Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. It is a great Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame Saturday here in Oxnard, California. Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame inductions in Canton, Ohio today and it's a
Speaker 1: great big get back to work Saturday too. And one
Speaker 1: of us forgot to get back work. We've got Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Brian brought us and the chair and the chair, Yes,
Speaker 1: got a bottle water headset. This might be the best
Speaker 1: show we do. Guys, I just said it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: say on topic, this might break. We might get a
Speaker 1: Marconi for this one. Shall I share my text exchange?
Speaker 1: I love how you're calling him out. Well we could
Speaker 1: have said that he you know, he's got prior commitments.
Speaker 1: NAT's got. Here is my text exchange with Mickey. I
Speaker 1: said hello, he said yes. I said we're on the air.
Speaker 1: He said, I thought it's misspelled b I thought we
Speaker 1: are going Sunday. I said, nope, Now get your butt
Speaker 1: out here so we'll see the good news is the
Speaker 1: good news is it's you know, he lives on campus.
Speaker 1: He lives on campus. All right, we'll see the thing.
Speaker 1: They'll be funny. Watch how like when he puts on
Speaker 1: the headset help. Yeah, everything, he's just so frazzled. Wait
Speaker 1: and he'll be like he'll be like, he'll be so
Speaker 1: like just he'll run right into this show like I
Speaker 1: thought we were talking about. Okay, okay, this is a
Speaker 1: great teaching point, coaching point for what if if you're
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys him and you've
Speaker 1: got a meeting whoa who You've got a meeting? What
Speaker 1: is happening? Eduld for ten? Yeah, and some player shows
Speaker 1: up at ten? Oh? What is it? Six am? What
Speaker 1: happens to that player? About a noon flight? On lax?
Speaker 1: Back to the FW, I tell you, I think where
Speaker 1: Mickey was. Were you doing your referee seminar? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: shrunking head hockey lea man. I could have sworn we
Speaker 1: said we were doing it Sunday. No, because we're all
Speaker 1: talking so much tomorrow. That's what we took. We're doing
Speaker 1: the scrimmage. Doing the scrimmage. To my mind was we
Speaker 1: were going to do this as the preview to the
Speaker 1: scrimmage team. We're making it the preview, all right now,
Speaker 1: So what time did they go? They're going to morrow.
Speaker 1: You were right there, Derek was there. So John Roper
Speaker 1: just walked into the meeting. Yeah, I didn't find falls late,
Speaker 1: but is still the same. I was working going over
Speaker 1: the new rules, the helmet rule, the new kickoff. He
Speaker 1: was standing from the mirror practicing. I've got a TV
Speaker 1: package to do. Oh yeah, mister TV guy, a sports director,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was Sunday. He looks like your
Speaker 1: Hollywood director over there. Yes, look great role. I'm good good.
Speaker 1: I woke up six thirty ready to roll there. All right, guy,
Speaker 1: I've been to the harbor and back harbor. Yeah did
Speaker 1: you did you? Did Nate wear his bicycling out? Yes,
Speaker 1: he did. Big trying to ride you kind of ride
Speaker 1: away from Nate on the bicycle. Oh it's great. Hey
Speaker 1: he got that right orange shirt with the big Gator
Speaker 1: roles bicycling it's green today. Yeah, you gotta you can
Speaker 1: see him and you're like going, he doesn't look right.
Speaker 1: He loves he loves you, and you know what, everybody's
Speaker 1: really nice to us. Riding with Nate, I bet right,
Speaker 1: And it dawned on me and I'm going cal This
Speaker 1: isn't the safest I ever felt, right, no doubt. Well,
Speaker 1: you caused me to damage the desk, yeah, to see,
Speaker 1: just trying to make fun of me and you guys.
Speaker 1: I was just spilled your water into your vet, your
Speaker 1: your fruit there, and now you busted the desk. This
Speaker 1: is karma for busting on that poor leafblower kid the
Speaker 1: first show. We were ten minutes into the first shows,
Speaker 1: trying to do his job. How is this karma? Right?
Speaker 1: Hich is a fine for a player showing up late
Speaker 1: for a meeting? Well? I need to look that up.
Speaker 1: Is it seventy five hundred bucks? It's in the sounds right, yeah,
Speaker 1: the thousands, Yeah, it's I think it's seventy five hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: I think you did break the desk and there's no excuses. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just write the check, that's right? Will they take
Speaker 1: it out of your check? I wouldn't you get your
Speaker 1: check and you go. I wouldn't have been late. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been late if my teammates would have let
Speaker 1: me know before ten the teammates. Yeah, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: let my teammates sleep in and miss a meeting in
Speaker 1: the morning. Way Phillips say, back in the day, listening
Speaker 1: is a skill. I guess, Derek right there yesterday. Memory
Speaker 1: memory is another. Okay, So a seventy five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: fine for these players who make yeah, big bucks. Seventy
Speaker 1: five cents, So you were fine. Seventy five cents. That's okay.
Speaker 1: That's buy a soda. There you go, all right, And
Speaker 1: it is Hall of Fame Saturday. It is. That's how
Speaker 1: we started Saturday. Did you watch the gold Jackets last
Speaker 1: I did not watch. I knew it was on, but
Speaker 1: I did not watch. I want to see Jerry Kramer,
Speaker 1: that's the one I wanted to I did. Yeah, Sam, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. I like Jerry Kramer and probably the most
Speaker 1: appreciative guy ever. Wait so long, forty six years forty
Speaker 1: six I think six years you had him in with
Speaker 1: the current guys, and it's a pretty loaded class this year.
Speaker 1: Randy Moss and big Time Lewis Ray Lewis guys look
Speaker 1: like they were enjoying getting the jackets and being we
Speaker 1: know where this is going tiptoe right down the street.
Speaker 1: I hope he watched it and sat there and goes, ah,
Speaker 1: that looks like fun I got. I could have walked
Speaker 1: through all those old all the older guys in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and had a hug and a handshake,
Speaker 1: just the way Ray Lewis did. But you know what,
Speaker 1: joy it does it surprise you? No, That's why it
Speaker 1: doesn't really bother me. I mean, I think you should
Speaker 1: be there. But Tio's always done what he wants to do,
Speaker 1: and that he's always done things differently, it doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: me that he's doing something different. Well, he lost out
Speaker 1: on a great chance. It's the right time memory, no question.
Speaker 1: All right. I got a little something. It relates the
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame class to what we see
Speaker 1: out here, where you've got players who come from all
Speaker 1: walks of life, from all size colleges. Just take a
Speaker 1: look at this Hall of Fame class. You got Bobby
Speaker 1: Bethard who went to cal Poly, San Luis Bispo general manager.
