WEBVTT - [Insert Your Own Catchy Title About Younger Dryas Here]

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should know and what we've got on our hands today.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck is a hot potato of a real deal geological mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>Hot potato. That's how Emily's family says potato.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would only say it when it's preceded

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<v Speaker 2>by hot. I would only say it like like I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say I'm going to have a baked potato, like

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be out of your mind.

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<v Speaker 3>To say it like that. Nor would you say a

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<v Speaker 3>hot potato like what a square?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>That is pretty square, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Get the stick out of your butt, fella, and loosen up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, loosen up, get the card again out from around

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<v Speaker 2>your shoulders.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, jeez, So that was obscure.

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<v Speaker 2>But still so, like I said, this is a mystery today.

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<v Speaker 2>And just to give a brief brushstroke overview with the

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<v Speaker 2>widest brush, real lot of space in between bristles, just

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<v Speaker 2>barely any paint on it. That kind of overview.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>What we're talking about is something called the younger dryis,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a pretty it's a pretty terrible name for this,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to be catchy, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I think a lot of people will

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<v Speaker 3>probably say WTF.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, well, let's just call it the YD. If we're gonna,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're gonna put initials on things, how about that

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<v Speaker 2>or a breath other things? So the YD, the Younger

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<v Speaker 2>Dryas is this this surprising, shocking period in Earth's history,

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<v Speaker 2>fairly recent history, where we came out of the last

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<v Speaker 2>ice Age, everything was going smoothly, and then bam, we

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<v Speaker 2>got hit by another ice age out of nowhere that

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<v Speaker 2>lasts for over a thousand years, and then bam, it

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<v Speaker 2>goes away just as fast as it came along. And

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<v Speaker 2>paleo geologist, paleo climatologist, all the paleos are perplexed as

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<v Speaker 2>to what caused it and then why it stopped so

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly too. That's why I said it is a real

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<v Speaker 2>deal geological mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And a time, as we'll see, where the Earth

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<v Speaker 3>and its inhabitants and animals and nature was all going

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<v Speaker 3>like all right, thank god, we can we can finally

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<v Speaker 3>get down to business and start being an earth, like

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<v Speaker 3>a legit Earth. And then you know, the YDS come

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<v Speaker 3>along and say not so fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and you call it a legit Earth because when

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<v Speaker 2>it finally ended, and actually that period in between the

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<v Speaker 2>last Ice Age and the yd those are like really

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<v Speaker 2>habitable for human beings, Like we love those kind of

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<v Speaker 2>conditions so much so that after the y D ended,

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<v Speaker 2>it became the age of humans. Yeah, like this is

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<v Speaker 2>the this is the age where we began our civilizations,

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<v Speaker 2>we started farming, we began to flourish as a species

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<v Speaker 2>and basically take over the planet. And what's interesting is

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<v Speaker 2>this is the most recent ice age. There had been

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<v Speaker 2>seven in Earth's history and just as and aside, this

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<v Speaker 2>was the Wisconsinian ice Age that we're talking about. The

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<v Speaker 2>last one was two hundred and fifty million years before, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's pretty significant that we, just geologically speaking, came

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<v Speaker 2>out of an ice age because there's not that many.

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<v Speaker 2>And then not coincidentally, when the second to last ice

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<v Speaker 2>age ended, that opened the door for the dinosaurs to

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<v Speaker 2>come along and take over the Earth. So things, big

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<v Speaker 2>things happen when an ice age changes. So for it

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<v Speaker 2>to switch back to an ice age all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden and then switch back to nice and temperate for

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<v Speaker 2>us humans it is just very weird. It was actually

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it described as an extreme weather millennial event.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know, it kind of made me wonder

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<v Speaker 3>had this not happened, because we were sort of headed

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<v Speaker 3>toward you know, legit Earth, like I said before, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it would obviously wouldn't change the year. But

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<v Speaker 3>let's say, as far as longness goes, we would be

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<v Speaker 3>like the year three thousand something, right like, would we

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<v Speaker 3>be just that much further along as a planet or

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<v Speaker 3>would we be nowhere? Because in a thousand years we

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<v Speaker 3>will have already destroyed ourselves the second one. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a good thing this happened, or we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be talking about it right now exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. So yeah, that's a really anthropic way

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<v Speaker 2>of looking at it. Well, speaking of I bought a

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<v Speaker 2>copy of If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies, the Ellie

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<v Speaker 2>is or Yukowski Nate Sores book that just came out.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and did not know about it. You say that

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<v Speaker 3>as if it was just on the tip of my tongue,

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<v Speaker 3>which I appreciate. No, you do.

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<v Speaker 2>We remember I basically mischaracterized it in the Zizians episode

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<v Speaker 2>and had that Oh yeah, okay, that book right about

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<v Speaker 2>building AI and if anyone builds it, then we're all

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<v Speaker 2>going to die, like just the existential threat of AI.

