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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is the production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer

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Speaker 1: Max the Governor, Williams the Governator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sinister, sinister.

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Speaker 3: I got I got a friend. His name's Davis.

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Speaker 4: He's like a real pretty southern guy and uh, he's

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Speaker 4: really like he's like a kind of a stickler, and

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Speaker 4: so we think him to calling him the governor.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I thought you were gonna say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a real psychopath. Oh he is that he is

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Speaker 2: that too, okay, fair enough?

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Speaker 1: I like the uh. I love British slang, especially the

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Speaker 1: kind of affectionate stuff. When people say governor, I think

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Speaker 1: that's so cool. And also when people say the first

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Speaker 1: time I was in England went through customs, and I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest with you guys, this dude to customs absolutely

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Speaker 1: charmed me because he called me squire.

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Speaker 2: We love squire. That's a very cockney thing, almost like governor.

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Speaker 2: There's an episode of our character on The Mighty Boosh

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Speaker 2: played by Noel Fielding who's got like a freaking like

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Speaker 2: meant for an eye. It's like a like a life's

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Speaker 2: like a lifesaver mint, and he's always calling people's squire

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Speaker 2: and eating jelly deals, you know, and like he's all

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Speaker 2: stab you in the oil with a screwdriw a squire,

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Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that. Yeah, that's all I got.

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Speaker 4: I was actually working on research for a future episode

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Speaker 4: that I'll leave untitled for now, but I went across

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Speaker 4: this guy named Samuel L.

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Speaker 2: Governor.

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Speaker 4: He was the nephew of James Rowe, who was what

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Speaker 4: the fifth president of American history, and so he had

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Speaker 4: position a private secretary to the president. He also married

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Speaker 4: James Monroe's daughter, who if you remember, this is Jans

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Speaker 4: Monroe's nephew. So yeah, Mary's first cousin.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, then I think that spoiler alert for the

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Speaker 2: topic that you're.

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Speaker 1: Right right, everybody act surprised. I act surprised that I'm

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Speaker 1: Ben and you are Noel Brown. Yeah, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: what's interesting about Monroe is there is a shade of

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Speaker 1: nepotism there, something that people might call a bit corrupt.

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Speaker 1: At we taught, you know, I think we do a

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Speaker 1: good job on all our shows of being even handed

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Speaker 1: in these divided political times, but most people can agree.

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Speaker 1: Elections can go sideways pretty easily, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, especially like in the olden times. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, hell, who am I kidding? In the modern

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Speaker 2: times it's just as just as rife, you know, with problems.

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Speaker 2: But in the olden days before you if the very

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Speaker 2: form of oversight to these elections, that wasn't just like

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Speaker 2: a person standing there with a with a clipboard. Lots

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Speaker 2: of opportunities to get up to all kinds of shenanaganry.

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Speaker 2: We recently did an episode on Stuff that I Don't

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Speaker 2: want you to know about Edgar Allan Poe. One of

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Speaker 2: the theories surrounding his untimely death was that he was

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Speaker 2: swept up in a practice called cooping. I want to

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Speaker 2: tell us about cooping. Then it is wild?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cooping? Okay, So cooping is the answer to every

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Speaker 1: local corrupt political official or campaign member who says I

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Speaker 1: need all these votes and I don't have enough people.

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Speaker 1: So what I should do is get people really drunk

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Speaker 1: to the point of alcohol poisoning and kidnap them, force

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Speaker 1: them into these rooms, and then make them change costumes

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Speaker 1: and vote repeatedly, and then throw this wig. Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened, y'all. And in fact, I'm almost positive

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Speaker 2: we did do an episode about that in on Ridiculous History,

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Speaker 2: or at least one where that came up. But just

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Speaker 2: as a little primer in terms of the depths of

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Speaker 2: corruption that the early politics in America and how most

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Speaker 2: other countries sank. Now, America is pretty unique in its awfulness,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's like an

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Speaker 1: apple origeous thing maybe, but there's still both produce. Countries

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Speaker 1: find ways to be corrupt, and today's story is about

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Speaker 2: That's saying a whole lot. And just to add, like

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Speaker 2: guess my caveat is that we purport to have this

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Speaker 2: And if you don't, you know, do what I say,

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Speaker 2: and that these things are fair and equitable. And as

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Speaker 2: the election of nineteen oh four in Colorado will show,

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Speaker 2: it's probably worse than you think.