Speaker 1: Ride up the road here, Robert Brazil, he went to
Speaker 1: Jackson State, same as Walter Peyton. Okay, Brian Dawkins went
Speaker 1: to Clemson the first Clemson player ever in the Pro
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. Jerry Kramer. Where do you go
Speaker 1: to college? Jerry Kramer went to school? Oh gosh, that's
Speaker 1: a great question. Forrest Greig went to SMU, But I
Speaker 1: don't know his line buddy. Where his line buddy went
Speaker 1: to school? Jerry Kramer, Big Sky, Montana, Idaho. The Ray
Speaker 1: Lewis went to Miami, Miami missed. Randy Moss Uh he
Speaker 1: went to Marshal Marshall, Florida State, Notre Dame, yeah, Tera Owens, Tennessee, Chattanooga, Okay,
Speaker 1: Brian Urlocker with New Mexican Mexica, Yeah, which was playing
Speaker 1: in the Whack probably then back then, Yes, yes, all right.
Speaker 1: So you've got Don Perkins School, You've got Forever from
Speaker 1: Saint Louis abyss Ball State, I mean, and then you
Speaker 1: look at guys out here. We think of okay, some
Speaker 1: people some think of Okay, you got to go to
Speaker 1: a big school to make it in the NFL. But
Speaker 1: look at all the guys that come from jeff smaller schools,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. No, that's the great thing about when
Speaker 1: you build a football team. And and the thing I
Speaker 1: always remember about the greatest one of the greatest wide
Speaker 1: receivers to ever play this game with the school at
Speaker 1: Mississippi Valley. One of the greatest running backs to ever
Speaker 1: play this game went to Jackson State. You know, there's
Speaker 1: guys that you're right, uh, you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: like guys like Gene Upshaw and people like that. You know,
Speaker 1: Offensive Lineman, you know Texas A and M. You know
Speaker 1: Texas A and M. Kingsville now and you know Texas
Speaker 1: and you know, so there's a lot of different a
Speaker 1: lot of different backgrounds where guys come from. And that's
Speaker 1: and that's why a guy like Bobby Bethard is in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, a guy like last year Ron Wolf,
Speaker 1: Bill Polian, you know, Bill Polian is famous for going
Speaker 1: and finding those small school guys. Andre Reid was from Kuntztown.
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, if you're if you're really good
Speaker 1: at your job, if you're really good at evaluation, you
Speaker 1: find these guys. You will find out where you know,
Speaker 1: And and Jason Garrett said something I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was it was two days ago. He said something
Speaker 1: about about the size of your team. And yeah, you
Speaker 1: know he says, he says, I pay attention to the
Speaker 1: smaller guys, because the smaller guys are the ones. How
Speaker 1: did they get here? You know, big guys play football.
Speaker 1: You understand why big guys play football, But it's the
Speaker 1: smaller guys. You know, what's their skill, what's their talent?
Speaker 1: Why are they on the team. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: reason why smaller guys can play. Because but I just
Speaker 1: I kind of am tying it into small school maybe
Speaker 1: a small guy. You know, we've we've Hey, scouts are
Speaker 1: not perfect by any means. You go through and you
Speaker 1: miss guys, and I'm sure there's a gonna be plenty
Speaker 1: more guys that go to those smaller schools that end
Speaker 1: up in the Hall of Start. Like finding Cliff Harris
Speaker 1: had watch a top bat exactly. Yes, that might be
Speaker 1: the biggest unearthing ever. Yeah, and Jeff Heath is a
Speaker 1: good player that they found. You mentioned him a minute ago,
Speaker 1: Saganaw Valley State. I think Jason Garrett he has done
Speaker 1: this time every camp. I think he mentions him as
Speaker 1: an example the success story, a guy that came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, rookie free agent, earned his opportunity starting on
Speaker 1: special teams in a Hall of Fame game, just kind
Speaker 1: of speeding down the field. Who the hell is this guy?
Speaker 1: And look where he is now he's a starter on
Speaker 1: this defense about Hall of Famer Rayfield, right, Larry and
Speaker 1: Larry Allen, Yeah, Sonoma Sonoma stated value Field right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the end, that's the that's the beauty of scouting.
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of guys of like Gil Brandt and
Speaker 1: pe Tall Jones. Yeah, you can find those guys, leon
Speaker 1: Let Yeah, how about that. Yeah, there's places. Oh, try
Speaker 1: to trick me. Oh, you're sharpen up said six. I
Speaker 1: try to trick you because I really think you rolled
Speaker 1: out of bed. That's why you got your sudglasses on.
Speaker 1: I have and I still got the crust in his eyes.
Speaker 1: I have proof. Okay, out with Hanson again. Last night
Speaker 1: I just called, just called Nate Rudder Room. Anson's not here,
Speaker 1: but the Rudder Room is open at seven in the morning. Now,
Speaker 1: by the way, it should be make sure you bring cash.
Speaker 1: He knows he left it seven. Yeah, it's like Pat O'Brien's.
Speaker 1: They kicked him out in the street and host it
Speaker 1: out and missus, missus, mister Spagnola, did you please get
Speaker 1: out in the street. We're gonna we're gonna host it
Speaker 1: out there. There were still a line at missus Olsen's
Speaker 1: for breakfast this morning. Missus Olsen's is good. Nice? Anything
Speaker 1: else you need to know about what I did? How
Speaker 1: many years? I mean? You want to see my picture
Speaker 1: from the Oxnard Harbor. I could have been taken yesterday,
Speaker 1: not with Nate Newton. Yeah, okay, we need Nate to
Speaker 1: corroborate this. Yes, we do it. We'll have him on.
Speaker 1: He's on the defensive this morning. Oh yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: he's he's like my buddies in Louisiana that crawfish going
Speaker 1: backwards to guarantee you. I was up before any of
Speaker 1: you even thought about it. Whoa wait a minute now,
Speaker 1: I think I was up in five fifty. Why could
Speaker 1: do Nate call you? No? Bill Jones and I have
Speaker 1: to work out in the morning. Guys, they called me
Speaker 1: at six fifteen. Well, hey, speaking to Nate. I know
Speaker 1: we're kind of digressing here. Did you guys get the
Speaker 1: text from Nate at five thirty? Watching film today? I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What is your problem? You know?
Speaker 1: So here's here's the conversation we had last night. He goes,
Speaker 1: let's let's remember Nate's conversation, let's go do the bike ride.
Speaker 1: I go, okay, He goes, what time you want to go?
Speaker 1: And I go, I don't know, like eight o'clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he goes and he says okay. And then at
Speaker 1: six fifteen, my phone's ring. Yeah it's I thought we
Speaker 1: said eight o'clock. He goes, No, I an't gonna wait
Speaker 1: till then. Yeah, he's already up at the front lobby
Speaker 1: waiting time, dressed, ready to go. Kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of my text message. I thought we said Sunday. No,
Speaker 1: it's Saturday. Well, I said eight o'clock. All right, I've
Speaker 1: got another little and before we get to a break
Speaker 1: here and by the way, give us a call nine
Speaker 1: seven two four nine seven forty four hundred to join
Speaker 1: this special Saturday edition of Talking Cowboys. All right, Bob Lilly,
Speaker 1: first Cowboy Hall of Famer number seventy four. Right, Why
Speaker 1: now does this team have not one but two? Number
Speaker 1: seventy four is out here on this practice field. Because
Speaker 1: you have to have enough numbers too. You don't have
Speaker 1: to give him seventy four. Then they're not gonna make either.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna make the team. No one has to change.
