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Speaker 2: I only get to see Danny Parkins because of our
Speaker 2: active schedules for about once a month for about an hour.
Speaker 2: So it's always fun for me. Danny course on breakfast Ball,
Speaker 2: big radio star in Chicago that we scooped up at
Speaker 2: FS one. So, and I want you to think about
Speaker 2: this for a second. There are things, especially in sports,
Speaker 2: that I noticed because we're both in this business, that
Speaker 2: you wonder why they haven't taken place sooner and then
Speaker 2: over the course of time, Like if you really think
Speaker 2: about analytics, why did it take so long for NBA
Speaker 2: gms to figure out math? It's like, this was like,
Speaker 2: it's what happened? Did a slide ruler fall into a
Speaker 2: GM's office and he had doodling one day with time?
Speaker 2: It's so, here's one of them. I believe exits the
Speaker 2: smartest pece I've met. Did not always go to great
Speaker 2: schools or have great childhoods. In fact, I would argue,
Speaker 2: if there's a certain jet fuel to chaos as a
Speaker 2: child that propels you to aspirational life, right and sure,
Speaker 2: at any one time in the history of the NFL,
Speaker 2: there's about five rockstar coaches, and right now it's you know,
Speaker 2: Sean Payton took Chernobyl and two years later they're going
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. With a rookie quarterback, and you
Speaker 2: know dead cap Hell, Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid. You know
Speaker 2: there's a handful. I think McVeigh and Shanahan fall into
Speaker 2: that group. And Pro Football Talks suggested the Bear should
Speaker 2: call Kyle Shanahan, and I'm just gonna throw this out
Speaker 2: exens So Kyle Shanahan is smart. He has a losing
Speaker 2: record in San Francisco as a head coach without Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: who is now into the twilight of his career, Hurtle
Speaker 2: in Carolina, more so in San Francisco, he is staring
Speaker 2: down the barrel of signing Brock pretty injured for the
Speaker 2: second time, to a big deal. It is an old, expensive,
Speaker 2: brittle roster and he has the least talented quarterback and
Speaker 2: here are the Bears good roster. He'd get power quarterbacks
Speaker 2: free for four years. He's got weapons, actually a decent back,
Speaker 2: and it's a restart. And you'd say to yourself why,
Speaker 2: because just like San Francisco, San Francisco was a dead
Speaker 2: franchise held the Warriors were a dead franchise for years.
Speaker 2: But the minute they got good people are like oh
Speaker 2: Rick Barry, Chris Mullen, certain franchises are dead. The New
Speaker 2: York Giants are. The Bears feel like they are. But again,
Speaker 2: the Warriors were, the Niners were. Chicago is a massive
Speaker 2: football brand and to be the savior of it in
Speaker 2: an offensive era, I said this today, I would absolutely say,
Speaker 2: here's three first round picks.
Speaker 1: We got our cornerback.
Speaker 2: I don't need that. Here we go Kyle Shanahan. I
Speaker 2: think staring down the barrel of Christian McCaffrey's age, brock
Speaker 2: pretty getting the bag an old, expensive roster with a
Speaker 2: lot of debo, and I you questions, I think he
Speaker 2: takes the call. Am I nuts?
Speaker 1: No, you're not nuts, But I mean he you don't
Speaker 1: really trade with him, right, like the Niners trade? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So like that do the not because Kyle Shanahan maybe
Speaker 1: is interested in the exit, but are the Niners interested
Speaker 1: in it? Like I would absolutely say the Bears get
Speaker 1: the twelfth pick in the draft. Of course I would
Speaker 1: trade the twelfth pick in the draft for Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: Like it's not even yes, of course, the guy, the
Speaker 1: guy took Jimmy Garoppolo to a super Bowl, he took
Speaker 1: Rock Party to Super Bowl. I'm thinking he could do
Speaker 1: wonders with Caleb Williams, like I want a known commodity.
Speaker 1: It would be amazing. I'd call the Rams and ask
Speaker 1: about Sean McVay. Absolutely, I hire an offensive coach, the
Speaker 1: most proven one that you can find to develop and
Speaker 1: stabilize for Caleb Williams. However they have to go about
Speaker 1: getting that, I'd be all four. The Niner situation is
Speaker 1: an interesting one. They still have a ton of talent
Speaker 1: on the roster. It's old and brittle and expensive. Like
Speaker 1: you said, I don't think it's a disaster. Like I
Speaker 1: think if you asked a Vegas odds maker, hey, what
Speaker 1: are the preseason Super Bowl favorites for next year? I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked if the Niners were outside of the top
Speaker 1: six in terms of preseason odds. We don't know are
Speaker 1: they gonna pay debo. We don't know if Trent Williams
Speaker 1: is going to come back. But like, they got a
Speaker 1: lot of talent still on that team, and they had
Speaker 1: a freaky amount of injuries. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: he looks at it as dire as you do. I
Speaker 1: hope he does, because the Bears have no evidence that
Speaker 1: they can just conduct a search and hire the right trum.
Speaker 1: They have no evidence of it. They used a search
Speaker 1: firm and had Ernie ACRSI consult them on John Fox.
Speaker 1: And then they had a general manager draft Mitch Trubisky
Speaker 1: without telling John Fox that that was going to happen,
Speaker 1: and then they made John Fox coach Mitch Trubisky. Like
Speaker 1: it's so dysfunctional for so long in that hiring firing,
Speaker 1: Like thirty thousand foot view part of the organization that
Speaker 1: if Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles the president and GM
Speaker 1: go the trade for a coach route, They've never done
Speaker 1: it before, so I'm in for it. And then just
Speaker 1: one thing to your point, Chicago, I've said this to
Speaker 1: you before. It's unified by the Bears. The eighty five
Speaker 1: Bears still have media deals. They still drink for free.
Speaker 1: Mike Ditka and I know he was a cult of personality,
Speaker 1: but I mean the guy made tens of millions of
Speaker 1: dollars from merchandising. I mean he was on ESPN for forever.
Speaker 1: He had cigars, he had wine, he had restaurants, he
Speaker 1: had video games, he had everything from being the coach
Speaker 1: of the Bears who won the Super Bowl. So it
Speaker 1: matters when you win a Super Bowl everywhere, but a
Speaker 1: parade in Chicago would be different than a parade in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles or Cincinnati. So I would think a lot
Speaker 1: of coaches who currently have jobs, not just Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: or Cliff Kingsbury. I would think a lot of coaches.
Speaker 1: If the Bears are in the markets trade for a coach,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of coaches would call their agent
Speaker 1: and say, hey, can I get on that list.
Speaker 2: So one of the things I like about this is
Speaker 2: the exploration of different things. So I'll ask you about
Speaker 2: UFOs later, but I want to start with this.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times there's certain things I try
Speaker 2: to be careful of. Recency bias as a talk show host.
Speaker 2: Don't over don't get hyperbolic on something because it happened today,
Speaker 2: confirmation bias. Don't like something because I predicted it, and
Speaker 2: I think about those two all the time. Don't do that,
Speaker 2: don't that's what fans do, and I get it. I'm
Speaker 2: not a fan, right, I'm not paid to be a fan.
Speaker 2: The other thing is, don't let singular moments define somebody.
Speaker 2: So Matt Ryan in the Super Bowl had a really
Speaker 2: bad second half and people now think, you know, he
Speaker 2: was never clutch. Well, the truth is he is thirty
Speaker 2: eight come from behind fourth quarter wins. He's actually not
Speaker 2: that far off Brady, Montana, Elway and Mahomes as one
Speaker 2: of the great come from behind quarterbacks in the last well,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: At forever thirty eight. Ever, it's unbelievable. But you see,
Speaker 1: I did not know that that's a big number. Aaron Rodgers. Conversely,
Speaker 1: because of the Jared Cook completion down the sideline against
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and one of the great throws ever, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's up there with David Tyree and Eli it's one
Speaker 1: of the great playoff throws. Ever, people view him as
Speaker 1: a great comeback quarterback. He's actually dreadful. He's got fewer
Speaker 1: than Ryan Tannehill, significantly fewer than Russell Wilson. Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: has thirty eight. He has twenty two this year. We've
Speaker 1: watched six, five or six times. He's not good.
