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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursday's This a Big Lue Kigoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. He's Paul the Tina I'm Lance

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Speaker 1: Medal with you for the next sixty minutes two zero

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Speaker 1: one five one three. That is the telephone arm. We

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Speaker 1: can also interact with us on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat.

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Speaker 1: Later on in the program, we're gonna hear from Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame defensive backs coach also played in the NFL for

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Speaker 1: twelve seasons help the Rams win the Super Bowl over

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Speaker 1: the Titans, Todd Light, so he will be weighing in

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Speaker 1: on Giants fourth round pick Julian Love. Looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to your phone calls, We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to your tweets and reminder, Big Lue Kickoff Live is

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Speaker 1: presented by Cores Light. But first, let's set the table

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Speaker 1: for the upcoming rookie Minicamp, Paul, and that will get

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Speaker 1: underway tomorrow. Players are going to report today and they'll

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Speaker 1: also undrafted players and sometimes street free agents that will

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Speaker 1: The coaching staff is Dave Gettleman mentioned that his press

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Speaker 1: conference they're not at nine D yet and they have

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Speaker 1: some flexibleity to add some players before they get set

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Speaker 1: for training camps. So here's now another golden opportunity to

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Speaker 1: continue to evaluate what's out there in addition to the

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Speaker 1: the players that they had scouted for many months and

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Speaker 1: ultimately drafted. Well, let's make something clear also to the

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Speaker 1: folks out there. These rookies will be involved in on

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Speaker 1: the field activities on Friday and Saturday and Sunday. However,

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Speaker 1: it is only Friday and Saturday that the media will

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Speaker 1: while the rookies are arriving today, that is Thursday, it

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Speaker 1: will only be on Friday and Saturday that you'll get

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Speaker 1: any media reports whatsoever because those are the only days

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Speaker 1: that they'll be allowed to see the players. I just

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Speaker 1: people will say, well, what are you talking about. We

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Speaker 1: I don't want to, well, what what what I'm interested

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Speaker 1: to see what the Giants are bringing in at some

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Speaker 1: of their thinner positions. For example, tremendous competition at wide

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Speaker 1: That's that's the key, I'll of it that you want

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Speaker 1: The priority right now is for him to take care

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Speaker 1: space at that position. The draft gives him an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to have some flexibility. So that's the way that I

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Speaker 1: look at what they're doing right now. They're moving pieces

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Speaker 1: around and they're retooling through the vision and lens of

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Speaker 1: Dave geentleman. But who's to say that a team that

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Speaker 1: can't can't make so many changes also can't compete. And

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Speaker 1: look at the Indianapolis Colts. Chris Ballard has built that

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Speaker 1: team through the draft. He had another solid draft in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs last season. And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: sell you on the Giants winning a Super Bowl this

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Speaker 1: season or winning the division. The point is there's like

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Speaker 1: four new teams every single year that make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So this whole narrative that well, once you're bring in

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Speaker 1: young player is there's no way you're gonna be competitive.

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Speaker 1: Well then look at NFL history, because I think that

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Speaker 1: will prove you wrong. And look at the Jets. They

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Speaker 1: won six games, well, exactly because young guys can produce.

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Speaker 1: The last time I checked, young guys don't come in

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Speaker 1: and just say, hey, coach, you'll give me five years,

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Speaker 1: then I'll be ready to play doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 1: So this is what I'll say to you. Guys, they

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Speaker 1: got a ton of colors as Giants fans, you can't

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Speaker 1: complain that things haven't been working for the last you know,

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Speaker 1: five or six seven seasons, and then you're bringing the

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Speaker 1: GM to change things and you're still mad. That's very

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Speaker 1: true because we remember by the middle of the last season,

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Speaker 1: they're only about a dozen guys left on the roster

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Speaker 1: from the year before. Tremendous turns. So you know, what

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Speaker 1: do they tell you about, you know, being dumb and

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Speaker 1: ridiculous and stupid and all those things. You keep doing

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Speaker 1: the same thing over and over again and keep the

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Speaker 1: same guys. We'll get them and get them and turned

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Speaker 1: over the garden to try to grow new plants and

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Speaker 1: new new fruit and vegetables. So how do you complain

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Speaker 1: about that? And tone you will? Let you go on

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Speaker 1: that note, Thank you to appreciate the phone call. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for weighing in, because he's not tied to

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Speaker 1: any of the players that he didn't bring in, so

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Speaker 1: it's understandable that he's gonna move in a different direction. Alright.

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Speaker 1: One final thought for those of you who can't relate

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Speaker 1: to what I said about the GM's responsibility. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make it simple because virtually every one of us, at

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Speaker 1: one time or another have how to go see the

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Speaker 1: doctor about some kind of malady. Either we were sick,

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Speaker 1: or we had to have an operation, or we had

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Speaker 1: to have a consultation about something that was wrong with us.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to this analogy lands because I think everybody

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Speaker 1: can relate to it. If you have something wrong, you

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Speaker 1: gotta go see the doctor about something medical, right. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter how many people may say to you, we

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Speaker 1: don't like that doctor, he's not a good doctor. If

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Speaker 1: you believe in that doctor, Okay, it's your call, and

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Speaker 1: that's the doctor you're gonna choose to take care of

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Speaker 1: whatever it is your malady, Uh is bothering you a Okay,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna make that decision because you believe wholeheartedly that's

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Speaker 1: the best doctor for me. He's the best doctor to

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Speaker 1: repair my shoulder, the best doctor to repair my foot,

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Speaker 1: the best doctor to help me out with with my ulcer,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. And it doesn't matter what people say.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what the Internet says, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what your neighbor says, It doesn't matter what your relatives say,

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Speaker 1: if you believe that doctor is going to help you,

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Speaker 1: that's where you're going, period, end of story. It's the

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Speaker 1: same thing with every GM if you believe that's the player, period,

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Speaker 1: end of story. I'm taking the guy, and I don't

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Speaker 1: understand why it's so hard for people to understand that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just impression. You go with the food analogy. I'm

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Speaker 1: a little surprised. Two zero five one three Travis Is

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Speaker 1: and Queens. Travis, Welcome to Big Blue Keigolf Live. What

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Speaker 1: do you got for us? By What's not your mind? Good?

