1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Hey, what's up. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. This is episode seventeen 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: and it's a very special one. 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm Katie Wu, He's. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: Trevor Rosenthal, and our very first guest interview in the 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: long two month history of our podcast is Saint Louis 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: Cardinals manager Alie Marmel. 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: We are so excited you are here, Oliver. How are you? 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 3: Thanks for doing I'm doing no, absolutely, I'm doing well. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 3: How are you guys doing. 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 4: Great? Yeah? 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 5: I mean talking to the manager of the Saint Louis Cardinals, 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 5: my favorite baseball organization, and you know. 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: You get to talk to me every Monday. 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, I get you know, that's the advantage here is. 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 5: You know, Allie and I we have a close relationship. 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 5: I have a tremendous amount of respect for you. And 18 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 5: we actually talked about a week ago and we're talking 19 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 5: about you know, this is your nineteenth spring training. 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 4: You've been man a lot of success. 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 5: You've done an incredible job as in the Saint Louis 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 5: Cardinals organization specifically, So congratulations. 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 4: Man. 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 5: I don't want to I don't want to overlook that 25 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 5: because that's that's not very common. You've you've been around 26 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 5: getting comfortable. I think one of your strengths, and and 27 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 5: this even speaks to our relationship, is is your your 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 5: ability to make feeld players feel like they're they're they're 29 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 5: they're scene right, and that you that you really just 30 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 5: care about them, and and that seeps over into your 31 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 5: personal life. But in the position that that you're in 32 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 5: as the manager, I think when I when I think 33 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 5: of the Saint Louis Cardinals and the guys in that clubhouse, 34 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 5: I know that. 35 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 4: They that they feel that. Besides that, in your nineteen years, 36 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: what do you what do you think? 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 5: What do you think there is to improve on? What 38 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 5: are you looking to to do better this year? 39 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: Man? 40 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 6: Personally, every off season you go through a list of 41 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 6: like what do you what went well? 42 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: What didn't you know? And there's there's plenty to improve on. 43 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: We did some things well as a staff. 44 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 6: But when I look at you just mentioned the couple 45 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 6: of things that stand out to you, those are actually 46 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 6: things I want to continue to get better at, Man 47 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 6: because like as the bench coach, if I'm being honest, 48 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 6: you are the mediator between the manager and the players. 49 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: You're constant, You're in constant communication with them. You have 50 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: a little bit more time. 51 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 6: To build those relationships, and then you become the manager 52 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 6: and it's a lot of your time goes to kind 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 6: of media and doing press conference and doing a lot 54 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 6: of things and on that side of things that you 55 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 6: don't have that responsibility as a bench coach. So what 56 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 6: I want to get better at is creating space in 57 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 6: my schedule where there's nothing. 58 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: I tend to book things like back to back to 59 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: back to back and just like go from one thing 60 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: to another, player. 61 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 6: Meetings, staff meetings, medical, and I'm starting to create space 62 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 6: in the schedule where I just have nothing, like absolutely 63 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 6: nothing booked and it allows me to spend time with guys, 64 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 6: whether that's a staff member, a player, or just an 65 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 6: opportunity that presents itself where I don't have to move 66 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 6: anything my schedule. 67 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 3: I can just be present, Right. 68 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 6: So I think the better I get at that relationally, like, 69 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 6: I think it's it's a good thing for everybody. 70 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: So I'm trying to improve at doing nothing. 71 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,559 Speaker 4: Yeah. 72 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 5: No, I mean I think it's interesting you kind of mentioned, 73 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 5: you know, going from your role as as a bench 74 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 5: coach to now a manager. I imagine those two things are 75 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 5: completely different. 76 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: And uh, I mean what are. 77 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 5: What are some things that you've kind of learned along 78 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 5: the way in terms of like your your coaching philosophy 79 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 5: or or leadership that that has really affected the way 80 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 5: that you manage. 