Speaker 1: Walk up to the NFL Daily presented by DraftKings Sportsbook,
Speaker 1: where we only feel truly alive after that camera light
Speaker 1: turns on. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling
Speaker 1: podcast studio with my friend Steve Weisch and Patrick Claybond.
Speaker 1: I'll throw it to you guys. You ever your television
Speaker 1: professional stop. You know, you ever have days where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're a little worn down a little bit,
Speaker 1: but then that light turns on and then it just
Speaker 1: it takes over. You feel it. You have that light
Speaker 1: ever turned on for you and you didn't feel it?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, it happens, but you know this is I'll
Speaker 2: use it. I'll use the gym analogy.
Speaker 1: You know. Okay, some days you just don't feel like
Speaker 1: you have it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but once you're once you're about ten minutes in
Speaker 2: on that elliptical, that treadmill, then you're rocking and rolling
Speaker 2: and you're having all these great memories and you're and
Speaker 2: you're running from people trying to kill you.
Speaker 1: You know, you really got it going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to write in the gym you got
Speaker 3: you got you know, for Steve, you got four hundred
Speaker 3: pounds on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to come back up and go. Patrick.
Speaker 1: That doesn't always happen for me in the gym. I'm
Speaker 1: just more like, okay, we're at like twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: Is that enough?
Speaker 3: But having not been mentally prepared and been on television
Speaker 3: and embarrassed myself, Yeah, in the past, I used to
Speaker 3: keep a note my wallet. It's like I wrote it
Speaker 3: down after a really bad hit where it was a
Speaker 3: national hit on CNN, some news story that I will
Speaker 3: not be unprepared on TV ever again.
Speaker 1: That go.
Speaker 3: And so before the honestly like to kimono open here,
Speaker 3: before everything starts, I tend to close my eyes, take
Speaker 3: a deep breath and going to a place.
Speaker 1: M That's good that it has crossed my mind because Steve,
Speaker 1: You've had, you know, far more live television experiences me
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll be watching I'll be like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if Steve ever just you know, man, he's just he's
Speaker 1: just he's just grinded down and he's not feeling it
Speaker 1: because you could never tell, you could never tell all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: But Okay, as Patrick said, you know, you make that
Speaker 2: one mistake and it's a right somebody else sitting in
Speaker 2: this chair baby on Zillow.
Speaker 1: You guys have been sitting in this chair every preview show,
Speaker 1: and this is one of the best slates I think
Speaker 1: we've had all season. Sneaky fun, a lot of just
Speaker 1: B plus's a minuses, But we got to start despite
Speaker 1: it not being the smallest spread of the week with
Speaker 1: what to me is just my choice, is the game
Speaker 1: of the year? Love it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right there with you, Greg, because it's the
Speaker 3: next game for the Philadelphia Eagles and the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3: Both played in so far last week in prime time.
Speaker 3: Both got wins, the Ravens playing host of the Eagles,
Speaker 3: favored by three with an over under of over a
Speaker 3: half one hundred one and a half points. Full CBS
Speaker 3: treatment with Jim, Tony and Tracy on the call. Greg
Speaker 3: at the Ravens defense got pressures thirteen different players, four sacks,
Speaker 3: pass breakups, all without Rokuan. Was that the improvement that
Speaker 3: you waited for? And if it is, is it enough
Speaker 3: against Philly and their MVP candidate in the NFL's leading rusher.
Speaker 1: It's the start of it, and hopefully Rocan Smith is
Speaker 1: back this week. Two games where you give up a
Speaker 1: combined one touchdown. That's impressive, even if it's not against
Speaker 1: the most explosive offenses in the league. Where good offenses
Speaker 1: those Steelers and Chargers, this is a whole different sort
Speaker 1: of challenge. Can you get any pressure rushing the passer
Speaker 1: on Jalen Hurts because the Rams really didn't last week
Speaker 1: and they have a pretty nice passers. There is one
Speaker 1: or two plays I know you're thinking of that Jared
Speaker 1: Verse by a lot of play that we were talking
Speaker 1: about before, but for the most part he was protected
Speaker 1: and the pressure rate was really low. And then the
Speaker 1: matchup I guess I'm thinking of even more when the
Speaker 1: Eagles have the ball. Is okay? These cornerbacks for the Ravens,
Speaker 1: it's gotten better, Nate Wiggins, and you bring in Tredevius White,
Speaker 1: But aj Brown to me is the best wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now, like he is playing the best.
Speaker 1: I know he's missed some games this year, but he
Speaker 1: is so difficult to stop. So if they get DeVonta
Speaker 1: Smith back, that is just a whole different sort of
Speaker 1: challenge and test to see if this Ravens defensive resurgence
Speaker 1: is real. I'm not ready to go there. Quite yet.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: Okay, I am because you know, one thing you've noticed
Speaker 2: the past couple of games, when the Ravens have kept
Speaker 2: teams out of the end zone, they put Kyle Hamilton
Speaker 2: more as a deep float of free safety.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: He's a cleanup man, and I think in part because
Speaker 2: the tackling up front has not been good from the secondary,
Speaker 2: so he's a guy kind of like Ridney McLeod back
Speaker 2: in the day all the other mistakes that can come
Speaker 2: in and clean up. So I think that's helped good
Speaker 2: calm and so you know, when you when you look good,
Speaker 2: ro quand Smith back will help. But the one thing
Speaker 2: that the Ravens do that the Rams did is they
Speaker 2: only play four up front. They really will give you
Speaker 2: rarely give you a five or six man front. Look
Speaker 2: the Rams did that, Saquon got through and then it
Speaker 2: was just daylight right because the Rams dbs aren't as
Speaker 2: fast as Ravens DB's. So I do think that they've
Speaker 2: they've turned the corner, especially on the red zone defense,
Speaker 2: and if they stop making some of those penalties in
Speaker 2: the secondary, that defense is going to be even better.
Speaker 1: I think they've hurt themselves.
Speaker 2: Patrick and I were talking you know, the other the
Speaker 2: other day against the charge of Some of those late
Speaker 2: calls against Marlon Humphrey were a little little touchy right there.
Speaker 2: But I am in on this, wow, And I also
Speaker 2: think the Ravens three point favorite. It's not the home
Speaker 2: field three points, it's the Lamar Jackson three points. All
Speaker 2: things being equal for both of these teams. What Lamar
Speaker 2: is able to do and taking care of the ball,
Speaker 2: passing inside and outside of the numbers, just outside of
Speaker 2: the numbers people he's doing that, I think he's at
Speaker 2: three point edge. I like number on.
Speaker 1: This and I like the Ravens on this, but they're
Speaker 1: not equal. If we take out Lamar, the Eagles are
Speaker 1: a better team. Now Lamar is that reason? I agree
Speaker 1: with you. If he's gonna win, it's gonna be. Why
Speaker 1: are the Eagles a better team? Better defensive line, better
Speaker 1: offensive line? Is it a better defensive line? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Okay that I'll meet you there and say,
Speaker 1: maybe that's that's close, But I think better overall defensive talent,
Speaker 1: better coached defensive talent, better offensive talent by a lot
Speaker 1: outside of you know, Derek and Lamar. That's a big
Speaker 1: except I know we're splitting hairs here. I think I
Speaker 1: just mean, if you pull Umark Jackson on the Eagles
Speaker 1: right now, I'm good. I don't care about the NFL rules.
Speaker 1: I'm going to Vegas right now and I'm putting that
Speaker 1: ticket down. That team's not losing. Disclaimer, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think the discrepancies are nearly as big as you're. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I hope you're right because I'm leaning Ravens,
Speaker 1: and yet I don't feel great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly bias here, but I feel like the discrepancy
Speaker 3: is on is in the defensive secondary, especially at the
Speaker 3: corner position, where the Eagles acknowledge the lapse, they go
Speaker 3: out and get two really good players really in the draft,
Speaker 3: versus on the other side. I think Baltimore felt good
Speaker 3: about the Nate Wiggins pick. Uh some signs to be
Speaker 3: positive about. The Chargers targeted.
Speaker 1: Him nine times.
Speaker 3: He was clearly the player that the Chargers wanted to
Speaker 3: go at, and there's a couple of times where he's
Speaker 3: seat belt celebrating like a drop correctly where several drops
Speaker 3: and so like coming into this game. If it's Devonte
Speaker 3: Smith and Nate Wiggins, no there's no confidence that presumably
Speaker 3: Baltimore is gonna do everything they can to prevent that matchup.
Speaker 3: One thing that they did change was actually having Kyle
Speaker 3: Hamilton play safety. Yeah, against the Chargers, where he lined
Speaker 3: up forty nine of his sixty snaps playing safety, versus
Speaker 3: the rest of the.
Speaker 1: Season, we're only thirty percent.
Speaker 3: He's playing like linebackers, where he's up there around a
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, and so putting your best player in
Speaker 3: a position where you can make plays definitely helps the
Speaker 3: defense seem more aggressive. They seem more on the same
Speaker 3: page despite not having the signal caller out there. I
Speaker 3: think there's reasons to be positive, but there's also the
Speaker 3: aj Brown factor and I need I need Deontay Johnson
Speaker 3: to run her out without falling down.
Speaker 2: So funny you say that he doesn't even count anymore, man, It's.
Speaker 1: So funny you say that. Locker said the same thing
Speaker 1: when we watched. He's like, I feel like he's always fallen.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a good note. It's that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of a rep that's absolutely true. Remember, like there
Speaker 1: was like a conversation in some fantasy circles like, well,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the number one now Zave Flowers at
Speaker 1: Deantay Dungeons, which I was never buying, but like he's
Speaker 1: not even the number three. I'm trusting Aglar certainly well,
Speaker 1: live Count Andrews and likely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Bateman has really stepped up as well. Like
Speaker 3: Shad didn't make that first play in the first half, right,
Speaker 3: and Lamargo's right back to him at the end of
Speaker 3: the first half and he comes up and makes it,
Speaker 3: makes that touchdown catch where we weren't necessarily expecting these
Speaker 3: types of performances from Rashad Bateman, but plays well.
Speaker 1: It's been very solid. Somebody that Ravens were lo I'm
Speaker 1: a little worried early in that Chargers game, the play
Speaker 1: action was really working against some of those linebackers. Even
Speaker 1: Roquon hasn't been amazing in coverage years, this year's been
Speaker 1: anywhere close to amazing, and so that's that's a concern.
Speaker 1: I think when you're attacking that part of the field,
Speaker 1: that's probably more of a Dallas Goddard. Now they don't
Speaker 1: really have a great uh slot receiver, but certainly a J.
Speaker 1: Brown is a slot receiver at times and the best
Speaker 1: one in the league when when he is but now
Speaker 1: the Wiggans is healthy.
