WEBVTT - Conversations About Scottie Pippen 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.840 If if if Jordan's Michael Jackson, then Scottie Pippen is 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:10.000 Rod Temperton and Phil Jackson is Quincy Jones. Without those components, 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:16.280 without Rod Temperton riding thriller Michael Jackson's greatest in signature song, 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.239 we would not see a matter of fact, you don't 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.480 have an album that sells forty million, You don't have 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.000 the title of the album. You don't have the single 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.159 that became the greatest possibly the greatest song ever. You 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.040 don't have it. So I'm not saying Michael Jordan's or 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.560 Michael Jackson would have not been great without those things. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.600 Michael Jackson was already great, like Jordan was great. But 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:41.280 the way we see them is rooted and these particular 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.440 great men being a part. And they're not just like 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.559 the nigger that's the engineer. They're not the nigga going 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:52.240 to seven eleven. Rod Temperton is Rod motherfucking Temperton. He 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.880 is not here right now. Um, but I got my 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.200 boys who but y'all is on my ship now out 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.320 This is incredible now, so shout out to my boy 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:08.240 tv J my boy Patty. Welcome to No Ceilings, the 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.240 most honest podcast in the history of podcasting. I'm very 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.080 excited to be here right now. I have no idea 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.280 what we're talking about. I like it that way. I 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.200 have no idea where this is going. I like it 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.160 that way. So I'm very excited to be here right now. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.600 And I got you some people, man, so I hope 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.840 I don't. I got you. So what's been bothering me 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:34.200 right is and y'all both being from Chicago. Everything going 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.520 on with Scottie Pippen. That's what I brought you on 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:42.479 here to talk about everything going on with Scottie Pipper. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.720 Now I know scott is not from Chicago. He's not 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.320 born and ready to Chicago, but very much he is 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.480 Chicago to everybody that's not from Chicago to eat us, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:02:00.760 to us, even Scottie Pippen. Yeah, like Chicago bro like 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:02.920 like growing up, I'll swear to God. When I was 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.480 a kid, I didn't know Michael joined Scott Worth for Chicago. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.320 Like I learned later on in life that like these 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.360 niggas is not for Chicago. I learned that later on 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.840 the life one of the Arkansas. He's signed the country 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.120 as hell. He used to be all Marco. Don't know 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.280 it though, It's just like, what is Chicago without that 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.959 basketball team? Did ask? Like what positive? No? For real, No, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:29.760 I'm not even king hot dogs, hot dogs, criminals bear, bro, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.840 what are you serious? Kanye West? That's before No, that's 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.600 after that. I'm being I'm being, I'm being honest. Now 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.320 he says that, what do I think of when I 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.840 think of Chicago outside of the Bulls. It does dim 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.040 the light a little bit? It is it coas hot dogs, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.160 the mob, the mob mob, not even pizza like Chicago 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.560 South Pizza for the real system. No, I wouldn't even 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:59.600 think even know I would no, no, no, no, bro, 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:05.799 no bro, No, I wouldn't think that Kanye West. People 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.200 don't think that either. People don't think that either. I 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.040 do because I find but people literally don't think that. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.320 I would think of New York when you said that, facts, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.960 that's what I would think of when you think of 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.600 pizza and buildings, I would think of New York. So 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.600 I'm gonna think of hot dogs, but think of Kanye West, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.400 the Mob. But think of the mob for sure, like 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.120 the gangsters, and I'm gonna think of the gang culture 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:33.000 there no positive No, It's like no, bro, like no, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.000 you are not in New York exactly like like look 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.760 like look like look glass people all this role. I 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.880 disagree with that though. We don't have to be New York, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.120 but like, we like the culture center of the Midwest. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.160 But bro, it's the middle being the biggest piece of 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.160 ship in the toilet or something. You just don't think 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.400 of that, That's what because you don't think of that 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.920 when you think of the Midwest, like the cultural run 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.000 of signs the way you should, you know. And I 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.600 agree because I think it very much is the blackest 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.800 place in America, even blacker than the South Different though, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:08.920 because Patty didn't leave the South Side until he was 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.960 an adult. I used to leave the South Side all 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.840 the time when I was a kid, so I've seen 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.159 I've been seeing all parts of Chicago since I was little, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.360 so I just have a different perspective on it. But 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.360 we talked about to the world though, Bro, the world, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.320 to the world. Don't you ask me my opinion. I'm 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.440 just saying I'm with you, Yeah, I'm with you. I'm like, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.440 I don't think of Scottie Pippen in Chicago in the 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.640 same thing. I think of Michael Jordan in the same thing, 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:39.800 because it's why mad, And that's why he mad exactly, man, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.799 that's exactly why Pitt mad bron on Space Gym because 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.239 Mike shot Space Jam and they show why he mad 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.200 Chicago right His house in Chicago, which actually my childhood 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.800 doctor lived on the same block as Michael Jordan is 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.600 like out back Great America, so he didn't live in 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.760 the city, but he lived out there. And Michael Jordan's 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.120 house was famous out there and it was in Space Jam. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.200 So like, yes, you associate Michael Chicago. You literally saw 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.560 buzz money crawling into this nigger living room like as 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.599 at least for me as a kid, So I'm sorry, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.200 Like I don't associate Scottie Pitt with Chicago and Scotti also, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.680 like Scottie kind of dipped out and went to Portland 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:18.560 and kind of flamed out, and then it was like whatever, 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.480 Like Michael went to Mike retired, and then he went 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.160 to the Wizards where he was trying to buy to 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:28.560 Washington trying to buy the team. Bro left because they 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.520 didn't want him anymore. They literally said we don't want 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.720 you wanted more. Leave, That's not what they said they 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.560 said to him. And more, they said, we don't want 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.120 feel Jackson no more. And they said, we don't want 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.080 Scotty too. They said, we don't want Scottie leave. I 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.400 guarantee you to feel with to stay for another year. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.560 And it was just Mike and fucking and up and 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:56.000 Jordan's he would have stayed cool. I'm sorry if Phil 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.520 would have stayed for anotheringe and it was just Mike 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.280 and Phil. You know, Michael to stay the front office, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:06.040 him the front office, right, everybody at all four and 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.240 they would have went back to the conference finals and 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.440 got smoked up by somebody. They wouldn't have went to 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.400 no conference finals without Pippen. Okay, some things we have 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.680 to stop doing. And even with my Chicago brethren, we 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.320 have to stop giving Michael Jordan tirely too much credit. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.200 Let me let me go and record with this. Michael 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.400 Jordan's is the greatest shooting guarden the history of the NBA. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.440 He would be the greatest shooting guarden history in the 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.680 NBA without Scottie Pippen. I'm going to say that right, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.320 I'm going to say that he was going to be 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.320 an m v P Defensive Player of the Year without 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.200 Scottie Pippen. He was gonna be the most savage shooting 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.279 guard on either side of the ball, no matter. Scottie 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.920 Pippen was a bull. But the way we view Jordan's 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:54.400 legacy is because of Scottie Pippen as well. And if 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.560 we don't start being honest with that, it's it's really 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:04.159 disrespectful to the team game of basketball. Scottie Pippen at worst, 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.080 it has always been a top three small forward in 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.880 the NBA during the prime of his career, facts a 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:15.720 top three. Can I say what Scottie Pippen is. Scottie 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.680 Pippen is a rapper that buys a bunch of like 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.240 stuff from this one brand, and then he gets associated 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.080 with the brand, and then he goes to the brand 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.800 and say, Yo, make me a brand at bass and 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.800 they're like, now you've been rocking our ship because you 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.760 associated with us. And they're like, man, that first, that 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:33.840 brand or whatever. It's like, yeah, but you're still gonna 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.160 be somewhat synonymous with that brand forever. That's marketing. Y'all 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.920 be mad at Mike. Blame marketing, Like, blame the NBA 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.760 and David Stern for putting Mike on that pedestal and 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.040 making that brand of Michael Jordan's so good that anything 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.720 associated with it became golden. Like if you was associated 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.880 with Jordan's you looked at as a champion and and 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.680 and one of the greats of all time forever. So 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.680 after Scottie Pippen made him a champion, I think that, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.280 But that's not the point. David Stern was trying to 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.840 take the game global. So if you try to, I'm saying, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.720 after after Scottie Pippen made him a champion. Yeah, but 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:15.520 that don't matter. Mike was Mike before. He wasn't even 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.640 he never even led a team to a winning season 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.920 before Scottie Pippen. So what Larry Bird called him god 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.400 while he whipped his ass, but he still called him god. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.240 Johans called Kevin Durant the best player name backs and 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.679 proceeded to put him out his ass, So what does 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.959 that mean? So what does that? Is Kevin Durand not 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.880 a God? No, sure he's a guy, Yeah he sure 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.080 he's the guy. Yeah, yeah he's God, He's God. That's fair, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.800 But I'm saying it doesn't mean much if you're still 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:51.680 gonna get bounced. Okay, but that's not that's not Michael 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.000 Jordan's fault, like Scottie Pippen is making this all about Mike. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.040 You don't understand it because Michael Jordan is making it 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.560 about Mike. It's not all about Mike. How you made 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.200 me because I'm a billionaire and I made great business 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.480 moves and everybody loved me and people were literal, that's 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.880 not But that's not why, bro. I think you know 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.480 Scotty knows. Everything that I get from Scotty is that 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.160 Scotty is mad. Scotty is mad, and he doesn't get 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.240 the same level of respect that Michael Jordan gets. He 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.240 feels like he gets put somewhere, like he was just 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.760 alone for the ride, and that is not the case. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.400 Like again, I told you my problems with the documentary 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.360 when it drop, it felt like a Michael Jordan propaganda piece. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.120 When you name the documentary the Last Dance. What I 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.520 always thought about the Last Dance was about everybody. It 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.520 wasn't just about Michael Jordan's. It was just about the 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.160 fact that you knew the whole team wasn't coming back, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.680 and the documentary they made it like a Michael Jordan's 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.200 propaganda piece. The thing that sent me completely over the 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.920 edge was when they talked about winning the nine two finals. