Speaker 1: If if if Jordan's Michael Jackson, then Scottie Pippen is
Speaker 1: Rod Temperton and Phil Jackson is Quincy Jones. Without those components,
Speaker 1: without Rod Temperton riding thriller Michael Jackson's greatest in signature song,
Speaker 1: we would not see a matter of fact, you don't
Speaker 1: have an album that sells forty million, You don't have
Speaker 1: the title of the album. You don't have the single
Speaker 1: that became the greatest possibly the greatest song ever. You
Speaker 1: don't have it. So I'm not saying Michael Jordan's or
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson would have not been great without those things.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was already great, like Jordan was great. But
Speaker 1: the way we see them is rooted and these particular
Speaker 1: great men being a part. And they're not just like
Speaker 1: the nigger that's the engineer. They're not the nigga going
Speaker 1: to seven eleven. Rod Temperton is Rod motherfucking Temperton. He
Speaker 1: is not here right now. Um, but I got my
Speaker 1: boys who but y'all is on my ship now out
Speaker 1: This is incredible now, so shout out to my boy
Speaker 1: tv J my boy Patty. Welcome to No Ceilings, the
Speaker 1: most honest podcast in the history of podcasting. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited to be here right now. I have no idea
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. I like it that way. I
Speaker 1: have no idea where this is going. I like it
Speaker 1: that way. So I'm very excited to be here right now.
Speaker 1: And I got you some people, man, so I hope
Speaker 1: I don't. I got you. So what's been bothering me
Speaker 1: right is and y'all both being from Chicago. Everything going
Speaker 1: on with Scottie Pippen. That's what I brought you on
Speaker 1: here to talk about everything going on with Scottie Pipper.
Speaker 1: Now I know scott is not from Chicago. He's not
Speaker 1: born and ready to Chicago, but very much he is
Speaker 1: Chicago to everybody that's not from Chicago to eat us,
Speaker 1: to us, even Scottie Pippen. Yeah, like Chicago bro like
Speaker 1: like growing up, I'll swear to God. When I was
Speaker 1: a kid, I didn't know Michael joined Scott Worth for Chicago.
Speaker 1: Like I learned later on in life that like these
Speaker 1: niggas is not for Chicago. I learned that later on
Speaker 1: the life one of the Arkansas. He's signed the country
Speaker 1: as hell. He used to be all Marco. Don't know
Speaker 1: it though, It's just like, what is Chicago without that
Speaker 1: basketball team? Did ask? Like what positive? No? For real, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not even king hot dogs, hot dogs, criminals bear, bro,
Speaker 1: what are you serious? Kanye West? That's before No, that's
Speaker 1: after that. I'm being I'm being, I'm being honest. Now
Speaker 1: he says that, what do I think of when I
Speaker 1: think of Chicago outside of the Bulls. It does dim
Speaker 1: the light a little bit? It is it coas hot dogs,
Speaker 1: the mob, the mob mob, not even pizza like Chicago
Speaker 1: South Pizza for the real system. No, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: think even know I would no, no, no, no, bro,
Speaker 1: no bro, No, I wouldn't think that Kanye West. People
Speaker 1: don't think that either. People don't think that either. I
Speaker 1: do because I find but people literally don't think that.
Speaker 1: I would think of New York when you said that, facts,
Speaker 1: that's what I would think of when you think of
Speaker 1: pizza and buildings, I would think of New York. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think of hot dogs, but think of Kanye West,
Speaker 1: the Mob. But think of the mob for sure, like
Speaker 1: the gangsters, and I'm gonna think of the gang culture
Speaker 1: there no positive No, It's like no, bro, like no,
Speaker 1: you are not in New York exactly like like look
Speaker 1: like look like look glass people all this role. I
Speaker 1: disagree with that though. We don't have to be New York,
Speaker 1: but like, we like the culture center of the Midwest.
Speaker 1: But bro, it's the middle being the biggest piece of
Speaker 1: ship in the toilet or something. You just don't think
Speaker 1: of that, That's what because you don't think of that
Speaker 1: when you think of the Midwest, like the cultural run
Speaker 1: of signs the way you should, you know. And I
Speaker 1: agree because I think it very much is the blackest
Speaker 1: place in America, even blacker than the South Different though,
Speaker 1: because Patty didn't leave the South Side until he was
Speaker 1: an adult. I used to leave the South Side all
Speaker 1: the time when I was a kid, so I've seen
Speaker 1: I've been seeing all parts of Chicago since I was little,
Speaker 1: so I just have a different perspective on it. But
Speaker 1: we talked about to the world though, Bro, the world,
Speaker 1: to the world. Don't you ask me my opinion. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I'm with you, Yeah, I'm with you. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think of Scottie Pippen in Chicago in the
Speaker 1: same thing. I think of Michael Jordan in the same thing,
Speaker 1: because it's why mad, And that's why he mad exactly, man,
Speaker 1: that's exactly why Pitt mad bron on Space Gym because
Speaker 1: Mike shot Space Jam and they show why he mad
Speaker 1: Chicago right His house in Chicago, which actually my childhood
Speaker 1: doctor lived on the same block as Michael Jordan is
Speaker 1: like out back Great America, so he didn't live in
Speaker 1: the city, but he lived out there. And Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: house was famous out there and it was in Space Jam.
Speaker 1: So like, yes, you associate Michael Chicago. You literally saw
Speaker 1: buzz money crawling into this nigger living room like as
Speaker 1: at least for me as a kid, So I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Like I don't associate Scottie Pitt with Chicago and Scotti also,
Speaker 1: like Scottie kind of dipped out and went to Portland
Speaker 1: and kind of flamed out, and then it was like whatever,
Speaker 1: Like Michael went to Mike retired, and then he went
Speaker 1: to the Wizards where he was trying to buy to
Speaker 1: Washington trying to buy the team. Bro left because they
Speaker 1: didn't want him anymore. They literally said we don't want
Speaker 1: you wanted more. Leave, That's not what they said they
Speaker 1: said to him. And more, they said, we don't want
Speaker 1: feel Jackson no more. And they said, we don't want
Speaker 1: Scotty too. They said, we don't want Scottie leave. I
Speaker 1: guarantee you to feel with to stay for another year.
Speaker 1: And it was just Mike and fucking and up and
Speaker 1: Jordan's he would have stayed cool. I'm sorry if Phil
Speaker 1: would have stayed for anotheringe and it was just Mike
Speaker 1: and Phil. You know, Michael to stay the front office,
Speaker 1: him the front office, right, everybody at all four and
Speaker 1: they would have went back to the conference finals and
Speaker 1: got smoked up by somebody. They wouldn't have went to
Speaker 1: no conference finals without Pippen. Okay, some things we have
Speaker 1: to stop doing. And even with my Chicago brethren, we
Speaker 1: have to stop giving Michael Jordan tirely too much credit.
Speaker 1: Let me let me go and record with this. Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's is the greatest shooting guarden the history of the NBA.
Speaker 1: He would be the greatest shooting guarden history in the
Speaker 1: NBA without Scottie Pippen. I'm going to say that right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that he was going to be
Speaker 1: an m v P Defensive Player of the Year without
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. He was gonna be the most savage shooting
Speaker 1: guard on either side of the ball, no matter. Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen was a bull. But the way we view Jordan's
Speaker 1: legacy is because of Scottie Pippen as well. And if
Speaker 1: we don't start being honest with that, it's it's really
Speaker 1: disrespectful to the team game of basketball. Scottie Pippen at worst,
Speaker 1: it has always been a top three small forward in
Speaker 1: the NBA during the prime of his career, facts a
Speaker 1: top three. Can I say what Scottie Pippen is. Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen is a rapper that buys a bunch of like
Speaker 1: stuff from this one brand, and then he gets associated
Speaker 1: with the brand, and then he goes to the brand
Speaker 1: and say, Yo, make me a brand at bass and
Speaker 1: they're like, now you've been rocking our ship because you
Speaker 1: associated with us. And they're like, man, that first, that
Speaker 1: brand or whatever. It's like, yeah, but you're still gonna
Speaker 1: be somewhat synonymous with that brand forever. That's marketing. Y'all
Speaker 1: be mad at Mike. Blame marketing, Like, blame the NBA
Speaker 1: and David Stern for putting Mike on that pedestal and
Speaker 1: making that brand of Michael Jordan's so good that anything
Speaker 1: associated with it became golden. Like if you was associated
Speaker 1: with Jordan's you looked at as a champion and and
Speaker 1: and one of the greats of all time forever. So
Speaker 1: after Scottie Pippen made him a champion, I think that,
Speaker 1: But that's not the point. David Stern was trying to
Speaker 1: take the game global. So if you try to, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: after after Scottie Pippen made him a champion. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that don't matter. Mike was Mike before. He wasn't even
Speaker 1: he never even led a team to a winning season
Speaker 1: before Scottie Pippen. So what Larry Bird called him god
Speaker 1: while he whipped his ass, but he still called him god.
Speaker 1: Johans called Kevin Durant the best player name backs and
Speaker 1: proceeded to put him out his ass, So what does
Speaker 1: that mean? So what does that? Is Kevin Durand not
Speaker 1: a God? No, sure he's a guy, Yeah he sure
Speaker 1: he's the guy. Yeah, yeah he's God, He's God. That's fair,
Speaker 1: But I'm saying it doesn't mean much if you're still
Speaker 1: gonna get bounced. Okay, but that's not that's not Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's fault, like Scottie Pippen is making this all about Mike.
Speaker 1: You don't understand it because Michael Jordan is making it
Speaker 1: about Mike. It's not all about Mike. How you made
Speaker 1: me because I'm a billionaire and I made great business
Speaker 1: moves and everybody loved me and people were literal, that's
Speaker 1: not But that's not why, bro. I think you know
Speaker 1: Scotty knows. Everything that I get from Scotty is that
Speaker 1: Scotty is mad. Scotty is mad, and he doesn't get
Speaker 1: the same level of respect that Michael Jordan gets. He
Speaker 1: feels like he gets put somewhere, like he was just
Speaker 1: alone for the ride, and that is not the case.
Speaker 1: Like again, I told you my problems with the documentary
Speaker 1: when it drop, it felt like a Michael Jordan propaganda piece.
Speaker 1: When you name the documentary the Last Dance. What I
Speaker 1: always thought about the Last Dance was about everybody. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just about Michael Jordan's. It was just about the
Speaker 1: fact that you knew the whole team wasn't coming back,
Speaker 1: and the documentary they made it like a Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: propaganda piece. The thing that sent me completely over the
Speaker 1: edge was when they talked about winning the nine two finals.
