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Speaker 1: Hey, congratulations, did Jeff Ken Hall of Famer? Did you

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Speaker 1: see that one coming? Not that he wasn't going to

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Speaker 2: It was just having having a long time?

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Speaker 1: I agree, I've been a very big job. What am

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Speaker 1: I missing at second base? With that kind of it?

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Speaker 2: Was the all time leader in Homers.

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Speaker 3: Just got an m v P. You gotta World Series.

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Speaker 3: It's not forget you forget you got a World Series?

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Speaker 1: Blue Jake, he was on.

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Speaker 2: He was on the one of those teams.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he really?

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Speaker 4: I thought he was.

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Speaker 1: You might be right, but I don't know what what.

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Speaker 2: It was missing?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what what what else he needed to

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Speaker 3: do other than get elected and he was quick?

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Speaker 2: Did he not win a World Series?

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Speaker 1: Crowds h Yes, Wait he got a ring? He was

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Speaker 1: on the he was on Toronto, was on.

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Speaker 1: Wait, oh did he go? He went to the Mets?

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Speaker 1: So did they deal him away? But he got a

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Speaker 1: ring for it?

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Speaker 2: If you're on the team, he got a ring.

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Speaker 1: No, I know that, but I'm saying he wasn't on

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Speaker 1: the team at the end of the year. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: But yes, anyway, point is Kratz. I think we all agree.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Kent deserve to be on there. He wasn't getting

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Speaker 1: as much attention during this exact run. I felt like

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of Don Mattingley and del Murphy talk,

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Speaker 1: who actually got the second most love was Carlos Delgatto.

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Speaker 1: That's another guy I agree, and and Kratz. We didn't

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Speaker 1: get into it's a ton last week. But when you

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Speaker 1: do match up Don Mattingley's numbers in Carlos del Vala,

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, Delgado needs to be in over him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: over Donnie. If we're looking at first base and you're.

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Speaker 3: Going but here's the thing, if you're if we're going

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Speaker 3: mass numbers, right, But for that, for those six or

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, accumulating numbers.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't understand. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, there's a lot of people right now that are

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Speaker 4: saw him play. I know a j played against him.

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Speaker 4: I never played against him. Let's put this way. For

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Speaker 4: him not to have gotten in by now, he must

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Speaker 4: have really had to have pissed in somebody's corn flakes

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Speaker 4: that I don't know about, because I mean, when you're

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Speaker 4: talking numbers like three hundred and seventy seven homers from

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Speaker 4: better than everybody during his era, better than everybody during

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Speaker 4: the steroid era. This dude banged and for him not

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Speaker 4: to have been in was a travesty. But it's taken

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Speaker 4: care of more second basemen, more catchers in the hall.

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Speaker 3: Please agreed. But here here's my other thing. You know, listen,

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Speaker 3: everyone was talking maddingly and Dale Murphy, who I also

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Speaker 3: both believe both of those guys should be in. I

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Speaker 3: just I don't know how certain guys got under five votes.

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Speaker 3: Barry Bonds under five votes. Right votes.

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Speaker 2: The people on this committee can vote for three people.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, So you're telling.

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Speaker 5: By who, though by people in that room, okay, but

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Speaker 1: Well, probably there's more players in the room than anyone else,

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Speaker 1: although there's also front office executives. So you go down

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Speaker 2: That's okay, what what category is that?

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Speaker 3: And there's here's here's the problem I have with this.

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Speaker 3: The players on this committee players, okay, And I looked

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Speaker 2: If you did it before, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But for these former players that were sitting in this room,

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Speaker 1: That's a different category though, why They're gonna tell you

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Speaker 2: It's the same exact thing.

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Speaker 3: They took a ped that is now, So if you

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Speaker 3: And I was again, I was in the middle of this.

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Speaker 3: More guys took those than they did, and that's why

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Speaker 3: Guys were like, oh, man, I gotta get on adderall.

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Speaker 2: You were again, this is my whole argument.

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Speaker 3: If you took anything illegal, that is illegal and not

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Speaker 3: A greenee you can't just get right, and there was

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Speaker 1: Rose, you got to draw some type of line.

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Speaker 2: It's the same.

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Speaker 1: It don't pay for you to categorize. So you're saying

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, okay, and there now now they're banned.

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Speaker 3: If if it's not a performance enhancing drug, why do

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Speaker 2: You're still get a penalty.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, Now, if if you get caught using greenies,

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Speaker 3: Sorry, But to me, that's the problem I held with

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Speaker 2: Was, so please don't use that against me.

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Speaker 3: But to me, if I'm as a former player, right,

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Speaker 3: I look at it and I say, okay, I know

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Speaker 3: I took a green. I did one.

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Speaker 2: I took one green.

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Speaker 1: And say that Royds looked at differently. And I'm just

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Speaker 1: But for Charge the Mound today, I think it is

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Speaker 2: I think you do. I think he's that guy.

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Speaker 1: So if that's the case, what happens here? And is

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Speaker 1: competitive offers. This is not going to be that they

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Speaker 1: like Jim Boden said, you need to offer six at

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Speaker 4: All right, well, you you made two comments there, one

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Speaker 3: Hey, I got a question for your crotzy. We're talking

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Speaker 1: That's the answer. You're asking crats to ask me. I'm

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Speaker 1: That's why there thousand billion percent the answer. They have

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Speaker 3: Has any Mark just put a great point in the chat?

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Speaker 3: No team ever has been more eager to tell everyone

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Speaker 3: What Jim Boden said was the best thing ever, because

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's it. I want to be different. I want

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Speaker 2: We tried on Naylor. We tried were the fifteen million

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Speaker 1: They didn't actually formally even make the offer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so you're, hey, that's cute.

