WEBVTT - "I STALK PEOPLE ONLINE"

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hello, Hey, is this Leah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I am currently having a problem because I think

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<v Speaker 3>I have a problem with like talking people online. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I like made a fake account like two years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like still an obsession of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, what made you want to make this fake account?

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you do with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So a long time ago, my dad has this girlfriend

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<v Speaker 3>that actually left him because he's fluck with She fleuck

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<v Speaker 3>with my boyfriend, and so I made an account so

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<v Speaker 3>I could like look at her profile and like see

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<v Speaker 3>what she like was saying about us, and she accepted

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<v Speaker 3>my friend requests on like the stake account. So I

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<v Speaker 3>just like continued it and now I have like a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of people on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how long ago was it that you made

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<v Speaker 1>this account to look at your father's whatever's person's thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was probably like late twenty eighteen, early twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so is a little bit ago, and what

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<v Speaker 1>do you use the account for now?

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<v Speaker 3>I currently log on daily sometimes more, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>like look at any posts she posts, and like any

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<v Speaker 3>of my friends, like my enemies. There's my friends on

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<v Speaker 3>that account, I guess, but like I look at whatever

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<v Speaker 3>they got going on. Like a lot of them post

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<v Speaker 3>like all their drama on there, so I can kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like get the inside details.

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<v Speaker 1>Is your dad still engaged with this woman or are

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<v Speaker 1>they done?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, they split up after she slept with my boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and why what what what is causing you to

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<v Speaker 1>still be interested in her life?

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<v Speaker 2>I have absolutely no idea, Okay, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just the curiosity of it all. And

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<v Speaker 3>like she has like circles kind of close to my

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<v Speaker 3>circles of like friend groups, so I kind of just like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, keep your friends close, your closer.

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<v Speaker 1>Your father's ex girlfriend has has a lot of mutual

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<v Speaker 1>friends with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well she was actually my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>First, but like she didn't know my dad was my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, uh, who what give me an example of another

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<v Speaker 1>person that you follow on here and what your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to them is?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, I wasn't expecting that question. Well, I have

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<v Speaker 3>like my ex boyfriends girlfriends on there, or like my

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<v Speaker 3>ex boyfriends groommates, or like people that are like close

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<v Speaker 3>to the people that like have caused issues in my past.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and you you log on every day and you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at updates and photos and whatnot from Uh, your

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<v Speaker 1>ex boyfriend's new girlfriend, her friends, his friends, your dad's

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<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriends, all these people you're you're logging in every

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<v Speaker 1>day and looking at updates from them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much?

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<v Speaker 1>And how do do you do you get strong emotional

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<v Speaker 1>reactions from these updates?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes?

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<v Speaker 3>Like when I see her doing the same things that

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<v Speaker 3>she did to me when we were friends to other people, like,

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<v Speaker 3>it gets me really mad because people don't see what

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<v Speaker 3>I see in her, because she like showed her true colors,

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<v Speaker 3>so like to me, I want other people to see

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<v Speaker 3>her like that. But I'm not trying to like attack

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<v Speaker 3>her or like put her information on Facebook or nothing

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<v Speaker 3>like that. Like I don't want to look like the

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<v Speaker 3>antagonists or anything. But I am curious, like how long

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<v Speaker 3>she's going to get away with like.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing the same thing to all these other people.

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<v Speaker 1>And your ex boyfriend? When did you break up with them?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty nineteen?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, b'go them three years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you still talk to them?

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<v Speaker 3>He constantly is trying different ways to like get a

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<v Speaker 3>hold of me, But we actually split up because he

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<v Speaker 3>was physically abusive, so and she was one of the

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<v Speaker 3>girls that helped me pack my stuff and get away

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<v Speaker 3>from him, and then like she went ahead and just

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<v Speaker 3>like moved in after moving me out.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you think about your ex boyfriend a lot?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I have a lot of nightmares about him.

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<v Speaker 3>I have like diagnosed PTSD because of like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the ship. Oh, I don't know if I can

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<v Speaker 3>say that. Sorry, like he put me through Yeah, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it's okay, okay. And have you ever made

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<v Speaker 1>an attempt to have you ever considered deleting this Facebook account?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to, but a part of me like can't

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<v Speaker 3>let go of it, Like a part of me wants

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<v Speaker 3>to just like move on and like forget all of

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<v Speaker 3>that happened to me, because like my life has moved on,

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<v Speaker 3>but like my my emotions are still so stuck and

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<v Speaker 3>like that hurts, Like I got betrayal from like both sides.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think is in between you and letting

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<v Speaker 1>go of this stuff? If you had to really really

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<v Speaker 1>put it under a microscope.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's hard to move on because they're constantly around, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, so and so might work with one of

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<v Speaker 3>my family members, or this person I see every time

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<v Speaker 3>I go to the store because they work there, or

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<v Speaker 3>like I because I live in a very like small area,

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<v Speaker 3>like maybe twenty five mile writing, so like we're constantly

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<v Speaker 3>bumping into each other and so like I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like to know where they're at, where their minds that.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I do want to let go of it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm afraid at the moment I do, like something's

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<v Speaker 3>going to get hurt.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're running into just you know, as you're about

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<v Speaker 1>town living in a small town, you're running into your

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<v Speaker 1>ex boyfriend's friends, You're running into people from uh you

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<v Speaker 1>know that that time in your life, and that's making

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<v Speaker 1>it harder to let go. Yeah, all right, uh so

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<v Speaker 1>so let's let's get into now. Welcome back to this

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook account. But what is your life like now?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm married, I'm trying to have a baby. I

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of fertility issues, so we're it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Only option we have right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're married, Yes, does your husband know about the account?

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<v Speaker 3>He does, but he doesn't know like the details of it,

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<v Speaker 3>Like he doesn't know the name of it, or he's

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<v Speaker 3>not friends with it or anything, but he does know

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<v Speaker 3>it exists. But my whole family kind of plays off

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<v Speaker 3>as a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>But they not, just like you know whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>it exists. But does does he know the nature of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Does he know why you use it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he knows that. I like look at people that

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<v Speaker 3>I've had issues with in the past, and I like

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<v Speaker 3>friend them and look at their stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>How does he feel about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, everybody kind of like plays off as

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<v Speaker 3>a joke. Nobody thinks it's like an issue, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>But me, everybody else is like, oh, that's like what

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<v Speaker 3>girls do, like their little FBI agents, you know, YadA YadA.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting And do they know that you've been doing it

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<v Speaker 1>for three years?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, but nobody else seems to nobody else it's

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<v Speaker 1>a serious issue. Everyone just kind of thinks it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a funny thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everybody just kind of thinks it's like it's funny

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<v Speaker 3>that nobody's notice as a fake account. Yet, like I've

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<v Speaker 3>taken it this far and nobody like has picked up like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh this person doesn't even exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm, I'm interesting. Okay, But we know that it's

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<v Speaker 1>an issue. We know that you want to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we if I've asked you this yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but do you do you have a desire to move

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<v Speaker 1>on from from all of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, I I want to delete it or deactivate it,