Speaker 1: People don't know. In their Game six, they came back
Speaker 1: from a sixteen point devisit in the fourth quarter. Mike
Speaker 1: was on the bench. I think it was Scotty and
Speaker 1: the bitch out there. They cut the lead to four
Speaker 1: and then put Mike back in the game. Then Mike
Speaker 1: did make the like go ahead lay up and ended
Speaker 1: up winning the game. All the show was Mike making
Speaker 1: going to go ahead lay up and then win in
Speaker 1: the championship like this, hainte how it happened. This ain't
Speaker 1: what happened. And there was so many other moments. I
Speaker 1: like even even um the game seven against Indiana, cool
Speaker 1: coach was bawling. Me hit nothing about cool coach bawling.
Speaker 1: All we see is Michael Jordan fade away out like
Speaker 1: not Scottie Pippen though, But Tony Cook coach is not
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. Broth contribute to He's not and again again second,
Speaker 1: because Tony Cook coach is a Hall of Famer, He's
Speaker 1: not a few. He's not a Hall of Film because
Speaker 1: of the NBA career. He's all fan because of what
Speaker 1: he did in europe basketball. He was if he did
Speaker 1: not come to the NBA and win championships with Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: he would not be in the Hall of Fame. Stop lying, Bro,
Speaker 1: But he's not Scottie Pippen. Bro. Why Scott Scott is
Speaker 1: that great of a player? Layer, Bro? He's that great
Speaker 1: of a players. They lost Michael Jordan's and lost one
Speaker 1: less game. The only he's top one for me personally.
Speaker 1: See so the way I judged basketball, We've done this
Speaker 1: on on Hoops and Bruce, So make sure y'all check
Speaker 1: out the Hoops and Brew podcast. The way I look
Speaker 1: at basketballs, it's the best five by floor positioners, right,
Speaker 1: that's the best five players in the NBA, the best
Speaker 1: five by floor positioning. There's not three small forwards who
Speaker 1: had a greater career than Scottie Pippen. It's not three
Speaker 1: because he was on the team with the greatest player
Speaker 1: to Michael had to play with him too. That's what
Speaker 1: was on a losing team. He was a loser completely.
Speaker 1: He was Bradley Bill. Oh and guess what happened. When
Speaker 1: you give Bradley Bill a decent team. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: call Kyle Kuzma Scottie Pippen, are you? If they win
Speaker 1: six rings. I just like the six rings. Just good
Speaker 1: looking good out there right now. Because the other game
Speaker 1: he had eighteen points of eight ten rebounds. I was like,
Speaker 1: who who's over there rebounding? By the way, I just
Speaker 1: want to say I told everybody that he was nothing
Speaker 1: to be sneezed on. Now, he might not necessarily be
Speaker 1: better than brandon ingram like I said, but when he's
Speaker 1: giving shots an opportunity, he's probably he's gonna have a
Speaker 1: greater career in brandon Ingramd. That's fair. He might. That's
Speaker 1: my whole point, but at the time, no, it was
Speaker 1: my point. It was my point. I was like, he
Speaker 1: playing with Bron, he don't get a ring, and if
Speaker 1: he get a ring, all he had to do is
Speaker 1: just be decent for the rest of his career. You
Speaker 1: gonna remember him. Like Kyle Kuzman is a name, Like
Speaker 1: he hasn't produced to be a name, but he a
Speaker 1: champion with Scottie Pippen is a champion, and Scottie Pippen
Speaker 1: is like, okay, right now, perfect example Cleveland being like,
Speaker 1: oh well, Kyle couse when you when your ring cousin
Speaker 1: Lebron James, He's like, well, y'all want y'all only ring
Speaker 1: Coussein Lebron James, Like, don't sit up here and tell
Speaker 1: me that I wasn't a participant. When I was a participant,
Speaker 1: I'm not the guy, but I'm not. But I was
Speaker 1: an equal participant, which I understand. And I feel Scotty
Speaker 1: on whoa, whoa, You just you just curb grapes. It's
Speaker 1: not because it's not give him his credit. No he doesn't,
Speaker 1: not really, No he doesn't. That's a horrible job at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he never really does horrible job at it. He's never
Speaker 1: even came out said I would never win a championship
Speaker 1: without Scotti Pippen. That's not true. That's not true. Tell
Speaker 1: me where he said it. He said it in the
Speaker 1: last dance. He said, I will not want a championship
Speaker 1: without Scotty. He literally said. People love to talk about
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's and what Michael Jordan did, but there would
Speaker 1: be no Michael Jordan. There would be no championships without
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. He said that he needs so if he
Speaker 1: said that he needs to make a documentary, he did
Speaker 1: so I can be wrong. He used to make us.
Speaker 1: He needs to make a documentary. Yeah, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. But but but if he's said teammate,
Speaker 1: I've ever had people love to talk about Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: but there would be no Michael. But there would be
Speaker 1: no Michael Jordan's championships without Scottie Pippen. He said that
Speaker 1: in the documentary at the end, After After After nine,
Speaker 1: I was at Jordan brace, but I'm Jordan's g There
Speaker 1: was three straight hours in which they only showed Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan gene. It was like part five to part seven
Speaker 1: was nobody showed up beside Michael Jordan's. Do you watch football?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, okay, what Scott Brady, Rob Bronkowski? No, look, no,
Speaker 1: no look listen but TP T P t B TP
Speaker 1: Tom get a lot of TB. But TV. I have
Speaker 1: an issue. Even like the last Super Bowl, everybody was like,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was so great, the defense you won that game.
Speaker 1: I like the gee they held Pat my owns the
Speaker 1: fucking six points. Why are we talking about Tom Brady?
Speaker 1: He wasn't that damn good. That's the whole other point.
Speaker 1: But what I want to focus on is how great
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen is. And I think it gets lost because
Speaker 1: the way we look at basketball. I've talked to your
Speaker 1: about this a lot, where scoring it's all scoring, who's
Speaker 1: scoring the most points? But Scottie Pippen as an offensive player,
Speaker 1: it's kind of the prototype for a point forward. The
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson was actually a point guard. Scottie Pippen is
Speaker 1: the point forward right where he could orgestrate your offense.
Speaker 1: He can make the quality passes and he can get
Speaker 1: you the bucket. Right. So he was a top three
Speaker 1: small forward offensively in the game. He was gonna make
Speaker 1: first team All NBA, second Team All NBA, a third
Speaker 1: team All NBA for ten years. But defensively he was
Speaker 1: the best small forward in the NBA by a mile.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's was able to play with the best small
Speaker 1: forward in the NBA through the nineties. Who the gets
Speaker 1: that opportunity, You're about the lie who gets the opportunity
Speaker 1: to play with the best shooting guard of all time
Speaker 1: for a whole decade, the best small forward. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he was the greatest shooting guard of all time before
Speaker 1: you became the best. He wasn't. He wasn't the greatest
Speaker 1: shooting guard before he was the best shooting guard. Wasn't
Speaker 1: the greatest shooting guard. No, No, Larry Bird called him
Speaker 1: a god. He became he was the greatest I saw marketing.
Speaker 1: That's all so after so after year three, he's a
Speaker 1: great shooting guard. Ever, Yeah, with the thirty four wins,
Speaker 1: they won thirty two games that year. Bro player to player,
Speaker 1: no comparison player. There's no such thing as the player.
Speaker 1: The players when they get their asked whoop and only
Speaker 1: one thirty three games, that's player the player. Know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is you're playing. You could pick any player.
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna say before him? I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm telling you there players before Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: That's an honest question. Is it Rick Barry? They're players
Speaker 1: who achieved more than Michael Jordan. Well, he's a small forward. Um,
Speaker 1: Jerry West probably would be that guy. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Jerry West. Jerry West always goes and get some ice
Speaker 1: cream before the Clippers game. Take all your dispect back
Speaker 1: about Jerry Westways didn't take all one of the one
Speaker 1: of the greatest minds in the history of basketball. So
Speaker 1: one of the kindest human beings out of man. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Jerry West. Man here, cool dude, He's Superman.
Speaker 1: So the point I'm saying is Michael Jordan was the
Speaker 1: best shooting guard in the NBA those three or four years.
Speaker 1: But he wasn't the greatest shooting guard. He didn't have
Speaker 1: the greatest career for a shooting guard, Scottie Pippen. He
Speaker 1: had the luxury of playing with the best small forward
Speaker 1: in the NBA for ten years. Roughly, Can I ask
Speaker 1: a question? Sure? Okay? Take away with Michael Jordan's championships
Speaker 1: and also removed Kobe Bryant because we know Kobe Bryant
Speaker 1: is a spawn of Michael Jordan's. Other than that, who
Speaker 1: was the greatest shooting guard of all times? Jerry West?
Speaker 1: If Michael Jordan's No, if Mike still scored thirty five
Speaker 1: thousand points, won all of them awards, m VPS Defensive
Speaker 1: West Ever, wont to ring. It's not Jerry West? Who what? WHOA?
Speaker 1: We would never name somebody, We would never name anybody
Speaker 1: like that. That's like saying John Stockton is the best.
Speaker 1: That's like saying car Malone is the best power forward.
Speaker 1: Nobody says Carl Yeah, but car Malone, not Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: Karl Malone then win if you take you literally just said,
Speaker 1: if you take away championships, pas come from winning seasons. Exactly.
Speaker 1: We gotta take a winning seasons if you become a
Speaker 1: winning seasons bro. Michael Jordan would even have a winning
Speaker 1: season without Scotti Pippen. Drip the championships away because y'all
Speaker 1: he not getting the same m vpvs without the record.
Speaker 1: You don't know that he don't get them. You don't
Speaker 1: know you're not getting MVP winning forty five games, brot
Speaker 1: five games. Mike didn't have a winning season before Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan would not have finished his entire career
Speaker 1: only winning forty five games. That's that's disrespectful. You know
Speaker 1: how tough to East was, Traysy McGrady, No, you know
Speaker 1: how tough the East was. Man was winning m VP
Speaker 1: and Defensive Player of the Year before they would get
Speaker 1: into the finals. No, stop that, this was like, this
Speaker 1: is the problem. Like we were sold Carled Malone. We
Speaker 1: saw far remove it was Carled Malone. He's like a
Speaker 1: mythical figure, so he's not so was Carl Malone. Carl
Speaker 1: Malone didn't win as much as Michael Jordan was the
Speaker 1: greatest loser before Michael Jordan's. Michael Jordan's was some of
Speaker 1: the most greatest accolades after Kareem ever. Honestly, care again
Speaker 1: based off of the fact that he played with Scotty,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have winning. They're not gonna give him five
Speaker 1: MVPs with losing seasons. And this is the problem with Scotty.
Speaker 1: He's let y'all inflate his head too much. No, I
Speaker 1: actually I actually watched it time. I actually watched it.
Speaker 1: I remember Michael Jordan, who we laughed at that couldn't
Speaker 1: win a game, so what so I was never impressed,
Speaker 1: So it was not it was nothing impressive. You weren't
Speaker 1: gonna stop him. Who cares? What you mean? Who cares?