Speaker 1: No one has informed Dorrance Armstrong yet that he better
Speaker 1: love that he cannot keep number seventy four if he
Speaker 1: makes this team. And is did you inform him that
Speaker 1: I informed him that on Thursday, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on the limb here and say that
Speaker 1: he's gonna in pouring number seventy six tony and he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna make the team. Humh, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on that on them. That's just a
Speaker 1: gut that is a total gut shot right there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna wear seventy four. I mean, they just
Speaker 1: don't do that. The Corn Curvin the offensive and they
Speaker 1: just signed out of Alabama. They give him no white
Speaker 1: number seventy four. But you know, it is kind of
Speaker 1: a tribute to Bob Lily because we will talk about
Speaker 1: it on the preseason broadcast. We'll bring up Bob Lily's name.
Speaker 1: So in that respect, I like the fact that they
Speaker 1: give seventy four out. Yeah, you know, I've just kind
Speaker 1: of with numbers. I've kind of you know, it's there's
Speaker 1: certain players that look good in numbers, and then it's
Speaker 1: like to say, I'm with you on the the the
Speaker 1: issuing numbers, because I don't see two. You don't see
Speaker 1: a twelve. There's certain numbers you don't see. Seventy four
Speaker 1: is at the top of the list. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: see eighty eight. Yeah, last year if there's not an
Speaker 1: eighty eight, like there's not one right now. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Bill. I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a tribute if you give
Speaker 1: it to a guy who's gonna get cut, you know.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that Dorn's Armstrong got it is
Speaker 1: I think is as a credit to him. I was
Speaker 1: surprised they gave it to a draft pick. But I
Speaker 1: have a feeling again this is this is just a
Speaker 1: gut It's a gut feeling. It's it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: come down to h Well, let's see, Okay, okay, could
Speaker 1: give him ninety three Richard Ashe. That could be another
Speaker 1: one that they say, you know, maybe Richard Ashe doesn't
Speaker 1: make this team. I'm here, I'm cutting guys you're worried about.
Speaker 1: I might worry about Eli. Yeah, I am a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think he practiced better the other day when we
Speaker 1: had a chance to watch him. But I'm worried about
Speaker 1: once this once it really starts to be a rotation,
Speaker 1: once it starts to be once we do get Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory out there. I think Dorn's Armstrong has been doing
Speaker 1: pretty good. Once we get Crawford and you know, Crawford's
Speaker 1: going and then and then Randy Gregory and then Armstrong
Speaker 1: and those guys, I think that I think Cony Eally
Speaker 1: is just gonna be one of those guys that they
Speaker 1: kind of say, you know, it's not okay, thank you
Speaker 1: very much for coming, and we're kind of set here
Speaker 1: defensive end. It's got Randy Gregory on the team, you know,
Speaker 1: I think got grand Gregory on this had to it.
Speaker 1: I thought so too. No, No, you're right, you're right
Speaker 1: about that. And the thing about it was that to
Speaker 1: meet the way their attitude about him now is the
Speaker 1: fact that they're not playing him tells me that he's
Speaker 1: going to make their tame plan in September nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was hopeful that. I was hopeful for Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: to be able to when it when it got to
Speaker 1: the final cut, and he would have and maybe he
Speaker 1: still will you know, two three sacks in a preseason,
Speaker 1: you know, and then going into the Carolina game, Hey,
Speaker 1: he's part of the rotation. We're happy to have, you know.
Speaker 1: And now it's going to be if they if he
Speaker 1: doesn't get that opportunity, if he misses a bunch of
Speaker 1: practice time, and then all of a sudden it becomes Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're really happy about having Randy Greggy,
Speaker 1: but what do you know about Randy Gregory. I wanted
Speaker 1: to see about Randy Gregory. I want, I think to
Speaker 1: a certain degree there they are doing and I like
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. Excuse me real quick before everybody starts going
Speaker 1: at me on Twitter about that. I am for Randy Gregor.
Speaker 1: I am not against him. I am not. I just
Speaker 1: want to see him. I want to see him work
Speaker 1: with the with the with and try and try and
Speaker 1: win that job where you're hoping to see him the preseason, yes,
Speaker 1: and then it solidifies your thought of like it was
Speaker 1: worth the journey to get here. That's what I wanted.
Speaker 1: I think. I still think we will see him in preseason.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett basically said, yeah, you will see him in
Speaker 1: the preseason. I hope. I think I do think they're
Speaker 1: doing what they think is in the best interest of
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory right now for a guy who's missed two
Speaker 1: years of football, and that's that's slow play at working back.
Speaker 1: In that being said, I do think they have they
Speaker 1: see him on the roster. I don't think you wait
Speaker 1: eighteen months and go through this process and back in guys,
Speaker 1: don't think he's got enough talent to make the football
Speaker 1: team because I don't know, like you're to your point,
Speaker 1: I just don't know if a month is enough evaluation
Speaker 1: time anyway for the guy. I think you may have
Speaker 1: to just say on paper, we know how talented he is.
Speaker 1: Let's give him, you know, we into the season to
Speaker 1: keep working and get ready. I want I wanted to see.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see coney eally and I wanted to
Speaker 1: see I want to see all those guys compete for
Speaker 1: the spot. That's what I wanted to see. I wanted, Okay,
Speaker 1: give me, give me at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: give me my best four defensive ends. You know, give
Speaker 1: me my best give me. I want to see who
Speaker 1: the best ones out of this group is. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're right. When we come back here on talking Cowboys,
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Speaker 1: back over our shoulders onto the practice field where the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: we'll be going through a walkthrough in a matter of
Speaker 1: moments here times the walkthrough walkthrough would be five minutes
Speaker 1: from now ten forty five. Yeah, they start walking out
Speaker 1: here in about five or ten minutes and then practice
Speaker 1: this afternoon at four o'clock specific time. And tomorrow it's
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Speaker 1: of course, as always, when you come out here. It
Speaker 1: is free admission to watch practice, and so we're all
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. We're gonna be all a part
Speaker 1: of the broadcast. Sure, Robin Lindsay are going to be
Speaker 1: working the sidelines. You're looking forward to that sideline view.
Speaker 1: I always like working with Lenz and yeah, she has
Speaker 1: some special guests on the sideline as well. Should be good.
Speaker 1: She has a good job of getting those guests. She's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two hour broadcasts, so we basically start we go stem
Speaker 1: to Stern on this thing where we go when they
Speaker 1: come on the field until the after the scrimmage is over.
Speaker 1: And so it should be fun tomorrow. Top four defensive
Speaker 1: ends that you have seen in camp so far. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of incompletes. There are a lot of incomplete.
Speaker 1: There's more incomplete than top four. Well, I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with the first three because I think it's
Speaker 1: the two starters. Would be with with with Lawrence and
Speaker 1: then with what I've seen with Crawford, and then I
Speaker 1: think the third one is Dorance Armstrong because I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure what's going on with tacco on the shoulder.