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<v Speaker 3>proferbly delete it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have like.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody to really like hold me accountable to it. Like

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<v Speaker 3>there's nobody that's like, hey, you should believe you should

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<v Speaker 3>believe it, like you should stop at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm mm hmm. I mean here's the here's the

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<v Speaker 1>great thing about this is that, uh, once you you can,

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<v Speaker 1>once you delete it, you can delete it forever. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that Facebook. Facebook does this fucking annoying thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they do on purpose where you can deactivate it, which

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really do anything. This logs you out, but you

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<v Speaker 1>need to go in there and you need to de

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<v Speaker 1>elete it irreversibly. And you know, I feel like, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is how I felt when I've you know, had

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<v Speaker 1>had these these sort of whatever things with social media,

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<v Speaker 1>where like, you know, if you ever find yourself in

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of emotional motivative state where you're like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm gonna do it, I'm going to delete it,

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of that and just fucking delete it right

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<v Speaker 1>in there, because because then when you are in that

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<v Speaker 1>addict d phase where you're like, no, I got a check,

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<v Speaker 1>you will not even be able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I feel like talking about it is

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<v Speaker 3>the first stuff I've really taken where somebody's like acknowledged

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<v Speaker 3>that it's an issue because I've brought it up with

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<v Speaker 3>like my gods before where I'm like, like, this is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of crazy, like I probably shouldn't be doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>But it all started when people were like giving information

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<v Speaker 3>on my Facebook out to these people that I don't like.

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<v Speaker 3>So I felt like, if they're in dating my privacy,

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<v Speaker 3>I should be able to invade theirs. But now that

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<v Speaker 3>I look at it, like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's just social media, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a reflection of their real life or my

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<v Speaker 3>real life. It's just what we're what we're putting out

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<v Speaker 3>for people to see. So is not getting any information

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<v Speaker 3>inside So.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, outside side of just like the nuts and vaults

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<v Speaker 1>of there's a Facebook account that needs to be deleted,

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<v Speaker 1>the larger issue is one of moving on from these people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know symbolically could be represented by deleting this

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook account, But even after you delete it, it's about

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<v Speaker 1>how can you move on and you have that you

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<v Speaker 1>have a whole life, you know, I mean the one.

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<v Speaker 1>The real way to move on from this previous time

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<v Speaker 1>in your life is to dive deep into the time

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<v Speaker 1>of your life that you're in right now. You are married.

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<v Speaker 1>How long did you say? How long did you say

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<v Speaker 1>you were married for?

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a little over like six seven months?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, six or seven months? Are you happily married? You

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy your relationship?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I've never felt so comfortable with somebody or so

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<v Speaker 3>loved by someone, like we really do have great communication,

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<v Speaker 3>like a wonderful partnership. Like I'm incredibly grateful for him,

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<v Speaker 3>especially for coming into my life when he did and

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<v Speaker 3>how he did. So Yeah, he's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, So you're happily married. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? You sort of professionally on your

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<v Speaker 1>own outside of your relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm a full fum student.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Okay, So you you have a life. Yeah, so, Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>you're happily married, You're enjoying your life? What? Uh uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think it is hard for you, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a thing going on for yourself to let

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<v Speaker 1>let everything in your past go?

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<v Speaker 3>I think Okay, So going back to like the ex boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>Why look at his stuff is because like he has

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<v Speaker 3>a very large history of violence. So for me, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like keeping tabs on like where he's at or

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<v Speaker 3>who he's with kind of gears me towards like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>stay away from these people this area, like and you can,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll be safe. But for my dad's ex girlfriend, I

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<v Speaker 3>really feel like there's not really a motive behind looking

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<v Speaker 3>at her stuff anymore, Like it doesn't there's not really

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<v Speaker 3>a reason to look at her stuff anymore besides just

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<v Speaker 3>like the odds that I would run into her. But

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<v Speaker 3>the ex boyfriend, I definitely do it because like it

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<v Speaker 3>just makes me feel so much safer for knowing what

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<v Speaker 3>he's doing where he's at, because it took me so

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<v Speaker 3>long to get away from him that it just feels

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<v Speaker 3>like so much more comfortable knowing that he's like on

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<v Speaker 3>this side of town or staying around these people.

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<v Speaker 1>This is really difficult because you know, look, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>I really get you know, I get it, I get

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<v Speaker 1>while you're operating out of the sphere because you really

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to run into him. But I also I

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<v Speaker 1>just I hate hearing that you're living your your that

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<v Speaker 1>this fear is like policing your whole life and causing

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<v Speaker 1>you to, you know, be on this Facebook account that

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<v Speaker 1>you really shouldn't be on. Yeah, and I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>think of solutions for you. I mean there's a few.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, if this guy really has done some

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<v Speaker 1>terrible shit to you, I'm sure you have the grounds

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<v Speaker 1>to get a to get a legitimate restraining order against him. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's actually I think that's a better idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I was eighteen and he was thirty five. He was

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<v Speaker 3>straight out of like he just came out of prison

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<v Speaker 3>and he was like getting back on his feet, and

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<v Speaker 3>so we started dating. I have no idea what was

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<v Speaker 3>going through my mind. Besides, I thought an older dudes

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<v Speaker 3>would bring me like more stability, I guess. But one like,

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<v Speaker 3>it started getting like physically aggressive between me and him,

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<v Speaker 3>and one day, like I called my dad to come

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<v Speaker 3>pick me up and I never hung up the phone. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>my dad heard him hit me, so my dad came.

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<v Speaker 2>They got into a fight.

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<v Speaker 3>Like three months or three weeks later, my dad went

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<v Speaker 3>back there and fought them again, and my ex boyfriend

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<v Speaker 3>ended up having to go to get meta fled into

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<v Speaker 3>the hospital. And so because of that like I I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I've tried to get a restraining order will their order

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<v Speaker 3>of protections in my county. But I tried to get

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<v Speaker 3>like an order of protection, but because my dad had

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<v Speaker 3>instigated a problem with him, like, they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>get involved too much with it. So they just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of told him stay away from her. You stay away

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<v Speaker 3>from him, because like it's already on police records and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>So if anything like really happens between us, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>those targets would be brought back up, but they'd be

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<v Speaker 3>brought up on my dad. So him, like him instigating

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<v Speaker 3>things with me could potentially get my dad in legal trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>But like he's always like literally up until I got married,

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<v Speaker 3>he was always like around and trying to like cause problems.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's kind of when I started the Facebook

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<v Speaker 3>was as soon as I left him. Sorry, that was

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<v Speaker 3>a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, No, no, don't be sorry. I mean this is

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<v Speaker 1>a mess, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Story kind of help?

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<v Speaker 1>I know it does?

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<v Speaker 2>Story helped terify it?

