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Speaker 1: seemed like you were really struggling with all that saltwater

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Speaker 1: You'll probably get that level of experience when you won't

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Speaker 1: get saltwater in your work one anymore. Well, when you

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Speaker 1: Come always down super deep? Got it? Uh? Greg? You

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Speaker 1: I have no clue. No one came in and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: distributor for Rob Allen, ocean Hunter and Master Carpon fans,

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Speaker 1: as well as lightly lightly accomplished competitive spear fisherman. And

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Speaker 1: What do you guys work? You guys work like two

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Speaker 1: about it. It's too you don't want a competition, you know,

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Speaker 1: You're you're a competitive spear fisherman. I'm truly officially retired

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Speaker 1: Serve just piled us up. Kayak weight belt lost. I'm

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Speaker 1: the largest Great Whites that has been sighted was on

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Speaker 1: It was where we started. You guys, to tell me

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Speaker 1: about that. It's not important. So what's your what's your

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Speaker 1: with the idea of sharks because you had a great

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Speaker 1: white take a swipe at you? I did? I did.

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Speaker 1: I was about two miles north of Albion scouting for

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Speaker 1: going to the sticking your head into a hole and

426
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: right for the picking. Uh. And this is something that

427
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about in North how is if

428
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: you we we are starting to push and some of

429
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: it's just training and some of it's just you know,

430
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: learning from other mentors, but we are pushing into deeper realms. Right.

431
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: You know, you talked to someone twenty years ago, very

432
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: very few, if anyone, was was hunting in sixty seventy

433
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: ft water. Well, now you know this last Nationals depth,

434
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's putting you off of you know, traditionally

435
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: the people say points are bad for sharks. There are

436
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: certain areas are bad for sure. Well, yeah, this is

437
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: pushing you off those points. You know, a couple of

438
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: hundred yards plus just like a a place that we

439
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: scouted for know your Nationals. I mean we were I

440
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: think this high spot was like half a mile off

441
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: shore and it dropped off the shot you know it

442
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: was there was a high spot and maybe fifty ft

443
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: but we're doing a lot of diving to what did

444
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: we name that spot? So I think because really when

445
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: we were scouting for this, it was eight to ft swell,

446
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: so we were the whole thing we were planning on

447
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: being offshore. Um. And we were actually with Dennis Hostlers

448
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: and what five time National Change, seven time National Channel man,

449
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: he's snuck two more in there. Um. So we're working

450
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: this and we had to use a live boat because

451
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: we couldn't anchor up because everything was the swell was

452
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: was way too far up. So um, yeah, boat means

453
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: that there's a dude running the boat anchor. Yeah, kind

454
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: of like we did this morning because the anchor or

455
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: the this current was running too well. I think we

456
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: end up diving or dumping Alex off. And then when

457
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: you guys tell the shark tack story, the way, is

458
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: this a shark story? What are you guys talking about? Yeah,

459
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: this is a little side chat between but this is

460
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: about putting yourself in a situation where you are in

461
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: the shark zone. Scientifically, about the great white chat. We're

462
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: half mile offshore on a series of high spots pinnacles

463
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: with drop off on the outside to two feet, and

464
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: it's if you were to look left and right parallel

465
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: with the coastline. There's nothing out there that just open

466
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: ocean both ways. And that's what people didn't do decades ago.

467
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: I forgot that's where we're going with this. It happens

468
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: the spear fisher. We're pushing and there's there's more Great

469
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: Whites than there were ten years ago. Correct, Yeah, allegedly

470
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: they've been protected since the about the mid nineties. So

471
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: there rebounding, rebounding um and we don't worry about it.

472
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: It is what it is. I think, what was the

473
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: last time someone in the state got killed by a

474
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Great White? That was Randy Fry and I don't remember

475
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: of the year, but it's probably been fifteen years. That's

476
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: the difference between this, and that's the difference between this

477
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: and our stuff, because every year someone gets dusted off

478
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: by grizzly couple, a couple of people year year. I

479
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 1: can't speak to Great Whites taking people another fashion, right,

480
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: swimmers or surfers or anything, but people in your community,

481
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: people in our community. The last one that was fatal

482
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: was Randy Fry. I think shark attack fatalities in general

483
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: are extremely low because there's a difference between an attack

484
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: for food and and a bite for curiosity and great

485
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: white for defense. I mean, yeah, that's a big one.

486
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: Great Whites they nibble for curiosity. Yeah, they do. Uh

487
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: what's called a test bite. It's a it's it was

488
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: very gentle. It's a very gentle hit you at twenty

489
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: test bite and that's enough for human flesh two be

490
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: a killer. So that means what to you? Nothing? I mean,

491
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: what can you do about it. I've got medical kid

492
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: on the boat, or always have a medical kid in

493
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: the kayak, that kid on the boat. Most of the

494
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: people I dive with could handle something like that if

495
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: it came down to it. But Again, if you're going

496
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: to think about it and it defines your day, you're

497
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: never going to get in the water. Yeah. I was

498
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: surprised that the degree to which I wasn't thinking about

499
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: it because you guys are probably passed this. But when

500
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: you're in those kelp forests, you know, I made the mistake.

501
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: Recently watched and they had a great white to had

502
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: a camera on it and the the Kelp forest, which

503
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: is some cool footage. Man, water right, this cruise is

504
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: just working your way through the Kelp forest. Man, it

505
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Um. But it's like it's it's kind of

506
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: it's just spooky in there, especially in the waning light

507
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: when we were out last night when the sun was

508
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: going down. That's called the magic hour. Oh, and it's

509
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: just like a spooky atmosphere. It's so funny because you're

510
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: like in spook land with your head down in the

511
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: water and it seems like you're the only person on

512
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: the planet and there's like shadows and it's dark and

513
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: it's a kelp forest and there's little canyons quiet, and

514
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: then you lift your head up and look, it's like

515
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: sunny California. Man. It's like people out like sailboats and

516
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: ship Then you put your head back there like wow,

517
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: it's always scary, and I'm like, oh, I'm in California.

518
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: It's always scary. Back and forth. It's so intimate with

519
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: the And then that when you found that baitball at

520
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: dusk going out there and those rays, the eagle rays

521
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: cruising around you guys saw ego rays. Actually that's sorry

522
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: bat rays. But it's like, if those aren't ghosts of

523
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: of evil people, I don't know what they are. They're

524
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: evil and you die come back as bray at dusk

525
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: we have that looks like that like a joker smile.

526
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: I liked him, but I'm like, how that's evil personified.

527
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: That's like a ghost coming through the water. Yeah. I

528
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: got in front of that wall, right, we have that

529
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: big wall of Blacksmith that we're defining where the current

530
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: was starting to pick back up, and we were sitting

531
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: in front of that. I made a dive, look back

532
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: at the bait wall, looked around, looked up, and two

533
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: coming right over the top, just outlined silhouette right over

534
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: the top, and they just they moved through the water

535
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: so smooth. It's just it's insane. They're just haunting the ocean.

536
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: They're like ghosts sent to haunt the ocean with spookiness,

537
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: and they like the flashers. Oh they're spooky. Does anybody

538
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: eat them? Who eats a ray in the ocean? Some

539
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: people like? Not people like what. Some people actually take

540
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: like a cookie cutter and we'll punch. No, I've never done.

541
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: I've cleaned some. I don't know if they have a

542
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: natural predator. The tastes like scallops. Well, I mean hammer

543
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: heads specialized in him. You don't have those right here, right,

544
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: don't have this here? I thought j'ven all a great

545
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: white sharks targeted them, But those might be sting rays,

546
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: not bad race. I don't know. So early on, I

547
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: uh took a couple of leopard sharks, which are actually

548
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: really good eating with spear, And then Alex was out

549
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: on a trip with me and I'm like, man, you

550
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: know they're right up in the little rocks, you know,

551
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: ten feet of water. Their cruise around in the in

552
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: the stuff. And he's like nope. I'm like, why not, man,

553
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: it's it's good table fair. You should get these. He's like, nope,

554
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I've made my I've made a deal with the sharks.

555
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna screw them. They're not gonna screw with me.

556
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: And he's never taken one, but he just said, nope,

557
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna screw with them. Yeah. It's been a

558
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: good bargain so far. And I've been in some good

559
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: sharky waters, same with Greg. Been in some big time

560
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: sharky waters. But you guys lose your catches two sharks occasionally.

561
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: How's that play out? Fast? Fast, and violent? Depends on

562
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: what type of shark it is. Like, give me a

563
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: scenario when you lose your catch too shark. By the

564
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: time you started that sentence, too, now your catch is gone. Yeah. Yeah,

565
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: it's that fast. And it depends on how many are around,

566
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, if it if it's one, sometimes you can

567
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: kind of fend them off of your catch, but if

568
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: it's more than one, it just can become like a

569
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: true freeding Fanzy. I was offshore of Texas and I

570
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: shot a really big amberjack and there's a lot of

571
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: sharks around. And once that, did you already know the

572
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: sharks were around? Yeah, we're targing. Well. I mean, you

573
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: get comfortable with sharks, you start being able to, you know,

574
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: learn their body language, like any animal. You know, they

575
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: start putting their pectoral fins down, humping their back, swimming

576
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: a little more erratically. It's you start getting a good

577
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: idea of when it's time to leave. Um, something like

578
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: a tiger shark that's a little more calculated. They slink

579
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: in and out of his ability. So sometimes you just

580
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: get in there's a big tiger sharking, and it's just

581
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: let's move. But um, but you don't like to be

582
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: in the vicinity of a tiger shark. Yeah, so I

583
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: was let's change a whole other stuff. Like I was

584
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: on a pinnacle out of South Africa and there was

585
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: four different types of shark on there, and um, there's

586
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: but there's a pretty big tiger shark. And you know,

587
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: most of the sharks you can just you watch them,

588
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, okay, that one's but this tiger shark would

589
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: come up, fade out of his ability. Three minutes later

590
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: he'll be right behind you and within six ft you. Yeah. Yeah,

591
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: they're just very very stealthy calculated sharks. Um bulls. Bulls

592
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: are just super aggressive. I mean, there's there's a lot

593
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: of aggressive sharks, but yeah, there's just a few. They're

594
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: a little a little more of a handful. Big is

595
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: the is the tiger shark to uh fot somewhere in

596
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: there was a pretty healthy when they get bigger than that,

597
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: But that's big enough to Like I said, they're very stealthy.