Speaker 1: I think that's limited him to what he could do.
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper started off pretty good. Now he's missed some
Speaker 1: time illness, stillness with him. I'd put Taco after Dorn's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that I think that's kind of where
Speaker 1: it is. So that would be my four. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you you're already stated your opinion on number seventy six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's necessarily Yeah, I don't think out
Speaker 1: of out of those guys, I think that he's behind
Speaker 1: that group. It's a shame. It's a shame that again, Tapper,
Speaker 1: I wanted to see that from him. Well you don't
Speaker 1: think he's in your top four, Well enough of him.
Speaker 1: He's been off too. He got off to a good
Speaker 1: start the first week, I think, and then what he
Speaker 1: got sick two days right, right, Well, now I'm not
Speaker 1: you put it, you put it, You put him over
Speaker 1: a taco, then that's that's so they've they've been in
Speaker 1: pads either over taco or I'm strong or strongs had
Speaker 1: like one or two good days. They've been five, but
Speaker 1: they've been late. They've been in pans five days and
Speaker 1: Tapper missed two of them. Right, So he's been in
Speaker 1: for sixty percent of the practices and Armstrong getting to
Speaker 1: show up until these last two days. I think Armstrong
Speaker 1: is a little bit better than you think. But that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's I mean, I know you're watching practice too.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try and influence you there, but
Speaker 1: I think that to me, if you watch the guys
Speaker 1: that have been more disruptive, I think he's been disruptive.
Speaker 1: I watched. I tend to watch that blue period and
Speaker 1: then and then I know that he gets a lot
Speaker 1: of work with the ones and the twos from both sides.
Speaker 1: He's the one young guy that they actually move around.
Speaker 1: That's what I like about it is there, So that
Speaker 1: tells me he moved around just recently because the guys
Speaker 1: were all missing, they had no one behind him. Well,
Speaker 1: he played Marcus Lawrence doesn't line up and Taco doesn't
Speaker 1: line up, somebody's got to go over there. Well, I
Speaker 1: think I think, No, I didn't think. I didn't see
Speaker 1: him playing as a left end. He immediately put him
Speaker 1: as they put him in a left end. I think
Speaker 1: they're putting the left in just try and see what
Speaker 1: all he can do. That's where I think this is.
Speaker 1: I don't I understand what you're saying about the depth
Speaker 1: problems they have there right now. But I think it's
Speaker 1: about a little bit about playing. See what's interesting that
Speaker 1: we're talking about depth issues at defensive end, and probably
Speaker 1: four days ago we're talking about how deep they were
Speaker 1: at defensive but issues now because because fact I don't
Speaker 1: have guys practice, right, That's what I mean, And that's
Speaker 1: why they brought in Joe by Saint Flour out of
Speaker 1: Northwest Oklahoma state. Yes it is, there's another big school
Speaker 1: Northwest Oklahoma. Uh Patrick Crayton. Was he from Northwest Oklahoma?
Speaker 1: I think no? I think he was Northwest. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Let's go to Brandon in Illinois first up here on
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Hello Brandon, Hello guys, how are you doing great? Great?
Speaker 1: My question is which are the three positions? Would you
Speaker 1: rather have a good tight end, a good detacle, or
Speaker 1: a good safety? Let to play your asters? Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Brandon has added tight end to our question on defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: If you listen to the if you listen to the
Speaker 1: break yesterday they went into tight ends pretty extensively about that,
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that's why some people are getting influenced
Speaker 1: by all that. Who do you got what do you
Speaker 1: take defensive tackle? I'm tackle same if we're talking like
Speaker 1: we were talking yesterday, absolutely and brought us brought up
Speaker 1: Michael Brockers. Yeah, we're talking Brockers. I might want Brockers
Speaker 1: on my team. Sure, I just I tried to throw
Speaker 1: a name out there like that, you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: the Rams wouldn't do that. But if you're gonna go
Speaker 1: for a big fish, go for a big fish. And
Speaker 1: and so there's probably some other teams. I might be
Speaker 1: missing somebody at the Dolphins or this not that defensive
Speaker 1: line that Wade Phillip about that secondary Wade Phillips asked
Speaker 1: the Rams. Yeah, well he's I tell you what of
Speaker 1: a coach? Yeah he is, No, he is. He's got
Speaker 1: a goody, got a good idea of how he wants
Speaker 1: to play his personnel. It's a man. And even they're
Speaker 1: kind of taking Aaron Donald and saying they're paying all
Speaker 1: these guys and not paying Aaron Donald, that'd be that's
Speaker 1: just so risky to me as far as what you know,
Speaker 1: what they And maybe this is gonna sound strange, but
Speaker 1: maybe Aaron Donald doesn't really fit into what Wade Phillips
Speaker 1: wants to do. Does that does that sound strange? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know, I know he's one of the best players
Speaker 1: in football. But you know, it's kind of like it
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of when Bill Parcels came
Speaker 1: in and we had Leroy Glover, you know, and and
Speaker 1: it took I mean they had to play Lroy Glover.
Speaker 1: Bill played him, it knows when. Yeah, and there were
Speaker 1: several guys that that Bill did not like, and that
Speaker 1: when we switched to the three four, he didn't like
Speaker 1: that win. He didn't like Cokeley, and he didn't like
Speaker 1: Leroy Glover and all three of those guys kind of
Speaker 1: turn Yeah, it kind of turned. It turned around the
Speaker 1: vision of what he saw for the position. And I
Speaker 1: wonder if the reason why they're not extending Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: is maybe a scheme fit and that sounds terrible for
Speaker 1: a guy. Yeah, yeah, but I think anymore. But how
Speaker 1: many times? How many times the team is in Nickel six? Yes,
Speaker 1: sixty six? I see that. But okay, why do you
Speaker 1: extend a wide receiver that has been in three different
Speaker 1: clubs and is not you know, I mean they you know, Cooks,
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. Why does Brandy Cooks get paid you know,
Speaker 1: seventy million dollars and you're not paying a guy that's
Speaker 1: one of your best players. It's because Aaron Donald ons
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty million dollars. Eric Donald might be
Speaker 1: worth one hundred forty millions. Yes, I thought it was
Speaker 1: like forty eight. No, No, you're talking guaranteed or yeah,
Speaker 1: he did full amount. I'm saying they've extended guys. They
Speaker 1: gave the running back and I think the running backs
Speaker 1: a really good player too. But to me, Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: is one of your best players years and and and
Speaker 1: now you're like, you're kind of playing with him. I
Speaker 1: mean playing with his his know, his thoughts and stuff. No,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the equivalent, well, the defensive equivalent of
Speaker 1: Zach Martin. I mean, you're obviously you are. You're signing
Speaker 1: Zach Martin long term. Obviously you're signing it. You know
Speaker 1: when you when you open the show and you start
Speaker 1: talking about Hall of Fame I thought you were gonna
Speaker 1: go for the Hall of Fame players. Is he the
Speaker 1: only Hall of Fame players team for this team? I
Speaker 1: thought that's what direction you were going on, that Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame questions, that Zach hall of Fame players on
Speaker 1: this team. Uh, yeah, he's got to get the longevity
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick if he keeps collecting all pros as a center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this team wins the super Bowl one day. I mean
Speaker 1: tingle Hoff took how long or because he Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just watched Jerry Kramers years. Yeah, talk about interior guys.