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<v Speaker 1>Does? It does? It does? Because I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of go from you know, now that you

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<v Speaker 1>give me this backstory, I I kind of go from

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she needs to move on to Now, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is coming from a point where this is not

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, an ex that you're not over. This

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<v Speaker 1>is your uh you know, policing, uh you know, his whereabouts,

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<v Speaker 1>out of out of out of your own you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fear for your safety.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my girlfriend at the time

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<v Speaker 3>when all that happened. And then she went and like

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<v Speaker 3>helped me move out and then moved all of her

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<v Speaker 3>stuff in like as like all of this like legal

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<v Speaker 3>stuff and this like all started erupting. She just like

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<v Speaker 3>up and left my dad and moved in.

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<v Speaker 2>With my abusive boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's kind of like really why I started the account,

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to I want to like delete it,

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<v Speaker 3>I really do, but I'm so afraid that like the

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<v Speaker 3>moment I do, something's gonna pop off, even though it's

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<v Speaker 3>been for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah, let me. Can I ask you this too, Leo?

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<v Speaker 1>What what is? What the fuck is stopping you from?

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<v Speaker 1>And I know it's I know there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of situations where the answer to this question can get complicated,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I respect that, but I gotta what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck is stopping you from leaving this shitty little town?

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck is stopping you from getting out of here,

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<v Speaker 1>And I I hate, I hate, I hate the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that this guy you know, I get it, you have

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<v Speaker 1>your friends here, you have your family here. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of reasons. I'm gonna let you speak

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<v Speaker 1>in a second, but there's a lot of reasons why.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hate the idea that you know, you almost

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<v Speaker 1>are you know this this guy is like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>has the power to make you leave. I hate that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is stopping you from leaving? Man? I hate

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<v Speaker 1>this place.

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<v Speaker 3>We actually plan on leaving in next April or mark wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have like a little savings account that we started.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it does us because like me and my

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<v Speaker 3>husband met here, so of course he has his family.

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<v Speaker 3>I have mine, but my family kind of we are

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<v Speaker 3>a different group of dysfunctions, so like we kind of

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<v Speaker 3>are all spread out. We don't really talk to We

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<v Speaker 3>talk to each other, but not like we used to.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just like for me, we do want to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of here. We do plan on it because

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<v Speaker 3>it's a very toxic conservative like backwards town, like everything's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of corrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm so glad to hear that you're leaving, Leah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think you should delete the Facebook account.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you should just focus on getting the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck out of there and if you get if you

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<v Speaker 1>just if you get anything out of this phone call.

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<v Speaker 1>Your brain is like wrapped up in all of the

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<v Speaker 1>everything that that happens to you in this smallest town,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just telling you, if you fucking get anything

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<v Speaker 1>out of this, I want it to be that. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you're so young, don't let your view of the world

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<v Speaker 1>and view of relationships be defined by what happened in

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<v Speaker 1>this fucking place. Just as soon as you can, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking leave it behind and go to a new place

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<v Speaker 1>and move on from this stuff and form a new life,

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<v Speaker 1>because you just can't. Your your life is too valuable

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<v Speaker 1>to be poisoned by a bunch of bullshit going on

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<v Speaker 1>with these fucking people that don't matter anymore. And you

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<v Speaker 1>should just you should just leave and find a new

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<v Speaker 1>course for your life and delete that fucking Facebook account.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually sorry, I'm crying. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 3>get that response, office, but right now good, I'm actually

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<v Speaker 3>beleeting it. Right now I'm guiding to my password to

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<v Speaker 3>delete it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck are you really you're deleting it right now? Yeah? Good?

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<v Speaker 2>Please delete it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about time, please delete it. Yeah. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you give me that backstory, it gives me a

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<v Speaker 1>different perspective onto why you held onto it for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that you have a real therapist, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that you can, because I'm not I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking actually help people deal with their trauma and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you have a real therapist. They can help

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<v Speaker 1>you deal with the trauma of all these things.

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<v Speaker 2>We're kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully we'll make it more up to eighteen soon, but

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<v Speaker 3>good good. Also, I want to apologize for the way

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<v Speaker 3>I hop on the call because I sot talking to

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<v Speaker 3>one of your que guys again, which they are so

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<v Speaker 3>nice by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, no, you know, probably just for anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually didn't know I was on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I I hope you really internalize that. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you really make an effort to move on. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you never fucking think about these people ever. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not worth it. Your your life is too short

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<v Speaker 1>and valuable for you to spend any of your headspace

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<v Speaker 1>in just all this fucking bullshit. And I'm very excited

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<v Speaker 1>for you that you were leaving soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank you, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else that you want to say to

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<v Speaker 1>me or the people of the computer, or that we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to or final thoughts or just anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to say that I had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of adrenaline during the first like five minutes to the call,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was kind of messy, but I if I

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<v Speaker 3>got the whole situation out, so it kind of makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for sharing, and seriously, good luck

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<v Speaker 1>to you as you you move forward on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. You've been a really great help.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome thank you for calling Lea.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>That was super interesting. That evolved in a sense because

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<v Speaker 1>you start off it's again it started off with like

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<v Speaker 1>why is it started for me? It started off very easy.

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<v Speaker 1>It started off like, dude, just delete the Facebook account?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you still obsessed over this guy? And then

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<v Speaker 1>it evolves into oh, she's doing this because she's like scared, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the fear element of it is a

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<v Speaker 1>different thing than just like some you know, nonsensical obsession

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<v Speaker 1>over the past, and when it revealed itself to be

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, a thing of fear is when it

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<v Speaker 1>got complicated for me. And I am so glad that

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<v Speaker 1>she is moving a very difficult thing. I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this. I don't like that, you know, other people

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>are giving her you know, are are sort of forcing

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<v Speaker 1>her out of the situation. But at some point you

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<v Speaker 1>just concede to that. I'm glad she's conceding to that

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<v Speaker 1>and not fighting about it to make her life worse.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I'm happy for her that she's moving out

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<v Speaker 1>and finding a new life, because i mean, shit, all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff was going on when she was eighteen. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that she's had relationships with you know whoever the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck this friend, I don't know. She painted a whole

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a bunch of characters that I'm sure I've

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<v Speaker 1>been around for a while, and I'm sure have been

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 1>around for a little bit too long. And yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>happy for her that she's she's moving on and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, finding a new path for herself in this

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<v Speaker 1>short life. And I appreciate her calling in and being

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable with us. And I'm a gecko guy on the computer,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is all I have to think about that. Hello, Hello, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>is this Riley? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Is this Gekasur rags.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going, Okay, it's going, It's pretty good. I'm vacation

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<v Speaker 5>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're on a family vacation. Where Where at.

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<v Speaker 5>Montana?

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<v Speaker 1>Who goes on vacation to Montana?

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<v Speaker 5>People from Wyoming.

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<v Speaker 1>When I think of Montana and I think of Wyoming,

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<v Speaker 1>I truly think about I imagine the same place.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, do you want me to draw you

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<v Speaker 5>a map with my words?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay? So Wyoming is like just south and it's sandwiched

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<v Speaker 5>between Colorado and Montana. Right, So all of Wyoming is

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<v Speaker 5>like flat, except for some parts that have mountains, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's terribly windy, and all the mountains are kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like flame, and it makes it so nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 5>live there. If you go to Montana, it's slightly less

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<v Speaker 5>windy and there's cooler mountains. Plus there's rivers in Montana.