Speaker 2: He gets very, very tight. And why would this be.
Speaker 2: He's so talented And I have a lot of beliefs
Speaker 2: on Aaron Rodgers' personality, but generally quarterbacks who are not
Speaker 2: good late it's because they get tight. And I think
Speaker 2: Aaron has been elevated because of the esthetic appeal. Marino
Speaker 2: had this the aesthetic appeal of how beautiful he threw
Speaker 2: the ball. That he's never been a grinder, and he's
Speaker 2: kind of an ad libber a little bit. He doesn't
Speaker 2: in the offseason. He relies like Marino did on his
Speaker 2: esthetic athleticism, the beauty of it. I mean, he literally
Speaker 2: throws the ball and he's not on the ground like
Speaker 2: you ever seen those passes where his feet aren't touching
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 1: And the truth is the prep quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Brady Matt Ryan was a legendary prep quarterback, Drew Brees, Mahomes,
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. I mean I brought Mike Tomlin saying today
Speaker 2: the dude loves football. You can't get Hi out of
Speaker 2: the sellet football.
Speaker 1: Is that Aaron has been the reason.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense that he'd be great all
Speaker 2: the time. He's not a good fourth quarter quarterback. And
Speaker 2: I think it's because that is grinder territory. Bo Nicks,
Speaker 2: by the way, is already classic grinder, a little smaller
Speaker 2: than you want, doesn't have the he's already an outstanding
Speaker 2: fourth quarter quarterback. And so there's my take is that
Speaker 2: this Aaron Rodgers dot comes out and it's just very
Speaker 2: funny how we view him as this legendary late game
Speaker 2: quarterback and it's been on display this year with a
Speaker 2: dysfunction organization.
Speaker 1: He's actually bad at it. Yeah, so I would be
Speaker 1: very interested in actually parsing the data on number of opportunities.
Speaker 1: Is it at all possible that Aaron Rodgers has had
Speaker 1: fewer opportunities than you would expect because he's so damn
Speaker 1: good and his team was always winning.
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and Seattle didn't trail much and he has
Speaker 2: thirty percent more.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, fair enough, Rogers, you and I I definitely
Speaker 1: fall for the aesthetic of it. Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs.
Speaker 1: Some of Aaron Rodgers's peak until Mahomes came along. I
Speaker 1: would always say it was the best I'd ever seen,
Speaker 1: and it was better than Brady and it was better
Speaker 1: than Manning. Not more accomplished or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: just guy had a forty five touchdown six interception season,
Speaker 1: like it was stupid. His ability to be a big
Speaker 1: game hunter, hunt for touchdowns, throw the ball down the
Speaker 1: field and not turn the ball over like Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: at his peak of his powers is still about as
Speaker 1: good as ever, and I think crazy influential, Like you
Speaker 1: mentioned Mahomes, Mahomes is a combination of the two, right,
Speaker 1: Mahomes has the from the pocket Andy Reid extension, brilliant
Speaker 1: snap throw, diagnose everything football guy, and then also can
Speaker 1: throw a ball horizontal to the ground basically like submarine
Speaker 1: style through three dudes and you're like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I think a robot made that throw. So Mahomes is stylistically,
Speaker 1: I actually think, very similar to Aaron Rodgers, but he
Speaker 1: has this like weird combination of both, which is why
Speaker 1: he's the most talented to ever do it. I think
Speaker 1: that the explanation with the Jets is simpler than that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's old. One guy has been good
Speaker 1: at his age ever and it was Tom Brady won
Speaker 1: ever and Aaron Rodgers has other interests and the Jets
Speaker 1: are really dysfunctional, and he's coming off of a very
Speaker 1: serious injury, and you know, maybe the Jets bring him
Speaker 1: back next year, but I wouldn't. If I were them,
Speaker 1: I'd eat the forty nine millions, spread it out over
Speaker 1: two years, and just be done with the nonsense in
Speaker 1: the circus and draft a quarterback and move on and
Speaker 1: if they do that, can you name a team that
Speaker 1: would sign him? I said the Raiders. Maybe, yes, like
Speaker 1: like the Raiders, maybe intrigue tough division have no shot
Speaker 1: to win it. You draft a quarterback, you sign Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: You hope that Rogers has the quarterback sit behind him
Speaker 1: and has like a Jordan Love situation. Maybe do you
Speaker 1: have an organization that would pay Aaron Rodgers to play
Speaker 1: football next year?
Speaker 2: It's funny because Brady now is going to be part
Speaker 2: of the Raiders ownership group, so Mark Davis would rely
Speaker 2: on Brady's opinion on that, and I don't I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna speak for Tom, but I don't think he holds
Speaker 2: Aaron in the regard that.
Speaker 1: Fandom does.
Speaker 2: I think Tom sees a guy that relied heavily on
Speaker 2: talent and didn't put Brady's obsessive Peyton Manning Breeze's obsessive
Speaker 2: compulsion to work. I think within Brady.
Speaker 1: Has to be just disgusted that Aaron Rodgers has other interests.
Speaker 1: You hosted Jeopardy, you travel in the off season, you
Speaker 1: do experimental drugs. And by the way, that trailer, like
Speaker 1: I'll watch the documentary, but that trailer of him saying
Speaker 1: I love science or I love silence while being miked
Speaker 1: up and filmed is one of the most unintentionally hilarious
Speaker 1: things ever. Like, Buddy, you've got like a camera crew
Speaker 1: and a sound guy and you're miked up, but you're
Speaker 1: doing a darkness retreat. It's just so he's such a
Speaker 1: oh he says enigma, I don't know, or you're just
Speaker 1: a pseudo intellectual who loves attention and has a massive ego.
Speaker 1: It's just it's so funny to me.
Speaker 2: I want to delve into something that is so I
Speaker 2: not that I was late at TikTok, but my wife
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes when that stuff came out. She strolls it
Speaker 2: every morning. She's got recipes and I mean she's constantly saying,
Speaker 2: oh God, I saw this recipe. I gotta try it,
Speaker 2: and the dog videos and she'll I'll be playing wordle
Speaker 2: and I'll be reading, you know, CNN or the New
Speaker 2: York Times, whatever I'm reading, and my wife is just
Speaker 2: and she'll read that stuff about she's strolling scrolling, I
Speaker 2: mean just threw it. And so I don't know what
Speaker 2: it is, and I'm going to suggest to you what
Speaker 2: it is. I guess is that over the last three weeks,
Speaker 2: I have just had this compulsion to go on TikTok.
Speaker 2: And I think it's the UAPs and the UFOs that
Speaker 2: I find it hysterical. I do not believe in them.
Speaker 2: I never have. With the Hubble telescope and the other telescopes,
Speaker 2: if they were out there, we would see him. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to trust Clancy in middle of Indiana at
Speaker 2: night four, heinekens in to tell me, you know here Aliens.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 2: People say things. They'll say it's incredibly arrogant to think
Speaker 2: we're the only people in the galaxy.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: I'm saying with the technology we have, I don't think
Speaker 2: Merle would spot it. I think our telescopes would, and
Speaker 2: that I don't believe any of this stuff, but I
Speaker 2: am fascinated when people go to the sky, often in
Speaker 2: the flight line of a major airport, and go look
Speaker 2: at that, and I'm like, yeah, I live near Lax.
Speaker 2: There's forty of those puppies lined up, and the further
Speaker 2: they are away, the more they look like UFOs. Now
Speaker 2: tell me your stance on UFOs. This I mean on TikTok.
Speaker 2: There's now like UFOs today, thousand pictures come up videos.