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Speaker 1: This is also our Colorado episode. We're doing it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're doing it.

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Speaker 2: We are sus. John would be proud, I know, I.

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Speaker 1: Hope, so I hope he writes this back. So Colorado

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Speaker 1: had a gubernatorial election in nineteen oh four, and the

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Speaker 1: whole state went into an uproar on this. I actually

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Speaker 1: I think maybe we get right into the details without

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Speaker 1: and then guess what and then guess what kind of story?

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Speaker 2: What do you think? Oh? Yeah? First of all, can

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Speaker 2: I just say that the word gubernatorial just makes me

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Speaker 2: giggle every time because it just it leads so hard

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Speaker 2: on the goober. You know, it really feels like an

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Speaker 2: as Arim would say, begin the begin this story requires

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Speaker 2: us to take a look at that incumbent governor, Republican

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Speaker 2: James H. Peabody already a bit of a controversial figure.

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Speaker 2: He was not a friend of the working class. Let

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Speaker 2: us say, the time when he was in office was

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Speaker 2: just plagued with clashes with you know, working folks, literally

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Speaker 2: Just beat him up some.

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Speaker 1: More until moralem proves. It's weird because past governors before

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Speaker 1: our pal Peabody had tried to side with the working class.

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Speaker 1: Peabody instead said, no, we're going to show them what's

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Speaker 1: what we are sending in the state militia. We're cracking down.

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Speaker 1: He was the guy who started something called the Colorado

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Speaker 2: And hebas corbus, meaning obviously, what does it present the

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Speaker 2: So this is like a very grim play on words,

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Speaker 2: for you of your own people exactly.

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Speaker 1: And this, as you might have med, struck some folks

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Speaker 1: this gubernatorial it is a hilarious word. This gubernatorial election

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Speaker 1: side of the political aisle, a Democrat named Alva Adams.

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Speaker 1: You don't really hear the word the name Alva too often. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think i've ever met at Alva.

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Speaker 2: Classic old lady name, No offense to any old ladies

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Speaker 2: out there. Alma is definitely a variation of Alva. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen them before either, but that's what it

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Speaker 2: But in this case, we're talking about an opponent in

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Speaker 2: the governor's race, Democrat, Alva Adams.

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Speaker 1: As you said then, and we want to give a

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Speaker 1: big shout out to Devinflores over at Historycolorado dot org,

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Speaker 1: who's giving us a lot of these early blow by

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Speaker 1: blows and setups. Yeah, Alva. It's interesting. Alva served as

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Speaker 1: the fifth and tenth governor of Colorado.

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Speaker 2: Potentially the fourteenth, the hopeful for the fourteenth, right, that's

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Speaker 2: the hope. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so these guys are neither of them are considered

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's very difficult to be a governor of

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Speaker 2: So quickly, totally, and it's like mud slinging, and there's

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Speaker 2: And a lot of this stuff is probably you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely truth in these accusations, you know,

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Speaker 2: that are being levied against both parties here. It's up

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Speaker 2: than the other. I would argue it's peabody. We'll let

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Speaker 2: history be the judge of that. Yes, yeah, Okay, So

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Speaker 2: a spoiler alert. The race is very very close. That's

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Speaker 2: of reports of voter frauds, stuffed ballot boxes, all the hits,

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Speaker 2: all the good ones. Once everything calms down, Adams has

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Speaker 2: officially won the governorship by a very very narrow margin,

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Speaker 2: and the Democrats additionally win the state Senate. But this

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party initiated legal action. Before we go on,

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Speaker 2: can I just say you mentioning stuffed ballot boxes prompted

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Speaker 2: Not to mention, like just the stuffing, which the practice

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Speaker 2: really does. Just refer to voting more than once, Right,

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Speaker 2: that's essentially what's up.