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<v Speaker 2>It is really good. You could read it and if

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<v Speaker 2>you had a a day that you could dedicate to

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<v Speaker 2>reading it, you could read it in a day. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really popularly written, lots of really cool anecdotes. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>very good. So I strongly recommend that book. Great, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's kind of just back it up a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit and go to the previous ice ages of Wisconsinian

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<v Speaker 2>ice Age and talk about what Earth looked like like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it was. It was very icy. There were

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<v Speaker 3>huge ice sheets covering a lot of Earth, like most

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<v Speaker 3>of North America, northern Europe, and Asia. And as we'll see,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the YDS affected the northern hemisphere much

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<v Speaker 3>more than the southern. But also weird things happen in

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<v Speaker 3>the southern hemisphere that don't quite jibe. That's why it's

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<v Speaker 3>such a kind of a strange mystery. But lots of

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<v Speaker 3>ice everywhere. We had barren planes, very harsh conditions. We

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<v Speaker 3>had things like you know, wooly mammos like ice ice

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<v Speaker 3>loving creatures dwelling the earth, and you know human populations

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<v Speaker 3>that were sparse and scattered and constantly kind of moving

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<v Speaker 3>around trying to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And so that the Last ice Age started about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand years ago, and it took about eighty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years to reach its peak point. So twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years ago it hit what's called the last glacial maximum, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it took eighty thousand years to get there and

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<v Speaker 2>then ten thousand years to basically melt. It melted a

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<v Speaker 2>lot faster than it developed. And just like right after

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<v Speaker 2>it peaked, it just started warming up. And it took

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<v Speaker 2>about nine thousand years and all the ice sheets, all

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<v Speaker 2>the glaciers, all this stuff that was covering Earth and

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<v Speaker 2>keeping it and ice age just basically went away. And

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<v Speaker 2>Earth just blossomed into a version that we.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, and it became, you know, not terribly unlike

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<v Speaker 3>what we're looking at now. There was a jump in

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<v Speaker 3>temperatures that was you know, kind of close ish to today.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was called the and I never know how

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<v Speaker 3>to pronounce it's a umla, is it really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm that's all it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So all of our Nordic friends, the circle with

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<v Speaker 2>the the forward slash through or the O with the

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<v Speaker 2>forward slash through. Yeah, that's an um lot right.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I mean I guess we call it the null

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<v Speaker 3>set because it looks like a zero with a slash

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<v Speaker 3>through it, So call it that. I mean, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>really call it that, but that's what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Pronounce it like that, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>What with the oomlount, No, the null set, I would

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<v Speaker 3>know how to do that with the umlaut. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>my best stab would be the berling alarud interstadio.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you nailed it, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot more rain we got to, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>achieved a sea level that's not what we have today,

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<v Speaker 3>but about half of what we have today. With that rain,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously you're going to get a lot of plants. The

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<v Speaker 3>woodlands are thriving. Animals are now are you know, forest

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<v Speaker 3>dwelling and walking alongside things like cave bears and wooly

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<v Speaker 3>mammoths and things are going pretty good. We have Homo

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<v Speaker 3>sapiens at this point, or are the only humans that

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<v Speaker 3>are around this point, and they're like their love and

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<v Speaker 3>life man. They're saying, all right, we can travel a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more and as we'll see, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of dabble stick their toe in, settling here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was actually right before. This was the point

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<v Speaker 2>when people from Eurasia migrated into North America. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is the point where they were cut off. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>go back. There's no going back. They were in North

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<v Speaker 2>and South America now because the Bearing Land Bridge was

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<v Speaker 2>covered up by those rising sea levels which turn it

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<v Speaker 2>into the Bearing Sea. And this time, so remember we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this little period after the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>ice Age, before the yd comes along, where everything seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be going smoothly for humans. This is where we

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<v Speaker 2>started taking our first stabs at agriculture. We're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's try something new. We just came out of an

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<v Speaker 2>ice age. Let's just get as funky as we can

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<v Speaker 2>with it, and we're going to basically take some of

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<v Speaker 2>that energy in that time that we dedicate to hunting

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<v Speaker 2>and gathering and put it in to farming. I just

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<v Speaker 2>made that word up, but let's call it that from

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<v Speaker 2>now on.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what is farming? They're like, you're doing it right now, buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>I see over there picking weeds exactly and tending to

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<v Speaker 3>those wild plants. And that's basically the you know, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of I guess the argument for the beginning of agriculture

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<v Speaker 3>at least, right, Yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 2>We basically said, that's a good looking plant. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>try to make that one grow as well as we can.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. So things are going along swimmingly, people are

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<v Speaker 3>not moving around as much, they enjoy sitting for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time and things like that, and then all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, the yd comes along and the glacial conditions

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<v Speaker 3>return in the broad sense in a very quick way.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how long did it take, Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing was like a thousand years, but we

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<v Speaker 3>reached kind of close to that last glacial maximum in

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<v Speaker 3>about five hundred years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think by one hundred years it was really

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<v Speaker 2>like in full swing. And then yeah, five hundred years

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<v Speaker 2>is basically like the ice age is back.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if they were like, hey, does anyone think

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<v Speaker 3>it's getting colder? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>No, just keep farming and be quiet.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, yeah, just keep planting those plants.

