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Speaker 1: Welcome in to another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today is Wednesday, April. Then plenty to get to, including

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Speaker 1: news about the Jaguars, possible future quarterback, Jack's defensive talk,

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Speaker 1: Joe Cullen interviewed by John Oser. This week Maurice Jones

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Speaker 1: Drew mock draft. Will we mock his mock We'll find out.

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Speaker 1: Eddie George, you know everybody knows that name, well, getting

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Speaker 1: into coaching a former Jaguars rival. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: of the HBCU talk and social media questions, all that

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Speaker 1: coming up. Bucky Brooks, John Oser, J P. Shadrick. I'll

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Speaker 1: start with us today, Bucky, would you pay three hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars for a toaster? What kind? It's one of the

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Speaker 1: apparently the best toaster of all time that has flat

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Speaker 1: screen technology and music and it does everything except butter

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Speaker 1: the bread for you. Oh and if it buttered the

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Speaker 1: bread for me, then I would be okay with it.

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Speaker 1: But if it's not going to butter the bread, that's

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Speaker 1: the only point. Because I was thinking, like maybe I

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Speaker 1: But if it's not gonna if I'm not gonna butter bread,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I might as well just sticking

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Speaker 1: I'm so cheap JP that uh, I can't imagine Sara

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Speaker 1: a toaster, all right. And that's why that's why Trevor

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Speaker 1: somebody else by the expensive stuff. That's great. I bet

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Speaker 1: you that registry they have was magnificit, right, that's the story.

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Speaker 1: This week. The Jaguars fans pulled their money together and

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Speaker 1: got the toaster for Trevor and a vacuum cleaner and

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Speaker 1: of choice. So a lot going on this week on

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Speaker 1: Jack's Twitter, Bucky, let's go. So the jacks Man's chipped

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Speaker 1: wonder what kind of vacuum that was. It's not a

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Speaker 1: I think this sort of probably wakes him up to Hey,

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Speaker 1: be fun. There's a connection. Remember how fun it was

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Speaker 1: That's the other part of this thing. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: is the presidential like Kenny carry himself like that? Like Kenny?

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence apparently is in the Jaguars playbook, into reports

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Speaker 1: the Jaguar scheme. It's something we talked about a few

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Speaker 1: very similar to what the Cincinnati Bengals did a year

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Speaker 1: So you're saying, go all in on the offense, build

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Speaker 1: That's what we're saying, go for it by defense. Draft

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the new offense. What's it

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Speaker 1: offensive line, anybody that we feel like on the offensive

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Speaker 1: line could be that piece. I know Cam Robinson is

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Speaker 1: on that franchise money, but do we believe that he

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Speaker 1: can be a top five, top ten offensive tackle. So

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Speaker 1: some of it is Taylor ought to be a right

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Speaker 1: tackle at some point, but I haven't been there yet.

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Speaker 1: So as so it's either acquisition or development. You know,

436
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Speaker 1: those are the two areas. And when you listen to

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Speaker 1: coach Meyer talk, that's what he talks about, this player

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Speaker 1: acquisition and player development. So did Jacks have to knock

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Speaker 1: it out of the park and those two aspects to

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Speaker 1: quickly return to prominence? This is The Huddle Podcast. J P. Shadrick,

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, NFL media analyst, John Osier, Jaguars dot Com

442
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Speaker 1: senior writer. You know, it's been a long time ago

443
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Speaker 1: since Trent Balky had his first draft in San Francisco,

444
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Speaker 1: and if you remember, you know he took over late

445
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Speaker 1: in that process, in a month before the draft. There

446
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Speaker 1: was some front office shake up and then all of

447
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Speaker 1: a sudden he's in charge of the draft a month

448
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Speaker 1: later and you did some wheeling and dealing in that

449
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Speaker 1: draft that affected the next couple of years of the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners draft situation. How how much do you does

451
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Speaker 1: does that matter? Now? His history? You know, he may

452
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Speaker 1: not have had a lot of that in the last

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Speaker 1: few years in San Francisco, but that's that's ten eleven

454
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Speaker 1: years ago. Traded back to the third round, they got

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Speaker 1: Navarro Bowman that year and a fourth round pick, but

456
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Speaker 1: then the next year they moved up from forty five