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Speaker 1: At first, I want to start by congratulating you guys

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Speaker 1: on the draft process. You guys did a terrestic job

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Speaker 1: and thanks to appreciate that. Appreciate it. I think Paul

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Speaker 1: would get the m v PS this year because the

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Speaker 1: tough questions he was asking throughout the whole job drift

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Speaker 1: process A good question. I appreciate it very much. No,

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Speaker 1: but but I to piggyback on what you guys are saying.

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Speaker 1: I agree like like byb Night he said he said

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Speaker 1: it best. He said, listen, if you listen to the fans,

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Speaker 1: you'd be sitting with the fans right right, and My

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Speaker 1: whole thing is for people to call and I don't

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Speaker 1: understand what what people is not listening to Dave gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: When he first was hired, he told us his philosophy.

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Speaker 1: He said he built from the inside album. That's number one,

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Speaker 1: but number two. For people to call and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: they picked this kid too high, I think they are

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Speaker 1: so wrong for the fact that one you, we would

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Speaker 1: never know if he was because we pick them. You

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Speaker 1: can't say he was picked too high because we don't

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Speaker 1: know if he would be there at seven team. On

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Speaker 1: top of that, people that say that, I would say

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Speaker 1: this to them. So if you believe he was, if

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Speaker 1: you believe he was gonna beat it at seven teens

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Speaker 1: and then explain to me why did the Devilo Broncos

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Speaker 1: backed out at number ten, Well, they made the trade

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers. Listen, the bottom line is, Travis, I

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Speaker 1: get your point. It's all speculation. Nobody knows anything about

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Speaker 1: every team's draft board. Nobody has brought one fact to

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Speaker 1: the forefront, an image, a conversation of definitiveness that can

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Speaker 1: prove what would happen if a player was not taking

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Speaker 1: it six and was still on the board. So any

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Speaker 1: conversation moving forward is not founded on fact. It's a

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Speaker 1: wasteless event. It's a wasteless process to go through. Because

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Speaker 1: the draft has happened, We're never redoing it. It's time

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Speaker 1: to move on and right. And then on top of that,

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Speaker 1: like no these kids even play, Yes, when we're saying

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Speaker 1: it was a bad drive, that's crazy. But another thing,

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Speaker 1: like you know what, what people gotta understand too is

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Speaker 1: it's a like fall is not a one man play

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Speaker 1: a game, you know, Like I'm pretty sure, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: I think that's it's gonna be a good player. But

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Speaker 1: you gotta re finished with thirty sacks last year and

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Speaker 1: so did the Patriots and look with it and the

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Speaker 1: winning another super Bowl. So if you if you're if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're basing a team on the future, you

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Speaker 1: go with the future that that you think is gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, put you in the best position down the line.

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Speaker 1: And we will all agree that a quarterback would do

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Speaker 1: that over any other position. And on top of that,

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Speaker 1: who wouldn't take another Like if I was to sell

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Speaker 1: you an athletic Eli Manning, you wouldn't take that. Well, listen, Travis,

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Speaker 1: even when you listen to Dave Gettleman. He was clear

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Speaker 1: and he said both of them were equivalent on the board,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna let you go on that note because

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Speaker 1: we have a guest here on the line, and he said,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you gotta try to the phone call. Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen and Daniel Jones were equivalent grades. They were both

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Speaker 1: on the same line on the board. And I think

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Speaker 1: if you ask most executives if they would have to

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Speaker 1: choose between a quarterback and a defensive lineman or another position,

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Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. You take the quarterback because of

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Speaker 1: the importance of that position. With that being said, it's

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Speaker 1: time to transition to another Giants draft pick, and in

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Speaker 1: the fourth round they took cornerback Julian Love out of

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. And we are now joined by a very

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Speaker 1: special guest to provide more insight on what Julian Love

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Speaker 1: is going to bring to the table to the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants. He is Notre Dame defensive backs coach, but

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Speaker 1: prior to that has some resume. Twelve seasons in the

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Speaker 1: NFL with the Rams and the Lions, helped the Rams

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Speaker 1: win Super Bowl thirty four over the Titans. He also

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Speaker 1: started Notre Dame where he was a two time All

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Speaker 1: American cornerback, and that is none other than Todd light coach.

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Speaker 1: He got Lance Medal. Paulatino with you here on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com Big Blue Kick Off Live. Greatly appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: How's everything today? Everything is wonderful. Everything is wonderful. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me well, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being with us, Todd, and full disclosure. Back in ninety one,

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Speaker 1: when you came out of Notre Dame, the Giants had

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Speaker 1: just went a Super Bowl, so I knew there's no

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Speaker 1: way in the world they were going to have a

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Speaker 1: shot at you because you were gonna go very high

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Speaker 1: in that draft. But my goodness, you were number one

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Speaker 1: defenser back on my radar, and I so badly wanted

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Speaker 1: the Giants to get you, and I just knew it

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Speaker 1: was never gonna happen. So let me just give you

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Speaker 1: that little bouquet of flowers to start this conversation about that. UM.

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Speaker 1: I always followed the Giants because you know, I came

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Speaker 1: from Miss Game, so I was the big Carl Banks

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Speaker 1: and mark Ingram fan. And the very first Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: that I ever went to was with the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants peat to Tampa Bay. I'm sorry, beat the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills in Tampa Bay, and uh, that was a phenomenal game,

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Speaker 1: really really really portable game. And I've always god a

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Speaker 1: been at down out of the closet because Julius, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get right to it, because the Giants, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: got their biggest steel of last week's NFL Draft by

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Speaker 1: grabbing Julian Love the Notre Dame corner in the fourth round.

