WEBVTT - Short Stuff: 8 Track Cartridges

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just us, neither Jerry nor Davis here, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>short Stuff, the bereft edition.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to thank NPR, capture dot Com, a website

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<v Speaker 3>called ps Audio, a website called ever Present, and more

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<v Speaker 3>for the research that went into the eight track cassette

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<v Speaker 3>player or eight track cartridge itself. April eleventh is National

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<v Speaker 3>eight Track Tape Day, so we've missed that. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know what an eight track is, it preceded

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<v Speaker 3>the cassette tape and we're gonna get into what this

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<v Speaker 3>thing was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you usually wedged in between LP record albums and

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<v Speaker 1>cassettes because that's basically where it really popped up in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies is kind of where you really associate eight tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was way older than that, apparently, as far

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<v Speaker 1>back as the forties it was essentially coming into development.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, which surprised me. You might be wondering, like,

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<v Speaker 3>why did we need eight tracks at all? And it's

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<v Speaker 3>because at the time, dear listener, especially younger dear listener,

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<v Speaker 3>if you wanted to play the music that you wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to hear, you could play it on your record player

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<v Speaker 3>in your house. You didn't have a record player in

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<v Speaker 3>your car, you had a radio that played whatever the

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<v Speaker 3>heck they wanted. So all of a sudden, eight tracks

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<v Speaker 3>came along as a mobile version away to take the

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<v Speaker 3>music that you wanted on the road, either via your

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<v Speaker 3>car or via these awesome portable players, of which we had.

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<v Speaker 3>One of it was a Lloyd's. We had a deck

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<v Speaker 3>in our conversion van, of course, but we had just

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<v Speaker 3>look up the white Lloyd's eight portable player and that

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<v Speaker 3>was the very one. I found it online and I

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<v Speaker 3>might even get one on eBay. It brought back so

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<v Speaker 3>many nostalgic memories.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, maning you totally should of One of my

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<v Speaker 1>friends in high school, Mitch, not dirty Mitch with skabies,

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<v Speaker 1>but the right different Mitch.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>His grandma had a huge white Lincoln Continental with an

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<v Speaker 1>eight track deck in it, and we got our hands

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<v Speaker 1>on a Saturday Night Fever soundtrack on eight track and

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<v Speaker 1>we just cruise around listen into that in that car.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Boss, skipping forward two songs at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ish. Yeah, yes, yeah, that's something I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. But just when a little background on the

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<v Speaker 1>how this worked. It was built on ancient technology from

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<v Speaker 1>the twenties and thirties, which was magnetic film, which became

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<v Speaker 1>real the real film, and essentially is that is tape

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<v Speaker 1>that has magnetized metal particles on it, and when sound

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<v Speaker 1>is converted into an electrical impulse, the tape writer translates

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<v Speaker 1>that into well, it's an electromagnet. It translates it into

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<v Speaker 1>a magnetic pulse that arranges these pieces of magnetic metal

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<v Speaker 1>into ones and zeros, and then the whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>done backwards on the on the other end when you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to it. This is the basis of not just

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<v Speaker 1>cassette tapes, but since eight tracks came first, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what they were built on over time. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>a few inventions that kind of were stepping stones that

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<v Speaker 1>led to the eight track.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the Germans were using it in World

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<v Speaker 3>War Two. The Allies got a hold of it, and

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<v Speaker 3>eventually it got to the music industry and they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we got a thing now that we can play this

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<v Speaker 3>stuff on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>We think in a continuous loop.

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<v Speaker 3>And the very first person to achieve the version that

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<v Speaker 3>could go to market was a guy named William Powell Lear,

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<v Speaker 3>the creator of the lear Jet.

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<v Speaker 2>Previous to this, there.

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<v Speaker 3>Were some sort of housing and internal guts things that

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<v Speaker 3>were worked out by various people. A guy named George

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<v Speaker 3>Eish in nineteen fifty three came up with the nab

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<v Speaker 3>cartridge or the fiddle fidilipak cartridge. It's also called a

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<v Speaker 3>cart if you ever heard of like on w CARI

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<v Speaker 3>Cincinnati or old radio stations, they had carts, music carts,

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<v Speaker 3>That's what that was. These were built for radio stations.