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.520 People don't know. In their Game six, they came back 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.079 from a sixteen point devisit in the fourth quarter. Mike 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.520 was on the bench. I think it was Scotty and 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.800 the bitch out there. They cut the lead to four 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.000 and then put Mike back in the game. Then Mike 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.520 did make the like go ahead lay up and ended 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.800 up winning the game. All the show was Mike making 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.160 going to go ahead lay up and then win in 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.440 the championship like this, hainte how it happened. This ain't 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.640 what happened. And there was so many other moments. I 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.720 like even even um the game seven against Indiana, cool 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.120 coach was bawling. Me hit nothing about cool coach bawling. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.160 All we see is Michael Jordan fade away out like 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.200 not Scottie Pippen though, But Tony Cook coach is not 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:35.440 Scottie Pippen. Broth contribute to He's not and again again second, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.680 because Tony Cook coach is a Hall of Famer, He's 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.000 not a few. He's not a Hall of Film because 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.960 of the NBA career. He's all fan because of what 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.280 he did in europe basketball. He was if he did 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.800 not come to the NBA and win championships with Michael Jordan, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.839 he would not be in the Hall of Fame. Stop lying, Bro, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:55.959 But he's not Scottie Pippen. Bro. Why Scott Scott is 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.760 that great of a player? Layer, Bro? He's that great 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.880 of a players. They lost Michael Jordan's and lost one 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:09.840 less game. The only he's top one for me personally. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.480 See so the way I judged basketball, We've done this 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.920 on on Hoops and Bruce, So make sure y'all check 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.640 out the Hoops and Brew podcast. The way I look 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.319 at basketballs, it's the best five by floor positioners, right, 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.000 that's the best five players in the NBA, the best 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:30.080 five by floor positioning. There's not three small forwards who 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.600 had a greater career than Scottie Pippen. It's not three 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.320 because he was on the team with the greatest player 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.240 to Michael had to play with him too. That's what 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.559 was on a losing team. He was a loser completely. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.840 He was Bradley Bill. Oh and guess what happened. When 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.680 you give Bradley Bill a decent team. You're not gonna 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.120 call Kyle Kuzma Scottie Pippen, are you? If they win 0:11:54.200 --> 0:12:02.880 six rings. I just like the six rings. Just good 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:06.440 looking good out there right now. Because the other game 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.640 he had eighteen points of eight ten rebounds. I was like, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.360 who who's over there rebounding? By the way, I just 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.440 want to say I told everybody that he was nothing 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.920 to be sneezed on. Now, he might not necessarily be 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.040 better than brandon ingram like I said, but when he's 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.160 giving shots an opportunity, he's probably he's gonna have a 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.440 greater career in brandon Ingramd. That's fair. He might. That's 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.720 my whole point, but at the time, no, it was 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.640 my point. It was my point. I was like, he 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.679 playing with Bron, he don't get a ring, and if 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.080 he get a ring, all he had to do is 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.400 just be decent for the rest of his career. You 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.240 gonna remember him. Like Kyle Kuzman is a name, Like 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.360 he hasn't produced to be a name, but he a 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.079 champion with Scottie Pippen is a champion, and Scottie Pippen 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.600 is like, okay, right now, perfect example Cleveland being like, 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.600 oh well, Kyle couse when you when your ring cousin 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.600 Lebron James, He's like, well, y'all want y'all only ring 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.040 Coussein Lebron James, Like, don't sit up here and tell 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.480 me that I wasn't a participant. When I was a participant, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.720 I'm not the guy, but I'm not. But I was 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.840 an equal participant, which I understand. And I feel Scotty 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:10.800 on whoa, whoa, You just you just curb grapes. It's 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.760 not because it's not give him his credit. No he doesn't, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.360 not really, No he doesn't. That's a horrible job at it. Yeah, 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.800 he never really does horrible job at it. He's never 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:25.480 even came out said I would never win a championship 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.199 without Scotti Pippen. That's not true. That's not true. Tell 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:30.719 me where he said it. He said it in the 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.080 last dance. He said, I will not want a championship 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.280 without Scotty. He literally said. People love to talk about 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.000 Michael Jordan's and what Michael Jordan did, but there would 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.440 be no Michael Jordan. There would be no championships without 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.319 Scottie Pippen. He said that he needs so if he 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.880 said that he needs to make a documentary, he did 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.840 so I can be wrong. He used to make us. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.520 He needs to make a documentary. Yeah, I didn't see that. 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.400 I didn't see that. But but but if he's said teammate, 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.000 I've ever had people love to talk about Michael Jordan, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.760 but there would be no Michael. But there would be 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.079 no Michael Jordan's championships without Scottie Pippen. He said that 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.280 in the documentary at the end, After After After nine, 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.160 I was at Jordan brace, but I'm Jordan's g There 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.400 was three straight hours in which they only showed Michael 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.040 Jordan gene. It was like part five to part seven 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.160 was nobody showed up beside Michael Jordan's. Do you watch football? 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:27.560 Mm hmm, okay, what Scott Brady, Rob Bronkowski? No, look, no, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.000 no look listen but TP T P t B TP 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.480 Tom get a lot of TB. But TV. I have 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.320 an issue. Even like the last Super Bowl, everybody was like, 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.440 Tom Brady was so great, the defense you won that game. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.720 I like the gee they held Pat my owns the 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.480 fucking six points. Why are we talking about Tom Brady? 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.400 He wasn't that damn good. That's the whole other point. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.360 But what I want to focus on is how great 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:57.440 Scottie Pippen is. And I think it gets lost because 0:14:58.040 --> 0:14:59.960 the way we look at basketball. I've talked to your 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.560 about this a lot, where scoring it's all scoring, who's 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.280 scoring the most points? But Scottie Pippen as an offensive player, 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.840 it's kind of the prototype for a point forward. The 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.600 Magic Johnson was actually a point guard. Scottie Pippen is 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.960 the point forward right where he could orgestrate your offense. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.040 He can make the quality passes and he can get 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.560 you the bucket. Right. So he was a top three 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.200 small forward offensively in the game. He was gonna make 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.320 first team All NBA, second Team All NBA, a third 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.080 team All NBA for ten years. But defensively he was 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.440 the best small forward in the NBA by a mile. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.240 Michael Jordan's was able to play with the best small 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:47.440 forward in the NBA through the nineties. Who the gets 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.440 that opportunity, You're about the lie who gets the opportunity 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.800 to play with the best shooting guard of all time 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:58.560 for a whole decade, the best small forward. Yeah, but 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.840 he was the greatest shooting guard of all time before 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.480 you became the best. He wasn't. He wasn't the greatest 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.760 shooting guard before he was the best shooting guard. Wasn't 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.360 the greatest shooting guard. No, No, Larry Bird called him 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.920 a god. He became he was the greatest I saw marketing. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.640 That's all so after so after year three, he's a 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.560 great shooting guard. Ever, Yeah, with the thirty four wins, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.120 they won thirty two games that year. Bro player to player, 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.880 no comparison player. There's no such thing as the player. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.600 The players when they get their asked whoop and only 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.560 one thirty three games, that's player the player. Know what 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.080 I'm saying is you're playing. You could pick any player. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.600 Who are you gonna say before him? I'm telling you, 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.760 I'm telling you, I'm telling you there players before Michael Jordan. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.480 That's an honest question. Is it Rick Barry? They're players 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:49.520 who achieved more than Michael Jordan. Well, he's a small forward. Um, 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.080 Jerry West probably would be that guy. Shout out to 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.400 Jerry West. Jerry West always goes and get some ice 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.760 cream before the Clippers game. Take all your dispect back 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.560 about Jerry Westways didn't take all one of the one 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.280 of the greatest minds in the history of basketball. So 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.160 one of the kindest human beings out of man. Shout 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.280 out to Jerry West. Man here, cool dude, He's Superman. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.959 So the point I'm saying is Michael Jordan was the 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.720 best shooting guard in the NBA those three or four years. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.600 But he wasn't the greatest shooting guard. He didn't have 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.920 the greatest career for a shooting guard, Scottie Pippen. He 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:26.439 had the luxury of playing with the best small forward 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:32.280 in the NBA for ten years. Roughly, Can I ask 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.800 a question? Sure? Okay? Take away with Michael Jordan's championships 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.840 and also removed Kobe Bryant because we know Kobe Bryant 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.640 is a spawn of Michael Jordan's. Other than that, who 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.480 was the greatest shooting guard of all times? Jerry West? 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.760 If Michael Jordan's No, if Mike still scored thirty five 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.600 thousand points, won all of them awards, m VPS Defensive 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.960 West Ever, wont to ring. It's not Jerry West? Who what? WHOA? 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.560 We would never name somebody, We would never name anybody 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.080 like that. That's like saying John Stockton is the best. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.159 That's like saying car Malone is the best power forward. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:08.359 Nobody says Carl Yeah, but car Malone, not Michael Jordan. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.960 Karl Malone then win if you take you literally just said, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:17.280 if you take away championships, pas come from winning seasons. Exactly. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.520 We gotta take a winning seasons if you become a 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.760 winning seasons bro. Michael Jordan would even have a winning 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.200 season without Scotti Pippen. Drip the championships away because y'all 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.760 he not getting the same m vpvs without the record. 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.760 You don't know that he don't get them. You don't 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.760 know you're not getting MVP winning forty five games, brot 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:40.520 five games. Mike didn't have a winning season before Scottie Pippen, 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.160 and Michael Jordan would not have finished his entire career 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.119 only winning forty five games. That's that's disrespectful. You know 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.960 how tough to East was, Traysy McGrady, No, you know 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.560 how tough the East was. Man was winning m VP 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.960 and Defensive Player of the Year before they would get 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.720 into the finals. No, stop that, this was like, this 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:01.480 is the problem. Like we were sold Carled Malone. We 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.280 saw far remove it was Carled Malone. He's like a 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.880 mythical figure, so he's not so was Carl Malone. Carl 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.119 Malone didn't win as much as Michael Jordan was the 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:14.399 greatest loser before Michael Jordan's. Michael Jordan's was some of 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.199 the most greatest accolades after Kareem ever. Honestly, care again 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.960 based off of the fact that he played with Scotty, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.040 he wouldn't have winning. They're not gonna give him five 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.920 MVPs with losing seasons. And this is the problem with Scotty. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.840 He's let y'all inflate his head too much. No, I 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.159 actually I actually watched it time. I actually watched it. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.639 I remember Michael Jordan, who we laughed at that couldn't 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.480 win a game, so what so I was never impressed, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.280 So it was not it was nothing impressive. You weren't 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.280 gonna stop him. Who cares? What you mean? Who cares? 