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<v Speaker 2>We should also say Kyle helped us with this, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said that the younger driest came along and spoiled

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<v Speaker 2>the party. That's truer than you would think, because right,

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<v Speaker 2>before this, and that booing all a rod inner stadial

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<v Speaker 2>was when we started making beer too, so that got

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<v Speaker 2>disrupted as well.

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<v Speaker 3>We'd be so much drunker today.

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<v Speaker 2>So another reason we would have wiped ourselves out in

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<v Speaker 2>just one global bar fight. Basically, Yeah, so this is

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<v Speaker 2>this kicks off thirteen hundred years of really really cold

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<v Speaker 2>weather and then all of a sudden it just stops

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<v Speaker 2>and it comes along it like happened starting about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years, five hundred years into it. It was really

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<v Speaker 2>basically back to ice age conditions in a lot of places.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it stopped, it swung back to nice and

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<v Speaker 2>humid even faster. And there's actual ice cores from Greenland

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<v Speaker 2>that show that Greenland in ten years the average temperature

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<v Speaker 2>increased by eighteen degrees farent height ten degrees celsius. That

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<v Speaker 2>is insane and for comparison so the global warming that's

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<v Speaker 2>going on today that scientists are quite concerned about and

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<v Speaker 2>thinking people as well, that's a rise of two degrees

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<v Speaker 2>farent height, not eighteen degrees farent height. Two degrees farentheight

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<v Speaker 2>in about twenty decades. We're talking about eighteen degrees rise

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<v Speaker 2>in one decade. That's how fast this thing warmed up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's super quick. And again, you know, whenever you

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<v Speaker 3>talk about this kind of stuff, you gotta zoom out

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<v Speaker 3>and look at it from a sort of macro point

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<v Speaker 3>of view. But yeah, that's super fast and got super

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<v Speaker 3>hot and also super cold. Previously during the YDS, which

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<v Speaker 3>was named, by the way, after flower the driest octopus octapitala. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>nailed it. And the odd thing about this flower and

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<v Speaker 3>why they named the YDS after it is that it

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<v Speaker 3>thrives in cold Arctic regions. Is one of these flowers

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<v Speaker 3>that loves the ice kind of the mountains of Scandinavia.

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<v Speaker 3>In the late eighteen hundreds, like the eighteen seventies, Swedish

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<v Speaker 3>scientists were studying clay deposits that they discovered, and they

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<v Speaker 3>discovered this flower and they were like, this flower shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be here between these layers of clay. It was deposited

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<v Speaker 3>by melting glaciers. But like, none of that makes any sense, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you've got clay from melting glaciers above it and

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<v Speaker 2>clay from melting glaciers below this flower, and this flower

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<v Speaker 2>thrives in temperatures where the glaciers are not melting at all,

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a huge mystery. And then what made

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<v Speaker 2>it even more mys serious is that was confirmed by

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<v Speaker 2>other clay deposits elsewhere in Scandinavia. So there was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>something weird going on. And they named it younger Dryis

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<v Speaker 2>because there actually have been older dryis before. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was not nearly as much of a bizarre freak as

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<v Speaker 2>the Younger Dryas was.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. So we got the O D, we got

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<v Speaker 3>the Y D. Should we take a break? Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like a pretty good time for a break. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, we'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 4>Jok, Mad, Josh, stop, you should.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, so, Chuck, we've been talking like pretty big shots,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty confident here right.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, a couple of tough guys exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason why we're doing that is because of

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<v Speaker 2>ice core samples a lot from Greenland, also from Antarctica,

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<v Speaker 2>and sedimentation from high altitude European lakes. That's why we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking so tough right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And those are big deals. You can find out

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<v Speaker 3>a lot from an ice core. You can find out

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<v Speaker 3>like basically what it accumulated there, like stuff that the

0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.960
<v Speaker 3>wind blew in there from other places. You know, they've

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<v Speaker 3>got these little little bubbles in that ice, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can trace gases even that were present back then and

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<v Speaker 3>compare to like other parts of the world at that time,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, oh, well they have these gases here, we

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<v Speaker 3>have this sediment here, We have a distinct lack of

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<v Speaker 3>pollen for this period here, which means like probably a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of plant life was killed off and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the lake stuff is super valuable too, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because constantly sediment is accumulating at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>a lake, and very similar stuff's getting trapped down there,

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<v Speaker 2>like air bubbles, soot, pollen, all that stuff, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just gets deposit a year after year, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>actually date that stuff. You can take a sample of

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<v Speaker 2>a lake bottom and date that and then see what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on around the lake at that time too.

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<v Speaker 2>And lakes are advantageous because they're all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Ice shelts and glaciers are not all over the world,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're limited from where you can take ice cores.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also lakes can last like thousands of years,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas if you're reading tree rings, you're reading maybe decades,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a century or two worth. A lake it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you way more than that. So it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>clever the way that they can take this stuff not

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<v Speaker 2>only figure out when this sediment deposit or this ice

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<v Speaker 2>deposit was put down, but also like a lack of

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<v Speaker 2>pollen or what type of pollen means for like the

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<v Speaker 2>world at large at the time. I just think that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool that humans are able to do that, and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't seem to just be making this.