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Speaker 1: to thirty six, used that additional fourth round pick to

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Speaker 1: get Colin Kaepernick, and those are big pieces of that

459
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl run. Of course, it's too far removed right

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Speaker 1: to really look too far into that. No, it speaks

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Speaker 1: to how he treats the draft when he feels conviction

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Speaker 1: about a player or players that if he feels like

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Speaker 1: there's a player that can be an impact player, he's

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Speaker 1: willing to move up and get him. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: realize that they dragged. They traded up to get arranged

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Speaker 1: to get capped. I mean he he was a huge

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Speaker 1: addition um and a huge part of their run to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Uh. Navar Bowman team with Patrick Willis

469
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Speaker 1: state lockdown the middle of that fourtyn his defense for years.

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, that speaks to it. Now, they're gonna

471
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Speaker 1: be some swings and mrs. Because mean go and you

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Speaker 1: check there. There's some guys that were taking that. She's like, ah,

473
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Speaker 1: there's a bit of a reach. But he also hit

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Speaker 1: an all the Smith. All the Smith came into the

475
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Speaker 1: league and had a pretty pedestrian collegiate career. But I

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Speaker 1: mean the first three years he's one of the like

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Speaker 1: he was trending towards all time great status, so bark.

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Speaker 1: He definitely has an eye for talent. He knows exactly

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Speaker 1: what he's looking for it. The key will be can

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Speaker 1: he and coach Maya get on the same page when

481
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Speaker 1: it comes to who they're bringing in. Everything I heard

482
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Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl was that's what this guy likes

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Speaker 1: to do. Trent ball Ky likes to move around in

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Speaker 1: the draft and get in spots where he thinks there's

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Speaker 1: value in the draft. He likes to try to maximize

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Speaker 1: picks there and that he can do it, like JP said,

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Speaker 1: but with an eye on the next year. And I've

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Speaker 1: heard different things from people. We had Tony Pauline on

489
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Speaker 1: who's a very good draft guy as well. So he

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Speaker 1: thinks that next year's draft, deeper in the draft should

491
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Speaker 1: be better than this year's draft. Deep in the draft,

492
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Speaker 1: like you're going to see more good fifth six round

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Speaker 1: picks because of all the guys who went back to

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Speaker 1: school this year. Uh So, could Trent later in the

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Speaker 1: in the draft if he doesn't like six round picks

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Speaker 1: this year, could he try to trade for fifth and

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Speaker 1: six round picks next year. He talks about value, and

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Speaker 1: that seems to be in line with somebody who likes

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Speaker 1: to try to find a lot of value in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think watching him in this year's

501
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Speaker 1: draft is gonna be fascinating to learn how he likes

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Speaker 1: to operate. Yeah, it will be interesting to see how

503
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Speaker 1: Balky approaches all of it, the draft, the look at

504
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Speaker 1: him because it's an uneven playing field. So how can

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Speaker 1: I judge who's normally going to pop their their final

506
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Speaker 1: season and Cobb when you don't have those things? And

507
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Speaker 1: so how much do you know about the two class

508
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Speaker 1: that comes into play when you're making some decisions. One,

509
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Speaker 1: it's a different landscape. Man, it's more volved or more wild,

510
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Speaker 1: wild West like than I ever can imagine, ever can remember.

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Speaker 1: And you probably know less about that two class than

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Speaker 1: any class in a long, long time, right because they're

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Speaker 1: still sort of young. Yes, it's hard to know who

514
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Speaker 1: sleepers are going to be in that thing. Yeah, it's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a different deal, just a completely different deal. This

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Speaker 1: is the Huddle Up Podcast. J P. Shadrick, Lucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: John Osher. Let's touch on one note around the league.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's not really around the league, around football.

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Speaker 1: It's around the sport, I suppose. But it's a familiar

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00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: name to Jaguars fans and folks in this division and

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Speaker 1: in this place, and then in the past of this franchise.

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Speaker 1: Eddie George. You probably heard of Hian Trophy winner nine

523
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Speaker 1: NFL seasons, over ten thousand yards rushing, four time Pro Bowler.