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Speaker 1: We even heard Dave Gentleman talking the other day in

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Speaker 1: his post draft press conference, Todd saying, hey, in the future,

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Speaker 1: not only can this guy play slotting outside, he might

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Speaker 1: even have a projection at safety. Sounds like they were

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Speaker 1: just in love with this guy getting him on the

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Speaker 1: third day. What are some of your thoughts? You know what,

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Speaker 1: after he didn't get picked in the third round. In

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Speaker 1: my humble opinion, I thought he was gonna go somewhere

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Speaker 1: between fifty five, but then he dropped to one oh

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Speaker 1: weight and um after the third round, you know, passed

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Speaker 1: and he wasn't to take. Obviously, everybody was a little

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Speaker 1: bit disappointed. But I told him, I said, listen, the

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Speaker 1: main thing now is just you know, you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: really quickly in the fourth. You know, the main thing

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Speaker 1: is to get to a good organization. You know, the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants and one of the outstanding organizations in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. And you know Past Sermer and that staff

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Speaker 1: do a really really good job. You know, Past Smer

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Speaker 1: one of the brightest minds in all of football. And uh,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get that thing turned around and no time soon.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'm really really excited about their program in

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Speaker 1: the direction that the New York Giants are going because

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Speaker 1: you know, for me, Um, I didn't get a chance

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Speaker 1: to watch the whole entire draft, but I was I

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Speaker 1: was curious, like, what did the New York Giants fans

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Speaker 1: feel about the draft, because I know the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants fans a little bit thick or were they happy?

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Speaker 1: Were they love to disappointed? Where where were they at?

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Speaker 1: You know, in terms of the overall picture from the

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Speaker 1: Giants fans, Well, Todd, you should have heard some of

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Speaker 1: our shows right after the draft. I think that would

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Speaker 1: have probably given you the answer. I would say, after

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Speaker 1: the number sixth overall pick with Daniel Jones, the opinions

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Speaker 1: have been pretty favorable in terms of the defense, it's

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Speaker 1: number six. That has been a very interesting selection in

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Speaker 1: the minds of the fans. I think that's a fair

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Speaker 1: assessment of the current situation. I got you, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to coach against the young man

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Speaker 1: from Duke. He's a phenomenal quarterback. I think he'll do

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Speaker 1: a great job obviously. You know, he's got great football intelligence.

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Speaker 1: He's smart player. Um, you're gonna be fundamentally sound because

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Speaker 1: he was coached by one of the best. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he does a good job of you know, moving his

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Speaker 1: eyes and manipulating defenders defensively. Uh. I think he'll do

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Speaker 1: a good job obviously, you know. And he can't play forever.

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Speaker 1: We all love him, but you know, don't be a

643
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Speaker 1: transition at some point. And uh, I think they got

644
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: a good one. This is outstanding. We get bonus scouting

645
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: with from Todd Light on the Giants quarterback selection. We

646
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: really wanted to get your thumbnail sketch though on the

647
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: skills uh that Julian Love brings to the table and

648
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: what you think he'll do really well uh here in

649
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: the NFL, and what you'd like to see him polish

650
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: up on as he embarks on his pro career. You

651
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: know what I think that you know, in terms of

652
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: playing at the highest level in the NFL, I think

653
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: he'll be making the immediate impact um on the Giants

654
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: in terms of their third count package. UM. I see

655
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: him making an impact on special teams. You know, Julian

656
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: is a very strong player. He's a very smart player.

657
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: He has great good stincts. Um. He loved the game,

658
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: He studies all the time, does a really really good

659
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: job of understanding his opponents, and he does a really

660
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: great job of understanding scheme because you know what we

661
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: try to teach the Notre Dame is, you know, defensively,

662
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: have an understanding of what everyone is doing on the defense,

663
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: so you know where you helping. You can have the

664
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: ability to play to it. Julian has the type of

665
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: skill set where he can play on the outside. He

666
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: could play in the slot and did He's a sure

667
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: enough tackling where he can transition the safety if they

668
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: needed to play safety. So I think his position versatility

669
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be really key because they're gonna be able

670
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: to move him around and get favorable matchups. That's going

671
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: to help him win a third down and then the

672
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: longer run, helping win a lot of football games. Todd

673
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: liked defensive backs coach at Notre Dame joining us on

674
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: the program. What did teams miss on him? Todd? That

675
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: allowed him to drop to the fourth round to the Giants.

676
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: I think it was the forty time that he ran

677
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: at the combine. Um. I think the number that he

678
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: put up, I can't remember what it was, but it

679
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: wasn't what everybody was looking for, and I think that's

680
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: disappointed a lot of people. But one thing you gotta

681
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: understand about Julian he plays the game really fast, you

682
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's kind of comparable to like, uh,

683
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: let's say Jerry Rice, where he maybe he didn't run

684
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: a great four e time, but in the game, he's

685
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: gonna run four for all day. And that's the type

686
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: of players Juliet is. Once you put the helmet, the

687
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: shoulder pasm on, just go time, he's gonna He's gonna

688
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: have enough speed to get the job done. Coach, you

689
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: brought up his versatility, and that's something that Dave Gettlman

690
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: has emphasized. And when you look at him from a

691
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: statistical standpoint, the number that jumps out to me is

692
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: the past breakups. He set the single season record at

693
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. He also set the career record for past breakups.

694
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: What is it about his play that enables him to

695
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: be essentially in the right place at the right time

696
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: so often throughout his career. He has great reactive athleticism um.

697
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: He does a great job of reading um the wide

698
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: receivers in their transitions to break um depending on whether

699
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: he's in the dominant position or he's in the non

700
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: dominant position. He knows what the look for to get

701
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: to the end of the route so he can get

702
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: a win. And that's what we always talk about at

703
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: the unversit ority him trying to get to the end

704
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: of the round and how to win at the end

705
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: of the route. So all the training that he's done,

706
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's taken it and he's run with it.