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<v Speaker 5>So but they're basically the same place.

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<v Speaker 1>Riley. It's says here that you have a secret YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>channel in which you quote do weird shit, and you

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<v Speaker 1>are afraid of somebody finding it because you fear the

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<v Speaker 1>reaction of your friends and family. Tell me, tell me

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<v Speaker 1>more about this YouTube channel. What exactly do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>by weird shit?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I mean it's not all weird shit someone,

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<v Speaker 5>It's like mostly normal. But like most recently, I've been

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<v Speaker 5>working on a video about a snake that I found

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<v Speaker 5>that was dead and I had a funeral for it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's actually kind of a sad story. There's like this

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<v Speaker 5>little baby rattlesnake outside the door of the warehouse that

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<v Speaker 5>I work in. I was there late at night because

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<v Speaker 5>I lived in like a campground and like a trailer

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 5>and I don't have a shower, so I was there

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 5>late showering and he was so cute, so I took

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<v Speaker 5>a video of him, and the next day I found

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<v Speaker 5>him dead in the gutter. So I had a dramatic

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 5>episode and decided to have a funeral for it. And

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<v Speaker 5>I just think that's not really a normal thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a that's nice that you, you know,

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>formed this brief yet passionate connection, And uh, I can

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I can see why you had a need to mourn it.

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Why do you believe that your friends and family would

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>respond negatively to this snake funeral video?

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't think my immediate family would be like

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<v Speaker 5>weirded out by it because they already know I'm weird.

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 5>But like my extended family on.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad's side, they.

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 5>They're a little like judgmental, and I get I get

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<v Speaker 5>some of that just for like the weird stuff I

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 5>do anyways, like they an example would be like they'd

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 5>be appalled that all summer I've been living in a

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 5>camper trailer in like a campground. They just think that's

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 5>that's not the way to live.

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<v Speaker 1>And so really, what right? Well, really, why Riley? Why

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>do you care what your extended f family thinks about you,

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>what you do with your you know time? Why does

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>it matter if they think that something you do is weird?

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 5>So I don't think it doesn't really matter to me

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<v Speaker 5>a whole lot, But I'm just worried I'm gonna get

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 5>like weird comments at family reunions, being like, oh I

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 5>saw you on YouTube, like playing with a dead snake.

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 5>That's fucking weird. Why are you like this? Because always

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 5>I already get like some of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Relly, Listen, you can't you can't live your life or

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>not live your life based on what your extended family

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>might say to you at the occasional family reunion. It's

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>a terrible way to live.

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 5>So, Okay, there's another part to this story.

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>What is it?

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 5>It is a terrible way to live. It's more like

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<v Speaker 5>so that's part of the reason why I haven't told

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<v Speaker 5>people it because I'm not necessarily worried about people finding

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<v Speaker 5>out about it. I'm trying to decide if I should

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<v Speaker 5>like tell people about it and like advertise that I'm

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 5>doing this and be like, look at the things I've made,

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 5>or if it should just be like a privately creative thing.

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm worried that if I like tell all my friends

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 5>and family about it, and like I put it online

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 5>and I kind of brand myself with it, that like

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 5>I may have to take on some responsibility of being

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<v Speaker 5>like an influencer, and I'm not sure if I want

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 5>to be in the spotlight like that, even if it's

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<v Speaker 5>only like with five thousand people or like less.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's explore that you make these videos, You make

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<v Speaker 1>them at this at this very moment. You make them

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>for an audience of virtually no one. Correct yes, myself, okay,

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you make them for yourself out of your own enjoyments.

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 1>You are debating whether or not to take it further

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<v Speaker 1>and attempt to actually have people watch these things that

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you do. You're like a I don't want to use

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the word vlogger, but you do miscellaneous non you do miscellaneous,

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>somewhat deviant things such as hold funerals for snakes. Yeah,

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you enjoy doing those things. You enjoy documenting them just

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>for yourself, and you're wondering whether or not you should

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>show them to other people. Okay, so when you are

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>thinking about the pros as to why you might want

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>an audience of people to watch you hold snake funerals,

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>what would those pros be?

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<v Speaker 5>So I think about the financial incentive for sure, if

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<v Speaker 5>it ever came to that, I wouldn't I don't think

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 5>I would like leave my career path to be like run.

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<v Speaker 4>Off to be YouTuber.

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<v Speaker 5>But if it ever got like big enough to make

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of money, that would be nice. Not

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<v Speaker 5>gonna lie, I don't know.

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>That's the kind.

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 5>Of lifestyle I want to live. M Yeah. Especially the

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 5>kind of lifestyle I want to live is a little

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 5>more remote and like the harder, be harder to pull

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 5>down like a sable job. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>freedom within that if I were able to make money

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<v Speaker 5>from it one day?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, right? I think that's a I I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a legitimate that's a legitimate reason to to

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<v Speaker 1>want to do that. I think that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of I think there's a lot to be gained

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<v Speaker 1>on trying to build a business based on the things

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that you're passionate about. And I think that that is

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<v Speaker 1>uh completely within reason for you to do, if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 5>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So tell me more about the cons then.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I would be kind of putting myself out there.

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 5>And like, I think that there's a certain there's a

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 5>certain desirability to privacy, and that's something that I really

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 5>tend to value just general, Like I don't I want

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 5>people like kind of around me. I like, I like

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 5>my stuff to be very private, and I know that

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 5>about myself. So I'm worried that eventually, if people were

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 5>to watch this, I would feel like I'm losing some

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 5>of that and like that would bother me eventually, But

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure because I've never been in that scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give you advice that I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>one of the only few people that can I can

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<v Speaker 1>give this. You should wear a costume of some kind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm serious I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 5>You know that's not a bad idea.

0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I should wear costumes because I go out in public

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and nobody has ever, ever, ever with no costume. It's

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<v Speaker 1>happened maybe two or three times where somebody has said

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to me, hey, you're the guy from TikTok. When I

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>wear the costume, I get it a lot. But if

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not wearing the costume, I have my complete another privacy.

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>So if you're afraid of that, but you still want

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>to try to build a brand their business on being

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>yourself and doing the things that you enjoy, which I

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 1>think is a worthwhile thing to pursue. I really do.

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you know, people might have their opinions

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>of whatever, but I think it's a worthwhile thing to do.

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:42.799
<v Speaker 1>If you want to do it and you're concerned about

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 1>your privacy, wear a costume, maybe a snake, and then

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>do your vlogs or whatever it is you do.

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was gonna ask you what kind of costume

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 5>should I wear?

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you that. You have to decide that

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>on your own. That gecko came to me, okay, and

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:02.479
<v Speaker 1>your animal will come to you as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Did it did it come to you in a dream

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 5>or like a vision or did it just like hit you.