Speaker 1: But but but the Hall of Fame players likely going
Speaker 1: to come from this offensive line. Yeah yeah at this point. Yeah, right, Laura,
Speaker 1: you don't see a thing with Lawrence. Maybe Lawrence one year,
Speaker 1: he's had one year, he has four or five years
Speaker 1: like he just had. Then he's all a shot about
Speaker 1: the marks were what about Zeke? Has a good Zeke? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna forget about him. I'm just I'm not
Speaker 1: forgetting about anybody. I'm just throwing it out to Zeke's
Speaker 1: if he if he's able to sustain it. What kind
Speaker 1: of crew do you think Zeke has here? Longivity wise,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. He's got what max three years left,
Speaker 1: He's got seven years on the current deal, well, the
Speaker 1: current deal, the current deal, he's got three years, three
Speaker 1: years left, and then he could get franchise, right, get franchise,
Speaker 1: or he could get a next year to mark get
Speaker 1: franchised again. Yeah, you get him for seven years, So
Speaker 1: that's seven years total. Or maybe he's looking at that
Speaker 1: about the shelf life of a running back, but he'd
Speaker 1: only beat twenty eight. Yep. Well, usually Arian Barber retired
Speaker 1: at twenty studies say twenty eight. Is the Marco just
Speaker 1: retired at twenty nine, thirty thirty seven years? Thirty wasn't thirty? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was thirty for de Marco. Yeah, but the special
Speaker 1: ones go beyond twenty eight. They do the Hall of
Speaker 1: famerscope beyond twenty eight. Yeah, we'll see, we will see. Yes,
Speaker 1: get your crystal ball out. All right, Let's go to
Speaker 1: Randy and Kansas. Next up, I'm talking Cowboys. Hello Randy,
Speaker 1: Hey guys, and here's a two parts. I've seen that
Speaker 1: Michael tub has been really good in training camp. Do
Speaker 1: you see him being like a number one over Alan Hearns?
Speaker 1: And do you think that Prescott is progressing from last year?
Speaker 1: From what you see? Has he gotten better? Okay, thanks Randy.
Speaker 1: I think on Gallup he's been really good at times, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then other times he hasn't been so good. And
Speaker 1: that's a that's a rookie basically for you. Um, I
Speaker 1: think long term he's got a potential to be a
Speaker 1: good starter in this league. But I don't know, He's
Speaker 1: got to be consistent as a rookie and that's that
Speaker 1: might be a challenge for him. I think I think
Speaker 1: this year, I think you need somebody like Alan Hearns
Speaker 1: and stuff. Is he talking this year or eventually? I
Speaker 1: think he's talking eventually. I think eventually, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think this time next year,
Speaker 1: if we're all god willing, we're here doing this, that
Speaker 1: that we'll be talking about him as a guy that's
Speaker 1: going to be battling for that number one spot or
Speaker 1: to remind you of in the league, who's a number
Speaker 1: one receiver people were talking about. There were all kinds
Speaker 1: of names that people were throwing at me through Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas name, Michael Thomas name from the Saints. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's that that kind of a physical guy
Speaker 1: with that, even though he's got the size. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I kind of feel like that with Thomas, you
Speaker 1: got more maybe a when he came in the league,
Speaker 1: he was a lot more of a physical guy. I
Speaker 1: think this guy's a I think this guy's a just
Speaker 1: as good a route runner as Thomas, But that that
Speaker 1: makes that makes somewhat sense. Do you think he's best
Speaker 1: as an ex er or y. I would like to
Speaker 1: see him because as well as he played, he can
Speaker 1: release off the line and so you could play him
Speaker 1: at the X. He's got that ability to get to
Speaker 1: get some separation off the line. I bet if what's
Speaker 1: intriguing to him about him to me is how when
Speaker 1: you do put him on the move. You know, he
Speaker 1: caught a ball the other day coming across the field,
Speaker 1: you know, on a on a drag that I mean
Speaker 1: you're thinking like, okay, put him in motion, let him
Speaker 1: run and then let him go up and work while
Speaker 1: he's on the move. Well that that looks like a
Speaker 1: pretty good combination for you right there as well. So
Speaker 1: by the way, at the combine he was six foot
Speaker 1: and three quarters inch tall, two h five with a
Speaker 1: four or five one on one sixty ten yards split
Speaker 1: right and see that thirty six vertical tim two broad jump.
Speaker 1: He's interesting because he's not he's not a Tavon Austin Burner,
Speaker 1: but he's explosive and he's fluid in his routes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's and he's got he's kind of got all
Speaker 1: the tools. He's got Mickey's talked about his big hands.
Speaker 1: He's got a white catch radius. I mean, he really
Speaker 1: can do anything. He Drew Pearson. What you he's quicker
Speaker 1: than Drew Pearson. I think Michael Irvin he is not
Speaker 1: his physical is yes, yeah, right, But I think Michael Erbi,
Speaker 1: Michael Ivan was just so posing out there. I don't
Speaker 1: know the thing. Not until nineteen ninety one though Michael
Speaker 1: got Maybe Michael. The videos of Michael coming in when
Speaker 1: he first came here was at eighty eight right eight
Speaker 1: cut out. He looked at Yeah. In Miami, he was
Speaker 1: kind of a slender guy, and he got bigger and developed.
Speaker 1: You know. But when I think a big I think
Speaker 1: a Michael, and I think a physical receiver, right, But
Speaker 1: not at the beginning he became that in Miami. In
Speaker 1: Miami he was a go get that ball receivers what
Speaker 1: he was good route runner. Yeah. I wasn't dark hands, Yes,
Speaker 1: I wasn't here for all of it. Yet what about
Speaker 1: Antonio Bryant when he was here? Does your mind you
Speaker 1: at all of him? A little? He was crazy. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about on the field. On the field as an
Speaker 1: explosive case two D two. Here's here's my description of
Speaker 1: Antonio O'Brian. I don't think Antonio Bryant knew where he
Speaker 1: was running. And he ran like you were seen a
Speaker 1: doberman run a dog when its front legs are over
Speaker 1: here and the back legs are over here. He was
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of a runner. He was explosive
Speaker 1: in and out of his bright what his what that
Speaker 1: one sixth one tells you? And then a four to
Speaker 1: five one to finish. Then he starts a little slow
Speaker 1: and now when we kick it, we go and that's
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where he is. So give
Speaker 1: me the guy. I mean, I like how he separates.
Speaker 1: But to your point about Bryant, Bryant was one of
Speaker 1: those guys that could. He was like he hit the
Speaker 1: ground real quick and then when he when he went
Speaker 1: across or ran or hit it, he was did it.
