1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Hey, we got Katie Wu from Cardinal Territory and of 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: course the athletic joining us right now. And Katie, great 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: to have you on for former Cardinal Great Lance Lynn 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: making his Foul Territory hosting debut. How are you and 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: you're ready for the tough questions from Lance instead of 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: doing it when you were asking him the tough questions? 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Lance that you thought you'd seen the last of me, right, Yeah. 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: So you know, Katie always had fun because she'd be 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: worried about giving me a chance to answer a question 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: with one answer. If you give me a yes or 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 3: no question, I was going to answer it yes or 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: no and move on. I was not going to help 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: you out at all. So she saw me do it 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: too quite a few people last year. We had some 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: fun with it. 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, you know, I was always in a way, 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: Lancey made me better because I had to be so 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: strategic about the way that I asked a question. 19 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 4: And I'll give you this, if a reporter asked you like. 20 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: A thought out, well researched question, you gave great answers. 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 4: But the second we slip up, you're on it. 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: And I did that a couple of times my colleagues 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: a couple of times, and I did not want to 24 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: be exposed on the postgame show. 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: Okay, my dad watches that show. He was going to 26 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 4: roast me. 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 2: Cardinals. Twitter is going to roast me, and you can't 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: let lanceln flame you on live TV. So let's try 29 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: to keep that a steady thing on the show. 30 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: Everybody knew what I was after. Give me a chance 31 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: to make you earn it, that's for sure. 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 5: What was training. 33 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Of course, he's just such a good teammate that he's 34 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 1: trying to even make the media better on a daily basis. 35 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: That all right, So let's get into biz here, Katie. 36 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: The Cardinals got swept over the weekend buyers sellers. Where 37 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: are we tilting the pendulum right now? 38 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? 39 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: So it's obviously not how you wanted to start the 40 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: second half. And John Mozelak has said even in early 41 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: July that he's prepared to go into the final week 42 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: or seventy two hours even before the trade deadline, before 43 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: he makes a decision on what the Cardinals will do. 44 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 2: I will say whether the Cardinals buy, sell or hold, 45 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: it won't be to any stream degree right now, as 46 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: they covered just two games over five hundred. They've had 47 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: a really just bad July. They've won just three out 48 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: of their fourteen games, to key players in Lars new 49 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: Bar Nolan Gorman on the injured list, and then their 50 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: starting rotation has an ERA over seven in July. So 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: just all around not good baseball for the Cardinals lately 52 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: comes at a time where they're going to have to 53 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: make a decision about their direction and they still aren't 54 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure where they're going to go. If 55 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: the Cardinals do sell, however, Sky, I don't think it's 56 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: going to be in a fire sale by any means. 57 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: I think you're looking at more of a soft selloff, 58 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: similar to what they did in twenty twenty three, where 59 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: they were offloading players on expiring contracts. Look, we knew 60 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: that this season was going to be a transition year, 61 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: and while I think the team did a really nice 62 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: job and maybe overperforming a lot of the expectations coming 63 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: into this season, right now you're kind of seeing some regression, 64 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: especially from the rotation, and what the Cardinals must figure 65 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: out is what's more important to them right now trying 66 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: to sneak in and maybe hopefully getting that final wildcard 67 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: spot in the second half or continuing on the path 68 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: that they declared at the start of the season, which 69 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: is looking at twenty twenty six and beyond. I'm prepared 70 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: for this, and I think the Cardinals are as well 71 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: to go again up until the final seventy two hours 72 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: before the deadline. 