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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back, George Norri back with Craig Webb.

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Speaker 1: A dream in consciousness author, researcher, physicist, inventor, professional educator,

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Speaker 1: performing artist, and an award winning filmmaker. His life path

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Speaker 1: was set in motion three decades ago when he nearly

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Speaker 1: drowned on a whitewater rafting trip and suddenly began recalling

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Speaker 1: up to ten dreams a day and having lucid dreams

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Speaker 1: and verifiable visions of the future. Since then, he's graduated

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Speaker 1: from McGill University, participated in pioneering dream and consciousness research

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Speaker 1: at Stanford University, a hospital as well in Montreal. Craig,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. How are you hey? George? Doing great? And great?

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Speaker 1: Do we get to speak? On solstis the longest night

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Speaker 1: of the year, which is good for dreams. Right here

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Speaker 1: we are, that's right, winter has begun and that it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a come in Saint Louis right now, Craig.

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Speaker 1: And it's going to be like zero degrees in a

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Speaker 1: couple days out here. That's cold and the second big

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Speaker 1: storm I think coming, is that right? Yep? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: going to hit the Midwest big time, big time. Tell

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Speaker 1: me why do we dream? The why of it? Huh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a big one. It certainly is really known that

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Speaker 1: dreams come for learning, so we can learn skills. That's

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Speaker 1: sort of proven in the sleep lab. We're actually learning,

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Speaker 1: I guess mentally emotionally. But sleep lab research, especially lucid

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Speaker 1: dreaming research, where we contract the physiology of the sleeping

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Speaker 1: body according to the activities of the dreamer is doing,

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Speaker 1: has shown that we're actually you know, firing the neurons

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Speaker 1: and specific patterns, learning the physical skills, even increasing like

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Speaker 1: white blood cell counts. So learning is a big one

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Speaker 1: learning for sure. Emotional healing with another big one. Creativity.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about that lots and then probably lots of

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Speaker 1: other reasons. Survival, you know, as a I guess the

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Speaker 1: caveman cave woman way back when, it would be great

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Speaker 1: if you could dream up or know about somehow know

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Speaker 1: about the dangers that were outside the cave, or when

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Speaker 1: to go out to find food or that kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: or when the seasons would change, or where the water was.

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Speaker 1: So survival, I guess direct things and probably other reasons too.

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Speaker 1: Are all dreams associated with the brain or outside of

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Speaker 1: the brain. Yeah, I would say at least associated with

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Speaker 1: the body, so the brain being part of the body,

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Speaker 1: but a little bit of a subset, so we dream

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Speaker 1: with their whole body. I would say we dream as

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Speaker 1: the earth, and that's like a bit of a stretch,

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Speaker 1: might be a jump for some people, but certainly there's

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Speaker 1: the Internet where we're all connected, and we dream with

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Speaker 1: and four and about each other. So at least social

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Speaker 1: dreaming happens. But then sometimes we tune into nature, natural events.

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Speaker 1: I guess, perhaps things that we can help protect against

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Speaker 1: or at least know about ahead of times, like some

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Speaker 1: huge tidal waves many dreamers have dreamt about, so we're

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Speaker 1: tuned in. So I think some of the dreams come

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Speaker 1: from the earth, but certainly a lot of the effects.

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Speaker 1: And I guess the cycles, the sleep cycles can be

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Speaker 1: measured directly in the brain. Tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about how you got involved in dream interpretation and

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Speaker 1: dreams especially, Yeah, I guess I don't think I shared

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Speaker 1: this as much with you before. I tell you my

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Speaker 1: story sometimes about my near drowning, where I started suddenly

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Speaker 1: remembering about ten dreams a day, having lucid Dreams Premonitions.

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Speaker 1: But just around that same time, I had picked up

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Speaker 1: a book by Richard Bach. You know the author I'll try,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Livingston Siegal. I think you've had him own before, right,

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Speaker 1: long time ago, Yeah, yeah, And I was kind of getting, oh,

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Speaker 1: Illusions you can sort of attract objects. And later on

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Speaker 1: And the first night I tried, I had a lucid dream.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I just kind of

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Speaker 1: Not bad for a first try. And then from there

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Speaker 1: on I started exploring these these experiences that were coming.

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Speaker 1: But I started researching, so as a physicist, I included

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Speaker 1: Stanford Pioneering Lucid Dream Research where I worked with Stephen

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Speaker 1: serve people with my gifts, unique personal gifts. And then

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Speaker 1: I dreamt of touring the world speaking, I guess on stages,

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Speaker 1: high schools, that kind of thing. And then also on

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Speaker 1: the second half and with tears. You know, you ever

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Speaker 1: woken up with tears on your pillow just from like

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Speaker 1: beauty and joy George, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're walking up

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Speaker 1: a little cheerioide sometimes in my life. Yeah all right,

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Speaker 1: So I guess my interpretation now at the time I

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Speaker 1: creating art. In fact, if you want to celebrate with me,

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky to have this in this film that was

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Speaker 1: inspired during the pandemic by at least one dream. I

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Speaker 1: would say about ten dreams if I include all the aspects.

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Speaker 1: But it's been in I think thirty festivals of Winner

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Speaker 1: at multiple festivals. Honorable mention. I didn't know it, but

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Speaker 1: I guess some of my arts coming out as filmmaking.

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Speaker 1: Good for you? And what is this one called That's

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Speaker 1: Treasure in a Bottle? People can look it up on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: new film that just came out on Netflix called Sumberland Slumberland? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that's an interesting one. Have you checked it out?

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. It's about a little girl

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Speaker 1: the producers, but it's kind of a more modern version

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Speaker 1: of inception. The Dreamers are meeting, going to different levels

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Speaker 1: That's kind of fun. These can people really re enter

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Speaker 1: a tiny bit of science here. We have our sleep

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Speaker 1: in an email, a text message, Hey, dreamt of you.

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