707
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: He's perfected it, and we always talk about perfecting technique

708
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: and mastering techniques. That he's done a really really good

709
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: job of that. Whether he's in phase or out of phase.

710
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: He does how to play the ball in the air.

711
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: He knows how to attack it at the highest point.

712
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, he's really really

713
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: good at winning at the end of the route because

714
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: of his competitive toughness, well outstanding physical skills aside tidd

715
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, from playing corner in this league for so long,

716
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: it's instincts and mental toughness that can often separate the

717
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: best guys from just the good guys. Please explain to

718
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: us or give us an example of how he would

719
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: rate in those categories. You know, Um, you know, Julie's

720
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: mental toughness is off the charts. Uh. He came in

721
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: as a true freshman. The very first game we played Texas,

722
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: we were having issue in the secondary. I had to

723
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: move some guys around and I inserted him into the

724
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: nickel position his very first collegiate game against Texas. He

725
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: went in, showed, showed no fear, played really well, made

726
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: some made some crucial stops for us. Um, we didn't

727
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: come up with a win that day, but it showed me.

728
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: It really showed me a lot about you know, his

729
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: determination and um, you know what type of player that

730
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: he was gonna be, because when I told him that

731
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: he was going in, he just trapped his helmet up.

732
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: He didn't blink, didn't flinch, and he's been that way.

733
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: He's gonna you know, the New York Giants are gonna

734
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: get a consistent player, a guy who's gonna be mentally tough,

735
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: physically tough, and you know, talking about the mental toughness. Um,

736
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: so let's talk about the you know, the Clemson game.

737
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: So he was in the Clemson game. I think it

738
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: was in the second quarter. Um, he takes some friendly

739
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: fire by another defender, he gets hit on the temple,

740
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: he comes to the sideline, he's having vision issues. Um,

741
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: his vision was impaired. He went through concussion protocol. Um.

742
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: You know, so we got him back in the third

743
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: quarter and if we came out, we played phenomenal in

744
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: the second half, but you know, we just couldn't overcome

745
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: the deficit from the first half. But that's just one

746
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: story about Julian. I mean, he's really really tough. Um.

747
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: I think that he has the type of potential where

748
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: he could play ten years in the NFL. Well, that

749
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: certainly would be good news for the Giants, considering you

750
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: don't just draft for two thousand nineteen, you draft for

751
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: years beyond. And you know, you talked about his instincts.

752
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: As we're talking with Notre Dame defensive backs coach, former

753
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: NFL player, Todd Light, what about the classroom coach, what's

754
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: jumped out to you when you've had the opportunity to

755
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: review films, sit down with him preparation during the week.

756
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: What has stood out to you with respect to that

757
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: facet of the game. Well, what I would do with

758
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: Julian I would make him cut up. Um. He played

759
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: boundary corner for us, and I would, you know, talk

760
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: about all the skis and all the past route combination

761
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: that he was gonna see the upcoming opponent. Um. He

762
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: would come in. He was studied to cut up. I

763
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: was sending to the stuff on the iPad. He would

764
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: always watch it. Um. The great thing about Julian is

765
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: that he's a very the learner. Where some players, you know,

766
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: especially at the collegiate level, you'll have to rep something

767
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: maybe a hundred times before they can caster it, or

768
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: maybe even more. Sometimes, Julie was good enough where you

769
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: can just tell him what you wanted and he'd be

770
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: able to execute it. Well, let me ask you this, Todd.

771
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: When he comes to the Giants, Julian is gonna be

772
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: asked to play a lot of pressing man coverage. And

773
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: I know that the players are a little faster and

774
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: certainly a little stronger in the NFL than they are

775
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: in college. Is he going to have to adjust his

776
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: physicality because we know his physicality and Notre Dame was

777
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: very high. That's one of the things that the NFL

778
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: scouts liked about him. Is he gonna be at all

779
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: overmatched as he makes the step up. You know what,

780
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: There'll be times when he'll be at a high disadvantage

781
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: and uh, there will be times where you know, jump

782
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: balls are not gonna be there'll be more like sixty

783
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: four ball sometimes depending on who he's playing. If he's

784
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: going up against the guy who's like six six, you

785
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: know it might be. But he's physical enough at the

786
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: end of the route to still win even if the

787
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver touches the ball first right, And he'll and

788
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: he'll have to adjust some of his techniques and you know,

789
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: he'll have to adapt this game to play really consistent

790
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: in in half production at the highest level. But you know,

791
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: he's the type of player who could do it. And

792
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: I know the New York Giant stafford to do a

793
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: great job of helping him develop those skill sets so

794
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: he could be a contributor for years to come. For

795
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: that program well, coach, Speaking of adjustments, I find it interesting.

796
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes freshman come in in college after high schooling,

797
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily play immediately. But when you look at

798
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Julian Love, I mean he was a contributing factor in

799
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: his freshman You're played multiple games, amount of appearing in

800
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: twelve started eight. And now you look at the Giant

801
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: situation and you know they have Generous Jenkins, who's an

802
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: established veteran. But outside of Generous Jenkins, you could argue

803
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: there's a golden opera tunity for a player like Julian

804
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Loved to come in year one, not just be a

805
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: complimentary player, but start when you brought him in as

806
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: a freshman, What did you see in him that gave

807
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: you and the coaching staff faith to say, hey, you

808
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: know what, we could put him on the field immediately.

809
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: That perhaps serves as a parallel for what the Giants

810
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: may be seeing. It was really interesting. His high school

811
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: film was really phenomenal, but it was it was kind

812
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: of difficult too, because he played in the Division three,

813
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: so he didn't play really against elite talent. But what

814
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: I loved about his film is he played everywhere on

815
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: the football field he played wide, he played slides, he

816
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: played running back, he played wildcat quarterback. Didn't he get

817
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: on defense? He played safety, he played corners. Sometimes he's

818
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: line up at outside linebacker. So you could tell the

819
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: coach had a lot of trust in them. But what

820
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: about was this football intelligence because he played all those positions,

821
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean with a very high at

822
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: a very high level in the skill set was just phenomenal.