73 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 5: Kay. 74 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: Do you see with their youth they have the ability 75 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: to do both at the deadline because they've got a 76 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: good decent core of pitching and hitting. And then if 77 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 3: you can figure out maybe expiring contracts, how to add 78 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: to that so next it's for next year also, but 79 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: maybe something that can help them push down the stretch 80 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: and maybe sneak in that final World card spot. I 81 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: feel like there's a way they can kind of do 82 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: both here. 83 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, and I think that 84 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: just depends on if they can turn it around against 85 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: the Rockies here in Chorus Field and then they have 86 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: four games against the Padres app Bush Stadium. I think 87 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: those seven games will dictate if they can kind of 88 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: straddle the fence. And that's what they've been doing all 89 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: season long. Right, We've heard this all year. Can the 90 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: Cardinals balance runway and result at the same time? And 91 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: to their credit, in the first half they did for 92 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: the most part. A good example of this maybe straddling 93 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: that fence, would be the fact that the Cardinals are 94 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: continuing to shop Eric Fetti, and this is someone that 95 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: they're going to look to trade regardless if they buy 96 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: or sell, because it allows them to trade someone that's 97 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: going to be on an expiring contract. He'll be a 98 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: free agent in twenty twenty six. It opens the door 99 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: for Michael McGreevey, who will spot start today against the Rockies, 100 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: but maybe we'll give him some extended time, some consistent 101 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: time in the rotation because he hasn't had that. You 102 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: can also look to trade away some of your relievers 103 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: like Steven Matt's, Phil Mayton of course right and Helsley, 104 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: who I'm sure we'll get into. The Only problem with 105 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: that is if you're trying to compete in the second half. 106 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: Those are the three relievers that have made the most 107 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: impact in the late and means they've been absolutely instrumental 108 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: in locking down leads in the seventh, eighth, ninth. I 109 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: know Halsley has not had as dominant of a year 110 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: as he had last year, but still very much the 111 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: team's closer, and it doesn't look like the Cardinals really 112 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: have someone that they trust filling that role if they 113 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: get rid of Helsley. So there again, just kind of 114 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: tight type. What is it when you're on like a 115 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: balancing rope tight rope thing? 116 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: Yes, thank you. 117 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: That's where they are right now as they continue to 118 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: go into the deadline. And you know Mo has said 119 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: all season long he hoped he has difficult decisions to 120 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: make if the Cardinals flame out against the Rockies. I 121 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: think that decision will be a little easier. I think 122 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: they'll wan to the soft cell. But to your point, Lands, 123 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: they can absolutely do both. 124 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, one name you haven't said yet Nolan Arnado. I 125 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 6: mean no trade clause. Have you heard anything about certain 126 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 6: teams that he might go to or he might not 127 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 6: go to? 128 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 5: If that's the cave. 129 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: As far as I know, it doesn't seem like there's 130 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: been any change in the five teams that Nolan Arnaudo 131 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: would accept a trade to. And we know those teams 132 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 2: coming into the season, where the Yankees, the Red Sox, 133 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: the Dodgers, possibly the Astros. Even though he didn't and 134 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: I'm missing one, help me out, guys, what did I 135 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: already say Dodgers Padres? 136 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: There we go there's my fifth. 137 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't seem like there's. 138 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: All California, right. It doesn't seem like there's been any 139 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: change in that regard. And plus Nolan will be the 140 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: first to say his offensive performance has not really led 141 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: to maybe any kind of increased trade value like he 142 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: would have hoped. He's playing a gold standard third base again. 143 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: He looks just like he's twenty five years old at 144 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: the hot corner again. But when his offensive production has declined, 145 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: the slugging is down, the ops is down, he's not 146 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: hitting a ton of homers. So it also goes into 147 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 2: that contract, which was a big reason why the Cardinal 148 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: struggle to trade him over the off season in the 149 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: first place. Doesn't sound like there's a lot of traction 150 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: on the Arnatto front. I would imagine we revisit that 151 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: conversation in the off season. 152 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: Okay, and you started talking about him, so let's keep 153 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: it rolling. Ryan Healthley thoughts on if they do end 154 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: up selling, how much he could command and what kind 155 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: of season has it been for him compared to the 156 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: last couple. 157 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: It's been a perplexing season for Helsley because if you 158 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: look at the amount of times that you know has 159 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: hard hit rate. The fastball bela is exactly the same 160 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: as last year. It's still one of the best fastballs 161 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: in the game in terms of a velocity standpoint. 162 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: He's just getting hit really hard. 163 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: And it's been kind of a struggle for the Cardinals 164 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: pitching coach Dusty Blake and Ryan Helsley to figure out 165 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: what's changed. 