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.160 If you still all? If you can't, if you can't, 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.119 if you can't score a hundred and two and the 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.320 other teams score a hundred, who cares? But this is 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.760 my question though, because I feel like your arguments look 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.000 they change on basketball because you'll be the same one 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.440 to be like, oh this I made more defensive Player 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.399 of the years and and he got more All NBA 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.000 selections between All NBA and All Defense um as this 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.199 other guy, Michael was getting all NBA and all defense 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:15.280 selections before Scottie Pippens. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:20.320 dis players Scotty is like to Draymond because honestly, I 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.479 think it's it's it's Steph Katie than Draymond. But if 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.959 you remove Katie from their dynasty because he was there 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.240 for a smaller period of time, it's really Steph Curry 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.919 than Draymond in terms of who people will really remember 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:33.560 from the Warriors. And then Clay is kind of like 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.639 a I don't think they will remember Draymond more than 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.240 I remember Clay. I think offense is memorable. Yeah, but 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.879 even then, you don't hear Clay complaining about Steph Curry. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.520 What do you It's because Clay is not Scott Are 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.000 you crazy? I disagree with that? Even lost your damn mind. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.560 So you just literally just went down a list of 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.119 why Michael Jordan's was the best shooting guard right because 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.440 of his NBA. That's not even the third best small 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.320 forward of a time, of course he is. He's just 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.800 he's the third greatest. Is not better than How was 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.720 he not? How is it? How is he not better 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.359 than Neil Jim? What do you mean, I mean, I 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:15.640 don't know he has six ships playing with the greatest 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.320 player Mike never had one before him. To be fair, 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.560 better play with j West and couldn't get six and 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:27.640 they won when he retired. Who had a greater career, 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:35.040 Larry Bird? You guess? And I love Katie with all 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:40.320 my heart and soul. No, no, no, he hasn't had 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.439 a greater career than Scottie Pippen. I don't know if 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.640 I agree with that, but I understand why you're saying 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.680 Katie has not had a greater career than Scotti Pippen. 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.399 But I understand why you saying what you're saying. Listen, 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.000 Scottie Pippen made ten nine to ten all Defensive first Teams, 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:02.240 seven to nine all NBA T He's probably the greatest 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.720 small forward defender not named Kawai Leonard. He literally is 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.399 a six time champion better than him, Kawhi Leonard. I 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.800 forget he's not. He hasn't he hasn't had a greater career. 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.919 No he hasn't. He asked, Yes he hasn't. He's championships, 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.480 shut two Defensive Players of the Year, two finals MVPs. 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.280 Scotti Pepper has ever won the finals VPTO. He has 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.879 six championships. Gee, he's never been the most valuable player 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.840 in the series. Kauh was twice you val you is 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:33.120 about best? Now, Oh my god, coupon is the best 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.600 because they give you the best value. I'm gonna mute myself. 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.040 Yes they are. I never heard that. I've never heard 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.320 that if you took your girl out to dinner with coupons, 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.119 she'd be embarrassed. She wouldn't like, this is the best value, 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.480 this is the best day to ever. Guess what. That's 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.879 her that's her problem. She would not think this is 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.840 the best day that ever. Last episode, let's see the 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.880 last episode here talking to Peter about credit. Let's see 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:58.240 your last episode credit. You're talking to Peter about credit, 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.720 and y'all said that the single y'all feel like the 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.040 single reason why um um or at least Peter I 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:05.920 believe alluded to it like he feels like agreed and 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.760 I agree with was due to the feminist movement and 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.119 men over over leveraging themselves into debt, trying to improve 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.760 when trying to impress with women. So if I can't 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.080 have a woman that's not appreciative of me using a coupon. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.919 What the funk? Like? Like, how much do you really give? 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.199 You're still not gonna use coupons. I'm not gonna use 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:28.760 them because I know why you're not. You're not. You 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.240 got because because Joe Girl would not see that this 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:35.720 is the best date ever. So don't overratee value or valuable. 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.040 I disagree with that though I didn't. I didn't take 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:39.440 I didn't take an women out for less than a 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.399 hundred dollars three times. And you never had a coupon 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.000 and I never had a coupon. You can take a 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.240 woman out for thirteen dollars, but if you've got a coupon, 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.680 it's gonna be a different conversation. You gotta see that. 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:51.639 Though you know the type of nigga you gotta be 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.440 to take a woman out with a coupon. You gotta 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:56.240 be like a cold type of nigga to take a 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:59.359 woman out with a coupon. Yeah, I'll be a different nigger. 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.840 But that's what Scottie Pippen is. He's taking a woman 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.760 out with a coupon. Maestros, Michael Jordan couldn't tested your 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.000 winning season and Michael Ship Michael he might look might 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:12.720 not have been taking me to Ruth Chris, but he 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:14.359 was taking me the game. I was taking you to 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.920 McDonald's and buy you a bunch of Big Max and 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.679 you happy about it. Scott taking us the seven. Scotty 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.080 took you to the big Show. Scotty took you to 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.359 the second round of the playoffs without know Michael Jordan's. 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.680 He gave your winning season without know Michael Jordan, I 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:32.879 thank you really ungrateful. See that's the thing when you 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:36.440 deal with Jordan fans like they have a revisionist level 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:38.920 of history where they just remember him hit in the 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.359 last shot. And again this is still Michael Jordan is 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:43.760 the greatest shooting guard ever, you know what I mean, 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:47.159 no questions, um the best before he even won a championship. 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.520 But again, the reason we talk about him is because 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:55.080 he wons six championships and multiple vps. He wins not 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.840 five of those m vps and probably no championships without 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.440 Scottie Pippen. It has been so hard, it's been really tough. 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:08.320 And again, again and again, Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:11.439 is not a winning season. Scottie Pippen without Michael Jordan's 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.919 is a winning season. That's just a fact they won 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:18.480 one less game. But you have to stop because by 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.920 that point in time they had built a championship caliber team. 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.840 You also have to look at the championship caliber team. 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.160 Wait a minute, question, did you know Michael Jordan Wants 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.600 played with George Gerber? Yes, yeah, okay, then he was 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.840 on his last ligers, running out the limping around and 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:34.840 they went to the playoffs that year. So don't talk 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.560 to me in the thirty win it doesn't matter. You 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.760 can mean it doesn't matter. Now you can make the 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:45.480 playoffs and not be five hundred today. What you can 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.399 do it back then, he Michael Jordan had the worst 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:52.560 team in the Eastern eighties exactly. No. No, he because 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.560 he was because he was Gland, was better than everybody 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:57.320 he played with in the eighties other than Scottie Pippen. 0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.919 Not because because he was fucked up. He was sucked up. 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:05.560 He's that's not true. By the way. The thing about 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:11.440 Mike is, Mike is great at he's a great scoring guard, 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.920 he's one of the he's the greatest defender at all 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.440 of that. But that sometimes ain't what it takes to win. 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.600 You might not be able to just score the ball 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.359 and defend and win. You may have to get better 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.240 out of your team. That's an important thing that you 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:29.399 don't really give credence to. You're just not gonna get that. 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.120 Creatus Michael Jordan creatings to the fact that they also 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:35.680 had a different coach Doug Collins was coaching versus Phil Jackson. 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.560 Do you where does Field rank in terms of your 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:41.400 greatest coaches of all time? Probably number one. We're gonna 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.840 saying Red are back. I'm not I'm gonna say I'm 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.440 I'm I'm fine of whoever want to say Red. But 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:51.119 the winning season without Doug though, I mean, I mean, 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.240 I mean, I mean they had win the season before Field, 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.280 but also there, you mean they had winning seasons with 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.959 Mike and Scottie Scotti kid, Yeah, yeah, both of them. 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.119 Scotty is like that though. That's like if Zion and 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.639 Repelicans get successful in three years and like and and 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.760 Nickle Alexander Walkers come on and started like playing real 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:13.760 well and they win a championship and being like, oh, 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.200 well he'd been there since. It starts like yeah, but 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.920 like Zion had to round in the forum like yeah, 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:23.520 but it's it's it's eight but Michael Jordan was rounded. 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.920 Michael Jordan was rounded into forms. Listen, this is the 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:32.000 the oldest argument of scores versus playmakers, Guys who can 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.040 make everybody on the court better and guys who just 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.560 do what they do. Like we like, we watched cream 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.159 I du Jar in the seventies struggle at times to 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.119 make the playoffs, sometimes not make the playoffs because he 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.000 was a great score and he could defend, but he 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.439 couldn't make everybody on the court better. So he if 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:51.800 he didn't have the personnel right, that was pretty great. 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.720 It was gonna be tough. That's the difference with Scottie 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.879 Pippen and Michael Jordan's. To be one honest, actually have 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:00.840 to be one hundred and seven. Team were saying, honest, 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:07.600 Scottie Pippen impacted winning more than Michael Jordan's. Scottie Pippen 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.400 in the first championship that everybody keeps trying to revisit 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:17.040 the history of Scotti Pippen Garden Michael Jordan's No, no, 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.119 because I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying he's a 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.919 greater player than Michael Jordan's. I'm telling you he impacted 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.240 winning more. I get it that the last shot was 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.040 Michael Jordan, because that's all you saw. Like we were 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.440 just talking about earlier when we first started, where it 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.480 was like you just remember the last shot. You don't 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:36.000 remember the thing Scotty did to make sure that team 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:38.560 could win. Now, I'm not saying Michael Jordan and do 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.600 but Michael Jordan could do what you do on a 0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:42.480 losing team and win the team in either way, it 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.440 didn't matter if Scotti Pippen had a good game, the 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.840 Bulls would win. If Michael Jordan had a good game, 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.479 you still probably have a losing season. Michael Jordan average 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.080 as a fucking rookie and he was getting whipped on 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:59.320 every other day every day. But you're not taking it 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.320 consider the fact of the other players that were on 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.200 the team of my Now he is you know, no, 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:10.480 he is. Listen, what he's saying is terrible. What he's 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.160 when he's look, look look what he's what he's saying 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.160 is this is not me agreeing or disagreeing, But what 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.040 he's saying is that the fact that pivot is a playmaker, 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:20.920 that those other people get involved in their number look better. 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.880 Jordan's can defend his ass off. Yeah, it's like Jordan's 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.000 he might get sixty points, but that's sixty points from 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.920 Michael Jordan's if he just gonna score sixty and everybody 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:34.240 else score, play defense, and all I got to do 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.000 with score between all of us eight five and we win. 