Speaker 2: Right now, they're going more of a three corner instead
Speaker 2: of a three safety nickel. And so because you know
Speaker 2: Stevens on one side, uh, you've got I'm I'm blanking
Speaker 2: on our guy forty four Marlin Humphrey and so you
Speaker 2: know in Wiggins. So now they've got a different they've
Speaker 2: got a much faster nickel package and they're running more
Speaker 2: of a two linebacker three corner. Look when they do this.
Speaker 2: So again I'm telling you, I don't think this is crap.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I want to spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: in this game, like more than all the other of
Speaker 1: the game. So I'm just throwing it out there for
Speaker 1: the producers. But I do want to take a moment.
Speaker 1: And I know you're where your rooting interest lies in
Speaker 1: this game, Patrick, but you do have an imposing quarterback
Speaker 1: who is very much on Patrick's corner and maybe has
Speaker 1: been earning your affection. Let's listen to Jalen Hurts after
Speaker 1: last week's game. We just got to keep building. You've
Speaker 1: got to keep building.
Speaker 3: You know, Momentum is is the fakest thing out there
Speaker 3: because it can end to the beginn at any moment.
Speaker 1: This is this is the guy, this is the I
Speaker 1: was carrying the torch for you. He's now said it twice.
Speaker 1: He's now bringing it up unprompted on NBC. He is
Speaker 1: the change. Like he if you're like the political guy
Speaker 1: behind the scenes trying to make this movement happen. He
Speaker 1: is your Barack Obama, he's your presidential candidate.
Speaker 3: I mean, just just like you know the cause and
Speaker 3: effect that Jalen is referring to, I think more more
Speaker 3: people perhaps are considering that, you know, actions lead to results,
Speaker 3: and it's it's not necessarily vibes.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate it now.
Speaker 3: I do pass the torch, even though, like I've tried
Speaker 3: to withdraw myself from the discussion, but I want to
Speaker 3: let you I keep getting getting pulled back into it
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, you're denying all of this that
Speaker 3: It's like, no, I just think we could look at
Speaker 3: the game and look at the things that the players
Speaker 3: do and have that be the reason as opposed to vibes.
Speaker 1: Where when I saw that clip and I didn't see
Speaker 1: it said it, I was like, we have to builing
Speaker 1: this up on the show wiss Patrick.
Speaker 4: So I guess this started arguing, this is the this
Speaker 4: is Atlanta couldn't make those plays in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, because I was talking about the Malcolm
Speaker 4: Butler interception.
Speaker 3: I'm like, so, not only are you forgetting what games
Speaker 3: we're talking about, like, you're forgetting the Julio catch, right,
Speaker 3: you're just erasing one of the best catches in Super
Speaker 3: Bowl history. Act And the reason you're doing that is
Speaker 3: because we use hindsight to determine like outcomes, where like
Speaker 3: that's the reason you believe in this thing in the
Speaker 3: first place, is because you're just picking who wins and
Speaker 3: saying that they had anyway, I gotta stop.
Speaker 1: It's true that was our halftime break of this game talk.
Speaker 1: But I did want to get there, and I should
Speaker 1: I should have finished there because I do have a
Speaker 1: couple other things taking a step back, Is there any
Speaker 1: chance that the Ravens are a little tired? They haven't
Speaker 1: had their buy And I appreciate the Ravens because each
Speaker 1: and every week they give us one of the games
Speaker 1: of the week. You're like, oh, wow, Ravens Bengals, that's
Speaker 1: an awesome game, back and forth. Game of the week.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, raven Steelers saving this early window. Oh last week,
Speaker 1: Oh prime time Ravens Chargers two great quarterback. They're always
Speaker 1: the team in these spots, even earlier in the year,
Speaker 1: in that Bengals game, in the Bills game and the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've played great teams repeatedly. You know,
Speaker 1: they had a nice win against the Commanders and here
Speaker 1: against the Rams. But it's a step up for them.
Speaker 1: But is there a chance that the Ravens are just
Speaker 1: like a little worn down here? I'm a little worried
Speaker 1: about that going into Thereby get having to get up
Speaker 1: each and every week, they also have one less they
Speaker 1: have rest going into this game.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think this game they may be
Speaker 2: a little physically worn down, but mentally they'll be up
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got to buy after this. They did
Speaker 1: have a.
Speaker 2: Thursday night game two weeks ago, right, so you do
Speaker 2: you get that mini respite right before. But I mean,
Speaker 2: they know the stakes, Okay, they know that the Steelers
Speaker 2: lost last week. They've got an opportunity to make up
Speaker 2: some ground right there. And they're playing a very good
Speaker 2: football team. So and I think the Ravens are starting
Speaker 2: just to play better on defense. Now you know, cale Vano,
Speaker 2: you went me a couple of weeks ago. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get there, We're gonna get it figured out, and you know,
Speaker 2: we'll see. This is the test. I mean, what Saquon
Speaker 2: can do is absolutely insane, though, because he looked.
Speaker 1: MVP candidate matchup off. Yeah, yeah, it's actually a really
Speaker 1: big game for that. It shouldn't it should be. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on the result. But I have come to
Speaker 1: the theory having looked at the Vegas odds and just
Speaker 1: thinking about, like, Lamar has a higher degree of difficulty
Speaker 1: I think to win this MVP than Josh Allen Will specifically,
Speaker 1: and maybe Saquon two just because he's won it twice before.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's fair. But I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to go above and beyond. So if for some
Speaker 1: reason he plays well in this game, but Saquon and
Speaker 1: the Eagles win it, it's like people are just gonna
Speaker 1: start crossing him off because they're sick of giving him
Speaker 1: the award.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as a quarterback, he's always gonna have chances to
Speaker 3: go out there and do what he does. You know,
Speaker 3: Sequon's opportunity gets limited versus he can have that mega
Speaker 3: game a quarterback has. I don't know what the quarterback
Speaker 3: equivalent of what Sequon did it so far would be,
Speaker 3: but a quarterback can do that in the last few
Speaker 3: weeks of the season and it's over.
Speaker 1: It's not a discussion.
Speaker 3: But Saquon does it in week twelve, and he has
Speaker 3: to do with that again for some reason, because the
Speaker 3: process again doesn't necessarily make any.
Speaker 1: Last note I have the Eagles have outgained their opponents
Speaker 1: in the last during their seven game win streak by
Speaker 1: at least one hundred and ten yards in every single
Speaker 1: one of those games, and by an average of one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty yards. That's twelve hundred and sixty yards.
Speaker 1: This was Ross Tucker tweeted this out in those seven games.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is outratous. I'm not sure if I've
Speaker 1: seen a sustained period of dominance yardage wise where each
Speaker 1: and every game you were significantly the better team you
Speaker 1: deserve to win, and you did. And these games haven't
Speaker 1: really been closed. So they really have been a great, dominant,
Speaker 1: talented team. And that's why that's why this is the
Speaker 1: game of the year. I'll shut up now.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the other thing is, you know, you
Speaker 2: look at them. You look at those numbers and you
Speaker 2: go to all the analytical metrics. That also means you're
Speaker 2: probably starting their drives in the twenty five. These are
Speaker 2: long drives. These aren't like getting a bunch of interceptions
Speaker 2: like the old chances used to do when they're only
Speaker 2: going forty five yards to get into the in zones. True,
Speaker 2: so you put up numbers like that, those are pre dominant.
Speaker 2: But the explosive plays, I mean, you will watch it.
Speaker 2: Saquan right here just just didn't say what about that?
Speaker 2: What about the two LA team to getting marked for
Speaker 2: three hundred and ninety five rushing yards and back to
Speaker 2: back game, that's that is a great They played.
Speaker 1: Pretty good teams they did.
Speaker 3: And to Greg's point about the Ravens being tired, probably
Speaker 3: with the Eagles too, it's a whole lot less tiring
Speaker 3: when you're winning. Probably those first couple of weeks of
Speaker 3: the season were mentally exhausting for the Baltimore Ravens. And
Speaker 3: speaking of a team that is losing and mentally exhausting,
Speaker 3: the New York Jets are playing the Seattle Seahawks, who
Speaker 3: are favored by two points and feature a quarterback who
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys know used to play
Speaker 3: for the New York Jets. Geno Smith starting in MetLife,
Speaker 3: Adam and Mark Sanchez. Christina Pink on the call that
Speaker 3: over under is forty one and a half points. The
Speaker 3: Seahawks with a huge win. They're in first place in
Speaker 3: the West against the Arizona Cardinals. Now they play a
Speaker 3: three to eight team that doesn't necessarily warrant that much
Speaker 3: the discussion. Steve, So, let's just let's start with Gino
Speaker 3: and his opportunity to get a win in MetLife. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, look, and it may not go down to Gino.
Speaker 2: I mean what Seattle's done defensively, I know we talked
Speaker 2: about it, you know before last couple of weeks. Since
Speaker 2: they've got Ernie Jones, they're they are playing better football
Speaker 2: and against an offense. I think Breese hall Is is questionable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that hasn't didn't practice Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean, look, this is one I think
Speaker 2: Seattle gets up early. If Gino and these guys get
Speaker 2: up a couple of points early, the boot Birds are
Speaker 2: coming out. The Jets will turn into something else. But
Speaker 2: I think this is tricky for Seattle. I mean, going
Speaker 2: across the country that early start. If Aaron those guys
Speaker 2: get going and get and feel themselves a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, then this is going to be a tough game.
Speaker 5: But I mean the line says it is. They're only
Speaker 5: two point favor I think this is a tricky game.
Speaker 5: They've got to get out early. That's not the greatest
Speaker 5: thing that the Seahawks do. But I think that's where
Speaker 5: I mean, look, here's one for you, Greg, Who do
Speaker 5: you trust more in this game?
Speaker 1: Gino or well it's obviously Gino. Okay there, you can
Speaker 1: get that close. I mean again, that's why I think
Speaker 1: I think that's a swing vote right there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's tough of a game. Is just can be it take.
Speaker 1: And I trust the Seahawks defense certainly over the Jets
Speaker 1: defense right now, which has just been a bad unit.
Speaker 1: I think when you took Robert Sala out of the building,
Speaker 1: you not only lost Sala, but you lost o Brick
Speaker 1: as the defensive play caller who's not distracted by everything else.
Speaker 1: And they haven't been a good defense. Like I don't
Speaker 1: really have a reason to think that it's going to
Speaker 1: change just because they had the bye week and you
Speaker 1: mentioned Ernest Jones I was thinking about it. To this point,
Speaker 1: you could argue he's the best trade deadline pickup in
Speaker 1: terms of making an impact on a team. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: He's like fourth and tackles on their team since he's
Speaker 2: been there, Like over the Seaton.
Speaker 1: If I'm starting a team, I'm still taking Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: over him the rest of the season. But to this point,
Speaker 1: I think he's probably made the biggest impact of any
Speaker 1: guy who's That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: On a trade deadline season where most of the acquisitions
Speaker 3: were on the offensive side of the ball, on a
Speaker 3: season where we had to wait to see a defensive
Speaker 3: player come off the board, it shows that investments, especially
Speaker 3: at this maligned spot that we were discussing earlier to
Speaker 3: your linebacker, has such a significant value on a defense.