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>At you?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh that makes sense, Riley.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is before we go. Do you out

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<v Speaker 1>of the tell me? Tell me your flat out of

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>out of what I have told you over the course

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 1>of this conversation. What are your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thinking that I don't know if the costume I

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 5>do would work for me. I think it's a good idea,

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 5>but some of the contents I also make is like

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 5>nature based, where I like hike because I'm like a

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 5>like a park ranger kind of, and so I make

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 5>a lot of like outdoor content, and I don't know

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 5>if it would be all that practical for me to

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 5>walk around at work and like when I'm outside hiking

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 5>in like a tiger costume or something.

0:36:59.560 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:04.919
<v Speaker 5>But I'm kind of leaning towards putting it out there

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 5>just to kind of see what happens with it.

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think you know what I I don't like.

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I like doing it, and I think that

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 5>as long as I like doing it, that if people watch,

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 5>it's okay. But I'm not sure, Like I'm scared of

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 5>what can happen in the future. But I'm do not

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 5>think about that.

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I think. Yeah, two final things with that is, uh,

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you know you're afraid, you're you're telling me that you're

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 1>afraid of like what your extended family will think of

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 1>you doing these snake funerals. And you know, Riley, your

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>life is going to be a lot better if you

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 1>choose to just fucking live freely and not give a

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>fuck about what people think of you. And if you

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 1>want to maintain your privacy. This is the second thing.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of ways for you to do that.

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so there are some extremely famous and successful

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Internet people who have never shown their faces before. You

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>could just make videos where you are hiking through the

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>woods and just talking and the camera is facing the

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the trail. I mean, you could give your snake funeral

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>video without showing your face. So there's a lot of

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>different ways to do it if you want to do it.

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 1>But uh, try try and get over fixating on what

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 1>your extended family or anyone else on the internet might

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>think of you and what you do.

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 5>You know, Gek, that's a really good point. I didn't

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 5>really consider just not putting my face in it.

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't have to. You can make a really

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>good videos without putting your face in there. Yeah, no,

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's that's the thing if you scroll through,

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>if you I dude, I could talk about TikTok and

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the Internet creator economy shit forever because like, if you

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>scroll through TikTok or YouTube, you will find many, many,

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 1>many creative people who have found uh different ways to

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>express themselves that are not the standard. Hey, how's it going, guys?

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to my whatever fucking thing?

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 5>You know?

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 1>So take that into consideration. Uh, is there anything else

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:14.839
<v Speaker 1>want to say to the people in the computer before

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>we go? Riley?

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 5>You know what, I'm feeling spontaneous and aspired inspired right now?

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Good?

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.880
<v Speaker 5>And I think I should just do it. Can I

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 5>plug myself.

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>If you would like too? Sure?

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 5>Okay, Uh, it's Riley does Alaska.

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>You live in Alaska?

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 5>I lived in Alaska. I don't live in Alaska anymore.

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to live in Riley does Alaska. Okay. I'm

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna check out your videos because I'm trying to go

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>to Alaska soon and maybe they'll have some insight for him.

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I'll be your tour guide.

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Where where in Alaska? Yeah you don't have to tell

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 1>me out hit, but where in Alaska. Should I go?

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:56.839
<v Speaker 1>If I want to be a get go there and

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:57.720
<v Speaker 1>do stuff.

0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.879
<v Speaker 5>Any grades are cool. There's a lot of people there.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 5>But if you want to like see real Alaskan people,

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 5>go to Fairbanks because they're they're gruff and tumble up

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 5>in Fairbanks and ghosted on the University of Alaska Fairbanks campus.

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Man. I didn't know they had college in Alaska. I

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>thought it was just like bears. Thank you for calling Riley.

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 5>Thanks guys, five, Let's.

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Talk to Kimbo. How are you, Kimbo?

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:29.800
<v Speaker 6>Oh, there's a Yeah, I'm good.

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 4>I'm good.

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 6>I actually I have COVID right now, but I'm doing good.

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 1>What's going on with you?

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:47.840
<v Speaker 6>So the past year I have been recovering from a

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 6>traumatic brain injury that I sustained at work, and I'm

0:40:53.640 --> 0:41:02.720
<v Speaker 6>started in grad school estimated the month with accommodations and yeah,

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 6>a lot going on with that.

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, Can I can I mention what you told the

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 1>call screener?

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it says here that you are a future sex therapist.

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I assume that's what you're going to grad school for.

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 6>What I'm going to school for.

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>And you are having trouble finding love?

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that sounds really cheaty to hear it repeated back

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:32.240
<v Speaker 6>to me. But it's true.

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you? Are you in your head? Like I'm

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna start projecting onto you and you tell me if

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>it's accurate in your head?

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 6>Are you?

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>How am I supposed to help couples with sex therapy

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>if if I myself cannot find love.

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<v Speaker 6>I've definitely had that creeping fear. But I don't know.

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 6>I like I've reflected on my situation, Like, first of all,

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 6>when you have a traumatic brain injury, you should not

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 6>date people. That's a that's not good. But I now

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 6>that I've been cleared to start approaching life again by

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 6>my neurologist, I'm like, oh man, I don't really have

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 6>an excuse anymore, and I have to actually like start

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 6>dating again, and I don't really enjoy dating.

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, if I could back up for like a

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 1>second here, If I go back up for a second,

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>you laugh, because you know what I'm gonna say. Why

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>you're why is this so immediately presenting itself as like

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a chore that you have to do? Why do you

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 1>why do you? Why are you saying it like that

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 1>you that you have to now go out and date people?

0:42:55.600 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 6>Well, well, no, I guess it's not. I guess I

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 6>was talking about it like it's a chore. It's more like, well,

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 6>like like there are people I'm interested in. I think

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:17.800
<v Speaker 6>it's because. Okay, So I'm I'm semisexual, which means I

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 6>can't really use dating apps or things like that because

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.399
<v Speaker 6>I need an emotional connection before I can even find

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 6>a person attractive. So so just I feel like everything,

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<v Speaker 6>like I feel like most of dating right now is

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 6>dating apps and then i'm I'm trying. I also I

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 6>want I want my my partner to be Jewish, and

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:53.839
<v Speaker 6>that just really narrows the dating pool. And yeah, I

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 6>just I do feel like my intersection, my intersecting identities

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:05.280
<v Speaker 6>dating difficult. But it also means that I really understand myself.

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, no, I was going to say,

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you're on the hunt for an n j M. Nice,

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a nice Jewish man. Sorry, continue, I want to hear

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the rest of your of your thoughts about this this

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:27.760
<v Speaker 1>area of your life.

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 6>So okay, So I'm I'm feminine, presenting, non binary, I'm Jewish, demisexual,

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:45.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm pan sexual. I'm kinky, but I'm not kinky until

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 6>once we start having sex. So I go from basically

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 6>like very very like asexual to being very sexual, and which,

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.360
<v Speaker 6>like anyone anyone listening to this who has dated a

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 6>demisexual can understand why that would be confusing or frustrating.

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's a shame that you don't like

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.399
<v Speaker 1>the dating ass because you just wrote yourself a very

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:13.800
<v Speaker 1>descriptive dating profile bio.

0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 6>Thank you, thank well. I really know myself, but I've

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 6>also been told that I'm extremely intimidating for all those reasons.