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:39.520 So it's like if you just go all the in points, 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.120 but it's just you. I mean, I mean, look, you 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.520 could even go to look at Jordan with the Wizards 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.000 and Scotty with Portland. Scotty with Portland not granted they 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.480 didn't not granted that they didn't, and look and look, 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.280 Scotty didn't have the best numbers on the on the team. 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.120 But if you go back and defense on that team, 0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.000 Scotty was the best player on the team, and he's 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.360 in the player on the team. It's just say he 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:02.680 wasn't the best scorer on the team, but he was 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:07.320 the best player. Was a two way thing. She might 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.800 have She might have got you more buckets, David Sam 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:11.520 might have got you more buckets that time, but Scott 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.960 nobody and nobody was really going crazy scoring on that team. Yeah, 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:16.960 like eight team was the most points, Like Scotty probably 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.120 has four teen. Eight team is probably the most points 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.560 and If you look at the Wizards when Mike came back, 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:28.239 they couldn't make the playoffs. Traditional and Mike style Mike 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:32.240 gaverage twenty six can't go nowhere. Michael Jordan became Michael 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.160 Jordan again with the Wizards. So what was Scottie Pippen 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.080 have done with that was his team? He would have 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:41.840 took him front Listen, would have made a playoffs. You. 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.280 This is the truth. The truth is this is this 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.520 is the same conversation of score versus playmaker. Right, And 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.000 Michael Jordan's a tough because he's also a defender. He's 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.760 not just a score. He could defend his ass off. 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:58.760 Scottie Pippen was going to get more people involved and 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.840 still played the highest level of defense. That's why the 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:06.040 Bulls were successful at the highest levels with Michael Jordan's 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.600 they weren't Michael Jordan just get his numbers. He was 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:15.880 Carmelo Anthony. That might be a push, but he was 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.680 pretty close. I'm so glad you not on our show, 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.400 because I would be because if you because I'm glad 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.960 that I'm on your show and I listened to your show, 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.840 I actually listened to your show, it might have been 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.760 a bit harsh. That might have been. That might have 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.680 been a bit harsh. It might have been that I 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.400 want you to stop because I'm trying to hold my composer, 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.400 because that might have been a bit hard. So I'm 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.840 not gonna that might have been a bit harsh. I 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.800 didn't mean why would you say that, Well, this is 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:47.880 because Jordan's because Jordan's on the Wizards is the same. 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:53.360 It's points. Jordan's on the Bulls is points. Neither one 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:55.880 of them, both of them have losing seasons. He probably 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.640 won the same amount of game on the Wizards. How 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.360 many guys did he win as a Wizard. You need 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:02.560 to be stopped. I don't know who's gonna stop. Let's 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.520 just let's focus on Let's just focus on facts. How 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.040 many games did Michael Jordan win on the Wizards. I'm 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:12.760 looking at right now. Like again, I think Michael Jordan 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:17.400 is the greatest scoring guard ever. But let's stop acting 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.120 like um, the first year they were thirty seven and 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.840 forty five. That's sound like Michael Jordan record on the 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:27.360 Bulls without Scotti. That's Michael Jordan without Pippen. He was 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:35.640 the same Jordan. Yeah, both years sound like Jordan, And 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.560 tell me what Pippen was doing both of them years 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.560 with his average Western Conference finals. Yeah, with Damon Studamyer, 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:45.360 Rashi Wallace and a good in a good Portland Trail Blazzer. 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.680 Stop talking like raschi Wi Wallace was some kind of ship. 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:53.240 She was hard back then. Mighty wait wait wait wait 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.840 wait wait. Didn't that team have Clifford props on the 0:32:55.920 --> 0:33:00.920 two off the bench cliff Robinson and really he was 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:06.200 coming off the bench, I believe one on that team. Yeah, 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.040 that was the That was the like the past some 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.720 decent years. As a stretched shooter, he was thinking about 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.080 those Blazers teams. You think about those Blazers seams as 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.560 those were loky to jail Blazers, like when Pepper was 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.840 there the first year, they were looking at the ross 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.640 and make sure Pitt was there. The first years when 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.720 they lost to uh shocking them, they were fifty three 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.000 and they were twenty three. Next year they were fifty 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:29.480 and thirty two. They lost in the first round to 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.480 the Lakers. Next year they were forty thirty three, lost 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:34.440 in the first round to the Lakers. The next year 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.040 which is oh two oh three, Jordan the league fifty 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.280 and thirty two, and then the next year, everyone leaves. 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:44.600 If I'm not mistaken, Jordan there anymore, and they so 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:47.320 Jordan has never had a winning season without Scottie Pippen, 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.400 and Scottie Pippen has always had a winning season without 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.360 Michael Jordan's. This is really where you're going with this? 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.000 I mean, is it the truth? Like? Like you serious, 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.760 I'm going into the light. I'm going I'm going into 0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:01.760 the light. It is the truth. I respect you enough 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.040 not to call you a troll because I'm asking you 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.000 what I'm asking these things because is it text from you? 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.560 Just help me and understand it's not the truth. Did 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.640 Michael Jordan ever have a winning season without Scott? Now? Now, now, 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.799 I gotta get on my phone. Just slow, just slow, 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.439 just slow that path. You never had a winning see 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.360 you without drafted? Oh? Let me finish. Did Scottie Pippen 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.560 have scott winning season and making the playoffs matter to you? 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:30.800 Winning season? When it? When I think at the eighties, 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:35.000 I think it was, yeah, probably not not, Probably probably 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.319 not because because because year he got drafted. I think 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:45.000 that's when. Uh, I wonder why I wonder why I 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.640 wonder things that make you go hum, I wish I 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.239 could play that song right now. Things that make you 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.359 go home? So the first year Scotti comes in the league, 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.080 Michael Jordan wins the m VP and defensive things that 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.040 make you go home? Not to be fairly. Secondly, he 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.000 was hurt, but he was h to be fair, things 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.360 gonna make you go? No, wait a minute, but you 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.959 also discount the fact that he did break his foot. 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.920 Things that make you go? What do you mean to 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.400 make you go? He broke his foot. How many MVPs 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.919 did he win without Scottie Pippen? Bro he played two 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:18.279 seasons before Scottie Pippen came into the league. How many 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.560 vps ad he win? Okay, so listen, so let me 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.000 get this track because you're not using context to make 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.440 your argument. And that's what I'm saying. Okay, okay. How 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.080 many how many winning seasons? How many? How many? How 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.439 many winning seasons did he have without? How many winning 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.600 seasons did he have in the literally came into the league? 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.560 He lost? He was he was twenty one. The next 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:40.640 year he broke his foot, he played eighteen games. I mean, 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:42.840 what was his first year when he was twenty one? 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.879 How many games did they win when he was twenty one. 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.640 Hold on, maybe I gotta look. Sorry, I'm looking on 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:53.319 my phone. He was won thirty eight games. Um, there 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.760 they were thirty and forty four. What do you move about? 0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:00.160 It's another rookie that it was a rookie that came 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:05.200 a few years earlier and they made the playoffs at 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:07.480 thirty eight and four. That the East was trash and 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.240 the next year they in the next year made the playoffs. 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:15.880 How many games they win the next year start think 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:20.000 we'll start two the next year? How many they how 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.040 many games they win that? How many games do they win? 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:24.799 They made the playoffs every year with Scotti Pippen one there, 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:26.839 So I don't want to hear that. How many games 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.239 did they win? How many games do they haven't? Winning season? 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.480 They were never above five hundred, but they made the playoffs? Scotti, 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:35.919 has Scottie Pipper ever been below five hundred without Michael 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:40.080 Jordan's m You have to use some context though, bro, 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:45.040 But okay, okay, you're talking about championship level team. Scott 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.839 Pippen was not the best player wards. The Wizards had 0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:52.680 Richard Hamilton's Kwamie Brown, Hubert Davis, Brendan Haywood, Popeye Jones, 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.200 Christian later, Tyrone Lou one of the worst teams of 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.719 all time? Is that? Is that the right from Michael Jordan? 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:06.160 All the what what? What? What? On that team? Brown Brown? 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.120 One thing I will say here, here we go. Jerry 0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:13.640 Stackhouse before we got traded and let legal score. I 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.680 think he came to the Wizards and dropped off to 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.759 whatever the hell it was because Michael was taking the 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.480 shot that Scott Look, this is not me, this is 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.120 not me saying so the following year, So the following year, 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:29.000 for the following year had Kwamie Brown, Brendan Haywood, Larry Hughes, 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:35.120 Jared Jeffries, Christian Later, Tyron Loup, Charles Oakley, Byron Russell, 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:39.640 Jerry Stackhouse. No, look up, Jerry Stackhouse numbers before he 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:44.040 went to the Wizards, and he and that team was 0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.080 below four hundreds, and that team was below five hundred. 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:52.600 That's that's That's why I don't I'm wonder Scottie Pipper 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:56.279 impact winning more than Michael Jordan's true? Is he a 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.320 granted winner in Michael Jordan? Does he impact winning more? Yes? So, 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.320 Michael and a Blazer's team, they wouldn't have been winners, No, 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:09.360 they would have won forty two games. They would have 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:11.920 won forty games up. That's too many shots going shoot 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:13.440 too much. You don't know what else to do. The 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.720 shots going up? Bro, you got damas sodomy, She Bozzy 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:18.879 Wills Jorge first of all, Jordan would have fought them 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.839 number one. Yeah, they would have succumbed to his will 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.320 and they would played better. Now. She Wallace wouldn't She 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:35.879 Wallace would have slappy dog. You would not have would 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:37.680 have happened? You know what happened? You know how in 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.000 that commercial that they had when they're like, um, you know, 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.040 like like blurd the background out and it's and it's 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.600 Kobe dribbling involved versus Scotty and he's crossed. Scotty ass 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:47.840 up and Scotty completely go out the frame and he 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.440 throwed a lot off the shock Mike ripping Kobe and 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:52.279 they're going down and the blaze is going to the fund. 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:57.040 Scott on the table. Who would have never? You would 0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.640 have never, You would have never got to the conference front. 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:01.960 How Michael, You're never got to the conference finals without Scotti. 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:05.120 Pippen never Toby dropped fifty on Mike and a half. Yes, 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:09.520 he did it. Happened. I know you don't think Ward. 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:11.200 I know you don't think weichers. Mike would have been 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.000 able to do something with Kobe, Hm Wizard. Mike couldn't 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:17.200 do nothing Ai. That would have been fine, And they 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.160 couldn't do nothing with Mike. That with that, with that 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:24.719 blistering two a game, what do you mean that blistering? 