Speaker 1: If you still all? If you can't, if you can't,
Speaker 1: if you can't score a hundred and two and the
Speaker 1: other teams score a hundred, who cares? But this is
Speaker 1: my question though, because I feel like your arguments look
Speaker 1: they change on basketball because you'll be the same one
Speaker 1: to be like, oh this I made more defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the years and and he got more All NBA
Speaker 1: selections between All NBA and All Defense um as this
Speaker 1: other guy, Michael was getting all NBA and all defense
Speaker 1: selections before Scottie Pippens. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: dis players Scotty is like to Draymond because honestly, I
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's Steph Katie than Draymond. But if
Speaker 1: you remove Katie from their dynasty because he was there
Speaker 1: for a smaller period of time, it's really Steph Curry
Speaker 1: than Draymond in terms of who people will really remember
Speaker 1: from the Warriors. And then Clay is kind of like
Speaker 1: a I don't think they will remember Draymond more than
Speaker 1: I remember Clay. I think offense is memorable. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: even then, you don't hear Clay complaining about Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: What do you It's because Clay is not Scott Are
Speaker 1: you crazy? I disagree with that? Even lost your damn mind.
Speaker 1: So you just literally just went down a list of
Speaker 1: why Michael Jordan's was the best shooting guard right because
Speaker 1: of his NBA. That's not even the third best small
Speaker 1: forward of a time, of course he is. He's just
Speaker 1: he's the third greatest. Is not better than How was
Speaker 1: he not? How is it? How is he not better
Speaker 1: than Neil Jim? What do you mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know he has six ships playing with the greatest
Speaker 1: player Mike never had one before him. To be fair,
Speaker 1: better play with j West and couldn't get six and
Speaker 1: they won when he retired. Who had a greater career,
Speaker 1: Larry Bird? You guess? And I love Katie with all
Speaker 1: my heart and soul. No, no, no, he hasn't had
Speaker 1: a greater career than Scottie Pippen. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I agree with that, but I understand why you're saying
Speaker 1: Katie has not had a greater career than Scotti Pippen.
Speaker 1: But I understand why you saying what you're saying. Listen,
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen made ten nine to ten all Defensive first Teams,
Speaker 1: seven to nine all NBA T He's probably the greatest
Speaker 1: small forward defender not named Kawai Leonard. He literally is
Speaker 1: a six time champion better than him, Kawhi Leonard. I
Speaker 1: forget he's not. He hasn't he hasn't had a greater career.
Speaker 1: No he hasn't. He asked, Yes he hasn't. He's championships,
Speaker 1: shut two Defensive Players of the Year, two finals MVPs.
Speaker 1: Scotti Pepper has ever won the finals VPTO. He has
Speaker 1: six championships. Gee, he's never been the most valuable player
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Speaker 1: this is the best day to ever. Guess what. That's
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Speaker 1: your last episode credit. You're talking to Peter about credit,
Speaker 1: and y'all said that the single y'all feel like the
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Speaker 1: believe alluded to it like he feels like agreed and
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Speaker 1: I didn't take an women out for less than a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars three times. And you never had a coupon
Speaker 1: and I never had a coupon. You can take a
Speaker 1: woman out for thirteen dollars, but if you've got a coupon,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a different conversation. You gotta see that.
Speaker 1: Though you know the type of nigga you gotta be
Speaker 1: to take a woman out with a coupon. You gotta
Speaker 1: be like a cold type of nigga to take a
Speaker 1: woman out with a coupon. Yeah, I'll be a different nigger.
Speaker 1: But that's what Scottie Pippen is. He's taking a woman
Speaker 1: out with a coupon. Maestros, Michael Jordan couldn't tested your
Speaker 1: winning season and Michael Ship Michael he might look might
Speaker 1: not have been taking me to Ruth Chris, but he
Speaker 1: was taking me the game. I was taking you to
Speaker 1: McDonald's and buy you a bunch of Big Max and
Speaker 1: you happy about it. Scott taking us the seven. Scotty
Speaker 1: took you to the big Show. Scotty took you to
Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs without know Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 1: He gave your winning season without know Michael Jordan, I
Speaker 1: thank you really ungrateful. See that's the thing when you
Speaker 1: deal with Jordan fans like they have a revisionist level
Speaker 1: of history where they just remember him hit in the
Speaker 1: last shot. And again this is still Michael Jordan is
Speaker 1: the greatest shooting guard ever, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: no questions, um the best before he even won a championship.
Speaker 1: But again, the reason we talk about him is because
Speaker 1: he wons six championships and multiple vps. He wins not
Speaker 1: five of those m vps and probably no championships without
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. It has been so hard, it's been really tough.
Speaker 1: And again, again and again, Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen
Speaker 1: is not a winning season. Scottie Pippen without Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: is a winning season. That's just a fact they won
Speaker 1: one less game. But you have to stop because by
Speaker 1: that point in time they had built a championship caliber team.
Speaker 1: You also have to look at the championship caliber team.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, question, did you know Michael Jordan Wants
Speaker 1: played with George Gerber? Yes, yeah, okay, then he was
Speaker 1: on his last ligers, running out the limping around and
Speaker 1: they went to the playoffs that year. So don't talk
Speaker 1: to me in the thirty win it doesn't matter. You
Speaker 1: can mean it doesn't matter. Now you can make the
Speaker 1: playoffs and not be five hundred today. What you can
Speaker 1: do it back then, he Michael Jordan had the worst
Speaker 1: team in the Eastern eighties exactly. No. No, he because
Speaker 1: he was because he was Gland, was better than everybody
Speaker 1: he played with in the eighties other than Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 1: Not because because he was fucked up. He was sucked up.
Speaker 1: He's that's not true. By the way. The thing about
Speaker 1: Mike is, Mike is great at he's a great scoring guard,
Speaker 1: he's one of the he's the greatest defender at all
Speaker 1: of that. But that sometimes ain't what it takes to win.
Speaker 1: You might not be able to just score the ball
Speaker 1: and defend and win. You may have to get better
Speaker 1: out of your team. That's an important thing that you
Speaker 1: don't really give credence to. You're just not gonna get that.
Speaker 1: Creatus Michael Jordan creatings to the fact that they also
Speaker 1: had a different coach Doug Collins was coaching versus Phil Jackson.
Speaker 1: Do you where does Field rank in terms of your
Speaker 1: greatest coaches of all time? Probably number one. We're gonna
Speaker 1: saying Red are back. I'm not I'm gonna say I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fine of whoever want to say Red. But
Speaker 1: the winning season without Doug though, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they had win the season before Field,
Speaker 1: but also there, you mean they had winning seasons with
Speaker 1: Mike and Scottie Scotti kid, Yeah, yeah, both of them.
Speaker 1: Scotty is like that though. That's like if Zion and
Speaker 1: Repelicans get successful in three years and like and and
Speaker 1: Nickle Alexander Walkers come on and started like playing real
Speaker 1: well and they win a championship and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: well he'd been there since. It starts like yeah, but
Speaker 1: like Zion had to round in the forum like yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's eight but Michael Jordan was rounded.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was rounded into forms. Listen, this is the
Speaker 1: the oldest argument of scores versus playmakers, Guys who can
Speaker 1: make everybody on the court better and guys who just
Speaker 1: do what they do. Like we like, we watched cream
Speaker 1: I du Jar in the seventies struggle at times to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, sometimes not make the playoffs because he
Speaker 1: was a great score and he could defend, but he
Speaker 1: couldn't make everybody on the court better. So he if
Speaker 1: he didn't have the personnel right, that was pretty great.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be tough. That's the difference with Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen and Michael Jordan's. To be one honest, actually have
Speaker 1: to be one hundred and seven. Team were saying, honest,
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen impacted winning more than Michael Jordan's. Scottie Pippen
Speaker 1: in the first championship that everybody keeps trying to revisit
Speaker 1: the history of Scotti Pippen Garden Michael Jordan's No, no,
Speaker 1: because I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying he's a
Speaker 1: greater player than Michael Jordan's. I'm telling you he impacted
Speaker 1: winning more. I get it that the last shot was
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, because that's all you saw. Like we were
Speaker 1: just talking about earlier when we first started, where it
Speaker 1: was like you just remember the last shot. You don't
Speaker 1: remember the thing Scotty did to make sure that team
Speaker 1: could win. Now, I'm not saying Michael Jordan and do
Speaker 1: but Michael Jordan could do what you do on a
Speaker 1: losing team and win the team in either way, it
Speaker 1: didn't matter if Scotti Pippen had a good game, the
Speaker 1: Bulls would win. If Michael Jordan had a good game,
Speaker 1: you still probably have a losing season. Michael Jordan average
Speaker 1: as a fucking rookie and he was getting whipped on
Speaker 1: every other day every day. But you're not taking it
Speaker 1: consider the fact of the other players that were on
Speaker 1: the team of my Now he is you know, no,
Speaker 1: he is. Listen, what he's saying is terrible. What he's
Speaker 1: when he's look, look look what he's what he's saying
Speaker 1: is this is not me agreeing or disagreeing, But what
Speaker 1: he's saying is that the fact that pivot is a playmaker,
Speaker 1: that those other people get involved in their number look better.
Speaker 1: Jordan's can defend his ass off. Yeah, it's like Jordan's
Speaker 1: he might get sixty points, but that's sixty points from
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's if he just gonna score sixty and everybody
Speaker 1: else score, play defense, and all I got to do
Speaker 1: with score between all of us eight five and we win.
Speaker 1: So it's like if you just go all the in points,
Speaker 1: but it's just you. I mean, I mean, look, you
Speaker 1: could even go to look at Jordan with the Wizards
Speaker 1: and Scotty with Portland. Scotty with Portland not granted they
Speaker 1: didn't not granted that they didn't, and look and look,
Speaker 1: Scotty didn't have the best numbers on the on the team.
Speaker 1: But if you go back and defense on that team,
Speaker 1: Scotty was the best player on the team, and he's
Speaker 1: in the player on the team. It's just say he
Speaker 1: wasn't the best scorer on the team, but he was
Speaker 1: the best player. Was a two way thing. She might
Speaker 1: have She might have got you more buckets, David Sam
Speaker 1: might have got you more buckets that time, but Scott
Speaker 1: nobody and nobody was really going crazy scoring on that team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like eight team was the most points, Like Scotty probably
Speaker 1: has four teen. Eight team is probably the most points
Speaker 1: and If you look at the Wizards when Mike came back,
Speaker 1: they couldn't make the playoffs. Traditional and Mike style Mike
Speaker 1: gaverage twenty six can't go nowhere. Michael Jordan became Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan again with the Wizards. So what was Scottie Pippen
Speaker 1: have done with that was his team? He would have
Speaker 1: took him front Listen, would have made a playoffs. You.
Speaker 1: This is the truth. The truth is this is this
Speaker 1: is the same conversation of score versus playmaker. Right, And
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's a tough because he's also a defender. He's
Speaker 1: not just a score. He could defend his ass off.
