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Speaker 1: You're listening to the second and final part of Unexplained,

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Speaker 1: Season seven, episode twenty two. Jumping into Legend. Before Northwest

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Speaker 1: Orient Airlines Flight three oh five had even made it

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Speaker 1: safely to the ground, the FBI launched what would become

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Speaker 1: one of its longest, most rigorous, and most frustrating investigations

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Speaker 1: of all time. When the plane landed in Reno and

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Speaker 1: agents began sweeping the scene of so called Dan Cooper's crime,

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Speaker 1: they were initially optimistic. Despite the effort to cover his tracks,

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Speaker 1: the man had left behind plenty of evidence to get

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Speaker 1: started with, including ding a clip on tie, an ash

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Speaker 1: of fingerprints, not to mention all the eye witnesses. And

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Speaker 1: although they didn't know exactly where the so called Cooper

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Speaker 1: had parachuted out of the plane, they could make an

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Speaker 1: educated guess. Assuming he jumped shortly after sending Tina into

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Speaker 1: in the Cascade Mountains in either southern Washington or northern Oregon.

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Speaker 1: That said, it was impossible to know the jets' air

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Speaker 1: speed at the moment the man jumped, what direction the

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Speaker 1: on that Thanksgiving Day in nineteen seventy one, police and

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Speaker 1: federal agents began scouring the forests in the area on

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Speaker 1: foot and by helicopter. The search went on for days,

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Speaker 1: slow down by dense fog, and ultimately turned up nothing

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Speaker 1: at all. The so called Cooper, his parachute, and his

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Speaker 1: bag of money had all vanished without a trace, about

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Speaker 1: three thousand miles east of Reno in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: The Bureau began creating a profile of the hijacker. The

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Speaker 1: science of criminal profiling was still in its nascent stages

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one. The FBI's Behavioral Science Unit wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be formally established until the following year, but it was

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Speaker 1: ideal for a situation like this. Profiling means extrapolating an

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Speaker 1: unknown criminal's personality traits by analyzing the crimes they've committed.

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Speaker 1: The more information an investigator has about their methods and behavior,

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Speaker 1: the more useful of profile is likely to be. And

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Speaker 1: thanks to the number of people Cooper interacted with during

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Speaker 1: his heist, the Feds had plenty to go on. They

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Speaker 1: interviewed the whole flight crew and multiple passengers. Unsurprisingly, it

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Speaker 1: who'd spent the most time with the hijacker, who had

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Speaker 1: the best insights. From those interviews, they established the following

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Speaker 1: The man was probably local to the Washington area because

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Speaker 1: he'd recognized the city of Tacoma from the air. He

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Speaker 1: possibly had a background in the Air Force because he'd

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Speaker 1: dire financial straits. Why else commit such an audacious, high

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Speaker 1: risk crime for money, they thought Based on his mannerisms, vocabulary,

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Speaker 1: average intelligence, and all of the eyewitnesses gave similar physical descriptions.

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Speaker 1: The apparent Cooper was a man in his mid forties,

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Speaker 1: investigators began questioning potential suspects. The authorities referred to the

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Speaker 1: hijacker as Dan Cooper because that was the name he'd

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Speaker 1: given when he purchased his plane ticket. Soon after the event,

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Speaker 1: Portland police found a local man with the name D. B.

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Speaker 1: Cooper who had a minor criminal record. This man was

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Speaker 1: eliminated as a suspect almost immediately, but in a roundabout way,

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Speaker 1: his police interview became an important part of the saga.

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Speaker 1: A local reporter, rushing to meet his deadline for the

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Speaker 1: evening paper, accidentally reported the sou SPEC's name as the

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Speaker 1: one used by the hijacker, and so it was from

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Speaker 1: that point on that our enigmatic sunglass wearing hijacker came

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Speaker 1: to be known as the mythic dB Cooper. As the

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Speaker 1: days passed and the story gathered more and more coverage,

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Speaker 1: the dB Cooper mythology only grew. Normally, hijackers were not

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Speaker 1: People were fascinated by him. This seemingly ordinary man in

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Speaker 1: it was unlikely that Cooper could have survived his jump.

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Speaker 1: For a start, it's likely that he had no skydiving experience.

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Speaker 1: Aside from requesting that they weren't military great, he gave

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Speaker 1: in its effort to identify D. B. Cooper. Many of

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Speaker 1: Some had reliable alibis, others didn't match the physical description

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Speaker 1: On April seventh, nineteen seventy two, in Denver, Colorado, a

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Speaker 1: Cooper bordered the United Airlines flight to Los Angeles. Twenty

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Speaker 1: The plane was diverted to San Francisco, where Johnson received

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Speaker 1: another key difference emerged. Johnson gave the pilots a very

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Speaker 1: He then sent all flight crew into the cockpit, took

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Speaker 1: The theory went like this, After carrying out the original hijacking,

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Speaker 1: the autumn of nineteen seventy one, residents of a leafy

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