81 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, over communicate is always a good thing. Making sure 82 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 6: that players are never guessing where they stand. At times 83 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 6: you can assume that players know something or that they 84 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 6: know how you feel, but being able to express that 85 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 6: in a way that's meaningful. I think my personality tends 86 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 6: to be fairly direct. I just think it's easier to 87 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 6: do life that way. But what I've gotten better at 88 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 6: is understand that that's not everybody's form of communication, right 89 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 6: and at times like I have to take a step 90 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 6: back and put myself in the shoes of that player, 91 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 6: that staff member and how I communicate. So yeah, man, 92 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 6: I think that's the name of the game, is being 93 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 6: able to actually be honest with yourself and like, man, 94 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 6: what do I do well? What do I don't do well? 95 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 6: And how can improve on those things? And that's what 96 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 6: the off season's for. And you have to have people 97 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 6: in your life that will just shoot you streat as well, man, 98 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 6: like just tell you what you're missing, what your blind 99 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 6: spots are, and that's always a plus. 100 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: Oliver. 101 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: I think we've talked about this a lot during the 102 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: seven days of camp. This is a difference from training, 103 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: but different doesn't necessarily mean bad. But when you're looking 104 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: at the transition for phase is what John Mozailac likes 105 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: to call this, and you're looking at the overall youth 106 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: in your clubhouse, what's different for you as a manager 107 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: and how you're approaching this year? 108 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 6: Man, I think that space I'm talking about where I 109 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 6: have nothing in my schedule, just being able to spend 110 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 6: more time with those guys. Our staff is really emphasizing 111 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 6: making sure that these guys don't. 112 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: Care about them, that we're here point we have their. 113 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 6: Back, and with these young guys, they're gonna have times 114 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 6: where it just doesn't go their way and how they 115 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 6: respond to that's going to be important. So being able 116 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 6: to give them the tools to handle those situations before 117 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 6: they happen, it's going to be important. So that's the 118 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 6: biggest difference is understanding we don't have a ton of 119 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 6: veterans in there, and that just allows the staff to 120 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 6: be a little bit more active when it comes to 121 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 6: the things that you would rely on the veterans to do. 122 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 6: So it's to your point, it's different, but different doesn't 123 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 6: in any way mean bad. 124 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm really looking forward to the year. 125 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's. 126 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 5: I like, you know, there's a strong veteran core, you know, 127 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 5: especially with the starting pitching. 128 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: You know we have. 129 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 5: I I'd be it'd be a shame to bring up 130 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 5: the Nole and Aeronauto situation because it's so fresh. But 131 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 5: the reason I really am interested to bring it up, 132 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 5: and you've been kind of we've been talking about. 133 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: This so far. 134 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 5: Early in the episode we're talking to Olie Marmele on 135 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 5: Cardinal Territory, part of the Foul Territory Network. But you're 136 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 5: talking about the clubhouse and the culture and of course 137 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 5: you know saying those Cardinals just a lot of rich tradition. 138 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 5: We talk about the Cardinal way, doing things the right way, 139 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 5: playing baseball the way it's meant to be played. And 140 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 5: the reason I bring up Aeronaudo is because you look 141 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 5: around the league, look around the Baseball League, look around other. 142 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 4: League sports teams. 143 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 5: Players in his situation don't always handle it as gracefully 144 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 5: as he has. 145 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: He's come in. 146 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: Man, he's been a true professional, and I just want 147 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 5: to give him a lot of credit, a lot of credit. 148 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: I know, I know that doesn't happen solo. I know 149 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: that's not just him. 150 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 5: I know you've said you've had conversations with him consistently 151 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 5: throughout the offseason, and then I'm sure in preparation for 152 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 5: the media scrum on the first day that he arrived, 153 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 5: you know, there was some work that was done ahead 154 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 5: of time. So you know, I just want to point 155 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 5: that out because it could have gone a different way, 156 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 5: and I know for someone in your shoes, he probably 157 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 5: makes that a lot easier. So we can talk about him, 158 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 5: we can talk about the veterans in the starting rotation. 159 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: But I was worried zero, right, Like, I'm just being honest. 160 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 6: He's a pro, so I know a lot of questions 161 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 6: were asked leading into his arrival, like, man, is it 162 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 6: going to be awkward? It's not like Nolan's a pro, 163 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 6: And as soon as he walked in like it was 164 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 6: business as usual. I mean, this is a guy that's 165 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 6: a high competitor that makes other people great, so having 166 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 6: him come back and walk through those doors was awesome. 