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen was going to get more people involved and
Speaker 1: still played the highest level of defense. That's why the
Speaker 1: Bulls were successful at the highest levels with Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: they weren't Michael Jordan just get his numbers. He was
Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony. That might be a push, but he was
Speaker 1: pretty close. I'm so glad you not on our show,
Speaker 1: because I would be because if you because I'm glad
Speaker 1: that I'm on your show and I listened to your show,
Speaker 1: I actually listened to your show, it might have been
Speaker 1: a bit harsh. That might have been. That might have
Speaker 1: been a bit harsh. It might have been that I
Speaker 1: want you to stop because I'm trying to hold my composer,
Speaker 1: because that might have been a bit hard. So I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna that might have been a bit harsh. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean why would you say that, Well, this is
Speaker 1: because Jordan's because Jordan's on the Wizards is the same.
Speaker 1: It's points. Jordan's on the Bulls is points. Neither one
Speaker 1: of them, both of them have losing seasons. He probably
Speaker 1: won the same amount of game on the Wizards. How
Speaker 1: many guys did he win as a Wizard. You need
Speaker 1: to be stopped. I don't know who's gonna stop. Let's
Speaker 1: just let's focus on Let's just focus on facts. How
Speaker 1: many games did Michael Jordan win on the Wizards. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at right now. Like again, I think Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: is the greatest scoring guard ever. But let's stop acting
Speaker 1: like um, the first year they were thirty seven and
Speaker 1: forty five. That's sound like Michael Jordan record on the
Speaker 1: Bulls without Scotti. That's Michael Jordan without Pippen. He was
Speaker 1: the same Jordan. Yeah, both years sound like Jordan, And
Speaker 1: tell me what Pippen was doing both of them years
Speaker 1: with his average Western Conference finals. Yeah, with Damon Studamyer,
Speaker 1: Rashi Wallace and a good in a good Portland Trail Blazzer.
Speaker 1: Stop talking like raschi Wi Wallace was some kind of ship.
Speaker 1: She was hard back then. Mighty wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait. Didn't that team have Clifford props on the
Speaker 1: two off the bench cliff Robinson and really he was
Speaker 1: coming off the bench, I believe one on that team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the That was the like the past some
Speaker 1: decent years. As a stretched shooter, he was thinking about
Speaker 1: those Blazers teams. You think about those Blazers seams as
Speaker 1: those were loky to jail Blazers, like when Pepper was
Speaker 1: there the first year, they were looking at the ross
Speaker 1: and make sure Pitt was there. The first years when
Speaker 1: they lost to uh shocking them, they were fifty three
Speaker 1: and they were twenty three. Next year they were fifty
Speaker 1: and thirty two. They lost in the first round to
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Next year they were forty thirty three, lost
Speaker 1: in the first round to the Lakers. The next year
Speaker 1: which is oh two oh three, Jordan the league fifty
Speaker 1: and thirty two, and then the next year, everyone leaves.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, Jordan there anymore, and they so
Speaker 1: Jordan has never had a winning season without Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 1: and Scottie Pippen has always had a winning season without
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's. This is really where you're going with this?
Speaker 1: I mean, is it the truth? Like? Like you serious,
Speaker 1: I'm going into the light. I'm going I'm going into
Speaker 1: the light. It is the truth. I respect you enough
Speaker 1: not to call you a troll because I'm asking you
Speaker 1: what I'm asking these things because is it text from you?
Speaker 1: Just help me and understand it's not the truth. Did
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan ever have a winning season without Scott? Now? Now, now,
Speaker 1: I gotta get on my phone. Just slow, just slow,
Speaker 1: just slow that path. You never had a winning see
Speaker 1: you without drafted? Oh? Let me finish. Did Scottie Pippen
Speaker 1: have scott winning season and making the playoffs matter to you?
Speaker 1: Winning season? When it? When I think at the eighties,
Speaker 1: I think it was, yeah, probably not not, Probably probably
Speaker 1: not because because because year he got drafted. I think
Speaker 1: that's when. Uh, I wonder why I wonder why I
Speaker 1: wonder things that make you go hum, I wish I
Speaker 1: could play that song right now. Things that make you
Speaker 1: go home? So the first year Scotti comes in the league,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan wins the m VP and defensive things that
Speaker 1: make you go home? Not to be fairly. Secondly, he
Speaker 1: was hurt, but he was h to be fair, things
Speaker 1: gonna make you go? No, wait a minute, but you
Speaker 1: also discount the fact that he did break his foot.
Speaker 1: Things that make you go? What do you mean to
Speaker 1: make you go? He broke his foot. How many MVPs
Speaker 1: did he win without Scottie Pippen? Bro he played two
Speaker 1: seasons before Scottie Pippen came into the league. How many
Speaker 1: vps ad he win? Okay, so listen, so let me
Speaker 1: get this track because you're not using context to make
Speaker 1: your argument. And that's what I'm saying. Okay, okay. How
Speaker 1: many how many winning seasons? How many? How many? How
Speaker 1: many winning seasons did he have without? How many winning
Speaker 1: seasons did he have in the literally came into the league?
Speaker 1: He lost? He was he was twenty one. The next
Speaker 1: year he broke his foot, he played eighteen games. I mean,
Speaker 1: what was his first year when he was twenty one?
Speaker 1: How many games did they win when he was twenty one.
Speaker 1: Hold on, maybe I gotta look. Sorry, I'm looking on
Speaker 1: my phone. He was won thirty eight games. Um, there
Speaker 1: they were thirty and forty four. What do you move about?
Speaker 1: It's another rookie that it was a rookie that came
Speaker 1: a few years earlier and they made the playoffs at
Speaker 1: thirty eight and four. That the East was trash and
Speaker 1: the next year they in the next year made the playoffs.
Speaker 1: How many games they win the next year start think
Speaker 1: we'll start two the next year? How many they how
Speaker 1: many games they win that? How many games do they win?
Speaker 1: They made the playoffs every year with Scotti Pippen one there,
Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear that. How many games
Speaker 1: did they win? How many games do they haven't? Winning season?
Speaker 1: They were never above five hundred, but they made the playoffs? Scotti,
Speaker 1: has Scottie Pipper ever been below five hundred without Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's m You have to use some context though, bro,
Speaker 1: But okay, okay, you're talking about championship level team. Scott
Speaker 1: Pippen was not the best player wards. The Wizards had
Speaker 1: Richard Hamilton's Kwamie Brown, Hubert Davis, Brendan Haywood, Popeye Jones,
Speaker 1: Christian later, Tyrone Lou one of the worst teams of
Speaker 1: all time? Is that? Is that the right from Michael Jordan?
Speaker 1: All the what what? What? What? On that team? Brown Brown?
Speaker 1: One thing I will say here, here we go. Jerry
Speaker 1: Stackhouse before we got traded and let legal score. I
Speaker 1: think he came to the Wizards and dropped off to
Speaker 1: whatever the hell it was because Michael was taking the
Speaker 1: shot that Scott Look, this is not me, this is
Speaker 1: not me saying so the following year, So the following year,
Speaker 1: for the following year had Kwamie Brown, Brendan Haywood, Larry Hughes,
Speaker 1: Jared Jeffries, Christian Later, Tyron Loup, Charles Oakley, Byron Russell,
Speaker 1: Jerry Stackhouse. No, look up, Jerry Stackhouse numbers before he
Speaker 1: went to the Wizards, and he and that team was
Speaker 1: below four hundreds, and that team was below five hundred.
Speaker 1: That's that's That's why I don't I'm wonder Scottie Pipper
Speaker 1: impact winning more than Michael Jordan's true? Is he a
Speaker 1: granted winner in Michael Jordan? Does he impact winning more? Yes? So,
Speaker 1: Michael and a Blazer's team, they wouldn't have been winners, No,
Speaker 1: they would have won forty two games. They would have
Speaker 1: won forty games up. That's too many shots going shoot
Speaker 1: too much. You don't know what else to do. The
Speaker 1: shots going up? Bro, you got damas sodomy, She Bozzy
Speaker 1: Wills Jorge first of all, Jordan would have fought them
Speaker 1: number one. Yeah, they would have succumbed to his will
Speaker 1: and they would played better. Now. She Wallace wouldn't She
Speaker 1: Wallace would have slappy dog. You would not have would
Speaker 1: have happened? You know what happened? You know how in
Speaker 1: that commercial that they had when they're like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: like like blurd the background out and it's and it's
Speaker 1: Kobe dribbling involved versus Scotty and he's crossed. Scotty ass
Speaker 1: up and Scotty completely go out the frame and he
Speaker 1: throwed a lot off the shock Mike ripping Kobe and
Speaker 1: they're going down and the blaze is going to the fund.
Speaker 1: Scott on the table. Who would have never? You would
Speaker 1: have never, You would have never got to the conference front.
Speaker 1: How Michael, You're never got to the conference finals without Scotti.
Speaker 1: Pippen never Toby dropped fifty on Mike and a half. Yes,
Speaker 1: he did it. Happened. I know you don't think Ward.
Speaker 1: I know you don't think weichers. Mike would have been
Speaker 1: able to do something with Kobe, Hm Wizard. Mike couldn't
Speaker 1: do nothing Ai. That would have been fine, And they
Speaker 1: couldn't do nothing with Mike. That with that, with that
Speaker 1: blistering two a game, what do you mean that blistering?
Speaker 1: That just that sun score? Hold up that sun score
Speaker 1: that scuns that sun scorching. Listen, listen, we're all about
Speaker 1: jealousy and y'all just don't want to come some time.
Speaker 1: It's it's time to give credit. It's time to give
Speaker 1: credit to Scottie Pippen because he's earned it. He get
Speaker 1: his credit. Do you treat him like he's help? He
Speaker 1: was helped. He's not that C, C and C. And
Speaker 1: that's the problem. He's not Magic Mad, He's not Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen was mask and team is not as important
Speaker 1: as how do you what? How? What do you know?
Speaker 1: Because Magic was you think the best player on the
Speaker 1: team once he was on that team, That's not he
Speaker 1: was never the best. That's that's not true. Bro. Magic
Speaker 1: was the best player on that team once a second.
Speaker 1: He got drafted. That's not true. Kareem one VP that year.
Speaker 1: He didn't come in with the hype. Yeah, who came
Speaker 1: in and wanted to come in with the hype? No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the hype as in being better than Kareem.
Speaker 1: He didn't come in with the hype. He was better
Speaker 1: than Kareem, not the first year the Korean the moment
Speaker 1: he came first. This is a lie. Kareem was an
Speaker 1: m VP that year. The NBA literally thought the finals
Speaker 1: was over because the man's brain, his ankle and my
Speaker 1: nigga showed up and showed you what he was and
Speaker 1: we couldn't say the best player on the team. No, no,
Speaker 1: he couldn't know. And and he didn't make an excuse
Speaker 1: that he didn't have help who magic? Yeah, you took
Speaker 1: the finals? What you mean he took whatever he had.