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:29.479
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. So I've got a couple questions for you.

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 1>One is, uh, why why are you looking for a partner.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm a very romantic person and I love infusing romance

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 6>into my own life, my my friendships, my relationship with

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 6>the universe. But I would like to be able to

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 6>channel that into a person or people romantically. That would

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 6>be really nice. And I just I've been i haven't

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 6>been in a relationship that's been longer than six months

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 6>in almost six years, So I just feel like I've

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<v Speaker 6>had a lot of time to get to know myself

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:16.879
<v Speaker 6>and I really want to share myself with others romantically.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a very poetic and introspective answer, which is

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that's a good sign.

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 6>That's that's better than I am a very poetic, introspective person.

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot better than just saying I'm afraid to

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:38.320
<v Speaker 1>be alone. So that's a good place to start. Okay,

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Now I want.

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<v Speaker 6>To actually enjoy my own company a little too much.

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Sure, Sure, No, I understand that. I understand that I want. Okay,

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>so let's go back to at the very beginning of this,

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you were like looking at dating as a chore and

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you were like, oh, I have to date again, and

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you were saying it in this very negative way, and

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 1>then us, now you gave us this whole I am

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a romantic person. I want to share a part of myself,

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>which is like the complete opposite of the way that

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>you were describing your romantic vision at the beginning of this. Right, Okay,

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 1>So would you say that what you just said now

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 1>is more reflective of the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 6>I think part of the problem is that I am

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.719
<v Speaker 6>clearly picky, Like I know, I've been single long enough

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.279
<v Speaker 6>to know exactly what I want, so it's not as

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 6>if I don't have opportunities. I think I'm also oblivious

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 6>when people are into me, which is another layer to this.

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.879
<v Speaker 6>So I think the way I was talking about dating

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:58.720
<v Speaker 6>before is reflective of my apprehension around miscommunications that can occur.

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm uh. I think being picky is a good

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:09.319
<v Speaker 1>thing in most aspects of life. I think, I think

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know at most and a lot of aspects

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 1>of life, being picky is a good thing. And I

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:16.319
<v Speaker 1>think you know with your romantic partner. Yeah, if you

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>fucking should be picky. You're trying to find a person

0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:21.040
<v Speaker 1>to be with for the rest of your life, you

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>should be extremely picky about that if that's what you

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 1>are looking for. But I do want to try. I

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:30.919
<v Speaker 1>want to try to change your mind on one thing.

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 6>Oh, let's hear it.

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I think I think that if you are really in

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hate dating apps. I don't. I don't

0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:46.359
<v Speaker 1>like them at all. But I feel like if you're

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to put yourself out there for the maximum opportunity

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to meet the kind of person that you want to meet,

0:48:55.520 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I think you should be less afraid of them.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not afraid of the app. I'm actually more I'm

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 6>not trying to dismiss what you're saying. I appreciate your

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 6>approach to this.

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm down.

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:18.320
<v Speaker 6>No, No. Repexually dismissing you. I feel that the apps

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 6>are a misrepresentation of opportunity, we think, because we're seeing

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 6>hundreds of people a day scroll past us. Especially if

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:29.799
<v Speaker 6>you're like myself and you select everyone as far as

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:34.800
<v Speaker 6>who has shown to you, those aren't truly opportunities. There's

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 6>you know, there's probably only a few people on that

0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:41.400
<v Speaker 6>app that you can truly connect with. And I have

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 6>found in my experience of dating apps that people grossly

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 6>misrepresent themselves, and I show up extremely authentically. I feel

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:54.680
<v Speaker 6>that people wear a mask when they're dating, which we

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.400
<v Speaker 6>all do to a degree, because we want to represent

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 6>the best parts of ourselves, right, We want make a

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:06.000
<v Speaker 6>good impression. But I accept the bad parts of myself

0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 6>that I don't particularly like, and my friends embrace that

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 6>about me, and I embrace that about my friends, And

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 6>I think to love someone fully, you have to accept

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:21.439
<v Speaker 6>the negative parts of them.

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:21.919
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:27.960
<v Speaker 6>However, when when someone who is in denial about the

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 6>parts of themselves that they dislike and someone shows up

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.560
<v Speaker 6>in their life and says, oh, no, I see that

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 6>in you, and I love that part of you even

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 6>though I don't like it, that is terrifying. That's extremely

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 6>uncomfortable for people, so well can actually so that kind

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:47.440
<v Speaker 6>of accepts I think everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I think everything you're saying. I think everything you're saying

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>is great. You know. I think that you sound like

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 1>you're comfortable being authentically yourself. You sound like you're not

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 1>afraid of being authentically yourself, which is really important as

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:02.759
<v Speaker 1>you're going out into the dating world. But what you

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:05.880
<v Speaker 1>just said to me has nothing to do with dating

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:08.479
<v Speaker 1>apps because the I think what people get wrong about

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>these apps is that all these profiles, they are representations

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:17.440
<v Speaker 1>of real people, so like it can seem artificial and whatnot.

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:23.879
<v Speaker 1>But once you are connected with another shop, yes, once

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.400
<v Speaker 1>you're connected with another person over this app, it's almost

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:30.279
<v Speaker 1>as if you met at at the freaking coffee shop

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 1>that you meet them at in person. Is the app

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 1>is no longer a relevant part of the interaction. So

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.879
<v Speaker 1>I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it's

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 1>relevant to to dating apps.

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<v Speaker 6>You might be right about that, I think, I think

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 6>what so the element in like revealing your true self

0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 6>that I was referencing that that seemed kind of like

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't answering your question. The element that's missing it

0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 6>is time and teasing and I really I really need

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:14.840
<v Speaker 6>a lot of time, like with transitions, so and being demisexual,

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:19.760
<v Speaker 6>it's when you're demisexual, it's really like you're asexual until

0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 6>you're not until you have an emotional connection with the person.

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 1>But Kimbo, you live in the world where you can

0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 1>go on the computer. You okay Cupid, and you can,

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, take advantage, for God's sake, take advantage. You

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:36.360
<v Speaker 1>can go Kimbo.

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:36.840
<v Speaker 2>You can.

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Little people, you can hit little you can hit a

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 1>little checkbox that says you can hit the there's a

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.920
<v Speaker 1>checkbox that says filter out by Jewish someone.

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:48.240
<v Speaker 6>Who's willing to flirt with people.

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I just all I'm saying, saying you sorry.

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 6>I come from New Jersey. It says we don't know.

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.840
<v Speaker 1>How to okay, it's okay. I'm saying to you is

0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 1>that if this is important to you, you should try.

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 1>You should put in you know, you put in the

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:07.719
<v Speaker 1>effort where you can. That's all I'm saying. And I

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 1>feel like you're dismissing the dating apps if that's what

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.440
<v Speaker 1>you want to you know, I feel like dismissing the

0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 1>dating apps is a mistake. That's all I'm saying is

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a mistake because you live in a

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:21.200
<v Speaker 1>world where never before could you go on a website

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and go show me Jewish demisexual guys at this age

0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that live in this location, and the computer goes, yes,

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:33.399
<v Speaker 1>here you go take advantage of that. That's all I'm saying.