Speaker 1: It was in the it was in the news in
Speaker 1: New Jersey yesterday. Like Carton on breakfast Ball was like,
Speaker 1: did you see the UFOs over my house? I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't, and he was like, oh yeah, and he
Speaker 1: showed me a news clip and you watched the video
Speaker 1: and he's like, what do you think that is? I'm like, Buddy,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it's an alien. I don't think it fucked like I don't.
Speaker 1: I am not arrogant enough to believe that we're the
Speaker 1: only thing in the galaxy. But I'm also not arrogant
Speaker 1: enough to believe that I can explain it. And my
Speaker 1: cynical nature or distrust of whatever is like it's probably us,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's the government doesn't tell us everything, Like
Speaker 1: it's probably us or China. They were a military exercise
Speaker 1: of some kind, or you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: people don't see things, and I'm not at all claiming
Speaker 1: that we get the full story, but I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think it's spoke.
Speaker 2: So back before the stealth was created, I worked in Vegas.
Speaker 2: I worked in Vegas from like eighty seven to ninety.
Speaker 1: Three or something like that.
Speaker 2: So we had a reporter, Dan Burns, and he kept
Speaker 2: getting these calls because he did like our aviation beat. Right,
Speaker 2: we had a mob beat and aviation beat and a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. And Dan Burns was this great reporter
Speaker 2: and he kept getting calls about these triangular shaped lights
Speaker 2: people would see. And it was like a two year deal.
Speaker 2: And you know, then the Iraq War hit and the
Speaker 2: stealth was now part of our national discussion. Right that
Speaker 2: nobody we had the word stealth, but stealth Bomber's CNN
Speaker 2: when they flew in and under the radar, Well, they
Speaker 2: were testing them Area fifty one among other places. So
Speaker 2: people weren't crazy. They were seeing things, but they wanted
Speaker 2: that to be secret.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I think our government is first of all.
Speaker 1: Drones.
Speaker 2: Well, you knew our government was going to create at
Speaker 2: some point super drones, like drones that you're not going
Speaker 2: to get anywhere else. I mean, you hear about the
Speaker 2: government what they want to do with like the bitcoins
Speaker 2: and cryptocurrency, and you hear stories from business people, entrepreneurs
Speaker 2: about what they wanted to do with AI and the
Speaker 2: Biden White House. Regardless of what side you are on
Speaker 2: the spectrum, they like to get their arms around stuff,
Speaker 2: fortify it, modify it, and control it. That's what our
Speaker 2: government does, probably more than we're comfortable with.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I tend to think they're experimenting and they want to
Speaker 2: see how the public reacts. They want to see how
Speaker 2: visible it is. They want to see if they can
Speaker 2: hide it from the post. I think this has just
Speaker 2: happened my entire life absolutely. I mean Colin, my four
Speaker 2: year old, has a drone.
Speaker 1: They have. I mean, drone technology has been around for
Speaker 1: a while. It was a big part of the Obama
Speaker 1: presidency certainly, and now like you can buy one for
Speaker 1: forty bucks. So I think there's a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: that the couple, what is it trillion dollar defense budget.
Speaker 1: My guess is they got some pretty cool toys like that.
Speaker 1: Occasionally Merle or Clancy or whatever sees and they're just
Speaker 1: not gonna tell us what it is. But I also
Speaker 1: think we want to believe stuff and media works for
Speaker 1: a reason, and movies make hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 1: for a reasoning. Independence Day is a hell of a watch,
Speaker 1: Like it's a great movie, you know, Alien Versus Predator.
Speaker 1: There's a reason why it's a franchise. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: a fun story. We don't want to believe that I
Speaker 1: got a mortgage and life and a couple of kids,
Speaker 1: and if you're lucky, you get eighty years and then
Speaker 1: you go into the ground and there's nothing before us,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing after us. And you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We want to believe in extra cool stuff. And there's
Speaker 1: a reason why Twilight and Stranger Things and Harry Potter
Speaker 1: and Lord of the Rings and all that stuff is
Speaker 1: so popular. It's fun to believe in things that are
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly likely not real. We just are. We're easy, we are.
Speaker 1: I don't blame people for believing in it. I guess
Speaker 1: this is my point, because we are fed so much
Speaker 1: stuff to make it seem like like Game of Thrones,
Speaker 1: that dragon looks real. I'm sorry, I don't know what
Speaker 1: a real dragon is, but I'm like it looked real.
Speaker 1: We get we get inundated with a bunch of fantasy
Speaker 1: in a way where I understand why people want to
Speaker 1: believe in stuff.
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Speaker 2: I know you have a great affection for baseball, and
Speaker 2: my first job out of college was a triple A
Speaker 2: baseball announcer, so I wanted to be a baseball announcer.
Speaker 2: And then the world changed and I football and gambling
Speaker 2: in Vegas and whatever. So but I do think baseball.
Speaker 2: I'll start with this premise that baseball is going to
Speaker 2: go through a really good decade. The regional sports networks
Speaker 2: have died since Fox sold them, and the bottom has
Speaker 2: fallen out of the sport. The bottom ten to twelve
Speaker 2: payrolls now needed that money, and it's dried up fast,
Speaker 2: and so the gap between the haves and the have
Speaker 2: nots between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros, Mets, Padres and the
Speaker 2: rest of baseball has gotten white. And it actually helps
Speaker 2: baseball because where baseball drives its revenue a large degree
Speaker 2: of its television And if you can combine teams that
Speaker 2: become the Warriors with KD Star driven Philadelphia, New York,
Speaker 2: New York, Los Angeles, Houston, Atlanta, it actually works for
Speaker 2: this sport. There's always been a competitive advantage. When the
Speaker 2: YES network first exploded and other entities weren't making that money.
Speaker 2: The Yankees dominated the Hot Stove League for fifteen years
Speaker 2: and now it's some other teams and the Yankees. So
Speaker 2: I think the best players are on the biggest brands
Speaker 2: and in the biggest market, and it helps. Conversely, NBA
Speaker 2: ants and Minnesota. Wemby's in San Antonio, Jokich is in Denver, Jannis, Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: You know, Jalen Brunson's a nice piece. But in the end,
Speaker 2: with Lebron and Steph Curry aging, there's a markets matter
Speaker 2: except for the NFL. So with that premise, baseball is
Speaker 2: in a good spot. So nobody likes their commissioner. Rob
Speaker 2: Manfred has stepped in it a few times. Danny, but
Speaker 2: he has been aggressive enough and his last two moves
Speaker 2: have absolutely worked, removing the defensive shift and the pitch clock.
Speaker 2: Attendance and ratings have benefited. So the golden at bat
Speaker 2: is being suggested. And obviously I've said this, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if I've said it before, but baseball purists are
Speaker 2: a lot like the Quakers of religion. They're diminishing in numbers.
Speaker 2: Over my lifetime, we were all exhausted by their purity.
Speaker 2: And baseball purists very much are, you know, the sanctity
Speaker 2: of the game. But television now is the primary provider
Speaker 2: of revenue, and they want more stars and they want
Speaker 2: faster games. And I got to tell you seeing Bryce
Speaker 2: Harper for the second time in twelve minutes instead of
Speaker 2: the dugout is not a terrible thing. Now, you're more
Speaker 2: purest than I am. After my rant here, but I
Speaker 2: see the upside to it.
Speaker 1: No, I do too. So Okay, there was a lot
Speaker 1: there and it was really good. Let's start with the
Speaker 1: golden at bat and then we could work backwards. I
Speaker 1: like it. I don't know that it'll work. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it'll get passed, but my basic premise is
Speaker 1: I like sports and leagues who try stuff. When the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game with the Saints happened and there was
Speaker 1: the terrible pass interference penalty, and they made past interference
Speaker 1: reviewable for the next year, I said at the time
Speaker 1: that that was going to backfire. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: not a good idea making penalties reviewable, But I understood
Speaker 1: the thought process behind it. They did a trial for
Speaker 1: a year. It was a disaster. They went back on it,
Speaker 1: but I applauded them for trying it, even if I
Speaker 1: thought it wasn't going to work. The nd season tournament,
Speaker 1: we'll see how big of a deal it becomes. But
Speaker 1: I like that they tried it the pitch clock, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, they finally tried it. Theo Epstein got really involved,
Speaker 1: made a bunch of recommendations. He backed it data. He
Speaker 1: tried stuff in the Fall League and the miners and
Speaker 1: independent ball, and they worked it up and they're trying
Speaker 1: it and the rule changes are working. Trying stuff is
Speaker 1: a good idea, So I like the premise of it.