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<v Speaker 3>Up, you know, a very niche nerdy stuff. You should know.

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<v Speaker 3>A T shirt could just be uh lake bottom greater

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<v Speaker 3>than simple tree ring.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a super nerdy. I think that would actually offset

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<v Speaker 2>the be dumb and happy one that you got generated.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so. But just you know, you walk around

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<v Speaker 3>like Comic Con and somebody will say, I know exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what you're doing, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>And they'll they'll just silently walk past you and give

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<v Speaker 2>you the high five and the low five without stopping.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, but it'll be a sort of a nerdy. They'll

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<v Speaker 3>miss the high five won't be quite right. They'll try

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<v Speaker 3>and fist bump you when you put up your hand or.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, or they lock fingers with you on the lof

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys keep trying to.

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<v Speaker 3>God, that's gotta be the worst. I thought the fist

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<v Speaker 3>bump in the hand together was the worst. But when

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<v Speaker 3>you high five and someone holds on and locks fingers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh goodness, I don't know why I think of Oprah

0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Winfrey when does she? Has she ever done that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think she likes to raise people's hands, like they

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<v Speaker 2>just want a boxing match or something.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so we're settling into the YD. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>earlier that the northern hemisphere was one that was really

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<v Speaker 3>affected the most, especially around the North Atlantic. The southern hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk about some weird abnormalities there as well. But

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<v Speaker 3>these ice sheets advanced across the Arctic seed just like

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<v Speaker 3>they did during the Old LGM, the last Glacial maximum?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it glacial or glacial?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I don't know. It depends on whether you say

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<v Speaker 2>potato or patata.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess. So the Rockies here and what would

0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:36.399
<v Speaker 3>later be the United States expanded, the Alps expanded. They

0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:41.600
<v Speaker 3>found very weird things like penguin like creatures in southern Italy.

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<v Speaker 3>Like things were getting really out of whack again, and

0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.040
<v Speaker 3>everyone back then was like WTF.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the like, even if you weren't living in

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<v Speaker 2>an iced over area, you know, basically due south of

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<v Speaker 2>that was tundra, like so western Europe, which is nice

0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and verdant in lush right now, So it was tundra

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. You got grasses, maybe a fox or

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<v Speaker 2>two if you're lucky and you're bored just looking around,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not the most pleasant landscape to look at.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember humans are running around at this time. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we shrunk tremendously as a population, down to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the highest estimate I saw was around ten million people

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<v Speaker 2>across the entire planet at this time.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually we kind of talk about Elba room. But all

0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:33.040
<v Speaker 2>the plants and animals that had started to thrive in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle in between the ice age and the YD

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<v Speaker 2>they died back. And all the animals and plants that

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<v Speaker 2>had died back during that innerstodial period they came roaring

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<v Speaker 2>back and they were like, we loved we love the YD.

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<v Speaker 2>We're happy again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. I mentioned the pollen retreating being evidence

0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.359
<v Speaker 3>of like you know, the tree cover going away, and

0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.840
<v Speaker 3>they found evidence of that an ice core once again.

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<v Speaker 3>This is in the Hulu Cave and chin and it showed,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a drastic reduction in tree pollen, which you know,

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<v Speaker 3>basically you can infer that like, yeah, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>trees died out during this icy period.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And from that you can also infer that there

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<v Speaker 2>was probably less rain because trees helped generate clouds and

0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:20.040
<v Speaker 2>they also helped keep the planet warm. So it was

0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.919
<v Speaker 2>obviously a lot colder and a lot drier. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the two characteristics of the YD And then, like you said,

0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the southern hemisphere experienced something radically different, right, So remember

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.080
<v Speaker 2>northern Europe is covered in ice again, it's tundra right

0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.120
<v Speaker 2>below that. And then if you go down to Antarctica,

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<v Speaker 2>they basically hand you like a lay and a Hawaiian

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<v Speaker 2>shirt and like my tie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so crazy. When I was going through this stuff,

0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.359
<v Speaker 3>that to me was like the big reveal. I mean,

0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.280
<v Speaker 3>I would I'm a big dummy when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff. So I just figured that would have been

0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:02.440
<v Speaker 3>even colder and even worse. But tmperatures actually rose in

0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.040
<v Speaker 3>the Southern Hemisphere, and a lot of the Southern Hemisphere

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:09.240
<v Speaker 3>became warmer and wetter, and the sea surface temperatures increased

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:13.680
<v Speaker 3>in the Caribbean and the tropical Pacific. In the mountains

0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.159
<v Speaker 3>of New Zealand that saw warmer conditions, so it was

0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.960
<v Speaker 3>like everything was kind of upside down all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you also mentioned earlier that it didn't happen

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.600
<v Speaker 2>there were weird pockets here there, which also goes to

0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.159
<v Speaker 2>underscore how bizarre the younger dryest was like, there's a

0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.919
<v Speaker 2>basin around Venezuela and it actually had temperatures drop. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is the southern hemisphere, right, It saw a temperature

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<v Speaker 2>drop of three degrees celsius five and a half degrees farentheight.