Speaker 3: Greg that since the buye has given up eleven and
Speaker 3: a half points a game.
Speaker 1: Wow, Like, that's how.
Speaker 3: Good they have been versus as you mentioned, Jeff Oldberg
Speaker 3: having his you know, attention bifrucated. Now the Jets have
Speaker 3: give him up more rushing touchdowns than since Week seven
Speaker 3: than anybody in the entire league, and they have to
Speaker 3: play against a healthy and spry looking Kenneth Walker and
Speaker 3: the Seahawks defense able to limit possessions probably lead to
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of you know, cutaways of number eight
Speaker 3: looking frustrated after an incomplete pass, looking at people's directions, pointing,
Speaker 3: drawing plays in the air. It's potential that has me
Speaker 3: thinking we should take this to a place and survive
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I would love to do that, And I would
Speaker 1: love to just listen to the music because it puts
Speaker 1: me in a kind of a Maui invitational type of
Speaker 1: mood here. But they are not available. What Patrick No,
Speaker 1: he took them to start this unbeaten streak since week
Speaker 1: three way back then, that they are not available, I would,
Speaker 1: I would, Woul, I would like to do this. I
Speaker 1: want Devin Witherspoon to cook this team. He has just
Speaker 1: been flying around. I heard Michael Sean Dugar, who does
Speaker 1: a good podcast on the Seahawks Man to Man podcast.
Speaker 1: Check that out. He made the point of the he
Speaker 1: thinks the biggest difference with this team is that they're
Speaker 1: stopping the run. They were missing so many tackles they
Speaker 1: weren't stopping the run. And when they are stopping the
Speaker 1: run on early downs and they did it against the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: That sets up the long distance situations and the players
Speaker 1: are talking about everyone can see it now. Mike McDonald's
Speaker 1: kind of cooking and drawing up these designer blitz is
Speaker 1: knowing how to use these guys and it's really working.
Speaker 1: So that combination where the players are really being good
Speaker 1: on early downs, I don't think the Jets will be
Speaker 1: able to run, and he's cooking on late downs. We
Speaker 1: could have a frustrated Aaron Rodgers dirting some balls or
Speaker 1: just throwing the ball away because he doesn't or taking
Speaker 1: some sacks, and think about the next excuses he's gonna
Speaker 1: make where he takes shots at national reporters saying they
Speaker 1: don't have integrity. It's just like, I'm so sick. That
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so sick of the fake laughter that
Speaker 1: he had when when McAfee was like talking about the
Speaker 1: reports that were happening. He's just like, it's just like,
Speaker 1: what a phony. Well, maybe you should tye Taylor next week. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's that's commitment to excellent stings. I don't I don't talk,
Speaker 1: but people in my people in my circle don't talk
Speaker 1: to those people. I don't know why anyone would be
Speaker 1: talking to those people. You maybe look inside yourself and
Speaker 1: think about why they don't like you, because that's that's
Speaker 1: the answer. The answer is people don't like and respect
Speaker 1: you enough to keep your business private, and so they're
Speaker 1: putting it out there. That is the answer.
Speaker 2: Or maybe some people have lost their jobs once you
Speaker 2: because you know now that you're on the scene, and
Speaker 2: they got some things to get off of their chest.
Speaker 1: Which is funny because he went through and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they you know, made Salad the goat, and now then
Speaker 1: they made Joe Douglas to go and they made my
Speaker 1: guy hack the goat, and it's like they they made that,
Speaker 1: like the just the lack of accountability is very consistent.
Speaker 3: Eventually they is located in the mirror. Shout out today,
Speaker 3: whoever they are.
Speaker 1: Can't fix stupid.
Speaker 3: It's time for the Game of the Week presented by
Speaker 3: DraftKings Sportsbook. The Los Angeles Chargers two and a half
Speaker 3: point favorites at the Atlanta Falcons who come off a
Speaker 3: buye who come off that loss in Denver a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago. Kevin Harlan, Trent Green, Melanie Collins on
Speaker 3: the call frustrating performance.
Speaker 1: Greg from the.
Speaker 3: Chargers pass catchers in so far against the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3: A even more perhaps frustrating performance by Kirk Cousin this
Speaker 3: and this Falcons offense, who bounces back and gets a
Speaker 3: win in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I'll take the Chargers a little surprise there the favorites
Speaker 1: this game. It's a perfect example of why I like
Speaker 1: this Week thirteen. There's a lot of little games like this.
Speaker 1: It's just like, Okay, two teams that aren't at the
Speaker 1: top of the NFL, but show me something here between
Speaker 1: these two teams coming off disappointing results. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great test for this Chargers team because I think
Speaker 1: this harbought Chargers team, I mean for the Falcons rather.
Speaker 1: I think this Chargers team is almost like the dividing
Speaker 1: line of whether you're gonna beat yourself or not. They're
Speaker 1: just a solid team right well said, they're there. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to make the playoffs, but they're they're
Speaker 1: right on that border of like playoffs or not, but
Speaker 1: are you gonna beat yourself? Because the Falcons do seem
Speaker 1: like a team capable of beating themselves. I think the
Speaker 1: Chargers are so solid I trust them a little more.
Speaker 2: You nail this, and I don't think the one and
Speaker 2: a half is enough for the Chargers. M I mean,
Speaker 2: granted they won't have JK. Dobbins, but they'll find a
Speaker 2: way to run the football. But when I was looking
Speaker 2: at the Falcons schedule and just watching some of their games,
Speaker 2: they're not a tough team right when you look when
Speaker 2: when you look at the teams who they've beaten, they
Speaker 2: are finesse teams, right. They've beaten teams within their division.
Speaker 2: They've beaten Dallas, they got Philadelphia, I think in Week two.
Speaker 2: Everyone else they've lost to brings a fist to the fight,
Speaker 2: and they have not managed to stand up, especially on defense,
Speaker 2: all the way from the front through their secondary.
Speaker 1: We know they've got some.
Speaker 2: Great players, Jesse Bay, j aj Terrell, but just when
Speaker 2: it comes to physicality, especially on the defensive side of
Speaker 2: the ball, that's not it.
Speaker 1: And if you saw some of the stuff.
Speaker 2: Joe Alt was doing early in the game, now later
Speaker 2: in the game he was getting beat up a little bit.
Speaker 2: But some of the things that this Chargers offensive line
Speaker 2: can do to them, I just think the Chargers, unless
Speaker 2: they're are just out of focus and I don't see
Speaker 2: them being that team. Greg, I think you nailed it
Speaker 2: when you said they don't beat themselves. I just think
Speaker 2: they're the type of team that Atlanta does not want
Speaker 2: I have to contend with.
Speaker 3: And it would be a first opportunity for Atlanta to
Speaker 3: really just beat somebody right where it's tough, it's hard fought.
Speaker 3: You know Kirk Cousins, they've they're one in five when
Speaker 3: he has a sub ninety passer rating. They haven't really
Speaker 3: been able to ground out a win no where it's
Speaker 3: they They've won in score fests, they've they've played opponents
Speaker 3: who made mistakes. If the Falcons can can somehow come
Speaker 3: together and win this game, but I feel like for
Speaker 3: this Chargers pass rush, it's going to be like when
Speaker 3: the the rookies always talk about the game slowing down
Speaker 3: to go from Chase and Lamar and coming up with air.
Speaker 3: It's so fine to fly into Atlanta and going at
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, who who's you know, made one person miss?
Speaker 1: They know where he'll be. Yeah, that is true. I
Speaker 1: did like hearing out of Raheem Morris that they want
Speaker 1: to do some more play action coming out of the buy,
Speaker 1: that that's been a focus to them. We've been talking
Speaker 1: about that him at all hasn't been able to so
Speaker 1: can they Maybe they took the old way they were
Speaker 1: playing and they took it as far as they could.
Speaker 1: Actually think they've they've done pretty well considering some limitations
Speaker 1: on offense, they're big. They're bigger issue is is the
Speaker 1: defense the toughest. I've never seen a team that struggles
Speaker 1: so much to get off blocks. I do think Raheem
Speaker 1: has been an aggressive coach. I think they've done a
Speaker 1: good job coaching and Jim Harbor I was a little conservative,
Speaker 1: So maybe that helps. Atlanta's going for some fourth downs.
Speaker 1: They take some chances in this game. It's a really
Speaker 1: intriguing game. They will not the Chargers, that is have
Speaker 1: JK Dobbins, our guy Yeh sprained MCL. When I heard that,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that's good news, but considering the
Speaker 1: history of injuries he's had, I was fearing maybe he
Speaker 1: was out for the year. And they will have him back,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a playoff team. But they have a lot of tough
Speaker 1: games coming up, not a lot, not a lot of
Speaker 1: automatic wins on their schedule, so they should have him back.
Speaker 2: For the end of the season, and real quick when
Speaker 2: say they don't beat themselves, Baltimore beat them the other night.
Speaker 2: But if they hang on to some of those passes,
Speaker 2: that's a lot more of a toe to toe battle
Speaker 2: than what we saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just especially coming down late.
Speaker 3: There was of course there were the pass interference calls
Speaker 3: that who you can have some discussions about, but that
Speaker 3: qwentn Johnson drop on third down. Actually, the best catch
Speaker 3: of the night by a Charger was Herbert randomly spun
Speaker 3: to the sideline and through a ninety five mile an
Speaker 3: hour ass ball behind Gus Edwards and he reached up
Speaker 3: in those the best playoffs saw all night. Other than that,
Speaker 3: and there's some lad catches are really really not a
Speaker 3: lot of success. To speak, Will Disley played well. We'll
Speaker 3: give credit to Will Disley.
Speaker 1: That will be an off season focus is upgrading the
Speaker 1: wide receiver position.
Speaker 3: They got add speed playing against the Falcons defense plays
Speaker 3: a lot of his own. Ajterrell career high seventy seven
Speaker 3: point eight percent of his snaps and zone coverage this season.
Speaker 3: A lot of that may be related to their inability
Speaker 3: uh to rush the passer. Where the Ravens had success
Speaker 3: as a pass rush group, especially late against this team.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't see the Falcons uh doing that,
Speaker 3: you know, unless there's some sort of miracle on the
Speaker 3: buy and shout out to Raheem if they're able to
Speaker 3: pull that off, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think they will. No, that was our game of
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Speaker 3: Let's go to another team in the NFC South that's
Speaker 3: on a bit of a hot streak as we get
Speaker 3: to another Los Angeles Sea, the Los Angeles Rams two
Speaker 3: and a half point favorites on the road at Darren
Speaker 3: Rizzy's New Orleans Saints Kenny Albert, Jonathan Willema, Megan o'levi
Speaker 3: on the call. It's a forty nine point over under
Speaker 3: Steve As we have seen a whole lot of permutations
Speaker 3: of this Saints team here recently. This recent addition is
Speaker 3: it enough to come and get a win against a
Speaker 3: solid Rams team?