Speaker 1: He took whatever he had and get you a fifty
Speaker 1: piece was out there going bad? Are you talking to
Speaker 1: me about? Come on, man? Oh wait, I want to
Speaker 1: I want I want to talk about Scotty in general
Speaker 1: with his back thing like you were half dead with
Speaker 1: your back. Of course, PP Scotty Pipper had the best
Speaker 1: plus minus on the team in that game. He was
Speaker 1: a plus twelve. Granted he did not score that many points,
Speaker 1: but even if you look at that game, it was
Speaker 1: why he wants it out here. He still played solid defense,
Speaker 1: He brought the ball up court, and he was a
Speaker 1: reason why Michael Jordan could go out there and drop
Speaker 1: four or four points. Can you imagine because also also
Speaker 1: on the rated part, Harp had a bad knee in
Speaker 1: that game. Can you imagine if Jordan has to bring
Speaker 1: the ball up court every single play, play defense on
Speaker 1: whoever and go score for four to four points, that's
Speaker 1: a lot. At least Scottie is there to walk the
Speaker 1: ball up court defend Mike up you already we have
Speaker 1: a many times about how Mike said he used to
Speaker 1: get rest in games like all right, you know what
Speaker 1: today up, yeah, let me let me go. If you
Speaker 1: look at that, a lot of them shots was post ups.
Speaker 1: A lot. I'm just saying he had the best plus
Speaker 1: minds on the game. But this goes back to everything.
Speaker 1: Ain't jest Scotty. You need to send Pavvy a case
Speaker 1: of your bourbon and send Glasses one of your books
Speaker 1: that signed, because no, because we're being honest, because we're
Speaker 1: not drinking we're not drinking the Michael Jordan cool later.
Speaker 1: It's not about not it's not about being dishonest. It
Speaker 1: is you're being disingenuine. If you call Scottie Pippen the Hill,
Speaker 1: he gets his credit. You just you just referenced him.
Speaker 1: You referenced him as Jeffrey. He made that help Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's and the Chicago Bulls winning. He is the team.
Speaker 1: He was never the best player on the team when
Speaker 1: he played with Michael Jordan's. What does that mean out
Speaker 1: He's he's arguably I believe he's the second greatest second
Speaker 1: option of all time after Kobe Bryant is shot because
Speaker 1: I mean after Kareem abdulbar No, no, I disagree, because
Speaker 1: I think Kareem would Kareem and Magic that was, like
Speaker 1: I said once Magic after to me, like even with
Speaker 1: that means Kareem would be the second option Kareem was
Speaker 1: at the end of his career. Kareem is like what
Speaker 1: eight is to Lebron right now, Lebron number two eight
Speaker 1: is the best player on the team. He's been the
Speaker 1: best play on the team. The same thing with Magic.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But but that, but that only
Speaker 1: you was not in my top two. I'm sorry, give
Speaker 1: me my Kobe and Shack. But but again this is important, right,
Speaker 1: and this is really important to focus on the facts. Right.
Speaker 1: The facts is, Michael Jordan doesn't have a winning season
Speaker 1: without Scottie Pippen. The fact that Scottie Pippen never has
Speaker 1: not had a winning season without Michael Jordan's. And the
Speaker 1: facts are Michael Jordan made the made the postseason three
Speaker 1: seasons without Scottie Pippen, including a year in which he
Speaker 1: broke his foot and they were trying to tank to
Speaker 1: get a high draft pick, and they still made the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan at that same point in time was still
Speaker 1: all NBA and that just tells you how bad he
Speaker 1: was called god by the guy who was technically the
Speaker 1: best player in the league at that point. What doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, And I don't know why, and I
Speaker 1: don't know why, and I don't know why he was
Speaker 1: the best player in the NBA. That was a whole
Speaker 1: another story, but we're not gonna get to that. In
Speaker 1: the NBA, Magic Johnson was already better by that point.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I know nobody was getting credit,
Speaker 1: but it's all good Magic was the best player of
Speaker 1: the eighties period down so so but me saying, but
Speaker 1: me saying, when he came in he was instantly better
Speaker 1: than Kareem his blasphems, I'm gonna watch that because Kareem
Speaker 1: was that niggd when he first came in. For sure,
Speaker 1: Kreem was getting buckers now good, he got hurt and
Speaker 1: Jordan's magic went out there and closed the door and
Speaker 1: all that. But the door was able to be closed
Speaker 1: as well. The point I'm saying is this, Scottie Pippen
Speaker 1: impacts winning more than Michael Jordan's. It doesn't make him
Speaker 1: a greater player. It's not a greater player than Michael Jordan's, right,
Speaker 1: But the reality is he impacts winning greater. But you
Speaker 1: say that, and then you but but you add a
Speaker 1: butt after when you say that Michael Jordan's greatness is
Speaker 1: conditioned up on Scottie Pippen. No, I'm telling you it
Speaker 1: was great Michael Jordan winner without Scottie Pippen. And I'm
Speaker 1: totally so named it so named the greatest loser probably
Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady, el Jim Baylor, Alan Iverson alone is there,
Speaker 1: so he'd be calm alone, he'd be a better version
Speaker 1: of carm alone. But you and the pantheon of great players,
Speaker 1: Carl Malone is still not the best at his position.
Speaker 1: If he has been no player that has come along
Speaker 1: since Michael Jordan's or before Michael Jordan. That if Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan accumulated the same statistics and the same m vps
Speaker 1: and all that ship because mv p's only count because
Speaker 1: Scotty piparts those are regular. How many MVPs did he
Speaker 1: win without Scottie Pippen? You can't say that he was
Speaker 1: in scott Pippen was drafted, of course, you mean he
Speaker 1: did he win? Did he win? Did he win the envy?
Speaker 1: Did he did he win? That's not the same, It
Speaker 1: is the same. Clay Thompson is not Scotti Pipper. He
Speaker 1: was not the Clay Thompson does not have the accomplishments.
Speaker 1: Scotti is disrespectful. Scotti Pippen accomplished this on his own
Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan's by his side, And Michael Jordan's only
Speaker 1: won m vps with Scotty by his side. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: win one. But you, but you can't acknowledge that Michael
Speaker 1: was that Michael Jordan was was probably, if not the
Speaker 1: best player, one of the best players in the league.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean you win MVP. NVP is a
Speaker 1: record bas award, but I disagree with that. It's not
Speaker 1: award because Russell Westbrook win the m v P when
Speaker 1: he was the sixth seed. They won his third year
Speaker 1: stops third years. He would not have had a winning season.
Speaker 1: But TV, but TV, but TV, but TP, TV, but TV,
Speaker 1: but TV. He won one and Russ put up damn
Speaker 1: made same numbers after that he won one a VP. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mike would have got a VP because Mike is incredible.
Speaker 1: He would have put up incredible numbers and somehow would
Speaker 1: have got envy. But that would have not getting six.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's not no, no, look no, literally, so he
Speaker 1: wouldn't make He'd be calling alone. He'd be calling called
Speaker 1: Malonel alone, Parme alone. He'd be carm alone. If you
Speaker 1: give karm alone two rings, you understand he's the greatest
Speaker 1: part for the all. If you give Karl malone Scotti
Speaker 1: than Tim Duncan, you're lying a numbers across the board
Speaker 1: and he's not great. He has better numbers. The only
Speaker 1: separation is winning. He has greater numbers. Across the board
Speaker 1: until I'm dunker. But I would argue that Tim duccan
Speaker 1: had better teams than Karl Malone. He didn't. I disagree
Speaker 1: with that, didn't I disagree with that. John Stockton, John
Speaker 1: Stockton without championships is better than Tony Parker. Yeah he is.
Speaker 1: It's not, no, but it goes through. I'm talking. Stop talking.
Speaker 1: Manu was not the reason they I don't know why
Speaker 1: do y'all keep doing this. I get it that y'all
Speaker 1: liked him. I get y'all like the euro Step, but
Speaker 1: Manu Jobli is not. Y'all talk about him like he's
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen though no, nobody said that Scottie Pippen. If you,
Speaker 1: if you mentioned Tony Parker in the context of being
Speaker 1: the second option, so under the same no, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't mention Tony Parker. Listen again,
Speaker 1: those are offensive questions. I don't judge basketball and that
Speaker 1: kind of intellectual second best player on the first teams, Listen,
Speaker 1: the best defensiony you're talking about? Yeah, and you David
Speaker 1: Robinson at first, David Robinson Parker. You can take away
Speaker 1: the ring with Robinson. Take away the Ring with David Robinson,
Speaker 1: Tim dunk, your career is still great a car a loans? No, okay, no,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have if they neither one have rings,
Speaker 1: people say Carl Malone and had a greater career because
Speaker 1: it's cool. One thousand points. Yep, they give him. That's true,
Speaker 1: It's true, true the Michael same argument argument any better
Speaker 1: than Michael Jordan. We would never ever say Carl Malone
Speaker 1: was the greatest power forward, no matter what he accomplished,
Speaker 1: because he did. Tim Dunnan, the guy who won the
Speaker 1: championship after him, Dennis Robin for me, No, yes, metrics.
Speaker 1: Anybody you're saying Metrics did Robin should be not yet.
Speaker 1: And also, this is the other thing. This is the
Speaker 1: other thing. This is the other thing. Dennis Robin play
Speaker 1: with Scotti Pippen and Michael Jordan's So why is it
Speaker 1: that you all automatically heap all of this credit onto
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen for being the second option? We did this.
Speaker 1: Robin was there for the second three peat. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I know this I have I don't know
Speaker 1: if he knows why, I don't know if you I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this hired Scottie Pippen. So
Speaker 1: why are you making an argument to me about Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen being undappreciated, but you have Dennis Robin hired the
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen because you're talking about three NBA players ever.
Speaker 1: But look, this funks more with your Jordan braids. Though
Speaker 1: now he's really saying like, it doesn't. No, it doesn't, No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't, it does, it does, it doesn't because every
Speaker 1: guard that wins multiple championships in the NBA usually has
Speaker 1: a great power forward or a center behind them. A
Speaker 1: lot of me, including step and Curry, Draymond Green has
Speaker 1: been right there behind him. People don't enough. But that's
Speaker 1: not my point point. But my point is it's like
Speaker 1: Clay coming back and be like, why ain't get enough
Speaker 1: credit for doing that? For not say that? And Robbie
Speaker 1: can say that about Scottie Pippen. He has said that,
Speaker 1: He has said that, a matter of fact, Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: says specifically, we don't. First off, they got bounced without Rodman,
Speaker 1: got bounced by Shack without robbing. They go today to
Speaker 1: their worst enemy. This is how cold Jordan is. Scotty
Speaker 1: doesn't even want then it's robbing. He's like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: hate this dude, Mike like funk that I got to win.