823
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean he was scoring touchdown, creating turnovers, clean downing

824
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: the ball. Um, just really really savvy football player. But

825
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: the competition wasn't so great, so it was like, is

826
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: he really that good? And then I got a chance

827
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: to meet him and talk to him, Um, you know

828
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: through the recruiting process, and he always wanted to go

829
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: to Notre Dame and I remember when we offered to

830
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: be committed right away, and um, you know, it's one

831
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: of the best things that ever happened to our program

832
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: because you know, the production that he brought, the leadership

833
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: that he brought, the mental and physical toughness, and the

834
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: character that he brought to our program was outstanding. And

835
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: that's how we we had so much success defensively because

836
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: of Julia love Well. You know what, child, it's funny

837
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: that you mentioned earlier about the combine time he was

838
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: in the mid four fives. But you and I both

839
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: know it's play speed. And maybe someday they'll change the

840
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: combine so that when they run the forties, they'll actually

841
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: run in full equipment and pass because that's a heck

842
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: of a lot more important than the underwear, you know what.

843
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: There's a good argument for that, you know what I mean.

844
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: And so but at the end of the day, the

845
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: New York Giants got a really good book player. You know,

846
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna come in. He's gonna impact. You know, I

847
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: think the unox for be productive on the third down package.

848
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: And then when he when he understands the defense and

849
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: he has a great knowledge of what's going on and

850
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: what they want, he's gonna play. He's gonna play a lot.

851
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: He's also going to make an impact on the special team. Um,

852
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: he can run, he can get off blocks, you can tackle,

853
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he's gonna be a type of

854
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: guy that's going to help put the field you know,

855
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: in terms of best team well, and most rookies they

856
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: come in no matter their position, they've got to be

857
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: able to contribute to special teams, as you well know

858
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: from playing twelve seasons in the NFL. And given that fact, Coach,

859
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, one of the last things that I want

860
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: to bring up here, I think it's interesting. You know

861
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: you alluded to Pat Shermer. Well, you were on the

862
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: Eagles coaching staff in two thousand thirteen and two thousand fourteen.

863
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: You are an assistant DBS coach. Okay, well, let's set

864
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: the stage here for our listeners and viewers. Pat Shermer's

865
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinate and I'll take it a step further, Todd,

866
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: you also had Bill McGovern, who's the linebackers coach on

867
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: that staff. The reason I the reason why, the reason

868
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: why I bring that up. You know, I'm I'm curious

869
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: how much interaction at all have you had with your

870
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: fellow colleagues, knowing that the Giants are interested in Julian

871
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: love And you know, what do you think about what

872
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer and Bill McGovern have brought to the Giants

873
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: over the last few seasons. You know, I think Pat

874
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Shermer is one of the brightest minds in the NFL.

875
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: Coach of governments and out Sandy coach. I think you

876
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: know last year obviously, you know, they didn't get the

877
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: results that they want, but they've had two really solid

878
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: drafts and then I know everybody's you know, more comfortable

879
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: in the system. I know, you know, playing with the

880
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Rams for ten two years, sometimes it takes two to

881
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: three years for everybody to have a great understanding of

882
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: the system in order to be able to execute at

883
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: the highest level to give yourself an opportunity to win championship.

884
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: And I know they're building something degrade in New York,

885
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: and um, I'm really excited about, you know, the Giants future.

886
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was kind of always been a

887
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: closet Giants spare, but you know, Dow, I'm all out,

888
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: and I think that it's gonna be fun football to watch.

889
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, for me, Um, Julian is

890
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: gonna come in and he's gonna do some really great

891
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: things early. But I think that the consistency that he's

892
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: gonna bring to that program, the character that he's gonna

893
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: bring to that program leadership, and also the type of characters.

894
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just an outstanding kid. I was talking

895
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: to another report a little while ago about Julian and

896
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: it was funny because he had worked at Temple and

897
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: he had worked in um you know, academic services for

898
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: the program. And Sulian was the type of kid in

899
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: this year's that Notre Dame. He was never on any list,

900
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: He never missed class, he never missed any study halls.

901
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: He was always on the time to everything. He's gonna

902
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: be a great professional, and uh, it's gonna be it's

903
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: gonna be great to watch him blossom in that New

904
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: York Unity uniform. He is not Tre Dame. Defensive Backs coach.

905
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: Played twelve seasons in the NFL, helped the Rams win

906
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl over the tight Ends, Super Bowl thirty four. Todd,

907
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: like coach, greatly appreciate the time and the inside. Thanks

908
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: so much for waging in here on the program, and

909
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: we look forward to just like you watching Julian Love

910
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: here with the Giants. Todd, thanks for coaching them off

911
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: and we look forward to having him here. Be well,

912
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: take care alright. That is you got it. That is

913
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: Todd Light. Once again, God didn't have to give us

914
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: a few minutes here on Big Blue Kickoff Live and

915
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: amazing small world it is in football. You get the note.

916
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: Youre Dame Defensive Backs coach, who has ties to Pat

917
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: Shermer at Bill mcgovernor and everything else. But you know

918
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: what he emphasized is what we heard from Dave Gentleman.

919
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: The versatility that Julian Love brings to the table, the

920
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: inside play, the outside play. Perhaps they could even toy

921
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: if they want to move him to safety. You know,

922
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: it sort of brings a little bit of everything to

923
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: the table here. Do you notice a pattern once again

924
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: for the second straight year, the guys who have been

925
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: brought into this organization under Dave Gettleman, they all have

926
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: good character, they all have good work habits, they all

927
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: have football smarts, they all are good teammates. This is

928
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: what Dave Gettleman talked about. What he said he was

929
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: going to come in here and he was gonna build

930
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: a good locker room, a winning attitude. He was going

931
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: to make sure that guys hated to lose, and we're

932
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: gonna be all in on the program. It's not a coincidence.