Speaker 2: So this is one and we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 2: If Alvin Kamara can get going. He's a terrible matchup
Speaker 2: for again the Rams linebackers if they can't get him
Speaker 2: down before he gets ahead of Steam going.
Speaker 1: In the past and and running.
Speaker 2: Game or Taysom Hill, Taysom Hill has become like put
Speaker 2: him in the MVP.
Speaker 1: I'm joking. But the past couple of games, I mean,
Speaker 1: what kind of weapon is this? He unlocks their running
Speaker 1: attack with. I think he helps Kamara, they help out
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's been very interesting. But
Speaker 2: I just think the Rams offense in this one here,
Speaker 2: they get it going. I mean, they're they're gonna get
Speaker 2: Cup going, They're gonna get Pooka is sick. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's no matter how many people you put on him
Speaker 2: or how you put him, he's gonna catch it and
Speaker 2: he's gonna break the first tackle. I just think the
Speaker 2: Rams offense is gonna be a little too much in
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 1: I like the number as well. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be right around there.
Speaker 2: But I think the Saints you're gonna have too hard
Speaker 2: of a time stop in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about this game and
Speaker 1: this this is a candidate for the Survivor Pick. Although
Speaker 1: we talked a little ahead of time, and I just
Speaker 1: found one. I think I maybe like a little more.
Speaker 1: It's the game on our schedule. You think about that
Speaker 1: for a second, because I don't know what I'm getting
Speaker 1: out of the Saints team. They have played really hard
Speaker 1: under Darren Rizzi. They you know, they smoke that the
Speaker 1: Browns team in the fourth quarter. That was a close game,
Speaker 1: but they got that win against the Falcons. I think
Speaker 1: the Rams are a better team. Our friends over at
Speaker 1: the Saints Block Party podcast had Jordan Rodrieg from NFL
Speaker 1: Daily and The Athletic on and their host Adam described
Speaker 1: the Rams as a good bad team and maybe the
Speaker 1: best of a good bad thing. I think that's about right.
Speaker 1: They're a five and six team. These two teams are
Speaker 1: kind of in the stage of the season where it's like,
Speaker 1: can you give us one more week? For our fans
Speaker 1: just want one or two more, Like the loser of
Speaker 1: this game is not going to feel like they're going anywhere.
Speaker 1: Even Saints fans have convinced themselves like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: kind of fun. Give us one more week if we
Speaker 1: beat the Rams. It's like this division, it's at least
Speaker 1: it's we're having some fun give us one more week.
Speaker 1: Rams fans, give us one more week. Get to six
Speaker 1: and six, we might be tied for first place. There
Speaker 1: will be one big game backwards. If you'll lose this game,
Speaker 1: you're not feeling great. I don't think the Rams are
Speaker 1: a cohesive group, and that rushing attack is a lot
Speaker 1: and matches up well with the Rams. I think the
Speaker 1: Rams will win, But I talk a lot about teams
Speaker 1: find their level. Sometimes there's like a records game where oh,
Speaker 1: they should be better than their record, or they they're worse.
Speaker 1: And these two teams are exactly the records they should be.
Speaker 1: The Saints are a four and seventeam. They've now found
Speaker 1: their level after winning two straight. They are a four
Speaker 1: and seventeen. They're not the worst teams. And the Rams
Speaker 1: are about a five and sixteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one where you shay yourself. None of these,
Speaker 2: neither one of these teams. You're gonna go on a
Speaker 2: four or five game win streak to finish out the season.
Speaker 2: The Rams have the potential offensively to do it, but again,
Speaker 2: just so many the cracks they've shown lately on defense,
Speaker 2: I don't see them stringing something together like this.
Speaker 3: I feel like the Rams have a puncher's chance in
Speaker 3: every game. The things that they do well, that's true.
Speaker 3: They can execute at a very high level, and they
Speaker 3: can knock you out if need be. If it's going
Speaker 3: twelve rounds, the Rams are probably gonna eventually, you know,
Speaker 3: have some sort of error. But like we saw in
Speaker 3: that game in Seattle, they stayed in long enough for
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford to throw that big right hand and punch
Speaker 3: the Seahawks out, and the Seahawks that have had to
Speaker 3: bounce back from that. I'm just looking for if if
Speaker 3: Darren Rizzy gets a win here, he'll be a third
Speaker 3: of a way to the best Dennis Allen season in
Speaker 3: his coaching career.
Speaker 1: He would start three and oh, I mean he might
Speaker 1: be pasted it three And oh, that alone is like
Speaker 1: more exciting than anything of them winning late in the scenes.
Speaker 1: Shout out to our fellow NFL media podcaster, by the way,
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, who wasn't getting any run under Dennis Allen.
Speaker 1: And when I watched that Browns Saints game back, eventually
Speaker 1: he's suddenly playing like forty five to fifty Staffs and
Speaker 1: he's making a bunch of plays. So nice to see
Speaker 1: the long time Saint getting it done under the new staff.
Speaker 1: It's like he's reborn. Quote da, sometimes you gotta pop
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, that may be what the season turns into is
Speaker 3: just how bad was Dennis Allen? Like this, we may
Speaker 3: have a chance to do some scientific work and determine
Speaker 3: what the real value or lack thereof Dennis Allen was
Speaker 3: bringing to the New Orleans Saints. And and a win
Speaker 3: here against this up and down RAMS team could mean
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: I let's put a pin in the survivor talk and
Speaker 1: fully talk it out after the next game, and then
Speaker 1: we can we can make our pick. Oh about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because yeah, because we'll have our talk. Then let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break, actually, and yes we would be back.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about an old AFC East rivalry
Speaker 1: that's no longer an afcast back on NFL Daily. And yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe the kids don't remember, but back in the day
Speaker 1: Colts Pats, it was twice a year. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking like the later Peyton Manning Tom Brady where it's
Speaker 1: once in the regular season, once in the playoffs. That
Speaker 1: was a thing too, and that was a real deal rivalry.
Speaker 1: But when I was growing up Colts Pats twice a
Speaker 1: year all the way through. Actually a quarterback by the
Speaker 1: name of Jim Harbaugh. I remember a game he had
Speaker 1: against Drew Bledsoe. I'm like a playoff Colts team in
Speaker 1: the mid nineties that was right at the end before
Speaker 1: they they realigned. That's absolutely right, Jim Mora was in
Speaker 1: the mix. Now now we got Anthony Richardson versus Drake May,
Speaker 1: which for two teams that are under five hundred makes
Speaker 1: this inextremely watchable game to me. Yeah, very watchable.
Speaker 3: And the folks in the Desert determined it's a two
Speaker 3: and a half point favorite in the Indianapolis Colts on
Speaker 3: the road in Foxborough forty two and a half on
Speaker 3: the over under Spirodiitis at of mantre Leta and a
Speaker 3: dd Kikawala on the call greg where we saw a
Speaker 3: dominant defensive performance by the Colts because they limited the
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions to twenty four points, which in my mind
Speaker 3: qualifies as one of their best defensive performances of the year.
Speaker 3: Problem is they only were able to score six. Jonathan
Speaker 3: Taylor really couldn't get things going, and this high variance
Speaker 3: passing attack saw the low side of the high variants
Speaker 3: with some bigger completions that were not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they won't have Josh downs this week most likely.
Speaker 1: Ian Rapaport, our insider said that he is likely to
Speaker 1: be weak to week with a shoulder injury, and he's
Speaker 1: really key for what they do. That's disappointing. But Shane
Speaker 1: Stike and I think pointed out correctly after he watched
Speaker 1: the film what I thought watching that game was. I
Speaker 1: thought Richardson is building and despite the completion percentage in
Speaker 1: that game, it was a good performance by him, and
Speaker 1: they're getting more cohesive. They need to be able to
Speaker 1: run the ball. But this is a coaching mismatch to
Speaker 1: me overall, I'm just not impressed with what I've seen
Speaker 1: out of the Patriots coaching staff, making the same sort
Speaker 1: of mental mistakes over and over on defense, just false
Speaker 1: starts galore, penalties galore on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: I think they had thirteen last week. Really poor offensive line.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm considering them as the survivor pick them
Speaker 1: or the Rams. I think are interesting road options. We've
Speaker 1: taken a lot of the good teams this week. Just
Speaker 1: something to think about as we talk about this game.
Speaker 1: I guess I like.
Speaker 2: That thought because normally, you know, I mean, I love
Speaker 2: Drink May. I think he's going to be a star,
Speaker 2: and just some of the things I've seen out of
Speaker 2: the Patriots. But they seem almost to the point like
Speaker 2: they've given almost all they have and they're just out.
Speaker 2: They're just I mean, I know, I know it's early,
Speaker 2: but I mean you see that sometimes like, man, I've
Speaker 2: gotten everything.
Speaker 1: I've squeezed all the juice out of this one. Two
Speaker 1: more teams that haven't had a bye, by the way,
Speaker 1: so there might be some of that playing now. Both
Speaker 1: these teams are among the six pack that are finally
Speaker 1: get there buy in week fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems, you know, maybe they're to that point.
Speaker 2: I do like the Colts because the physicality that they
Speaker 2: play with on both sides of the ball. We'll see
Speaker 2: Anthony Richards and this this is a really good game
Speaker 2: because the Drake May factor. I mean, he's just so good.
Speaker 2: We know the Colts, they don't vary up their defense, Potch.
Speaker 2: They let the guys a front get after it and
Speaker 2: they let these guys in the zone in the back
Speaker 2: end try to make play. So I think I think
Speaker 2: Drake May's gonna make some plays with his arms and
Speaker 2: his leg But I just think the Colts are a
Speaker 2: better team. And I don't know if I'm that comfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm probably more comfortable. We go Survivor with.
Speaker 1: With Rams or with Colts with Colts. Hmm.
Speaker 3: I am also look at this taking the Indianapolis Colts,
Speaker 3: who on defense have a statistical anomaly. So if we
Speaker 3: go to the leading tacklers in the NFL right now,
Speaker 3: Zire Franklin one hundred and twenty three, I can Nick
Speaker 3: Cross one hundred and sixteen, Roquan has one hundred and ten.
Speaker 1: E J.
Speaker 3: Speed has one hundred and eight. Yeah, there are three
Speaker 3: Colts in the top four in the NFL in tackles
Speaker 3: right now. They see a lot of action.
Speaker 1: That's the way you want. That just means they're always
Speaker 1: at your offense isn't having a lot of plays.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is despite that, they were able
Speaker 3: to do what they did against the Lions. I'll be
Speaker 3: at a David Montgomery less Detroit Lions in the second half.
Speaker 3: This team faced a lot of adversity on the defensive
Speaker 3: side of the ball and it's still managed to be successful.