167 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: Man. 168 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 6: I was happy to kill him a hug and welcome 169 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 6: him into camp and get this ball rolling, But I 170 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 6: think it was made a little bit more of a 171 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 6: big deal than what it kind of turned out to be, 172 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 6: is especially within the walls, you know. 173 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think again it goes back to how 174 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: the communication was handled, and Nolan is very similar to 175 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: you just be straight up with him, and I like 176 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: what you said when he came to camp. You have 177 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: a one of the best third basemen in this generation, 178 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: a future Hall of Famer walking through the camp. Why 179 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: wouldn't you be excited? And now your job maybe gets 180 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: a little bit more difficult. And this is not to 181 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: suggests that Nolan Arnatto coming back to the Cardinals is 182 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: a bad thing. 183 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone is saying that. But what you're now. 184 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: Managing, and this is something you and Mo have alluded to, 185 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: is you need to go back and figure out how 186 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: the opportunity and runway exists for giving those young players 187 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: the opportunities that you want them to And I'm wondering, 188 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: from your perspective, how difficult is that going to be 189 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: in spring? And what excites you about the challenges that 190 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: lie ahead and figuring that out. 191 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 6: It's gonna be tough. I mean, I'll be honest with you. 192 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 6: The math does look different, and that's not a bad thing. 193 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 6: It just looks different and you have to account for 194 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 6: some different things. Now that Nolan's our third baseman. 195 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: That's a good thing. Now we have to figure out 196 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: who it impacts the most and how we're going to 197 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 3: kind of give at bats to the rest of the 198 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: group in a way that's meaningful for the long play 199 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: that we've all talked about. 200 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 6: So part of this might figure itself out as we 201 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 6: get through camp. Hopefully we stay healthy all the way throughout, 202 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 6: and some tough decisions have to be made. But I 203 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 6: like the fact that we have some options and we'll 204 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 6: talk through it the closer we get and we'll make 205 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 6: a decision that makes sense. But at the moment, just 206 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 6: let them play and see where it leads. 207 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 5: So, you know, as a as a pitcher, I'm biased. 208 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 5: You know, we were just into a couple of days 209 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 5: of full camp, but it's been pictures and catchers, And 210 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 5: there's reason pictures and catchers arrive a week earlier. We're 211 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 5: pretty important, right, Like, I mean, you could say that 212 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 5: we got to get our extra. 213 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: Work in and get our talking for sure. 214 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a picture and and when I look at 215 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 5: when I look at the catching situation for this team 216 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 5: this year, it's it's really the first time and maybe 217 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 5: I don't know, thirty years to go all the way 218 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 5: back to Metheeni, you go back. You know, we had 219 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 5: we had Yati and then Wilson Contreres, like three veteran 220 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 5: guys that have been at the helm of this organization 221 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 5: for a long time, and this year we have guys 222 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 5: that aren't necessarily veterans, And so I'm just interested, you know, 223 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 5: from from the catchers that you've had in camp so far. 224 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,479 Speaker 4: Obviously there's paid Pijes and Herrera. 225 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 5: But you know, what does the support look like for 226 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 5: them to be able to grow into this role? 227 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 6: Dude, they're really good at what they do. Like you, 228 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 6: they're they're different as far as what they bring to 229 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 6: the table. But you look at Paz, this is a 230 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 6: guy we talked about it a couple of days ago. Man, 231 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 6: he comes through the minor leagues. He's somewhat sloppy with 232 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 6: his diet and just the way he goes about it, 233 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 6: and he makes a change to really tighten those things 234 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 6: up and take his career serious. Knowing that man like 235 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 6: I need to give myself the best shot to be 236 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 6: a big leader, and he makes certain adjustments and he 237 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 6: gets that opportunity and he gains the trust of the staff. 238 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 6: He gains the trust of the pitching staff to the 239 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 6: point where you trust him in any game situation with 240 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 6: the game on the line like that he is prepared 241 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 6: enough to call what needs to be called. He takes 242 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 6: ownership over that. His preparation is incredible. So credit to 243 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 6: him for the work put in Herrera, another guy who 244 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 6: has matured a ton over the last couple of years 245 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 6: when it comes to the way he prepares for a 246 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 6: game and starts to understand his pitching staff, understands the 247 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 6: opposition and how to bring those two together based on 248 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 6: game situations. So they both have made tremendous leaps and 249 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 6: it allows us to make the move with Wilson in 250 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 6: order to keep him healthy and playing one sixty two 251 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 6: over the first in DH. 252 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: And give these two young guys a shot. 253 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 6: But yeah, do they have the experience in the years 254 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 6: of a Matheni or the odd or any of those 255 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 6: guys now, But we're planning for the future and these 256 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 6: two guys are going to play an important role in that. 257 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: Ollie I want. 258 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: There's a lot I want to get into specifically about 259 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: your managerial style and what is going to change or 260 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: if anything's going to change. 