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Speaker 1: Or manufacturing votes and just putting them all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kanye, right, we made.

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Speaker 1: Up our names for this for the show we're recording today.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, we got Nell's born, which is a cool name,

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Speaker 1: Sir M James Williams Esquire and of course X powers astronaut.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, with or without a secret, depending on the day,

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Speaker 2: you know. And it's funny because in the modern day

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Speaker 2: we have cases or at least accused alleged cases of

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Speaker 2: voter fraud involving dead people voting, you know, or like

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Speaker 2: there's this it's interesting to see the parallels between like

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Speaker 2: this old school kind of shenaniganry around the elections and

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Speaker 2: I mean, of course it's a little harder to rig

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Speaker 2: an election you're not dealing with paper. But even like

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Speaker 2: that only ended kind of after the hanging Chad incidents, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's like it's I'm gonna say, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: when I've voted recently, what you do is you print up,

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Speaker 4: print it out, you put it in the printer.

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Speaker 3: They watch you put in the printer.

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Speaker 2: So you're right, there is some historical need for it

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Speaker 2: to still be paper. It's just you know how long

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Speaker 2: Put the mask on your child first as you marvel

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Speaker 4: No, no, you always put the mask on yourself first.

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Speaker 4: See I see this is how much I've tuned down.

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Speaker 4: You have to help yourself. You can't help anyone else

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Speaker 1: That's what the politicians here must have been saying in

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Speaker 2: Only we know that, though only we could possibly know

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Speaker 1: I don't know the ends, justify the means. And if

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Speaker 2: Of it later. Political sauce.

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Speaker 1: A government by the least suitable or competent citizens.

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Speaker 2: It's like the worst form of government next to all

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Speaker 2: And you know, I gotta say, I love a good cliffhanger.

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Speaker 1: What gives They said, we can't let our political rivals

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Speaker 2: But how are we going to stop them? How are

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Speaker 1: Then? Well, first, no, they stopped the government. They just

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Speaker 2: How about you.

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Speaker 1: Get to appoint members of the State Supreme Court if

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Speaker 2: It was riots in the street. People were outraged. This

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, it's a real life version of

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Speaker 1: In Denver, the Democratic Party had stuffed ballot boxes and

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Speaker 2: Max is burning to tell us, submissive.

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Speaker 4: I got a question. You say, control the police, Are

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Speaker 4: they like mister Nimbus. They control the police.

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Speaker 1: He controls the police.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they're a cold killer.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, a lot of brick and mortar before we started

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Speaker 2: At right now. Okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Oh you you remember this one. It's the time travel

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Speaker 3: It's the first episode of season.

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Speaker 2: Five, of course, of course, yes, yes, I know it well,

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Speaker 2: You know, it still feels very much a thing today

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Speaker 2: They took hours and hours of public comments, which was

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Speaker 2: I would argue things have not changed that much.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with that assessment, especially because a hospital

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Speaker 4: Seventy one that they messed up, like, oh crap, I

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Speaker 2: As far as another hilarious status concerned, I think like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a Russian voting right there, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: So of course it sounds like we're cracking on the

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Speaker 2: Way different than the one we know. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: That's a good note. Yeah, that's a really important part

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Speaker 1: And of course, just like any good insult comics, we're

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Speaker 1: Republicans were coercing voters everywhere. The big railroad and mining

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's just the most abject form of coercion.

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Speaker 2: You know, let me mess with your money, you know,

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Speaker 2: because didn't you already have a bad reputation for messing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the owners of the mines loved They said,

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the miners. I'm thinking the miners. We're

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, perfect. Excuse me, that was a very good

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Speaker 1: And the folks working at the mines, you know what,

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Speaker 2: This is a specific skill set. I mean, like you

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Speaker 2: And of course, as anybody who has mining in your

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Speaker 2: And these guys, these my workers, are furious that they're

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Speaker 2: They're physically abusing us. They're telling us to commit voter fraud,

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Speaker 2: So these investigators, many of whom will later be found

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Speaker 1: one Montez is the election clerk of a place called

434
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Speaker 1: Jrfano County and one day he jumps out of a moving.