Speaker 1: He was Antonio'briyant. Like does Bryant quicker, quicker, much, quicker,
Speaker 1: much quicker running routes, And I think his routes are better.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about hands, ab had some, you know,
Speaker 1: he had some ability to snatch the ball. There were
Speaker 1: times when he'd be running and you think he's not
Speaker 1: putting his hands up and then you know he would
Speaker 1: just do that. Him and Des are similar in that way.
Speaker 1: I think Des never was. Despard was a big guy
Speaker 1: that really never looks smooth running rounds where this guy
Speaker 1: he gallop, he looks smooth running because I've seen him
Speaker 1: run some outs and stuff like he'll try and shake
Speaker 1: a guy inside. He'll take a guy in and that
Speaker 1: guy will adjust and then you see him burst to
Speaker 1: the outside and their separation there. You saw it at
Speaker 1: Colorado State too, his ability to get down the field
Speaker 1: and separate. We're gonna hit on someone who gallop, reminds himself,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do We just need to think a little bit.
Speaker 1: People were telling me that. People asked me about what
Speaker 1: about Roddy White that was in Atlanta him, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking not really. So it's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: kind of gauge, I know, Michael Thomas Thompson. Someone mentioned
Speaker 1: Pierre Garson at San Franci Cisco, a bigger guy that's
Speaker 1: a good route runner. But I think he's faster than
Speaker 1: He's faster than Garson, but he's got toughness. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen him go inside at the at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: he's catching the ball in traffic and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: He's got a ton of a buildings. He does. He
Speaker 1: about Larry Fitzgerald. Faster than Larry Fitzgerald. Maybe not the
Speaker 1: precise of the route. It's not as big of a
Speaker 1: body as Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald, you look at his lower body,
Speaker 1: looks like a dark guard. Go back and look at
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald when I think Fitzgerald was a four seven oh
Speaker 1: guy coming in. Yeah, yeah, I think he his time
Speaker 1: at his time at if I'm not mistaken, his time
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh was not great. But the but the but Arizona,
Speaker 1: Arizona made a commitment. Oh no, no, that's I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Though he did not work out at the combine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing the different. Larry Fitzgerald's a bigger player. He's sticker, Well,
Speaker 1: he's bigger. I mean at the combine he's Okay, gallup
Speaker 1: is six list cowbody is two h five. Fitzgerald was
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty five pounds. Yeah at sixty three,
Speaker 1: two twenty all on his lower body. Yeah, allows as
Speaker 1: a junior coming out Okay, right, yeah, so I mean
Speaker 1: he's a bigger k Yeah, I take that back. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the home preseason opener against Cincinnati is two weeks from today,
Speaker 1: right about that? All right? As we continue here, how's
Speaker 1: Albert Brier doing? You're just talking with Albert. Yeah, Albert,
Speaker 1: he's stressed very well. Looks like he's a hit the
Speaker 1: vineyard vines at rack. It's got all kinds. He's got
Speaker 1: a great shirt and some like melancolored pants. He looks good,
Speaker 1: looks like he stepped right out of the catalog making
Speaker 1: his training camp tour. You know what, I like to
Speaker 1: ask guys who have been to all these camps. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's bounced around, and I just always like to know
Speaker 1: who looks I'd love to do that one time. I'd
Speaker 1: love to go to all thirty two camps just kind
Speaker 1: of spend a day looking at players. Just does he
Speaker 1: do that? Or that's what he does? At two he
Speaker 1: basically does trying to hit him all. Yeah. Wow, it's
Speaker 1: a good way to a good way to kind of
Speaker 1: get an idea who's playing where? So cool, but it'd
Speaker 1: be tough to get much in a one day trip.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that just driving over this morning
Speaker 1: from the hotel. How much I enjoy being here for
Speaker 1: an extended time, because especially you get to this point
Speaker 1: of camp and a lot of the other TV guys
Speaker 1: have gone on and whatever, and and I really appreciate
Speaker 1: what y'all are able to do being here for the
Speaker 1: entire camp. There's so much knowledge to glean every day
Speaker 1: out here, and now you can focus in on different
Speaker 1: position groups and really we do a one day hit like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just don't know anything about the team. You're just
Speaker 1: going in for the story. That's good. You can't. You
Speaker 1: don't have time to analyze. Well, what you what you
Speaker 1: would hope to do, is you if you had if
Speaker 1: you had Scout buddies, you could you could saddle up
Speaker 1: to it lunch and say, who do you got? Maybe
Speaker 1: someone says, hey, you need to watch this young guy.
Speaker 1: You need to watch this guy. But yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's been on your access yea. Honestly, who you're talking exactly? Exactly?
Speaker 1: All right, We've got Will in Chicago next up on
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys. Hello Will, Hey, Bill House. They have a
Speaker 1: good one doing. I supposed to ask that, but I
Speaker 1: have a comment in reference to the linebacker position. I
Speaker 1: know the last year and previous years, we've always given
Speaker 1: Sean Lee a rest during the preseason and also OTAs.
Speaker 1: But this year, the fact that we have increased talent
Speaker 1: with Jali Smith and that the first round draft pick
Speaker 1: from this past year, I think it's thank you. I
Speaker 1: think one of the buy products of arresting Sean Lee
Speaker 1: during the preseason is gaining confidence with the remaining linebackers
Speaker 1: in the event that we do have to play without
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee at some point in time, given the fact
Speaker 1: that Shaun is still is probably one of the few
Speaker 1: players about thirty years old, at some point we're going
Speaker 1: to have to replace them. Do we see either of
Speaker 1: those two players, along with Damian Wilson sometimes in the
Speaker 1: near future, maybe replacing Shan Lee. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair question, but I don't think
Speaker 1: we know. Yeah. The thing that the thing that I
Speaker 1: look at with Vandersch, I don't see Vandersch playing the Will,
Speaker 1: and I don't see Jalen Smith playing the Will. I
Speaker 1: think if they're gonna go out and get a guy
Speaker 1: that that, you know, a guy that go out and
Speaker 1: be the perfect fit for a will would be, for example,
Speaker 1: the kid that the Bears drafted from Georgia, you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go out and get one of
Speaker 1: those types of guys. Okay, so I goes down, who
Speaker 1: plays the Will? I think I think they would probably
Speaker 1: put They would probably put March Lillard over there to
Speaker 1: play the will, primarily Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: could play if he had to, but I think they
Speaker 1: would might go with a guy with a little bit
Speaker 1: more speech. Now, Yeah, that's no, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: March Lillards, Thomas Thomas, Joe Thomas has been playing as
Speaker 1: the nickel, but he's been playing like the nickel Mike
Speaker 1: when he gets on the field and they play march
Speaker 1: Lillard at the will is what they do in bas
Speaker 1: and and well when they do yeah and in basse
Speaker 1: in base Joe Joe Thomas could play all three spots.