261 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 3: So this was going to be fun. 262 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: It is fun. Let me tee it up. You are 263 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 264 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: Now I'm all frazzled for the worst part of the show, 265 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: which is the ad reed. So before we get into this, 266 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: this is literally what I'm so bad at. Every episode, 267 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: we need to hear from our friends at Arena Club. 268 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 7: H Todd Father, remember the good old days when we 269 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 7: would have the cards and the binders, but then they 270 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 7: get all messed up and we're trying to sell online 271 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 7: and it's just real clunky. 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But they also do like really good work. 299 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: Man. 300 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 6: We invested in it a couple of years ago. The 301 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 6: founder CEO is an incredible dude. Their team is awesome, 302 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 6: but they're doing some really good work with a lot 303 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 6: of the money that comes in. 304 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 3: And we wanted to be a part of it. 305 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 4: So what's it called? 306 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: Once upon a Coconut? 307 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: I actually had it recently. 308 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 5: Our friend Andy gave me one incredible, delicious. I'm a 309 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 5: fan of coconut coconut water already, sprinkle in a little 310 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: bit of carbonation and caffeine even better. 311 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: I love it. We need to have you done some ads. 312 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: I love it. 313 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: Whichever you should do. 314 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: The ag read that was so much better than anything 315 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,479 Speaker 2: I've done in like our fifteen episodes. 316 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. Trevor was just showing me up. 317 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: All right, OLLI, let's get into it, because I do 318 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: think this is interesting, and I think this is something 319 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: that fans don't offully get to see the side of you. 320 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: But you are one of the most accessible and often 321 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: insightful managers in the game. I mean, there are multiple 322 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: times over the course of the season where I go 323 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: into your office after. 324 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: A game and I'm not seeing something and you. 325 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: Let me know. 326 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: But you then take the time to really explain things 327 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: from your perspective and your point of view, and it 328 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: just makes so much sense. And I think Cardinals fans, 329 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: especially who have that baseball knowledge and that that desire 330 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: to know everything about the game, could really appreciate that. 331 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: So for the last three years we've seen your managerial style. 332 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: Something that I think you do really well is manage 333 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: the versatility. 334 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: In your lineup. We saw that a lot last year 335 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: when you had to. 336 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: You know, the offense wasn't performing, so you're trying to maximizing, 337 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: maximize what you could get out of each day. The 338 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: bullpen use last year was excellent. This year, though, you're 339 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: in managing not just to win the game that day, 340 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: but to maybe put the foundation of the future in perspective. 341 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: And how does that change for you? 342 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: It will be different. 343 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 6: It'll add a layer of difficulty, but in a good way. 344 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 6: And to your point, I don't think I've done a 345 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 6: good job of that. When I think about explaining certain 346 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 6: things to the fan base or communicating in a certain way, 347 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 6: I think I do at more in private, and then 348 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 6: people just see the quick two minute presser at the 349 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 6: end where it's just kind of sometimes little heated, sometimes 350 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 6: just answering and keeping things short, but doing a better 351 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 6: job of like explaining the why I think is important. 352 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 6: But to answer your second question, it's it will be 353 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 6: different because you're wanting to make. 354 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: Decisions to win a game, but you're also thinking about the. 355 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 6: Long game here of setting the foundation for some of 356 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 6: these young guys to gain experience and fail succeed and 357 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 6: fail again, but to know what that feels like in 358 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 6: order to have that experience, you know, So there's decisions 359 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 6: that will be made that are long term decisions that 360 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 6: in the short term may not make the most sense. 361 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 6: And that's a bigger conversation that will have as we 362 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 6: get closer to campus to what do those areas look 363 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 6: like when it comes to pinch hitting and what it 364 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 6: looks like the leverage innings. 365 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: The starting rotation. So I think there's a lot of 366 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: questions that. 367 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 6: Aren't completely answered just yet, and they're not supposed to be. 368 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 6: As we get closer, I think you start to define 369 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 6: that and bring more clarity to it. 370 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: So that's where we're at at the moment. 