0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.600
<v Speaker 2>And every time I see something like that, I'm like, so, like,

0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.359
<v Speaker 2>that's not that big of a deal. Right, It turns

0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.159
<v Speaker 2>out it is a really big deal. Even though to

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<v Speaker 2>you an average winter temperature of fifty five going down

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:58.120
<v Speaker 2>to fifty doesn't sound all that bad, but climatologically speaking,

0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:03.720
<v Speaker 2>any change in temperature, even by half degrees has really

0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.760
<v Speaker 2>huge weather consequences oversay the course of a year. So

0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 2>in this case, dropping by three degrees celsius for five

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<v Speaker 2>and a half degrees farentheight, it might not have seen

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<v Speaker 2>that much temperature wise over an average winter, but it

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 2>also opened up the door for way more freak weather,

0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.119
<v Speaker 2>so they might have gone from like no blizzards whatsoever.

0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe one blizzard a year, two three blizzards a year,

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<v Speaker 2>and that definitely impacts local conditions in the life there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it makes a really big difference, even when you

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 2>see little changes to average temperatures.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure, there were likely some animal extinctions happening.

0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.480
<v Speaker 3>You mentioned the amount of humans, which was at a

0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, probably at an all time high at this point,

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.520
<v Speaker 3>started going back lower and lower. Their available food was

0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:55.360
<v Speaker 3>getting slimmer and slimmer. We mentioned they were dabbing their

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.280
<v Speaker 3>toe in the pond of kind of settling down a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit and not hunting and gathering and traveling everywhere,

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:02.960
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden they had to pack it

0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.760
<v Speaker 3>up and start moving around again to try and find

0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 3>food again.

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:11.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the evidence that people, the human population contracted,

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 2>meaning there was a lot of die off. It shows

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:19.119
<v Speaker 2>up in archaeological sites like the Herrinsburg culture in present

0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 2>day Germany, Austria and Belgium. During the YD the archaeological

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 2>sites dropped by half compared to what they had been

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.399
<v Speaker 2>just before the YD, which suggests that there are a

0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.800
<v Speaker 2>lot fewer people, making a lot fewer camps or villages.

0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 2>And then also significantly in North America. This is when

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.959
<v Speaker 2>the very famous Clovis culture just disappears from the record too.

0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.440
<v Speaker 3>CLOBs, we did a whole episode on the Clovis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they used to pop up a bunch, Remember the

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 2>whole Clovis first Police and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, man, it speels like a thousand years ago.

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 2>It really does. But so this is when they disappeared.

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.000
<v Speaker 2>And they don't think that the Clovis all just died off,

0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 2>but they think that these weather conditions and hardships for

0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 2>living basically just burst them and they started forming the

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 2>prototypes to the bands of Native Americans that we see today.

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. Another interesting thing is in you know,

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 3>sometimes in the times of trouble, there can be human

0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 3>advancement because you're struggling and need to think of better

0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 3>ideas on how to do what you're doing. And it

0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 3>seems like that might have happened with the hunting because

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.880
<v Speaker 3>the animals are more scarce, hunting is harder, the game

0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 3>is just not around. So this is where we saw

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.119
<v Speaker 3>at least one thing that we think might have been

0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.199
<v Speaker 3>in advancement was the Harriff Point h A r I F,

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 3>which is basically a new and improved arrowhead came about,

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.080
<v Speaker 3>and they think it's probably because they were struggling and

0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 3>they needed to kill better.

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it was quite an innovation because the raw

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>heads they were using before were made of dandelion heads.

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 3>I know, and those you know what, the animals loved them.

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>They did. They was like shoot me again.

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, shoot one of those, my way.

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I could use a laugh, right and then also chuck.

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 2>It helps that there were people dabbling in agriculture before

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.159
<v Speaker 2>the yd came along, because it seems to have given

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the people related to them a bit of a leg up,

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 2>like they didn't have to figure out agriculture from scratch

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.919
<v Speaker 2>under these conditions. So in pockets where there was vegetation

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 2>and a decent amount of game, people did settle down again.

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.680
<v Speaker 2>In those areas. There's a place called the Zagros region,

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 2>which is in modern Iran, which shows settlements that were

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 2>basically probably not just hunting camps. They were probably permanent

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 2>or semi permanent settlements. So people did like sit down

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 2>where they could and set up shop. And as a

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.919
<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, some people say, okay, people were kind

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.520
<v Speaker 2>of dabbling in agriculture before, but it was just dabbling,

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 2>and in fact that culture might not have been passed along.

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 2>It is possible that the younger dryas did force humans

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>to basically adopt agriculture, because again, remember, conditions are so

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.680
<v Speaker 2>terrible that whatever leg up you a human can give

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:06.679
<v Speaker 2>to this plant that you're going to eat later is invaluable.

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 2>So that's basically what agriculture is is helping plants along

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to make them grow better.