0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 6>I mean, but.

0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 1>There's Jay Swipe, there's Jay Date, there's coffee meat. What

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:48.319
<v Speaker 1>is the bagel locks thing? There's some bagel meets locks,

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:51.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever the fuck it is. Anyway, Kimbo, before we go,

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:56.799
<v Speaker 1>do you have any final thoughts about anything that we

0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:59.399
<v Speaker 1>have talked about over the course of this phone call,

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 1>or anything you want to say to the people of.

0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:07.719
<v Speaker 6>The computer, I'll say two things. One, I will reconsider

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 6>dating apps. I appreciate you putting that back on my radar.

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:14.799
<v Speaker 2>And then to.

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 6>Everyone else, I'll say, surround yourself with really good people

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:27.920
<v Speaker 6>and just love one another. And don't let a kind

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 6>word flip your mind. Like, if there's something kind or

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 6>loving you want to say to a person, don't be

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:35.600
<v Speaker 6>embarrassed to say you should just say it.

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for calling Kimba. That a great night, And

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 1>by the way, if it makes you feel any better

0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>about the whole sex therapist trying to find love thing.

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:55.439
<v Speaker 1>I reluctantly. I reluctantly give relationship advice to people all

0:54:55.520 --> 0:55:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the time. I've never been in a serious relationship. I

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 1>have no business giving the advice, but I do it

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:07.360
<v Speaker 1>anyway because this is the Internet and you can do

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:12.799
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want on here, including be a gecko. Hello.

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:18.359
<v Speaker 4>Hello, how are you? I'm doing pretty good?

0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Huh by yourself, I am doing pretty good as well.

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.719
<v Speaker 1>What are you up to at this very moment in time?

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm in bed. I have to go to sleep soon.

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you sound really tired. Do also sound like you're

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:36.800
<v Speaker 1>very far away from the phone.

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.919
<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty pretty close next to my ear.

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:45.240
<v Speaker 4>I have to wake up at five for work.

0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:48.359
<v Speaker 1>What do you do?

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:51.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm a welder?

0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what kind of stuff do you wild?

0:55:56.680 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 4>Pretty much like marine type, stainless steel, aluminum, carb and steel.

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.120
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's usually the fun stuff.

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I will make this phone call quick so that you

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:11.760
<v Speaker 1>can get to bed. How can I get you today?

0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:20.360
<v Speaker 4>I was talking to your amazing person, Tim, and pretty

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:22.719
<v Speaker 4>much I wanted to call you because, like this has

0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:27.280
<v Speaker 4>been a recent epiphany for me. I recently quit porn

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 4>while trying to it's still pretty hard because I feel

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:35.600
<v Speaker 4>like I'm addicted to it and it's not. And I understand,

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.719
<v Speaker 4>like it was always like a negative thing about it,

0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:42.560
<v Speaker 4>but I you know, recently that I just got a girlfriend,

0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:45.480
<v Speaker 4>it's just been more apparent that, yeah, I should stop

0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:45.920
<v Speaker 4>doing this.

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 1>What sorts of things have you been noticing that are

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:53.840
<v Speaker 1>keying you into the idea that you have an addiction.

0:56:56.160 --> 0:57:01.440
<v Speaker 4>It's more of like like I like watching peel be porn.

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 4>I like pretending that am I allowed to like curse.

0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Or have to. You can say whatever you want. You

0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:14.600
<v Speaker 1>can graphically describe the pornography that you are watching, as

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<v Speaker 1>long as it's not illegal. You want no, no.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, it's it's all. It's all you know, regular stuff,

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:24.800
<v Speaker 4>but it's basically pov I. You know, I pretend that

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<v Speaker 4>the penis is my penis, and you know, whatever porn

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<v Speaker 4>star that I come across, I'm like, I imagine myself being there.

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 4>I like I like when they show the penetration because

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.520
<v Speaker 4>I feel like, oh snap, I could feel this, like

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<v Speaker 4>this is something that I want to feel, and yeah

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<v Speaker 4>it's not. It's definitely not healthy. So I'm just I

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<v Speaker 4>took a step back. You know, my favorite porn stars.

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:53.320
<v Speaker 4>You know, Geena Valentina, you know the big name one Lanea, Gray, Blake, Blossom,

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 4>all of them, all of them gorgeous, gorgeous bodies, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not a it's not healthy. So I like pull

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<v Speaker 4>the step back, especially because I recently got a girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>She's gorgeous, and you know, I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about all of those women and all of their

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<v Speaker 4>bodies while I'm with my girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that is a great reason to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like you've identified it as an issue and

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<v Speaker 1>you're working to correct it. Yes, so is your issue

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<v Speaker 1>that no continue? Please?

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<v Speaker 4>You are the second person I ever told that I

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<v Speaker 4>had this type of problem. I've like it's been like

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<v Speaker 4>it's been a consistent thing, like since I was like fourteen,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the first?

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<v Speaker 4>My brother?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what'd your brother say?

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<v Speaker 4>He understood? He didn't understand the full extent of it

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:03.720
<v Speaker 4>until I recently explain it to him and he was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 4>uh yeah. I mean he's like pretty much encouraging me

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<v Speaker 4>to keep it up. He's like, don't completely go cold turkey.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, you know, you know you could do it,

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<v Speaker 4>like at least once a week, and I'm like, I can't.

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:24.360
<v Speaker 4>I physically can't because then I just go crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're attempting to do this just cold turkey. You

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<v Speaker 1>are going to quit porn forever?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean eventually when I have a grasp of

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<v Speaker 4>it and I could actually go like instead of like like,

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<v Speaker 4>let's just say tonight, like if I do it, then tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 4>if I do it again, then the next day that

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:51.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, okay, then the habit is continuing. So I

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<v Speaker 4>then that's when I'm like, I'll pull back. But if

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<v Speaker 4>I could do it, well.

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<v Speaker 1>When is the last time that you did it that

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<v Speaker 1>you watched porn?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? Yesterday?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? And before that, what was your what was your

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<v Speaker 1>longest streak without watching porn?

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<v Speaker 4>A month?

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<v Speaker 1>A month? Okay, so you did a month. How was

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<v Speaker 1>that month for you?

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<v Speaker 4>I was pretty good, like working out and I felt better,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, sleep was better, you know, being wanting to

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<v Speaker 4>meddle with my girlfriend. I never had a performance problem

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<v Speaker 4>with my girlfriend. It was always a fear because of

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<v Speaker 4>the amount of porn I watch and like to have

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<v Speaker 4>a performance issue, but it was never an issue. And

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<v Speaker 4>then after I realized it was not an issue, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know obviously, like I continue, you know, just the

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<v Speaker 4>sex got better and all that stuff. I was more

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<v Speaker 4>sensitive down there, and yeah it was. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 4>a statful of pluses.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, in the midst of your addiction, when it's at

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<v Speaker 1>its worst, how many times a day are we are

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<v Speaker 1>we hopping on the hub?