Speaker 1: That shows you Mike has hell been on winning. Oh
Speaker 1: but he but but without Scottie Pippen, he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been a winner. He would have still been trying to
Speaker 1: go get the best players in the league to come
Speaker 1: and play with him. Like it's disrespectful to Mike for
Speaker 1: y'all said, trying to act like Scottie Pippen is Like,
Speaker 1: we're not in a situation where it's like Casey and Joejoe.
Speaker 1: It's not Casey and Joejoe. Mike is Michael Jackson. Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen is whoever the second Jackson brother that was in line. No, no,
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson is Clipsy Joes. No, no, no, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: then okay, I got you. He's at it. No, he's
Speaker 1: Rod Temperature. You don't even know Rod Temper. He wrote
Speaker 1: he wrote thriller, and he wrote a bunch of songs
Speaker 1: on through Paul Michael Paul, whoa, whoa, wait what Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson didn't write thriller? No he no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 1: He actually no, this is the thing Mike. Mike would
Speaker 1: come in with voice notes that's not true. To go
Speaker 1: listen to the Thriller Deluxe album. I don't know how
Speaker 1: I actually I actually, I actually know exactly that this
Speaker 1: this right up my alley, right of mine. But that's
Speaker 1: the thing. But no, no, no, no, no no, let
Speaker 1: me get this point. Let me he did. He didn't
Speaker 1: write Jackson again. Michael Jackson ain't ship without Rod Temperature,
Speaker 1: and Rod Temperature ain't ship without Michael Jackson except he
Speaker 1: had the heat. Except except except, except, except, exactly except
Speaker 1: except Rod Temperton had already wrote hits. Michael Jackson didn't
Speaker 1: have hits before hits with the Jackson five, or he
Speaker 1: had knocked off Marvin Gay hits. We start Marvin Gayson.
Speaker 1: He doesn't hit Marvin Gay and the rest of them
Speaker 1: people at Motown saying everybody else song until it was
Speaker 1: a hit. I'm not, I'm not. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1: Rob Temperton is responsible for the Michael Jackson we see,
Speaker 1: the one that we praise. Let me let me finish,
Speaker 1: let me let me finish, let me finish. He's responsible
Speaker 1: for the way we view Michael Jackson like right now.
Speaker 1: The reason we see Michael Jordan. The way we see
Speaker 1: him it is because of Scottie Pippen. Without him, he's
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson to the Jackson five. He's a dope thing.
Speaker 1: We love him, the death coolest kid in the world.
Speaker 1: He did that bullshit ass movie that everybody overpraised like
Speaker 1: it was really great. It wasn't. But in reality he
Speaker 1: have been Space One great. No, no, not not. Jordan's
Speaker 1: Place definitely wasn't great. But come on, Michael Jackson did
Speaker 1: that movie as well. Michael Jackson did The Wirds. He
Speaker 1: got them Wirds to Michael Nigger, same nigger. Nick Rod
Speaker 1: Temverton only wrote the song Thriller, Baby d Mine and
Speaker 1: the Lady in My Life he wrote up Listen Listen,
Speaker 1: though Michael Jackson is Thriller off the Wall, Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: is Thriller Michael Jackson bro No, no, Michael Jackson moonwalk Michael,
Speaker 1: that's stolen. That's stolen. It's not it's not him. Thriller
Speaker 1: is him? Oh my god, No, it's my Listen. Thriller
Speaker 1: is Michael Jackson's most famous song. I've had this argument
Speaker 1: with this van media tall before. I've had this argument.
Speaker 1: This is his most famous song. That's his probably worst song,
Speaker 1: but it's his most famous song. Though. But but but again, again, again,
Speaker 1: again again again called ship pop listen, soul listen all
Speaker 1: the other ship Like, what made thriller so soulful? You
Speaker 1: have to you have to ask the made thriller? So
Speaker 1: it's it's not, but it's it's more than hot corn bullshit,
Speaker 1: if it was, it's more. It's more than sold right,
Speaker 1: it's more than soul like, And I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: that a soul of Michael Jackson because not the it's
Speaker 1: not the salt, it's the combinations thing would have made
Speaker 1: thriller In the eighties, people would have called that ship corny,
Speaker 1: the same way you call this ship a little and
Speaker 1: it's still and it's still would have went platinum. But
Speaker 1: that but that's not the soul. But that's not the
Speaker 1: let's focus on. Let's let's focus on the point. The
Speaker 1: point is very much Michael Jackson's calling card. It's thriller.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's calling card is six and No. Without Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 1: without Rod Temperton, the way we view the mics, we
Speaker 1: would not view them. It's a fact. That's a fact.
Speaker 1: If if if Jordan's Michael Jackson, then Scottie Pippen is
Speaker 1: Rod Temperton and Phil Jackson is Quincy Jones. Without those components,
Speaker 1: without Rod Temperton riding Thriller, Michael Jackson's greatest in signature song,
Speaker 1: we would not see a matter of fact, you don't
Speaker 1: have an album that sells forty million, you don't have
Speaker 1: the title of the album. You don't have the single
Speaker 1: that became the greatest, possibly the greatest song ever. You
Speaker 1: don't have it. So I'm not saying Michael Jordan's or
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson would have not been great without those things.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was already great, like Jordan was great. But
Speaker 1: the way we see them is rooted and these particular
Speaker 1: great men being a part, and they're not just like
Speaker 1: the nigger that's the engineer. They're not the nigger going
Speaker 1: to seven eleven. Rod Temperton is Rod motherfucking Temperton. He's
Speaker 1: not some motherfucker runner the meal motherfucker. It's like trying
Speaker 1: to give him too much credit without giving it the field. Again,
Speaker 1: Let's remember Jordan's before. It's not because of the years,
Speaker 1: it's because he literally didn't impact winning as much as
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. That's a fact. But do you do you
Speaker 1: hear how far your explanation is Gonne. You've gone from
Speaker 1: equating Scottie Pippen to being where he was, and now
Speaker 1: he's below than his Robin, and you compare him to
Speaker 1: Rod Temperton. I think, I think, I think Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 1: I think Temperton has written some of the greatest songs
Speaker 1: to ever be written in music history. No cap, Go
Speaker 1: and look up his discography. He's written some of the
Speaker 1: I know you know that I'm talking about people who
Speaker 1: listen to this disrespect to Rod. But like the same
Speaker 1: way Rod helped Mike with that one, he also wrote
Speaker 1: Rock with You. He also wrote Rock with You. He
Speaker 1: did Yes how that um at all the time? I
Speaker 1: love it. All I'm saying is I'm not taking credit.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking credit. But it needed Michael Jackson. It
Speaker 1: would have been nothing without Michael Jackson. You're missing You're
Speaker 1: you're missing missing the temper around. I'm happy you said that.
Speaker 1: My points from a very long time ago, which point
Speaker 1: you said the Bulls were nothing without Jordan, the Bulls
Speaker 1: were nothing with the bull The second part of the
Speaker 1: Bulls wouldnt be nothing without Robbing. There would be nothing
Speaker 1: without Cook. No, they would be, they would be. They
Speaker 1: would have a winning season. There would be nothing without
Speaker 1: Horrors Grant they have a winning season. No, they wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: They had a winning season without horse grand and Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's if Horton they had a winning season without it.
Speaker 1: They did have a winning sea without they that that
Speaker 1: that that's actually true. They they didn't have they were
Speaker 1: winning coach. This is my thing. Yeah, you you've been
Speaker 1: convenienced with your you've but bus always had two Hall
Speaker 1: of famers on Trail Bladgers. There was a winning season
Speaker 1: trail Blazer. There was a winning season, yes, but that
Speaker 1: was a that's a team. So who is a hall
Speaker 1: of fam Because he was on the Bulls the same
Speaker 1: bros And don't stop and Adie Pippen is regarded as
Speaker 1: highly as he is because he was on the Bulls
Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan. Michael as highly as he is because
Speaker 1: he was on the Bulls. So let me ask a question,
Speaker 1: Let me ask a question, Let me ask you what
Speaker 1: he was already He was already something. He was actually
Speaker 1: just as famous Michael Jordan when he joined the Bulls
Speaker 1: that's true. But the point I'm trying to make it
Speaker 1: is Michael is Michael Jackson. Is Michael Jackson the same
Speaker 1: version of Michael Jackson without Rock with you and without thriller.
Speaker 1: He isn't. I'm not saying he's not an all time
Speaker 1: but I'm not saying he's not a great talent. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, was he the Michael Jackson that we talk about. No,
Speaker 1: I disagree with that. He's to stop. He's not. He's
Speaker 1: not if you don't have rock with you, if you
Speaker 1: don't have rock with you, bro, he's Marky Mark. You
Speaker 1: have to that's so disrespectful. Marion. You act like you
Speaker 1: never heard off the Wall. Mario with You was not
Speaker 1: the only song off the Wall. It's the important song.
Speaker 1: It's the most important songs. You get enough for one.
Speaker 1: The smash that's a knockoff Marvin gay Soon that they
Speaker 1: stole from Marvin Game, it's still not a smash. It
Speaker 1: it's actually not even a great song. That's a thriller,
Speaker 1: is not fired beat. It's not a smash, and what
Speaker 1: like what universe in my living in Billy is not
Speaker 1: a smash. Philly Gene is a knockoff Hall of old song,
Speaker 1: I don't care if you don't care about this. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is I can't go for that Hall of Notes
Speaker 1: the same he's that song let me, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me finish, let me finish, let me finish,
Speaker 1: let me, let me finish, let me. He stole their song.
Speaker 1: He didn't even re sing it. He could have just
Speaker 1: re saen the song. He actually stole it, made another
Speaker 1: version of it. This is another thing. The reality is
Speaker 1: without Rock with You and without Thriller, we don't see
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson the same way we see him today. That's
Speaker 1: not to say he's not an all time great talent.
Speaker 1: It's not to say Michael Jordan's not an all time
Speaker 1: great talent without Scottie Pippen, is he the version of
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan that we talk about. Fuck No, but technically
Speaker 1: Don't Stop Till You Get Enough was a bigger song
Speaker 1: than Rock with You, So that's my point, a knockoff.
Speaker 1: But Michael Jackson stole made the machine run. He's not
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson at album before Off the Wall and after
Speaker 1: the Jackson fives at Off one of the biggest artists
Speaker 1: in the world transition. He was flopping. Ben was a flop.