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know that became a challenge in a

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 3>lot of ways, not just because the ice, but they

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 3>found once again in those ice deposits or the ice cores,

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 3>they found air bubbles with a noted decrease in concentration

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 3>of CO two in the atmosphere. Yeah, and so all

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, these wild cereals that are growing their

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 3>yields are going to be way down. And you know,

0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 3>they had some, you know, for the time, some fairly

0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:44.679
<v Speaker 3>advanced agriculture burgeoning there. They like pest control and like

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 3>watering things, weeding things, transplanting things.

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 2>The basics.

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're very basics, but that's you know, the very beginnings.

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.920
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, this put a big sort of stop sign

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 3>in front of all of that.

0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like imagine being the guy who is watching the

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>other guy pour water out of his gazelle flask. Yeah,

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 2>unto like a like a yeah, like some wheat, Like

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? And they'd say, just just watch,

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 2>just give me a couple of thousand years and you're

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 2>to be blown away.

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you want this water to be beer one day,

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 3>fella exactly. Let me pour it on this this grain.

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>And then it magically turns into beer.

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, shall we take another break?

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I think we shall chuck.

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 4>Chalk had Josh stop.

0:26:36.480 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>You should know, all.

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, we should talk a second about something called solar insulation,

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.959
<v Speaker 3>not insolation, insolation with an O. And this is how

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 3>much solar warmth reaches the Earth's upper atmosphere, and the

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 3>basic pattern of you know, warming the globe is driven

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 3>by this, and the younger dryest is definitely like this

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 3>weird exceptional pocket that stands out. And because of this,

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 3>everyone you know that nerds out on this kind of

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 3>stuff was like, well, we got to figure this out,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, why did this happen? And they have emerged

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 3>with four main hypotheses. The one that has the most

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 3>traction we're going to start with is the melt water

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:47.879
<v Speaker 3>interrupting thermohaline circulation, and that sounds very sort of like

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 3>sciencey and nerdy and like guys. I hope you explained this,

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 3>but it's really very simple. It's that a bunch of

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 3>water disturbed the cycle of the warming cycle of the

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:00.479
<v Speaker 3>ocean very very quickly.

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, specifically in the North Atlantic, which has this thing

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 2>that you mentioned, the thermohaline circulation, which is where warm water

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 2>warm by surface air on top of the ocean falls

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>down into the deep water and as it does it

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>it displaces the cold water which comes up to the

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>top and gets warmed itself. Then it sinks and the

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 2>cycle just keeps going on and on. Right, This is

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 2>how warmth is delivered to the north, the northern hemisphere,

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 2>right those It moves northward, so the warmer sea water

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 2>is always moving toward the north, so it's delivering warmth.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>And at the same time that cold water upwells in

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>the southern hemisphere, so it delivers cold to the southern hemisphere,

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>which is why under normal conditions with the thermohaline circulation,

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 2>the Antarctica is cold, and comparatively speaking, the northern hemisphere

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>is warmer.

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 3>That's right, all right, So park that in your brain

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 3>and then understand that North America at the time had

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 3>this huge seven hundred mile by two hundred mile lake

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 3>called Lake Aga Seas. I guess sure a gasses if

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 3>you're an Andreagacy fan. It developed as the Laurentide ice

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 3>sheet and extended down to the Great Plains and blocked

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 3>the Great Lakes and all the rivers that were flowing

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 3>there backed up, and it formed this big natural reservoir

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 3>that was seven hundred by two hundred miles big. And

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 3>this theory holds. The meltwater theory holds that as that

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 3>last glacial maximum warmed things up, that ice sheet retreated,

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 3>the block passage to those Great Lakes opened up, and

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, billions and billions of gallons of

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 3>freshwater make its way down to the North Atlantic. They

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>think a similar sort of thing happened in the Nordic region.

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 3>But you're like, all right, so that makes sense, But

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 3>was this water like super cold or something. It was cold,

0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 3>but the main thing it did was desaliinate that upper

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 3>ocean water, right.

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so fresh water is less dense than seawater,

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and so a bunch of fresh water mixed in with

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>seawater makes it less dense than it normally would be.

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>And it needs to be dense to fall down to

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>the deep ocean, which makes the other deeper water come

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 2>back up, right. Yeah, So that means that the thermohaline

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 2>circulation is interrupted. And if you have an interruption in

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the thermohaline circulation, it just stops moving. Like that, you

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>would expect to see the Northern hemisphere get cold because

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 2>there's warmth is not being delivered there any longer. You'd

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 2>also expect to see Antarctica warm up because that cold

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>deep ocean water is not welling up around the very

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>southern southern hemisphere. And that's exactly what you see with

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 2>the younger dryas. It's a really beautiful, elegant explanation that

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 2>I think was hypothesized in nineteen eighty two and up

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 2>until very very recently, you were a fringy nut if

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>you believed anything besides that as the explanation for where

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the younger Dryest came from.