371 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of piggybacking off of that talking about just 372 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 5: your your your managing style. And you know, analytics have 373 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: become a big part of the game, and and for 374 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 5: good reason. I mean, anytime we're making decisions, more information 375 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 5: is better, and analytics have have found a way to 376 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 5: be very accurate with the information that we get. 377 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 4: And so, you know, I'm just wondering. 378 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 5: You mentioned like the bullpen and pinch hitting decisions, how 379 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 5: do you balance analytics versus. 380 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 4: Just your you know, in game gut feeling. What does 381 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: that look like? 382 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's funny because I get hammered by like 383 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 6: the traditional fan for being too analytical, and then by 384 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 6: the analytics teams for being too traditional. So it's it's 385 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 6: it's a sweet lose lose. But here's the way I'll 386 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 6: answer that. I want as much information as possible when 387 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 6: I'm making the decision, and I mean like as much 388 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 6: as possible, Like I want to be the one to 389 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 6: filter through it and figure. 390 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: Out what is useful, what is actionable. 391 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 6: So I asked my group, whether that's the baseball development 392 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 6: team or our coaches, to just give me. I mean, 393 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 6: just dump all info and allow me to kind of 394 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 6: see the game, know the player. 395 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 3: And make a final call on it and whether it 396 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: works or not. That's baseball. 397 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 6: But having a good blend of that is important. Like 398 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 6: having the right inputs as far as what you're using 399 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 6: in order to make. 400 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: A decision is important. So when people say I just 401 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 3: use my gut, like, I call bs on that all 402 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: day long, Like. 403 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 6: You have enough experience that you've seen this work over 404 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 6: time or not work over time? Right, But I think 405 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 6: we all if we're making financial decisions, business decisions, baseball decisions. 406 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 6: We want as much input as possible before we go 407 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 6: ahead and say this go with and making a bullpen 408 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 6: decision is no different. Am I watching the game, reading 409 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 6: the player, knowing how they handle pressure, knowing how they 410 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 6: will bounce back if this doesn't go. 411 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 3: Well or it does go well. 412 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 6: Like you're there's so many things you're thinking about when 413 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 6: you're making. 414 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 3: One decision, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. 415 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Katie. 416 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: Sorry, well, I think you know. 417 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: It's a lot about the analytics and the information, and 418 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: it's also about the staff you have in place. And 419 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: the Cardinals want to go back to a draft and 420 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: develop club. Right We've heard Buildwit Junior say that exact phrase. 421 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: When you look at your coaching staff right now, and 422 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: this is not a coincidence. 423 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: You have an. 424 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: Entire major league staff full of player development experience. Now, 425 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: in years prior, we've had these conversations the major leagues 426 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: are not for developing players. But this year, in order 427 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 2: to get you guys back on track long term and 428 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: bring back winning baseball and the culture to Saint Louis, 429 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: you need to develop in the Major leagues. How do 430 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: guys like you Pop Warner, Stubby Clapp who you know, 431 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: you all him up together through the minor league system 432 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: as coaches. Then you add someone like Daniel descalso or 433 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: you bring in John Jay and who have real time 434 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 2: experience and going through the Cardinals minor league system as 435 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: players and then coming to Saint Louis and being a 436 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: part of a championship club that won a World Series. 437 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 2: How is the staff this year positioned to start that 438 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: next mold of next players. 439 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 6: The quick answer is that each one of these staff 440 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 6: members is extremely passionate about teaching, and that's important, Like 441 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 6: that is where they find they're like why, like I 442 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 6: love teaching, and you go up and down that list 443 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 6: and they all feel that way. But I want to 444 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 6: be super thoughtful and who we brought. 445 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: In and why we were bringing them in. 446 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 6: And when you look at our staff to your point, like, 447 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 6: it's guys that love player development, that aren't just leading 448 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 6: on their plane experience to teach or regurgitate what they 449 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 6: used to do, but they are truly like seeking what's 450 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 6: the best way to reach a player and with what 451 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 6: info and drills? 