166 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 4: I mean, that just kind of. 167 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: Speaks to the volatility of being a reliever, especially a closer. 168 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 4: Now. 169 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: Just because Ryan Helsley is not as dominant as he 170 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: was last year, doesn't mean his value has completely tanged. 171 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 4: We know this. Any contending team is. 172 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: Looking for high leverage, high octane relief pitching at the deadline. 173 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: Could Ryan Helsley still command a return for the Cardinals. Absolutely, 174 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: But if the Cardinals think that they can still contend 175 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: and still compete in the second half and again sneaking 176 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: to that wild card, they're not going to move him. 177 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: Now that brings in the question, well, what are they 178 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: going to do with him in the future. That's not 179 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: a John Mozaeillac decision. That's a hind bloom decision. 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Is 216 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: there one trade out there that all of a sudden 217 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: makes this team a perennial contender? All of a sudden, 218 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 2: You're thinking, Okay, the Cardinals can beat the Dodgers in 219 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: a five game set, can beat the Phillies in a 220 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: seven game set. 221 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: In my opinion, not really. 222 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: We don't know much about the market right now because 223 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: there are so many teams like the Cardinals. The bubble 224 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: teams if you will, that have not yet decided what 225 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: their direction is going to be at the deadline. But 226 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: I just look at this Cardinals team that is in 227 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: transition where they are trying to figure out a lot 228 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: about which guys can they build on their future, which 229 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: guys are they going to move on from where it 230 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: doesn't seem like there's someone that can go out there 231 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: and add and automatically make them a surefire contender. And 232 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: I don't think that John Mozelac and the Cardinals are 233 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: going to trade away from this future, from this core 234 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: that they've pledged on giving an entire season to figure out. 235 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: So that's why I caution, whether it's buying or selling, 236 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: I don't see the Cardinals really going big in either direction. 237 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: You're maybe looking at an incremental rental if they buy, 238 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: or a soft selloff if they sell. And again, guys, 239 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: this series against the Rockies will probably dictate what they do. 240 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: Well, Hey, if you're going to have a series that 241 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: decides your season, I would raise my hand for the Rockies, 242 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: even though they just played better against the Twins and 243 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: took two out of three. If you ask most players, 244 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: you pull them, Hey, who do you want with your 245 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: season on the line. I think you'll get a lot 246 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: of Rockies answers right now, but I'll backtrack for a 247 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: moment to get granular on what just happened. What went 248 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: wrong on their first series here after the All Star break. 249 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: Well, it's you're only as good as your rotation is, 250 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: as Lance knows, when you have a starting pitching staff 251 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: that gives up five six runs before the third innings 252 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: over and you have an offense that's not really clicking, 253 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: and that really puts you in a hole. I mean, 254 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: are Polante came out there, allowed six runs, five earned, 255 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: and the first three innians. Sunny Gray gave up nine runs, 256 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: eight earned in his outing on Saturday, and Miles Michaels 257 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: gave up five runs and four innians, And it. 258 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: Just felt like the Cardinals were competitively out of it before. 259 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: They even really got a chance to start the game. 260 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: And this rotation did a really nice job in the 261 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: first half of you know, they're pitch to contact staff. 262 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: We've talked about this about the Cardinals every year. Every 263 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: now and then, balls are going to go through guys. 264 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: Are you know you're not going to hit a guy 265 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: every single time? The Cardinals starters did a nice job 266 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: of weathering the storm and keeping the game or keeping 267 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: the team in contention. In every game in July, that 268 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: hasn't been the case. They have been hit really hard. 269 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: Whether you're looking at Miles Michaelis, whether you're looking at 270 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: Eric Betty STIDDI. Grays had some nice games, but as 271 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: of late it hasn't been as effective. Matthew Libertor has 272 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: already surpassed the amount of AN ANDC through last year. 273 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: That's why Michael McGreevy a spot starting today to try 274 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: to give him some sort of extended rest coming out 275 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: of the break. So it just kind of feels like 276 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: the perfect snowball of things not going right. That definitely 277 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: happened in Arizona. It's really hard to play a competitive 278 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: baseball game when your rotation isn't really giving you a 279 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: chance from the start, and that's what happened in all 280 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: three games. 