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me. But that's

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 3>why I love science, is people keep poking around and

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 3>the fringe nut maybe one day is proven somewhat right,

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and that well, I still think that the meltwater is

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 3>probably the reason why, but one of the other hypotheses

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 3>is the impact hypothesis, and that is, like you said,

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 3>it was pretty controversial until more recently it has gained

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of traction because some things do kind

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 3>of add up. But the idea here is that a

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 3>meteorite or a comet or something impacted the Earth, maybe

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 3>an air burst even, and that released the thermal pulse

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 3>that kind of set the world on fire. Almost like

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 3>all these massive wildfires across all the continents. The air

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 3>spieled with soot. It's blocking sunlight, and in fact there's

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 3>so much soot there's atmospheric dusts such that you reduce

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 3>solar radiation, and all of a sudden you have what's

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 3>called an impact winter or you know, kind of like

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 3>the idea of a nuclear winter.

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, basically the same exact result, but just it was

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>different things that got us there. Right, So there's evidence

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>for this that most people point to is like, this

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 2>is pretty good evidence. There's something called a black mat,

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 2>which is a layer of carbon matter that seems to

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>be a soot deposit that you find all over North

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 2>America and in parts of Europe, and all that suggests

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>that there were wildfires going on on different continents at

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the same time, which would suggest like some sort of

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>massive common or meteorite bursting and setting off this thermal pulse.

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that those things coincide on two different

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 2>continents with the onset of the Younger Dryest has definitely

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>made the impact hypothesis much more popular than it was before.

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 2>One thing detracting from it that probably makes some legitimate

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 2>scientists weary of embracing it publicly right now is the

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>writer in Science, contrarian Graham Hancock latched onto the impact

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>hypothesis because he has this theory, I guess you could

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>call it that that there was an ancient apocalypse around

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the time that the Younger Dryest happened, that wiped out

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>massively advanced civilizations that we don't even know it really existed,

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 2>and reset humanity and then we had to rebuild from there.

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>And there's not a lot of evidence, if any, for

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. It's really really fascinating, but the evidence we

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 2>do have, the scientific evidence we do have, doesn't set

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 2>that up. But anyway, he basically said, see this impact

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 2>hypothesis supports my idea that there was an ancient apocalypse,

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and scientists tend not to agree with Graham Hancock munch. Yeah.

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 3>And the other thing. There's a couple of more smaller

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 3>points that might support this one, as there was a

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 3>platinum spike in South Africa that preceded the YD and

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 3>in some other places, and platinum is you know, a

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 3>lot of time within meteorites, so maybe some support there.

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 3>And also sometimes people kind of combined the first one

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 3>and say maybe there was an impact combined with this

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 3>meltwater thing. So there was a low atmospheric explosion over

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 3>North America and that's what released all this meltwater all

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 3>over the place.

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which makes sense. It's basically like handing in all

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 2>of branch from one hypothesizer to another. You know, let's

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>put it together.

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's go get a drink and just settle it.

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Also, as an aside for remember our Gooblacky Teppee episode.

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's been a while, I don't remember exactly

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>how to pronounce it, we talked about how there was

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 2>this guy who also kind of fringely concluded that some

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 2>astronomical engravings at the site recorded the comet or the

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 2>meteorite burst that happened at this time, which is kind

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 2>of cool. But again, there's not a lot of evidence

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to moving on. There's a couple of other explanations that

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 2>don't have nearly as much traction, but they do make sense.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 2>One is a supernova explosion. Supposedly a star went supernova

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>in the Vela constellation at the right time that could

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 2>have affected Earth by burning away its ozone layer, which

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>would cool the upper stratosphere, which is the second most

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.879
<v Speaker 2>layer above Earth, which would prevent it from holding much

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 2>water vapor. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas, and without

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 2>a very strong greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, heat would

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.840
<v Speaker 2>just go out into space much more easily from Earth

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and it would get cooler as a result. The problem

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:40.919
<v Speaker 2>with this one that I have is wouldn't that happen

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>all over the planet if the ozone layer was burned

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 2>away by a supernova? I think so, So I'm gonna

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna toss that one.

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, nailed it. The last one is another sort

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 3>of example where the Sun is blotted out, so there's

0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 3>a massive drop in temperature very quickly, But this time

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 3>it is because a volcano erupted. A massive volcano. This

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 3>is the Locker C volcano, not ce A. I'm sorry,

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 3>se A, but see, because we all know that Germany

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have any water, right.

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's laying locked.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.319
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, but this is a German volcano. Of course

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 3>we're kidding. That's a reference to an older episode. We

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 3>know all about the Black Sea to hold your emails.

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 3>But this volcano, it was definitely a mega eruption. It

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 3>spewed six point three I mean, what is that? Even trillion?

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 3>What is that?

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 2>That's a cubic kilometers.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 3>So three million cubic kilometers, No.

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Six point three cubic kilometers.

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 3>It's to the third power though.

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>No, so that that's what makes a cubic So if

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 2>you took a kilometer of way.

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 2>And you made it square, and you did six point

0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:59.839
<v Speaker 2>three times, and then you also made it a kilometer tall,

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 2>a cube that's six point three kilometers on each side.

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Just of magma got released from that volcano. It was

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 2>a massive eruption.

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just added myself in a mathematical way.

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, finally you did. I'm the one who does it

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 2>all the time.

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, comparatively speaking, Mount Saint Helens released one cubic kilometer.