Speaker 1: I like thinking outside the box. I don't particularly care
Speaker 1: about the purists. And then I had our researcher at
Speaker 1: breakfast Ball Troy, He's excellent. Look into the data on it,
Speaker 1: and just to use the Dodgers and the Yankees, the
Speaker 1: teams that were in the World Series with the biggest stars.
Speaker 1: If you said eighth inning or later, tieder, one run,
Speaker 1: game runner in scoring position, the Dodgers had that circumstance
Speaker 1: happen one hundred and thirty eight times this past season.
Speaker 1: Otani came up to the plate twenty times. It's not
Speaker 1: enough when you compare it to Mahomes down six balls
Speaker 1: in his hand, last two minutes, Lebron's got the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands. Aaron Judge came up in that spot
Speaker 1: eight times all year. Loan Soto came up ten times
Speaker 1: all year. So your biggest stars, your best players, did
Speaker 1: not come up in the biggest moments all year long,
Speaker 1: nearly enough. So that is a problem that is worth solving.
Speaker 1: I have no idea if the baseball illuminati will go
Speaker 1: for it, but I love the creativity. Here's a prediction
Speaker 1: for you, and you're more sourced than I am. You
Speaker 1: know all the head honchos and more owners and all
Speaker 1: of that. But let's just call this an informed one.
Speaker 1: I think the next CBA in baseball is going to
Speaker 1: be ugly. The last couple have been because of the
Speaker 1: collapse of the RSN model and how much of the
Speaker 1: revenue is localized. Right, the Dodgers got the last great deal,
Speaker 1: so they have more money than everybody else. And then
Speaker 1: the vanity owners, the Steve Cohens of the world, the
Speaker 1: Yankees of the world. They can outspend everybody. The Cubs
Speaker 1: have a network, but they launched it late, so they
Speaker 1: don't make as much money from it as they would
Speaker 1: have if they would have launched it in twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I think we've got the best
Speaker 1: chance that we've ever had in the history of the
Speaker 1: sport to come out of the next labor negotiation. And
Speaker 1: it might be ugly. We might miss some games, we
Speaker 1: might miss the spring training. We'll see how ugly it gets.
Speaker 1: I think we might get a cap and a floor.
Speaker 1: I think there's a real chance that enough billionaires that
Speaker 1: are in smaller markets are going to say, guys, I
Speaker 1: understand we want stars in big markets, but we can't
Speaker 1: compete with no local media. Deal Like the Fox money
Speaker 1: is great, that the ESPN money is great, but if
Speaker 1: you guys are making the if the Dodgers are making
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars basically a year from their deal,
Speaker 1: and the Twins and the Diamondbacks and the Brewers and
Speaker 1: the Pirates, and a third of the league at this
Speaker 1: point has their local media literally owned by MLB. The
Speaker 1: people that own those teams are still billionaires, and their
Speaker 1: friends are if they're friends with the billionaire who own
Speaker 1: the rich teams with the good media deals. And the
Speaker 1: players I think are going to go through You know,
Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns will get paid, Soda will get paid. But
Speaker 1: I think we're going to go through enough free agent
Speaker 1: cycles where enough players are going to realize that the
Speaker 1: Dodgers can't sign everybody, they only can play one right fielder,
Speaker 1: they only can play one shortstop, that they are finally
Speaker 1: going to acquiesce and say, okay, it's in our benefit
Speaker 1: if the Pirates have to spend more and the Dodgers
Speaker 1: have to spend a little bit less, and then it
Speaker 1: will distribute the stars a little bit more evenly, which
Speaker 1: will go against your first point. But a cap and
Speaker 1: a floor, I think is a real chance to come
Speaker 1: to baseball in the next five years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're paying attention to it. And of
Speaker 2: course working at Fox, both of us now know about
Speaker 2: the regional sports networks the RSNS. It is it is
Speaker 2: one of the great exits in the history of business.
Speaker 2: Those were worth half as much an hour after the
Speaker 2: Murdoch sold them, and ninety percent less two hours after
Speaker 2: they sold them. It was yeah, they and it was
Speaker 2: a two billion, three billion dollar a year revenue for Fox.
Speaker 2: But the problem being there were about four major markets
Speaker 2: in the offing looking for new renegotiations and deals, and
Speaker 2: the profits we're going to diminish. And uh yeah, that's
Speaker 2: really really hurt the Kansas Cities, the Pittsburgh's, the Seattles.
Speaker 2: It's highly punitive. They just can't for they can't even
Speaker 2: get in the running on sometime second tier players, forget
Speaker 2: Soto and Otani.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, like, the Cubs are a big market
Speaker 1: team that make a killing. That attendance and in stadium
Speaker 1: revenue matters in baseball more than any of the other sports.
Speaker 1: And it's not close because they have so many. Right,
Speaker 1: You've got eighty one home games. So the Cubs are
Speaker 1: a big market team who do very well. But again,
Speaker 1: they launched the marketing network late. I'm not speaking out
Speaker 1: of school. This is well documented. They would admit to it,
Speaker 1: and so you would think broadcasting one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: Cubs games a year would be great business. It's good business,
Speaker 1: but it's not great. But it's not close to what
Speaker 1: the Dodgers get because of when they launched it, because
Speaker 1: the cable companies are not doing it in the same
Speaker 1: way that they are not They're not willing to pay
Speaker 1: for it in cord cutting and all the reasons that
Speaker 1: are impacting the media landscape. So it's the inequity I
Speaker 1: think has grown. You're right, it puts stars in big markets,
Speaker 1: and in theory that is good. But there's too many
Speaker 1: billionaires that own too many teams that don't have that
Speaker 1: deal that you don't want them to get out of
Speaker 1: the baseball business and not want to own the Twins
Speaker 1: or the Diamondbacks or the Pirates or the Brewers. So
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a mechanism to level
Speaker 1: the playing field through the next CBA. I really do
Speaker 1: the as we do what we do for a living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been a really envious person, but as
Speaker 2: I've aged, there are some things in our business that
Speaker 2: feel like sometimes minutia, like doing shows, in July. In
Speaker 2: the last year, for the first time, I took like
Speaker 2: three weeks off in July. I said, guys, it's it's.
Speaker 1: By the way, thank you because I hosted for you
Speaker 1: July eighth and ninth, and I think it changed my life,
Speaker 1: so so please do that again.
Speaker 2: So the reason July and August have gotten less interesting
Speaker 2: are cultural changes. I believe Sean McVay said I'm not
Speaker 2: playing any of my good players in the preseason, and
Speaker 2: everybody said, you're nuts.
Speaker 1: You'll start off oh.
Speaker 2: To eight and he started eight and oh, and then
Speaker 2: everybody went, I think he's got it. And so now
Speaker 2: the preseason is utterly charmless. There is nothing interesting about
Speaker 2: it at all. Therefore, those three to four weeks and
Speaker 2: they've shortened it from four to three weeks, will probably
Speaker 2: be shortened to two weeks, and August is dead. It's
Speaker 2: regular season baseball. A lot of the you know, as
Speaker 2: the gap between the good and the terrible and Made
Speaker 2: League Baseball widens, the races are settled, you know, the
Speaker 2: good teams are resting pitchers and you know, so it's
Speaker 2: a little minutia. So sometimes I think the audience thinks
Speaker 2: we do things just for ratings. Of course we do right.