933
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: And I like the fact that they played him immediately

934
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: as a freshman. That's why I asked Todd that question,

935
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: because I do think there's a fair parallel here with

936
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 1: the Giants, And we talked about this at the beginning

937
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: of the show. If you look at the current cornerback

938
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: depth chart, Julian Love, DeAndre Baker, They're gonna have opportunities

939
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: even Balantine when he gets here, to really compete for

940
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, not just that guy that plays special teams

941
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: and may come in to give a start or rest,

942
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: but to be a big part of the rotation. And

943
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: what are we seeing more and more of in the

944
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: National Football League? To me, the teams that don't rely

945
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: on players to play ninetent to the snaps have a

946
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: higher rate of going out and winning consistently. And let's

947
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: go back to the Giants when Steve Spagnola was the

948
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator here. That was that year where Paul Olivia

949
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: Vernon and JPP each played what to the snaps and

950
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Spaggs was asked about this on a weekly basis, and

951
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: he was truthful. He said, when you look at these

952
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: guys practice, you always are going to play the guys

953
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: that give you the best chance to win. And there

954
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: clearly was a drop off after you pull JP p

955
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: and Olivier Vernon off the field. So I'm bringing up

956
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: a defensive line I or we're talking about corner but

957
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: if they see the productivity is not a huge disparity.

958
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna give the coaching to have more of a

959
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: reason to keep a volume of different guys on the field. Well,

960
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: and let's also understand that the more guys who you

961
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: have confidence in putting on the field, the more things

962
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: you can do with them. It's not just about keeping

963
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: them fresh and getting constant productivity. It's also that each

964
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: guy has a little bit of a different skill set,

965
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: which means you can start tweaking some of your plans

966
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: because Okay, well we got this with this guy, and

967
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: we can do this with that guy, and we can

968
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: do this with that guy. You can keep ai offensive

969
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: coordinator off balance. So there's different couple of advantages to

970
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: having a deep defense with a variety of usable parts. UM.

971
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: I would just want to add one thing to what

972
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: we were talking about, uh, with the quality of player

973
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: that that the gentleman has brought in, I think it's

974
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: important to note, okay, that not only are we talking

975
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: about all those different character issues, but we're also talking

976
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: about guys who had extensive collegiate experience. For example, Lawrence

977
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: started a ton of games at Clemson, Daniel Jones three

978
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: years starter at Duke U. We just said. Connolly out

979
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin was also a guy that played a lot,

980
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: played a ton, love, played a ton. We talked about it.

981
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: I mean, again, go back to that whole thing about

982
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: mental toughness and adversity. You learn to deal with those

983
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: things through experience. I will always maintain that the more

984
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: starts that the guy has in college, the better off

985
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be when he it's to the NFL.

986
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: I will always maintain that. And I understand the money

987
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: grab guys got to come out early because either they

988
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: need the finances or they want the finances. But ultimately,

989
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: from my book, the percentage of level of success you're

990
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: going to achieve from a more experienced college player is

991
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: going to be much higher than the guy who only

992
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: started one year. Well, and let's take it a step further, Paul,

993
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: because I think you hit on a very interesting point.

994
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: I think it's holds true for the number sixth overall

995
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: pick for the Giants, Daniel Jones being a three year

996
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: starter versus some of these other quarterbacks, specifically Kyler Murray

997
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: and Dwayne Haskins, who are only one year starters. And

998
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: there are teams and I know you've brought up Bill Parcels,

999
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: who had a set of criteria and start send years

1000
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: of starting experience, was a big part of that conversation.

1001
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: It's no surprise that in addition to everybody else that

1002
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: the Giants drafted, they also emphasized that clearly and why

1003
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: they were high on Daniel Jones because it's much easier

1004
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: to get a better read on a quarter back when

1005
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: he gives you volumes of starts and he's been out

1006
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: there and he's been coached up versus a guy that's

1007
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: played just one year. It's a lot more projection. There's

1008
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: projection involved in everything. Don't mistake in my analysis here,

1009
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: but I think that if you look at even NFL history,

1010
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna throw this stat out once again. I

1011
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: threw it out before the draft prior to this year,

1012
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: because Dwayne Haskins and Kyler Murray were both one year starters,

1013
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: they doubled the amount of players that were selected in

1014
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: the first round at the quarterback position that it only

1015
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: played one year of college football as a starter between

1016
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: two thousand and two thousand eighteen. It was Mark Sanchez

1017
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: and Mitchell Trubisky between those eighteen years, and then you

1018
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: had Kyler Murray and Dayne Haskins this year. So that

1019
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: just goes to show you it's not just the Giants, Paul,

1020
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: it's the NFL landscape as a whole. That feels a

1021
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: lot more confidence in saying I'm gonna take a quarterback

1022
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: that at least gave me two years starting experience versus

1023
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: rolling the dice with a one year starter. No argument

1024
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: for me. Two zero five one three is to tell

1025
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: a phone over. Let's head back to the lines. Mike

1026
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: is in California. Mike, Welcome to the Big Blue Kick

1027
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: Off Live. What do you got for us? Hey, guys, um,

1028
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, great to be on the show. You know,

1029
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting out here in California and it's hard to

1030
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: find people that live and breathe the Giants, and uh

1031
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: so this is a little bit of um. You know,

1032
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: I would say counseling for me after that draft. So

1033
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: so I'm calling because you know, I'll tell you where

1034
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm coming from. You know, you guys have heard me before.