Speaker 1: He could play all three spots. But I think that
Speaker 1: they would. I think that they would play. I think
Speaker 1: they would between again march Lillard. I think he would
Speaker 1: play before marsh Lillard. Yeah. What do you think though,
Speaker 1: prevents Vanderesh or Jalen from playing that spot consistently. I
Speaker 1: think it's I think with with to me, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a run hit position. That is a you got
Speaker 1: to me. You look at you look at where you
Speaker 1: have Jalen Smith right now. I mean, I think Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith is getting better instincts wise, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if he has that right now, the currently, the ability
Speaker 1: to play the position from the backside and then run it.
Speaker 1: I don't I think that. I think it's more I
Speaker 1: think they need him to be more at the point
Speaker 1: of attack and fight that and get that way. Then
Speaker 1: they need him running on these plays. You know, now, Vanderesh,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him play. He's talked about learning all
Speaker 1: three spots, but they haven't seen him play will yet.
Speaker 1: He's so tall, Yeah, I mean he looks like a
Speaker 1: little linebacker in Marinelli's scheme. Yes, exactly what they're Well,
Speaker 1: if you look at in the history of Marinelli's of linebackers,
Speaker 1: Derek Brooks is the one, maybe the best ones he's
Speaker 1: ever had. Herlocker, of course, is a Hall of Fame guy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's to me, I just don't see Vanderish
Speaker 1: being is being that guy was strictly a middle lineback
Speaker 1: Rich strictly, and I think I think ultimately that's what
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderish is going to be himself, right, I think
Speaker 1: he's strictly So now it's gonna be Okay, who do
Speaker 1: you want to put in you at the will? If
Speaker 1: something goes down and you're right making, they very well
Speaker 1: might play. Joe Thomas said. I just think that that
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, to me, would probably be a bitter fit
Speaker 1: at Mike or on the strong side. And then you
Speaker 1: got and you got march Lillard as a little bit
Speaker 1: of a lighter guy that can run, get to the
Speaker 1: play stuff like that. You keep him unblocked and let
Speaker 1: him run to the football. And that's that's why I
Speaker 1: think you go with a little bit smaller guy at
Speaker 1: that position. And and justin march Lillard is listed at
Speaker 1: six foot two twenty two. I saw watched him be
Speaker 1: an interview just off to the side the other day.
Speaker 1: He looked like a little guy. Ye know, Well that's
Speaker 1: what that's what saying. He's a guy that that if
Speaker 1: you want to put him, and that's what I profile
Speaker 1: in that week side linebacker. Yeah, you order a quicker guy,
Speaker 1: guy that can run. You don't want a guy that's big, tall,
Speaker 1: that has to take time. And they again, you guys
Speaker 1: brought up the point about Joe Thomas. He could play
Speaker 1: all three spots, but I would keep him. I would
Speaker 1: keep him primarily at the MIC or at the SAM myself.
Speaker 1: And that's what Damian Wilson's at the mic. That's a sam,
Speaker 1: I mean sam. Yeah, Yeah, So a lot going on there. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I just haven't seen I haven't seen them,
Speaker 1: you know. The replacement used to be Okay, just take
Speaker 1: you know Anti hitching Hitchens play him over there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well Anti Hitchings to me is very similar body type
Speaker 1: to what you see with march Lillard. That kind of
Speaker 1: a guy, maybe a little bit big so than have
Speaker 1: they now that obviously they drafted vander Esh in the
Speaker 1: first round, but have they really replaced ant at the
Speaker 1: versatility that Anthony Hitchings had being able to play it.
Speaker 1: That Will maybe now maybe it's because of the march
Speaker 1: Lillard and Joe Thomas you're gonna have at least you
Speaker 1: have options. Yeah, now to say, okay, we don't have
Speaker 1: one guy, we got two guys. That's why they had
Speaker 1: to have those guys here, you know, because obviously, um
Speaker 1: the track record is not good. That Will still think
Speaker 1: they've got in their mind that maybe van der Esh
Speaker 1: can play over there. Oh Will, We just haven't seen
Speaker 1: it yet. Well, and that thing they want him to
Speaker 1: be focused on one. Yeah, he told us start a camp.
Speaker 1: He's been working at both spots and I'm with you,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but maybe maybe he's filmed studies. Mentally,
Speaker 1: I just I think he's a I think he's a
Speaker 1: perfect mic linebacker. I really do, Okay, I don't. We
Speaker 1: failed and it was my fault. We failed on Randy's
Speaker 1: in Kansas. Question about Dak making the progression. Are you
Speaker 1: able to see in training camp this early in training
Speaker 1: camp they making the progression that he needs to make
Speaker 1: over what you saw last regular season. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: anything I didn't like, right, Yeah, I think if initially,
Speaker 1: I think initially he probably would be if he had
Speaker 1: something back that he wasn't as good throwing the deep ball.
Speaker 1: And I think now that we're now eight nine practices
Speaker 1: into this thing, I do think you're seeing him throw
Speaker 1: the ball better down the field. I think he's getting
Speaker 1: accustomed to these receivers to they they threw something at
Speaker 1: him the other day I thought was pretty interesting throwing defense.
Speaker 1: That was the zone coverage down in the down in
Speaker 1: the red zone, and it made him have to play
Speaker 1: patient football. It made him have to say, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can't make that throw. I can't make that throw. I've
Speaker 1: gotta make this throw. So, if you want to to
Speaker 1: say something, he talked about being more you know, protecting
Speaker 1: the ball, being you know, being more patient with things.
Speaker 1: I think if you want to say something, he might
Speaker 1: have improved on not trying to force things. I think
Speaker 1: that's something that tells a lot. If they're gonna drop,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna sit there and drop seven or eight
Speaker 1: people back, and and you're gonna try and force balls
Speaker 1: all day, you're gonna be like Johnny Manziel last night
Speaker 1: and that Montreal Alouette scar Lord. Yeah, that's what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen to. That's why, that why, that's why, that's why
Speaker 1: I wasn't Fix and a half Vicky. That's why I
Speaker 1: wasn't watching the gold jacket thing. Now, I remember, and
Speaker 1: I worked out actually last night and I was watching
Speaker 1: the train Wreck on ESPN. That's what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. When you when you forced the ball, Mike,
Speaker 1: Mike Sherman didn't get him like because he knows it.
Speaker 1: Did you know Jerry Glenville still coaches for what team,
Speaker 1: Hamilton Tiger Cats, a defensive coordinator. He's seventy six years old,
Speaker 1: did a nice job. Last night. They showed him on
Speaker 1: the sideline that looks like Jerry Glenville, and sure enough
Speaker 1: it was Jerry Glanville, right. He looked like he was
Speaker 1: forty six? Did he have on did he have on
Speaker 1: the black duster while he was coaching the game, the
Speaker 1: black long duster in the boots. You know, somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: say the same thing about Campbell when they see him
Speaker 1: in the sideline to the Southern cowd to say this,
Speaker 1: But I I didn't. You didn't know he was still life.
Speaker 1: It's good. He is good to know. Which. He's glad
Speaker 1: you saw which, which reminds me of a funny story.