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Speaker 1: And the one good thing Crats I don't want to

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Speaker 4: Yes, I agree with you. I think they're going to

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Speaker 4: who has ever needed to do this? Who has ever

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Speaker 4: So you've got to make this. You got to make

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Speaker 2: Agreed.

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Speaker 3: What did Jim Buden say about the Tigers. They went

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Speaker 3: out and got Maglio the next year, And in two

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Speaker 2: And it was like, Wow, the Tigers are really trying.

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Speaker 3: And then when they made another run, they went out

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Speaker 1: Right, you can change the narrative pretty quick, pretty quickly,

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Speaker 4: And with schemes, and with schemes like looking.

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Speaker 1: You have a top two pitcher in the sport.

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Speaker 4: I'll say I'll say that the Pirates may even be

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Speaker 1: Okay, AJ mentioned the Tigers, Let's go there next. By far,

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Speaker 1: the biggest trade would be if Trek Scouble gets moved,

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Speaker 1: There's no obligation for anything to happen during these three days.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's chaos, sometimes nothing happens. Just letting you know.

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Speaker 1: It's not like there's some deadline or something. But we're

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Speaker 1: You have the best pitcher in the American League. Well,

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Speaker 1: Who's going for him?

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Speaker 2: Dodgers Yankees?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, if the Dodgers get Dodgers get Trekschoob, they're

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Speaker 1: Because that's the thing. I mean, they pick at the

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Speaker 4: I mean, in my opinion, like you stopped at you

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Speaker 4: There's there's even small market teams. You're talking about a trade.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about the that you have a guy who

437
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Speaker 4: took a team who when you take him off of

438
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Speaker 4: that team doesn't make the playoffs, when you take him

439
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Speaker 4: off of that team doesn't win a playoff series. And

440
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Speaker 4: you've seen what the Tigers have done. So to me,

441
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 4: it's not just those big market teams. To me, if

442
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Speaker 4: the Brewers don't trade, if the Brewers don't trade Freddy Peralta,

443
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 4: the Brewers should trade for scoobl It's one year, it's

444
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Speaker 4: a prospect, it's prospects that you're getting rid of. And

445
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Speaker 4: if they do it now in the offseason, whatever team

446
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Speaker 4: would trade for him, you're getting a draft pick in

447
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Speaker 4: the end, because he's gonna sign for three hundred plus

448
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Speaker 4: million dollars.

449
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Speaker 2: Prospects are all suspects. But here's the thing.

450
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Speaker 1: So let's take the other side of this. Ken wrote

451
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Speaker 1: this morning. I'll summarize, but if you're Detroit and you're

452
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Speaker 1: keeping him, and you're deciding I'm not going to get

453
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Speaker 1: a massive return for one year of one of the

454
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Speaker 1: best pitchers in the sport, then you're assuming right. You're

455
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Speaker 1: aiming for a World Series title. You need to be

456
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Speaker 1: able to look at your roster and say, yep, I

457
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 1: did everything that I could do. Even if you need

458
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Speaker 1: to scale it back next year, payroll, whatever it is,

459
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Speaker 1: that's fine. You're telling yourself this is the season. So

460
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Speaker 1: if you are doing that. He pointed out how their

461
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Speaker 1: front office leader, Scott Harris can be somewhat risk averse

462
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Speaker 1: and look for diamonds in the rough. I know, but

463
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Speaker 1: some more than others. And he said, look at the

464
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Speaker 1: trade deadline last year, avoided getting uncomfortable, and look at

465
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Speaker 1: some of the other things that he's done in prior offseasons.

466
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Speaker 1: He did make a push for Alex Bregman, so you

467
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Speaker 1: would think maybe they get involved with someone like that again,

468
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Speaker 1: but I think the point was valid. You either sit down.

469
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Speaker 1: I think he needs to sit down with his ownership group,

470
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Speaker 1: Chris Ilich, and he needs to say, hey, are we

471
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Speaker 1: going hard this offseason? If not, we should trade Terrek Scouple.

472
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Speaker 3: Listen, Almost every GM is risk averse now because they

473
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Speaker 3: don't want to be the one that gave up this

474
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Speaker 3: player and he became something they don't want to be.

475
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Speaker 3: They don't want to be Aj Preller.

476
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Speaker 2: Right.

477
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Speaker 3: Preller gave up his players and if some of them

478
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Speaker 3: turned into something, you know what, But he's like, I

479
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: screw it, I went for it, right. You don't want

480
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Speaker 3: to be the guy who gave up Tatis for James Shields, right,

481
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Speaker 3: and if you get a ring.

482
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Speaker 2: Like kratz Issayan, it doesn't matter.

483
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Speaker 3: But I just every we've had this, and we've had

484
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Speaker 3: this conversation on the show all the time. More gms

485
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 3: are afraid and talk themselves out of making the move

486
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Speaker 3: instead of just making the move. Just make the move.

487
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Speaker 3: Just if you want the player, like you Bote and

488
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Speaker 3: just here. If you like the player and you want

489
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Speaker 3: the player, go get the player. Worry about the restlator

490
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Speaker 3: I've never asked. I've never asked Gymnast because I know

491
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Speaker 3: what his answer would be. But if you're a GM,

492
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Speaker 3: do you want to say, Man, did I do it great?

493
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 3: For seven years? I built up one of the best

494
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Speaker 3: farm systems that I could ever. Do you know what

495
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Speaker 3: we had a we had we won fifty four percent

496
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Speaker 3: of the time. Or do you want to say, you

497
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Speaker 3: know what, I worked for four years, we got a ring,

498
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Speaker 3: or you know what I worked for four years just

499
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Speaker 3: fell short.