281 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 5: All right. 282 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: Lastly, Katie, I hope you had a nice All Star break, 283 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: although I think the last game that you recovered, if 284 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: you happen to be there, went of halfway into the 285 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: All Star break. I remember I was at dinner on 286 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: what Sunday night and they had something going on. What 287 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: was it the celebrity game or something like that, and 288 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: the Cardinals game was still going. That was really kind 289 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: of a microcosm of some of the weather that you 290 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: dealt with in the first half of this season, didn't it. 291 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what the first half was, but I 292 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: hope to never experience something like that again. 293 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: I think we've set a record for Dovile Betters. 294 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: I left Bush Stadium at like ten thirty the night 295 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: before the All Star Break. I was I need to 296 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: apologize to my fellow media members. Who I was that 297 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: night was not a reflection of who I am as 298 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: an employee. 299 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: But we were very much over it. 300 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: Okay, we were over it, and then we rolled into 301 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: the All Star break and I don't know if you 302 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: guys can tell, I caught the flu. So just all 303 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: around vibes really not good. But you know what, We're 304 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: going to grind it out. We'll play a little hurt today. 305 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: It's all right. 306 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: My second half starts today because I didn't do the 307 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: Arizona series, and I'm hoping for just better all around, 308 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: more positive vibes, no rain ever again, and maybe the 309 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: Cardinals can figure it out to make things interesting over 310 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: the final two months. 311 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's all fair. And she just 312 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: had her flu game flue performance just now. 313 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: Today. 314 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 5: Oh my god, there you go. Hey. 315 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: If that doesn't impress Lance, I don't know what does. 316 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 5: Lance. 317 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm impressed. It didn't keep her down. She did 318 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 3: what she needed to do. So don't get any of 319 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: the guys sick though. 320 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Distance distance, Katie, You're the best. Thank you so much. 321 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: Feel better. We'll talk soon. 322 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: Thanks, so good to see you, guys. 323 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 5: Lance. 324 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: Okay, hot corner time. All right, let's get into a 325 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: little trade deadline discussion, shall we. We'll start with a 326 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: team that I think will be incredibly popular no matter 327 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: what they say. Michael Lias was on MLB Network Radio 328 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: the other day and said that he will not be 329 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: quote blowing up the team at the trade deadline. I mean, 330 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: no crap. They're not selling a way the core players. 331 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: We get that, but he said players on expiring contracts 332 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: are at the top of the list. He will be 333 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: passive about trading other players. This is Jacob calvin Meyer, 334 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: who covers the team every day great on FT. When 335 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: he's on with us, giving us a little summary of 336 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: what went down, he said, we U this is Elias 337 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: Now quote, we think we're going to be very good 338 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty six. I mean, I don't disagree 339 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: with anything he said there. Okay, not trading the core, 340 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: got it. Trading away guys that are going to be 341 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: free agents after this year, and maybe guys that are 342 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: gonna be free agents after twenty six. We'll see. And 343 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: then he thinks they're gonna be good. Yep, all makes sense. 344 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: In twenty six he thinks they're gonna be They blow. 345 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 6: It, man, They blow it a couple of years ago 346 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 6: with everybody they had prospects wise. We've talked about this. 347 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 6: I'm sick of talking about it. 348 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: But now what's the next step is they actually have 349 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that they can trade away right now. 350 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: I was on Baltimore Radio the other day and they 351 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: wanted to know how far it goes. Like some of 352 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: them on the hosts on the show were like, I 353 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: think they should trade Felix Bautista, and I'm like, yep, 354 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: Felix Bautista almost nothing right now. He's one of the 355 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: best relievers in the sport. He's the closer of a 356 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: team that you think is going to be good next year, 357 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: and he's under control. For at least two more years 358 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: after this year. As far as I know, Lance, why 359 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: would you trade him? It's not like you find those 360 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: guys on trees, and if you're getting him in the 361 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: in free agency, there's they're rarely available even in free agency, 362 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: and when they are, it costs a ton of money. 