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<v Speaker 1>It was short for cartridge slang. I guess you'd call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was followed up by the Month's Stereo Pack

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<v Speaker 1>and it was created by Earl Madman Months, and he

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<v Speaker 1>directly influenced the development of the eight track because William

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<v Speaker 1>Powell Lero is riding around in Madman Months's car when

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<v Speaker 1>he was playing one of the Stereo pack cartridges for him.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing that really kind of separated Months from

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else, he's the first one to go directly to

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<v Speaker 1>the record companies and say like, hey, let me license

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<v Speaker 1>your music and put them on this new format and

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<v Speaker 1>let's start getting it out there. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>William Powell Leer was like, this is a great idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to build on this and create a longer

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<v Speaker 1>playing version of it, and I'm going to call it

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<v Speaker 1>the eight track.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then vinta Jet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I should point out too quickly, and this can't be

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<v Speaker 3>a coincidence, but Earl Madman months was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Creator of that cart.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're a Coen Brothers fan and a fan of

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<v Speaker 3>the movie Barton Fink, you will know that John Goodman's

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<v Speaker 3>character name is Carl Madman munt oh really, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>no way that's a coincidence. No, I don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>correlation or if it was just they got they thought

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<v Speaker 3>it sounded cool or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows what a strange homage if it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Though, agreed, Should we take a break, Yes, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll be right back with more on the bygone era

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<v Speaker 3>of the A track right.

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<v Speaker 2>After this.

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<v Speaker 1>And things job Job. So all of this was being

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<v Speaker 1>developed in the fifties, I think as early as the

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<v Speaker 1>forties technically, but the A Trek really came into its

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<v Speaker 1>own in the mid sixties. And the reason why is

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<v Speaker 1>because the Ford Motor Company said, Hey, everybody, have you

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<v Speaker 1>heard of these eight tracks? Well, we're going to start

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<v Speaker 1>putting eight track players in our nineteen sixty six model

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<v Speaker 1>cars as a high end option, and as more and

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<v Speaker 1>more cars started featuring eight track players, eight track cartridges

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<v Speaker 1>just became dominant as the form of how you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to music outside of your home in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>you controlled, unlike radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, they were pretty cheap. There were two

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<v Speaker 2>to three bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>The most expensive on record was The Beatles' Greatest Hits,

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<v Speaker 3>released in nineteen seventy. That was almost five bucks, four

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<v Speaker 3>dollars and ninety seven cents, which would be nice price, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the nice price. That'd be more than forty dollars today.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was you know, that was an expensive eight

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<v Speaker 3>track for sure. It hit its popularity in the mid seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess we should talk a little bit about how.

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<v Speaker 2>These things played.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you've got the magnetic tape that you described

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<v Speaker 3>inside on a single, and there was a little motor

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<v Speaker 3>that pulled the tape across the audio head to make

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<v Speaker 3>it make the sound. But you're probably if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what these are, you're probably like, what is the

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<v Speaker 3>eight tracks?

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<v Speaker 2>What does that even mean? Each tape had eight tracks and.

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<v Speaker 3>A sensing strip that told a solooid coil like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>a program is over, which was you know, roughly two

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<v Speaker 3>songs and now it's time to switch over to the

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<v Speaker 3>next track.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I said you could skip ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Two songs at a time, if you hit the button,

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<v Speaker 3>it would it would pop forward the two songs roughly.

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<v Speaker 1>So weirdly, I want to say just one thing because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want us to get emails. I saw it

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<v Speaker 1>in one place that it actually had four tracks, but

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<v Speaker 1>there were two of each of the four tracks, so

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<v Speaker 1>they were in stereo. So two times four was eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I only saw that in one place. Everywhere else kind

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<v Speaker 1>of described it as eight different tracks like you just did.

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<v Speaker 2>But that idea out there, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so this, this whole thing what differentiates it

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<v Speaker 1>from cassette is that it was it played continuously. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an endless loop, right, So I guess if you

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<v Speaker 1>pressed play, it would play the whole album over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again until you press stop. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And the point is you didn't have to flip it.

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<v Speaker 3>The downside of that as you couldn't rewind it or

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<v Speaker 3>fast forward it except for skipping two songs ahead. But

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<v Speaker 3>you couldn't go back two songs as far as I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Okay, so that was kind of one of the downsides.

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<v Speaker 1>Another big downside is that these tracks were not like

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<v Speaker 1>they just took an album and they cut it up

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<v Speaker 1>into four equal amounts of time or eight equal amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of time, I should say, right, So if one track

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<v Speaker 1>could fit one in three quarters of a song, that

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<v Speaker 1>three quarters of a song would fade out, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be a click, and then when the next track started,

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<v Speaker 1>it would fade back in. And people hated that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course they did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very clunky, understandably so, but that level of clunkiness

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of gets across the just the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>attention to detail that was given to eight tracks. They

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<v Speaker 1>as far as technology goes, they were perfectly encompassed by

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<v Speaker 1>what they looked like, clunky, giant plastic key and just clunky.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah. I mean it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>They deserved to be popular for a while because it