Speaker 1: We were in Tampa. This is going back. I remember
Speaker 1: that hot well, every game in September and Tampa it
Speaker 1: is hot and humid and so forth. The game, Michael
Speaker 1: Irvin scored the touchdown to win the game. It was
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety or ninety one at Tampa. It was. It
Speaker 1: was the hottest ninety I mean that locker room was
Speaker 1: so humid after it was as small ast cramped up,
Speaker 1: sobre humid. Yeah, the old sombrero there. But anyway, before
Speaker 1: the game, we're in the press box and I think
Speaker 1: they call it the Abe Gibron press box or something.
Speaker 1: There's some tribute to Abe Gibron and they were uh,
Speaker 1: and they made an announcement coach for that, they they
Speaker 1: made some announcement about Abe Gibron and Jerry or former
Speaker 1: reporter Channel Channel, was sitting next to me in the
Speaker 1: press box and he says, God, I didn't know Abe
Speaker 1: Gibron was still alive. Then we hear there's a voice
Speaker 1: were right behind us him. I had a flashback to
Speaker 1: that one. I saw Jerry Gladville on the sideline. If
Speaker 1: I remember, you know my history here for the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1: George Allen got on the bad side of George Hollis
Speaker 1: for some reason, and when they had to, when he
Speaker 1: was leaving, they named Abe Gimbron the head coach. And
Speaker 1: that's when George Allen left. I think George Allen started
Speaker 1: with the Rams, but he went to the Rams. Okay,
Speaker 1: he was with the Bear Rams Redskins, but he was
Speaker 1: with the Bears. Yeah, am I right? No? I mean
Speaker 1: at the Bears. He was a disaster. He was a
Speaker 1: disaster Tampa. Oh man, I would say, if he has
Speaker 1: a press box, just make sure he's not sitting behind you. Well,
Speaker 1: he passed away in nineteen ninety seven, Oh man. Abe
Speaker 1: Gibron was okay. He was with the He was offensive
Speaker 1: line coach with the Bears sixty five to sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Then defensive coordinator. Maybe it was head coach seventy two
Speaker 1: to seventy four. Yeah, and then he became the Chicago
Speaker 1: Wins head coach. Yeah, exactly exactly, and name went to
Speaker 1: Tampa after that as a defensive coordinator from seventy six
Speaker 1: to eighty four. Okay, how quick can you look up
Speaker 1: George Allen? Well? But can I finish up my thing
Speaker 1: about Dak? Yeah? I think I think the thing about
Speaker 1: with again, it's about patience with him. If if he's
Speaker 1: not trying to force passes, I think that's a that's
Speaker 1: a thing because last year, and Mickey was right about
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, he threw some good balls that
Speaker 1: got clanged up in the air, you know. But if
Speaker 1: you see him going through progressions, if you see him
Speaker 1: reading defense is if you see him making the right decisions,
Speaker 1: that only boats well. And I think we've seen that again.
Speaker 1: The only thing I really saw initially was the touch
Speaker 1: on the deep ball, But I think that's improved as
Speaker 1: we've gone along here in camp, and even with the
Speaker 1: guys seving some probably a little bit some tired arms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's throwing the ball pretty well. Very rarely
Speaker 1: do you see him throw a ball that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: where was that? Yeah, you know already a lot of
Speaker 1: that whelready. He finished in the top ten. I think
Speaker 1: it was number six. Yeah, he was in the top ten. No,
Speaker 1: I said where though, I assumed he was. Well he's
Speaker 1: in that's good. Yeah, yeah, Well what nine or ten? No?
Speaker 1: I think he was six or seven and then on
Speaker 1: the top ten. I don't remember. Off the top of
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com, we had the top guys in
Speaker 1: camp so far. Okay, uh, George Allen answer your question, Mickey.
Speaker 1: He was a Bears assistant from fifty eight to sixty five.
Speaker 1: Then he was with the Rams for five years sixty
Speaker 1: six to seventy, and then to the Redskins from seventy
Speaker 1: one to seventy seven. I just remember there was something
Speaker 1: that went on between Allen and he and Hellis signed
Speaker 1: up with Gibberon instead of Papa Bart didn't make a
Speaker 1: lot of good decisions that time. Yeah, he was starting
Speaker 1: to lose it, all right. A couple of minutes left
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys here as well. Let's spend the last
Speaker 1: couple of minutes previewing tomorrow's Blue White Scrimmage, which you
Speaker 1: can watch here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, t x
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Speaker 1: southern California to head on over here to Oxnard and
Speaker 1: watch you got They'll be on the field right over
Speaker 1: there where the grandstand is. Great opportunity to watch this
Speaker 1: team in action. It's fun for the whole family with
Speaker 1: a youth combine for the kids as well. What are
Speaker 1: y'all looking forward to in the scrimmage tomorrow scrimmage portion
Speaker 1: of practice tomorrow, Well, when they actually scrimmage, it will
Speaker 1: be at the blue period. And I just want to
Speaker 1: see what some of these young guys that we think
Speaker 1: we know actually play football. And you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: start tackling, yeah, I assume right. And you know we
Speaker 1: can see where what Armstrong's doing, right, we could see
Speaker 1: what you know, this Antoine Woods whatever. You know, somebody
Speaker 1: knows his name now, you know, Crawford knows who he is,
Speaker 1: The owner knows who he is. Good. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: some of those guys, some of those backup tackles. You know,
Speaker 1: anybody got anything because it's still that position. We're a
Speaker 1: little worried about, right, Yeah, and they're gonna have to play.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna have to be backups. There made it through
Speaker 1: an entire show without mentioning the name Cam Fleming until
Speaker 1: just now. Yeah, go ahead. I think with Cam Fleming again,
Speaker 1: he's a fifty to fifty fifty guy. A little bit
Speaker 1: better in practice the other day. So yeah, we'll see
Speaker 1: how that all swings out with us. He plays with
Speaker 1: those guys. No, he's been in the blue period. He's
Speaker 1: been getting been in there, has been getting work at
Speaker 1: left tackle in the blue period. Maybe they're trying to
Speaker 1: get him in a little bit better shape, a little
Speaker 1: bit better conditioning, maybe trying to accelerate the play knowledge
Speaker 1: and stuff. But yeah, I'm always interested in offensive defensive lines.
Speaker 1: I'll throw the quarter backs out there too. Which one
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks to marrow can maybe separate a little bit?
Speaker 1: Which one will which one when we do our show
Speaker 1: on Monday, Will we have a better taste in our
Speaker 1: mouth about the way, and maybe that will launch one
Speaker 1: of these guys to play. Talking about Cooper Rush, yeah exactly, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's right. The final word from Rob. I'm watching these
Speaker 1: tight ends. I want to continue to see Blake Jarlin's
Speaker 1: done a nice job in camp up to this point.
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Swain has been solid. Who else can
Speaker 1: step up? And you know, is there going to be
Speaker 1: more clarity of this job as we get closer to
Speaker 1: preseason game number one? All right? Should be fun on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Enjoy your weekend in the meantime, and we will see
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