Speaker 2: Ratings and revenue drive our entire existence. But I was
Speaker 2: I was sitting there day and I was thinking about
Speaker 2: the cyclical nature. And I took a calendar out, and
Speaker 2: I thought, here are the busy times, here are the
Speaker 2: slow times. And I found, like six weeks. If I
Speaker 2: could ideally take six weeks off a year, six to eight, here.
Speaker 1: Where they were.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that was interesting is that
Speaker 2: in my lifetime only one sport has been created, UFC
Speaker 2: that literally becomes part of my life. I'm now watching UFC.
Speaker 2: I watched college pro, NBA, March Madness golf tournament's tennis,
Speaker 2: I watched all that stuff. Now soccer is more popular.
Speaker 2: But I was watching the United States men's and women's
Speaker 2: national teams twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1: I didn't care.
Speaker 2: Sof is now the one created sport. A lot of
Speaker 2: it's just the force of nature, force of personality of
Speaker 2: Dana White, like renting an island during COVID, just it
Speaker 2: really sums up who he is. But I was sitting
Speaker 2: there and I said, you know what, Caitlin Clark and
Speaker 2: Angel Reese has a magic bird feel to it. And
Speaker 2: I said, I talked about it ten times this year,
Speaker 2: and I monitor my ratings and the ratings people dug it.
Speaker 2: It was often my first or second highest rented segment,
Speaker 2: and I said, I think it's going to become I
Speaker 2: never thought this in a million years. Hell, the teams
Speaker 2: don't make any money WNBA. But I'm like, well, do
Speaker 2: I have to cover the league? No, I'm going to
Speaker 2: cover Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. I don't cover boxing,
Speaker 2: but about three times a year there's a fight in
Speaker 2: the seventies, eighties, and nineties and you'd say, Okay, here's
Speaker 2: Ali Foreman. We would before I got into this business,
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people will push back
Speaker 2: and go that's very PC. But outside of UFC, I
Speaker 2: am convinced that Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese will be
Speaker 2: a decade long potential story as long as both teams
Speaker 2: are viable.
Speaker 1: Is that a reach? Is that recency bias? No? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Listen. One of the all time great
Speaker 1: Colin Cowhard analogies is that you're in the omelet business,
Speaker 1: not the egg business. I love that line. I think
Speaker 1: it's so good. You're like, my job isn't to make
Speaker 1: you interesting? I talk about you when you become interesting.
Speaker 1: I loved that line from you, And so they are interesting.
Speaker 1: The data supports it, and it has a lot of things. Listen, frankly,
Speaker 1: some of it's ugly, right, There's there's racial components, there's
Speaker 1: sexism components. Like some of the stuff that came back
Speaker 1: on it was pretty ugly. But at its core, I
Speaker 1: always say rivalries are awesome. Yeah, rivalry. That's why Steelers
Speaker 1: Ravens gets you your juices flowing a little bit, Bears, Packers, Yankees,
Speaker 1: Read Cubs, Cardinals, Celtics, Lakers. We like it. We like
Speaker 1: rivalries because I want less hate in the world and
Speaker 1: more Hayen sports, and so like a healthy amount of
Speaker 1: hate is okay to me. Like I don't want there
Speaker 1: to be riots, but I wasn't like clutching my pearls
Speaker 1: over flag planting, you know. I'm like, it's kind of funny,
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of funny that a two win team
Speaker 1: plants a flag at midfield and then they push a
Speaker 1: show and it goes the other way. When you're pepper
Speaker 1: spraying college kids, I'm like, that's ridiculous. And I understand
Speaker 1: that I'm flirting in a gray area there on advocating something,
Speaker 1: and then when it gets too far, I'm like, well
Speaker 1: that's too far. Sorry, call me a hypocrite. I like
Speaker 1: a little bit of trash talk in my sports. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do something on Breakfast Ball tomorrow. I don't think
Speaker 1: taunting should be a penalty in the NFL on sportsmanlike conduct.
Speaker 1: If you punch a guy, you spit any guy's face, fine,
Speaker 1: unnecessary roughness, the same thing, delay a game, same thing taunting.
Speaker 1: Let them trash talk and figure it out. I'm cool
Speaker 1: with it. I'll make the case tomorrow on the show.
Speaker 1: That's a meandering way to get to rights are awesome
Speaker 1: and star power, celebrity h it dates back to college familiarity.
Speaker 1: We know it. And then there's also this, and you
Speaker 1: could speak to this. You've been in the game longer
Speaker 1: than I have. People like to be a part of
Speaker 1: something that is growing, right, Like the World Series, the
Speaker 1: number was big, it was as good as it could
Speaker 1: have been. Yankees and Dodgers, Otani, Judge, Sodo, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But like if baseball got that number thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: they would have been appalled. And so like the general
Speaker 1: trend of baseball is down in terms of ratings from
Speaker 1: where it was, the WNBA, the era is going up.
Speaker 1: People like growth stories, Right, how many companies have you
Speaker 1: invested in or talked to their CEOs out there in
Speaker 1: California where it's like, we don't even need to show profit,
Speaker 1: we just need to show that we're growth and more
Speaker 1: you and all of that stuff. So I think that's
Speaker 1: the netflicks for years, for almost all of them, for years.
Speaker 1: You know, like the line in David Fincher's The Social Network, like,
Speaker 1: don't you're throwing a cool party? You know a million
Speaker 1: dollars isn't cool? You know it is a billion dollars,
Speaker 1: Like don't don't take an ad when you got on
Speaker 1: one hundred college campuses. Wait until you're in one hundred
Speaker 1: countries and then do it right, like lose money, keep
Speaker 1: getting your funding, and then cash in big at the end.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how big the WNBA can get,
Speaker 1: That's right, I don't. Like I do have some skepticism
Speaker 1: on how big it can get as as a whole
Speaker 1: league teams. Caitlin Clark not rooting for it, obviously, but
Speaker 1: like say she tears her ACL in the second week
Speaker 1: of the season. I think that'd be real bad for
Speaker 1: interest for the sport for that season, right. I think
Speaker 1: it's carried by a very few pockets of stars right now.
Speaker 1: But will it be more popular in five years than
Speaker 1: it is today? Yes, Like it is clearly a growth enterprise,
Speaker 1: and I think that that is also a really popular phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Like people like to be a part of something early
Speaker 1: in on the grounds or I knew this band before
Speaker 1: they got on the test feel smart? Yes, Oh when
Speaker 1: when did you sign up for Blue Sky? Like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's happening right now. We'll
Speaker 1: see maybe Blue Sky will be a huge thing in
Speaker 1: two years, maybe it will be like what was Blue
Speaker 1: Sky again? But so I don't know where it ends
Speaker 1: for the WNBA, but I am absolutely positive Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: will be a story ten years from now. She will
Speaker 1: bring the league with her. And that is good business
Speaker 1: because it's growth. Even if Yankees Dodgers outrates the WNBA championship,
Speaker 1: like it's just one's going up the others going down.
Speaker 1: So therefore it it is seen as a cooler thing
Speaker 1: to be a part of.
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Speaker 2: about the media in general. I'm not going to join
Speaker 2: Blue Sky because you can't transfer your followers. There's what
Speaker 2: they call a bridge that can help it. But people
Speaker 2: are too busy to worry about my bridge and my followers.
Speaker 2: So if I could transfer all my followers, I don't
Speaker 2: even know if I would do it then, but I can't,
Speaker 2: and I have almost two million. So I'm okay with
Speaker 2: I'm okay with X. But it's a bigger picture is
Speaker 2: that you know a lot of people on the left
Speaker 2: post election, I'm out of here, and my take is, well,
Speaker 2: that's kind of precious and a bit convenient. Is that
Speaker 2: the truth is and Ethan Strauss discussed this recently in
Speaker 2: a column on Substackbody gets treated like shit on X.
Speaker 1: That's you got it.