Speaker 3: And I believe in the offense I do. I think
Speaker 3: they'll get it together now.
Speaker 1: The Patriots have had these really down games, and this
Speaker 1: tends to happen with a lot of teams, especially immature teams,
Speaker 1: and I have seen that they have usually bounced back
Speaker 1: from their worst performances. I don't think they're done for
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. I just think the coaching
Speaker 1: staff for the Colts is significantly better and that even
Speaker 1: though they're not a great team, their defense has played better.
Speaker 1: I like them better with Richardson playing the way he
Speaker 1: is now, and I think they're a tier above the
Speaker 1: Patriots where they are. They're an average NFL team to me,
Speaker 1: and the Patriots are far far from that. And I
Speaker 1: hate I hate to keep picking on Mayo, but like
Speaker 1: sometimes you take on the personality of your coach and
Speaker 1: these postgame press conferences where he says these little things
Speaker 1: and people get on him for these little things and
Speaker 1: you don't want to make too big of a deal,
Speaker 1: but he's like, I can only do so much after
Speaker 1: they cross the lines. It's like the sloppiness with which
Speaker 1: he talks to the press, it's like the sloppiness on
Speaker 1: the field he keeps he keeps putting his foot in
Speaker 1: his mouth. He's like me, if I was an NFL
Speaker 1: head coach, you know how many times I would say
Speaker 1: the wrong thing? I'd be out by week five.
Speaker 2: This is one of those things, like we've heard for years,
Speaker 2: really good players becoming coaches expect everybody to have their
Speaker 2: same work ethic. You know, there's some of their values
Speaker 2: and things like that, and if you don't see it,
Speaker 2: you lose it, like he does.
Speaker 1: Girod Mayo was a grinder of a player. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: not seeing that all the time. I just don't think
Speaker 1: they've been particularly well coached s gommatically on defense either,
Speaker 1: So that's that's more my issue. Mike McDaniel was just
Speaker 1: it was like easy buttons all day. That thing could
Speaker 1: have been like a fifty burger that those Dolphins put up.
Speaker 1: It was bad.
Speaker 3: Sometimes a lapse in talent maybe could kind of limit
Speaker 3: your options as a defensive staff. But I do agree
Speaker 3: that those things probably matter more than what he says
Speaker 3: in the in the press conference is Greig which you know,
Speaker 3: zero points were scored.
Speaker 1: I get it. I want to get back.
Speaker 2: It's a linebacker thing, though, because typically your leading tackles
Speaker 2: play on the worst team because they're on the field
Speaker 2: all the time. But in Gus Bradley's scheme, those are
Speaker 2: the guys asked to make all the plays. So I mean,
Speaker 2: think about Bobby Wagner and those guys back in the
Speaker 2: day when Gus coached him, Alex Anzelooni, when he was
Speaker 2: playing with the Yags. That's that's just kind of but
Speaker 2: it is an anomaly.
Speaker 1: I see them on the upward trend. I watched that
Speaker 1: Colt Lions game closely, and that game could have really
Speaker 1: been been different on both sides. Well, I just think
Speaker 1: they're getting better. So all right, we're going survivor against
Speaker 1: my Patriots. A big, big spot for you to crake
Speaker 1: made a.
Speaker 2: I can't we can't wait till Alex van Pelt puts
Speaker 2: one on you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've backdoored ourselves in a way for to enjoy
Speaker 3: this either way, I can't.
Speaker 1: Believe we've done this. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to another game, another divisional matchup,
Speaker 3: actually the first divisional matchup that we've been able to
Speaker 3: discuss here today.
Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers doing.
Speaker 3: What they do late this season, playing a division rival
Speaker 3: late the Cincinnati Bengals hosting the Steelers.
Speaker 1: The Bengals three point favorites. How the hell?
Speaker 3: When I saw that, I was like, okay, I'm reacting now, like, no,
Speaker 3: is that right?
Speaker 1: I mean I saw that on here is like, there's
Speaker 1: no way? Why not? Okay, it's great? Why not? Steve?
Speaker 2: First Off, Cincinnati's not a very good football team. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: we know the Steelers have had what two touchdowns in
Speaker 2: their past two games. They're kicking a lot of field goals. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of people are scoring points on the Bengals,
Speaker 2: and this is one. Now, I will say this. I
Speaker 2: was at the game in Cleveland when the Steelers I thought,
Speaker 2: I know, some people were really encouraged by the Justin
Speaker 2: Fields rotation. I thought it broke up some of the
Speaker 2: flow of the Steelers offense. I think this is a
Speaker 2: game will actually will work in their favor. I think
Speaker 2: kind of confusing some of the key pieces and scheming
Speaker 2: some of the key pieces against a familiar opponent could
Speaker 2: work against a team that's leaky in some areas. I
Speaker 2: do think the Steelers need to get Naji Harris a
Speaker 2: little bit more involved. We saw last week they went
Speaker 2: really with Jalen Warren. I think this is a game
Speaker 2: where they can bully the Bengals. I just think after
Speaker 2: the loss to Cleveland, there's some things they can clean up,
Speaker 2: like blocking Miles Garrett. They've got Trey hendrickson this week.
Speaker 2: That's something they've got to figure out. But I just
Speaker 2: think overall, their defense is not going to get scorched
Speaker 2: by Joey b and Jamar and I distinct the offensively.
Speaker 1: They'll fix some things. It's a tough spot.
Speaker 3: The Bengals have found and located ways to lose football
Speaker 3: games late, even even spots that you don't necessarily expect,
Speaker 3: like they're you know, former All World kicker as a
Speaker 3: rookie going into so far and missing two key field goals,
Speaker 3: late turnovers, late, scoring every drive, but then mysteriously malfunctioning
Speaker 3: towards the end of games.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The three points, Greg kind of feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: America's familiarity with the Cincinnati Bengals leaning to where the
Speaker 3: odds makers perhaps care and I say this because I
Speaker 3: say this all the time, perhaps care more about what
Speaker 3: the public is going to do than what's gonna happen
Speaker 3: in the actual game, because that's what influences money going
Speaker 3: in their particular direction, because I would not favor the
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals, especially over a team that's had the success.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty I'm fairly confident I picked the Steelers, unless
Speaker 3: unless I did to try to play.
Speaker 1: Cary think about it, because you're right, like, week after week,
Speaker 1: we just keep slightly overrating the Bengals. I picked against
Speaker 1: them a lot, but just thinking it's gonna come back
Speaker 1: and underrating the Steelers. The Steelers have found a way
Speaker 1: to win these sort of games. This is really, this
Speaker 1: is finally it. I feel like every game the Bengals
Speaker 1: play lately is like, all right, well, they gotta get
Speaker 1: this one, and then it's the next week after losing
Speaker 1: another heartbreaker, all right, well, now they gotta get this one.
Speaker 1: This is kind of the end of the road. I
Speaker 1: know the schedule eases up after this game, although they
Speaker 1: have the Steelers again, but at some point you're four
Speaker 1: and eight, like you're done. You're done in a good conference.
Speaker 1: If you're four and eight, this really is the end
Speaker 1: of the road for their hopes beat a good team.
Speaker 1: They just can't beat. They keep being close against good teams.
Speaker 1: I think they're one and six in one score games.
Speaker 1: This season. You gotta do it. I picked them to win.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know why, other than I think
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense in the back end maybe does have
Speaker 1: some vulnerabilities. T Higgins was awesome in that Chargers game,
Speaker 1: and now they're coming off of by everyone's healthy and
Speaker 1: just ken you outscore or the Steelers. You're making a
Speaker 1: face of me. No, this is all. I picked the
Speaker 1: home team type of game. If it was in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: pick Pits. Well, I'm gonna be at this game.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a high of twenty nine degrees, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: So when you got weather like that, are you going
Speaker 2: deep shot ball?
Speaker 1: Are you going run the football and pound it? Okay?
Speaker 2: And that's one thing that the Bengals cannot do. Steelers
Speaker 2: getting Alex Heismith back. Bengal's coming off of by Steelers
Speaker 2: a Thursday night game, so they've had a couple extra
Speaker 2: days to prepare with some salt in their mouth. I
Speaker 2: think Pittsburgh comes out and it plays a good game.
Speaker 1: Here some stats for you. During the seven quarters where
Speaker 1: the Steelers didn't score a touchdown. This is from the Athletic,
Speaker 1: almost forty percent of their plays went for zero or
Speaker 1: negative yards. They didn't have a target for Mike Williams
Speaker 1: in those seven quarters, so it might be a combination
Speaker 1: of things that Mike Williams isn't the guy coming off
Speaker 1: the acl right now you're making.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, I mean, is
Speaker 2: that really a swing vote? Is that really a difference maker? It?
Speaker 1: Well, but they would hope that he would be a
Speaker 1: difference maker because maybe they're a little thin, maybe not
Speaker 1: a team that's taking advantage of weak secondaries, bad safety
Speaker 1: positions like the Bengals, like like you should because they're
Speaker 1: wide receivers just aren't that great and they're not. They're
Speaker 1: and they're number one wide receiver who is great is
Speaker 1: an insane person. I mean, our friend Andrew Siciliano pointed
Speaker 1: this out to be how on the hail Mary. I mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn't even trying to get the ball, He's just tackling.
Speaker 1: What is this? He's just crazy, man. He's awesome though,
Speaker 1: but he is crazy. Russ. Another stat from those seven quarters,
Speaker 1: four for eleven in the red zone. And they haven't
Speaker 1: really run the ball very well. So I haven't, but
Speaker 1: I know it's a better matchup.
Speaker 2: But the Bengals are giving up thirty points a game
Speaker 2: to plus five hundred teams height.
Speaker 3: Them got in my ear and reminded me I actually
Speaker 3: did pick the Bengals on game debut.
Speaker 1: Switch it.
Speaker 3: I might switch, you know, we've we've got a couple
Speaker 3: hours to make that decision. But the Bengals not mathematically eliminated.
Speaker 3: They're currently at twenty three percent with a win. If
Speaker 3: they lose, it'll be down to five.
Speaker 1: Percon twenty three relatively high. And they do get the Cowboys, Titans,
Speaker 1: and Browns. I know the Browns have been a little
Speaker 1: feisty after this before finishing with the Broncos and SiO.
Speaker 1: So if if you can get this one, I am
Speaker 1: buying that they're in the mix. I would agree. But
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. This is the end of the
Speaker 1: road type of game. Should be a proud team. This
Speaker 1: is a team that was a couple of plays away
Speaker 1: from winning the Super Bowl. It could get blown up
Speaker 1: if they do not win this game and they do
Speaker 1: not make a player.
Speaker 2: Jamar Ches and Joey b are gonna be happy if
Speaker 2: they lose this game. Yeah, they haven't be happy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, they've got to win this game.
Speaker 3: So after Dan Moore had his issues with Miles Garrett,
Speaker 3: he goes up against Trey Hendrickson, who's got thirty three
Speaker 3: pressures in five sacks in one hundred and thirty snaps
Speaker 3: one on one against more So.