Speaker 1: It was flops all in between. Quincy Jones came and
Speaker 1: helped him, man, and you're trying to take credit. Still,
Speaker 1: Jackson came, made him and then they got Rod Temperton,
Speaker 1: and then we get Air Jordan's the guy that's doing
Speaker 1: space Jam the six Championships. Then we didn't have Jordan
Speaker 1: on eight seven. We didn't have him back then, I
Speaker 1: didn't have Michael Jordan. I'm not saying you have the Jacksons.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you to have I'm not saying you
Speaker 1: to have Dance Machine. I'm not saying you didn't have ABC.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you to have these fantastic songs. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you the way we view Michael Jackson is because
Speaker 1: of Rock with You and Thriller. The way we view
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's is because of the Six Rings in the
Speaker 1: m v ps. That is the overall idea of why
Speaker 1: the country, the world sees him this way. That has
Speaker 1: no chance of happening at all without Scottie Pippen, Like
Speaker 1: it has no chance at all of happening without Roy Temperton.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. I get it. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying Michael Jordan is not more important to Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying in the grand scheme of things, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you what Rod Timperton did it's more important. But
Speaker 1: then what Michael Run on the album Thriller without the
Speaker 1: song with before the album, the name Thriller, the run
Speaker 1: he had before the song Thriller was even released, The
Speaker 1: Girl is Mine with Paul McCartney, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, Billy Jean beat it want to be starring
Speaker 1: something human nature, p y t like. And then Thriller
Speaker 1: came out after all of that like that, and you
Speaker 1: know why Thriller is bigger than all of those arens
Speaker 1: the top. But it's not that. It's not just it's not.
Speaker 1: It's the reason. It's the reason it's soon, and it's
Speaker 1: the reason, it's the reason Thriller so forty million. Without it,
Speaker 1: it's it's purple Rain without Thrillers, Purple Rain without Thriller.
Speaker 1: It's purple rain without Thriller, Thrillers, purple ring. That's what
Speaker 1: separated him from Prince Thriller. Outside of that, outside that,
Speaker 1: Prince can make, Prince can make beat It, Prince can
Speaker 1: make Billy Jane. Prince can make the girl. The Prince
Speaker 1: can make blah blah blah. He could make all that.
Speaker 1: You know what Prince couldn't make because you know why,
Speaker 1: he couldn't dance like Michael Jackson and Thriller. He couldn't
Speaker 1: hit that routine and he thought it was too corny
Speaker 1: to play a zombie. That's what made him if out
Speaker 1: the Little ozact ship. You mentioned the word corny. You
Speaker 1: call him corny numerous times, right, and said that it's
Speaker 1: like a pop contrived thing. If the pop contrived thing
Speaker 1: that Michael Jackson does becomes popular, you can't fault the
Speaker 1: artists for the thing becoming popular. When I didnt gave
Speaker 1: y'all six smashes back to back to back to back
Speaker 1: to back, I'm not farting, Mike. I'm not farting. I'm
Speaker 1: not farting Michael Jackson. I'm telling you, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not ever still gave y'all like decades of smash and
Speaker 1: Michael and Michael and Michael Jordan's was scoring a bunch
Speaker 1: of points, but without called a god by a guy
Speaker 1: that are considered in their profession, and that is not
Speaker 1: I've been called that that's not enough. That's not enough.
Speaker 1: The general public is thriller. The general public is six
Speaker 1: and so people call you a guy, which I believe
Speaker 1: you're rap guy, especially West Coast rap guy. What's your
Speaker 1: NBA comparison? I bet you're not telling me a Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen my move do Ralf man Man one of the
Speaker 1: niggas that were just like cold that niggas tried the
Speaker 1: front on. But I'm about to turn it into Ben
Speaker 1: Wilas on you niggas. I'm about to be the only
Speaker 1: undrafted nigga to ever go to the I feel it
Speaker 1: come on so strong. At the end of my career.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win five Defensive Player of the Years in
Speaker 1: a row. I'm gonna have a chip or two to
Speaker 1: talk about when it's all setting done. And niggas ain't
Speaker 1: gonna never give me my credit. But I don't need
Speaker 1: these niggas too, just like my nigga being like my nigga,
Speaker 1: Scotty perfect O. Real niggas, Real niggas give the credit.
Speaker 1: Real niggas give Scotty their credit credit. Real niggas give
Speaker 1: Scotty their credit, like real niggas give Rod Timperton his credit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but but Rod not running around saying y'all give
Speaker 1: him like too much credit. That's because Michael Jackson ain't
Speaker 1: making a documentary every two days like I did this
Speaker 1: on my own a million Michael Jackson documentaries. He did.
Speaker 1: Everybody else made a Mike Game made one documentary at all.
Speaker 1: My game with that's that's try I'm fine with. That's
Speaker 1: fine with Michael making the last day, Michael making the
Speaker 1: last day because Lebron James making this push. Look he's
Speaker 1: making this push to Lebron James. He's like, hold on,
Speaker 1: let me shut this nick down. And he trying to
Speaker 1: make my space jam d Scotty Like, damn, bro, that's
Speaker 1: how you're gonna do me, like you got your own Lebron,
Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan had his own Lebron James. Not enough though, Michael,
Speaker 1: what's y'all? It's like it's being but this is my question. No,
Speaker 1: it's not enough that but but but that's I don't
Speaker 1: like that because when there's enough enough for these guys
Speaker 1: in terms of being praised, like what do you want
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan to do? For Scott? I wanted him. I
Speaker 1: wanted him to make a documentary on Scottie Pippet. I'm
Speaker 1: a billionaire, I'm running the hornets. Why am I making
Speaker 1: documentaries about you? About yourself? The whole team was in
Speaker 1: a documentary. No no, no, that it was a Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan probably no, no, no, no, no no no, it
Speaker 1: was Michael Michael. Michael Jordan's Hitler at the NBA. I
Speaker 1: think it's like Hitler bro. That Nigg is like Hitler bro.
Speaker 1: And if you listen to his stories about how he
Speaker 1: treated other people, he's like Hitler. I respect Heler. I
Speaker 1: think Hitler is a great man, great good it means impactful.
Speaker 1: Yes he did because he drove everybody. Haler was probably
Speaker 1: crying at the buck when the people can't a killing.
Speaker 1: Think conspiracies that he escaped the mood to Argentina place
Speaker 1: with no uh, I believe him. Conspiracies. I mean my
Speaker 1: my My point is, again, like I said, dog, Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen is under credited. We don't see Michael Jordan the
Speaker 1: way we see him without Scottie Pippen. It's impossible. It's
Speaker 1: just not gonna happen. We don't see Michael Jackson the
Speaker 1: same way we see him without rope. With your thriller.
Speaker 1: You just can't see it. Imagine there's no Thriller, there's
Speaker 1: no Mike is Mike is Rents. You mean, so you
Speaker 1: mean to tell me on the album would beat it? Right?
Speaker 1: You keep in mind the video for Thriller came out
Speaker 1: way after the song beat It. You're telling me if
Speaker 1: even that album didn't include the song thriller, and the
Speaker 1: name of the album was beat It, we would be
Speaker 1: looking at Mike and the same. It's not the greatest.
Speaker 1: It probably wouldn't be. When doves cries way better than
Speaker 1: beat it. Dove cries. Think princess music is subjective because
Speaker 1: I only like when doves cry, it's way better than
Speaker 1: beat It. I would that's because you were That's because
Speaker 1: you were a kid in remindy of a childhood. When
Speaker 1: doves cry, anybody with ears, adult ears, anybody with adult
Speaker 1: ears knows when doves cry, it's better than beat It's
Speaker 1: not even close. Beat It is actually kind of corny.
Speaker 1: Tries like not one of Prince's best songs to me,
Speaker 1: like that's not my that's not in my child again,
Speaker 1: it's like again the separation between Mike and Princes. It's Thriller,
Speaker 1: and when doves cry. The concept of Thriller being so
Speaker 1: great and vast and much bigger than any artists had
Speaker 1: created first is when doves cry, that's the separation. Without it,
Speaker 1: that's not happening. Bro. You don't see Michael Jackson without
Speaker 1: without Thriller. Dog, he's prints, argue Michael Jackson. Thriller changed music, videos,
Speaker 1: and formula, and that even gave Michael formula for when
Speaker 1: he dropped videos like YO, make this Ship a Holy Then,
Speaker 1: in my personal opinion, I was say he did that
Speaker 1: would beat it? Though? Beat It was a whole movie
Speaker 1: he had, wasn't It wasn't a good movie. It wasn't thriller.
Speaker 1: It wasn't thrilling. It was I don't even remember beating
Speaker 1: no more. To be honest, he had like bloods and
Speaker 1: Thriller is the greatest. No, that's bad, that's beat. It
Speaker 1: isn't it so beat? It is with Wesley Snipes. No no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's bad. Okay, either way, neither one. Either way. It
Speaker 1: wasn't that great. I remember that it wasn't that great.
Speaker 1: It was actually a corny, choreographed dancy But that's not
Speaker 1: the point. The point is Thriller Thriller is where it's sat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like that's still a dance people do that. That's
Speaker 1: the greatest. Listen, that's the greatest. You're missing the point. No,
Speaker 1: they don't. They're not. Nobody's climbing up a road. The
Speaker 1: thing is, Thriller is the greatest music video ever ever.
Speaker 1: That's his. The reason Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan is because
Speaker 1: he's six and old. That's his Thriller. Nobody else is
Speaker 1: six and old except Michael Jordan's and and and star.
Speaker 1: That is Scottie Pippen. He was a part of it,
Speaker 1: but you were Michael Jordan's. That's he's just like Rod
Speaker 1: Timperton is not Michael Jackson. But you don't have that
Speaker 1: version of Michael Jackson without Rod Temperton. So can I
Speaker 1: ask you a question? This an honest question. Let me
Speaker 1: here's a better question. Here's a better question for you.
Speaker 1: Ask that question. It's Rod Timperton one of the greatest
Speaker 1: songwriters ever. Yeah, then no question. Scotti pimper is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest small forts ever. Yeah. He wrote for
Speaker 1: the BGS and all of them ships like he wrote
Speaker 1: book Night. Rod Temperton got some ship like Dad ass
Speaker 1: Rod Timperson got some legit like my favorite Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: Rock with You, so have Rock with You was my
Speaker 1: favorite Michael Jacksonson. So I'm not gonna say no. Rob
Speaker 1: Timperton wrote always in Forevor for me. But that's my
Speaker 1: personal opinion. No remember time, not even a top tim
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson record. Okay you're lying, But my question about
Speaker 1: it is, if Scotty felt this way, why would you
Speaker 1: have Michael Jordan and ducked you into the Hall of
Speaker 1: fame when you was getting to all favors because they
Speaker 1: thought they was bored and doing that years ago. Mike
Speaker 1: just started doing it. Mike started drigging Mike, Mike, And
Speaker 1: I mean you always Harvard this resentment for me. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's been over years of contriving, like Mike started drigging
Speaker 1: his own cool leg We'll see. I grew up in
Speaker 1: the time period. Nobody called Michael Jordan the greatest player
Speaker 1: in real time until he got the six ring and
Speaker 1: retired and he was like, you know what, that nigga
Speaker 1: might have been the best. That's how long it took.
Speaker 1: You gotta think magic was out with five rings, three
Speaker 1: four m vps finals, MVPs that was the most dominant
Speaker 1: team of the eighties. Michael Michael Jordan didn't get the
Speaker 1: credit until that six ring and he walked off the court.