435
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Speaker 2: Train like you do. He probably forgot that he left

436
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Speaker 2: the toaster on or something. You know, yeah, maybe have

437
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: a toaster. Those things are on a timer. The oven

438
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: he had to go. He had to Now that's weird, right,

439
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 2: That's that's weird. It's weird to Yeah, usually you wait

440
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: for the train to stop. I'm not you know, I'm

441
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: not an engineer, but that's always normally. I'm just implying

442
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: there may have been foul play a foot oh, entirely

443
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: likely that he did not do this on purpose.

444
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Speaker 1: It feels like that Indiana Jones heist in the beginning

445
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: of what was at Last Crusade where it starts with the

446
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: young Indiana Jones. He's on the run because he has

447
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: been ordered by the court to bring back a ballot

448
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: box that was used in the election, and a sheriff's

449
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: deputy rode along ast an escort. They were from going

450
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: from Denver to Wolsenburg, and the deputy was there because

451
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: people didn't trust this election clerk.

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Speaker 2: Oh man here, I was the whole time thinking that

453
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Speaker 2: this guy had been like targeted because he was like

454
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Speaker 2: the good boy who was who was was getting to

455
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Speaker 2: the heart of all the Shenanigan ring, but in fact

456
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: he himself was was was a party just said Shenanigan ring.

457
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Speaker 2: And he basically jumped out of the moving train because

458
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Speaker 2: he was a big old coward and knew that the

459
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Speaker 2: jig was up.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, maybe his family was threatened. We really don't know,

461
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: but it is hilarious to think he had already been

462
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: asked to produce this ballot box and he didn't, and

463
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Speaker 1: the legislature put law enforcement autumn to make sure he

464
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Speaker 1: actually brought it back this time. But he knew we

465
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Speaker 1: had a hot box. He knew it was corrupt, so

466
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Speaker 1: so fairly not to hot box.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Not too long after the train leaves the station, our

469
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: boy Motes jumps off the train and tries to run away.

470
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Speaker 1: He is captured. He is charged with election fraud. He

471
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Speaker 1: gets a lot of headlights because he went to the

472
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Speaker 1: mat right for whomever his patrons were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and one would think, okay, they've got their fall

474
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: guy literally right. He knows how to take a fall,

475
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: literally and figuratively. But he was not the last person charged.

476
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Speaker 2: I mean, of course, we always know that the people

477
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: who truly are at the heart of perpetrating. These kinds

478
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: of conspiracies usually get away scott free, but it doesn't

479
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: mean you can't. You don't make a show of like justice.

480
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: You know, justice must be done and gets you a

481
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: handful of names and faces to plaster up and see,

482
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: we did we did it, We found the bad guys.

483
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 2: Now move on and things basically stay the same. But sorry,

484
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Speaker 2: if I'm being a.

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Speaker 1: Little I don't think you know. I'm a practice. I

486
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: practice optimistic nihilism. Right, nothing matters and things are really okay.

487
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: But but I one hundred percent agree with you because

488
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: people like a face. Right, That's why celebrity news is

489
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: so much more popular than policy news. So if you

490
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: have to your point, nol, if you have that face

491
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: people can look at, then they can feel like that

492
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: person's punishment means the problem is solved. As you pointed out,

493
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: they couldn't be further from the truth. The box from

494
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: Hufano County, the ballot hot box, the hot box that

495
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: they eventually get. It turns out this thing is completely empty,

496
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: like that vault. Eraldo Rivera made such a big deal

497
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: about getting into.

498
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: Like a Snickers wrapper in there just blowing in the

499
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: wind and the box tumbleweed.

500
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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and the box hadn't even been used during

501
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: the election. As a result, all the ballots cast in

502
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Speaker 1: that precinct didn't count.

503
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Speaker 2: It's funny. I was sort of ragging on the you know,

504
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: very unintimidating construction of these boxes. But they are all

505
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: like you know, catalog, They've just got like a number

506
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: associated with them. This is government property. You know, these

507
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 2: things are meant to be distributed and kept track of

508
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: in a way. You know, with that, it's supposed to

509
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: have some level of precision. So uh this, you know,

510
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: they were gonna get to the bottom of like where

511
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: that what happened with said box, you know what I mean?