Speaker 2: I think was a healthy I think was he a
Speaker 2: lot of two tighten Darnel Washington's gonna be playing that
Speaker 2: third tackle for the stuff that dude.
Speaker 3: All right, let's leave that one and go to the
Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals at the Minnesota pickings three and a half
Speaker 3: point favorites over under his forty five Joe Davis, g
Speaker 3: reg and Pam Oliver on the call. Greg, we saw
Speaker 3: a Cardinals offense that was so hot really get stifled
Speaker 3: by Mike Max defense in Seattle, going up against the
Speaker 3: Brian Flora's defense that just saw Caleb throw for three
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 1: Who are these interesting point there that the Flora's defense
Speaker 1: is taking on a little bit of water. They're not
Speaker 1: blitzing as much. Kyler's really struggled against the blitz. Looked
Speaker 1: at the numbers this week twenty fifth according to PFF
Speaker 1: against the blitz fifth when he's not pressured. All the
Speaker 1: actual numbers success rate, all that stuff really goes down.
Speaker 1: So maybe this is a week Flores dials it up
Speaker 1: against and for the Cardinals. I think it's a real
Speaker 1: test of toughness. Young team, new head coaching staff, who's
Speaker 1: done a really good job overall. You really just got
Speaker 1: handed to you in a big spot on the road.
Speaker 1: Now you have to go on the road again against
Speaker 1: a very challenging team, a type of game that can
Speaker 1: make or break if you're really a team that's gonna
Speaker 1: be in it here for the long haul. I don't
Speaker 1: even need them to win this game, just just have
Speaker 1: it come down to the end and be representative of
Speaker 1: the Cardinals because I still don't feel like I totally
Speaker 1: know who this team is. It's a bit of like
Speaker 1: a mental and physical toughness test, I think for this
Speaker 1: team that I think has just been playing over their
Speaker 1: heads slightly all year, and maybe they can keep it going.
Speaker 2: You know, they're a physically tough team on both sides
Speaker 2: of the ball. I will give them that, But you know,
Speaker 2: you talk about the blitz, Let's not talk about pass
Speaker 2: pressure blitzer. They're gonna Brian Floyd's gonna run blitz. They're
Speaker 2: gonna gap this thing up across the board. They've got
Speaker 2: edge setter to not let Kyler get up there, and
Speaker 2: they may not get that upfield blitz rushed.
Speaker 1: They may do the kind of picket fence thing just
Speaker 1: to not let them leak.
Speaker 2: And then they've got some guys who can get in
Speaker 2: there and make plays because they wrote the secondary rotation
Speaker 2: can get those quarterbacks when they try. You know, Josh
Speaker 2: mun tellis, you know Harrison, guys like that. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm interesting if Minnesota's offense can get it going. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know Jj and add we give them props every week,
Speaker 2: Donald props every week. I think I liked the three
Speaker 2: and a half number for Arizona to beat it.
Speaker 1: I like the Vikings to win.
Speaker 2: But I think this is going to be a real
Speaker 2: tough game because I don't think Arizona gets the credit
Speaker 2: of physicality. But I think the question of consistent physicality
Speaker 2: is one that they do need.
Speaker 1: To ask Vikings fans actually this week, this is the
Speaker 1: week they decided to say we're not getting enough credit.
Speaker 1: They are nine and two, they're fifth in the NFL
Speaker 1: in point differential. They've been extremely consistent as a team,
Speaker 1: even the two losses they had in a row. It's
Speaker 1: not like they just weren't there and it was against
Speaker 1: good team. It was understandable. Like they've been very consistent.
Speaker 3: And they've been able to execute when the things that
Speaker 3: have been good for them aren't necessarily That's a great point.
Speaker 3: Like the game in Jacksonville where the offense and Sam
Speaker 3: Donald did not have things go on, the defense able
Speaker 3: to pick them up. There the game last week where
Speaker 3: the defense gives up back to back scoring drives by
Speaker 3: the Bears, late teams gives up on an onside kick,
Speaker 3: they getting overtime. Donald them go out there and execute.
Speaker 3: Where Sam Donald in terms of passer rating games over
Speaker 3: one hundred, it's him and Lamar right now, and then
Speaker 3: everybody else like Sam Donald playing well in spots in
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison. I think Sam Donald threw the ball twenty
Speaker 3: two times last week. Nine of those completions went to
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison. Yeah, I mean, I mean twenty two completions
Speaker 3: last week, Nine of them went to Jordan. I mean,
Speaker 3: how many did JJ have? He didn't have hardly any,
Speaker 3: not very many. He did draw a deep pass interference
Speaker 3: that was able to set them up on the one
Speaker 3: yard line.
Speaker 1: Also, they did a great job pointing out on the
Speaker 1: broadcast on the first Addison touchdown, just how Jalen Johnson
Speaker 1: is just drifting and drifting backwards because he's worried about
Speaker 1: j J. Jefferson, and that opens it up. It's amazing
Speaker 1: because Hockinson had a great game too many You really
Speaker 1: have a lot of depth of weapon.
Speaker 3: Y Jones, and I think the tendency breaker was the
Speaker 3: Cardinals not having success in the red zone against Seattle,
Speaker 3: where some of you know, they're playing on the road
Speaker 3: against a good team, against an improving defense. They get
Speaker 3: down there, they actually had a touchdown call back for penalty,
Speaker 3: and then they had to kick a field goal that
Speaker 3: wound up being who the Margins I think slim in
Speaker 3: that game. I think they're also a slim in this one.
Speaker 3: I would agree, so slimming that. Once again, I can't
Speaker 3: remember who I picked.
Speaker 1: This is a tough one I pick. I picked the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: and I do worry that that's an early week pick
Speaker 1: of what I want to see happen versus really thinking
Speaker 1: they're a better team pound for pound than the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: But I mean, then the Vikings, there is something about
Speaker 1: this search bar defense you're talking about. They're up to
Speaker 1: twelfth and DVOA and maybe we'll make this a weekly
Speaker 1: segment because you're absolutely right. I looked at the players
Speaker 1: getting snaps for them. Last week, a man named Dadrian
Speaker 1: Taylor Demerson had sixty four snaps for them, and maybe
Speaker 1: the weekly segment can do we can tell you a
Speaker 1: little bit more about some of these players. A man
Speaker 1: named Nakwon Jones played a significant amount of snaps at
Speaker 1: nose tackle. He's a twenty six year old who came
Speaker 1: out of Michigan State un drafted, spent three years with
Speaker 1: the Titans bounce around and practice squads. Was on the
Speaker 1: Dolphins actually at one point this year practice squad, and
Speaker 1: then the Cardinals brought him back and now here he
Speaker 1: is playing significant snaps from the great town of Evanston, Illinois,
Speaker 1: where my girlfriend was from. So yeah, great, here you play, baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one search at a time, we will, we will
Speaker 3: do our jobs and find out more about this.
Speaker 1: Didn't even join the Cardinals actually until September twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: and here he is playing big time snaps for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love it, just getting getting a squad together.
Speaker 3: It's it's one day when they make the movie. And
Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon is doing that scene like a heist movie
Speaker 3: where you get everybody together. They're gonna make a movie
Speaker 3: about this Cardinals team, and I love it. Maybe this
Speaker 3: quote will be in it. Let's go to the Houston Texans,
Speaker 3: the up and down, very up and down Houston Texans
Speaker 3: as of late four point favorites at the Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 3: and all of their issues coming off of the bye.
Speaker 3: Kevin Coogler, Moose Johnston and Laura Oakman on the call.
Speaker 3: Steve back here in the division where we thought the
Speaker 3: Texans would experienced all that success with Nico Collins coming back.
Speaker 3: He played a great game, but they lose in the
Speaker 3: division to the Tennessee Titans. What if it happens again
Speaker 3: here in.
Speaker 2: Duval and Trevor's back, right, Trevor Lawrence is coming back
Speaker 2: off that shoulder injury for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be fresh.
Speaker 2: They're getting both their running backs back, Etn and Biggsby
Speaker 2: are coming back, so they're gonna they're gonna feel fresh,
Speaker 2: and they know this Houston team might be questioning themselves.
Speaker 2: This is one and Greg, I think you alluded to
Speaker 2: this very early in the season, like nobody saw Houston
Speaker 2: coming they've tasted success or they smelling themselves a little bit,
Speaker 2: even getting some of the additions that they made. Stefan
Speaker 2: Diggs of courses off for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: But they're just not They don't seem to have a
Speaker 2: good vibe.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: This is the part of the season where we see
Speaker 2: teams do this year after year, kicking into gear and
Speaker 2: they get rolling. This is the game they have to
Speaker 2: do this. This five number, Houston favorite is way too
Speaker 2: big for me.
Speaker 1: Agree it was. It was too big. It was six initially.
Speaker 1: I think it's down to four now in some spots. Four.
Speaker 1: And the Texans are another one of those teams that
Speaker 1: could really use their by They're going to get it
Speaker 1: next week because they just they feel like they need
Speaker 1: a major reset. They got to unplug the they got
Speaker 1: to unplug the console or something. And because they can't
Speaker 1: find solutions, they're not doing a good job coaching. To me,
Speaker 1: because they have the same issues every week. Run blocking.
Speaker 1: I asked Seth Payne, who does a great job on
Speaker 1: the radio there in Houston, just what is up? And
Speaker 1: he pointed to the tackles who are really highly paid.
Speaker 1: Tunsl and Titus Howard in the running game that it
Speaker 1: really has not been cohesive because they are one of
Speaker 1: the worst running teams in the NFL despite having a
Speaker 1: great running back playing well, Like they're only i think
Speaker 1: four games all year in terms of a success rate
Speaker 1: being at a certain terrible level, and the Texans are
Speaker 1: two of them where they've just been in. Some of
Speaker 1: it is their tackles. Sorry, if you're not getting a
Speaker 1: lot out of your high investments in the running game.
Speaker 1: There was a two play sequence at the end of
Speaker 1: that game last week that really stuck with me. Second
Speaker 1: and nine in the on the goal line I think
Speaker 1: was second and goal on the nine late in the
Speaker 1: game where they're trying to win the game, and that
Speaker 1: was before fair Baron missed the field goal that would
Speaker 1: have tied it and just like five guys in the
Speaker 1: backfield wasting it down on Joe Mixon on second down,
Speaker 1: third down? The who are they playing last week Tennessee,
Speaker 1: they sent some extra rushers. Everyone's running through back to
Speaker 1: back plays where the offensive skill players had zero chance,
Speaker 1: negative chance of doing anything in the biggest moments of
Speaker 1: the game, zero chance, and then they missed the field goal.
Speaker 1: Like that's what's happening with this Texans.