598
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: So yes, you kind of kind of decide if you

599
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: want to deal with them or not. That particular pinnacle,

600
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: I made the bad, bad move. I shot a kuta

601
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: um and it was just yeah, I actually landed the fish.

602
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: I got the fish on the boat, but I was

603
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: just I threw the fish on the boat and jumped

604
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: in the boat right away, and it was just like,

605
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: oh God. And then I ended up nothing happened. I mean,

606
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: I had a couple of people in the water kind

607
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: of helping me out, but I probably shouldn't have pulled

608
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: the trigger in that circumstance. But um, you learn to

609
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: deal with them. It's just there there, just like anything.

610
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: So when they take your catch, they'll come right up

611
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, I mean there there's times where you

612
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: do not defend your catch. You just like that when

613
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: I was talking about Texas and that was one of

614
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: those things I shot, you know, around a dred pound

615
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: class amberjack. We're actually targeting wahoo and it's in a

616
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: wintertime off of Texas and there's just a lot of

617
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: sharks in there. They're very aggressive in it. So I

618
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: shot a big amberjack. It was big enough where I

619
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: thought I stoned it. I didn't, and it just did

620
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: one or two tail twitches and sank under the mark.

621
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: And once that happened, it was just amberjack handoff. It

622
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: was just shark to shark to shark. Like five minutes

623
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: was my float being dragged around by the sharks. Yeah,

624
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: that's the worst. That's the worst part. The fish so wet,

625
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: your fish is gone. We shoot cable in this situation,

626
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: like a like a five pound multi strand cable, and

627
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: when it's no big deal, they take your fish. But

628
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: in the meantime that cable gets in one of the

629
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: shark's mouse because as they just devour, they're running everywhere

630
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: and now you're a gear is just going and that

631
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: it can take twenty minutes to get your gear back

632
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: and you all you want to do is fish. So

633
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: my floats going that way. I've got to wait for

634
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: the boat. My buddies laughing at me, and my float

635
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: is just running off because the shark is now panicking.

636
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: It was eating the frenzies over and now it's panicking

637
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: because it's caught up in the cable or the cable

638
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: in its mouth. They eventually spit it out, but that

639
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: could be a mile a mile and a half later, Like,

640
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: come on, man, just take the fish. Let me have

641
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: my gear back so I can get back in the boat,

642
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: get back up current, and I can get my own fish. Um, Gregg,

643
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: you said it's on interesting to me yesterday where you

644
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: talked about, uh that free diving or spear fishing. I

645
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: can't remember what you were saying. Reveals all the things

646
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: that are wrong with your body. Absolutely, absolutely, like all

647
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: your problems on the body check. Just go free diving

648
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, that hurts and that doesn't feel good,

649
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: and I drink too much coffee and you're like heart problems,

650
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: breath problems, long issues. It's very tax everything. And that's

651
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: why as you kind of go through the sport, you

652
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: kind of you do this isn't this trip wasn't the

653
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: best example. But um, when you start pushing, you know,

654
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: if you're going to do a serious hardcore dive, you

655
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: tailor your you tailor your diet to that trip. Something.

656
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: If I'm doing a lot of deep diving. I will

657
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: basically hydrate in the morning, maybe a little oatmeal, do

658
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stretching, and I won't eat till dinner.

659
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: I might have a light, light, light snack, but it's

660
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: just hydration all day. Um. And that's that's to defend from,

661
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, acid reflux. That's you know, it's just as

662
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: far as changing metabolism, your stomach having to digest everything.

663
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: It's just it reveals kind of everything funky or how

664
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: your body reacts to different things. And I can drink

665
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: coffee all day long. I go have two cups in

666
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: the morning and go free diving. I will have the

667
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: worst acid reflex ever. That's two things I noticed is

668
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: we I had a cup of coffee one morning, we

669
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: go out, and the reflex, as you explained, is because

670
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: you're you're spending all your time upside down because you

671
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: dive head first, and it's really it's hard to dive

672
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: at an angle. Well, you shouldn't. Generally you should not

673
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: go and you can if you if you like. No,

674
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tuck under this kelp and dive down an

675
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: angle into the reef. That's fine, But generally, depending on

676
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You want to try to go straight up,

677
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: so you're supposed to do that. I started, I started

678
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: to think it was just easier to go straight up

679
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: and down. I mean it just when. Again, it depends

680
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: on what you're doing. If you're if you have a

681
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: link ond hole or you know a reef to check

682
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: at eight ft, you don't want to go to an

683
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: angle because you're gonna add how many feet? It's the

684
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: most efficient way down. But the thing I noticed, and

685
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: when you're gearing up to go down, um, it's like

686
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: a there's a relaxation, calming of your heart and a

687
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: breathing sequence. You go through. One cup of coffee. I

688
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: was okay, and I was having some acid reflux. I'm

689
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: upside down. All your ship from your stomach is coming

690
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: up into your throat. A second cup of coffee, and

691
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: I like a second cup of coffee. I realized that

692
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: I could because you're laying there and you're so focused

693
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: on your heart. I could feel the second cup of coffee. Yeah,

694
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: I'll down. Man. I was gonna tell you not to

695
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: drink the coffee. But I thought, slowly, like that second cup,

696
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: I actually which I was so aware of it, so

697
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: aware of it in the terms of how my heart

698
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: was like just to try and to like call my

699
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: breath and get my heart down. And I think that's

700
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: one of the reasons in free diving you kind of

701
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: start learning more about your bodies because you're it's it's

702
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: like a type of yoga, right, You're focused on your breathing,

703
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: you feel everything, You're kind of and a whole different

704
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: mindset and um, and you're kind of shut off really right,

705
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: You're trying to shut your mind off and slow your

706
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: body down. And that's kind of where you start learning

707
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more of what works and what doesn't,

708
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: because you know something like acid reflex, which if you're

709
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: just running around throughout you might just burp up some

710
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: stuff and go about your day. Where this is I

711
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: mean it is, oh yeah, into your snorkel. Yeah that's

712
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: a drag, man, if you don't lose it. Yeah, well yeah,

713
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: and then I then I outright then I outrighte bombited

714
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: like I'm talking full barrel, full barrel, Like dude, drank

715
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: too much alcohol, having a bad flu. It wasn't pretty

716
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: vomiting and it was coffee color. Did you notice that?

717
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: And then I slipped right in and took fish right

718
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: out from under off. It was nice. No, man, I

719
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: had some full on vomits because I was drinking saltwater

720
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: and I was probably a little bit seasick, which I

721
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: didn't realize happened when you're riding in the waves, but

722
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: mostly drinking salt water, drinking too much coffee, probably dehydrated,

723
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: puking all that junk off to it is miserable. And

724
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: that's one thing hard. You know, when you're traveling a lot,

725
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: spear fishing your first day or two a lot of

726
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: times can be a breaking per because you're traveling, you're

727
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: a little off, you're generally dehydrated, you're tired. It's just

728
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things all at once. But yeah, I

729
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: feel that it's a kind of fitness that you'd get

730
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: that would be applicable to a lot of other stuff.

731
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: Like there's some fitness that doesn't really matter, Like it matters.

732
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: It's cool, you know if you get like your you

733
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: do enough weights for your neck gets all thick and

734
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: ask some people think that's cool, right, but like it

735
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: doesn't translate. But I feel like spear fishing fitness. Yes, uh,

736
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: why you why you give me the labban smirk because

737
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: I want to hear there. They say, yes, yeah, we know,

738
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: we know a lot about fit, but it's different. It's

739
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: not aerobic, it's anaerobic. What do you mean. Yeah, when

740
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: we're running, we're aerobic. It doesn't translate to like it doesn't.

741
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: It's not broadly applicable that fitness. It helps if you're

742
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: a good aerobic uh fitness, it goes along long. That's

743
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: a good point, man, you're not. The goal is to

744
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: not get all high, right, So the physical strength and

745
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: your aerobic strength allows you to recover faster and essentially

746
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: stay in the water longer. And the aerobic strength helps

747
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: your heartbeat because your heartbeat goes through massive changes in

748
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: the dives. The moment you hold your breath, your heartbeet

749
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: goes down, you make your dive, your a million reflux

750
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: kicks in. Your heartbeat goes down further. As you turn

751
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: to come back up and you hit the surface. Your

752
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: that first breath, your heartbeats pikes. For example, you might

753
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: start your dive at typical Let's just take you for example,

754
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: you probably started at nine beats per minute. I have

755
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: no idea, that's your guest, yeahs per minute, Greg, and

756
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: I might be able to get down to about seventy

757
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: five because we're moving a lot right in the water.

758
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: You're probably a ninety. You went down, you probably dropped

759
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: from ninety to the high seventies maybe low seventies through

760
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: your first couple of days here, which is pretty significant.

761
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: When you hit the surface that first breath, your heart

762
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: was probably back to five within seconds, cycling, cycling new air,

763
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: cycling out nitrogen, and then recover. Greg he might start

764
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: a dive at seventy five and might get down into

765
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: the high thirties, low forties because of training. A million

766
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: reflects and he hits the surface, his heart read will

767
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: will spike, cycle through, come back down. So you're aerobic

768
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: strength's huge for that right, tons of pressure on your

769
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: heart and your lungs and your vascular system. Yeah, you know, okay.