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Speaker 1: He's revered in Nashville. Of course. He was named head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Tennessee State Tigers there in the Ohio

526
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Speaker 1: Valley Conference now, but he doesn't have coaching experience. But

527
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Speaker 1: it's a trend now to have some former players coaching

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Speaker 1: historically black colleges and universities. Dion Sanders is at Jackson State.

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Wheatley is at Morgan State now former Jaguars running

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Speaker 1: backs coach and a great running back in his own right.

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Speaker 1: Of course, somebody I saw something that kind of struck

532
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Speaker 1: me on this year, the day somebody said, hey, this

533
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Speaker 1: could be another heyday of HBCU football. It will never

534
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Speaker 1: be the heyday of the fifties and sixty when all

535
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Speaker 1: the black football players had to go to black colleges

536
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Speaker 1: they weren't allowed. It was segregated schools, and once the

537
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies seventy one happened, the big Southern schools became desegregated.

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Speaker 1: Those players could go to Alabama and Tennessee and in

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Speaker 1: places like that, and that brand of football wasn't quite

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Speaker 1: the same. There's still players at these schools, Bucky, Yeah,

541
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Speaker 1: but it's different. It's different now, And I guess there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of questions here. First off, what do you

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Speaker 1: think of the move Rattie George? And second there there

544
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Speaker 1: is still quality football play. Yeah, so uh, I think

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Speaker 1: it's a It's an interesting time because you have a

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Speaker 1: bunch of former players who want to be coaches, who

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Speaker 1: a bunch of coaches in general who aspired to be

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Speaker 1: the head of programs, and many of them have cast

549
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Speaker 1: a bad eye or frowned upon going to HBCUs. With

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Speaker 1: Dion going and bringing so much attention to Jackson State,

551
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Speaker 1: it's kind of changed the narrative a little bit because

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Speaker 1: he's elevated the profile in those things. Eddie George steps

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Speaker 1: to a situation that has Tennessee I mean, Tennessee State

554
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Speaker 1: has tradition and has talent. They've been players that have

555
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Speaker 1: come through there, but as a first time head coach,

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Speaker 1: it's a different situation because you're stepping in somewhere that

557
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Speaker 1: doesn't have resources, and so how does he put an

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Speaker 1: infrastructure in place to help him? Well, on the streets

559
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Speaker 1: are saying Jeff Fisher may come on board because it's

560
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Speaker 1: right there in Nashville, has a house. Hugh Jackson could

561
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Speaker 1: potentially come on board to be his office coordinator, and

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Speaker 1: there's some others who could come on board to to

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Speaker 1: help him. But if it's a different it's a different hustle.

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Speaker 1: It's a different hustle than what he's used to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a different situation. And uh, you know Dion Going back,

566
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Speaker 1: Dion's name is so big and so current because of

567
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Speaker 1: the work he did on NFL Network because he's prime.

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Speaker 1: Let gonna say he's Jordan's but yeah, he still has cache.

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Speaker 1: Among the young players. Eddie George, who I got a

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Speaker 1: chance to get to know a little bit tangently when

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Speaker 1: I was covering the Jags a flip to Tennessee a

572
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Speaker 1: lot back when paper still did that. I was around

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Speaker 1: Eddie George a lot and always thought that he could

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Speaker 1: be a coach. His personality, his ability to handle situations,

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Speaker 1: to speak to issues in the media. He had a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a presidential thing to refer to what

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Speaker 1: said earlier. You know, he's got that personality type. I

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Speaker 1: don't doubt that he could succeed in coaching, the communication,

579
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Speaker 1: those things be very good at I don't know enough

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Speaker 1: about Tennessee State to know what his situation will be there.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense to me, though, to hire these name

582
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Speaker 1: guys to do these jobs, because so much of recruiting

583
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Speaker 1: at that level, I would think, is name recognition a

584
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Speaker 1: and can this guy get me some recognition if I

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Speaker 1: am good enough to go to the next level, which

586
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Speaker 1: is always a dream. So there's a little bit of

587
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Speaker 1: that where name recognition, star power makes sense for it.