Speaker 3: Team, and you really see the offense slow up when
Speaker 3: because Joe Mixon right now top five in the league
Speaker 3: and yards over expected. He's awesome on outside runs because
Speaker 3: looking at the way that Howard is blocking on some
Speaker 3: of these outside runs, especially in that direction, those a
Speaker 3: yards aren't expected because there's nothing there for Joe Leakson.
Speaker 3: And now you have to do it against Trevon Walker
Speaker 3: and Josh Hans Allen, two hammers where you're not.
Speaker 1: Moving those guys on the outside.
Speaker 3: In fact, that the Jags allowing the second fewest rushing
Speaker 3: yards over expected on runs to the outside, specifically because
Speaker 3: of the work that those guys were able to do
Speaker 3: against tackles that are better in the run game, right yeah,
Speaker 3: than Tunsel and Howard.
Speaker 2: I'm just man, Patrick that that that such good stuff
Speaker 2: because you know a lary Me Tunsel, this is one
Speaker 2: of the best athletes in the NFL. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: been banged up a little bit, but you can power,
Speaker 2: you can athlete them, you can pull him, and it's
Speaker 2: just not working. I mean, I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is something where that you remember Bobby Slowak, the OC
Speaker 2: was a guy who got head coaching opportunities after last
Speaker 2: year's first year's in oc why this run game isn't
Speaker 2: working because actually has been two years in a row
Speaker 2: where they have not run the ball. And now you're
Speaker 2: hearing people saying CJ. Shroud is starting to look at
Speaker 2: the at the pressure. You know, that's not him. He's
Speaker 2: somebody who felt very comfortable in the pocket last year
Speaker 2: doing what he does, and now if he's kind of
Speaker 2: anticipating he's gonna get hit.
Speaker 1: It's a seeing him regress some Now, he did have
Speaker 1: a lot of really special throws in that game, along
Speaker 1: with some really negative plays where he did seem to
Speaker 1: see the pass rush and you can see with his
Speaker 1: expressions and body language how frustrated he is getting. One
Speaker 1: note which we haven't mentioned on the game, were you
Speaker 1: guys aware Doug Peterson is the coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Still,
Speaker 1: we sort of left that two weeks ago and we
Speaker 1: assumed he wasn't going to be Remember when we got
Speaker 1: to the Bible, he is the coach. It's it's been
Speaker 1: it's been a game of survivor. I think that's good. Actually,
Speaker 1: why bother you don't have a better coach in the
Speaker 1: building at the at the end of the year, it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen and stuff. But if if it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: don't just do it, just to do it.
Speaker 3: My first time in Jacksonville for this regime, I was
Speaker 3: watching closely as Trent Balk and Doug Peterson were out
Speaker 3: there and practice at camp, and the was walking towards
Speaker 3: the coach, and the coach would continue to find a
Speaker 3: reason to walk, to walk around the other god just
Speaker 3: doing circles around the field. And it's a very interesting
Speaker 3: economy and it's a fun game of survivor to watch
Speaker 3: both of them.
Speaker 1: Respect respect to Doug Peterson, no shout out to coach,
Speaker 1: respect to Doug. They need to they need to have
Speaker 1: just a like a Doug Peterson appreciation Day during the
Speaker 1: Eagles playoff run, Like have him outside at the statue,
Speaker 1: just like remember remember when you were you were a legend.
Speaker 1: He still is a legend, still the coach. We're still
Speaker 1: doing this show. We got four more games to get to.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break and we'll come back
Speaker 1: with the rest of the slate, including some primetime games
Speaker 1: that aren't what we expected coming into this. Back at
Speaker 1: NFL Daily, shout out to our broadcast career on this
Speaker 1: next game, I think Catalan Tiaki, Jason mccordy, a j
Speaker 1: Ross been doing a good job this year. J Joy
Speaker 1: is so good. He sees the game a certain way.
Speaker 1: He describes he is so good.
Speaker 3: And they get an opportunity to watch a young, hot
Speaker 3: quarterback with an offense that just put up a ton
Speaker 3: of points. I'm talking about Will Levis Washington Commanders, who
Speaker 3: are five and a half point favorites the over under
Speaker 3: forty five. We already discussed the broadcast crew as we
Speaker 3: didn't know what to expect from this Tennessee Titans team.
Speaker 3: But now Steve, with Tony Pollard playing well, with Calvin
Speaker 3: Ridley and Will Levis playing well. Aside from a pick sick,
Speaker 3: sometimes you get got right. He got got against the
Speaker 3: Houston Texans, but he came back. They won the game,
Speaker 3: and the Tennessee Titans are fun. Steve, there, They're fine.
Speaker 3: I mean, we know they're tough team.
Speaker 2: Their defense, starred as one of the best in the NFL,
Speaker 2: kind of faded a little bit. But now Will Levis
Speaker 2: is playing well and he's got an opportunity to go
Speaker 2: against a secondary in Washington. It's a question mark. It's
Speaker 2: been their question mark all season long. They've been able
Speaker 2: to manage some things defensively because their front seven is
Speaker 2: so good and Frankie Luvu and Bobby Wagner. That's a
Speaker 2: Frankie louver reth. There you go, if there had to
Speaker 2: get that in. But you know this is one where
Speaker 2: Washington one. Are they gonna have any running backs for
Speaker 2: this game? All right, that's one thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson comes out, we don't. Austin Eckler, we don't
Speaker 2: know if he's gonna be in. Doesn't look like it.
Speaker 2: It's intrigue gaming their kicker. Oh man, last game killer,
Speaker 2: he's hurt now they just put him on ir right,
Speaker 2: So this is trick of the five and a half.
Speaker 1: It's probably should have done that before last game.
Speaker 3: If he doesn't he was hurt anyway. If he doesn't,
Speaker 3: if he doesn't play last week, they win. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: because nobody on the defense tackle Cavante Turpin. But Austin
Speaker 3: Cybert's effort was one of the worst that we'll see
Speaker 3: by a kicker on a kick return in a very
Speaker 3: very long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one where we're gonna have to see
Speaker 2: Jadon and Daniels come out and really ball out regats, but.
Speaker 1: They didn't deserve to win that game. Anyways. When you
Speaker 1: watch that game, the Commanders not like they played well,
Speaker 1: No they didn't. They made big plays and that was it.
Speaker 2: But they got dominated and pretty much every aspect of
Speaker 2: the game. But I think this is one where Jayden
Speaker 2: and Daniels can get it going. I mean him, it's
Speaker 2: Gary Terry and some plays. If they hit enough big plays,
Speaker 2: that's all they need. And defensively, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're still trying to make Patrick. But they might get
Speaker 2: Marshall Latimore back this week. I was told they weren't
Speaker 2: expecting him back into the following game, but he has
Speaker 2: practiced this week that if they get him on the field,
Speaker 2: they can move Mikey Sammers still back into the slot
Speaker 2: where he's like that little dude's a stud anyway, but
Speaker 2: a slot is where he really shines.
Speaker 1: That'll really help him in the game like that. That
Speaker 1: would be huge, especially in this game where the team
Speaker 1: they're facing has one clear number one receiver, where in
Speaker 1: the past that's that's a lot of more assignment. Now
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley is it's quick that that's a tough assignment
Speaker 1: coming off of an injury, and maybe it's something where
Speaker 1: Latimore can single up Noah Brown has I mean not
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. Rather Ladim can single up you know, Westbrook
Speaker 1: a Keena on the other side and you can double
Speaker 1: double Ridley. However it is that you want to run.
Speaker 1: That would be massive for them because that's been a problem.
Speaker 1: And Brian Robinson was at practice. That's a surprise that
Speaker 1: everyone who went crazy on the fantasy waiver wire for
Speaker 1: Jeremy McNichols, so we'll see it. Sounds like Brian Robinson
Speaker 1: might be able to play. It'd be huge for that.
Speaker 1: Injuries is big. I don't think Jayden is getting bothered
Speaker 1: by the Ribs at all whatsoever because them calling speed
Speaker 1: option and him running up the middle on one of
Speaker 1: their first snaps of the game and him not playing
Speaker 1: with any fear at all two point conversion in a
Speaker 1: big spot. Thought he showed enough in that fourth quarter
Speaker 1: of that game to really make you feel good. I
Speaker 1: don't rus he played. I actually thought he played a
Speaker 1: pretty solid game overall. That their shortcomings were more his
Speaker 1: guys weren't open, a couple of drops, a couple penalties,
Speaker 1: a little bit everything, and not getting helped from the
Speaker 1: running game. So I feel good about where he is at,
Speaker 1: but not good enough to give them five and a
Speaker 1: half points. I just just preview the Against the Spread
Speaker 1: picks pod that's coming up on Friday. It's gonna drop
Speaker 1: on Friday this week with Cynthia. Tennessee was my number
Speaker 1: one pick last year. Last week I was loving that
Speaker 1: eight and a half. They went and won out right.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't surprise me if they won out right this week either,
Speaker 1: Like I'd give a little edge to Washington, But to me,
Speaker 1: the Titans are better than their record indicates at this
Speaker 1: point in the season. In Washington, maybe it is a
Speaker 1: little worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, especially the way the Callahan has schemed
Speaker 3: up Calvin Ridley as of late Tony Pollard, kind of
Speaker 3: eliminating teams playing two high safeties and giving Calvin Ridley
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of space to work for where it's
Speaker 3: not like Will Levis mak it some tight window throw.
Speaker 3: He's able to put the ball out in space and
Speaker 3: let Calvin Ridley use that adjustment ability to go get it.
Speaker 3: I have wondered and thought about this, Steve, because you
Speaker 3: were one of the very first people I remember several
Speaker 3: years ago to put this idea in my head of
Speaker 3: late season Cliff, and there it is. And for years
Speaker 3: I have wrote it off as some sort of statistical anomaly,
Speaker 3: just like a ghost in the numbers that sometimes shows up.
Speaker 3: And then we look at it and we use hindsight
Speaker 3: to say that this is always this is always what happens,
Speaker 3: and I'm starting to believe. And then and then I'm
Speaker 3: looking at Terry mclaughin running down the field on the
Speaker 3: right side to potentially win the game for the Washington
Speaker 3: Commanders late where he has been lined up five percent
Speaker 3: of the time this year, just thirty one snaps out
Speaker 3: wide adjustments like those, Do those make you believe that
Speaker 3: there's been a change or are you still a late
Speaker 3: season Cliff believer?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean look, and again this is where I mentioned before.
Speaker 2: They have Anthony Lynn on that coaching staff or he
Speaker 2: may have to say it's getting cold.
Speaker 1: I know we can to give Brian Robinson.
Speaker 2: We have to pound the football, we have to protect
Speaker 2: our quarterback a little bit more, and the best way
Speaker 2: to do that is to run. Now that would not
Speaker 2: be easy to do con Tennessee, right, but they've got to,
Speaker 2: Like you said, that adjustment that's something they have to do.