770
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Kind of what I meant to was, um, I had

771
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: an observation recent Let me backup. I had observation, we

772
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: see where No, I'll get there, I'll get there. I've

773
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: had a lot of knee problems, and it got worse

774
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: and worse in my head because I thought I needed

775
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: a knee surgery. So then all I could think about

776
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: was how bad my knee hurt. But then I go

777
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: to an rithopedic doctor. He does his old magic, tells me,

778
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: in fact, I don't need a knee surgery. My knees

779
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: look fine. I probably have like a some band that

780
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: runs from your hip. Yeah, He's like, you know, you

781
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: can do some pt but that's it's tugging on there

782
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: and that's why the pain drifts around. And you could

783
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: do some stuff and it's tight. And then all of

784
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, about two days later, my knee problems gone.

785
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: I said, to the honest man, the membrane that separates

786
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: my brain from my body is not very thick. And

787
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: Yanna said, there is no membrane separating your brain from

788
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: your body. So when I mentioned the fitness level, I

789
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: think one of the things I'm thinking about is the

790
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: level of that would be applicable to other things in life,

791
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: Like hunting is the level of uh. There's a high

792
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: level of GUR, like GRR. There's a high level of girl,

793
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: a high level of focus, and a high level of

794
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: um willingness to subject oneself to something that some part

795
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: of your body is thinking, let's just stop doing this

796
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: and go home, Like it's so much easier to not

797
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: go spear fishing. It just it's easier to stay on

798
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: the boat and catch ocean white fish, chunks, the squid,

799
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: the honest face. The whole first day was looked like that,

800
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: just like why in the world would you put? Why

801
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: in the world subject yourself to this? Because when it clicks,

802
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: it clicks, and it's really good. But I mean the

803
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: ability to like do that's thing. And and watching you

804
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: guys the first day we got in so to get

805
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: us up to speed, we went out on't you guys

806
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: explain that what we did to practice the line explain

807
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: the line grabbing. Uh, before you explain the line grab

808
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: and I'll say that right away. When you guys got

809
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: in the water, I just noticed that when you guys

810
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: are you guys are calm and methodical on land. Yeah,

811
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: which maybe you're like very organized, very methodical. I've never

812
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: been called organized. Ties your stuff is organized. You have

813
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: organized brains. Okay, you're like very you're purposeful, you're you're

814
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: you're you're pragmatic. Um, you guys seem like like highly

815
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: capable at a lot of stuff, right right, thank you

816
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: Like you're not like you for instance, you don't drink alcohol, right,

817
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: which is like a thing you've decided. That's just like

818
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: you made a thing, like was there to gain from it,

819
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: was there to lose from it? Like you run calcular,

820
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: like you're calculating in your head, like your life, and

821
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: you seem like that and you get in the water

822
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: and it becomes more amplified. You guys are so like

823
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: calm and slow and deliberate and purposeful. Even when you

824
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: go to put your hand to your nose to plug it,

825
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: it's like you've done that ten thousand times and you

826
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: thought about how one pinches once. Everything just seems so

827
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: like I do it this way, and it's because it

828
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: works good now, it's what it feels like. It's just

829
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: like I get the one. I'm like, right, that's my

830
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: like in my head, it's I'm going. You guys are going.

831
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: It's like in the water. Yeah, I feel like the

832
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: hump For me, it was three days. The first day

833
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: was a lot of that, Yeah, there's too much thrashing

834
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: going around, and then by today I'm just like, yeah,

835
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: just chill, you're in the water. We drove up on

836
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: your link perfectly flat, relaxed. He'd return, He'd return to

837
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: the womb man. If you kick your fins, like if

838
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: you make like a ninety instead of leaving your feet

839
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know what that position is, but

840
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: your toes down below your ankles. That seemed to drag

841
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: my feet down, and as soon as I would kick

842
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: my like with my ankle with my ankles, that would

843
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: make my feet come up right up high. Yeah. It's

844
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot of its body position kind of figuring out

845
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: where how to sit and what's comfortable. You guys said

846
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: you like to lay like a like a log drifting

847
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: in the ocean. Hopefully when you're looking down. Yeah, um, yeah,

848
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: I want you to explain the hand pulling down thing.

849
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: But to get to another point about the calmness is

850
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: I learned how to look at you and know when

851
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: you were going to dive because you look like a

852
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: like a dead seal. Yeah, Like your arms you're kind

853
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: of like you look like a like a somewhat like

854
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: a passing glance. So I'd be like, oh, there's a

855
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: drowned person. Oh yeah, just sort of like floating in

856
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: the ocean. Your arms that kind of go down, and

857
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, Greg's gonna dive, and you just

858
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: look like you're like totally like giving yourself to the sea. Yeah,

859
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's to get your heart rate right. But

860
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: then if I got close to you that I could

861
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: hear the weird breathing like the cleansing breast, but the

862
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: cleansing breast, yeah, and then I can start to listen

863
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: for that. But yeah, you first just looked like it

864
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: like you were dead but going or whatever you're doing

865
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: hopefully slower than that blowing a sailboat, baby paper sailboat

866
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: without making the water ripple. Yeah, But then there's those

867
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: little somewhat hyper breaths he does. He has a cleansing

868
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: breath routine. I don't do that. And the thing that you, guys,

869
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: something about breathing that really stuck in my head is

870
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: when you take your last breath that you're filling like

871
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: three stages. Yeah, you're like filling your balls with air, imagine,

872
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: and then the stomach and then you top it off

873
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: at the tippy top of your chest to be chopping

874
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: your shoulders back. It's a great way to It's like

875
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: you just imagine, just like this empty can evity filling

876
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: from the bottom up with air. I went up liking

877
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: that quite a bit. I know when I do it right,

878
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: there's no resistance. My stomach just floats up. My chest

879
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: opens up right, lower thoracic, upper thoracic. Uh. Little scapulic

880
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: Rotation's word. I like scapulic rotation. And if you could

881
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: see it, you'd really understand it. And it comes up

882
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: and then my neck feels like it gets a little

883
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: And when right when I'm pulling that snorkele out, my

884
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: cheeks just puff and it's just one sack. And when

885
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: I make that dive and I know, oh yeah, I

886
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: clear hands free. Did you notice that? And you get

887
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of that now? And then I do

888
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: I mix it up? Yeah, tell the name of the

889
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: two ways? Clear friends A line valsalva yea, I've been friends.

890
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: I think you're a friends. Now your friends friends, I'm

891
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: hardcore friends. Then man, so yeah, but you do you're

892
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: a little clear at the surface. You start at the

893
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: top and never stop clear clear clear. You don't wait

894
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: till your like years are going to blow up, and

895
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: then decide to clear. Explain how we started out our

896
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: trip started off the trip the long ass boat ride,

897
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: long boat ride. Drank a bunch of coffee. What you're

898
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: not supposed to do? You had a big breakfast and

899
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: large fishing boat, and a large fishing might have passing

900
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: glance resembly yacht. Maybe we might have dabbled in the

901
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: untrained I might look like a yeah, I think the

902
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: definition is thirty nine ft. Anything over could be classified

903
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: as a yacht. Just a bunch of dudes. Uh. So

904
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: we put a line out for you, and this is

905
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: not typical of a spear fishing trip, um, but it's

906
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: a great way to warm up. It's not typical, No,

907
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean your average you're teaching, you're teaching your mentor

908
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: there you go, oh um, And sometimes we will if

909
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: you're if you're planning on doing deep diving on your

910
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: spear fishing trip, you might spend ten minutes throwing the

911
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: line out and doing some pulldowns. But for you guys,

912
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: we set up a buoy at what was it thirty

913
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: two ft? I think it was the bottom somewhere around there, um,

914
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: which the deepest what you've ever been as what fifteen ish?

915
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean in my head, I'd be shocked to hear

916
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: that I dove, because, like I said, in the lake

917
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: where I grew up, the deepest place in that lake

918
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: was twenty three ft. And I don't know that it

919
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: was the deepest hole we went, which is done by

920
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: buckskin bend. But you were now and then dived down

921
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: pass the drop off and stick your hand and experienced

922
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: how cold the muck was on the bottom of the lake.

923
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: But no, I hadn't. I had definitely not dove board.

924
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: So we set the line it, you know, basically one atmosphere,

925
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: probably eighteen feet maybe it was the word if I

926
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: really was going for it. Yeah, And and we put

927
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: the put the wait at about thirty three ft about

928
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: an atmosphere. And the big thing with that is that's

929
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: where you experience your biggest lung compression. So it becomes

930
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: at about that point, that's the biggest part where you're

931
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: equalizing will become harder. Um. So basically set up a

932
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: booye with a line going down to about thirty three

933
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: ft and what you do a bunch of weight, a

934
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: bunch of weight on the bottom, and you need at

935
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: least twenty pounds. You should have twenty pounds that are

936
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more pounds, and the boys just drifting

937
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: with the weight on it drifting. We we tied it

938
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: off to the boat because there was a slight current,

939
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: so it doesn't float off. I mean, it doesn't need

940
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: to hit doesn't need to hit the bottom. You can

941
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: just hang the weight off. Generally, yeah, you generally you

942
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: don't want it on the bottom. Um, you want a

943
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: little off the bottom. And you start by not even kicking.

944
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: And some people actually not even wear the fins at

945
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: this point. They'll just jump in, no fins um and

946
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: slowly start, you know, doing your breathing process. Getting water

947
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: on your face kicks in that mammalian dive reflex, slows

948
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: everything down, and you start pulling down and you start

949
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: equalizing basically every other poll. Right, so you're pulling clear,

950
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: pull clear, like every time your hand comes off clear. Yeah,

951
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: basically clearing anyr way down. And that basically one for

952
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: you guys. A big thing was um we had we

953
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: had talked about clearing with the friends method before, but

954
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: that was to try to see how you guys were

955
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: clearing and to do it inverted. Yeah. Right, you can

956
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: walk around all day upright. Yeah. Well yeah, I mean, Ben,

957
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: we've been friends and all the time in the office

958
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: and everything, we're friends friends friends, but we weren't friends

959
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: and we were hanging each other by the ankles and

960
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: friends like that. Yeah, upside down and add pressure. Body

961
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: starts to do a couple of different things. Check me

962
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: if I want to walk the listeners through what I'm

963
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: talking about, and check me if I want to mess up. Uh.