500
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Speaker 4: I pushed it. It was the time I look at

501
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Speaker 4: I look at the I look at the Tigers and

502
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Speaker 4: the Brewers, and I say, if the Brewers don't trade

503
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Speaker 4: for Terry Scoogle, then the Tigers are trade for Freddie

504
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 4: Peralta like like you sit there and you go there's

505
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: times when teams could be one starting pitcher away from

506
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Speaker 4: giving this team in this city the best chance to

507
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Speaker 4: win a World Series. And I have a hard time,

508
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Speaker 4: and maybe this is because I'm an I'm an idiot

509
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 4: player ex player. I have a hard time believing that

510
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: is the wrong thing to do, because this is your window,

511
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: this is your chance. You're never gonna get an opportunity

512
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Speaker 4: to sign a guy for five years, one hundred and

513
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: fifty million, so you might as well go for it

514
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Speaker 4: in this way. There's different ways to go for it

515
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Speaker 4: and financially, the long term deals to Kyle Tucker or

516
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Speaker 4: Show Hey are never gonna happen for your org, bring

517
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Speaker 4: it to bring the championship to your city this way.

518
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Speaker 1: So what do you want to do if you're Detroit

519
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: right over the weekend?

520
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Speaker 3: They before we talk to Troit, I want to ask

521
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Speaker 3: Kratz and you a question. There was a guy we're

522
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 3: gonna have on the show tomorrow. He is the new

523
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Speaker 3: general manager president baseball offs of the Saint Louis Cardinals.

524
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Speaker 3: He went to Boston, Okay, built up their farm system.

525
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: All the guys if we're all talking, Roman Anthony, Marcelo Meyer,

526
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Speaker 3: he's the one they drafted and developed them all right,

527
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: he got shit canned?

528
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Speaker 2: Right?

529
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Speaker 3: Sorry him, you're out, Craig brosely In ask him, well,

530
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Speaker 3: ask him tomorrow. What do you think he would rather do?

531
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Speaker 3: If he looks back on it. They told him to

532
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Speaker 3: trade Mookie Betts, they told him build up the farm system.

533
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Speaker 3: He did all those things. Doesn't have a choice, but

534
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Speaker 3: he didn't win and they got.

535
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Speaker 2: Rid of him.

536
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Speaker 3: So do you think he's like, damn? If I would

537
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Speaker 3: have just traded Marcelo Meyer in Roman Anthony and got

538
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Speaker 3: better players at the big league level that were ready

539
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Speaker 3: at that time, I'd still have that job. That's basically

540
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Speaker 3: what krat is saying. And we have the perfect guy

541
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Speaker 3: coming on tomorrow in heim Bloom who did that, got

542
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Speaker 3: let go, and now he's gonna have to do it

543
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Speaker 3: again in Saint Louis. This guy knows that he has

544
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Speaker 3: the map to how.

545
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Speaker 2: To do this.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's a tough job though, because you have

547
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Speaker 1: to thread the needle. You do not have the it's

548
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: say news flash, the owner does. So he has to

549
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Speaker 1: listen to the owner who says, hey, you gotta trade

550
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Speaker 1: Mookie bets.

551
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: You're the guy.

552
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: You got to do it, and he might say, hey,

553
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: I'd rather actually trade some prospects. Re signed Mookie long term.

554
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: It's not up to him. And then you have to

555
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Speaker 1: thread the needle of getting them to the next great

556
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: red tax team, even though you were just given like

557
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: a really bad directive, and if you don't, you're out

558
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Speaker 1: and they move on to the next person. Okay, for

559
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Speaker 1: the Tigers, I mean, I'm just throwing this out there.

560
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Speaker 1: We're not gonna spend a lot of time on this,

561
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Speaker 1: but they signed a guy named Drew Anderson. He had

562
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Speaker 1: been overseas for four years. One of the better pictures

563
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Speaker 1: in the KBO We're seeing a lot of this lately.

564
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Speaker 1: There are more they.

565
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Speaker 3: Were able to sign, they got the deadline came where

566
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Speaker 3: they were able to become like basically free agent.

567
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Speaker 1: So that's why right then they they come over. So

568
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Speaker 1: you know, has improved himself out there, high strikers, blah

569
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Speaker 1: blah blah. That's great, might be a starter. Now let's

570
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Speaker 1: talk deep end. What should the Tigers do if they're

571
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Speaker 1: keeping Trek Scoogle that is realistic for them. I think

572
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Speaker 1: an other Big Boys starter with s Google And what

573
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Speaker 1: are we doing with the offense?

574
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Speaker 3: They strike out so much?

575
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So so you want then, I mean,

576
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Speaker 1: ideally you want to contact slug Guy because that's the

577
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Speaker 1: perfect that.

578
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a guy that plays third base that

579
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: their manager has a very long history with that's a

580
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: free agent this year that they didn't get.

581
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Speaker 1: And they got closed last year.

582
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Speaker 2: Yes, continued Bragman would look really nice in that lineup.

583
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Speaker 1: It would look very nice. And my understanding was the

584
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Speaker 1: Tigers pumped out a number from their computer projections and said,

585
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Speaker 1: we're sticking to this. We don't believe that he's got

586
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Speaker 1: something better.

587
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Speaker 2: How did that guy not good?

588
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: Not good?

589
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 3: They just thing, if they would have had one more hitter,

590
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: they could have won that series against Seattle.

591
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: Exactly mean school pitch, great toys and lost.

592
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Speaker 1: That was the difference.