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:30.880 That just that sun score? Hold up that sun score 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:35.240 that scuns that sun scorching. Listen, listen, we're all about 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:37.920 jealousy and y'all just don't want to come some time. 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.879 It's it's time to give credit. It's time to give 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.879 credit to Scottie Pippen because he's earned it. He get 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:50.320 his credit. Do you treat him like he's help? He 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.320 was helped. He's not that C, C and C. And 0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.360 that's the problem. He's not Magic Mad, He's not Magic Johnson. 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:01.320 Scottie Pippen was mask and team is not as important 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:05.800 as how do you what? How? What do you know? 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.640 Because Magic was you think the best player on the 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:10.920 team once he was on that team, That's not he 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:14.520 was never the best. That's that's not true. Bro. Magic 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.520 was the best player on that team once a second. 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.399 He got drafted. That's not true. Kareem one VP that year. 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:21.520 He didn't come in with the hype. Yeah, who came 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:26.160 in and wanted to come in with the hype? No, 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:28.920 I'm talking about the hype as in being better than Kareem. 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.640 He didn't come in with the hype. He was better 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:36.160 than Kareem, not the first year the Korean the moment 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:41.160 he came first. This is a lie. Kareem was an 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.920 m VP that year. The NBA literally thought the finals 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.920 was over because the man's brain, his ankle and my 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:50.520 nigga showed up and showed you what he was and 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.360 we couldn't say the best player on the team. No, no, 0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:55.120 he couldn't know. And and he didn't make an excuse 0:40:55.160 --> 0:41:00.239 that he didn't have help who magic? Yeah, you took 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.160 the finals? What you mean he took whatever he had. 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:05.440 He took whatever he had and get you a fifty 0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:09.239 piece was out there going bad? Are you talking to 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.560 me about? Come on, man? Oh wait, I want to 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:16.640 I want I want to talk about Scotty in general 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:22.840 with his back thing like you were half dead with 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:30.399 your back. Of course, PP Scotty Pipper had the best 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.680 plus minus on the team in that game. He was 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.040 a plus twelve. Granted he did not score that many points, 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:37.759 but even if you look at that game, it was 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.120 why he wants it out here. He still played solid defense, 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.320 He brought the ball up court, and he was a 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.480 reason why Michael Jordan could go out there and drop 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.040 four or four points. Can you imagine because also also 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.080 on the rated part, Harp had a bad knee in 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.480 that game. Can you imagine if Jordan has to bring 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.239 the ball up court every single play, play defense on 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.399 whoever and go score for four to four points, that's 0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:59.920 a lot. At least Scottie is there to walk the 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:05.279 ball up court defend Mike up you already we have 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.520 a many times about how Mike said he used to 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:09.800 get rest in games like all right, you know what 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.160 today up, yeah, let me let me go. If you 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.040 look at that, a lot of them shots was post ups. 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:17.759 A lot. I'm just saying he had the best plus 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.320 minds on the game. But this goes back to everything. 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:24.120 Ain't jest Scotty. You need to send Pavvy a case 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:27.280 of your bourbon and send Glasses one of your books 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:32.799 that signed, because no, because we're being honest, because we're 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:35.359 not drinking we're not drinking the Michael Jordan cool later. 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.040 It's not about not it's not about being dishonest. It 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.200 is you're being disingenuine. If you call Scottie Pippen the Hill, 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.600 he gets his credit. You just you just referenced him. 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:48.680 You referenced him as Jeffrey. He made that help Michael 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:54.200 Jordan's and the Chicago Bulls winning. He is the team. 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.000 He was never the best player on the team when 0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:00.239 he played with Michael Jordan's. What does that mean out 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:04.520 He's he's arguably I believe he's the second greatest second 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.680 option of all time after Kobe Bryant is shot because 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.279 I mean after Kareem abdulbar No, no, I disagree, because 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.960 I think Kareem would Kareem and Magic that was, like 0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.560 I said once Magic after to me, like even with 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.520 that means Kareem would be the second option Kareem was 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.279 at the end of his career. Kareem is like what 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.319 eight is to Lebron right now, Lebron number two eight 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:26.279 is the best player on the team. He's been the 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:28.720 best play on the team. The same thing with Magic. 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:31.120 That's what I'm saying. But but that, but that only 0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.719 you was not in my top two. I'm sorry, give 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:38.520 me my Kobe and Shack. But but again this is important, right, 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.840 and this is really important to focus on the facts. Right. 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.760 The facts is, Michael Jordan doesn't have a winning season 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:47.239 without Scottie Pippen. The fact that Scottie Pippen never has 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.759 not had a winning season without Michael Jordan's. And the 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.080 facts are Michael Jordan made the made the postseason three 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.719 seasons without Scottie Pippen, including a year in which he 0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:58.360 broke his foot and they were trying to tank to 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.040 get a high draft pick, and they still made the playoffs. 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.719 Michael Jordan at that same point in time was still 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:07.120 all NBA and that just tells you how bad he 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.360 was called god by the guy who was technically the 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.759 best player in the league at that point. What doesn't matter. 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:17.400 It doesn't matter, And I don't know why, and I 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:18.920 don't know why, and I don't know why he was 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:20.440 the best player in the NBA. That was a whole 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.920 another story, but we're not gonna get to that. In 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.560 the NBA, Magic Johnson was already better by that point. 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.560 I mean, I mean, I know nobody was getting credit, 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:35.080 but it's all good Magic was the best player of 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:38.480 the eighties period down so so but me saying, but 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.839 me saying, when he came in he was instantly better 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.040 than Kareem his blasphems, I'm gonna watch that because Kareem 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.479 was that niggd when he first came in. For sure, 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.320 Kreem was getting buckers now good, he got hurt and 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.000 Jordan's magic went out there and closed the door and 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.000 all that. But the door was able to be closed 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:59.360 as well. The point I'm saying is this, Scottie Pippen 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.120 impacts winning more than Michael Jordan's. It doesn't make him 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.680 a greater player. It's not a greater player than Michael Jordan's, right, 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:09.640 But the reality is he impacts winning greater. But you 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.560 say that, and then you but but you add a 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.920 butt after when you say that Michael Jordan's greatness is 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.880 conditioned up on Scottie Pippen. No, I'm telling you it 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:22.920 was great Michael Jordan winner without Scottie Pippen. And I'm 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:28.080 totally so named it so named the greatest loser probably 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:35.239 Tracy McGrady, el Jim Baylor, Alan Iverson alone is there, 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.600 so he'd be calm alone, he'd be a better version 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:41.560 of carm alone. But you and the pantheon of great players, 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.800 Carl Malone is still not the best at his position. 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:50.800 If he has been no player that has come along 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:54.080 since Michael Jordan's or before Michael Jordan. That if Michael 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.880 Jordan accumulated the same statistics and the same m vps 0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:01.560 and all that ship because mv p's only count because 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:05.600 Scotty piparts those are regular. How many MVPs did he 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.960 win without Scottie Pippen? You can't say that he was 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:12.800 in scott Pippen was drafted, of course, you mean he 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:17.080 did he win? Did he win? Did he win the envy? 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.560 Did he did he win? That's not the same, It 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.400 is the same. Clay Thompson is not Scotti Pipper. He 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.400 was not the Clay Thompson does not have the accomplishments. 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:30.359 Scotti is disrespectful. Scotti Pippen accomplished this on his own 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.399 with Michael Jordan's by his side, And Michael Jordan's only 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:38.880 won m vps with Scotty by his side. He wouldn't 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.480 win one. But you, but you can't acknowledge that Michael 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:45.120 was that Michael Jordan was was probably, if not the 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:49.160 best player, one of the best players in the league. 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:53.960 And I don't mean you win MVP. NVP is a 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.440 record bas award, but I disagree with that. It's not 0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.759 award because Russell Westbrook win the m v P when 0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:06.000 he was the sixth seed. They won his third year 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.320 stops third years. He would not have had a winning season. 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.200 But TV, but TV, but TV, but TP, TV, but TV, 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:15.920 but TV. He won one and Russ put up damn 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:19.160 made same numbers after that he won one a VP. Yes, 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.880 Mike would have got a VP because Mike is incredible. 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:23.919 He would have put up incredible numbers and somehow would 0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:25.839 have got envy. But that would have not getting six. 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:29.400 Yeah that's not no, no, look no, literally, so he 0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:36.600 wouldn't make He'd be calling alone. He'd be calling called 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:41.880 Malonel alone, Parme alone. He'd be carm alone. If you 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.640 give karm alone two rings, you understand he's the greatest 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:46.880 part for the all. If you give Karl malone Scotti 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:51.799 than Tim Duncan, you're lying a numbers across the board 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.560 and he's not great. He has better numbers. The only 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:59.240 separation is winning. He has greater numbers. Across the board 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:01.840 until I'm dunker. But I would argue that Tim duccan 0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:06.720 had better teams than Karl Malone. He didn't. I disagree 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.560 with that, didn't I disagree with that. John Stockton, John 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:14.160 Stockton without championships is better than Tony Parker. Yeah he is. 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.239 It's not, no, but it goes through. I'm talking. Stop talking. 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.279 Manu was not the reason they I don't know why 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.279 do y'all keep doing this. I get it that y'all 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:24.400 liked him. I get y'all like the euro Step, but 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.319 Manu Jobli is not. Y'all talk about him like he's 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:30.800 Scottie Pippen though no, nobody said that Scottie Pippen. If you, 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.319 if you mentioned Tony Parker in the context of being 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.719 the second option, so under the same no, I don't, 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:39.480 I don't, I don't. I don't mention Tony Parker. Listen again, 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:41.920 those are offensive questions. I don't judge basketball and that 0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:45.920 kind of intellectual second best player on the first teams, Listen, 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:50.399 the best defensiony you're talking about? Yeah, and you David 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:55.320 Robinson at first, David Robinson Parker. You can take away 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.320 the ring with Robinson. Take away the Ring with David Robinson, 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:03.520 Tim dunk, your career is still great a car a loans? No, okay, no, 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.600 if he doesn't have if they neither one have rings, 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.879 people say Carl Malone and had a greater career because 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.360 it's cool. One thousand points. Yep, they give him. That's true, 0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:22.359 It's true, true the Michael same argument argument any better 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:25.800 than Michael Jordan. We would never ever say Carl Malone 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:29.920 was the greatest power forward, no matter what he accomplished, 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:33.400 because he did. Tim Dunnan, the guy who won the 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:41.280 championship after him, Dennis Robin for me, No, yes, metrics. 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.960 Anybody you're saying Metrics did Robin should be not yet. 