964
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: To clear property while spear fishing, you need to learn

965
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: how to pop your ears by not without moving your diaphragm.

966
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: That's that's correct. I mean, what do you mean He's correct?

967
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely true, it is. But there's even if you go

968
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: further into the into the like competition world, there's even

969
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: debate about how efficient the friends technique is. But like

970
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: for your everyday recreational person, friendz will is basically okay,

971
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: just let me just do it again, Like, don't don't

972
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: parse hairs. You know, parsing hair is picture taking the

973
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: hairs and slicing the hair four times. All right, you

974
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: do it? You tell people. Okay, So what you don't

975
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: want to do or what you advised me to try

976
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: on a conference call is the other? Is this another

977
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: mentors the mentor moment. This is the fourth problem I've

978
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: had my mentor. Now he's backing out on things he

979
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: explained to me because he's imagining his spearfishing buddies doing that. Yeah,

980
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: but well yeah, that's only part of the story. As

981
00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: a listener, you nailed it, okay, So picture that you,

982
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: the listener, take a moment, grab pitch your nose, and

983
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: just blow with all your might into your ears. Pop lately,

984
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: blow blow lightly to your ears. Pop, Why you give

985
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: me the lavian smirking. It's just watch you do this? Okay,

986
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: And you got that cute voice calling you plug your nose.

987
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: Imagine that if you're doing the friends wal technique. Correct,

988
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: you are doing with your throat what you do when

989
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: gurgling mouthwash, you're shutting off. You are isolating with your

990
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: epiglottis your lungs. Yes. Yeah, there's a horrible YouTube video

991
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: that Greg loves that explains I don't think I loved it.

992
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: It will explain in depth what's going. Greg loves the

993
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: video and loves watching the person does a good job

994
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: explaining what it is. So I didn't think, so I

995
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: didn't learn, I didn't understand it. So I had a

996
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: conference called Greg, thank you yet plug for your dive shop.

997
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: So you so you're gardening mouthwash? So most people struggle

998
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: with being able to know what their soft palet is

999
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: and how to isolate their EPI glasses, and for me,

1000
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: the simplest way to explain is that you know, you know,

1001
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: if you are gurgling mouth wash, you are controlling epiglass. Right,

1002
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: You're basically shutting everything off. If you weren't, you either

1003
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: choke on it or go into your stomach. Right, So

1004
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: it's basically shutting everything off. And that way you can

1005
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: use your basically um EPI glass and you're you know,

1006
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: you're upper respiratory system to clear your ears. Yeah, if

1007
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: you will, the listener can take their tongue, explore the

1008
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: roof of their mouth and if you go where you

1009
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: put a diaphragm, call, that's your hard palet. Go back

1010
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: and there's a little soft area. Why do you give

1011
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: me the smirk again? I'm right now, I'm working my tongue.

1012
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: Bring your tongue back and there's a soft spot back there.

1013
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: If you are doing the Frinzal clearing method, you close

1014
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: your gargling deal, take your tongue and you're kind of

1015
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: driving your tongue up into the soft pallet and creating

1016
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: a little that that's like the feeling that I had

1017
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: and like you're like it's basically air pop in your

1018
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: ears and you're not doing anything with your chest. No,

1019
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: and that that's the big thing is you're basically you

1020
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: want your soft palate, which is if you put your

1021
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: tongue even further back, there's that soft part and that's

1022
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: your soft pellet, and you want that actually in a

1023
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: neutral position. So if you do an example of if

1024
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: you can't isolate your soft palets, if you're doing a

1025
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: nettie pot um, if you can't kind of separate a

1026
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: thing out that netti pottle, either the water will either

1027
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: go into your mouth or go down your throat. If

1028
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: you can isolate your soft palette, it will go in

1029
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: one nostril out the other one. So it's it's learning

1030
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: all the different parts of your your neck, your throat,

1031
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: your soft out, your sinus, is all that other stuff.

1032
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: And the reason this is great, the reason don't so funny.

1033
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: If you keep diving, you won't even remember any of this.

1034
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, I got no idea what you guys

1035
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: are talking about. You just clear I just clear it.

1036
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: But clearing is the obstacle. So when when we first start,

1037
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: it's the number one thing that people separates me from

1038
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: having all of the fish in the ocean be dead

1039
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: and I could clear, there would be no fish left

1040
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: in the ocean. You can't clear. Yeah, thank god, thank god.

1041
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: George scuba dove before he free dove technically and scuba diving.

1042
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: You start to create good clearing habits. You got all

1043
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: the time in the world. Damn hurry, it doesn't matter.

1044
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: You're still creating. The clearing takes as long as a fingersnap, right,

1045
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: So you really don't think about how it's hard to

1046
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: clear it. It is not even something. The one time

1047
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: I think about it is when I get plugged up

1048
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: and at three three it's going my ears like oh yeah,

1049
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: and then I've got a graph for a beginner. But

1050
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: it's in the beginning. It's and I I'm trying to

1051
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: do my dive and I have to stop waste precious

1052
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 1: seconds to turn my head upright to catch a bad

1053
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: If I really had a hard time catching the clear,

1054
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: I gotta like snake around, give my head up right,

1055
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: catch a clear, and then get back into my groove.

1056
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: And that to eats of your time, And that goes

1057
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: back to the point of man, it sure is a

1058
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: lot of work. Yeah, it eats up your time, and

1059
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: that's what keeps you from finding all the fish and

1060
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: shooting them. But I would I would say you did

1061
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: awfully well though, despite and we should probably give you

1062
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: some props eventually, but we might wait. I don't want

1063
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: to gonna want to get into that. Um, I just

1064
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: wanted to be that I'm an aspiring spear fishure. But

1065
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: that's the number one anyways, friends are Clearing is probably

1066
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: the number one thing that will stop someone from being

1067
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: successful and free diving. And if you can't clear, you

1068
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: cannot descend, and it is what will stop you spear fish,

1069
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: but not you guys. Once told me that, like my

1070
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: whole life, people have told me they can't clear. Mhm.

1071
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: But just the thing you have to learn how to do. Yeah,

1072
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's something I think when in our

1073
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: early conversations is said, hey, put your hand on your

1074
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: diaphragm and clear, and you said your diaphragm was clearing.

1075
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: You know that's that's not gonna work. Yeah, explain, just

1076
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: we'll leave this, we'll put this rest. We'll start talking

1077
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: about how you guys hunt plagic fish. But um, why

1078
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: why can't you just use your whole diaphragm? Explain to

1079
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: people what happens? So basically, if you're using your diaphragm,

1080
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: you're using your diaphragm to put pressure on your lungs

1081
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: to move the air up into your basically throw it

1082
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: into your um station tubes to equalize your ear dry.

1083
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: So if you're upside down, one air floats right, so

1084
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: your your air is going to be against your diaphragm.

1085
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: You're having to push it. I think something like it's

1086
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: a it's a long way to push it down to

1087
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: get it down to your head to equalize your ear

1088
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: drums because it wants the goal the other direction it does,

1089
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: and it's trying to go up through your fins basically

1090
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: two toes. Yeah, so um, it'll urt a lot of times.

1091
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: It will work in very shallow water, but not as

1092
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: as you go deeper it will not work. Yeah, and

1093
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: right now you've worked your top thirty feet, you've learned

1094
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: a frienzill No, no, okay, you're you're working on friends.

1095
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: I got better and better and better, and then my

1096
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: ears got weird and funny. Now this is what's going

1097
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: to happen when you break. When you finally break your

1098
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: sixty ft mark, we're gonna have to teach you how

1099
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: to do a mouth fill, so all the air it's

1100
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: available in your mouth has now compressed. People that are

1101
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: very good, that can control the epiglottis, will hold that

1102
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: remaining air in their mouth. People who don't control the epiglottis,

1103
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: where does the air go? Gravity pressure? A lot of

1104
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: time it gets pushed into their stomach and you lose

1105
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: the air. Now you've made your dive, you're down at

1106
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: sixty that's sixty six mask. You've got now add air

1107
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: to your mask, and you have to add air back

1108
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: into your mouth in order to equalize all your open

1109
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: air cavities. So you do what's called a grouper. Like

1110
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: a grouper call right, and that's something not not everyone.

1111
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't grouper, call it depths until you

1112
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: have to get until you get really deep. But some

1113
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: people have to grouper call it sheller depths. Yeah, And

1114
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: I pre load my mouth with air right around sixty six.

1115
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: Always preload, So I've got plenty to deal with. Thinking

1116
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: point right around six where you getting the air from

1117
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: in your lungs, but it's compressed. So we do this

1118
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: group or call. If you were to close your mouth

1119
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: and take a little breast, you got little pressure and

1120
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: now make a group of grunt from your stomach and

1121
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: push it in your cheeks. See that you filled your cheeks.

1122
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: That's a group of call. And then close the upper

1123
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: glottis and now you get to use that air to

1124
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: make your mask comfortable and continue clearing. As you work

1125
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: your way out, your starts wanting to suck your eyeballs out. Oh,

1126
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: it's miserable, miserable. It's it's miserable. And what depth is

1127
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: that happening depends up the wall of your mask. Yeah,

1128
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: it makes a big difference. But for me personally, when

1129
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm diving, I'm preparing my mouth fill adding adding additional

1130
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: air into the mask, and then from there it's smooth sailing.