593
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he said.

594
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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

595
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Speaker 2: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. I wish Kratz was here for

597
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: this right now, but he had to jump. He played

598
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: with Sonny Gray on the Yankees and he's always got

599
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: good insight there. But he's not here, so we get

600
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: to talk about it. The drama that nobody saw coming.

601
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Sonny Gray's tenure with the Yankees has become a back

602
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Speaker 1: and forth battle.

603
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 2: You know what.

604
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: I just I haven't really paid attention to this because

605
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: Sonny Gray didn't pitch very well in New York and

606
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: he didn't really enjoy his time. He's basically just said that,

607
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: and now it's gonna turned into a whole big thing,

608
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: which I love. And you know what, he gave his

609
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: opinion and not everyone loves it. Every part I played

610
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: in some play, I played in some places where you

611
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: didn't exactly love it, But you know what, good for

612
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: Sonny Gray.

613
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Speaker 1: But there's more to it because of the aftermath. I

614
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: don't know if you got all these quotes. So Brian

615
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Speaker 1: Cashman spoke and said, when Sonny was with the A's,

616
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Speaker 1: he was telling our minor league video coordinator, the Yanks

617
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: minor league video coordinator, you gotta get me over to

618
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Speaker 1: the Yankees. Tell cash get me over to the Yankees.

619
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Speaker 1: I want out of Oakland. I want a championship. And

620
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: cash later went on to basically say that his agent

621
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Speaker 1: told him to do that, to lie that he wanted

622
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Speaker 1: to get over there. His agent, Boe McGuinness, actually gave

623
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Speaker 1: a statement out this morning. He said, so Brian is

624
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: trying to make people believe I told Sonny to, in

625
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: Cashman's words, lie to the minor league video guy to

626
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: try to get Sonny to the Yankees, even though per Cashman,

627
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: Sonny did not want to be with the Yankees, to

628
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: subsequently somehow help Sonny's free agency. This makes zero sense. Further,

629
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Speaker 1: the words I want to I want out of Oakland

630
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: have never been said by Sonny. He loved his time

631
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: with the A's. See now it's on. Did you hear

632
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: all that? I now it's on. That's what's going on.

633
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: I didn't still work for the Red Sox. How are

634
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: you boy?

635
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: So?

636
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I just minor league video guy now makes trades.

637
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: Who side are you on?

638
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's great for people are

639
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: talking about this, but.

640
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: This is a this is a head to head battle.

641
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: You've got a player ramped.

642
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: Who feels on Bostle ramped up.

643
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Right. Clearly, Sonny didn't like.

644
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: Well, he didn't pitch well, and he wasn't happy in

645
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: New York.

646
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: But Cashman said he never wanted to go there. According

647
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: to the lies that were told by Sonny to try

648
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: and get himself over there to help his free agent case.

649
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

650
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Fran Cashman's like a long time

651
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: executive with the Yankees. Why is he throwing that out there?

652
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: And then your guys's.

653
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: Gotta have backing on it. He's not just throwing it

654
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Speaker 2: out there.

655
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: And I love the candor from him. But the other

656
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: side is like, make this make sense, funny?

657
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I don't. I don't know.

658
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: I can't make this make sense because if Sonny Gray

659
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: went and said I want to go to the Yankees, okay, well,

660
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: then when he got there he wasn't very happy. But

661
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: Cashman said he didn't want to come to the Yankees

662
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: and when they're in there a story where he was

663
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: supposed to go somewhere else in the last minute, the

664
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: Yankee stepped in and got them I believe.

665
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: So.

666
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kratz actually was the one who shared

667
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: the day.

668
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I love it. I love it.

669
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: I love when gms and players get into it because

670
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: doesn't happen ever, especially over guys that were pretty good

671
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: and they went to a team. And but I don't know,

672
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: I think there must be some too, because Brian Cashan

673
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: disitually doesn't say these things, and then Sonny Gray also

674
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: never says anything either, So there's got to be somewhere.

675
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: And you know, there's three sides of every story. His side,

676
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: Scott side, and the truth side.

677
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: There's four sides because we have the player rap in

678
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: Bob too, the agent. We don't see agents come out

679
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: like this or not many of them. Of course, you know,

680
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: we have Scott Boris on the show. He's pretty public

681
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: with his comments. Many other agents stay behind the scenes.

682
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: And this pissed someone off so much that they felt

683
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: like they needed to defend themselves. Yeah, and tell their

684
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: side of the story. Yes, that's good stuff. Yes, for

685
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: our purposes. What are we really going to figure out here?

686
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: We're going to figure out that this year when Sunny

687
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: Gray gets to face the New York Yankees, we have juice.

688
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: That's all. It is.

689
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: Three or four times when he gets the face added juice,

690
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: just fire, fire every time.

691
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: When they're on every Fox game on Saturday, in every

692
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: ESPN game on Sunday Night. Oh wait no, they don't

693
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: have you Sunday Night anymore. Do the NBCNBC, NBC.

694
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: Sunday Night Yankees, Red Sox Yankees, Red Sox, Gray.

695
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: Verse, cash Man. It's on the battle, all right, next

696
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: up on. That's what he said. Nick Castellanos is open

697
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: to learning to play first base if someone wants him

698
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: to do that. It is no secret that he has

699
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: not looked at in high regards for his defensive work

700
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: in the outfields, and there was some battles about that.

701
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: He can still hit. He wasn't comfortable this year. So listen,

702
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: if he wants to play first base and he thinks

703
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: it'll help him, great, if there's a team out there

704
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: that needs a rain hitting first baseman, hitch you thirty doubles.