512
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: They were trying what hopes, you know, and a lot

513
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: of other ballots get thrown out during this corruption investigation,

514
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: and a lot of them shouldn't have been thrown out.

515
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: It gets really weird. Also, I want to point out

516
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Speaker 1: I really appreciate they use the phrase hanging Chad because

517
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: it's a terrible thing in an election, but like gubernatorial

518
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: it's just it's a hilarious image.

519
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: To me, and the just for make me make sure

520
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm remembering this right, The hanging Chad was literally like

521
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: back in the day where you kind of ballots were

522
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: almost like a scantron card, but you'd use a little

523
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: pin to poke out these perfer little guys, and they

524
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: were arguing that in some precinct or whatever, the construction

525
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: of the cards was such that the piece of paper

526
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't pop all the way out, and if it was

527
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: hanging then it did, it shouldn't be counted as a

528
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 2: full vote. But that's sort of like kind of bullshit, right.

529
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: The intent of the voter is clear if they punched

530
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: the thing just didn't break off, but I don't know.

531
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you're absolutely correct, you nailed it. And I

532
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: remember when that became a huge controversy. Uh, several years back.

533
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: The only thing that could make me laugh was picturing

534
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: some guy named Chad who just hung out at polling

535
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: places in Florida and distracted people, like, Hey, what's up man?

536
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 2: You want smoothie? You want to hit this?

537
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: You want to hit this?

538
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: Bro? Check out this, matt Alie.

539
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: I got an alligator in my truck. So so, yeah,

540
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: hanging Chad was not that cool.

541
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: It is.

542
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: It is the thing you described little and a lot

543
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: of these ballots get thrown out and something that happens

544
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: you know later closer to modern day as well, and

545
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: the investigation started to become even more corrupt itself. More

546
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: and more residents of Colorado from all political stripes were

547
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: saying to each other. They were saying, look, man, I

548
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: might be a Democrat, you might be a Republican, but

549
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: we can agree the government of Colorado sucks.

550
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Sucks real bad. Yeah. I mean again, not like there

551
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: were that many like shining paragons of governmental excellence at

552
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 2: this point in our country's fair history. But no, Colorado

553
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: is pretty awful. Like I mean, this was a level

554
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: of corruption pretty close to like the whole Tammany Hall,

555
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: you know vibes like in Chicago, you know, to associated

556
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: with like bootlegging and gangsters and all of that stuff.

557
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe not that level of connection with like

558
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 2: organized crime, but certainly the type of cronyism and just

559
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: you know, two faced dealings, double dealings, more than one

560
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: could possibly imagine. But we can help you imagine it.

561
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 2: We're gonna tell you more in a minute. Yeah, it

562
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: gets worse.

563
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: So we said that the state government became pretty ineffective,

564
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: ground to a halt. I think is the phrase we used.

565
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: That's because this investigation amounted to two hundred thousand pages

566
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: of evidence, over two thousand witnesses. And the guy again,

567
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: the Democratic Now Governor Adams is in office, but he

568
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: can't do anything because anytime he does something, he gets

569
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: attacked for allegedly fixing the election as exactly.

570
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the.

571
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 1: Word they use. And the legislature instead of you know,

572
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: handling affairs of the state, they spend weeks and weeks

573
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: and weeks just say no you uh uh you though.

574
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah more that spider man me and you're talking out earlier.

575
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: And usurper. I'm sorry I had to say in that

576
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: goofy voice because it's just Game of Thrones as hell,

577
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: that that is the term that gets thrown around when

578
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: someone like basically takes the throne or like you know,

579
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: uh scoop someone else's birthright, you know, usually involving a

580
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: murder most foul.

581
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: We should start, I agree, we should bring usurper back

582
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: and just start using it to incredibly escalate normal situations.

583
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: They pair it with a hard point yeah, like you

584
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: were doing you know, yeah, yeah.

585
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: So we're hanging out at our local uh or whatever,

586
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: our local cheers is and then someone takes your seat.