1131
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: I can then clear comfortably up to problem. But I

1132
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: hit about a hundred. If I don't have enough air

1133
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: in my mouth, I physically can't do another group er

1134
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: gulp because everything is so compressed, I can't get enough

1135
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: air out. So if I don't preload and I've got

1136
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: to stop my dive. Um. I've talked a lot of

1137
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: times over the years about how houndsman like people that

1138
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: hunt with hounds have more hold more units of information

1139
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: in their head than most other kinds of hunters. Okay,

1140
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: there's more units of info in there than other kind

1141
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: of hunters. Uh. I do think that, Uh, spear fishermen

1142
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: have more you have more units of information packed in

1143
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: their head than normal fishermen. I'd agree, because there's just

1144
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: this whole other added thing about staying a live Yeah,

1145
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: a lot of body checks when you're underwater. Right, did

1146
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: you find yourself when you were diving? Kind of going

1147
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: how do I feel? No, but I found myself every

1148
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: time I got in the water feeling like I must

1149
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: have forgot some part of this pleasantly surprised sort of

1150
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: getting the water and be like, oh yeah, my ships here,

1151
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: got the weight belt on the crowds straps. Good mentor

1152
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: historical kind of once you got in. Let's say you

1153
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: got in your mojo and you're out there and you're

1154
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: making your dives. You were out there for a long time.

1155
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: I saw you swim maybe a mile along that reef

1156
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: line and you're working your deal. Well, I'm lost in

1157
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: the world then, but at what point are you diving

1158
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: and going Okay, I feel really good right now. Yeah,

1159
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: that would strike me as I would take note because

1160
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: it was the unusual feeling to feel good. I'd be like, wow,

1161
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: I feel okay, this was? This was? Did you never

1162
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: have a dive when you didn't think about diving and

1163
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: you just dove? No? Was it always very deliberate, a

1164
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: little bit of dresd like not looking forward to it?

1165
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: Why am I like? Maybe I'll just stay at the

1166
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: surface and be like no, because that's like giving up

1167
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: and dying. I need to go back down and like

1168
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: messing my ears. I'll just keep listening to the Darth

1169
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: Vader breath going. Do you do you feel like the

1170
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: Darth Brader when you're breathing? I'm like, why am I

1171
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: breathing like that? Just beat a chill that would for

1172
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: like three breaths and then I cash myself. Yeah, the

1173
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: Darth Vader. But no, I loved it, loved it, But no,

1174
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. I would take note if I felt comfortable

1175
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: a little bit paranoia of the unknown. It's like going

1176
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: through brush. It's like going through thick brush underwater to

1177
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: be in the kelp. It's like the two things you

1178
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: don't want, like in jet life generally, like you don't

1179
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: want to be stuck underwater and you don't want to

1180
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: be in thick rush. But here you are underwater in

1181
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: thick brush with a ceiling above you that somehow you

1182
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: have to penetrate when you come back. Oh yeah, you're

1183
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: underwater trying to scout out a place where you can

1184
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: come up and get a breath, looking for that sunbeam,

1185
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: looking for a sunbeams up through there and get a

1186
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: breath of air. Oh man, okay, talk about hunting plagic.

1187
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: So this is interesting. We kind of covered whole hunting.

1188
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: Hole hunting. Yep, it's its own thing. There's a there's

1189
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: a lot of different styles hunting, uh, pelagics or a

1190
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: whole How how do you you tell me? How do

1191
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: you guys divide the world up? I would say blue

1192
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: water and reef are the big is a brief lit

1193
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: deep brief, deep brief, and then blue water blue water.

1194
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: Let's start with reef people, a rough rundown on what

1195
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: reef hunting is. Let's call reef six and less. Yeah, yeah,

1196
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: sixty ft and lass um. Depends on where you're diving.

1197
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's every every location. The cool thing about

1198
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: the US is it has so many different regions with

1199
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: different species of fish that it's just nothing's the same.

1200
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: You can go northern California is different than Southern California,

1201
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: which is different than you get down into Bahs, a

1202
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: whole another thing. The northeast you getting the striper and

1203
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: dog and all those fish. You go south of there,

1204
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: you getting a whole another set of fish. Florida has

1205
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: both sides that are different sites of fish. It's just

1206
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: I think in the US, the Hawaiians are probably the

1207
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: best reef hunters. Sixty ft and less fast fish. You

1208
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: you have to learn a lot of different techniques based

1209
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: on what you're hunting in in in Hawaii, because it's

1210
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: so sunny and there's such good visibility that you learn

1211
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: to while you're looking down. You learn to look for

1212
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: shadows because so you can stalk fish, so you can

1213
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: put your body in that shadow. Have you ever been

1214
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: on the highway driving along happy as a clam and

1215
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: there's a highway patrolman under an overpath sitting in a shadow,

1216
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, I never saw that guy. Same concept.

1217
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: You stick your body that shadow. I hope you don't

1218
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: get bit by an eel and you wait, right. The

1219
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: Hawaiians are phenomenal with that. Yeah, Hawaiians in Florida, Yeah,

1220
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: Floridians really good Floridians fall more in the deep brief.

1221
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: I mean the Hawaiians of course have a great deep brief. Um.

1222
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: And then doing that kind of hunt, because we did

1223
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: a fair bit of it. You guys. Also you're kind

1224
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: of scouting from the surface a little bit if you can,

1225
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: or you dive down to find the nooks and crannies.

1226
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: You'll go explore. But knows you a lot of times

1227
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: will be looking down and you have a pretty good

1228
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: eye for it. Yeah, because I would watch you looking

1229
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: down when it was good clarity, and I wouldn't see,

1230
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: and then you'd go down and vanish into a hole

1231
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: or vanish into a ledge that I wouldn't recognize. I

1232
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't see that, I wouldn't see the ledge. I wouldn't

1233
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: realize there was like a little hidy hole down there. Yeah,

1234
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: you get an eye for it, Um. I guess I'm I.

1235
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: There's there's a couple of different types of spearfish, and

1236
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: when i'm I'm the one that I will kick a

1237
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: lot until I find I see what I like and

1238
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: and what I can read really well, and then I'll

1239
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: stop and work the area. Some people will just methodically

1240
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: inch by inch work or reef I'll kick until I

1241
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: see something I like, whether it's bait or a certain

1242
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: feature underwater, and you get trained kind of going, you know,

1243
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: the eel grass is laying this way, and you know,

1244
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: you learn how to read it what sways back and forth, going,

1245
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: Oh that's a hole. You know, I'm gonna go pick

1246
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: up that hole, or you just get an efe for it.

1247
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: It's just like anything. It's just like you up up

1248
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: in the mountains. You know, you have an eye for

1249
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: you know what you're looking for and what specifically you

1250
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: want to hunt in. Yeah, like little pockets are the

1251
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: hold stuff. Like in one, you went down, shine a

1252
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: flashlight into it, came and got me, and then we

1253
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: went down together and shine a flash I was like

1254
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: looking into a cupboard. Yeah, and there was a sheeps

1255
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: that hide in there. Yeah. Yeah, And that's uh. You

1256
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: just learn how to read certain reefs and and how

1257
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: to hold on. I mean, I would say divers from

1258
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: northern California are very very good hole hunters because that's

1259
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: that's what we do all day, and that's where you

1260
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: know the good fish are in the holes. The whole

1261
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: hunter ground and pound ground. Okay, move on to plagic.

1262
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: This is the thing that was pretty interesting that we

1263
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: did there. Now we're working with some attractants. We're not

1264
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: chumming because that's all shark thing we're not cool with,

1265
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: but we're using the attracting right. So it's like people

1266
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: generally don't want to chum in shark areas. You'll you'll

1267
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: cut early. It just depends. I mean yellow tail. I

1268
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: don't feel chumming for yellowtail over like a flasher works much. Yeah,

1269
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: it depends on what you're going for. And again, some

1270
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: things you just have to keep simple. Floating flasher nice

1271
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 1: and simple. You throw it out, it doesn't steal. And

1272
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: you have a little throw flasher that you throw and

1273
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: it hits the surface. Explain the floating flash because people

1274
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: are gonna trust me. People not know what the hell

1275
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Like three people will imagine afloat that

1276
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: looks like a chicken. It does, it does, and that's

1277
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: filmed with foam, So your chickens filled with foam. It's

1278
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: got fishing line on it, and hanging from that fishing

1279
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: line are some flashers. It looks like a bunch of

1280
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: fishing luers. Looks like a little spin spinner bait blades

1281
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: exactly and on the bottom. Some like it. What's that

1282
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: thing that we put on the line behind the banana

1283
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: when we're fishing, called a flasher. It's called the flasher,

1284
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: dodgers and flashers, And we like to put a squid

1285
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: on the bottom for decoration, to hide the weight. Oh,

1286
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: that's what he's on there for. And you got a

1287
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: pom pom on the bottom of yours. Yeah, mine's a mine.

1288
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: Looks like a miniature baseball from far away. It does

1289
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: look really good. Yeah, it's a teaser that slays him.

1290
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: It also does really well on my engine prop, doesn't that?

1291
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: Captain george them? So you go out and hang this

1292
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: thing in the water and we float with it. Yeah,

1293
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: like riding the current. Riding the current, relaxing and looking

1294
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: for signs. This is just hovering over the suspended string

1295
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:13,440
Speaker 1: of Christmas ornaments hanging off. They're suspended vertically at about

1296
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: depending on the visibility. Oh yeah, we should talk about that.

1297
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: We put it at a certain height on purpose. It

1298
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: depends on what you can see right on the viz

1299
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: and where we think those fish are going to be.

1300
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: We didn't tell you, but there was a thermal client

1301
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: at about thirty We wanted to stay above that thermal client.

1302
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: We wanted to say above that thermal client for a

1303
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. Number one, we didn't want to spook

1304
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: all of our bait. Our bait were great. You see

1305
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: how happy they were. Tens of hundreds of thousands of

1306
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: tuna crabs, the tuna crabs and yeah, and then the

1307
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: bait bait and then the bait bait. They were happy,

1308
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: they were relaxed. If we kept making repetitive dives underneath

1309
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: them and coming back up, they would get agitated and

1310
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: disperse and disperse, and they would mess up our whole

1311
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: mojo there. So we stayed on top of above all that.