363 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: So I'm like, is there a prospect package that even 364 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: makes sense for him for me? 365 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 4: No? 366 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: No, no, definitely not, especially with your if you're competing 367 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: next year, you can't. 368 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 5: You can't. 369 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: You can't lose that from your bullpen. I think it 370 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: was pretty obvious. Hey, we're going to trade away with 371 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: expiring contracts. Yeah, you do that. You get some you know, 372 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: pitching depth, maybe some starter depth, and then you figure 373 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: out what you got to do next off season to 374 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: get some aces and to go with your young guys, 375 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: and then you hope for some you know health. To 376 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: be honest to you, I mean, they had they had 377 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: a weird year and then you know their their free 378 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: agent signings didn't work out. So regroup had the guys 379 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: that don't expiring contracts, get as much as you can 380 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: and then let that core go to work next year. 381 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: With the good off season, you're keeping Felix Bautista. 382 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 5: No, yeah, how is that even? Yeah? 383 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like anyone that's it's in Baltimore that's thinking 384 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: with that mindset is drinking too much of the prospect 385 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: five year plan cooler now, I mean not this year, 386 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: but your time is twenty six again. 387 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, could they be great? Yeah, but they I 388 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 6: don't know the way their trajectory. I don't understand how 389 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 6: they're not great. 390 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 5: It's just well, you know, their brass needs to figure 391 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 5: it out, man. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, they've had injuries. 392 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 5: That's a great call, bad winner. 393 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 6: But they've also had some injuries that are starters, which 394 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 6: sucks to as well. 395 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 5: So they didn't do anything well. 396 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: They did things, they just did the wrong wrong. 397 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 5: That's I don't know. They didn't do anything the good right. 398 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 5: They banked on the starters they had. 399 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 6: Scott Scott knows this. I told I said in b 400 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 6: and here they're not going to make the playoffs. I 401 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 6: said that they don't. They don't do anything right. From 402 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 6: the brass perspective, I'm not blaming the players. I'm blaming 403 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 6: the people up top. 404 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: Transactions they missed. Yeah, they've done a nice job drafting 405 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: and developing. But yeah, so basically from what he said, 406 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: it's the Cedric Mullins, Ryan O'Hearn Sir Anthony de Mingez, 407 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: gregorys Soto. These are all guys that I think are 408 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: free agents after this year. Those types of players make 409 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: sense for me. Ramon Loriano does have an option for 410 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: next year, but I would think you know you're catching 411 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: him when his stocks at the highest you want to 412 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: make a case on him. Okay, you can find someone 413 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: like that. I don't think you're finding a Felix Bautista 414 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: that easily. So to me, if you're doing that, you're 415 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: resetting the trajectory. I know it's one player, but that's 416 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: eliminating an inning for you throughout a season and in 417 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 1: the playoffs, because the other thing lance is that they 418 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: haven't won a playoff game during this run. So again, 419 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: if you're good next year, you better not get to 420 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: a point where you're looking for high leverage bullpen help 421 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: and you're blowing games late because you traded Felix Bautista. 422 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: They traded Brian Baker, who was more of a you know, 423 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: late bloomer. 424 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 3: Great story. 425 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: They were able to get them right right and then 426 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: move them to the Rays with multiple years of team control. 427 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: For me, I'm not even doing that. Like you know 428 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: how it is, like some teams are really good at 429 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: finding and developing bullpen guys and then for me, I 430 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: know that it's volatile, but like sometimes guys click in 431 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: the right place and they can be really valuable for 432 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: like a three to five year period like in their 433 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: prime for you. So I'm holding on to all of that. 434 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: If I'm a contender, I'm not trading that away. 435 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 5: No, I'm with you. 436 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: If you have team control beyond next year, you don't 437 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: get rid of them with what they have, and then 438 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: you figure out get as much as you can for 439 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: anybody who you don't see being there next year, it's 440 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: going to be a free agent, and then you got 441 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 3: to go all in next offseason. You got to go 442 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: get the arms. You kind of look at what Houston 443 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: did years ago when they went and got Cole Verland 444 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: or all that. It's time for them to go all 445 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: in and spa some money and make sure you lock 446 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: up that young core too, because those guys are starting 447 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: to trickle into where they're going to make some money 448 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 3: and if you don't have them locked in, then you're 449 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 3: you're doing all this for nothing and then you're looking 450 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: at a full, full retool again. So it's time for 451 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 3: them to go for sure. And I, like you said, 452 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: I think they missed the boat this offseason with that core. 453 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: They should have had a little different did a different 454 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 3: go out, especially with their starters. 