705
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: I don't mind this trick. He's not making that much.

706
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: No, he is making a lot, but the team that

707
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: he goes much will hold up. Hold up. The team

708
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: that he goes to next is not going to pay

709
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: that much. There are some true they'll pay it down,

710
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: they'll pay most of it down. There are some thoughts

711
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: that no team is actually going to take it, and

712
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: that some team is just like, I'll convince him to

713
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: take a league minimum deal. After those two part ways,

714
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: what is pretty evident at this point is that the

715
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: Phillies will not have him on next year's roster, whether

716
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: that's via trade or buy out. That basically just pays

717
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: him to go back to free agency, and then they

718
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: make up the league minimum money. Right the Phillies would

719
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: essentially just save like eight hundred K because he'll sign

720
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: with some other team. So that's the debate right now.

721
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: And if there's a team that is really interested him,

722
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: they could say, hey, we'll take on you take on

723
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: everything except for I'm just making up a number two

724
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: million bucks, right, so we'll take him on a two

725
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: million dollar deal, which gets us the player. So that's

726
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: all that's going on here. I agree, I think the

727
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: numbers weren't great offensively for him this year, but there

728
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: was a lot going on. Clearly was bad.

729
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: He didn't get off to a great start. Him and

730
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: Topper clearly had something happening. And Nick just wants to

731
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: play every day and and I think kind of be

732
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: left alone. We've had him on the show and he's

733
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: a great interview because he gives you a ton of

734
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: quotes and he says a lot of good stuff. But

735
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: there are times where he just wants to play and

736
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: be left alone. And then you know if you ask

737
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: him a question, he's going to give you the answer.

738
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: When they asked him about the communication thing, remember he said,

739
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: well there hasn't been any which is pretty We want

740
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: people to be honest. He was pretty honest about it,

741
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: but it didn't sit well with Philly fans. And let's

742
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: not forget he got some big hits for them down

743
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: the stretch. He got the big hits for them in

744
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Right, So this dude can still do it.

745
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: He just needs to go to a place and if

746
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: it's not Philly where he's comfortable and play, just plays.

747
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: Let Nick Cassiano's cook.

748
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: I know people are gonna say, oh, I didn't have

749
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: that great year, he had a good year.

750
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: Well, it's the defense I mean, yes, the offense wasn't

751
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: nearly as good as it's been in some past seasons,

752
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: but I do agree. I think this is still a

753
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: bat that can be effected in the major leagues. I

754
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: get it on the defense side, but the way that

755
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: most of the front offices work these days, AJ is

756
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: that they look at the defense and then that adds

757
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: into the war number. And his war number this year

758
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: was last out of one hundred and forty five five

759
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: players on fangrafts. I'm just the reason I'm bringing it

760
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: out or bring it up is because it is good.

761
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what is used to evaluate him, and

762
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: my teams will say, well, you want me to pay

763
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: down what for a negative war player. That's just what's

764
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: going on right now.

765
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: I know.

766
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: So I do think he'll latch on with another team.

767
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: I think the Phillies probably will trade him, but they will.

768
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's making twenty mil next year, the Phillies

769
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: will eat. My guess is at least eighteen ish million,

770
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: because most teams are saying he's not more than a

771
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: league minimum guy right now based off last year's okay metrics.

772
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: That's all. So he's down to I never expected him

773
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: to not say that that he wouldn't what's he gonna say?

774
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: And I will not move positions, No, of course not.

775
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: This isn't the Rafael Dever situation a little bit different,

776
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: but it was worth bringing up.

777
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: You might have to buy it though.

778
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: All right, what do we have here today? The winning division?

779
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: So as in the team that will represent the National

780
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: League in the World Series. And these are your odds,

781
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: and i'll Central plus three sixty n L East plus

782
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: one sixty NL West plus one ten.

783
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: I just I like the I don't like these odds.

784
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: A better right, because there's not enough values. We got the.

785
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: Dodgers in the west, right the East, you have the Mets, Phillies, Braves.

786
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: In the central you have Cubs, Birds, Reds, Reds. Are

787
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: they gonna beat the other teams.

788
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: And the other that's probably not.

789
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: That's where unless they make some serious moves. But I mean,

790
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 3: the pick is the Central. You're gonna throw money down, right,

791
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: but to me, until I said it last year, until

792
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 3: someone beats the Dodgers.

793
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. We break down almost anything that

794
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: you can touch on the futures market. Then you just say,

795
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: you know what, this is a category that I'm not really.

796
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: We found a couple, We found a couple that we

797
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: could bet.

798
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: We found plenty, And I just want to make it

799
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: clear with people. It's like when we bring up a

800
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: board like this, sometimes I look at the board and

801
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm like.

802
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: Nah, if you just have money to burn and bet

803
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: on the West.

804
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: Because it's basically plus money, it's even money, but it's

805
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: even money.

806
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: So if you want to hunter down and win ten

807
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: bucks maybe down the road or even even the East,

808
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: take a shot on the East.

809
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: No, one hundred down and win one ten not.

810
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 2: Ten yeah, yeah, well yeah, get your yeah.

811
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: Sorry, So you have basically double your money, but you

812
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: need yeah, the Dodgers or do you think there's another

813
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: team Here's where it goes. Do you think there's another

814
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: team in the NL West that would give you a

815
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: little bit of quote insurance versus just putting it on

816
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: the Dodgers alone. That's the whole name.

817
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: And depending on what the Giants do, uh, Padres aren't

818
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: going to probably do a whole lot.

819
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that to me, I'm always yeah, I'm always

820
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: intrigued by the bull Backs. Maybe yeah, San Diego's got

821
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: the bullpen to carry you in the playoffs. But this year.