452 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: And it's just the staff we have right now I 453 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: absolutely love them. 454 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 6: Like you watch these guys work even today, I'll sit 455 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 6: in there watching John j do outfield drills with our guys, man, 456 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 6: and the relatability is there, and the drill just I 457 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 6: just feel really good about the direction where that's headed. 458 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 6: Daniel's super relatable and how he approaches the game and 459 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 6: players and guys love him. 460 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: Brent Brown, I mean, just a preparation maniac. We had 461 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: a meeting today, and just the way he addressed the. 462 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 6: Guys and what he finds important and how he's bringing 463 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 6: the group together as. 464 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 3: One is awesome. 465 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 6: So you want guys that are seeking out every single 466 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 6: opportunity to maximize these players' careers, right, Like, can you 467 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 6: cultivate an environment where these players will start to do 468 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 6: things they didn't even think it was possible. 469 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 3: And when you do that right, that's a heck of 470 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 3: a lot of fun. It really is. 471 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 5: I'm I'm getting pumped up just hearing you talk about it, 472 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 5: because I agree. I mean, I played with John Jay, 473 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 5: I played with Daniel Descalzo. 474 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: I've talked about them a lot. 475 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 5: I mean, you speak of outfield drills, there was no 476 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 5: better guy at getting work in during batting practice or 477 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 5: or prior to the game than John Jay. I mean 478 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 5: the stuff that he was doing in the outfield, coming 479 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 5: up with creative ways and and intentional, purposeful drills for 480 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 5: him to get better, and you would see it payoff 481 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 5: immediately in the game. And as a team, we're a 482 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 5: beneficiary of that. So I'm I'm super happy that Jay's 483 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 5: in there. 484 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 4: Uh. 485 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 5: And and and then also Scoals, I mean, Skoles is 486 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 5: a team first guy. And and man, you guys have 487 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 5: such a We're lucky to have the core and and 488 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 5: you know, we talk about like this transition year. It's 489 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 5: a it's obviously a different time. But I've said it 490 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 5: before and I'll say it again. I mean, anything positive 491 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 5: that happens this year, Ali, like you should get full 492 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 5: credit because this is this is a tough uh landscape 493 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 5: to navigate as a manager when when there's things happening, 494 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 5: thing is changing at a high level with the organization. 495 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 4: So man, I'm excited. 496 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. 497 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, man, like you 498 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 6: want to like if I'm thinking five years on a row, 499 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 6: seven two years down to row, ten years on the road, 500 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 6: like what's going to be most important. It's just carrying 501 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 6: ourselves in a way where that staff really knows that 502 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 6: we care about them and you allow them to do 503 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 6: their job. 504 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 3: We hired Brandt for a reason. 505 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 6: We hired Jay for a reason, Like these guys are 506 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 6: in these positions. Dusty I mean, came from Duke, comes over, 507 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 6: holds a position under the current pitching coach, and then 508 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 6: gets the job. Like these dudes are innovative, they're thoughtful, 509 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 6: they care, they're knowledgeable. 510 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: Let them do their jobs and let them know that 511 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: you have their backs, and then be there for the player. 512 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 3: They're gonna be ups and downs this year. 513 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 6: Man, as long as they stay confident because they know 514 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 6: that you care, then we keep moving. So I give 515 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 6: a lot of credit to that staff man because they're 516 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 6: the way they're preparing right now. I wish you guys 517 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 6: could sit in the room and just watch everything that 518 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 6: goes into it in the hour of meetings that we 519 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 6: have starting at five point thirty in the morning before 520 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 6: the players get here at seven or eight, like it's 521 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 6: cool to watch, and then you see it play out 522 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 6: or the course of a two to three hour practice 523 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 6: and then you deep reef, what did we suck at 524 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 6: today as a staff? 525 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 3: What drills didn't go well? What did we do well 526 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: as a staff and players? 527 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 6: And then you man put it all together and they're 528 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 6: downstairs as we speak right now, it's three o'clock. 529 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: They're down there prepping for tomorrow's practice, right, and then 530 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: we'll get here again at five o'clock and ramped this 531 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 3: baby up again. So a lot of credit to that group. 532 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of respect for what you guys do. 533 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 5: Thanks for getting thanks for giving us a little peek 534 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 5: behind the curtain talking about like the transition, and I'm interested. 535 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 5: You know, we're coming off maybe a couple of days ago, 536 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 5: full camp, and to start off the camp, at least 537 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 5: in my experience, there's always that first day where it's 538 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 5: like closed doors. 