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<v Speaker 4>Like eight? Nine?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Okay? Is it nine? We're jerking off to completion

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<v Speaker 1>nine times?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Good? You know I'm gonna be on. I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you something. Going from jerking off to completion nine times

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<v Speaker 1>and a day? Was it nine times in a day?

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<v Speaker 1>Every day?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's usually like once a day, but like on

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<v Speaker 4>the weekends when I have nothing better to do, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm really going at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Kay. To go from well, once a day is not

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<v Speaker 1>that bad. But I mean everybody has sort of their

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<v Speaker 1>own metric as to what is that bad that they

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<v Speaker 1>decide for themselves. But regardless, to go from that to

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<v Speaker 1>a full month, it's pretty great. So this is something

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<v Speaker 1>you have achieved already. Now tell me what caused that

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<v Speaker 1>month to end? When did you have your relapse?

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<v Speaker 4>My girlfriend caught COVID, so I haven't seen her in

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<v Speaker 4>like two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. And so because you were not able to be

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<v Speaker 1>intimate with your girlfriends, you went back to jerking off. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>now were you jerking off? Was this no jerking off

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<v Speaker 1>or just no porn?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh cold turkey, no jerking off, no porn?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? And so in the past two weeks, how often

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<v Speaker 1>have you been jerking off?

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<v Speaker 4>Probably like in total, like five.

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<v Speaker 1>Times a day or five times in total in the week?

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<v Speaker 4>Five yeah, five times in totals in two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian, you sound like, I mean, everybody decides for themselves

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<v Speaker 1>what they're you know, what is considered an addiction. But

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<v Speaker 1>you sound like you got this under control, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is having an intimate relationship with your girl,

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<v Speaker 1>a consistent intimate relationship with your girlfriend an important part

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<v Speaker 1>of you being able to not masterb it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>You know I really care about this this girl. I

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<v Speaker 4>love her, and you know I don't want to just

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<v Speaker 4>be a reliant on porn and my fantasies. Is you

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<v Speaker 4>know also like in the back of my mind, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just being able to like fantasize that I'm fucking all

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<v Speaker 4>these different women, and you know it just as feels

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<v Speaker 4>like mentally it's not fair for her and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>feel good for me, Like, and I never understood when

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<v Speaker 4>people like said they feel bad after watching porn until

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I like presently got a girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>So where do you feel like you are at with

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<v Speaker 1>this addiction today? Because you seem like you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>good place at least to me, But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I'm asking.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel I feel definitely like I have the control

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<v Speaker 4>of it. I'm I'm really into habits, Like habits are

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<v Speaker 4>usually my go to, Like I go to the gym

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<v Speaker 4>six times a week, you know, a meal prep. So

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<v Speaker 4>once I get a habit down, I'm pretty consistent with it.

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<v Speaker 4>And so if I can make it, If I can

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<v Speaker 4>make this a habit, then I feel like I could

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<v Speaker 4>just get like a firm grasp on it.

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<v Speaker 1>No pun intended, no pun intended. Well, Christian, I own

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really have any anything for you because it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like you're doing but I mean, you're doing fucking

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<v Speaker 1>better than me on this, So I'm not gonna sit

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<v Speaker 1>here and try and give you any fucking advice on

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<v Speaker 1>how to stop watching porn when I watch porn way

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<v Speaker 1>more than you do at this point, Yeah, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have advice?

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<v Speaker 4>For me.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck it? Tell me how do I stop jack off

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<v Speaker 1>ten times a day?

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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea. I mean I feel like if

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<v Speaker 4>you what I what I perceived to be is if

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<v Speaker 4>you think it's a problem, then it's probably a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>And also the fact that you know you're not alone.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that's like a big thing that's like reoccurring

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<v Speaker 4>to me, like with issues, like you kind of feel

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<v Speaker 4>like you're all alone with your issues and then you're here,

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<v Speaker 4>especially on like like I've been listening to your podcast

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<v Speaker 4>forever and I've decided to call because this is the

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<v Speaker 4>reason of the end of mine. Sure, And I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I decided to call because this is a recent event,

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<v Speaker 4>even though I've been listening to you forever, like a

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<v Speaker 4>recent epiphany, but like hearing all the different people that

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<v Speaker 4>you have on and like how I could relate to

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<v Speaker 4>them and some of their issues. I'm like, wow, you

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<v Speaker 4>know it's a small world.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you've inspired me, Christian. Well that's the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm I'm I feel like I'm a functioning pornography consumer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm able to It is not a I don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>It hasn't like I have other vices that have definitely

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<v Speaker 1>gotten in the way of my of my life, but

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<v Speaker 1>porn has never been one of them. I've never been like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my life would be so much better if I stopped

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<v Speaker 1>watching porn. I have other things that my life would

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<v Speaker 1>be better if I stopped doing, but porn. Porn's never

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<v Speaker 1>been seemed to be one of them. But we're here

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about me. I'm glad to hear from you,

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<v Speaker 1>Christian that you are combating this addiction, especially I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>a month without it. I think you'll be able to

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<v Speaker 1>continue your cold Turkey streak even once once your girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>uh returns from her sickness, and I think you will

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<v Speaker 1>have a happy and fulfilling life. Christian. Is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>else you want to say to the people the computer

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<v Speaker 1>before we go?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>No, the only thing like hearing about the flags. I

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<v Speaker 4>kinda started getting into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, what flags are we looking at?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>For?

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<v Speaker 4>I first, UH started looking at my home state, Florida,

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<v Speaker 4>and then my whole country, Mexico, and Uh, I like,

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<v Speaker 4>I like Spain's flag. It's pretty cool as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on, I'm gonna look at Florida. Hold on, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna look at Florida real quick. What's on the Florida flag.

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<v Speaker 4>Florida is boring. It's just like a like a white

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<v Speaker 4>flag that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like an X X Okay, and then what's on this thing? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a X. And then a lady holding sushi

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<v Speaker 1>and some boats. Okay, I mean that's fine. That's like

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<v Speaker 1>a Mexico real quick, I I know what the Mexico. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mexico flag is just there's not like a symbol

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<v Speaker 1>on it, is there? Yeah, it's as uh oh oh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wait. The Mexican flag is bad ass. Look at

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. This is an eagles fucking poeing the snake's

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<v Speaker 1>he's eating a snake and standing on a cactus like

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<v Speaker 1>the little cactus shreds are going into the eagles. This

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<v Speaker 1>is badass. I've never really looked at the Mexican flag

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<v Speaker 1>like this.

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<v Speaker 6>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks for shouting. I'm definitely gonna jack off to

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<v Speaker 1>this later.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, thank you, of course, have a good question

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<v Speaker 4>to hear you too. Bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks man, sweet sweet man doing better than me goes

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<v Speaker 1>on the line taking your phone calls.

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<v Speaker 3>Every night.

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<v Speaker 1>A beacon goes to his he's teaching you cloud in

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<v Speaker 1>the MIDI your life. He's not really an expert

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<v Speaker 4>H