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:49.840 And also, this is the other thing. This is the 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:53.319 other thing. This is the other thing. Dennis Robin play 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.719 with Scotti Pippen and Michael Jordan's So why is it 0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.880 that you all automatically heap all of this credit onto 0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.759 Scottie Pippen for being the second option? We did this. 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.000 Robin was there for the second three peat. I don't 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:05.759 know if I know this I have I don't know 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:07.800 if he knows why, I don't know if you I 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:12.360 don't know if you know this hired Scottie Pippen. So 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:14.680 why are you making an argument to me about Scottie 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.680 Pippen being undappreciated, but you have Dennis Robin hired the 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:23.879 Scottie Pippen because you're talking about three NBA players ever. 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.279 But look, this funks more with your Jordan braids. Though 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:31.120 now he's really saying like, it doesn't. No, it doesn't, No, 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.680 it doesn't, it does, it does, it doesn't because every 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:37.200 guard that wins multiple championships in the NBA usually has 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:39.680 a great power forward or a center behind them. A 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:43.759 lot of me, including step and Curry, Draymond Green has 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:48.120 been right there behind him. People don't enough. But that's 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:51.040 not my point point. But my point is it's like 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:52.759 Clay coming back and be like, why ain't get enough 0:50:53.000 --> 0:51:00.520 credit for doing that? For not say that? And Robbie 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:03.200 can say that about Scottie Pippen. He has said that, 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:06.440 He has said that, a matter of fact, Michael Jordan's 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:10.840 says specifically, we don't. First off, they got bounced without Rodman, 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.320 got bounced by Shack without robbing. They go today to 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:18.760 their worst enemy. This is how cold Jordan is. Scotty 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.480 doesn't even want then it's robbing. He's like, yeah, we 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:23.879 hate this dude, Mike like funk that I got to win. 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:28.680 That shows you Mike has hell been on winning. Oh 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:31.480 but he but but without Scottie Pippen, he wouldn't have 0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:32.920 been a winner. He would have still been trying to 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:34.520 go get the best players in the league to come 0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:37.200 and play with him. Like it's disrespectful to Mike for 0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:40.239 y'all said, trying to act like Scottie Pippen is Like, 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:43.240 we're not in a situation where it's like Casey and Joejoe. 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:47.480 It's not Casey and Joejoe. Mike is Michael Jackson. Scottie 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:52.200 Pippen is whoever the second Jackson brother that was in line. No, no, 0:51:55.520 --> 0:52:03.680 Phil Jackson is Clipsy Joes. No, no, no, okay, okay, okay, 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:07.479 then okay, I got you. He's at it. No, he's 0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:13.520 Rod Temperature. You don't even know Rod Temper. He wrote 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:15.600 he wrote thriller, and he wrote a bunch of songs 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:19.680 on through Paul Michael Paul, whoa, whoa, wait what Michael 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:22.879 Jackson didn't write thriller? No he no, no, that's not true. 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:25.759 He actually no, this is the thing Mike. Mike would 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:29.279 come in with voice notes that's not true. To go 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.440 listen to the Thriller Deluxe album. I don't know how 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.040 I actually I actually, I actually know exactly that this 0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:38.839 this right up my alley, right of mine. But that's 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:41.440 the thing. But no, no, no, no, no no, let 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.319 me get this point. Let me he did. He didn't 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:49.920 write Jackson again. Michael Jackson ain't ship without Rod Temperature, 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.560 and Rod Temperature ain't ship without Michael Jackson except he 0:52:53.680 --> 0:53:01.080 had the heat. Except except except, except, except, exactly except 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:08.319 except Rod Temperton had already wrote hits. Michael Jackson didn't 0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:13.080 have hits before hits with the Jackson five, or he 0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:16.760 had knocked off Marvin Gay hits. We start Marvin Gayson. 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:18.920 He doesn't hit Marvin Gay and the rest of them 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.040 people at Motown saying everybody else song until it was 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:22.880 a hit. I'm not, I'm not. I'm just telling you. 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:27.640 Rob Temperton is responsible for the Michael Jackson we see, 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:31.160 the one that we praise. Let me let me finish, 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:35.080 let me let me finish, let me finish. He's responsible 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.719 for the way we view Michael Jackson like right now. 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:40.960 The reason we see Michael Jordan. The way we see 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:45.520 him it is because of Scottie Pippen. Without him, he's 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:49.439 Michael Jackson to the Jackson five. He's a dope thing. 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.239 We love him, the death coolest kid in the world. 0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:55.440 He did that bullshit ass movie that everybody overpraised like 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:59.320 it was really great. It wasn't. But in reality he 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.560 have been Space One great. No, no, not not. Jordan's 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:06.160 Place definitely wasn't great. But come on, Michael Jackson did 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.480 that movie as well. Michael Jackson did The Wirds. He 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:12.359 got them Wirds to Michael Nigger, same nigger. Nick Rod 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:17.000 Temverton only wrote the song Thriller, Baby d Mine and 0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:20.560 the Lady in My Life he wrote up Listen Listen, 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:27.440 though Michael Jackson is Thriller off the Wall, Michael Jackson 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:35.680 is Thriller Michael Jackson bro No, no, Michael Jackson moonwalk Michael, 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:40.480 that's stolen. That's stolen. It's not it's not him. Thriller 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.880 is him? Oh my god, No, it's my Listen. Thriller 0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:48.240 is Michael Jackson's most famous song. I've had this argument 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.920 with this van media tall before. I've had this argument. 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.799 This is his most famous song. That's his probably worst song, 0:54:55.280 --> 0:55:00.400 but it's his most famous song. Though. But but but again, again, again, 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:04.400 again again again called ship pop listen, soul listen all 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:08.000 the other ship Like, what made thriller so soulful? You 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:11.000 have to you have to ask the made thriller? So 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:14.040 it's it's not, but it's it's more than hot corn bullshit, 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.520 if it was, it's more. It's more than sold right, 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:19.160 it's more than soul like, And I'm glad you brought 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:21.920 that a soul of Michael Jackson because not the it's 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:24.719 not the salt, it's the combinations thing would have made 0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:27.480 thriller In the eighties, people would have called that ship corny, 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:29.360 the same way you call this ship a little and 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:31.440 it's still and it's still would have went platinum. But 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.040 that but that's not the soul. But that's not the 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:37.480 let's focus on. Let's let's focus on the point. The 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:41.920 point is very much Michael Jackson's calling card. It's thriller. 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:48.800 Michael Jordan's calling card is six and No. Without Scottie Pippen, 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:52.920 without Rod Temperton, the way we view the mics, we 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:58.800 would not view them. It's a fact. That's a fact. 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:02.840 If if if Jordan's Michael Jackson, then Scottie Pippen is 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:08.960 Rod Temperton and Phil Jackson is Quincy Jones. Without those components, 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:15.239 without Rod Temperton riding Thriller, Michael Jackson's greatest in signature song, 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.239 we would not see a matter of fact, you don't 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:20.400 have an album that sells forty million, you don't have 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:22.960 the title of the album. You don't have the single 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:26.120 that became the greatest, possibly the greatest song ever. You 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:29.000 don't have it. So I'm not saying Michael Jordan's or 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:32.520 Michael Jackson would have not been great without those things. 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:35.560 Michael Jackson was already great, like Jordan was great. But 0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:40.239 the way we see them is rooted and these particular 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:43.400 great men being a part, and they're not just like 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:45.560 the nigger that's the engineer. They're not the nigger going 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:49.919 to seven eleven. Rod Temperton is Rod motherfucking Temperton. He's 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.440 not some motherfucker runner the meal motherfucker. It's like trying 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:55.440 to give him too much credit without giving it the field. Again, 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.560 Let's remember Jordan's before. It's not because of the years, 0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:02.440 it's because he literally didn't impact winning as much as 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:06.279 Scottie Pippen. That's a fact. But do you do you 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:08.880 hear how far your explanation is Gonne. You've gone from 0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:12.400 equating Scottie Pippen to being where he was, and now 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:14.360 he's below than his Robin, and you compare him to 0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:17.600 Rod Temperton. I think, I think, I think Scottie Pippen. 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.120 I think Temperton has written some of the greatest songs 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.040 to ever be written in music history. No cap, Go 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:26.120 and look up his discography. He's written some of the 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:29.560 I know you know that I'm talking about people who 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:33.760 listen to this disrespect to Rod. But like the same 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:37.439 way Rod helped Mike with that one, he also wrote 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:42.200 Rock with You. He also wrote Rock with You. He 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:47.000 did Yes how that um at all the time? I 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:51.200 love it. All I'm saying is I'm not taking credit. 0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:55.080 I'm not taking credit. But it needed Michael Jackson. It 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:58.440 would have been nothing without Michael Jackson. You're missing You're 0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:03.680 you're missing missing the temper around. I'm happy you said that. 0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:08.520 My points from a very long time ago, which point 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:11.600 you said the Bulls were nothing without Jordan, the Bulls 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.200 were nothing with the bull The second part of the 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.720 Bulls wouldnt be nothing without Robbing. There would be nothing 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.680 without Cook. No, they would be, they would be. They 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:20.720 would have a winning season. There would be nothing without 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.520 Horrors Grant they have a winning season. No, they wouldn't have. 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:25.320 They had a winning season without horse grand and Michael 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.960 Jordan's if Horton they had a winning season without it. 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.640 They did have a winning sea without they that that 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:35.000 that that's actually true. They they didn't have they were 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:39.360 winning coach. This is my thing. Yeah, you you've been 0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:44.480 convenienced with your you've but bus always had two Hall 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.440 of famers on Trail Bladgers. There was a winning season 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:51.600 trail Blazer. There was a winning season, yes, but that 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.240 was a that's a team. So who is a hall 0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:57.040 of fam Because he was on the Bulls the same 0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:01.360 bros And don't stop and Adie Pippen is regarded as 0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:03.200 highly as he is because he was on the Bulls 0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:08.080 of Michael Jordan. Michael as highly as he is because 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:09.880 he was on the Bulls. So let me ask a question, 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:12.160 Let me ask a question, Let me ask you what 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:14.040 he was already He was already something. He was actually 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:16.040 just as famous Michael Jordan when he joined the Bulls 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:18.400 that's true. But the point I'm trying to make it 0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:23.479 is Michael is Michael Jackson. Is Michael Jackson the same 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:28.760 version of Michael Jackson without Rock with you and without thriller. 0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:32.600 He isn't. I'm not saying he's not an all time 0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:34.760 but I'm not saying he's not a great talent. I'm 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:37.800 telling you, was he the Michael Jackson that we talk about. No, 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:41.920 I disagree with that. He's to stop. He's not. He's 0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:44.880 not if you don't have rock with you, if you 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:50.520 don't have rock with you, bro, he's Marky Mark. You 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:55.040 have to that's so disrespectful. Marion. You act like you 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:57.640 never heard off the Wall. Mario with You was not 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:00.840 the only song off the Wall. It's the important song. 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:04.400 It's the most important songs. You get enough for one. 