1312
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 1: And that's really good. So we've got our hanging flasher,

1313
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: and then we utilize a throw flasher, which is again

1314
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: our little fishing lure. But we throw it and then

1315
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: it floats down and it reflects very very slowly, like

1316
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: one ft two ft three ft right, and it goes

1317
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: down and it shines, and then we dive down and

1318
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: we get it. We pick it up and we look

1319
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: up town left, right, and then in they come. Now

1320
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: that the art of blue water hunting is being able

1321
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: to see your fish incoming and being prepared for them.

1322
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: Really good blue water hunters can pick out, can start

1323
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: to pick out changes in the in the there the

1324
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: water before the fish actually get there, so we see

1325
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: dark shadows and that allows us to be a little

1326
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: we can make an adjustment, so we can cut an

1327
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: angle a little better. And because this thing is not

1328
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: going to be stopping now and they're moving fast, they

1329
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: blast through. Yeah. So in our blue water we got

1330
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: yellow tail and a bonito. The yellow tail was in

1331
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: a school. I think he had a group the yellow

1332
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: tail I saw I had a group of twenty other

1333
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: fish with them. Bonita, No, the yellow tail. You saw

1334
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: a school with twenty yellow tail? Oh? Did you too?

1335
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: No mine, which I'll get to trust me. It was

1336
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: a two pack and they were lost. I'm just wondering where,

1337
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: where and when you saw that? I didn't hear about this.

1338
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: Twenty pack of yellow tail was right at dust glass

1339
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: what we were doing last night at dusk with the

1340
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: with the ghosts of the evil people swimming around in

1341
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: the ocean. We had multiple schools come through. The first

1342
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: school that came through came through so fast there was

1343
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: nothing that I could do about it. I just let

1344
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: it be. Came back to the surface, read through my flasher, relaxed, flasher,

1345
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: went down. I went back down. Then that school came

1346
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: back around, and I took that first fish, hauled the

1347
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: back of the boat, got him up quickly, threw him

1348
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: in the boat, and went back out. When I was

1349
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: rebanding my gun, I threw my flasher and the school

1350
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: came back around, but this time twice as fast. They

1351
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,839
Speaker 1: were smoking through the water fast fast, and I couldn't

1352
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: get my gun loaded fast enough. So they did their deal,

1353
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: and then we continued to stay in front of the bait.

1354
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: Right the bait kind of created like a vertical wall,

1355
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: and that was where the two currents were merging. And

1356
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing when that happens. And you shot

1357
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: that tasty little oh, that little benito, Yeah, and he

1358
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: comes halling as through. Now that was a school of three.

1359
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,879
Speaker 1: Four came in super quick. I was on the surface.

1360
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: I just rolled the shoulder and let the spear fly.

1361
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: Didn't no aim, no, there's no time for any of that.

1362
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:30,480
Speaker 1: It's purely instinctual, slice him right through the gut. Unfortunately,

1363
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: the spear went all the way through, and they go

1364
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: so berserk that he just wrapped himself up and I

1365
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: pulled him up. Blessed. He was what eighteen inches long?

1366
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: And we ate him in a bath of soy sauce

1367
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 1: and top of teal with some lapino soaked in lime juice.

1368
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: So good, good the yellow tail. Now, I'll tell you

1369
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: my I'll revel you with my uh you can, I'll

1370
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: tell you about the yellow tail story. We were that,

1371
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: like I said, they were lost up against the cliff

1372
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: in how many feet of water? I'd say fifteen twenty

1373
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: was right in the range, but most like your fish

1374
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: was laying in about the ground in fact, And I

1375
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: look and with a nineties sell me send me a gun.

1376
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: And I look and I'm like and they come past me,

1377
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you gotta be shipping me, and uh

1378
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: they're big, Like, well, how big was when I got

1379
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 1: Here's about fifteen I'd say in that fifteen ish range.

1380
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 1: He comes past yellow tail man like a sickle on

1381
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,560
Speaker 1: his tail, and they come past, and I turned and

1382
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: they go out of you, And I'm thinking to myself,

1383
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: I have never in my life caught up with a fish.

1384
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: And I almost was like, yeah, never mind, but I'm like, yeah,

1385
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: I'll try to go over their direction. So I started

1386
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,799
Speaker 1: swimming and catch up with them. Something must have distracted

1387
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: him or something, and they cut left and I shot

1388
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: the one you ment was right there. No, I couldn't

1389
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: find my mentor. Had my mentor been nearby? Um the

1390
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: rest of us heard someone screaming, had my mentor not

1391
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 1: done what he had done to me earlier when I

1392
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: was drowning, which does not be around. In this case,

1393
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: my mentor's lack of attentive cost him a fish. I

1394
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: did put you on that line, though, I said, swim

1395
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: in front of Yes, you did, because the other the

1396
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: other yellow tail in the tupac. This is really startling

1397
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: to me. It was like, have you guys ever hunted

1398
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: Canada geese? Or a double will come over and you'll

1399
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: hit one of the geese, and sometimes you get like

1400
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: three or four pass throughs by the other goose because

1401
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: they made for life, or to put it, they it's

1402
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated. Or let's say someone were

1403
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: to uh shoot a yearling deer. Let's just say and

1404
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: or let's say somewhere to shoot a dough with the

1405
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: yearling deer and then watch the yearling. One could imagine

1406
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: how it might hang around for a while the fish

1407
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: his buddy is just like cutting cookies around me. And

1408
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: at one point time I'm not joking, it past eighteen

1409
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: inches in front of my face, and I'm thinking, Man,

1410
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: a good mentor would be would have just shots, like

1411
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: could put a box of spear gun darts into this

1412
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: thing nowhere to be found. And um, you should feel

1413
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: pretty lucky about that experience because it's pretty It's knew

1414
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: it's insane special the second a half, and I knew

1415
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: that it was special. Um when trying to hail, uh

1416
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: some help to get the other fish. That's what I

1417
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: was originally after he'd get the other fish, and then uh,

1418
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: wanting him to not pull off the spear the whole thing.

1419
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: But once I finally got my mitt on him, you

1420
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: were feeling good too. It was really cool to get

1421
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: a big fish that's good raw that doesn't happen to

1422
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: a freshwater person, big fish that I have been ordering

1423
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: the flesh of for the past twenty five years. And no,

1424
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: when did I start eating like when did I start

1425
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,799
Speaker 1: having like where with all to go to a sushi restaurant.

1426
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: I've been eating the flesh of for twenty years fifteen

1427
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: years and sushi joints and to have that some of

1428
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: a bit in my hand by the gill cover the

1429
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: throat special way where you grab them like up in

1430
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: the paralyzer. Yeah, squeeze, you get them like your hand is.

1431
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: You got your thumb and one through the gills on

1432
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: one side, your four fingers through the gills in the

1433
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: air side, and you're holding his his comma, his hamachi comma,

1434
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: his throat. And then I was like, I cannot believe

1435
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: I got this fish at that point, which is about

1436
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: twenty minutes after I shot. And he did everything right.

1437
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: He took the time, bled it that we did all

1438
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: that later and then after bleeding it, gutted it and

1439
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: then right on ice and it was good. The perfect

1440
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: pathway to your plate. You need tell when you're telefishing story.

1441
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: I only got one. Well, well it's one long one

1442
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: because I shot two, only recovered one, cheap, said, But

1443
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: my mentor stuck with me the whole time right there. Yeah. Yeah,

1444
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: you're like a like a dog in heel him being

1445
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: the owner. Yeah, maybe I don't know what chips are

1446
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: down when you needed them. Yeah, He's like, come over here,

1447
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: I got a fish for you right here. I had

1448
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: to kind of follow if I wanted to spend time,

1449
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: I mentor I had to kind of follow him around.

1450
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: And I go over there, and this is the kind

1451
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: of spear fishing I like, because you just I'm at

1452
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: the surface going and I looked down and I can

1453
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: see there's like a calico bass two sheeps said, and

1454
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: he's like, shoot the sheep said. I'm like, I don't

1455
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,560
Speaker 1: know which one that is with the stripe on it

1456
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: in the big lip. I'm like, oh, I can see

1457
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,839
Speaker 1: him from here. So I swim down shoot him blasted.

1458
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, alexlo to answer that question. You were

1459
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: getting that deep and uh shot him easily and it

1460
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: just went through like the tops of his shoulders and

1461
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: it didn't stick, you know, like the whole blue out

1462
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: at the top. But I was watching him swim over.

1463
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: He immediately like goes in the direction the fish swam

1464
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: and he weaves me over and the fish is going

1465
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: into a crack, and he's like, all right, now you

1466
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: gotta swim down and getting that crack, you'll see him

1467
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: in there. It's dark, but we'll see a silhouette and

1468
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:52,560
Speaker 1: shoot him again. I'm like, yeah, right, having So I

1469
01:23:52,640 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: take like another two minutes swim down. As since I

1470
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: get to the crack, I can just kind of get

1471
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: look underneath it. I gotta go and I go out.

1472
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: So I never even looked into the crack. Really, Alex

1473
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: went down. Did you see him again? I did? I did,

1474
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: but then he squirted out. Yeah. We had We had

1475
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: lobster in there, there were urchins in there. It was

1476
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: a mess inside that hole. We caught a fish sheep

1477
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: said today that had that dart hole on him on

1478
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: the top that a halready healed over. Oh yeah. And

1479
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: then someone and then someone in our party shot a

1480
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: sheep's head that also had two ft leader coming out

1481
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: of his mouth in the hook and his tongue. Did

1482
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: you see that? Yeah, that was calico? I thought, wasn't it? Okay?

