WEBVTT - Kerr Smith Meets World 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.840 Do you guys have Spotify, Yeah, like the one that 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:24.360 comes with my phone. I don't know how to use 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.000 the extra parts of it. It comes with my phone, doesn't 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:27.440 it have you? 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.320 It doesn't come with your phone. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.159 I didn't download it. It's just on my phone. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.839 Well, Danielle, have you noticed the new day List feature? 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:36.760 No? 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:38.360 Okay? 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.520 So they used to do something called like a daily Mix, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:41.120 and they would. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:42.080 Make every much of them. 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.360 Okay, Well, now they just have something called the day 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.840 List and if you click on it every couple hours, 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.720 it updates and it makes a new list for you 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:51.760 of like what it recommends based on what you've been 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:52.199 listening to. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.800 Look, I got it. I just opened it and it 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.520 says new music for you, and then it's a single 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:57.600 but it's sponsored. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.320 No, you got to go to day List and it 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:00.520 actually them. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.000 So I want to do two Truths in a Lie. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:10.200 Where my day List, Yes, because they have been remarkable 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.600 and I want to see if you guys can spot 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.399 the lie. Uh So we played two Truths in a 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.720 Lie when we would do our live show, but I 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.280 don't think we've done it on the podcast, or maybe 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.440 we have one once or twice. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.360 But yeah, so two of these. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:27.200 Are real, okay, titles for collections of music that Spotify 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.880 has recommended for me based on my listening taste, and 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.839 I guess my personality, and one of them is a lie. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:34.800 Okay? 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:36.280 Mm hmm. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.560 Is this a day list created by Spotify for right 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:44.759 or strong Granola Vibes Van Life Friday Afternoon? 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.160 Oh my god? Wait, is that the name of the 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:49.760 playlist or that's the name of a song. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:50.960 No, that's the name. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.360 It creates the playlist and you click on it and 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.480 it tells you what it's created for you. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.480 That has to be real. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:06.880 Number two okay, Cottage Core, Crunchy Folk Tuesday Night or 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.839 Sleeping in Sad Girl. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.360 Indy Thursday Afternoon. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.359 Oh all, I want them all to be real and 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.720 all to be lies. Oh it's magical. I think the 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.560 first one, the Crunchy Van Life, has the granola Crunchy 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.160 Van Life, but it's so on the note. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.320 It wasn't crunchy, it was Granola Vibes Van Life Friday 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.560 after the other one was Cottage Core, Crunchy. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:31.440 Folk Tuesday Night. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:39.000 It's crunch or Sleeping in Sad Girl Indy Thursday Afternoon. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:47.880 Oh insad, I'm gonna Oh god, they're all magic. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:48.720 I know. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.800 I almost wanted to do three lies because there was 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.560 just there was good for. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.079 A part of me. See, this is where I get 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.000 the rider's head, because part of me wants thinks that 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.160 first one you're using not to throw us in. The 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.000 last two are reel. But I think the Van Life 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.040 I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say the lie is the 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:13.480 middle one. I think Van Life and Indie are true 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.040 and the middle one is the lie. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.880 That's I completely agree with you. And by the way, 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.399 the second one is actually my favorite, my favorite name, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.600 which is the reason why I suspect writer created it, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:30.040 because it's like poetry. The other two are just slightly 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.440 ai enough, but I think they're right. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.960 Yes, you guys go, but cottage Core and Crunchy have 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.760 come up so many times. So another real one was 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:45.160 Happy Folk Crunchy Wednesday afternoon, Oh my god. Another le 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.400 one was Mountain Home Tuesday night. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:53.160 Oh okay, I have one called mood Swing Teddy Bear 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.080 Friday morning. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:54.720 There you go. 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:55.760 It's perfect. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:57.160 Do you have to pay for these? 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:57.840 You know? 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.080 It's well if you have to pay for Spotify, But 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.800 if you have, but no, won't. It'll update every three hours. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.520 So just write that one down because I had to 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.080 start writing these down because you can't access the old ones. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.520 It keeps updating based on what you listen to. So 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.880 you're in a mood swing, You're in a mood swing, 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:15.400 Teddy Bear World whatever? 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.360 Wait, where does this? Where do you find them? 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:17.799 Okay? 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.280 You go to Spotify It When you go to a playlists, 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.960 it has something called day list, and when you click 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:25.880 on day List, it gives you the name of your 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.920 current day list and it'll keep updating every three hours 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.400 or so. And every time I click on it, I'm like, Wow, 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:32.600 this is hysterical and. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.640 By the way, pretty accurate. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:35.240 Like what I want. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.159 It nails me pretty much every time. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.400 You know, what's interesting is that all morning I've been 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.520 listening to like twenty seconds of songs because we're trying 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.039 to pick what song we're gonna do for rock and 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:45.600 roll Holliday. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.479 That's why it's a mood swings all over in a place. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.359 My god, stop drinking. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.240 Oh god, that's great. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:56.080 It's amazing. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.440 You will have so much fun just clicking and being like, 0:04:58.480 --> 0:04:59.440 oh yep. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.800 Firefox Friday Morning. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.680 Wow, Yeah, Crunchy is big for me. Cottage course comes 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:07.200 up all the time. 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:08.320 The hell is cottage? 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.200 Yeah, crunchy. It just so'm like crunchy granola hippie. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.480 Are you guys on premium? Is that? Are you paying 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:13.840 for this? 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:14.120 Is that? 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.440 That's what it is. I just watched all my music 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.920 on YouTube. There you go, I do It's well. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:20.840 Then you don't get the joy. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:29.159 I love my scription. Yeah, welcome to Pod Meets World. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.560 I'm mood swing Teddy Bear Friday morning. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.960 I'm happy full crunchy Wednesday Rider. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.400 And I'm not on premium Spotify. 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Whether it was the complicated, 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:12.480 relatable relationship of Dawson and Joey Pacey's never ending journey 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.000 for purpose, or the themes of identity, independence, and friendship. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.080 They were handling real storylines and looking beautiful while doing it. 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.720 Did they share the screen with a bear while covered 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:23.239 in honey? 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:23.760 No? 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.920 But to be fair, I'm not yet sure I did either. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.480 And this week's guest may have just been the Dawson's 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.360 Creek character with the most responsibility when it came to 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.680 important and culturally significant storylines. When he moved to Los 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.120 Angeles in his twenties, it took only seven weeks to 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.840 book his first job, a lead on the soap opera 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.040 As the World Turns, which then quickly turned into the 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.400 role of a lifetime Jack McPhee, the new kid in 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.960 Cape Side for season two, catching Joey's attention and putting 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.920 the most important relationship in CW network history in limbo, 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.200 and then came one of the most iconic smooches and 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.840 TV history when his romantic scene with love interest Ethan 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.320 became the first same sex kiss between two men in 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:12.000 network television history, a milestone by all accounts that we 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.680 can thankfully now say wouldn't even make the news like 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.760 it did back in the year two thousand. He recently 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.240 participated in a spectacular charity event on Broadway, breaking the 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.600 Internet while reuniting the cast of Dawson's Creek to raise 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.360 money for the f Cancer charity in the name of 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.880 their co star James Vanderbeek, who's currently battling co erectoral cancer, 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.720 and now he's set to release a memoir in twenty 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.360 twenty six, all about his time on the show titled 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.400 I Don't want to wait My journey on Dawson's Creek 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.080 without a paddle. So it feels like maybe he's on 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.000 his own podmeats world style journey and we can't wait 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.920 to talk to him about it. So welcome to the podcast, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.920 a man who made history on the show writer actually 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:59.480 wanted to be on. It's cur Smithy. Hello, welcome, Thank 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:00.559 you for being here. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.199 With us, guys. Good to see you again. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.840 Good to see you. Well, I just want to get 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.960 this out of the way now because all of us 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.560 were aggressively jealous of you in the nineties. We used 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.959 to look at being on Dawson's Creek as a bit 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.200 of our dream job. Did you know how meaty it 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.080 seemed to the rest of us, you know, kid actors 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:23.640 at the time. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:25.800 That's the first I'm hearing of it. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.120 Well, we all really wanted to be doing what you 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:33.679 guys were doing. 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.040 I guessing you never opened your script and went, oh, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.120 I'm sneezing the lottery numbers this week. 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.360 Hey, you guys were doing it a good decade before 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:42.719 we were. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:49.480 Yeah, that's true. Let's start with getting into your origin story. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.679 You were raised in Pennsylvania. Were you acting in high 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.319 school at all? Did you have any child actor aspirations? 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.120 I did a little bit. I remember this tenth grade. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.440 It was a it was a combination of lit class 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.800 and an acting class, same teacher, and what this was 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:09.080 in sophomores, and the kids would write these children's plays, 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.559 and then the acting class that I was in, we 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.000 picked the best ones and then we'd go around and 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.520 we perform them for all the elementary schools in our district. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.000 And that was really my first experience with acting and 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:21.839 kind of got the bug right around then. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.440 But you didn't move out to LA until you were 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:26.800 in your mid twenties? Is that right? 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.920 Oh? La, I'd say twenty seven, twenty eight years old. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.839 I was in New York for since I started acting 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.480 in ninety five, when I was in New York for 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.120 three years before I moved out that way. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.880 Okay, So were you doing theater in New York? 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:42.960 Is that how you got in? 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.960 No? I was on it was on As the World Turns. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.320 Okay, so As the worldlind I was over there and gotcha, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.000 I mean you When you did move out to LA, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.840 it only took seven weeks for you. No, No, that 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.720 was in New York. It only took you seven weeks 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.840 to book your first job on As the World Turns? 0:10:58.880 --> 0:10:59.400 Is that correct? 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.280 You had it right the first time. It took me 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.440 nine months to get my first job in New York 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.600 with no agent, by the way, and you know I 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.760 did my own deal with with CBS on that and. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.200 She's kept that kept that's great. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.640 Guys, it was. It was a crap deal, don't I 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.800 don't recommend it. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.680 It's like representing yourself in a murder trial. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:29.080 It probably well, yeah, bad call. And then I just said, 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:30.720 because I knew one of the guys on the show 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.719 and he was like, hey, there's this great part. Want you. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:35.880 I can get you an audition, And when I ended 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.880 up getting a damn thing, and I'm like, just you know, 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.720 just give me whatever you got him give him. And 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.040 he got a bad deal too, So we're like, all right, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.560 but Danielle, so you had it right the first time. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.720 So nine months in New York, But yes, when I 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.280 landed in Venice Beach, it took about seven week You 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.600 guys want to hear crazy story real quick? Please? 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:55.280 All right? 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.520 So in ninety eight, spring of ninety eight and I 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.400 decided New York, I'm done. I got to go to 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.040 l A. I've never been there, scared to sell load 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.160 up the U haul with everything that I own, which 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:09.720 is like, you know, half the truck in the school, 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.400 and then I've got the girlfriend in there too. And 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:12.959 of course, if you've ever done that drive, you got 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.319 four days, three days coming off fast to drive and 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.280 do a lot of thinking. So you know, I'm this 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.040 new green actor, hasn't done much at all, and I'm thinking, Okay, 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.160 what are the two shows, like, what are the couple 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.560 of shows that I'd really want to do? You know, 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.280 if I had my pick? If the Stars the line 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:30.599 that had my pick, and I was I was a 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.000 big fan of Party five at the time. They were 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:35.920 kind on the tail end of their you know, they're run, 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.800 but I'm like, you know, that'd be a great show 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.320 to do. And there was this other show that I 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.319 had seen the pilot with this girl climbing up the 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.920 ladder into this dude's window, and I, you know, and 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.600 I remember watching the pilot Dawson's and thinking this thing 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.960 is going to be a huge hit, And you know, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.480 a couple of months later, sure enough, it was everybody 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.840 really started to love it, and I'm like, I would love, 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.480 you know, on that show. So I I obsessed about 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.760 those two programs for four days. That's just how I 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.679 was back then, just hyper focused. I roll into La. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.200 My first appointment this is Crazy was for Party five Wow. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.360 And it wasn't a big role either. It was it 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.880 was to play Neb's boyfriend. I think one of the 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.760 London I think Jeremy London ended up getting it. I 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.400 screwed that audition off. It was terrible. I mean I 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.480 was nervous. It was my first big one in LA. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.559 You know how it goes. And then a couple of 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.720 weeks later, I had a general appointment, And for you, 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.840 for your listeners, a general is basically it's not an audition. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.880 You just go in and it's a meet and greet. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.480 I'm new in town, I am Curve, who I'm all about? 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.240 Blah blah blah blah blah. And it was with Kathleen Lettery, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.200 who was, as you know, the head casting director of 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:49.000 the WB back then, and uh we just talked, not 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.240 even not acting, for like thirty minutes. I remember sitting 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.160 in her office on the couch. I get up, Thank 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.720 you very much, and I thought it went okay, and 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.520 she goes out. You know, I'll never hear from this 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.640 woman again, And sure enough, before I got to the door, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.360 she says her, I don't know what it is, but 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.400 I'm going to find a place for you on our network. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:05.439 Jeez. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.160 Cut to a couple of weeks later and five auditions, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:09.600 I'm on Dawson's Creek. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:11.439 Wow, so cool? 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.160 Oh my god, you want to talk about manifestation there is? 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:16.359 Yeah. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.520 Did you think, oh, this just must want to be 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.800 like this is what it's like for people who moved 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.440 to LA and want to become out. Did you know 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.280 how crazy it was? 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.960 I knew how special a situation it was, and I 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:33.360 knew how I was blessed. Really, so I felt that. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.400 Well, you said five auditions later? Was it five random 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.560 auditions or did you have to audition five times for 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.440 Dawson's Creek. I think I read because you know, back 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.960 then we were I was reading for the casting director 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.120 out of the gate, and then you did, you know, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.480 do the producer's meeting and whatever. I think I probably 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.080 did three of those, and then of course I had 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.280 the network and studio at Tesse. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.920 I thought, wow, yeah. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.320 Wow, And so you were. You said you were about 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.400 twenty seven to twenty eight, but you were playing sixteen 0:14:58.520 --> 0:14:59.040 on the show. 0:14:59.160 --> 0:14:59.400 Right. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.360 Meredith and I were the old guys on the show, 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.600 the mcfees we came in. Yeah, we were both in 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.240 our late twenties and everybody else. Michelle was fifteen when 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.440 she started, right man Right. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.200 We had a similar situation on our show with Trina, 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.760 who played Angela. She was twenty six at the time 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.200 that she joined. She had two kids, she was pregnant 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.080 with her third, and we were all teenagers. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.000 She was making out with Ryder, who's seventeen. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:35.440 Guys, did you have an easy time blending in with 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.480 the younger cast who already had a season together under 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.120 their belt once you got to North Carolina? 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.160 You know, I was nervous. It was nice going into 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.720 it with Meredith. She started one episode before me, but 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.800 we came down to Wilmington the same time, so we 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.400 went through that whole casting process together too, So that 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:57.360 helped integrating, integrating into a cast of four that had 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.280 I mean, we'd only done thirteen you remember that first 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.240 season was the season replacement, so they hadn't done that many. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.920 But the show was a hit over the summer, it 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.600 just became huge. And I remember getting out of the 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.200 truck and I think one of the first people I 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.360 saw was Josh and I remember I'm saying, it is, dude, 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.600 give it two months, get ready, your life's going to change. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.520 I was like, oh, sure enough, it did. But it 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.720 was to answer your question, Daniel was super easy. I mean, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:28.080 everybody jelled together really nicely. You know, it just worked. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:28.760 That's awesome. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:29.080 Good. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.840 How was it handling that kind of spotlight? At the time, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.800 there were SNL spoofs, rolling stone covers there. It was 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.520 a lot. How did you guys handle all that? 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.760 Uh? We just here's the cool What did you guys shoot? 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.000 Were you in La Yeah? Yeah, okay, So being in Wilmington, 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.440 it's like you're not in Hollywood. You're in it's like 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.320 a camp type of atmosphere, is how I always say 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.240 it something or just a bubble, and you don't really 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.440 know what's going on because you're working so much and 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.040 you know, you were in all these hours and you 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.520 just I didn't I don't pay attention to the publicity 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.040 and all that, so I didn't really know what was 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.479 going on until you start you go to the grocery 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.879 store or whatever. Then you know what's going on for 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.879 hundreds of people start showing up at set, you know, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.800 on location in Wilmington, and there's you know, a couple 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.800 hundred people across the across the street from all over 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:23.160 the world. That started happening on st So then you know, okay, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.640 we're doing something pretty cool here. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.800 Yeah. Yeah, you were immediately thrown into a relationship with 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.000 Joey played by Katie Holmes. You were a foil for 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.720 everyone who was shipping the Dawson Joey will they or 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.600 won't they? Did you ever run into angry. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.520 Fans back then, you mean just getting in the way 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:44.879 between the. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.800 Two of them, Yes, yeah, I don't. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:51.520 Remember, because it was it was such a short lived story. Okay, 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:53.679 I'm sure you want to talk about this, But obviously 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.159 Kevin Mosman had different plans. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.280 Oh yeah, exactly, Yeah, in a different direction. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.520 I mean when I was hired, you're right, was hired 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.439 to create a wedge in between Dawson and Llanster things up. 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.440 But as you know, a character like that probably is 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.359 not going to last very long. It's not very like yet. Yeah, 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.080 so I'm glad he went down to get the road. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.359 Yeah, you stuck around a lot longer. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.640 Well, see if you know when you were cast that 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.359 that was the direction the character was going to know. 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.920 Okay, wow, nobody knew. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:22.879 I didn't know you're going to make television history at 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.040 that point, right. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.359 The w B didn't know. Sony didn't know the No, 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.240 none of the producers knew. It was a It was 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:34.600 a it was an idea in Kevin Williamson's head. That's it. Jeez. Wow. Yeah. 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.400 I just had a long conversation with Kevin a few 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.080 months ago about all this, really for the first time, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.200 because I'm in the middle of writing a book from 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.960 Dawson's Creed and Kevin was kind enough to give me 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.960 hours on hours of material and we were just talking 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.480 about the old days, and he told me how difficult 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.800 it really was to get the network to agree to 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.399 go down, you know, and have a story like that 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:58.160 for the first time. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.480