539 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 4: The GM, the owner, you you get. 540 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 5: Up and you address the team, and it's closed doors 541 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 5: for a reason. Right, we don't deserve to know everything 542 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 5: that goes on, but just you know, in terms of 543 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 5: this transition and your messaging to the team, like what 544 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 5: what what is. 545 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 4: Your message to this to this clubhouse right now? 546 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, this was the first year where I kept that 547 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 6: room even smaller and my message was fairly short, succinct, direct. 548 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: And it will stay in that clubhouse. 549 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 6: But uh, Yeah, I'm excited about our group. 550 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 3: Man. I think they're thinking about this the right way. 551 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 6: And I say that I'm talking about the forty man 552 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 6: non roster, but everybody that was in there, the coaching staff, 553 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 6: the guys that are coming from the minor league's coaching 554 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 6: staff that are helping us. It was just I think 555 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 6: guys are in the right mindset and are approaching this 556 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 6: the right way to build something that's truly lasting. 557 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 3: That's the way I would put in. 558 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Olie, what does excite you about this year? 559 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: Your question? Trev he. 560 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: Really good at this? You know what else is good 561 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: at this? 562 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: Discalso I've Eparham with so many qui and I didn't 563 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: get one single answer, but he sounded really good. So 564 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: whatever you guys are practicing in your media training, it's working. 565 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 4: We tried to butter him up, Katie. 566 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 5: We spent twenty five minutes buttering him up to get 567 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 5: on the inside, and he was yeah. 568 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: He's just like, no, all right, it got to be better. 569 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: At Trevor, this is bad. 570 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 4: Oh well, I mean okay, so like just a fun question. 571 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 4: Let's let's make it fun. 572 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 5: Okay, if you could pick one cardinal player, one former 573 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 5: cardinal player in their prime to add to this roster. 574 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 4: Who would it be and why. 575 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: In their prime? 576 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 4: In their prime? 577 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: I'm going with ap. 578 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: Okay, I mean we kind of saw that, We kind 579 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 2: of saw what that looked like in twenty twenty two. 580 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, him and his prime is pretty special and 581 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: I just love him. I love having him around. So that, Yeah, 582 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: having him in twenty two was cool. It really was. 583 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: It's one of the highlights of. 584 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 6: Just seeing the ups and downs of that season, man, 585 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 6: and the conversations that took play and then seeing them 586 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 6: go on that run. I was able to talk to 587 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 6: them two days. 588 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: Ago or so, and man, I just I loved everything 589 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 3: that happened that year. That was pretty cool. 590 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 4: All right, Well how about this? 591 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 5: How about I'm a you know, I lived in Saint 592 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 5: Louis for eleven years, very near and dear to my heart. 593 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 5: All all all of my kids, my three daughters are 594 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 5: all born in the city of Saint Louis. Have a 595 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 5: lot of close relationships and friends there. It's a great city, 596 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 5: great baseball town, but just great city, a lot of diversity, 597 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 5: things to do, great food restaurants. What's your favorite part 598 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 5: about managing the Saint Louis Cardinals, that. 599 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 6: The city only cares about the Saint Louis Cardinals, and 600 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 6: that's no disrespect to anything else that's happening in this city. 601 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 6: But that's what this city is about. Like the Cardinals 602 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 6: are truly like. 603 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: Part. 604 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 6: Like it's it's what matters, right. So I love the 605 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 6: responsibility of carrying that, Like I don't take that light 606 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 6: at all. Yes, is it fun. Do I have a 607 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 6: good time, But it's there's weight to that. And I 608 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 6: love the fact that you wake up every morning during 609 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 6: the year and there's some real accountability to doing it well. 610 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 6: And if you're not doing it well, it sucks and 611 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 6: people will hate you. 612 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: And if you're doing it well, they like you. 613 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 6: I willn't get to love you, AND's I think you 614 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 6: get they love you once you win a World Series, 615 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 6: but they like you they tolerate you if you're winning, 616 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 6: you know. But I love that responsibility and that back 617 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 6: and forth because it's I mean, I don't think I 618 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 6: would do this in a city where there wasn't that accountability, 619 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 6: Like it just wouldn't get me excited enough to do it. 620 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 6: So being able to do it in Saint Louis and 621 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 6: I know nothing else, but Saint Louis. Right to your point, 622 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 6: it's the only place I've ever been as a player, 623 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 6: minor league, staff member, all the way through to hold 624 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 6: the seat today. But that's the fun part. It is 625 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 6: being out with my family and someone stops you and 626 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 6: tells you how much they appreciate, like what you're doing 627 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 6: for the city, whether it's off the field or on 628 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 6: the field, like those type of things. 