1035
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm a big UI fan and I feel like, uh,

1036
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, maybe five years of his career have been

1037
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: squandered by really poor drafts by Jerry Reese. And I'll

1038
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: tell you I still have nightmares of the pick at

1039
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: Eui Apple over alowed me tunseil. So when we were

1040
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: setting up for this draft, you know, to me, the

1041
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: perfect draft would have been take have Josh Allen Fall

1042
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: get a top three tackle. We talked about that, you know,

1043
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: what the best talent was, and then maybe take a

1044
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: development quarterback later in the draft, somebody who can sit

1045
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: and learn for a little while. And he's got a

1046
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: high ceiling. So I have to admit that, you know,

1047
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: this trap is a little hard for me. But I've

1048
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: had a little time to sit and think, and a

1049
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: couple of things was that, you know, I really appreciate. Um,

1050
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: I forgot the guy's name now, the guy from the

1051
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: from the Senior Bowl. Yeah, so Jim, like, so, you know,

1052
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: I read some stuff. I read stuff like cut Cliff,

1053
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: I read stuff by Naggy Um and uh, you know

1054
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: there that made me feel a lot better about the

1055
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones pick, understanding that we don't want to be

1056
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: picking so high again in the coming years. I really

1057
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: like the toughness, really like the idea that this guy

1058
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: came back in two weeks after broken collar bone. Like,

1059
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, I just hadn't researched him. You know, he's

1060
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: got like, what three runs of sixty plus yards That

1061
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: talks about a lot more kind of physicality, um and

1062
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: toughness than I knew about. So look, he's my quarterback now,

1063
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: so I wish him the best and you know, um,

1064
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: I hope that all these other guys are right about it.

1065
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Right well, I think that time will tell with respect

1066
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: to that. Mean, right now, they had faith him. He's

1067
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: got to get out of the field and he's got

1068
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: to back it up. And that's the only way that

1069
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is gonna be judged at the end of

1070
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: the day. Absolutely. But you know, I'm I'm you know,

1071
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: because I'm an Eli fan. I was looking. I wanted

1072
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: those that top pick to be immediate impact and day

1073
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: I hope the guy sits and get that year. But

1074
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: so but here's the other thing about it that, you know,

1075
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: I was a little bit surprised by the Dexter Lawrence

1076
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: pick two. But I have to admit, you know, I'm

1077
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm a guy like most of my you know, I'm

1078
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: fifty and I've been following the Giants my whole life.

1079
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: But most of the time we ran a four three,

1080
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: So I'm most familiar with that, and after we made

1081
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: that pick, you know, I thought a lot about it.

1082
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: You know. Number one, Um, I was a big Damon

1083
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: Harrison fan. But when we talk about um the team

1084
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: and the moves the Kettleman made, you know, what I

1085
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: saw was a bunch of bad drafts that left us

1086
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: with the team belt through free agency and the kind

1087
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: of cap nightmare, and with Damon Harrison, even though phenomenal

1088
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: run stopper. Part of the reason why I think he

1089
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: wasn't playing as many snaps as Remember, he was having

1090
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: big knee problems right, correct, He had a chronically sore knee.

1091
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: He had to take a lot of practices off. They

1092
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: used to call the maintenance days, and so they were

1093
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: managing him during the week and he was only getting

1094
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: to play sometimes on Sunday without having to practice. And

1095
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: you know what with all the wear and Terry's hat

1096
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: on his body. Remember he had a full career with

1097
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: the Jets before he got to the Giants. You know,

1098
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is there's a law of

1099
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: diminishing returns for a guy of that nature who plays

1100
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: such a physical position. Yeah, and so he, like I said,

1101
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, but when people look at the fact

1102
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: to get him and traded away, you know, you got

1103
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: to look at the whole cap situation. You gotta look

1104
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: at the fact that wear and tear and the reality

1105
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: that he was playing fewer and fewer snaps well, and

1106
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: they were taking him off the field on third down.

1107
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: Mike too. I mean that's a big part of it

1108
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: as well. You want to maximize your roster. You want

1109
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: to try to find a guy that's gonna be on

1110
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: the field for all three downs, right, So tell me,

1111
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong in my thinking here, because so,

1112
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm not I'm not very experienced in

1113
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: the three four defense because I focused on the Giants.

1114
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: But um, when I started thinking about, you know, the

1115
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: defenses that we play against in good three four defenses,

1116
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: I I think back to like Vince wolf work and

1117
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: the years in New England, and so I think, like

1118
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: three four defenses, I understand that, you know, you have

1119
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: to have that guy who is a true dedicated nose tackle,

1120
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: that big, big guy that can consistently take on the

1121
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: double team that can Yeah, that's kind of the way

1122
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: it's developed. But you know, if you remember the Giants

1123
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: who are three four throughout the Lawrence Taylor era. Because

1124
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: Lawrence was so special and he was the stand up

1125
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: edge rusher. In those days, they simply called him an

1126
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, but today that the position has been renamed

1127
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: edge rusher. And Jim Burt and Bill Neil were two

1128
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: of the guys who played nose during that time. They

1129
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: were kind of, I mean, they were short, stout, squatty,

1130
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: fire I drink kind of guys. They weren't necessarily, you know,

1131
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: the big monsters, the Ted Washington's of the world and

1132
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: the Vince rulf Forks of the world that you're now

1133
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: referring to. But but you are right. Nowadays, there seems

1134
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: to be more of a trend to getting the bigger

1135
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: size nose tackle who can simply eat up the double

1136
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: team with his physicality instead of just his effort. Because

1137
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Jim Burke used to do it just through pure effort,

1138
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: uh and and that's you know, effort and technique and smarts.

1139
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: Nowadays it's more let's put the big plugger there in

1140
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: the middle and see if he can just eat up

1141
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: a couple of guys on the interior of that offensive line.

1142
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: Up Here. Here's the thing I suspect I was just

1143
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: talking to a couple of retired Giants earlier this morning

1144
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: about this, and I said, if it's me, and I

1145
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: know John disagree with me yesterday, and he's entitled to.

1146
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: But being that I do come from the porcels Belichick Tree,

1147
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: I could see the Giants going with a lot of

1148
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: five man fronts, especially on really downs, with Carter and

1149
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: x men playing the edge position up on the line

1150
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, with Lawrence in the middle, flanked by Tomlinson

1151
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: and B. J. Hill. And this way you go with

1152
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: that five man front right up on the line of

1153
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: scrimmage and tell people, go ahead, make our day. See

1154
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: if you can run against this. And if you think

1155
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: you want to pass, well, which one of those guys

1156
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: is coming off of the edge to get to your QB.