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:06.800 The smash that's a knockoff Marvin gay Soon that they 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.920 stole from Marvin Game, it's still not a smash. It 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:13.320 it's actually not even a great song. That's a thriller, 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:16.880 is not fired beat. It's not a smash, and what 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.680 like what universe in my living in Billy is not 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:22.439 a smash. Philly Gene is a knockoff Hall of old song, 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:26.760 I don't care if you don't care about this. Yes, 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:28.840 this is I can't go for that Hall of Notes 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:32.920 the same he's that song let me, let me, let me, 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:36.520 let me, let me finish, let me finish, let me finish, 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.520 let me, let me finish, let me. He stole their song. 1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:40.840 He didn't even re sing it. He could have just 1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:42.760 re saen the song. He actually stole it, made another 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:45.360 version of it. This is another thing. The reality is 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:49.040 without Rock with You and without Thriller, we don't see 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:52.560 Michael Jackson the same way we see him today. That's 1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:54.479 not to say he's not an all time great talent. 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:56.240 It's not to say Michael Jordan's not an all time 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:59.520 great talent without Scottie Pippen, is he the version of 1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:05.800 Michael Jordan that we talk about. Fuck No, but technically 1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:08.360 Don't Stop Till You Get Enough was a bigger song 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:12.760 than Rock with You, So that's my point, a knockoff. 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:18.520 But Michael Jackson stole made the machine run. He's not 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:22.600 Michael Jackson at album before Off the Wall and after 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.280 the Jackson fives at Off one of the biggest artists 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:32.200 in the world transition. He was flopping. Ben was a flop. 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:36.360 It was flops all in between. Quincy Jones came and 1:01:36.480 --> 1:01:39.760 helped him, man, and you're trying to take credit. Still, 1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:43.760 Jackson came, made him and then they got Rod Temperton, 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:47.360 and then we get Air Jordan's the guy that's doing 1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:52.200 space Jam the six Championships. Then we didn't have Jordan 1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:56.240 on eight seven. We didn't have him back then, I 1:01:57.000 --> 1:02:00.200 didn't have Michael Jordan. I'm not saying you have the Jacksons. 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:02.280 I'm not saying you to have I'm not saying you 1:02:02.320 --> 1:02:06.160 to have Dance Machine. I'm not saying you didn't have ABC. 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:08.960 I'm not saying you to have these fantastic songs. I'm 1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:13.240 telling you the way we view Michael Jackson is because 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:15.520 of Rock with You and Thriller. The way we view 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:18.160 Michael Jordan's is because of the Six Rings in the 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:21.320 m v ps. That is the overall idea of why 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:25.160 the country, the world sees him this way. That has 1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:29.080 no chance of happening at all without Scottie Pippen, Like 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:33.240 it has no chance at all of happening without Roy Temperton. 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:35.880 It's not going to happen. I get it. I'm not 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:38.360 saying Michael Jordan is not more important to Scottie Pippen. 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:40.360 I'm not saying in the grand scheme of things, I'm 1:02:40.400 --> 1:02:45.040 telling you what Rod Timperton did it's more important. But 1:02:45.240 --> 1:02:48.160 then what Michael Run on the album Thriller without the 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:51.320 song with before the album, the name Thriller, the run 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:53.880 he had before the song Thriller was even released, The 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:56.320 Girl is Mine with Paul McCartney, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 1:02:56.360 --> 1:02:59.200 Paul McCartney, Billy Jean beat it want to be starring 1:02:59.280 --> 1:03:02.520 something human nature, p y t like. And then Thriller 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:04.520 came out after all of that like that, and you 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:07.360 know why Thriller is bigger than all of those arens 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:10.520 the top. But it's not that. It's not just it's not. 1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:16.400 It's the reason. It's the reason it's soon, and it's 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:19.520 the reason, it's the reason Thriller so forty million. Without it, 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:25.160 it's it's purple Rain without Thrillers, Purple Rain without Thriller. 1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:30.840 It's purple rain without Thriller, Thrillers, purple ring. That's what 1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:35.840 separated him from Prince Thriller. Outside of that, outside that, 1:03:35.920 --> 1:03:39.200 Prince can make, Prince can make beat It, Prince can 1:03:39.280 --> 1:03:42.840 make Billy Jane. Prince can make the girl. The Prince 1:03:42.880 --> 1:03:44.640 can make blah blah blah. He could make all that. 1:03:44.760 --> 1:03:47.600 You know what Prince couldn't make because you know why, 1:03:48.000 --> 1:03:51.920 he couldn't dance like Michael Jackson and Thriller. He couldn't 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:54.560 hit that routine and he thought it was too corny 1:03:54.800 --> 1:04:00.120 to play a zombie. That's what made him if out 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:02.520 the Little ozact ship. You mentioned the word corny. You 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:06.640 call him corny numerous times, right, and said that it's 1:04:06.720 --> 1:04:09.680 like a pop contrived thing. If the pop contrived thing 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:13.800 that Michael Jackson does becomes popular, you can't fault the 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:16.600 artists for the thing becoming popular. When I didnt gave 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:19.720 y'all six smashes back to back to back to back 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:22.200 to back, I'm not farting, Mike. I'm not farting. I'm 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:25.440 not farting Michael Jackson. I'm telling you, I'm not. I'm 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:29.960 not ever still gave y'all like decades of smash and 1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:34.080 Michael and Michael and Michael Jordan's was scoring a bunch 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:38.320 of points, but without called a god by a guy 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:41.840 that are considered in their profession, and that is not 1:04:42.520 --> 1:04:45.880 I've been called that that's not enough. That's not enough. 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:50.000 The general public is thriller. The general public is six 1:04:50.120 --> 1:04:52.439 and so people call you a guy, which I believe 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:55.120 you're rap guy, especially West Coast rap guy. What's your 1:04:55.200 --> 1:04:58.560 NBA comparison? I bet you're not telling me a Scottie 1:04:58.560 --> 1:05:02.960 Pippen my move do Ralf man Man one of the 1:05:03.120 --> 1:05:05.160 niggas that were just like cold that niggas tried the 1:05:05.200 --> 1:05:14.640 front on. But I'm about to turn it into Ben 1:05:14.680 --> 1:05:17.040 Wilas on you niggas. I'm about to be the only 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:19.520 undrafted nigga to ever go to the I feel it 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:21.320 come on so strong. At the end of my career. 1:05:21.680 --> 1:05:23.680 I'm gonna win five Defensive Player of the Years in 1:05:23.720 --> 1:05:25.360 a row. I'm gonna have a chip or two to 1:05:25.440 --> 1:05:27.360 talk about when it's all setting done. And niggas ain't 1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:29.280 gonna never give me my credit. But I don't need 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:32.160 these niggas too, just like my nigga being like my nigga, 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:36.560 Scotty perfect O. Real niggas, Real niggas give the credit. 1:05:38.000 --> 1:05:42.040 Real niggas give Scotty their credit credit. Real niggas give 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:47.160 Scotty their credit, like real niggas give Rod Timperton his credit. Yeah, 1:05:47.200 --> 1:05:49.880 but but but Rod not running around saying y'all give 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:53.160 him like too much credit. That's because Michael Jackson ain't 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:55.360 making a documentary every two days like I did this 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:59.000 on my own a million Michael Jackson documentaries. He did. 1:05:59.080 --> 1:06:01.680 Everybody else made a Mike Game made one documentary at all. 1:06:02.920 --> 1:06:05.800 My game with that's that's try I'm fine with. That's 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:09.120 fine with Michael making the last day, Michael making the 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:13.200 last day because Lebron James making this push. Look he's 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:15.000 making this push to Lebron James. He's like, hold on, 1:06:15.080 --> 1:06:16.480 let me shut this nick down. And he trying to 1:06:16.520 --> 1:06:21.240 make my space jam d Scotty Like, damn, bro, that's 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:23.400 how you're gonna do me, like you got your own Lebron, 1:06:23.840 --> 1:06:29.760 like Michael Jordan had his own Lebron James. Not enough though, Michael, 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:31.960 what's y'all? It's like it's being but this is my question. No, 1:06:32.160 --> 1:06:36.439 it's not enough that but but but that's I don't 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:39.400 like that because when there's enough enough for these guys 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:41.240 in terms of being praised, like what do you want 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:43.760 Michael Jordan to do? For Scott? I wanted him. I 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:48.320 wanted him to make a documentary on Scottie Pippet. I'm 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:50.720 a billionaire, I'm running the hornets. Why am I making 1:06:50.760 --> 1:06:55.600 documentaries about you? About yourself? The whole team was in 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:59.720 a documentary. No no, no, that it was a Michael 1:06:59.800 --> 1:07:01.560 Jordan probably no, no, no, no, no no no, it 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:06.920 was Michael Michael. Michael Jordan's Hitler at the NBA. I 1:07:06.960 --> 1:07:10.320 think it's like Hitler bro. That Nigg is like Hitler bro. 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:12.520 And if you listen to his stories about how he 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:16.440 treated other people, he's like Hitler. I respect Heler. I 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:20.400 think Hitler is a great man, great good it means impactful. 1:07:20.520 --> 1:07:22.680 Yes he did because he drove everybody. Haler was probably 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:24.400 crying at the buck when the people can't a killing. 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:31.720 Think conspiracies that he escaped the mood to Argentina place 1:07:31.800 --> 1:07:36.120 with no uh, I believe him. Conspiracies. I mean my 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:42.080 my My point is, again, like I said, dog, Scottie 1:07:42.120 --> 1:07:45.600 Pippen is under credited. We don't see Michael Jordan the 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:48.920 way we see him without Scottie Pippen. It's impossible. It's 1:07:48.960 --> 1:07:52.560 just not gonna happen. We don't see Michael Jackson the 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:54.800 same way we see him without rope. With your thriller. 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:58.720 You just can't see it. Imagine there's no Thriller, there's 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:03.520 no Mike is Mike is Rents. You mean, so you 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:05.560 mean to tell me on the album would beat it? Right? 1:08:05.800 --> 1:08:08.520 You keep in mind the video for Thriller came out 1:08:08.840 --> 1:08:11.240 way after the song beat It. You're telling me if 1:08:11.320 --> 1:08:13.360 even that album didn't include the song thriller, and the 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:15.880 name of the album was beat It, we would be 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:20.920 looking at Mike and the same. It's not the greatest. 1:08:20.960 --> 1:08:23.800 It probably wouldn't be. When doves cries way better than 1:08:23.840 --> 1:08:30.439 beat it. Dove cries. Think princess music is subjective because 1:08:30.520 --> 1:08:33.519 I only like when doves cry, it's way better than 1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:37.519 beat It. I would that's because you were That's because 1:08:37.560 --> 1:08:39.439 you were a kid in remindy of a childhood. When 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:43.360 doves cry, anybody with ears, adult ears, anybody with adult 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:46.200 ears knows when doves cry, it's better than beat It's 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:47.800 not even close. Beat It is actually kind of corny. 1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:51.200 Tries like not one of Prince's best songs to me, 1:08:51.280 --> 1:08:53.719 like that's not my that's not in my child again, 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:57.320 it's like again the separation between Mike and Princes. It's Thriller, 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:01.840 and when doves cry. The concept of Thriller being so 1:09:02.120 --> 1:09:05.640 great and vast and much bigger than any artists had 1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:10.760 created first is when doves cry, that's the separation. Without it, 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:14.639 that's not happening. Bro. You don't see Michael Jackson without 1:09:14.880 --> 1:09:20.920 without Thriller. Dog, he's prints, argue Michael Jackson. Thriller changed music, videos, 1:09:21.200 --> 1:09:24.439 and formula, and that even gave Michael formula for when 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:27.240 he dropped videos like YO, make this Ship a Holy Then, 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:29.640 in my personal opinion, I was say he did that 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:31.599 would beat it? Though? Beat It was a whole movie 1:09:31.720 --> 1:09:35.360 he had, wasn't It wasn't a good movie. It wasn't thriller. 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:38.360 It wasn't thrilling. It was I don't even remember beating 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:42.160 no more. To be honest, he had like bloods and 1:09:42.920 --> 1:09:47.880 Thriller is the greatest. No, that's bad, that's beat. It 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:51.080 isn't it so beat? It is with Wesley Snipes. No no, no, no, no, no, 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:56.360 that's bad. Okay, either way, neither one. Either way. It 1:09:56.439 --> 1:09:58.920 wasn't that great. I remember that it wasn't that great. 1:09:58.960 --> 1:10:01.040 It was actually a corny, choreographed dancy But that's not 1:10:01.120 --> 1:10:06.880 the point. The point is Thriller Thriller is where it's sat. Yeah, 1:10:06.960 --> 1:10:08.680 but like that's still a dance people do that. That's 1:10:08.760 --> 1:10:13.160 the greatest. Listen, that's the greatest. You're missing the point. No, 1:10:13.320 --> 1:10:15.720 they don't. They're not. Nobody's climbing up a road. The 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:20.320 thing is, Thriller is the greatest music video ever ever. 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.760 That's his. The reason Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan is because 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:27.439 he's six and old. That's his Thriller. Nobody else is 1:10:27.479 --> 1:10:32.400 six and old except Michael Jordan's and and and star. 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:35.400 That is Scottie Pippen. He was a part of it, 1:10:35.600 --> 1:10:39.679 but you were Michael Jordan's. That's he's just like Rod 1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:43.040 Timperton is not Michael Jackson. But you don't have that 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:47.040 version of Michael Jackson without Rod Temperton. So can I 1:10:47.080 --> 1:10:48.800 ask you a question? This an honest question. Let me 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:50.479 here's a better question. Here's a better question for you. 1:10:50.560 --> 1:10:52.679 Ask that question. It's Rod Timperton one of the greatest 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:56.240 songwriters ever. Yeah, then no question. Scotti pimper is one 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:58.000 of the greatest small forts ever. Yeah. He wrote for 1:10:58.040 --> 1:10:59.880 the BGS and all of them ships like he wrote 1:11:00.200 --> 1:11:04.120 book Night. Rod Temperton got some ship like Dad ass 1:11:04.200 --> 1:11:06.800 Rod Timperson got some legit like my favorite Michael Jackson 1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:09.519 Rock with You, so have Rock with You was my 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:11.880 favorite Michael Jacksonson. So I'm not gonna say no. Rob 1:11:11.960 --> 1:11:15.400 Timperton wrote always in Forevor for me. But that's my 1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:19.240 personal opinion. No remember time, not even a top tim 1:11:19.280 --> 1:11:22.599 Michael Jackson record. Okay you're lying, But my question about 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:25.560 it is, if Scotty felt this way, why would you 1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:27.439 have Michael Jordan and ducked you into the Hall of 1:11:27.520 --> 1:11:30.760 fame when you was getting to all favors because they 1:11:32.240 --> 1:11:34.639 thought they was bored and doing that years ago. Mike 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:38.760 just started doing it. Mike started drigging Mike, Mike, And 1:11:38.840 --> 1:11:42.400 I mean you always Harvard this resentment for me. No, no, no, 1:11:43.000 --> 1:11:46.000 it's been over years of contriving, like Mike started drigging 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:48.200 his own cool leg We'll see. I grew up in 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:51.080 the time period. Nobody called Michael Jordan the greatest player 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:54.400 in real time until he got the six ring and 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:56.519 retired and he was like, you know what, that nigga 1:11:56.560 --> 1:11:59.280 might have been the best. That's how long it took. 1:11:59.439 --> 1:12:01.760 You gotta think magic was out with five rings, three 1:12:01.840 --> 1:12:05.080 four m vps finals, MVPs that was the most dominant 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:08.760 team of the eighties. Michael Michael Jordan didn't get the 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:12.200 credit until that six ring and he walked off the court. 