629 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 3: That's that's the cool part about it. 630 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: Well to that point, Olie, we're almost at time here, 631 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: but I think this one's important. 632 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: I know, time flies when you're having fun, right, Okay. 633 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: I am having fun. I'm smiling the whole time. 634 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: You are you are. What's your message to the fan 635 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: base this year? 636 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is different, right, and we've 637 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: talked about the expectations here. This team can still win, 638 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: it's just not really set out in the way. You know, 639 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: they didn't spend in the off season, a lot of 640 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: uncertainty about what the transition is going to look like. 641 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: But for this year, what's your message to the fans? 642 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, Like when I think about Saint Louis, when I 643 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 6: think about what the norm is, the difference is this 644 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 6: play on youth right, like it is, it is going 645 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 6: to be a youthful team. It'll lack some experience to 646 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 6: the degree that we've seen in past years. That's different, 647 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 6: but that's that's that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. 648 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 6: And I think what's going to be important and I'll 649 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 6: find a better way to kind of articulate this, but 650 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 6: it's it's filling up that stadium regardless of what's going on, 651 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 6: so that these young players know what it feels like 652 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 6: to play in Saint Louis, so they understand what it 653 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 6: feels like to play in front of like Cardinal Nation. Right, 654 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 6: So if I'm a Burlson, and if I'm a Mason Wynn, 655 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 6: if I'm a Jordan Walker, if I'm a Herrera, like 656 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 6: you go down that list of young guys like I 657 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 6: want them to feel. My first time experiencing it was 658 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 6: in two thousand and eleven. They flew Amber and I 659 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 6: prior to having kids, to the World Series and we 660 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 6: sat in the stands and it was incredible. I mean 661 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 6: it's a drug, like you literally sit there in the stands. 662 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 6: I remember looking around and this place was going wild 663 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 6: towels every I mean, it was just nuts and I 664 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 6: remember looking at my wife like this is all I want, 665 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 6: like this, this is what it's about right here, like 666 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 6: I want to I want to do this, and it 667 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 6: makes you strive for that exact thing, right so when 668 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 6: you hold this seat now, I want them to experience. 669 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: That version of Cardinal Nation. We're shooting for that, playing 670 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: for this style of fan base, packed house, that excitement, 671 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: that energy because it's an exciting group and they're hungry. 672 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 3: Are they going to make mistakes? Absolutely, but these guys 673 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 3: are hunger to leave. 674 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 6: Their mark on this franchise, and I think we're going 675 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 6: to see a decent amount of them do exactly that. 676 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 677 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: I'm fired up, and honestly, in six weeks, which will 678 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: fly by, maybe not for you since you're waking up 679 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: at four in the morning every day, I'm excited to 680 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: see what opening day is going to look like. I 681 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: you know, opening Day to me, no one doesn't it 682 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: better than Saint Louis. And again, I certainly understand where 683 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: where some of the fan bases just based on the 684 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: direction the lack of moves. 685 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: Again, I don't I don't think it's far faster. 686 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 3: I can't get it. 687 00:31:59,040 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 4: I do. 688 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 6: I guess but when we're on top again for a 689 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 6: long period of time, it'll be worth every damn second. 690 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, what a way to end it. That's great, Ollie. 691 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this again. 692 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: It is such an honor that you are our first guest, 693 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: our first interview. I appreciate it. I will leave you 694 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: alone for at least forty eight hours this week. 695 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: Thank you. 696 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 3: Don't you buy me seventy. 697 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: Two, No, just forty eight. 698 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 2: We got games coming up, I got questions to ask. 699 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: I gotta know who your pushing plans are. So this 700 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: is wonderful. I know Trevor and I both appreciate it. 701 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: For those of you following along, you can subscribe to 702 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: the Cardinal Territory Podcast on YouTube or on Spotify, on Apple, 703 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: wherever you want. 704 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: We are there. 705 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: We got an episode dropping on Friday with Gordon Grissefo. 706 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: As promised, we are finally hammering out those interviews. So again, 707 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: for those of you who stuck with us during the 708 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: two months of nothing going on, consider this your reward. 709 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: Ollie, thank you again so much for doing this. I'm 710 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: Katie Wu. Who's Trevor Rosenthal. We will talk to you 711 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: all very soon. 712 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: Appreciate guess