587
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: Then let's all call the person a surper and then

588
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: let's hold a corrupt vote about it.

589
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like that scene where what is her name,

590
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: Circe Lanister, She's getting paraded through the square and the nun.

591
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: Shame shame, you know, with theftor playing that nun is.

592
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: I did look this up. It was somebody interesting.

593
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: Is Hannah Wattingham, who is like the coal of ted Lasso.

594
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: That's right, yes, I remember.

595
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: I saw an interview she did with one of the

596
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 4: late night hosts and she's like for like everyone, like

597
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: on Game of Thrones, they're having this massive makeup and

598
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: stuff like that. They told me to show up with

599
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: no make about and they go perfect and put me

600
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: on the stage.

601
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: What she's such a she's such a kind of fabulous character,

602
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: you know in uh in ted Lasso, like very stylish

603
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: and cosmopolitan, and in this one she's like just the

604
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: quinn essential unadorned nun that is just shaming somebody you

605
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: know's being paraded through the square.

606
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: And shout out ted Lasso, Ah.

607
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: I heard it's not good, did you? I disagree?

608
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: Wholehearted?

609
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 4: Okay, I think I think I think it's the people

610
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: are being critical of it, saying like, oh, it's a

611
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: little too emotional, a little too corny. I'm like ted

612
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: Lass has always been kind of emotional. I mean it

613
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: makes me feel good. Yeah, the show is positive.

614
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: That's like saying a Hallmark birthday card is too birthday centric.

615
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: It's like saying a bucket full of puppies and hiddens

616
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: is too cute.

617
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: Right, it also has just just too damn many puppies

618
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: and kittens in it, you know.

619
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: And so this huge to do this brew haha, doesn't

620
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: end with what you would call justice based on the

621
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Speaker 1: Dictionary definition of justice. It ends with some dirty backroom deals.

622
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: We stop the presses, stop the votes, put the ballot

623
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Speaker 1: box down, stop the count. Oh yeah, stop the count man,

624
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: stop the presses. Who's that this Vicky Vale? That is?

625
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: That's also that's also us saying this is part one right,

626
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: because we know we're having so much fun with this

627
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: that we decided, check out how prepared we are now, folks.

628
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: We decided before we got in the booth that we

629
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: would make this at two partner.

630
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: You have a booth, that's fancy.

631
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: You know, I got to show you guys. Like the

632
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: new place where I live. I had to line it

633
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: with a bunch of shelves, so it's actually kind.

634
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: Of a it's a booth.

635
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: It's San Francisco. They call it a room, but here

636
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: it okay.

637
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: It's okay. I just have a basement. I wish I

638
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: had a booth. Maybe one day. I love my basement,

639
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: but I got no booth. But maybe one day I'll

640
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: build one. I'll build out a booth of my own,

641
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: and then we'll finally be on equal playing field. But

642
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: speaking of equal playing field, that wasn't a thing that

643
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: existed in politics of yesteryear. Thing the decks and the

644
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: ballot boxes and all of the things were stacked, stuffed loaded.

645
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: We're going to get right back into talking about a

646
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: particularly corrupt episode in American politics. It took place in

647
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: a place you might not have thought would be guilty

648
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: of such things. Colorado. They're cool in Colorado, right, they

649
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: smoke all the weed. Why are they beefing in the

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Speaker 2: streets and beaten up striking miners? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And we can't wait for you to tune in with

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Speaker 1: us this when we have part two coming out thanks

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Speaker 1: to super producer Max, the Governor Williams. Thanks to Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Strickland aka the Quizter, and who else knows who else who.

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Speaker 2: Else, Oh Alex Williams who composed this banging diddy Max Williams,

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Speaker 2: which is incredible resource for this two parter, intentional two parter.

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Speaker 2: And you Ben for being such an above the board guy.

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Speaker 2: You know when it comes to your politics and just

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Speaker 2: not fixing elections are generally being a shady character. Hey,

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Speaker 2: back at you.

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Speaker 1: You know work, We work really hard on ridiculous history,

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Speaker 1: not to fix elections anymore.

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