822
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: It was the offense. I mean it was a short series,

823
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: but there wasn't much offense from them, and it was

824
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: actually a problem during the year.

825
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have much pop either. They still don't.

826
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: Not like it went out and got more pop.

827
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: No, I mean fairly anybody has done anything. But that

828
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: is something they should try and solve, is can you

829
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: find some offense even if it sacrifices some other things

830
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: like defense or contact. They specifically, I think we're bottom,

831
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: I know, bottom five, if not bottom three in home

832
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: runs like that's it's not good enough, not in today's world.

833
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, bet MGM wants to give you another chance

834
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: at first touchdown scores, so you can get a little

835
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: second chance for motion your stick back in cash if

836
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: your first touchdown scorer scores second instead, and also up

837
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: to fifteen hundred dollars paid back in bonus bets if

838
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: you don't win and you're a new player using the

839
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: bonus offer. Foul foul gambling problem or concern called one

840
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: eight hundred gambling in the weeds. Let's go through more

841
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: of the notes column for Ken Rosenthal, and there are

842
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: articles coming out fast and furious during the show. Of course,

843
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: we'll get to some of those newest. I mean, if

844
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: there's news, we're hitting it. But if there's reports and columns,

845
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: we'll get to them tomorrow. But Ken was talking about

846
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: Kansas City outfield shopping. Ideally they'd like to get two.

847
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: It sounds like Kyle Isbel could still be the answer

848
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: for them in center, although if they found an upgrade,

849
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure they would dance there. I think they might

850
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: be in on Harrison Vader. We've seen that float around,

851
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: and they would like to ideally sign one and trade

852
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: for one.

853
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 2: Yes, they still.

854
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: Think when we had Jim Boden on Cagli, they still

855
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: think he can be a star. But then where do

856
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: they go from there? I mean that's kind of been

857
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: the problem, right is Whi's great, Salvey's getting older. The

858
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: cal Franco had a nice year. They traded for India.

859
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything for him.

860
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: Mike Michael Garcia, mikel Garcia, Michael Franco did play for

861
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the Royals.

862
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, kids in the head.

863
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: He never did cal Garcia. Sorry, uh, but yeah, they

864
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: need offense. I mean, Vinnie got off the slow start,

865
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: picked it up down the stretch. But where do they

866
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: find the offense got to come from the outfield.

867
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: And they have good pitching. They have.

868
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: They figured out a bullpen with Ersig and some of

869
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: these other guys that they threw out there. But where

870
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: do they get the offense? And that's always been a

871
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: thing in Kansas City. They've always been able to pitch

872
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: because the way they the ballpark get playing. But can

873
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: they find enough offense, especially power, because that is not

874
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: a home run hitters park. And when the years they won,

875
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 3: they had fast dudes, they could hit doubles and triples

876
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: and run all over the park, playing credible defense in

877
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: the outfield, and they had just enough homers. Mistakas bored

878
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: and Salve right Osmer. So can they replicate that they

879
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: have the pitching, can they take the next especially if

880
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: Reagan's Buba shays it what he does, walka Lugo are

881
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: healthy again, They're.

882
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: In there in the right division.

883
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: We keep going back to this, but the division matters,

884
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: the AL Central matters versus the Alas. Wow, Yeah, he

885
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: put the Royals in the AL East or fifth place team,

886
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: like you don't even think about it, fifth place, but

887
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 3: in the Central they can win the division.

888
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: You got a shot. Yep, that's true, and hey, two

889
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: years ago, the AL Central really shines. Number of teams

890
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: made it to the playoffs, right, and the got the

891
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: round The Guardians got through what two rounds?

892
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: Well, the Yankees took out the whole Ale Central.

893
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just they were like, you're not as good

894
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: as us. You're not as good as us, not a

895
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: playing to your point, you would not do as well

896
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: in our division, you would not do as well.

897
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: The Tigers had a chance against Americas loss.

898
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah right. It's not knocking the whole division general.

899
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: Just your comp of some of those teams in the

900
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: AL East I think is accurate. It makes sense. But

901
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: for Kansas City, sure, they have to work around budget restraints.

902
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: They can't go big game shopping. Some of the names

903
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: that can put out in his note column are not

904
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: that sexy.

905
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is all about what do you

906
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: wanted to give up to get what you need.

907
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: I'll give you some of the names. So he said,

908
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read from what Ken roade. Among free agents,

909
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: a reunion with mike Y Stremsky is one avenue. They're exploring.

910
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: A Doolie scarcia, Max Kepler and Mike Takman or among

911
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: the other free agents they could pursue.

912
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: You mentioned Mike Takman. I'm just not on the Royals.

913
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: If the White Sox are gonna non tender, And why

914
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: didn't they train him as the trade dedife. He had

915
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: an interest, they could have got something for him.

916
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Mike Takman or Luis Robert Mike?

917
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 2: We'll start with Mike talking.

918
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: But that's my point is clearly they've got something else

919
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: going on there where they feel like they need to

920
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: hold the guy they get their asking for Mike.

921
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: DFA, DFA, when did he get the fae right?

922
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: But so they wrote out the second half with him,

923
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: They wrote out the second half with him, and I

924
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: guess they were gonna see what it looks like or

925
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: what you just said would probably get disputed, right, It

926
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: would probably get disputed by them being like, oh no,

927
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: there weren't any offers. But you're saying there were offers.

928
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: For who Robert for talk?

929
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody would have taken Mike talk. Yeah, he

930
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: was having a nice year and he's a guy that

931
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: kind of gets on bays, has some left end and

932
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: throat pop, and.