Speaker 2: Pretty girls, ugly boys, everybody. I mean, nobody's happy because people,
Speaker 2: most people don't have power, and anonymously we all have
Speaker 2: more power, and a lot of people who are miserable
Speaker 2: and lonely, this is their time to flex, so let
Speaker 2: them just don't read it. But it's interesting. I think
Speaker 2: there's a responsibility to some degree. We're all somewhat, you know,
Speaker 2: responsible for our happiness. I tell my daughter, don't wake
Speaker 2: up looking for happiness. Have have things to do, follow
Speaker 2: your passions and what you're good at, you'll find happiness right,
Speaker 2: Like happiness will come to you if you just wake up.
Speaker 2: It's like grabbing a rainbow. I'm gonna wake up and
Speaker 2: find happiness. There's nothing to grab. You have to see
Speaker 2: other things that make you happy. That's happiness.
Speaker 1: And it really was.
Speaker 2: What's interesting about a lot of Hollywood and the left
Speaker 2: moving to blue Sky. It's like you just lost an
Speaker 2: election and there's an argument to be made the primary
Speaker 2: reason was you were a bit out of touch with
Speaker 2: regular people. Well, a lot of regular people get a
Speaker 2: flex on X, and when you lost, they did. And
Speaker 2: you're saying I don't want to deal with you, and
Speaker 2: to me, I'm like, guys, you would have stayed if
Speaker 2: you want, stay if you lose, stay connected to people,
Speaker 2: even if they can be angry and occasionally vile.
Speaker 3: Is one of the.
Speaker 2: Reasons I stay on X is to allow people to
Speaker 2: take shots at me, to allow people to whack emle
Speaker 2: me because I'm wrong, And if I'm wrong, I don't
Speaker 2: have to read it, I commute it. But I do
Speaker 2: think the one of the forms of hypocrisy that really
Speaker 2: bothers me about the media is we criticize for a
Speaker 2: living and we can't take it.
Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah, I hate that about us. Yeah that the
Speaker 1: last part of what you just said. I could not
Speaker 1: rubber stamp my agreement went on more people, It's amazing
Speaker 1: what we get to do for a living. And like
Speaker 1: the fact that, like if we get a wrong opinion
Speaker 1: thrown in our face and then people get defensive about
Speaker 1: it in our industry, I'm like, are you nuts? Like
Speaker 1: we don't get fired for being wrong, Like Matt Eberflus
Speaker 1: just got fired, you know what I mean, Like, like
Speaker 1: he's got to sell his house and move now, he'll
Speaker 1: be fine. I'm not asking you to like play a
Speaker 1: violin for the guy made millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: He'll be fine. But still, like there were consequences for
Speaker 1: him not being good, Like they're not consequences for me
Speaker 1: being wrong about a prediction about the Philadelphia Eagles, like
Speaker 1: be entertaining, own up to it, keep it moving, come
Speaker 1: back the next day. So I'm with you media people who,
Speaker 1: especially in the opinions, who cannot deal with criticism. I
Speaker 1: think it's crazy. Now, obviously there are lines that should
Speaker 1: not be crossed, racial slurs, threats. Obviously, people of color
Speaker 1: get it worse. Women get it worse. This is all documented.
Speaker 1: I remember once it's like there was a study like
Speaker 1: negative feedback outweighs positive feedback by like thirty to one.
Speaker 1: You don't call your cable company and said cable's working great,
Speaker 1: Like you call when there's a problem, So the discourse
Speaker 1: of the feedback is going to skew negative. So that's
Speaker 1: all of that part. The other thing about the thing
Speaker 1: about Blue Sky is like, so I squatted on a username.
Speaker 1: I haven't posted once. I don't do anything. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: in case this becomes big, I don't want anyone else
Speaker 1: to be Danny Parkins on Blue Sky. I have my username,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be in this at this point
Speaker 1: longer than you are, right just by eight. So I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to like, I don't know where it's all
Speaker 1: going to go, but I'm trying to be prepared for
Speaker 1: where it does. My thought on the liberal move to
Speaker 1: Blue Sky was I understan stood the desire to like
Speaker 1: form your own team and like consolidate your own team,
Speaker 1: but like it's a it's not like a conservative can't
Speaker 1: sign up for Blue Sky. There's no pre rest, So
Speaker 1: who's to say it's not going to turn into the
Speaker 1: exact same thing and who's And by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: not at all saying that the only people that are
Speaker 1: negative were nasty on X are conservative. That is not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But like, if lu Ski gets big,
Speaker 1: a lot of people with diverse opinions and backgrounds and
Speaker 1: actions and intentions are going to be on it. And
Speaker 1: then the other thing is, aren't we bubbled and siloed enough?
Speaker 1: That was my big thing about it. We all are
Speaker 1: in our own feedback loop already, we all already have
Speaker 1: our own algorithms, and like, yeah, the for utab is
Speaker 1: clearly being influenced by the lunatic who bought X. But
Speaker 1: like my Instagram reels when I search how to cast
Speaker 1: iron or ribi, I then get way more Instagram reels
Speaker 1: about steak like they're not They're not made from nothing,
Speaker 1: And so I agree, like leaving the place where the
Speaker 1: biggest public discourse on the Internet happens because you were
Speaker 1: upset with the result, didn't feel like it would solve
Speaker 1: a problem. It felt like it would make you feel better,
Speaker 1: as opposed to working towards solving a problem. So if
Speaker 1: you want to do it to feel better, fine, But
Speaker 1: I also I don't really believe that most of these
Speaker 1: people are like gone for good. We're addicted to these things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are just addicted to them. I've checked my phone
Speaker 1: twice since this interview started. Like it's hard, it's hard
Speaker 1: to put it down, you know, not interview conversation, but
Speaker 1: like it's just so I'm very skeptical of like Blue Sky,
Speaker 1: like long term us feeling like we are just oh,
Speaker 1: we just found a new one. People they'll be they'll
Speaker 1: be on X, and if it gets big and replaces X,
Speaker 1: then it will have the same problems that X hads. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I the silo comments interesting because I joke with
Speaker 2: my wife, she just every time I start this conversation,
Speaker 2: like once a year, she said, stop it. I'll say
Speaker 2: to her, I get free parking in Los Angeles and
Speaker 2: a free smoothie every day at Fox. I did the
Speaker 2: math on that. That's seventy two hundred dollars a year,
Speaker 2: and she's like, I know what you make. That's the
Speaker 2: dumbest thing I've heard. And I've said I always say
Speaker 2: to her, do you understand if I stayed at a
Speaker 2: company for twenty years, the value of free parking and
Speaker 2: free smoothies and oat field and coffee at a company
Speaker 2: and she and she said, I said, who gets that?
Speaker 2: And I often think about that little thing. By the way,
Speaker 2: I get my haircut for free haircut, smoothie, coffee, parking.
Speaker 2: That sounds ridiculous. Do you know how many people, if
Speaker 2: you could sign up for that in a city, would
Speaker 2: literally fight over it?
Speaker 1: And I do.
Speaker 2: And I guess my point with my wife is I'm
Speaker 2: never going to allow those to be forgotten. If people
Speaker 2: got free parking in Chicago, they'd be like, honey, I
Speaker 2: just got free parking in Chicago.
Speaker 1: The greatest thing ever. Yeah. When I felt when I
Speaker 1: filled in for you and they delivered that smoothie to
Speaker 1: the dressing room, I was like. I texted my wife.
Speaker 1: I was like, I think it's smoothie. They asked for
Speaker 1: my smoothie order and then it showed up. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: We don't get we don't get free smoothies. By the way,
Speaker 1: and Fox Sports one in New York, I I've asked,
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't, we don't get free smoothies. You
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta put in a good word for me
Speaker 1: out here. I need the free smoothie treatment from the
Speaker 1: LA offices.