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<v Speaker 3>was such a revolution and to be able to listen

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<v Speaker 3>to what you wanted to outside of your home. But

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<v Speaker 3>the other limitations, you know, not rewinding stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently the internal components would fail a lot of times.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the cassette itself was very sturdy and long, lasting,

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<v Speaker 3>but the little motor and stuff that would fail your

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<v Speaker 3>car was famous for eating the tapes. They had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of downsides, but that didn't outweigh up the initial

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<v Speaker 3>upside of being able to take your music on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>No, for sure. I mean that was a big deal. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I never was like this eight track sucks when we

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<v Speaker 1>were listening to Seren night Fever. So I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have been that bad. But I think for people

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<v Speaker 1>who are like really into music, it was probably very annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the irony is is that the cassette tape was

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<v Speaker 3>introduced in nineteen sixty five kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Either just kind of squarely in the middle of.

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<v Speaker 3>Or just before eight tracks were at their zenith of popularity.

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<v Speaker 3>But they weren't marketed, like bands weren't releasing music on cassettes.

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<v Speaker 2>At first.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just like, hey, here's a cassette, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can record yourself at home and interview your parents about

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<v Speaker 3>what life was like in World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do your own story core at home. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So people were like, I can start taping songs off

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<v Speaker 1>the radio with these things, and essentially it just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of avalanche from there. Cassettes took over because you could

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<v Speaker 1>fast forward, you could rewind, and even though you had

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<v Speaker 1>to flip the cassette the worst thing that you could

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<v Speaker 1>possibly have to do in the world. They were way

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper than eight tracks too, just to produce and to purchase,

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<v Speaker 1>so cassettes pretty quickly took over. And interestingly, this is

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<v Speaker 1>also happening at the same time with video VHS tapes

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<v Speaker 1>were overtaking Beta max and laser disc at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time too.

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<v Speaker 2>What were you about to say, the worst thing you

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<v Speaker 2>would have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do that was an addendum to having to flip a

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<v Speaker 1>cassette tape.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, I thought you were going to say, if

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<v Speaker 3>the tape unspooled some you would have to put a

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<v Speaker 3>pencil or use your pinky finger to rewind the tape

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<v Speaker 3>and draw that magnetic tape back into the cassette.

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<v Speaker 1>I always had to use a pinky because I never

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<v Speaker 1>had a pencil, because I wasn't a nerd.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had one in my front pocket, my breast pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>So that what else you got? Anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, just a couple of tidbits. It was a museum

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<v Speaker 2>for a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>There was an enthusiast named Bucks Burnett in Dallas Texas

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<v Speaker 3>that had a museum because he collected him, and it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like it was open for a handful of years.

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<v Speaker 3>The largest collector now is a guy named Gary Hetzman

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<v Speaker 3>who apparently has close to one hundred thousand tapes. He

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<v Speaker 3>may have more than that, because that was twenty nineteen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and the most there's actually a very valuable one Frank Sinatra,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's called Sinatra Joe Beam, Frank Sinatra and Antonio

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<v Speaker 3>Carlos Jobim, which I bet is a great record, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because they did a limited pressing. Of course, it's scarcity

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<v Speaker 3>that makes something valuable, and they only did thirty five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred copies of that one. And if you have one

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<v Speaker 3>of those, you can get a few grand for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently, why not, what are you gonna do? You're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do anything to look at it, you might as

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<v Speaker 1>well sell it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, get one of those Lloyd's players and put that

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<v Speaker 3>strap over your shoulder and go go down the street

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<v Speaker 3>rocking it.

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<v Speaker 1>I found another player too that I would actually like.

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<v Speaker 1>It was made by Panasonic. It was called the Dynamite

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<v Speaker 1>Plunger Portable a track player, and the reason why is

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<v Speaker 1>because it had like a like the handle was like

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<v Speaker 1>on a rod coming off of it, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>had like a well the thing that you gripped, and

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like kind of a dynamite plunger is heat

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<v Speaker 1>came in yellow and all sorts of great colors.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking it up because I got to see what

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, there was one for sale.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, those are brad Man. Those are awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>If I got into eight tracks, I would definitely buy

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<v Speaker 1>one of those. But I'm not into eight tracks, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, there's no reason to Like, people are

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<v Speaker 3>into vinyl still because of fidelity is so great. There's

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<v Speaker 3>really no reason to buy eight tracks now unless you

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<v Speaker 3>just want a little walk down memory lane of a

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a creadier version of everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, right, well, I guess since we started walking

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<v Speaker 1>out memory Lane, we just walked away from the short stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess that means it's out. Stuff you should

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