1157
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: Try it. Let's see how it works. Well, I think

1158
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: that that's likely because if you look at the NFC East,

1159
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got I don't know if if everybody's recognized,

1160
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: like we have three opponents that all have quite good

1161
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: offensive lines and they're all going to be ready to

1162
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: run the ball. And of course we got the bad

1163
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: weather issues. So you know, I agree with you, and

1164
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: that's and That's why I was starting to think about

1165
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: the Detector Dexter Lawrence pick and thinking, hey man, maybe

1166
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: this is what we need to free up, um, some

1167
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: guys who are less dominant to get to the quarterback. Um.

1168
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: So maybe he'll turn out to really be that important

1169
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: on the defense. So I don't know, but you know,

1170
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: but but I'm coming around to it. You know, I'm hopeful, um,

1171
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: that it's going to go that way. But I do

1172
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: have this one question for you. You You know, when I

1173
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: called in, um and I was telling you about what

1174
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: I wanted out of that draft, and the tackle was

1175
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: way up there. Um, you know what what you guys

1176
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: said was that this was really really a deep draft

1177
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: for tackle talent. But it seems like in the conversations

1178
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: i've heard since because we used well, they got rid

1179
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: of their second round pick. Remember, so they didn't have

1180
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: a second round pick because they moved into the first round.

1181
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: We were talking about thirty seven could have been a

1182
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: potential target for an offensive lineman there, and then that

1183
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: pick disappeared because they moved up to get Baker, and

1184
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: then after that they had to wait a long time

1185
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: till they made their next election. So keep in mind

1186
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: a lot of guys went off the board between them. Mike, Well,

1187
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: so that's that's kind of your confirment with that was

1188
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: my question. So what you're saying basically is by the time,

1189
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, by the time we got the Seminez, were

1190
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,959
Speaker 1: they gone. I mean I liked, I like the fact

1191
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: that we got an edge rusher that the second round

1192
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: that you know we're desperate for him, But um, yeah,

1193
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised about that. It sounds me

1194
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: like you're saying that a lot of that value was

1195
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: off the board. To clarify, Dave Gettleman did admit after

1196
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: the draft was over that, as it turned out, he

1197
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: believed that all of the upper echelon or or or

1198
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: guys who could compete for a starting job at offensive

1199
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: tackle were gone by the end of the fourth round. So, now,

1200
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: if you were like me and I agree, I thought

1201
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: there was a need to try to draft one. To remember,

1202
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: Mike Remmers, the former Viking, is still out there and

1203
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: Gettleman has basically said he's on the radar, we expect

1204
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: him to come back here after he continues to rehab

1205
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: his back, and it sounds like they really feel like

1206
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: that could be the fit for that whole. But but

1207
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: gentleman said, after the end of the fourth round, that's

1208
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: where there was a huge drop off in offensive tackles.

1209
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: So the question becomes, if he had jumped at an

1210
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: offensive tackle before the end of the fourth round, which

1211
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: defensive player would you wanted to have given up? Would

1212
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: you wanted him to give up Lawrence or Baker or

1213
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: the x Men or for that matter, Julian Love, who

1214
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: we think was a steal at corner. I'll be honest

1215
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: in retrospect, I think I think I'm good with this

1216
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: because if remors can help plug that hole, they wound

1217
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: up getting four defensive players there in that range who

1218
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: will all be significant contributors, if not starters, and that

1219
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: was just as much of a significant need in addition

1220
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: to the offensive line. And Mike will let you go

1221
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: on that point, Thanks so much for weighing in. So

1222
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta weigh the pros and the cons

1223
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: in terms of, yeah, you may go after an offensive

1224
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: lineman at the same time, you know then gonna have

1225
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: one or two less defensive players at the same point.

1226
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's not where you grab the offensive lineman.

1227
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: In addition to all the defensive players that you brought

1228
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: to the mix. And also keep in mind, you know

1229
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: when you start taking offensive lineman in the fourth round

1230
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: or the fifth round, you know the chance of them

1231
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: wowing you to the degree that they're gonna beat out

1232
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: Chad Wheeler. And it's not even gonna be closed. I

1233
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: think it's a bit of a stretch. Again, in retrospect,

1234
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: Dave said, by the end of the fourth round, it

1235
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: really dropped off. So it is what it is. You know,

1236
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: he got himself a fortified defensive crop of defensive players

1237
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: or yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That was

1238
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: very redundant. But he had to fix this defense. He

1239
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: had to. Well, there's no point even talking about what

1240
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna do in nineteen. They needed help

1241
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball in the worst way.

1242
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: And again if in his back pocket, he's very confident

1243
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: that the Surremmers thing is gonna work out. Mike Remmers

1244
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: is a very competent, functional right tackle well, and they've

1245
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: added veterans right before camp in the past, so it

1246
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be necessarily a stunning development if they go that

1247
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: route to add some competition. You think of Leon Hall,

1248
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: that's a guy that was brought in who wound up

1249
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: playing corner and safety Connor Barwin last year. They could

1250
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: very well turned to free agency considering there are still

1251
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: a number of guys out there. But it's all about

1252
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: maximizing the value in the draft and how many conversations

1253
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: we had on this program where the defense was on

1254
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: the field on the last drive of the game and

1255
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: the opposing team came back and won the game. So

1256
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: so for everybody that wants to focus on right tackle,

1257
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: I get it, and I'm not saying that you don't

1258
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: want to look to add competition, But let's not forget

1259
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: the need to grab pass rushers because of the thirty

1260
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: sacks they add last season. The need to add depth

1261
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: at the secondary level, fine starters at the secondary level,

1262
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: and help at the linebacking corps you know, cannot be

1263
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: dismissed or overlook considering the results from last season. All right,

1264
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: that is gonna wrap things up for us here on

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: Thursday's edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live. A reminder

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