Speaker 2: Well, that silo comment's real because I tell my wife
Speaker 2: it's easy to forget the stuff I get every day
Speaker 2: a staff like it's just something that most people would
Speaker 2: fight over. A parking space in a major city could
Speaker 2: be four thousand dollars a year for parking.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, don't think that everybody who works on
Speaker 1: breakfast ball like that drives in producers or what. It's
Speaker 1: a huge thing for them, right, It's like very expensive
Speaker 1: to park in New York City. And yeah, like we're
Speaker 1: not on the Fox lot. But again, obviously I'm not complaining.
Speaker 1: The jobs amazing and the perks are amazing, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good to have perspective outside of your bubble. And
Speaker 1: you made it about smoothies and free parking. But I
Speaker 1: would also say, like there are very few people. There
Speaker 1: are a couple. I'll admit that. I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: want to mute you because I don't want to see
Speaker 1: like your intentionally divisive, mean spirited, racist, hateful rhetoric come
Speaker 1: into my timeline because it just there's there's just negative
Speaker 1: ROI on it, right, like for mental health happiness, I'll
Speaker 1: go down a rabbit hole. It'll make me upset and
Speaker 1: now I'm just angry, So like that was just I've
Speaker 1: definitely done that with some people. Yeah, but I do
Speaker 1: try to understand people who disagree with me. I do
Speaker 1: to read sites and people and feeds and interact with
Speaker 1: things that like challenge my worldview because it's a big,
Speaker 1: messy diverse country and a big messy, diverse, diverse world.
Speaker 1: Like if you only consume all the stuff that you
Speaker 1: already agree with, like, what's the point. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I want to learn, I want
Speaker 1: to understand. I want to hold the same one some
Speaker 1: gaps like it. It. I don't believe that, like people
Speaker 1: who disagree with me are like bad people inherently. I
Speaker 1: think some of them are, and some are at least
Speaker 1: motivated by some bad stuff. But like, generally speaking, people
Speaker 1: want to be healthy, provide for their family, have happy,
Speaker 1: healthy kids, and like get along with their neighbors. So
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, let's try to understand each other and
Speaker 1: meet in the middle somewhere. So that's how I try
Speaker 1: to operate. But some people, Man, you got to mute,
Speaker 1: you got to have a site about your day. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 1: I know you do. I know you do. And we're
Speaker 1: we're meandering here. This is a very abstract conversation. But
Speaker 1: I like apps. That's why podcasts work. No, that's true,
Speaker 1: that's true. I just I don't know how much deconstruction
Speaker 1: of the election you've done as to like why it
Speaker 1: went the way that it did.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, I believe me. I so
Speaker 2: I'll throw this at you. When an election happens. Every
Speaker 2: four years, of federal election, I go to the losing
Speaker 2: team because all winners act the same, cocky, condescending told.
Speaker 1: You we were right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go to the losing side. So when Trump lost,
Speaker 2: I went to Fox News for three weeks. I don't
Speaker 2: watch a lot of cable politics outside of like election
Speaker 2: day or midterm day, So I went to Fox. So
Speaker 2: I went to MSNBC for three weeks. And I told
Speaker 2: a friend, I said, I don't think ms MSNBC has bathrooms,
Speaker 2: because nobody there is looking in the mirror. It's like
Speaker 2: a real problem. First it was racism, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: Obama had two terms, could have one a third. Then
Speaker 2: it was misogyny. No, Hillary Clinton won the popular election.
Speaker 2: And what I found on MSNBC, and again I don't
Speaker 2: I'm not taking sides here. I don't watch a lot
Speaker 2: of either of this stuff. I think Steve Karneck he's
Speaker 2: very good an election night, and so I leaned toward him.
Speaker 2: But by and large I don't care. Even though I
Speaker 2: work for Fox, I tend to be a moderate, socially left,
Speaker 2: fiscally right. But what I did find is there is
Speaker 2: there's an inability by both sides when they lose, to
Speaker 2: discover why they lost. And I'll I'll and I'll give
Speaker 2: you that's that's my first take is it's I'll give
Speaker 2: you an example, a sports example about the election. So
Speaker 2: every weekend in the NFL there's three blowouts. Does that
Speaker 2: mean there's three great teams?
Speaker 1: No, definitely, No.
Speaker 2: It means there's lots of crappy teams. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of average politicians, average candidates, average teams, average coaches. There's
Speaker 2: almost no great college football this year. One hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty Division one teams. There's no great team, not one.
Speaker 2: Tennis any one point. Federi Jokovic, Nadal in the whole
Speaker 2: world regreats a lot of goods. Serena, you know Martina
Speaker 2: in her prime, that was one of two. Right. So
Speaker 2: my take on the election was if you go back
Speaker 2: to Reagan winning and he had like a record turnout
Speaker 2: record support. Why because Jimmy Carter was one of our
Speaker 2: weakest presidents and Mondale when he ran against him, was
Speaker 2: a really, really weak candidate, and Reagan was charismatic. So
Speaker 2: it was as much about Reagan, whose first three years
Speaker 2: in office were not profound. He struggled right, it took
Speaker 2: him a while, but it was about a charismatic personality
Speaker 2: who had been an actor and really weak opposition Trump.
Speaker 2: And it's as the total votes have come in, it's
Speaker 2: not the mandate we many people subscribe to. But cop
Speaker 2: think about this with Kamalo, even in California, never heard
Speaker 2: of her until the twenty nineteen primaries, of which he
Speaker 2: had no coalition, didn't get me votes, and because of
Speaker 2: the emergence of TikTok and Biden's decline, he dominated the
Speaker 2: news cycle for three and a half years. She was invisible.
Speaker 2: They gave her the border. I'm not sure she went
Speaker 2: to it. She was invisible. Then Biden stubbornly was kicked
Speaker 2: to the curb very late in the process. She came
Speaker 2: in and for three to four weeks the primary issue
Speaker 2: was where'd she go? So Trump has the biggest personal.
Speaker 1: Brand in America. As a human being.
Speaker 2: She was largely invisible as a vice president, as they're
Speaker 2: prone to be, but the age and TikTok, Instagram, I mean,
Speaker 2: Biden was everywhere. And so this came down to she
Speaker 2: wasn't a terribly strong candidate and he had charisma and
Speaker 2: a brand. Even in high school elections, the popular good
Speaker 2: looking or the popular funny kid wins, right, And so
Speaker 2: they gave her the border.
Speaker 1: That was it. She didn't do a good job with
Speaker 1: the border.
Speaker 2: That was the vice president's get one one thing to
Speaker 2: put their arms around.
Speaker 1: She kind of butchered that.
Speaker 2: So to me, yeah, instead of being MSNBC just acknowledging
Speaker 2: she wasn't a great candidate, He's a big brand with
Speaker 2: a lot of bluster. Instead, it was these branches of
Speaker 2: the tree. And I'm like, oh, this is painful. That
Speaker 2: was my long winded take.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that the you know, anyone who says
Speaker 1: they know exactly what happened right after an election is wrong, right, Like,
Speaker 1: there's one hundred and fifty million votes, people, genders, races,
Speaker 1: income classes, they're not monoliths. They don't only vote for
Speaker 1: one reason. People generalize it. You've got to actually like
Speaker 1: crunch the numbers and the data and like come to conclusions.
Speaker 1: It takes time. I listened to the uh Podsave America
Speaker 1: podcast with the Kamala campaign manager and like a couple
Speaker 1: of advisors, and it was just infuriating. It. It was
Speaker 1: just they were just complimenting themselves on how great they
Speaker 1: did and how Cask was and listen, maybe it was impossible.
Speaker 1: Maybe Trump was too big of a brand, people were
Speaker 1: feeling inflation too much, Biden was too unpopular, and it
Speaker 1: was one hundred and seven days and she was a
Speaker 1: vice president for an unpopular president in a tough economy,
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe it was impossible. Maybe it was impossible
Speaker 1: for her to win in that timing, in that circumstance.