588
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if about Tennessee State to know

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Speaker 1: if this works Frady George or not. Yeah, and looking

590
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Speaker 1: at it, just popping into their record, they've I mean

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00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: they've been national champions black House national championship champions. I

592
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: mean a bunch of times, maybe twelve times. They've had

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Speaker 1: some notable players, notable teams come through there. When we

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Speaker 1: think about Richard Dent, how about that. Yeah, Binnie Anderson

595
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Speaker 1: is two Tall, Jones, Um, Larry Kennerbrew, they remember Dominic Rogers, Camardis,

596
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Speaker 1: So they've had good players come through there. So he's

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Speaker 1: not just stepping into a program that's not rich with tradition.

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Speaker 1: It's a matter of how quickly can he adapted being

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Speaker 1: a coach, because being a coach is unlike any other

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Speaker 1: thing that he has done. How quickly does he adjusted

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Speaker 1: to that part of it. I was trying to think,

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Speaker 1: since we're gonna have this conversation, the most notable HBCU

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Speaker 1: player in Jaguars history, and I'd have to say mathis

604
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Speaker 1: right cooking. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because they go a

605
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: long way. That's a good play. Yeah yeah, if you

606
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Speaker 1: go all the way back. Former general manager James Shack

607
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Harris always at that time Jackie always invested heavily in HBCUs.

608
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Speaker 1: It was not uncommon to have one or two guys

609
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Speaker 1: show up for opportunities and those things, and it's been

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Speaker 1: a very fertile ground for development for some of these kids.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we all have these success stories with guys

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Speaker 1: that we played with at are but I mean we've

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Speaker 1: seen it and we've seen that those institutions give some

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Speaker 1: guys opportunities and if you can land on one like

615
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Eddie George it if you have some cash or whatever,

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Speaker 1: you can do it the right way. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's the big thing. Dion has gotten partnerships with these

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Speaker 1: companies and a pair of companies and people to help

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Speaker 1: him infuse the program with money and those things. Someone

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Speaker 1: has to do that for Eddie George to give him

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to really be successful. And there is a

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Speaker 1: new showcase game this year for HBCU players, the leg

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Speaker 1: A C Bowl. We played the Saturday after the Super

624
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Speaker 1: Bowl Yulman Stadium in New Orleans on the Tulane campus

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Speaker 1: and that'll be a good spotlight for a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys at that level looking forward to that. Let's wrap

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Speaker 1: up with a few social media questions today, gentlemen at

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Speaker 1: Danton Thomas. With the report of t L I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: that's Trevor Lawrence getting the playbook and processing it. Well,

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Speaker 1: what type of impact will that have on the team

631
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Speaker 1: when they get to O ts, etcetera. Well, we just

632
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Speaker 1: talked about we don't know if just gonna even be that,

633
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Speaker 1: but if he has a step ahead Bucky, that has

634
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: to be a positive thing. There's a reasoning behind it. Yeah,

635
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: there's a reason behind it. He may be able to

636
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: know it like up here, but going through an executing

637
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: in game action is a little different. But let's be honest. Now,

638
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: these guys, these top quarterbacks to hire gurus. The guru

639
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: calls the coach, they get the plays in the playbook

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Speaker 1: in a way, they go and they train, can't hurt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of obvious, but I mean but most of

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Speaker 1: these guys, Uh, once they know where they're going, they

643
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: have an eye idea. Uh not surprising, Trevor, has it

644
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: because you've got to get again. I go back to

645
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: there's a perfect sample of situation. There's no way these

646
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: young guys don't want to be here during the next

647
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: two months to try to learn as much as possible.

648
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: And if they don't want to be here in the

649
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: next two months, try to learn as possible, and then

650
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: you drafted the wrong guy for young players. I'm not

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00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: saying it for I'm not saying it Jack. I don't

652
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: care if he's here in Urbans second year, but for

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00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: this new situation, they need to be here. So I'm

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00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: off topic a little bit. I'm still angry consistent today,

655
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Speaker 1: Coach coach Meyers is poould you in and let you

656
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: drink some of that teal kool aid. You're on it.

657
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: It honestly has nothing to do with that. I'm saying

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00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: for any young player, right man, I get it. You

659
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: want to be an O t A s in may.