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:14.560 Nigga's like, he to me, I was like, man, what 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:17.280 that was some ship we just saw. So Michael Jordan 1:12:17.400 --> 1:12:19.920 never got the benefit in real time because he was 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:23.200 always chasing the ghosts of other great players. Right, He's 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:25.439 always chasing Bill Russey, was always chasing Magic Johnsy. He 1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:28.720 was always chasing Koreem. He's always chasing those guys. When 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:30.880 he got his six ring and he walked off the court, 1:12:31.280 --> 1:12:32.880 this is from a nigga who hate him. I was like, 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:36.200 and that nigga might have been the best. That's really 1:12:36.240 --> 1:12:39.160 what happened. Nig is like it really the conversation didn't 1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:41.880 start until after. Like it's some people in real time, 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:43.640 it's like, all you he could score you know, all 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:46.719 the he could score points, but like the overall idea 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:49.519 of basketball winning and being successful. When he got that 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:51.280 six ring, nigga and he knocked that shot, that he 1:12:51.360 --> 1:12:54.200 was like that nigga might have been the best nigga. 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:56.920 So he didn't have to drink the cool and he 1:12:57.000 --> 1:13:00.160 was too busy chasing greatness. But over the year is 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:02.679 right now people was putting him up there, he's starting 1:13:02.760 --> 1:13:05.599 to fill it and now other people was threatening him 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:08.960 with other players with Lebron threatening him, right, so he's 1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:11.559 now he's like, Okay, I need to preserve my legacy, 1:13:11.600 --> 1:13:14.200 so let me make this documentary. That's the shade to 1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:18.800 somebody who I literally, who I literally needed to be 1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:22.360 who I am. They said this nigga started the documentary 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:25.639 two weeks after Lebron came back from three more exactly 1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:27.880 like he had to foot it locked away for twenty 1:13:27.960 --> 1:13:31.000 years or eighteen years, they said, the nigga Broun came 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:32.720 back from three one and it was like, yeah, let's 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:34.960 start working on this documentary because that's when niggas was 1:13:35.200 --> 1:13:37.120 and they feelings about Bron in real time like that 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:39.160 was he's the greatest, he made the greatest come back. 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:41.080 No he didn't. He's not the greatest because of that's 1:13:41.080 --> 1:13:44.040 not enough. It's not enough. So again it's one of 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:47.400 those things where Scottie Pippen does have a right to 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:52.400 be upset. And I do think the Michael Jordan's followers right, 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:55.719 like they call Lebron the bron sexuals, the Michael Jordan's guys, 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:59.519 the air Heads, the air Jordan's the air Heads. They 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.559 are live, really getting out of control and not giving 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:05.479 true credit to Scottie Pippen for what he was able 1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:07.840 to do for Michael Jordan's legacy and for the Bulls 1:14:07.960 --> 1:14:11.800 team He's not helped. He is just as important, if 1:14:11.920 --> 1:14:16.000 not impacting winning more than Michael Jordan's. He's just as 1:14:16.040 --> 1:14:20.000 important Michael Jordan player than Dennis Rodman who played with him, 1:14:20.040 --> 1:14:22.720 and Michael Jordan helped both of them win three rings, 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:27.240 the second third and the second three. But that but 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:29.720 that doesn't matter. You told me that Michael Jordan want 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:33.240 to win without Scotty, he wouldn't have won one. Okay, 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:36.960 My question is the three that Scotty gap. Let's say, 1:14:37.040 --> 1:14:40.040 let's say not a second, not a second three and 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:43.120 not a second Scotty rank at all time. If Scotty, 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:46.080 if Scotty and Mike in that three championships, Scotty taped 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:49.120 to the convert after that, where Scotty and Mike, if 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:53.920 they if he's not in front of Dr JH No 1:14:54.040 --> 1:15:04.920 not not not If they win three ja and he's 1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:10.040 a trans top five, still top three, Still that's my point, 1:15:10.200 --> 1:15:16.840 it's like he's the conversation listen is much credit, but 1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:20.280 he's not three. But why is it always about me 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:22.120 and Michael? Why is it never like Yo, he don't give, 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:24.200 he don't give. He didn't give nobody enough credit. He 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:26.280 didn't give Dennis enough credit. I never him, I never 1:15:26.360 --> 1:15:28.439 hear him put anybody because I'm not in this, bro, 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:30.439 I would do with you. The whole time I've argued, 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:35.360 I've argued that, I'm arguing. I've argued consistently they don't 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:38.479 win another title without Dannish Roban after the first three. 1:15:38.760 --> 1:15:41.800 But Scotty, whole thing is as I don't get enough credit. 1:15:41.840 --> 1:15:45.040 Why are you just because Michael fucking Jordan's should be 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:49.840 giving him because because the weed changed, Because the weed 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:56.000 changed over the time, he changed the constant. Is Scott's 1:15:56.040 --> 1:15:59.719 been the same? No, they have, They've changed the niggas. 1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:04.960 One would be j fucking arm Star. You could just 1:16:11.240 --> 1:16:15.320 be championship. It wasn't built. It wasn't building championship teams. 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:17.800 They you could plan any nigga once you have these 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:22.120 two niggas until the second. But that's that's what they did. 1:16:22.479 --> 1:16:25.360 That's what they did. They won a Championship with Luke 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:27.639 lonely but glasses. You just told me that the second 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:29.680 run and Mike went in and walking off with the 1:16:29.720 --> 1:16:31.599 final shot. Is the ship that made him the greatest 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:34.320 player in people's mind of all time. Ye if we do, 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:37.880 it's robbing. Neither of us get those other three rings. 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:42.360 And if you don't have and if you don't have 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:46.120 Scottie Pippen, then this might not Yeah, Nigga might go 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:52.120 to Orlando. You get shipped, you get nothing. I said, 1:16:52.200 --> 1:16:55.280 what about the like I said, the whole time Michael 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:57.880 Jordan was there, he was playing with minimum to other 1:16:57.960 --> 1:17:01.559 Hall of famers, the same thing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:03.519 not to our famous playing minimum one Hall of Famer, 1:17:03.960 --> 1:17:07.160 same ship with Scottie the whole time, the whole time, 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:10.000 the whole this is this is not a question. This 1:17:10.160 --> 1:17:12.320 is not a question. And other great players on the 1:17:12.400 --> 1:17:15.479 Bulls beyond Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan's no, that was 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:18.400 that's a lie. When who was it? Who was in 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:20.760 the first three When Michael Jordan, who was who is it? 1:17:20.800 --> 1:17:21.960 Who is the other Hall of Fame in the first 1:17:22.000 --> 1:17:24.400 three titles? Michael Jordan, I said, they always played with 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:28.200 one of the Hall of Famer said again, so again, 1:17:28.600 --> 1:17:31.519 right again, this is the same we're talking about Scottie Pippen, 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:35.760 who's a fucking Hall of Famer. How Kim Alajwan one 1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:37.960 without a Hall of Famer, not Michael Jordan, one of 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:40.080 them early bulls. See you know what, I'm glad you said. 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:46.600 I'm glad you said, Kim Logan jan How kim Alajuan 1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:48.800 might be the only person who won without an Hall 1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:53.360 of Famer, without another one Oscar Robinson won on the scene. Nigger? 1:17:53.479 --> 1:18:02.880 What bad? No? No, that that? What's that? What's that? 1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:06.639 Michael Jordan thinking about Luall Cinder? My bad? What's Michael Jordan? 1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:09.519 What's that? Michael Jordan? What's that? Michael George Quila? I 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:13.719 started thinking about Luall Cinder my bad? How you getting 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:18.560 us Jordan? Because talk about Kareem the whole time. So 1:18:18.800 --> 1:18:20.519 I'm thinking, hey, Mike, see him some of that sing 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:22.240 core Row because that's what he over there dragging, right, 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:26.320 they dranking the juice. That's core Row. And also that's 1:18:26.360 --> 1:18:28.080 a lie. Clyde Drexon was on one of the second 1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:33.160 time I was the second team focus. He want to 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:35.840 ring without one other Hall of fame. You know who else? 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:39.400 Want another ring without a Hall of Famer? Ben Wallace? 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:43.559 Honest to Ben Wallace, Hold up, Ben Wallace. I don't 1:18:43.560 --> 1:18:46.960 know what's gonna happen in the future. Ben Wallace might 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:48.880 make the Hall of Fame one. What does that mean? No, 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:51.720 he's not not. What does that mean? I'm just I'm 1:18:51.800 --> 1:18:54.320 just saying that's how you talk about Michael Jordan's It's 1:18:54.360 --> 1:18:57.560 not true, all right, man, he would do like like 1:18:58.200 --> 1:19:00.240 I think. But also people don't realize my scaul was. 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:03.080 Jordan's job was the score. Like his job, his job, 1:19:03.560 --> 1:19:06.040 which is why he's the greatest scoring guard ever. His 1:19:06.200 --> 1:19:10.360 job was to score. He did his fucking job. Here, 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:13.439 the greatest scoring guard ever in one of the top five, 1:19:13.560 --> 1:19:17.320 if not top three, greatest perimeter guards and perimeter defenders. 1:19:17.880 --> 1:19:21.240 I wouldn't say that. No, name five, Name five better 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:24.639 perimeter defenders? Said top five or three? I said top 1:19:24.720 --> 1:19:27.160 three or five perimeter defenders. Okay, so I'm gonna go 1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:30.840 Dennis Johnson. No, yes, no, but continue you sleep on. 1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:34.920 But that's the whole Dennis Johnson. Then it's Johnson as 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:37.080 a guard that is three blocks. Of course, I'm averaged. 1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:44.320 I'm averaged mine creef, I'm gonna bring in Fraser. He 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:48.599 did didn't have a couple of titles, but he didn't, 1:19:48.840 --> 1:19:50.080 I mean, he didn't have a player as great at 1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:52.200 Scottie pipp Yeah, Willis Reid, Willis Read was the ship. 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:55.840 And also and also they didn't give out defensive Player 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:58.200 of the Year wards, so we don't actually know what 1:19:58.320 --> 1:20:00.120 some of these people would. I think Michael Cooper was 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:02.439 the greatest, as great of a defensive guard that Scottie Pippen, 1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:05.479 I mean, excuse me as Michael Jordan exactly. You know 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:09.599 what they call it a Freudian slip. That's Freudian Scottie Pipper, 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:12.960 Scott Pipper, not a perimeter to finish to say it, well, 1:20:13.000 --> 1:20:14.840 I'm just saying it's Scotti Pipper too, because he's one 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:18.599 of the greatest perimeter fender. That's all I'm saying is, Yeah, 1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:21.519 put in respect on Coop name, showtime, respect on Michael 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:23.880 Jordan if he if he how much more respect do 1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:27.320 we got to give him? And enough to not bad 1:20:27.400 --> 1:20:29.080 mouth him just because you want to sell some to 1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:31.440 key less some liquor because you're broken. I'm a billionaire. 1:20:31.760 --> 1:20:33.760 How are we bad mouth for him to give him 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:39.080 his fucking credit. He made his Hall of fame, and 1:20:39.160 --> 1:20:45.439 I or you and you didn't like me. That's that's 1:20:45.840 --> 1:20:48.519 a little bit you did. You should have game his on. 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:52.800 You should have game his on. Fucking liquor. Scotty gotta 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:55.040 walk past this nigga statue every day like he wasn't 1:20:55.200 --> 1:21:01.719 He ain't got no sketch they put. He retired. That's 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.200 why you look. That's why you will never get another 1:21:04.400 --> 1:21:09.400 fucking championship team there you un grateful as negro. I 1:21:09.560 --> 1:21:13.360 hope we win a championship this year so you can apologize. No, 1:21:13.680 --> 1:21:15.479 damn well, that ain't gonna happen. We're gonna get a 1:21:15.600 --> 1:21:20.120 championship the next five years. You will never win it again. 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:23.160 This is the pipping curse. Until you make right, until 1:21:23.240 --> 1:21:25.280 you do right? What that what that lady say? How 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:29.360 does shi going? Uh? Color purple? Until you do right 1:21:29.800 --> 1:21:34.880 everything you say, Until you until Chicago as an organization 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:38.160 and as a city and Michael Jordans do right by pipping, 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:42.600 you will never smell another fucking ring again. Ever, the 1:21:42.760 --> 1:21:46.360 pipping curse. Put some respect on pipping that real ship. 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:51.120 I'm not gonna say some real ship the future too. 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:56.960 For that ship he did you ain't ship future? I was. 1:21:57.000 --> 1:21:58.240 I was real quick. I was at the party with 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:00.760 Piper like about two months ago. I dope. I'm like, Yo, 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:03.360 that's really my dog pit white. This ship funny as 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:06.680 hell talking to like regular niggas fo a m in 1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:08.600 the morning in the hills, I'm like, Yo, loss to 1:22:08.680 --> 1:22:12.960 go home, bro, that's why you can't wipe think Michael 1:22:13.040 --> 1:22:15.599 Jordan woman off doing that. Hell on all, I never 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:18.880 said that. Look, I never said that. We never said 1:22:18.920 --> 1:22:23.439 Scotty made the best. Obviously Scotty didn't make the best 1:22:23.520 --> 1:22:26.200 business decisions. Obviously Scotty has not made some of the 1:22:26.240 --> 1:22:28.759 best business desions in his life. But the nigga cahoo, 1:22:29.520 --> 1:22:32.240 he's not self and not any not any not selfish