455 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: Okay, let's do one more. We're focusing on bullpen for 456 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: this segment. Ken Rosenthal came out with his latest Notes column. 457 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: He has Fair Territory that's out right now. If you 458 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: want to consume that podcast, YouTube, whatever, obviously, just look 459 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: up Fair Territory. But also we'll talk to him about 460 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: this Notes column tomorrow. Here's one that I want to 461 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: dive into for a moment. The Athletics resolved to keep 462 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: Mason Miller could be subject to change, sources telling Ken 463 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: a year ago, Miller was untouchable. 464 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 5: To this point. 465 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: The a's matching this season is pretty much the same, 466 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: but according to sources telling Ken, the team's plans that 467 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: stance is subject to change the way they see it. 468 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: Only a few teams are bold in to propose an 469 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: author offer worthy of consideration. Philly's Dodgers Yankees figure to 470 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: be near the top of the suitors list. For the 471 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: flamethrowing reliever, while the Padres and Mariners can never be 472 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: counted out when top talent becomes available. To me, this 473 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: means we went from zero percent chance to like ten 474 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: to twenty percent chance. That still means that he went 475 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: from unavailable to available. You want to entice them. He's 476 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: now available. So this is not necessarily like their big closer. 477 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: They're going to build around. 478 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 5: How many years as they have left before everything. 479 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: Before free agency or yeah, before free agency, he probably 480 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: still has. 481 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: He going into our one after the shoot. 482 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: I want to say, yeah, I think he's still on 483 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: the league. Man, I'll get that free in one set. 484 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: Probably three or four years left until he's let's see 485 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: earliest free agent year twenty thirty and are of eligible 486 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: twenty six. 487 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 5: Yep, all right, perfect, go after. 488 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 6: If this is the case, whether it's ten, twelve, one, two, seventeen, 489 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 6: eighty five percent, I don't care. This is where a 490 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 6: team like the Orioles per Se give three prospects for 491 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 6: this big dog. 492 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 5: You know. No, I'm just saying because they got it. 493 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 6: If you have an opportunity to get a guy here 494 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 6: for four or five years through arbitration, this guy is 495 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 6: the most premier closer in baseball. He's filthy, I mean Yankees, 496 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 6: Philly's dog. Yeah, of course the big games are looking 497 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 6: throw an extra guy in there. I've always said this man, 498 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 6: I've always talked about this what's his name? For the 499 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 6: Red Sox, the lefty they got from the White Sox 500 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 6: pitch they were killing me, the Boston fans. I said, 501 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 6: give them five prospects, you know, and they almost did. 502 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 6: Actually I was almost fright, but at the same time 503 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 6: for right, Yeah, go ahead and go after a guy. 504 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 6: These young guys you have down there, their prospects for 505 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 6: a reason. Give them to a team who thinks they 506 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 6: can build them up and make them better. This is 507 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 6: an opportunity to get a freaking monster monster play if 508 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 6: it's the case. 509 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, although the A's should eventually keep some guys. 510 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you keep them when you're ready to go to Vegas, right, 511 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: I mean the question is when are they ever going 512 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: to make a push? And I don't see it in 513 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 3: his time? So why not get as many prospects as 514 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: you can when you look on the other way, right, 515 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 3: you try to get five prospects for him that you 516 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 3: can next thing, you know, three of those five hit 517 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: and then you've got a better ball club, but this 518 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 3: guy's prime or his cheap years, you're probably not going 519 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: to compete. So it's similar with what's going on with 520 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: Skiens in Pittsburgh. Man, you're just wasting away. And then 521 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: you know if you wait too long and you never compete, 522 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: then you might not get anything for him. So get 523 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: as much as you can and then you go from there.