933
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: Well we've got that with two guys. I don't know

934
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: what to tell you. I mean, Luis Robert. There were

935
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: offers too, for sure, they were offers. They said, offers

936
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: aren't good enough. We're gonna drop another twenty mil and

937
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: think about it. He could get traded this offseason too.

938
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: There aren't many center fielders and if you believe in

939
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: the change of scenery hype, it could be your guy.

940
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: It gets them out of what was a weird scenario.

941
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: We don't think we're getting enough. We're gonna pick up

942
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: the option and ride into next season up and we're

943
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: getting smashed.

944
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: They said, they said they're going to play or sorry,

945
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: play in the free agent market.

946
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: Maybe that was an Anthony k It was, you know,

947
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: a nice story. He got two years.

948
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: But sure are those they're big moves because now their

949
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: payroll goes up just naturally from picking up the option.

950
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 1: They can handle all of that. I'm not.

951
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 2: Playing Devil's advocate here.

952
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. John Hayman wrote Red Sox interest in

953
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Ka tell marte.

954
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: So so am I I want Kit tell Marteo on

955
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: my team.

956
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna get traded? If they trade him?

957
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: It has to happen this offseason. It still can happen

958
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: after that, but he would have to give them approval.

959
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: That makes it way more difficult, as we saw it

960
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: with Nolan Arnatto last year. So he's the best second

961
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: basement in baseball.

962
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: He's the best position player available for trade. If you

963
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: I mean for me, who's.

964
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: Better available per trade? People have said, hey, we just

965
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 5: got to travel it. That's probably the he's the best

966
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 5: second basement. He's just a brilliant offensive player.

967
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: He just yeah, he'swer.

968
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: I know, defense brings something. He's clutches. Hell. We saw

969
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: him in the playoffs a couple years ago.

970
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: He was the guy for the Diamondbacks.

971
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: If you if you take him and ad him to

972
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: a lineup, whatever lineup you want to throw him, he

973
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: may instantly makes that lineup better.

974
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: When a guy is getting floated out there consistently, there

975
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: usually is something to it. I think we're on the

976
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: same page. I would aggressively go after a player like this. Yes,

977
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: some people are like, oh, well, what's with the you know,

978
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: missing the day here and there? Right, we had the

979
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: drama last.

980
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: Year, but then you saw for Nomo stand up for him.

981
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. I think I think they'll

982
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: be okay. I would take that production. You have any

983
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: issue every once in a while where he has to

984
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: disappear for a day. I mean, you don't want it

985
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: to happen, but didn't somehow was mom. That is some stuff.

986
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: We don't know everything going on with people.

987
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: You don't know everything that's happening with people and their family,

988
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: people in their life. People, their kids are s their

989
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: wife is sick, their brothers sick, their uncles.

990
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes they say one thing, but really they're covering for

991
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: the other.

992
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: So there's just a lot more happening than I mean, listen,

993
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 3: I went through a lot. I've been through a lot.

994
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: I've had things of my issues with every part of

995
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 3: your family you could ever have, right, and it is it.

996
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: It never goes away, like it never goes away.

997
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, health issues, but you don't want to tell everyone.

998
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: You know, somebody's kids sick like that. Stuff happens and

999
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: you can't tell.

1000
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: And there are those things you can just don't want

1001
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: to tell people.

1002
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets very public. So anyway, point is Haymon

1003
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: said red tax interest among many other teams. Some of

1004
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: the other teams he brought up were the Mariners, the Pirates,

1005
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: the Rays, the Tigers, the Blue Jays see to me,

1006
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: the theme of the day or the team of the day, Pittsburgh.

1007
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: This is a perfect expedition for them, and it's going

1008
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: to be hard for them to reprove players.

1009
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: I think the Pirates have to trade. This is what

1010
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1011
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: Agreed, could tell Marte. Right, So if you, if you

1012
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: especially guys money where your mouth is, it's it's not

1013
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: crazy money. It's the money that we're talking about here.

1014
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: It's like the Kyle Schwarber money. Because here's my thing.

1015
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: When you're recruiting players, it's going to be difficult as

1016
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: it is right with the Pirates. Now add this. To

1017
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: get those players, you're going to have to overpay. And

1018
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't necessarily matter, but when you are

1019
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: restricted on your budget and if you only can spend

1020
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: it on one player, it does get pretty complicated. So

1021
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: to me, trading is the move they've been rebuilding for eternity.

1022
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: To tell Marte, who I have gone out nice.

1023
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Also, if you go out and

1024
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: you trade for a kid, tell Marte. Then you go

1025
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: to the free agents you say, hey, look we got

1026
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: tell Marte, we got Reynolds and we got O'Neil Cruz

1027
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: and we have this guy and we have that guy. Hey,

1028
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 3: it's a little more we have Schemes and Chandler and

1029
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: Jared Jones a killer. It gets a little more attractive

1030
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: to free agents to come by and say, hey, they

1031
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: actually are trying.

1032
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: Maybe this is something they're actually gonna try and.

1033
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: Do versus we did. Did you see the news? We

1034
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: did send it offer to Kyle Schwarber for four years.

1035
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: That's well, good for you, you're gonna finish in ninth

1036
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: place for him. But for Kittel Marte, he's making fifteen

1037
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: million next year and he's owed one oh two point

1038
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: five mili from twenty twenty six to twenty thirty one.

1039
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: So whatever the match is there, I'm saying that is

1040
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: exactly in the wheelhouse of what It sounds like the

1041
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: Pirates are going to be able to commit to another player.