1483
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: What was that? Yeah? It was a calico. But I

1484
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: forget who shot the one that had the rusty hook

1485
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: and hunka model coming out of him. No, that wasn't mine.

1486
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: You didn't shoot that with the fishing line coming out

1487
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: of it. I must have been your mentor. He likes

1488
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: he likes a fish that are hurt, track sick fish.

1489
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: You might not want to eat your yellow too. So

1490
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: we we didn't swim much farther. We swim another minute

1491
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: or two and there was another chief set, So I

1492
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: think I actually went down that one, and I didn't

1493
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: get a shot. The first time I was down, he

1494
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: just kind of squirted behind some kelps. I came up,

1495
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 1: got got what do you guys call it, rested, recovered, recovered.

1496
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: I went down again, set up, almost had a shot,

1497
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: didn't get a shot, and I just waited and he

1498
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: just he just swam right back around and turned around

1499
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 1: and gave me a nice I don't know. He couldn't

1500
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: have been five ft. He wasn't as far as away

1501
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: from the tip as the gun is long, that's for sure.

1502
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: It was beautiful because I watched it from the surface

1503
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: and when he went down, in my head, I'm sending

1504
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: him the vibe be patient, because he went down and

1505
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: it looked like he just was gonna go full speed

1506
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: and they might have gonna just be patient, be patient

1507
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: because the fish, they don't like pointing things at him.

1508
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: And then he stopped and he was patient, and that

1509
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: two seconds of patient, the fish just put on the brakes,

1510
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: turned sideways, gave him the perfect shot, penned him to

1511
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean. Fish went shot, went through

1512
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: the shoulder, right out the brain stone perfect yanked him

1513
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: out of the bottom, and now I swam up to

1514
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: the top and then yeah, that was your that was your.

1515
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: That was it. That was my first kill. Yeah, but

1516
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: he got more than after that day, this one fish man. Yeah,

1517
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: you know, we hit we hit a sweet spot when

1518
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: you guys left us and we decided to peel in

1519
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: and stop at another hole. And uh, I had sheep

1520
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: said like I could have shot from the surface, And

1521
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: then I was almost like, well, this isn't right. I'm

1522
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 1: supposed to be diving down, you know. So I let

1523
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: them pass, and then I think I actually saw later

1524
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: once I realized, like what the calico is. It's like

1525
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 1: green with white spots on its back. Once I had

1526
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: figured that out, I was looking back on my memory, going, oh,

1527
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: I've seen like those fish and I've not been shooting them,

1528
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: you know. I just kept looking for something bigger. The

1529
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: day that we were sea bass hunting, I think I

1530
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: saw one. It was a giant fish. So I kept

1531
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: looking for like, this is true, this big stuff where

1532
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: I should have been shooting the Yeah, that's what saves

1533
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot of calico bass lives. Is my inability to

1534
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: accurately judge them. That is an art because a lot

1535
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: of them I'm like, I don't know, buddy, and let

1536
01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: you slide. But no, first I'm clearing my ears. Last

1537
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: two dives I did today, I just felt like it

1538
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: was just constant, just coming out of my ears the

1539
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: whole time as I was going to the bottom. The

1540
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: clear never stopped as I went down, just clearing up,

1541
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: clearing up a storm. So I got that feeling good

1542
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 1: about it. Gotta fish this pretty successful trip. So you

1543
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: feel like you're an aspiring um for sure, I would

1544
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: like to do it some more. Do you feel like

1545
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 1: you wasted your life? See, that's what I'm struggling with,

1546
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: is that I wasted my life. I used to think

1547
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: that being like a mountain hunter. Like I used to

1548
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: think that being a mountain hunter was interesting. I still

1549
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: do not as interesting spear fishing. No, it's a good challenge, man.

1550
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: That's that's what's great about it. It really is. Like.

1551
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: The thing I like about mountain hunting is that a

1552
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: lot of things about it. One thing I like about

1553
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: mountain hut listen to this, So I got an idea.

1554
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: If you if you, if you took your mountain hunting

1555
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: to like some see it's not necessary to do this,

1556
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: but let's just say you have to somehow incorporate like

1557
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: climbing big walls, climbing up big walls where you could

1558
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: fall off and die, and then you had to shoot

1559
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: the mountain. Go. That would be a little a little

1560
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: more like this what I liked about mountain hunting. There's

1561
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: there's three things I know about spear fish and being

1562
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: the new one, riding a bike in Manhattan. In mountain

1563
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: hunting are three things where there's just no we're I'm

1564
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 1: not saying for everybody. It's three things where I just

1565
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 1: think about what I'm doing. Mm hmm. I'm just thinking

1566
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: about There's enough stuff going on, like topography, weather bears,

1567
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: what you know about animals, right, the burning of time.

1568
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: It's like a just I do those things and I

1569
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: just do that and then my mind's not doing anything

1570
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,560
Speaker 1: else and it's very soothing. It's just like I'm just

1571
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: doing that. Yep. I'm not like I'm not engaged in

1572
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: any other bullshit in my head. I'm not like, oh man,

1573
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,560
Speaker 1: I should call my mom more often, you know what

1574
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm just like doing the thing Um, and

1575
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 1: that's why I like mountain hunting. Riding your bike in

1576
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Manhattan is just too dangerous, but I enjoy it. But

1577
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 1: and then now spear fishing, man, but I think that,

1578
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: like I kind of like the food from spear fishing.

1579
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: I don't know how dare dare I say? I almost

1580
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: kind of like it better than eating venison than eating

1581
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: stuff you get mountin hunting, because you know what, a

1582
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is pretty damn similar. Yeah, you

1583
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 1: don't really you don't acquire any food biking in Manhattan

1584
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: unless you stop at Joe's Pizza. No, you started getting

1585
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: them water dogs out of the tanks of hot water

1586
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: that the guys with a little trucks are little carts

1587
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: are selling. But no, discard that when I'm just saying,

1588
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: that's one where you're just no room to think about

1589
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: other stuff. But uh, I kind of like the food

1590
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: from this from this is pretty spectacular. And you guys,

1591
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:17,600
Speaker 1: that's another they I wanted to ask you before you

1592
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: wrap up here. Um, do you guys find like in

1593
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: hunting there's a lot of people that don't they hunt,

1594
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: and you think, like hunting is like a way to

1595
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 1: like get food historically, right, it's probably kind of got

1596
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: into the whole activity as folks. Um, there's a lot

1597
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: of people like the hunt. They only give a shit

1598
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: about the They only give a shit about the food.

1599
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: You know, in your community, there a lot of people

1600
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: who are like big time spear fishermen that don't really

1601
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 1: take care of their fish and and like eating and

1602
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: give it away or is it most people pretty respectful

1603
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: that say, I'd say they're very Um, Like, if we're

1604
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: going on a big trip with several guys and there's

1605
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that don't get a fish there,

1606
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: they're like right there, hey, you know, and like wanting fish,

1607
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean they want everyone wants fish. Everyone takes care

1608
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: of their fish. So you got do you feel that

1609
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: you guys are typical or atypical in that you're always

1610
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 1: making all kinds of like preparations with the fish and

1611
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: eating it this way and this one's good to eat

1612
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: that way, I mean, and like this one's for this,

1613
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: This is great for tempera, this is great to eat raw,

1614
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 1: this is great to broil, this is great to grill.

1615
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: They've all got a lot of your bodies have that

1616
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of way about them. Yeah, definitely, Um, just in

1617
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 1: how they're cook how they're prepared, eating them fresh as

1618
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 1: in raw, you know, just a little quick freeze on them,

1619
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 1: or any seasons, like are the spices sauces that we've

1620
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: made today when we're just on the filt table, you know,

1621
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: as we're cutting them, you know, you're you're ripping, you're

1622
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: rubbing the ribs with a spoon, and we had sauce

1623
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: right there and just eat it and it was just

1624
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: good fresh. You're good cook man, You're like a good cook,

1625
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: like a good like working man's high level cook. Well,

1626
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, you know what I mean? I hope.

1627
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: So it's like approachable, like simple, just really good stuff.

1628
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: It's good. Do we get good? So? Dude, Yeah, I'm

1629
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: a yachtsman, fisherman, fisherman. I think the community as a

1630
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: whole understands that the catches only half m truly, truly.

1631
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 1: I don't think you'd go into any community and run

1632
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: into someone that's actually going after game fish, pelagic fish

1633
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: and already not thinking about how am I going to

1634
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 1: get this iced? How am I going to get at home?

1635
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 1: How am I going to get it prepped? What is

1636
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: it for? I think the community as a whole is

1637
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: is solid when it comes to that because you got that.

1638
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: That's thing like with spear fisherman, you're targeting um kind

1639
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: of like a lot of the most high qualities sought

1640
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: after fish. I know why you like spear fishing because

1641
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: all I mean, I'm like, well, I like like what

1642
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: I talked about the adventure of it, but you missed

1643
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 1: one one major point. It's just there's a little jar

1644
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: and that goes down. But it's a target rich environment.

1645
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 1: You have a lot of choices, and that when we

1646
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: talked to our new spear fisherman, that's really the biggest

1647
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: thing is you're gonna see a lot you've got to

1648
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: You guys pass up a lot of stuff. We pass

1649
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: up hundreds, if not thousands, to select one or two

1650
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 1: or three or four that are what we specifically want.

1651
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: That's thing I noticed about you guys. I'm kind of like,

1652
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 1: let's shoot them all, you know, let's go, let's go.

1653
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: But you guys are kind of like, just it's letting

1654
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: him go. Yeah, soaking the scenery, enjoy it, and then

1655
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: turn on the hunt when you need to turn it

1656
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: on because something may scoot out into a hole and

1657
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: now it's scenior. He's done. Now it's good time. That's

1658
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 1: the fish we want. How am I going to get

1659
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 1: to him without him running? You know? That's target rich environment. Yeah.