Speaker 1: Nigga's like, he to me, I was like, man, what
Speaker 1: that was some ship we just saw. So Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: never got the benefit in real time because he was
Speaker 1: always chasing the ghosts of other great players. Right, He's
Speaker 1: always chasing Bill Russey, was always chasing Magic Johnsy. He
Speaker 1: was always chasing Koreem. He's always chasing those guys. When
Speaker 1: he got his six ring and he walked off the court,
Speaker 1: this is from a nigga who hate him. I was like,
Speaker 1: and that nigga might have been the best. That's really
Speaker 1: what happened. Nig is like it really the conversation didn't
Speaker 1: start until after. Like it's some people in real time,
Speaker 1: it's like, all you he could score you know, all
Speaker 1: the he could score points, but like the overall idea
Speaker 1: of basketball winning and being successful. When he got that
Speaker 1: six ring, nigga and he knocked that shot, that he
Speaker 1: was like that nigga might have been the best nigga.
Speaker 1: So he didn't have to drink the cool and he
Speaker 1: was too busy chasing greatness. But over the year is
Speaker 1: right now people was putting him up there, he's starting
Speaker 1: to fill it and now other people was threatening him
Speaker 1: with other players with Lebron threatening him, right, so he's
Speaker 1: now he's like, Okay, I need to preserve my legacy,
Speaker 1: so let me make this documentary. That's the shade to
Speaker 1: somebody who I literally, who I literally needed to be
Speaker 1: who I am. They said this nigga started the documentary
Speaker 1: two weeks after Lebron came back from three more exactly
Speaker 1: like he had to foot it locked away for twenty
Speaker 1: years or eighteen years, they said, the nigga Broun came
Speaker 1: back from three one and it was like, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: start working on this documentary because that's when niggas was
Speaker 1: and they feelings about Bron in real time like that
Speaker 1: was he's the greatest, he made the greatest come back.
Speaker 1: No he didn't. He's not the greatest because of that's
Speaker 1: not enough. It's not enough. So again it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where Scottie Pippen does have a right to
Speaker 1: be upset. And I do think the Michael Jordan's followers right,
Speaker 1: like they call Lebron the bron sexuals, the Michael Jordan's guys,
Speaker 1: the air Heads, the air Jordan's the air Heads. They
Speaker 1: are live, really getting out of control and not giving
Speaker 1: true credit to Scottie Pippen for what he was able
Speaker 1: to do for Michael Jordan's legacy and for the Bulls
Speaker 1: team He's not helped. He is just as important, if
Speaker 1: not impacting winning more than Michael Jordan's. He's just as
Speaker 1: important Michael Jordan player than Dennis Rodman who played with him,
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan helped both of them win three rings,
Speaker 1: the second third and the second three. But that but
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. You told me that Michael Jordan want
Speaker 1: to win without Scotty, he wouldn't have won one. Okay,
Speaker 1: My question is the three that Scotty gap. Let's say,
Speaker 1: let's say not a second, not a second three and
Speaker 1: not a second Scotty rank at all time. If Scotty,
Speaker 1: if Scotty and Mike in that three championships, Scotty taped
Speaker 1: to the convert after that, where Scotty and Mike, if
Speaker 1: they if he's not in front of Dr JH No
Speaker 1: not not not If they win three ja and he's
Speaker 1: a trans top five, still top three, Still that's my point,
Speaker 1: it's like he's the conversation listen is much credit, but
Speaker 1: he's not three. But why is it always about me
Speaker 1: and Michael? Why is it never like Yo, he don't give,
Speaker 1: he don't give. He didn't give nobody enough credit. He
Speaker 1: didn't give Dennis enough credit. I never him, I never
Speaker 1: hear him put anybody because I'm not in this, bro,
Speaker 1: I would do with you. The whole time I've argued,
Speaker 1: I've argued that, I'm arguing. I've argued consistently they don't
Speaker 1: win another title without Dannish Roban after the first three.
Speaker 1: But Scotty, whole thing is as I don't get enough credit.
Speaker 1: Why are you just because Michael fucking Jordan's should be
Speaker 1: giving him because because the weed changed, Because the weed
Speaker 1: changed over the time, he changed the constant. Is Scott's
Speaker 1: been the same? No, they have, They've changed the niggas.
Speaker 1: One would be j fucking arm Star. You could just
Speaker 1: be championship. It wasn't built. It wasn't building championship teams.
Speaker 1: They you could plan any nigga once you have these
Speaker 1: two niggas until the second. But that's that's what they did.
Speaker 1: That's what they did. They won a Championship with Luke
Speaker 1: lonely but glasses. You just told me that the second
Speaker 1: run and Mike went in and walking off with the
Speaker 1: final shot. Is the ship that made him the greatest
Speaker 1: player in people's mind of all time. Ye if we do,
Speaker 1: it's robbing. Neither of us get those other three rings.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have and if you don't have
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, then this might not Yeah, Nigga might go
Speaker 1: to Orlando. You get shipped, you get nothing. I said,
Speaker 1: what about the like I said, the whole time Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan was there, he was playing with minimum to other
Speaker 1: Hall of famers, the same thing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: not to our famous playing minimum one Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: same ship with Scottie the whole time, the whole time,
Speaker 1: the whole this is this is not a question. This
Speaker 1: is not a question. And other great players on the
Speaker 1: Bulls beyond Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan's no, that was
Speaker 1: that's a lie. When who was it? Who was in
Speaker 1: the first three When Michael Jordan, who was who is it?
Speaker 1: Who is the other Hall of Fame in the first
Speaker 1: three titles? Michael Jordan, I said, they always played with
Speaker 1: one of the Hall of Famer said again, so again,
Speaker 1: right again, this is the same we're talking about Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 1: who's a fucking Hall of Famer. How Kim Alajwan one
Speaker 1: without a Hall of Famer, not Michael Jordan, one of
Speaker 1: them early bulls. See you know what, I'm glad you said.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said, Kim Logan jan How kim Alajuan
Speaker 1: might be the only person who won without an Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, without another one Oscar Robinson won on the scene. Nigger?
Speaker 1: What bad? No? No, that that? What's that? What's that?
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan thinking about Luall Cinder? My bad? What's Michael Jordan?
Speaker 1: What's that? Michael Jordan? What's that? Michael George Quila? I
Speaker 1: started thinking about Luall Cinder my bad? How you getting
Speaker 1: us Jordan? Because talk about Kareem the whole time. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, hey, Mike, see him some of that sing
Speaker 1: core Row because that's what he over there dragging, right,
Speaker 1: they dranking the juice. That's core Row. And also that's
Speaker 1: a lie. Clyde Drexon was on one of the second
Speaker 1: time I was the second team focus. He want to
Speaker 1: ring without one other Hall of fame. You know who else?
Speaker 1: Want another ring without a Hall of Famer? Ben Wallace?
Speaker 1: Honest to Ben Wallace, Hold up, Ben Wallace. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen in the future. Ben Wallace might
Speaker 1: make the Hall of Fame one. What does that mean? No,
Speaker 1: he's not not. What does that mean? I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that's how you talk about Michael Jordan's It's
Speaker 1: not true, all right, man, he would do like like
Speaker 1: I think. But also people don't realize my scaul was.
Speaker 1: Jordan's job was the score. Like his job, his job,
Speaker 1: which is why he's the greatest scoring guard ever. His
Speaker 1: job was to score. He did his fucking job. Here,
Speaker 1: the greatest scoring guard ever in one of the top five,
Speaker 1: if not top three, greatest perimeter guards and perimeter defenders.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. No, name five, Name five better
Speaker 1: perimeter defenders? Said top five or three? I said top
Speaker 1: three or five perimeter defenders. Okay, so I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Dennis Johnson. No, yes, no, but continue you sleep on.
Speaker 1: But that's the whole Dennis Johnson. Then it's Johnson as
Speaker 1: a guard that is three blocks. Of course, I'm averaged.
Speaker 1: I'm averaged mine creef, I'm gonna bring in Fraser. He
Speaker 1: did didn't have a couple of titles, but he didn't,
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't have a player as great at
Speaker 1: Scottie pipp Yeah, Willis Reid, Willis Read was the ship.
Speaker 1: And also and also they didn't give out defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year wards, so we don't actually know what
Speaker 1: some of these people would. I think Michael Cooper was
Speaker 1: the greatest, as great of a defensive guard that Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me as Michael Jordan exactly. You know
Speaker 1: what they call it a Freudian slip. That's Freudian Scottie Pipper,
Speaker 1: Scott Pipper, not a perimeter to finish to say it, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's Scotti Pipper too, because he's one
Speaker 1: of the greatest perimeter fender. That's all I'm saying is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: put in respect on Coop name, showtime, respect on Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan if he if he how much more respect do
Speaker 1: we got to give him? And enough to not bad
Speaker 1: mouth him just because you want to sell some to
Speaker 1: key less some liquor because you're broken. I'm a billionaire.
Speaker 1: How are we bad mouth for him to give him
Speaker 1: his fucking credit. He made his Hall of fame, and
Speaker 1: I or you and you didn't like me. That's that's
Speaker 1: a little bit you did. You should have game his on.
Speaker 1: You should have game his on. Fucking liquor. Scotty gotta
Speaker 1: walk past this nigga statue every day like he wasn't
Speaker 1: He ain't got no sketch they put. He retired. That's
Speaker 1: why you look. That's why you will never get another
Speaker 1: fucking championship team there you un grateful as negro. I
Speaker 1: hope we win a championship this year so you can apologize. No,
Speaker 1: damn well, that ain't gonna happen. We're gonna get a
Speaker 1: championship the next five years. You will never win it again.
Speaker 1: This is the pipping curse. Until you make right, until
Speaker 1: you do right? What that what that lady say? How
Speaker 1: does shi going? Uh? Color purple? Until you do right
Speaker 1: everything you say, Until you until Chicago as an organization
Speaker 1: and as a city and Michael Jordans do right by pipping,
Speaker 1: you will never smell another fucking ring again. Ever, the
Speaker 1: pipping curse. Put some respect on pipping that real ship.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say some real ship the future too.
Speaker 1: For that ship he did you ain't ship future? I was.
Speaker 1: I was real quick. I was at the party with
Speaker 1: Piper like about two months ago. I dope. I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's really my dog pit white. This ship funny as
Speaker 1: hell talking to like regular niggas fo a m in
Speaker 1: the morning in the hills, I'm like, Yo, loss to
Speaker 1: go home, bro, that's why you can't wipe think Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan woman off doing that. Hell on all, I never
Speaker 1: said that. Look, I never said that. We never said
Speaker 1: Scotty made the best. Obviously Scotty didn't make the best
Speaker 1: business decisions. Obviously Scotty has not made some of the
Speaker 1: best business desions in his life. But the nigga cahoo,
Speaker 1: he's not self and not any not any not selfish