1042
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: So that's, in my mind, the direction that they should

1043
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: be thinking now to get that player. It's gonna hurt,

1044
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to give up prospects, but come on,

1045
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing. Clearly Pittsburgh's interested in trying to at

1046
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: least sniff a playoff race. I think that's the thing.

1047
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: And also if they don't this front office moves on.

1048
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: You've got to show people that you're trying. You can't just.

1049
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 1: Say it if they're not in a race in September

1050
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: for a playoff spot, there's I will say this, there's

1051
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: no chance they're going to keep the current group with

1052
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: Ben Sherrington in there again, it'll have been like seven

1053
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: or eight years. I think there is no.

1054
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: Way he's now been giving the green light to spend money.

1055
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: Well, it's a combination. It's what we talked about earlier,

1056
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: where it's a the lockouts looming. You guys never spend

1057
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: fake like you're into it for a year as the

1058
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: owner with the budget and then we can go from there.

1059
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: So to me, it's a perfect storm. If you're Ben Charrington,

1060
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: you're getting a little bit more budget for the first

1061
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: time ever and you actually have to do something or

1062
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: you're going to get fired.

1063
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to point out in the Red

1064
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: Sox where they were big money.

1065
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not him, right, but I'm just saying to me,

1066
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: that's the kind of team that should make an offer

1067
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: for a guy because all they have to do is

1068
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: is win the bid. With free agency, it's it's going

1069
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: to have to It's a different.

1070
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: You have to play a different game if you want

1071
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: to again, you have to show it before you I think,

1072
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: before you can go get the free agent, like, okay,

1073
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: I'll use the Nationals. We always use the Jason word. Right,

1074
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: But they had Harper in Strasburg. I think we're already

1075
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: there right before they went out and got Jason Worth.

1076
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: Then they had Zimmerman, right, they had rendeout, So they

1077
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: had these guys coming. So as a free agent, you

1078
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: look at it and you say, and then they went out,

1079
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: they got worse. He was the first one. Then they

1080
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: went and got Sures er Corbin. Right, But they were

1081
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: already seeing that they were on the right track before

1082
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: they went there, right, because I remember twenty whenever whatever

1083
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: suss first year was twenty fifteen. When he signed there,

1084
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Speaker 3: I was like, they had Harper, Sures or Strassburg. I'm

1085
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 3: like this sucks because I was in the division. I'm like, dude,

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00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: I got to go to Washington face these dudes like.

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Speaker 2: It was real.

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Speaker 3: But people outside the organization could see it and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: there is a direction.

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Speaker 1: People want to be part of.

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Speaker 3: People want to be part of it. It's kind of

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00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 3: what happens with the with the Dodgers right now. It's

1093
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: a destination, right Oh, the Yankees forever were that place.

1094
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: Tont Toronto's getting there. They're working on it right Toronto's

1095
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: working on it. Red Sox, like the Cubs for a

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00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: for a while, were that kind of destination. He kind

1097
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: of place, but they've kind of lost. When you start

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00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: losing it, you got to get it back.

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Speaker 1: Right. Jesse Chabez, who was on our show when he

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00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: announced his retirement, is right back into the big leagues

1101
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: in the coaching world.

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Speaker 2: Cool bullpen coach.

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Speaker 3: Good for him, Yeah, I mean, is there a better

1104
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Speaker 3: guy to have a bullpen coach? He he was in

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Speaker 3: the bullpen for like twenty five years for like twenty

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Speaker 3: five teams.

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Speaker 1: Now does this play to what you want from Tony

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Speaker 1: v Telim and his staff? There has been a bullpen

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Speaker 1: coach before, but he is a very seasoned Major leaguer

1110
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Speaker 1: who has been around every Class's what I'm saying to

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00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: higher you want slap hands? If you were playing the

1112
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: over undergame of how many people slap hands with Aj

1113
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Speaker 1: Prizinski over the last three hours, the number is sixty four.

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Speaker 2: That's it?

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Speaker 1: Or maybe it's sixty seven.

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Speaker 3: I thought it'd be way higher than that. What do

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Speaker 3: we consider slapping hands? Are you like a hug, a fistbamp.

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00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: Just like any hand contact hand to hand, it's way

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Speaker 1: higher than that. Yeah, it's probably one twenty nine, just

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Speaker 1: if we.

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Speaker 2: Were counting from the time I walked in here. Just again,

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Speaker 2: that's a whole It was ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It was one hundreds, which is great because as you said,

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Speaker 3: I haven't been to the winter meetings a long time.

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Speaker 2: You haven't been around with us for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So the people you see that you just don't see it.

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Speaker 3: I see more than you do because I'm still out there, right.

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00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: But like the relationships with the reporters and even the

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Speaker 3: managers and some of the other coaches that come by,

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00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 3: it's cool.

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00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: It's cool to see them all one place. It's just

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00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 2: a lot.

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00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: It's a lot. So the ones for me are haven't

1135
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: seen you in three years and they want some time,

1136
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: and that's cool, but not until the show's done. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: thanks to everyone that was joining us today. Think we

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Speaker 1: did a nice three hours live team behind the scenes

1139
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: crushed it. And it is not easy to figure out

1140
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: how to put this stuff together here too. They limit

1141
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: us on Wi Fi and all that stuff. And look

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Speaker 1: what we did, three hour live show. We're doing this

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Speaker 1: again on Tuesday and Wednesday. We'll have plenty of guests

1144
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: joining US managers, front office leaders, the whole deal, and

1145
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: we'll get to all the rumors reports. We'll try and

1146
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: get insiders the whole deal uh on FT here the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days. So we'll see you on Tuesday live.

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Speaker 4: Mmmm