1660
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 1: You didn't think we shot a lot either until you

1661
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: started cleaning fish and that cooler back there. No, there

1662
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 1: was a handful in there. But no, you guys, you

1663
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: guys let a lot of fish slide. Yeah, that's the

1664
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 1: best part. My buddy George here says, Yeah, it's like

1665
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 1: bow hunting, only you've got targets all day long. Yeah,

1666
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: like you're saying, otherwise you work all season first shot,

1667
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: but I can attend shots today. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah,

1668
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: I like it. Man. I'm gonna start plotting out my

1669
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: next outing. I'm thinking Baja. See that's where I like. Well,

1670
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: that's where I mess around. That's where I like. He dabbles,

1671
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: No idea we go down there in family vacation. But

1672
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 1: when I go on family vacation, I always go somewhere

1673
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: where I can where. Oh, I always go where I

1674
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 1: could fish. And now we go somewhere where like where

1675
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 1: I can go. Dabble, dabble. How'd you like the ocean

1676
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: white fish here? Great? Just that was rotten in land

1677
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: though good haven't eaten him yet? Like cleaning them. He's

1678
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: playing nice. Yeah, they like catching them, but it's gonna

1679
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: be your favorite, you think, So that's that good? Look

1680
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 1: like a nice filt? What? Why are you laughing? That's

1681
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: the best fish out here? You can't compare to yell tailor.

1682
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: But I mean those are plattic. We're not talking platt

1683
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 1: We're talking reef fish, ocean white fish? Are you doing

1684
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: that because George doesn't want people to know about them?

1685
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: It's it's our secret. Actually there's only one guarantee spot too.

1686
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 1: Um okay, final thoughts. I mean I could go, I can.

1687
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: This could be like a ten part series on spear fishing,

1688
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 1: but one I love really really interesting to me. Man

1689
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: wasted my life? Yeah, I agree. I think looking through binoculars. Yeah,

1690
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: I think looking through a pair of binoculars for an

1691
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: antler that you're trying to pick out in shrub brush

1692
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: is cool. But imagine trying to pick out all these

1693
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: fish when they're cruising through the kelp the same thing,

1694
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: only you're a lot closer, with a lot more opportunity.

1695
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't have to hike us for really, Yeah, you

1696
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: have to swim at you. Guys don't realize it because

1697
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:41,799
Speaker 1: you just used to it. It is extremely demanding, extremely demanding,

1698
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: long day of spear fishing, you sleep really well. What

1699
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: was your average time between putting your head on your

1700
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: pillow and being gone? Just like in three and three nights.

1701
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: It's really demanding. And then other stuff that you don't

1702
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: even think about, like you kind of drifting with the

1703
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 1: current or whatever, and you look in that boat, it's

1704
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 1: like a million miles away. You start kicking through the

1705
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 1: kelt and you look a while later and it's like

1706
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 1: that scene of Monty Python or the dudes running that

1707
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 1: the duds running the animal, the bogus farther keeps getting

1708
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 1: farther away, and you're like, what, so I would get round.

1709
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'd turn over my back so i couldn't

1710
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: even see the damn boat, and I'd kind of get

1711
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: a bearing and just go, and I'd be like, I'll

1712
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: allow myself to look in ten minutes. A couple of

1713
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: times what he was doing. Yeah, I noticed a couple

1714
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: of times when I drove up and you actually gave

1715
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 1: me the way some people give me the nice wave,

1716
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: like hey, I'm here, cool, I'm gonna head on your way.

1717
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 1: You gave me the like come here, monthfucker right right here,

1718
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: right now, because I I octopus said, strip of my

1719
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 1: snor and mentor was nowhere? All right? You got any

1720
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 1: final thoughts, Alex, Yeah, I'll finish off our little final

1721
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: thought process here is that you got to experience the

1722
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: first of the first, which is which is the stepping

1723
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: stone to uh and it's a universe of chasing fish

1724
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: that can take you around this entire globe and you'll

1725
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 1: of the sum of bit just covered in water, and

1726
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 1: you'll meet some of the best people, and you'll go

1727
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: to some of the most amazing places, and you'll uh

1728
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: pick up some of the best cooking and recipes from

1729
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 1: different cultures and just the regular guy that's flaying your fish,

1730
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: and UH, it's pretty special. So I'm stoked to have

1731
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: you in our spear fishing culture. Thank you, ma'am. That's it.

1732
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: Like one of our buddies JP said too, it's not

1733
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: all about the fish. You know, the same thing around

1734
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: a hunt camp brain thing. You get get a group

1735
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 1: of guys common interest doing something that you can get outdoors,

1736
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, see see nature, see the splendor out there,

1737
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,839
Speaker 1: and go get some great table fair. You know, it's awesome.

1738
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: It's like a real team component to it too, you know,

1739
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: yea through your problems. You could put you know, five

1740
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: six guys on us, you know about for three days,

1741
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: and I mean I don't think we had one that

1742
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 1: was pretty entertaining the whole. Well, you did break a

1743
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: very important part on my boat. Let's see, I broke

1744
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: about ten things. George hasn't found two of them, and

1745
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 1: we're not gonna talk about it. I'm pretty sure I'm

1746
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 1: gonna blame it on Yanni after they leave here. But

1747
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 1: you recovered you recovered two anchors aluminum anchor which you

1748
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: found store credit. I found it. I recovered, you found it.

1749
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: I recovered I spotted it and pondered it and thought

1750
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: about damn, the anchor is down deep. Any concluders, Uh,

1751
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,639
Speaker 1: welcome anytime. I think this is the start of your journey.

1752
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 1: I think you have a good intro into it. Anyone

1753
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: that's looking to get into sport, just remember, do a

1754
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: little homework first. Try to find a mentor, at least

1755
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 1: do some research on the internet and talk to someone

1756
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: that's done it. There are some risks to it, but

1757
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's a very very

1758
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 1: amazing sport. Are people in your community going to be

1759
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: annoyed that you're letting that that like by now by

1760
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: taking out like a couple of loud mouths, that you're

1761
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 1: like ruining the whole thing because now every time Dick

1762
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 1: and Harry is gonna pick up a spear gun. I

1763
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: think I think the sport itself will weed out a

1764
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 1: percentage of those people as you saw today. Um, I

1765
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: mean to tell you to the US in the world

1766
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: and when you talk about like New Zealand, Australia, Europe,

1767
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: South Africa, that the US is it's pretty far behind

1768
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: population wise of spear fisher, spear fisher women, but spear

1769
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: fishing in general. Uh, and I will find out, I guess.

1770
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's it's a growing community anyway. It's

1771
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 1: it is a very kind of slowly growing sport, consistently growing.

1772
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of guys that are like

1773
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 1: into mountain hunting that are real curious about spear fishing. Yeah,

1774
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's we all kind of like make each

1775
01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 1: other curious about it. But yeah, don't you think, Johnnie,

1776
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 1: It's like in general, just like a round the guys

1777
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 1: we hang out with We kind of like talk about

1778
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: spear fishing more now than we might have once upon

1779
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: a time. But that's true, Rob, Jeremy and Sergio. I

1780
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 1: want you to come to South Africa. Really all you

1781
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: have to do, all you have to do is pack

1782
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: a bag. All the gear there is waiting rifles. That's

1783
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Rob Rob from Robert Jeremy, Jeremy Williams and Sergio campus

1784
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: is it worth it is? It's good, It's pretty good.

1785
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: But is it better in here? It's it's a better

1786
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: in California's different, different fish. That's the thing about different set,

1787
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 1: different set of yea, you can drive two hours from

1788
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: here in totally different plug your plug your company again. Uh,

1789
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,720
Speaker 1: well you guys don't talking about Ultimate Spearfishing. Ultimate spear Fishing. Yeah.

1790
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: Ultimate spear Fishing is a new project. It was a

1791
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: magazine out of South Africa. We're relaunching it on a website.

1792
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Is the website live? It is live, It's being updated continually.

1793
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's got quite a bit information about

1794
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 1: basic skills and spear fishing. Was originally um, like I said,

1795
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,640
Speaker 1: based out of South Africa and South African divers as

1796
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 1: a whole are are some of the best and most

1797
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 1: hardcore divers out there. So yeah, there's a lot of

1798
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 1: good information on there um and you're bringing the digital

1799
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 1: bringing in a digital there's a lot of the print

1800
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 1: articles online now. Then we're kind of updating it with

1801
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 1: new contribution throughout throughout the Ultimate Spearfish, Ultimate spear Fishing

1802
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: dot and then your outfits called one Again freedo shot

1803
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 1: dot com and yeah, we do both rob Allence spear

1804
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 1: fishing Gear, Ocean Hunter and myster Carbon Fins. So that

1805
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 1: and people just from around the country by at mail

1806
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 1: order too. Yeah we're I mean, we're we're mostly a

1807
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: wholesale company, but yeah, we do. We do have a

1808
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 1: retail outlet in northern California and that was mostly to

1809
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 1: address kind of the local spear fishing community. And people

1810
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 1: can call you up and be like, oh, my thing

1811
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Thing doesn't work. Yet. We're good at fixing stuff,

1812
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 1: good at troubleshooting, good kind of basic tips on where

1813
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: to go, and I dove quite a few places in

1814
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: my lifetime so far. So yeah, I know a lot

1815
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: of people kind of throughout the world and throughout the community.

1816
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: If you're traveling somewhere, I can kind of point in

1817
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 1: the right direction or give you some pointers, all right,

1818
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 1: Greg Fonts, Greg Fonts, George, don't you know your damn

1819
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 1: last name? Oh yeah, I just know George, not yours. Right,

1820
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: I love it. It's okay. You're welcome back into your time,

1821
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 1: whether you know my last name or not. All right,

1822
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: Ryan Rain very French. Thank you all right, guys, thank

1823
01:44:43,360 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 1: you very much. Thank you. Se