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00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to be there, but they should be

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00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: to be J P. John John operates under that voluntary mandatory. Yeah,

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00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: we have a voluntary meeting. You know, here's my ideal,

663
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: O t A. Here's my ideal O T JP. Every

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Speaker 1: player who is not in their second contract, first year

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00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: head coaches, and no senior writers. How about that? How's

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00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: that for a great O T A. That's some fine

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00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: print right there? Ain't there very fine print? Our next

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Speaker 1: question from that, having off Joel and this is a

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00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: little broad buck even stay with us at pick? Do

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Speaker 1: you go with a position you need? Our best available?

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00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: And who are some names you can see sliding the

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00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: that are higher on the board and a lot of mocks.

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00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: I know you see that, we all see a lot

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Speaker 1: of mocks. But is there a great slide this year?

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00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: In your mind? Defensive leaves will get kicked out of

676
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: the first ten pigs because of the fascination with the

677
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and skill guys and those things. So I would

678
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: expect to see some type of defenders fallback. I would

679
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: also maybe that impacts the tackle class where you see

680
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: two distinct divide divisions. Uh, you see Bara Tucker, Sewell Slater,

681
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: those guys go and then you come back down and

682
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: Derek Shaw, Jenkins Mayfield. Those guys are in their own category.

683
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: You'll see some sliders. I think for Jacksonville, if you

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00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: operate under premise to take the best player available, there's

685
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna be plenty of good players available. You just have

686
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: to hand in the card. I do believe they've set

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00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: themselves up where they can lean a lot more toward

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00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: best available and value at that spot given their situation.

689
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a need I think there's a

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00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: reason to reach for a need there, because how much

691
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: is that guy at I say they reach for a

692
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: need and and marriage there from TCU, Well then it's

693
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: not a bad pick. That's fine. But they're not in

694
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: a position roster wise where they're saying, hey, if we

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00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: just get this wide receiver, it's gonna put us over

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00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: the top. So I'd be shocked if they don't get

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00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: a good value mixed their Yeah, it'd be interested. Man. This'

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00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: that's a tough deal. I mean, if we were doing

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Speaker 1: it correctly, if we really had a draft board and

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Jack's prospects, it really should only have

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00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: seventy hundred names. That way, you you prune to treat,

702
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: you keep everything out, and you know exactly who you want,

703
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: you want to target, how you want to manipulate the

704
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: boy to make sure you're getting ranged and get a

705
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: handful of your guys, and then you just have to

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00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna final question today comes from Argentina at Waco Guarena.

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00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: What can we get for the pick trading down and

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00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: with whom would be a great spot? And also in

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00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: addition here my first baby was just born named Noah,

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00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: and he'll be joining me watching Jags draft day. Super hypeer.

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00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the new board. That's fantastic. Well, he doesn't

712
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: want to he wants to trade out. Where would they go,

713
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: Bucky or should they just pick it? You don't want

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00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: to go too far out. If you go, they're gonna

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00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: be teams. They don't want to rush up to get

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00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: maybe the final quarterback or one of the it's here.

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00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: One pass for us is something that it's hard to

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00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: find in the draft. Man, I don't know what you

719
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: can You're about to get that back. It's tough on me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say don't. I would say, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to go too far into thirties. So if I'm trading

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00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: out the second one, I'll fall back into the second round.

723
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Speaker 1: But I don't want to go too far out because

724
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna probably land a good play. Yeah, I agree.

725
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: I don't think you would want to go past I

726
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: think you would want to get in exchange something between

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00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: thirty three and forty five. Those are the two picks

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00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: they have there. I think if you're going back, you'd

729
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: want to stay still in that range because I mean, Bucky,

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00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: you think like they're starters available at that range. But

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Speaker 1: then in addition, what would you want, Bucky, you'd want

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Speaker 1: a third rounder to move. I mean, can get a

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Speaker 1: third rounder to get you to drop that back that far? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you get you have to give a third It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be worth it to me because I prefer players over picks.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather know exactly what I'm getting in him and

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Speaker 1: Hall and wait um. But there's something to that for sure.

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Speaker 1: They're having our social questions. Thank you for the submissions.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday afternoon, we are two weeks away from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. It's almost here, Bucky. We will talk to

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Speaker 1: you again next week. Man, let's get it. John will

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Speaker 1: talk to you later today. I can't wait. I cannot wait,

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Speaker 1: Bucky and John. I'm J. P. Shadrick. Remember to subscribe

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