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.399
<v Speaker 3>Vesuvius was three and this was six point three. So

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 3>the other interesting thing about this one is volcanoes can

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 3>produce platinum, Yeah, or at least you know, part of

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 3>like groups of platinum metals, and that could account for

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 3>that spike we talked about in South Africa.

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so the volcanic eruption hypothesizers frequently say, hey,

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>how about this. A volcano erupted and attracted a comet

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 2>that blew up over North America, which kicked off the

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 2>melting of the ice caps, which caused circulation problem. Yeah,

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and then the supernova. Person like, what about me, and

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>they're like, sorry, you're not.

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 3>They were dismissing exactly, all right. So that was the YDS.

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 3>I guess we could talk a little bit about what

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 3>happened afterward. Afterward is where we are, the Holycene period,

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.919
<v Speaker 3>and that was when the climate finally worked itself out,

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 3>that pendulum stopped swinging and things started warming up and stabilizing,

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 3>and you know, people started thriving again. The animals came out,

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 3>the birds started chirping, the bees started pollinating, and we

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<v Speaker 3>and it led to you know, the not the modern

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<v Speaker 3>modern era, but just you know, what we know now

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<v Speaker 3>is planet Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the beginnings of our era all find its roots

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<v Speaker 2>in this this time, like, this is where agriculture developed,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where civilization first developed. Writing came along a

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<v Speaker 2>few thousand years later. I mean, all of this happened

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<v Speaker 2>in a really short period of time, Like essentially everything

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<v Speaker 2>that has to do with like human civilization began in

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<v Speaker 2>the ten thousand years immediately following the Younger Dryas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the current shape of our planet happened

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<v Speaker 3>after the Younger Dryas, Like the way the coastlines were shaped.

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned the Rockies and the Alps, you know, those

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<v Speaker 3>mountain ranges all over the world. Even they I was

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<v Speaker 3>about to say, took their final shape that of course

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<v Speaker 3>that's not true, but took the shape that we know

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<v Speaker 3>and love today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's actually one reason why it's difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>track what humans were doing during the Younger dryat because

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<v Speaker 2>the settlements that they had that were closer to the

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<v Speaker 2>coastline than are now under hundreds of feet of ocean

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<v Speaker 2>water and are probably just totally destroyed. So we lost

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of archaeological sites because of that sea level arise.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was a trade off because again we have writing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, and those wild cereals that we talked

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<v Speaker 3>about that we're having such a hard time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>became Captain Crunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and really, hey, is there anything more you need

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<v Speaker 2>to prove that humans have reached peak civilization than that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I guess that's it for the YD, right, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it for now. I mean, who knows what's ahead?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Put? And because Chuck said who knows what's ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>truly it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 3>This is called birthmark episode because I think that might

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<v Speaker 3>have been a selector. Maybe Patrick just listened to it again.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, so that's what happened. Hey, guys, listen to

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<v Speaker 3>that episode again recently? Because I have a birthmark that

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<v Speaker 3>makes me perpetually look like I have a black eye.

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<v Speaker 3>On a regular basis, someone will ask me some variation

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<v Speaker 3>of like who punched you? What happened in your face?

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<v Speaker 3>I used to enjoy giving a clever story as a

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<v Speaker 3>way to mess with them, like getting kicked out of

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<v Speaker 3>a nightclub or squaring off with a bear, But I

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<v Speaker 3>started to feel bad for lying, even to my friends,

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<v Speaker 3>even if only for a minute. So now I usually

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<v Speaker 3>just take the boring route and explain that it's a birthmark.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just subtle enough that friends can go years without

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<v Speaker 3>noticing it even but once it's brought to their attention,

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<v Speaker 3>they can't unsee it. Many don't believe me when I

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<v Speaker 3>tell them it's just a birthmark, and they think I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to cover something up. My mom even told me

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<v Speaker 3>that she was interrogated when I was a child by

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<v Speaker 3>doctors wow, and would get dirty looks from other parents

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<v Speaker 3>when they notice a mark on my face, And I

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<v Speaker 3>feel bad that her experience of my birthmark has never

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<v Speaker 3>been as fun as mine. Anyway. Ever since my wife

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<v Speaker 3>Christine introduced me to your show about nine years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>stuff you should know has been a staple for us

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<v Speaker 3>during house chores and road trips. Your chemistry together is

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<v Speaker 3>very comforting, and we especially like hearing Josh make Chuck laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it right now, Hot Patata. That actually worked. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I'm gonna have to fake a laugh here,

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<v Speaker 3>but you got me.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep up the great work, guys. Thanks for making the

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<v Speaker 3>two of us smile again and again and again. We've

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<v Speaker 3>made them smile three times. All the best from Troutdale, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 3>That is Patrick Burton.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, Patrick, Thank you for that. Patrick and his wife Christine, right, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks to you both, and Patrick, I have to say,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to have a birthmark that's not in

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<v Speaker 2>the shape of Abraham Lincoln, now the place that you

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<v Speaker 2>have it is about as cool as it can be.

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<v Speaker 1>I agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to be like Patrick and Christine and

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<v Speaker 2>let us know how long you've been listening to us

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