WEBVTT - Adele Cabot 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.920 Okay. This is a quote from of all places, Brigham 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:09.160 Young University's magazine, in a piece by Brittany Carford Rogers 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:14.120 about some studies that were done on small groups with 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.439 mixed gender and how many women needed to be in 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.599 a group before women spoke up as frequently as men. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.240 Here's the quote, what happens when women are outnumbered? After 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.639 years spent analyzing lab and real life settings to determine 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.639 what it takes for a woman to really be heard, 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.760 to truly be perceived as competent and influential, these professors 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.480 have found the same truth for women. Having a seat 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.640 at the table does not mean having a voice. Quote. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.559 Women are systematically seen as less authoritative, says priests, And 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.040 their influence is systematically lower, and they're speaking less. And 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.720 when they're speaking up, they're not being listened to as much, 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.040 and they're being interrupted more. End quote. That article, by 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.440 the way, ends with this beautiful quote. The goal is 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.080 to create a space where women can be seen as 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:12.720 influential as their authentic selves. Welcome to the podcast. That's 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.160 all about the voice, which means it's all about power. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.360 Who has it, how we get it, how we sound 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.480 when we have it. I'm your host, Samarve, and this 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.040 is permission to speak where we can throw all our 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.399 best ideas about how to get ourselves heard into the 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:41.279 pot and start. This week's guest is a Dell Cabit. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.920 She is a beloved voice coach in l A who 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.080 has worked for twenty years with actors, with non actors, 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.320 with anyone who wants to figure out how to release 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:55.640 the voice within the one that you know I've gotten 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.880 beat it out of you with like they're too loud, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.880 you're too soft, you're too anything's, which is something that 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.280 we talk about in our conversation. I wanted to have 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.040 Adele on because she is someone that I actually turned 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.560 to as an advisor in this realm. I have sent 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.760 people to her. She's trained in the link later method, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.160 which you'll hear more about what that actually means. UM 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.560 in our conversation, she's such a deep and really loving 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.160 and generous understanding of the connection between the voice that 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:28.079 comes out of us and the body that is often 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:32.160 getting in its way and why. And we go really 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.440 deep here about the layers of socialist ship and we 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.839 also come out the other side. UM. It's quite optimistic 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.320 and Adele's got just such beautiful insights about what it 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.880 means to find your voice, to really let yourself out. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.240 I can't wait for you to hear it. This is 0:02:48.480 --> 0:03:00.200 Adele and here we are in our respective home studios, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.639 with our respective tea and water. Why good voice people? 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.120 So hi, Adele, welcome, Thank you for doing, Thank you 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:13.160 for having me. You are a well known voice coach 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.520 in l A and you work with not just actors 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.160 but also non actors. So I'm wondering just to start off, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.280 if you could tell me. You know, obviously we're in 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.200 this bizarre time when nobody's really working in person with anybody. 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.800 But but prior in the in the before times, as 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.640 they say, who of the non actors who tended to 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:37.400 come to you? And why? Ah? Okay, good question. I 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.760 mean I always say that I work with anybody who 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.400 has a voice, so that's most people. Um, but people 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:48.720 come to me mostly uh when they perceived that something 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.120 is wrong with their voice so called wrong, or if 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.360 they're experiencing some kind of vocal pain or issue that 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.080 they're confused about they don't know what to do, or 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.360 you know, a lot of people get feedback at work saying, um, 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.680 you know your voice, you gotta work on your voice. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.200 Your voice is either too sounds too young, you sound 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.880 like a little girl or a little or you don't 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.080 sound like a man. I mean, people say things to 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:18.000 people about their voice that is that is really rude. Yeah, 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.839 it comes up. It comes up a lot, you know, 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.240 on this podcast because obviously those little those little comments, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.640 especially you know when the stakes are high, whether it's 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.360 in work or when you were young and you're just 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.279 figuring out who you were. They stay with us, Yeah, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.440 they really do. That's the main reason why people come 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.720 to see me is because of things that they were 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.920 told as children or at any time really um about 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.760 their voice or about themselves, or if they have somehow 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.080 gotten the idea that it that it was it was 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.920 more advantageous to them to to learn to shut up. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.360 They actually the body which is designed to survive. If 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.479 you're in a situation at any point in your life, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.520 when you are you know you're threatened, or your body 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.240 figures out I gotta you have to be quiet or 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.159 you could be in danger. You know, then the muscular 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.520 ture of the body will actually go through that and 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.039 might cut off your breathing or your throat muscles might tighten, 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.120 or your tongue or your jaw or anything can happen, 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.840 and then that can have an effect on a person's 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.160 voice for the rest of their life. And it's really 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.520 crazy because nobody really knows this. This isn't common knowledge. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.120 It's not something we learned in high school or even 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.280 college unless you go to your theater department and take 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.920 a voice class or something. Although I have done a 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.320 little bit of voice work in MBA schools, they do 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.400 have voice work. Now they're they're starting to realize that 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:46.440 there's like, you know, I'm on mind body voice connection exactly. Yeah, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.040 you know. I even had a one of the partners 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.200 in a law firm call me and say that she 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.760 wanted to send me one of their associates who was 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.680 up for partner, but they didn't feel like they could 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.760 give her partner because of the way her voice sounded, 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:06.200 and that she sounded like a valley girl, is what 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.240 the woman said. And she did a lot of up speak, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.160 and she was glottalized, so she talked in the back 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.440 of her throat, and so she told me that they 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.640 weren't going to give her partner, and she really wanted 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.520 to give her partner because she was a genius lawyer, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.200 but she just on the phone. They just thought they 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.560 were talking to a teenager, and so they sent her 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.599 to me, and she did not want to be there. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.800 She she you know, it was not her choice. And 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.159 it's a very personal thing to to work on your voice. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.200 And if you I mean, it can be it also 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:40.719 doesn't have well and also just the whole idea of 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.720 buy in, and you know, somebody has to want to 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.600 absolutely because what we're talking about, I mean, there's so 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.039 much in what you just said that I want to 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.080 like slowly unpack. But but you know, one of one 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.760 of the things is, of course we're talking about UM 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.440 helping people change how they sound, but also sort of 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.000 reveal how they might have sounded if if the world 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.599 been giving them, you know, conditioning cues their whole life. 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.760 And that can sound a lot like we want you 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.280 to change. Don't be yourself, Yeah exactly, it don't be 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.200 yourself exactly, which is like that's an impossible thing to 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.720 try to reconcile. So what so what happened with her? 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.880 With you and her? She only came a couple of 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:22.080 times and was really resistant, and UM I tried to 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.480 work with her really gently, and I tried to, you know, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.640 just give her basic things and help her to experience 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.960 in in more of a fun way, because voicework can 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.880 be really fun. Also, how she could breathe and how 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.119 she could move sound through her body in a way 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.840 that felt more authentic to her. And I tried to 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.240 talk to her about, you know, the fact that her voice. Uh. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.520 I didn't want to just come out and say her 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.160 voice could be more expressive, but it can be more expressive. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.280 I mean that is one of the things that happens 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.720 with a lot of learned vocal patterns, is that it's 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:05.640 just expressing a cultural norm and not really the authenticity 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.280 of the person. And it's a great question, because that's 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.800 exactly what a lot of my work is, is trying 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.760 to release those things, those that are basically physical tensions, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.080 and sometimes there is a psychological aspect as well. Of course, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.680 although I don't do therapy us. This isn't therapy, but 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.640 it can be therapeutic for sure, but you know, to 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:30.080 sort of undo the world's effects on us. So yeah, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.040 I mean, this is yeah, And and this is really 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.280 at the heart of the point of this podcast, because 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.679 this is the stuff that affects absolutely every one of us, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.920 and we don't you know, often know it. As you say, 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.440 it's not something that's in the common parlance until we 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.040 have a vocal issue, you know, we're losing our voice 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.920 or we get this kind of feedback that's literally getting 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.360 in the way of that woman getting the power she deserves. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.840 I did a mail bag episode recently where somebody wrote 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.160 in about always being told that her voice was soft, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.360 and somebody else wrote in about being called too loud, 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.640 And it makes me think about these personas that either 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.720 get thrown on us or that we you know, that 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.679 we're actually sort of deliberately projecting. But I wonder if 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.120 you think about when you when you meet with somebody 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.760 to talk about their voice, like, ah, I you're this 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.680 sort of type. There's been a lot of study done 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:22.960 on on why some women, especially around puberty, start to 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.640 lose their voices and become really soft and have a 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:32.640 difficult time expressing themselves to anyone, including the boys. You know, um, 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.360 if that's their inclination and versus you know, the women 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.440 who are go the girls at twelve or so who 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.800 go really loud, and a word like brassy is a 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:48.320 word that these poor women are used to hearing about 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.360 themselves and that's a that's a huge way to assault 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.200 a woman's power is to you know, they would never 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.840 you know, maybe they would say your hair looks terrible. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.280 But you know this is way deeper than your hair 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.400 looks terrible. You know, this is your voices. You you are, 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.720 your voice, your as you said a moment ago. Your 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.080 voice reveals who you are. It can reveal your thought, 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:16.720 your feeling, your your intentions, your passion, you know, and 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.920 if you're being ridiculed for something that some person feels 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.360 is not the way you should be as a woman, 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.320 either at work or in an audition or in any case, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.280 then you know, that's that's something that I think really 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.800 voice work can help with. So really, actually it sounds 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.480 like there's and this this absolutely rings true with my 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.439 experience as well. There are, of course a billion nuances, 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.640 but it seems like there are these two main categories 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.719 of what happens to us. And it's either that we 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.920 adhere to the messages that we're getting and we become 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.440 softer and we quote unquote no our place, and that 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.200 has repercussions our whole life. But you know, is about 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.240 playing by the rules. And then the other extreme is 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.640 pushing through that to something that feels maybe even louder 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.280 than is necessary, but is on purpose in order to 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.559 to be sort of a rebellious spirit, and that can 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:12.520 also have negative repercussions. Yeah, and then here we all are, 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.679 you know, decades later, still reconciling the thing that you know, 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:23.000 we gravitated towards one of those those two sort of extremes. Yes, exactly. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.320 That can happen on any on any level, and it 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.840 can and it can be other things besides loud and 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.720 soft too. You know, it happens to everybody, what I 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.520 think it happens to everybody to varying degrees of seriousness. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.960 Just high school in itself is it's traumatic. Um as 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.880 is probably not going to high school right now, which 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.120 is also totally weird. Um tell me more when you 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.280 say other things besides soft and loud, so where that's 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:55.640 volume obviously, and then what else you know, monotone is 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.319 is another thing Your body when it tries to survive, 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.920 will create tensions. So it could be that, you know, 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.280 the back of your throat gets very tight, or your 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:10.040 breath stops. Breath stops a lot for a lot of people. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.240 It's not. It's really common in our world. It has 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.840 a lot to do just on a basic level with 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.199 we think that we're supposed to suck in our stomachs 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.800 in order to be beautiful. Yeah, this was on my 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.680 list of things to talk to you about. It feels 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:30.880 really really universal. Yeah, it is so universal. And people 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.320 feel that if they relax their stomach muscles they look fat. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.760 And women who have to wear you know, five inch 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:41.120 heels or whatever they wear, um, it cuts off the 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.920 breath in the back. It is so high that your 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.600 lower back gets compressed and it completely affects your your breathing. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:53.320 But as corporate women, they feel they absolutely have to 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.560 wear really tall heels. I mean we're sort of like 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.199 we're compensating, right, Like we get power from our heels, 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.280 we lose power from our breath, right, right, That's a 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.640 great way of saying it. Yeah, And that is sort 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.640 of like the gamble that you know a lot of people. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.000 I feel like it's a good one. You know, it's 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.560 a good gamble to take because the heels, you know, 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.560 make an instant impression and the breath we just sort 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.360 of expect and people will have thin voices we're not 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.319 we're not all actors here, you know, Like I mean, 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.199 you know, there's sort of there's sort of agreed upon 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:25.880 sense that that, of course we're not going to be 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.280 fully expressive with our voices. This is corporate America after all, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.719 it really is. And there's so much at risk for 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.920 people in the corporate world that, you know, any wrong 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.920 move could get them fired. At least they they sense that. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.000 And there's a certain way you're supposed to be. You know, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.840 you have to be outgoing, you know, for one thing. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.360 There is actually a way of behavior that you have 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.880 to adhere to. But when I work with people and 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.439 we can kind of we can find a larger parameter 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.000 for them to work in. I think that my goal 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.679 is always to help them free their voice, to find 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.040 their natural voice so they're not stuck in that parameter. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.079 And it works. I have seen results with that. People 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.280 have seen results where they find a different way of 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.480 being in their body. It's actually has to do with 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.880 how you're in your body, how you're breathing, and how 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.240 you're using your voice can create a deeper sense of 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:24.440 relaxation and a more connection to your actual voice so 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.680 that people hear it better. A deeper connection to thought. Also, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.200 the way your body works, you have when you have 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.400 a thought, you actually have a breath at the same time. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.080 That's naturally what happens, and that's one of those things 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.520 that can get disconnected and make it more difficult for 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.040 you to express thoughts while you're speaking or for us 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.440 to are you talking about when you say the thought 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.080 to the breath, Does that also happen when we're alone 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.640 and just thinking thoughts or do you mean in the 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.560 in the process of communicating. No, that's in uh, that's 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.200 I would say that's all the time, but definitely in 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.320 the process of community. I don't think it's something you 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.600 can turn on and off. It works sometimes. It's that's 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.440 how the body works. That's so beautiful. I mean, partly 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.800 it makes me think obviously sort of a gasp, like 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.120 the actual concept of I have an idea and that 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.520 makes us take an inhalation of of of wow. Yeah. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.360 And partly it makes me think of something that I 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.200 have absolutely you know, reminded or taught I guess clients, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.880 because it's not something that um people are born knowing, 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.920 which is this idea that in an ideal world we 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.280 have a thought. It connects to just the right amount 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.840 of breath for the actual thought. Again, when we're in 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.360 alignment and when our body and our mind are working together, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.840 and then it comes out of our mouth and lands, 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.040 you know, beautifully easefully on the person we're talking to. 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.600 And of course the problem is that as soon as 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.200 the stakes are high, as soon as the relationship we 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.320 have with the other person is fraught, as soon as 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.320 the thought we have, we don't trust, our throat starts 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.200 to get in the way at aspects of our body. Mean, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.040 I'd love you to talk about what besides our throat, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.160 or more about the throat, but you know, the parts 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:00.760 of our body that block that really beautifully simple mind 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.040 to breath to out the mouth, you know process. Yeah, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.760 and I agree. And the only thing I would add 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.560 to that is when it comes out, it finds the 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.280 perfect pitch in your voice to describe that for you, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.880 for the person speaking, which actually takes us back to 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.960 the monotone you were starting to talk about, because monotone, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.880 you know, for people who aren't necessarily thinking this way 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.280 about it. What we had been originally talking about was volume, right, 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:30.040 soft versus loud is just generally on quiet too loud spectrum, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.040 and then the other major one. I mean, we can 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:33.720 we can also talk about tempo and tone. But the 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.840 other major one that us voice people think about is pitch. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.320 And we can talk a lot and has it come 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.440 up a lot in other interviews about pitching our voice 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.720 too high, pitching our voices too low. But the thing 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.960 we don't always talk about here and that you're bringing 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.320 up is that it's one thing to talk about too high, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.720 it's nothing to talk about too low. There's this other thing, 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.040 which is monotone, which is about not actually going up 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.880 or down much at all. Yeah, and that is something 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:04.920 that people can fall into for again some reason, uh, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.920 some event that happened earlier, as a way to hide emotion. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:14.199 I grew up in UM, the state of Massachusetts, UM, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.399 and now I live in California. But in Massachusetts there is, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.840 in my opinion, there's a there's a lot of monotonism. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.520 There's a lot people speak in monotone a lot, and 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.040 it's it's often when they are trying to not express 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.280 their feeling. And what can happen at that point is 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.000 that everything sort of clamps down to like a trap 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.000 door to not let the feeling out. That's that's a 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.080 big thing. And then that tension. It takes a lot 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.479 of effort to clamp down on all those muscles you're 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.480 speaking muscles, so tongue, soft, palate, breath, sees is. It 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.240 takes a lot of effort to shift yourself from a free, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:56.600 natural voice into a tight, non expressive, monotone voice. And 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.160 that's something that can be completely freed up with voice work. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.000 That is something that happens naturally through the voice work. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.960 It's so interesting, and especially now when I feel like, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.520 you know, everybody's stress levels are higher than ever, that 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:15.560 effort you're talking about can feel good. I mean, I'm 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.920 using the word good obviously with quotes around. It can 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.479 feel like we're doing something to our stress. Like the 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:27.119 opposite is feeling our feelings. Yes, the opposite is feeling 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.320 our feelings and speaking what we really want to say. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.080 And I think that obviously you can't always do that, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.040 but I think that people can do it a lot 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.040 more than they're doing it. And I think you can 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.439 do it in the privacy of your room if you 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:46.320 cannot do it in in some other situation. Yeah, we're 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.960 going to talk about some specific exercises for people to 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:50.840 for now, we're going to take a quick break though, 0:18:51.040 --> 0:19:03.280 thank you, we're bad, and we're talking about um sort 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.800 of practical things that we can do. I mean, so 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.600 much of what we were talking about before the break 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.800 were these, um, the massive stuff that in a way 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.239 is sort of helpful most of all to make all 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.600 of us feel like we're not weirdos, you know, like 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.720 this is just happening to everybody, and now we can 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:23.240 talk about it, and now we can talk about the 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.680 fact that it's not just a mindset shift, and it's 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.159 probably not just about breathing, you know, it's a combination 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.800 of the two. It's thinking about the fact that we 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.399 are a full system. What should we be thinking about 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.800 when when we have to speak yes, yeah, and um. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.600 You know, there are lots of different parts of working 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:47.359 on your voice. There's definitely the part of of relaxation 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:52.440 and breath and physical awareness, which are really important, and 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:57.240 then sound and um and working in the muscles of 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.840 the of what I call the channel, which is the jaw, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.000 the tongue, the soft palate, so that those muscles can relax. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.000 I like the the image of the channel, right, it 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.800 feels like, is on purpose, so that it feels open. Yes, yes, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.720 so that it's an open channel for sound that comes 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.200 actually the images that it moves through your whole body. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:18.480 Because sound moves through the bones of your body. Bone 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.320 is the perfect conductor for for vibration. Just like when 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.199 you have a loud roommate or neighbor at college and 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.760 you hear the vibrations of their music coming through the 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.840 the the wall or something. You know, Vibration travels through 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.000 the bones of your body, and the more tension you 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.000 have in your body, the less that happens, and so 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.399 more less resonance you're going to have in your voice. 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.719 So there are easy things to do um you know, 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.560 like just shaking, shaking your legs, shaking your legs and 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.720 shaking breath or its sound down your leg as you 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.199 shake it. Shaking is a great thing to do for 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.440 your voice. You can shake your whole body, shake your spine, 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:59.480 shake your butt, shake your neck, check your shoulders, everything, 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.480 and as you do that, just kind of have fun 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.000 with it and breathe and send sound through your body. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.120 That's a really great thing to do. Yawning is actually 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.800 a great voice exercise, and it's really easy to do 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.000 because it does actually stretch open the muscles in the 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.000 back of your throat. So just whenever you have to yawn, 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.480 just really focus on that. It's a stretch and you 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.920 shouldn't um, you know, try to suppress it, but actually 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.920 let it be big and yummy and make sound, do 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:30.760 the big, ugly American yawn sound and the whole thing, 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.959 and that really helps. And then even just doing some humming, 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.920 you know, just hum, feel the vibrations of your voice 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.960 on your lips so that it comes out of the 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.919 back of your throat and onto your lips. Humming, just 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.159 hum through a song that you like or something. Do 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.359 you talk to people about mask residents and chess resonents? 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:53.280 I totally do. That's uh. I don't call it mask because, um, 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.040 just the I think language is really important and um 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.480 and we're trying actually to unmask the voice and anyways, 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:06.480 so I knew. I never call it a mask, um, 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.120 but I know what you mean, and it is. There 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.720 is the resonating ladder basically, which is the third section 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.000 of this voice work, this link Later voice work that 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.680 I do. Yeah, for anybody listening. Kristin link Later is 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.960 a real um hero of a lot of you know 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.520 us voice people, and she has designated link Later teachers, 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.879