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Speaker 1: O La la Loka moorees. Happy New Year's Eve. We

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Speaker 1: hope you're able to bring in twenty twenty six with

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Speaker 1: your loved ones, and we hope you have your grapes ready.

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Speaker 1: Remember twelve grapes at midnight. This time of year is

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Speaker 1: all about goal setting, vision boards, and manifesting. It's also

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Speaker 1: all about self care, which has kind of become a

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Speaker 1: radical self care community care is intrinsic to our collective

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Speaker 1: wellbeing and liberation. We're re releasing an episode from the archives.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, we interviewed a longtime friend, journalist

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Speaker 1: and author Raquel Richard about her book Self Care for Latinas. Together,

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Speaker 1: we unpack the central themes in her book, such as Marianismo,

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Speaker 1: imposter syndrome, and why women, especially Latinas, must practice self care.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's our interview with Raquel Look Radio. Without

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Speaker 1: further ado. We are so excited to bring Launika, the incredible,

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Speaker 1: the beautiful Raquel to Look at Dora Radio. Welcome, Raquel,

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Speaker 1: please introduce yourself and say hello to our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what an intro. Thank you. I'm Raquel.

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Speaker 2: I'm an Orlando based bodyguad journalist and now author.

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Speaker 1: We have been knowing Raquel for a long time now,

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Speaker 1: essentially like the same amount of time I've known you, Mala,

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Speaker 1: like kind of like in the flesh, right, yes, since

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Speaker 1: like twenty sixteen. It all started, yeah, in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and we have seen you grow as a journalist as

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Speaker 1: you for on Look at Dora to talk talk about

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Speaker 1: your book is so incredibly exciting for us. So tell

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Speaker 1: us about this your debut book, right, You've been working

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Speaker 2: First of all, I just want to know I think

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Speaker 2: that I was like one of the first journalists to

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Speaker 2: interview the two of you about this podcast. So like again,

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Speaker 1: Were the first journalist to reach out to us and

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Speaker 1: interview us for Latina Magazine for the online and that

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Speaker 2: So self care for Latinas, I've been describing it as

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Speaker 2: a resource for Latinas hoping to nourish themselves mentally, physically,

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Speaker 2: and spiritually. In the book, there are several self care

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Speaker 2: practices and techniques, and each one is accompanied by data, history,

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Speaker 2: and narratives that really underline why these tools are necessary

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Speaker 2: family separations, ethnic cleansing, sexual violence, mass incarceration. Just that

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Speaker 2: recognition is key in confronting externalizing, healing and arming.

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Speaker 3: Yourself And Raquel, how did the book come to be?

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Speaker 3: Have you always wanted to write this type of a book.

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Speaker 3: How did this opportunity come about for you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So interesting stories. So I've spent most of my

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Speaker 2: Self Care for Black Women, Self Care for Black Men,

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Speaker 2: and they had this title Greenlit Self Care for Latinas

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Definitely what's meant for you find its way to you.

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Speaker 1: So that's so incredible. And I wanted to go back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have always felt that self care is like

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Speaker 2: Like so much of my work has focused on colonialism,

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Speaker 2: And both things can be true, right, Like we can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this section was the easiest for me to write.

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Speaker 2: Someone actually asked if there were more tips in this section,

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, praying over you that you would eat

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Speaker 2: It's wild. It haunts me still.

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Speaker 3: It's also fascinating because it sounds like, you know, like

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Speaker 1: It is so Latino. It's so Latino too, because it

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, of course, like you have been centering

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Speaker 1: Like I loved seeing this and just that whole section

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, locomotives.

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Speaker 4: We'll be right back, and we're back with more of

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Speaker 1: The last section is the spirit section, And I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you about this passage that you have about

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Speaker 1: discovering the heroines of your homeland. So tell us more.

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Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite passages.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in this passage, I write about how we

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Speaker 2: don't often hear or learn the stories of our you know,

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Speaker 2: Latin Latin American Caribbean heroines. We rarely even hear those

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Speaker 2: stories of our heroes, right, and so even less women,

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Speaker 2: And that sometimes makes us think that we don't have heroines, right,

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Speaker 2: but that's not true. We have you know, Latina's both

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Speaker 2: here in the United States and women across Latin America

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Speaker 2: and the Caribbean who have long like stood up against colonialism, violence,

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Speaker 2: who have just pushed back, fought back, used their voices,

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Speaker 2: used their privileges, and then also in various like mediums

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Speaker 2: right from politics to music to communities. We have heroes

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Speaker 2: in our own families, so it's it's necessary to excavate

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Speaker 2: this history and connect and be inspired by these women.

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Speaker 3: Love it, including you you being one of those women. Yes,

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Speaker 3: at this stage, and like as you continue to work, no,

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Speaker 3: for sure, totally you're like you've been killing it for

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Speaker 3: a long time. You continue to do so. We're so

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Speaker 3: proud of you and proud to know you. And I

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Speaker 3: think it's also very exciting that this book is being

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Speaker 3: carried out major outlets.

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Speaker 2: That's wild. That's so wild to me. Like I I

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Speaker 2: was on the phone, so I've just been like, I

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Speaker 2: know that these the book is available online and I'm

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Speaker 2: just like I'm curious, like are like you know, like

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Speaker 2: store funds, like are they selling the book too? And

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Speaker 2: I know like the barn there's a few Barnes and

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Speaker 2: noble nobles like here in Orlando and just across the

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Speaker 2: country that are That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Wow, hometown hero, hometown down, I'm telling you doing it

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Speaker 3: are Orlando's finest.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean you have been putting people on not

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Speaker 1: only like across the US, but specifically I know you

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Speaker 1: rep Orlando really hard. That's your hometown. So that's so

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Speaker 1: exciting to see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all know, I go super hard for Orlando. I

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Speaker 2: when I had when I got my box of galleys,

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Speaker 2: I like five of them and I wrote little notes

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Speaker 2: in them and I put them in little libraries, you know,

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Speaker 2: the little community library box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Cue across downtown to East Orlando, and it's just again,

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Speaker 2: the reception has been really, really beautiful and they've all

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Speaker 2: been taken. So folks out here are our reading. I

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Speaker 2: gave Orlando that that sneak preview.

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Speaker 1: Love the thing. The book is going to travel far

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Speaker 1: and wide. We're so excited for you. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us today. This has been such a

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Speaker 1: long like overdue interview, Like we've been wanting to have

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Speaker 1: you on for a long time now. So I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad our first interview officially is about your book. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you both. I love y'all.

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