Speaker 1: But God, did they have a lot of like, well,
Speaker 1: we had to do this, and we ran this, and
Speaker 1: we raised the record amount of this, and we had
Speaker 1: to define this and we got on this and we
Speaker 1: couldn't do everything, and we tried to do this and
Speaker 1: it was because of this and we did. I was like,
Speaker 1: do you not have thumbs? Can you point a thumb?
Speaker 1: Can anyone point a thumb? I was just pointing fingers
Speaker 1: and it's just like excuses and we did this, and
Speaker 1: I was so proud of this, and they were so
Speaker 1: good at this. I was like, you weren't great because
Speaker 1: you didn't flip a single county. Stop telling me how
Speaker 1: great you did. Just take some acountability, take your loss,
Speaker 1: learn from it and right and move on. And so,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope they do. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: as doom and gloom as everybody else seems. I never know.
Speaker 2: It's very cyclical. It'll go back and forth, back and forth.
Speaker 2: The Reagan example is probably the most famous one, right,
Speaker 2: like forty nine states, like it's it so yeah, but man,
Speaker 2: just a little bit more accountability would be nice, Yes,
Speaker 2: a little bit more, a little bit more accountability would
Speaker 2: be nice. Yeah, But I do think it's much more
Speaker 2: fascinating to watch the losing side try to discover their issues.
Speaker 2: And it's fascinating to me how infrequently and how long
Speaker 2: it takes and how infrequently they do. And James Carville
Speaker 2: and Bill Maher I think, have been closer to the
Speaker 2: reality of it. But it was just a lot of
Speaker 2: race and misogyny, and it's like guys mirrors look in them.
Speaker 2: Stop blaming the voters look.
Speaker 1: In the mirror. I think there's a lot of that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's the thing that's true in
Speaker 1: sports too. The most interesting story is often in the
Speaker 1: losing locker room. Who blew it, who choked? Who's getting
Speaker 1: traded because of this, who's getting cut because of this,
Speaker 1: who's getting fired because of this? Like there's there's more.
Speaker 1: There are often more interesting stories and lessons to be
Speaker 1: learned from the losing side of a story.
Speaker 2: I think almost olways. In fact, when I do my
Speaker 2: show in the morning, I try not to be negative.
Speaker 2: So this morning I led with the twelve team college bracket, uh,
Speaker 2: kind of defending the committee, being positive, defending the committee
Speaker 2: Alabama choice. And then I went to the idea, which
Speaker 2: is kind of uplifting if you're a Bears fan, that
Speaker 2: let's go for it and get Kyle Shanahan. But I've
Speaker 2: had days. I had a day about two weeks ago,
Speaker 2: or the first four stories. It was a Monday, and
Speaker 2: I was like, God.
Speaker 1: I'm just hurping.
Speaker 2: And I remember like taking two of my stories early
Speaker 2: and just put them in the last hour. I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: I'm wearing me out. After these first three stories.
Speaker 1: I don't think we do. But I think that's actually
Speaker 1: a good sports media criticism. Like I think that I
Speaker 1: think that people have like gotten tired of the Chiefs
Speaker 1: on some level, like they're very popular, Like the data
Speaker 1: doesn't say that, but I'm saying, like it's almost becoming vogue,
Speaker 1: and they're playing close games. They're not as dominant this year,
Speaker 1: like on field questions and criticisms of close games against
Speaker 1: Vegas and Carolina and all that is totally doubt. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's not, but we should strive to and
Speaker 1: I try to and continue to try to. And we're
Speaker 1: sixty eight shows in or whatever we are into breakfast Ball,
Speaker 1: so hopefully I've got a long road ahead of me
Speaker 1: to like back up these words with actions. But like
Speaker 1: it's fun to appreciate stuff and be like how cool
Speaker 1: was that? How great of a play was that? Like
Speaker 1: we are watching You're like Daniel Jones sucks, like I guess,
Speaker 1: but he's actually awesome, Like he sucks compared to Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be my team's quarterback, but if
Speaker 1: you if he was the Syracuse football quarterback next week,
Speaker 1: they'd go on a run, they'd win a bunch of games.
Speaker 1: So I do think there's a little bit more room too.
Speaker 1: It's easy to talk about what's wrong with Phil and
Speaker 1: the blank team as opposed to making it interesting of
Speaker 1: why the Lions are crushing everybody, Like we just as
Speaker 1: a collective, I think we should try our best to
Speaker 1: like appreciate sports and celebrate them. Not that you can't
Speaker 1: be negative, not that you can't take an ax to
Speaker 1: something or call for a firing. It's all fine and good.
Speaker 1: These guys get paid a bunch of money. It's it's
Speaker 1: the opinion business you should be But it's just a
Speaker 1: It's a good, healthy thing to remember that, Like we
Speaker 1: should celebrate the champions. I get on Stinking Carton Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like you guys just like you hate greatness. We're
Speaker 1: rooting against the Chiefs, Like are you crazy? Like Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes track, these guys are unlikable in some way. No,
Speaker 1: they're awesome. They're historic. Like we've never seen a three
Speaker 1: pet You don't want to see it? Why I want
Speaker 1: to see it. I want to see the three. I
Speaker 1: want to see the greatness that I've never seen before.
Speaker 1: I'm not tired of it yet.
Speaker 2: The only thing that pushes back on that for me
Speaker 2: is I feel bad for Buffalo. I'd like to see
Speaker 2: Buffalo win one. Had Buffalo won before Kansas City went
Speaker 2: on this run, I'd love to see a three peace.
Speaker 1: But listen, I I called Josh Allen MVP before the year.
Speaker 1: I said he was the second best player in football
Speaker 1: before the year, and I picked him to win the
Speaker 1: division before the year when few people did, like I
Speaker 1: think he is. It is so I think I said
Speaker 1: this on your pond a few visits ago, like he
Speaker 1: is so very clearly the closest thing to Mahomes. And
Speaker 1: that's not like a one year sample the eighteen interceptions
Speaker 1: last year to not change my pinion, like going back
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty two. Now, it is very clear to
Speaker 1: me that it is Mahomes one, Allen two, and so
Speaker 1: he will get one. I will root for the three
Speaker 1: peat this year. But part of that is also my
Speaker 1: mom's family's from Kansas City. I worked there, I was
Speaker 1: there when they hired Andy Reid, So part of that
Speaker 1: is like a personal tie and bias and Chiefs fans
Speaker 1: and Arrowhead and all of that. So yeah, Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: Buffalo and those fans that would also be an excellent story.
Speaker 1: Obviously the Lions would be an excellent story. But I'm
Speaker 1: not tired of the greatness yet. From the chiefs. I
Speaker 1: liked Tiger, I liked Michael Jordan. You know, Brady did
Speaker 1: get a little ridiculous to me. I will admit that
Speaker 1: it's like the one because it was just it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're winning when you're in your forties.
Speaker 2: Well, I even had Lebron and Brady fatigue.
Speaker 1: Two decades is a little much, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But Tiger Tiger's ten years go back in YouTube. Tiger
Speaker 2: at the US Open Pebble Beach. You could watch the
Speaker 2: entire final round if you had three hours. It's insane.
Speaker 1: My listen, my dad didn't golf, and I love golf
Speaker 1: because of Tiger Woods. Like I'm of that age, right,
Speaker 1: Like I'm born in eighty six, so I'm eleven years
Speaker 1: old in ninety seven when he wins the Masters, like
Speaker 1: he was, Like, it was a phenomenon. It was Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: it was It was incredibly influential to watch that level
Speaker 1: of greatness. Like Caitlin Clark is creating women's basketball fans,
Speaker 1: like Tiger Woods created golf fans. There's cult of personality,
Speaker 1: figures in that level of dominance that I'll always be that,
Speaker 1: I'll always be Bones Jones. I hadn't bought UFC Fights
Speaker 1: in a while. I love the UFC Bones Jones Fights.
Speaker 1: I buy the card one hundred percent. Like there's like
Speaker 1: I am attracted to greatness almost universally.
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