Speaker 2: But Cliff, the numbers bear it out, talking to opposing
Speaker 2: coaches bear it out. So but you know, this quarterback
Speaker 2: is what he showed. That was a great point made
Speaker 2: when he showed late in that game against the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: he's he's got a little stuff to.
Speaker 1: Him that that was encouraging. Another point against Cliff in
Speaker 1: that game, for instance, the Cowboys kept running the same
Speaker 1: blitz with Parsons on the inside. The catame kept working.
Speaker 1: So that's that's coaching in game adjustments, that sort of
Speaker 1: thing of like we do one thing, do we do
Speaker 1: it well enough? And are we talented enough to really
Speaker 1: pull that off? Because to give Cliff credit, his scheme,
Speaker 1: I believe made the level of talent on the roster
Speaker 1: outside of Daniels and McLaurin look better than it really is.
Speaker 1: And that includes the offensive line talent, you know, and
Speaker 1: it concludes the skill position talent. You're throwing throw after
Speaker 1: throw to Noah Brown and on the biggest play of
Speaker 1: the game, they're thrown it to Baits what's his name,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Bates, John Bates, one of their tight ends, John Bates.
Speaker 1: And it's just not an overly talented roster. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a couple of things competing, and yeah, you're going
Speaker 1: up against a Titans team where Levis, I'm not he
Speaker 1: hasn't taken as big a leap as Bryce, but they're
Speaker 1: kind of on a similar trajectory of second year players
Speaker 1: who got sat down for a little bit and it's
Speaker 1: come back and it's at least closer to the best
Speaker 1: version of I think that we're going to get out
Speaker 1: of Will Lewis taking away too many sacks still a
Speaker 1: big time mistake last week, but you also saw the
Speaker 1: big time throws last week. He made some great throws
Speaker 1: in that game. And so I think if you're a
Speaker 1: Will Levis family member or fan or fantasy owner, like
Speaker 1: I think this is very encouraging. This is kind of
Speaker 1: the Levis you want to see. I think his ceiling
Speaker 1: isn't like incredibly high, but this is you're making progress, all.
Speaker 3: Right, not not a full segment, but Gregor are ready
Speaker 3: to lock it in Will Levis quarterback, Tennessee Titans, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five.
Speaker 1: I don't think he will. Oh Okay, personally, I think
Speaker 1: Callahan is gonna want to his guy unless he takes
Speaker 1: another step like the step. We'll get to it. That
Speaker 1: that Price show. I mean they were last week, they won.
Speaker 1: They might win too many games to get his guys right,
Speaker 1: so maybe it'll be too difficult, but it's a good
Speaker 1: problem to help. I think he needs to keep it
Speaker 1: going and take another step even all right, the shoot
Speaker 1: or conversation charted Patrick.
Speaker 3: Another team, well, a team that feels like it is
Speaker 3: locked in. It's a young quarterback playing host on Monday
Speaker 3: Night Football to Miles Garrett and the Cleveland Browns the
Speaker 3: Denver Broncos five and a half point favorites.
Speaker 1: It's m n F.
Speaker 3: So of course Joe Troy, Lisa on the call, or
Speaker 3: you could watch a couple of brothers do a do
Speaker 3: a game broadcast as well. Where So, Greg, we saw
Speaker 3: what Miles Garrett did against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Quinn Minors,
Speaker 3: Ben Powers, Garrett Bowles, Mike McGlinchey played well well enough
Speaker 3: to keep bow Knicks looking good against this Jim.
Speaker 1: Schwartz Stefens, probably because Sean Payton will get quick enough
Speaker 1: throws that that beats the pass rush, and he's been
Speaker 1: great at scheming up quick throws, and bow Knicks deserves
Speaker 1: credit when he is holding onto the ball and he's
Speaker 1: getting protected, he's pushing the ball down the field better.
Speaker 1: They pick out the matchups for Garrett sometimes. So look,
Speaker 1: if he wants to get over there on McGlinchey, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna be pretty. And it's on national TV.
Speaker 1: He'll be over there against with Lynch. I know, my
Speaker 1: I know Miles Garrett always tries all that Patrick yeahoe
Speaker 1: on the Broncos to make him mad. I know he
Speaker 1: always tries, but he was pretty quiet and that that
Speaker 1: one game against Talis Fuaga and the Saints. But man,
Speaker 1: he showed out on that prime type game. I just
Speaker 1: think he's got to show up and have a nice,
Speaker 1: nice game here, and it's it's a tricky one. I
Speaker 1: think their defense has enough just raw talent, with with
Speaker 1: Ward and and everything they have going on that it's
Speaker 1: certainly no gimme. The Browns are not. I think the
Speaker 1: Patriots are kind of a gimme for good teams for
Speaker 1: the most part. I do not think the Browns are
Speaker 1: a gimme.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And the five and a half number to
Speaker 2: me is insane. Unless they is sane. I think I
Speaker 2: think they must think Jamis you can get up there
Speaker 2: and get winded.
Speaker 1: No James. They've had some bad games with James too,
Speaker 1: to be fair, they've had two great ones, two bad ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think you know, look, the offensive line,
Speaker 2: even as banged up as it is, they played a
Speaker 2: pretty dark good game against a really good Steelers front
Speaker 2: right T. J. Watt wasn't able to really get going.
Speaker 2: They they called the game, well, Nick chops starting to
Speaker 2: get his legs back. Guys, they're they're they're gonna be able.
Speaker 2: They did some good ball control of stuff. Oh and
Speaker 2: let's not forget Greg and Patrick. This is the Jerry
Speaker 2: Judy game. Okay, I like that.
Speaker 1: That is a game.
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy has shown up in some big spots for
Speaker 2: the Browns.
Speaker 1: Well, he is playing very well. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: playing well, maybe he's gonna get that new contract, and
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot. They got him on a very
Speaker 1: reasonable contract. I think they're feeling good about no abs
Speaker 1: exceedingly reasonable.
Speaker 3: And you know, playing against an NFL legacy, the son
Speaker 3: of a very good cornerback.
Speaker 1: In best cornerback in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll talking about last week against Joey Porter Junior.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going past her ten senior.
Speaker 3: The circumstances are different, and if if if Vance wants
Speaker 3: to put P two on Jerry Judy, then perhaps the
Speaker 3: revenge aspect to get ratcheted up, but the difficulty also
Speaker 3: gets ratcheted up. I think I think that makes for
Speaker 3: the Elijah More game because I feel like Riley Mawson
Speaker 3: is dealing with an injury as well, in that number
Speaker 3: two in Denver might be in question because I feel
Speaker 3: like he was on the report this week.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think he's necessarily expected to play in
Speaker 1: this game. They're pretty healthy up front in terms of
Speaker 1: their their pass rush, and so that's a matchup. I
Speaker 1: like that the Broncos have really surprised us and they're
Speaker 1: gonna be I don't know about a main character, but
Speaker 1: a really big part of this closing stretch. You got
Speaker 1: him in primetime in this game. You got him against
Speaker 1: the Chargers in a couple of weeks. Uh. That was
Speaker 1: the game that was moved to Thursday night Football? Am
Speaker 1: I right? Or was at the They also have a
Speaker 1: at Bengals and a Chiefs in there. So Broncos fans
Speaker 1: kind of been looking for credit. I see them, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're a noisy fan base on Blue Sky and
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and all I have to say is like,
Speaker 1: here you go. This is great. I think it's actually cool.
Speaker 1: They're a surprising character of this season and they're gonna
Speaker 1: be in the mix and a lot of these big
Speaker 1: games down the stretcher. We'll see. This is the first
Speaker 1: test of a game you should win in primetime, So
Speaker 1: go ahead and go ahead and win it. They should win.
Speaker 1: The five and a half is big.
Speaker 2: But fans Joseph and this defense too, has been really
Speaker 2: really consistent this season.
Speaker 1: Shout out to our friend Andrews Sicilli. I know twice
Speaker 1: he's getting mentioned in this show. He's got this great
Speaker 1: Browns podcast slash Right YouTube show, and he got a
Speaker 1: great clip from Jameis Winston saying saying Nick Chubb said,
Speaker 1: I love you, man, And it's like, if you can
Speaker 1: get Nick Chubb to say that, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of love in this building for this man,
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston. Let's go. Jameis Winston certainly making himself a
Speaker 1: main character down the stretch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the the quintessential vibes quarterback where the vibes were
Speaker 3: decidedly not good in Cleveland A few weeks boring up
Speaker 3: a dub. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are six point favorite
Speaker 3: script at the Carolina Panthers, who just took the Chiefs
Speaker 3: all the way to the wire. Forty six and a
Speaker 3: half points is the over under Chris Meyers, Mark schli
Speaker 3: and Jen Hale on the call. We saw Bryce very
Speaker 3: very good in pressure Jatavian Sanders back at practice, looked
Speaker 3: healthy after a scary moment kind of landed on his
Speaker 3: head towards the end of the first half. But they
Speaker 3: were going up against a buzz saw Bucks team that
Speaker 3: you think is making a push to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I do, and this is a great game to see
Speaker 1: Bryce whether he can continue that run. I like the
Speaker 1: Bucks to win, and they might even cover because their
Speaker 1: offense is just that good against one of the worst
Speaker 1: defenses in the league. But the story here is Bryce.
Speaker 1: Last week we talked about can you be consistent stacking
Speaker 1: these weeks after weeks, Well, that wasn't consistent. This was
Speaker 1: a whole nother level up. This was a different Bryce
Speaker 1: Young than we've ever seen at the NFL level. That
Speaker 1: throw that he had to Sanders down the sideline, that's
Speaker 1: just crazy. Third and eight. He had to to more
Speaker 1: as he was getting trashed. I mean, he was outstanding.
Speaker 1: Last week. Nick Wesseling texted me he went back and
Speaker 1: watched Nick Westling out here grinding the tape, and it
Speaker 1: was pretty cool that he did that because I had
Speaker 1: already thought Bryce would be the type of quarterback Chris
Speaker 1: Westling would love. I knew his type. He loved guys
Speaker 1: who could throw with anticipation and be accurate. And Bryce's
Speaker 1: accuracy and his anticipation and his timing in that game,
Speaker 1: and as it's gotten better each and every week has
Speaker 1: been fantastic. So the Westlings are on board, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to watching if Bryce can keep this thing going.
Speaker 1: Because that was that was like hey, hey, now, like
Speaker 1: all right, like we're right on track. If we see
Speaker 1: the rest of the season he's playing like that, That's
Speaker 1: what you want to see out of your second year quarterback.
Speaker 1: That was special.
Speaker 2: I love this game plus six again for Tampa too
Speaker 2: much for me. Bryce's talking to Vance Joseph after they
Speaker 2: played the I think was Bryce's first game back. He
Speaker 2: was like that kid made every throw he's supposed to make,
Speaker 2: in every right decision he's supposed to make. And we've
Speaker 2: seen him build on that right, so therefore everyone else
Speaker 2: now has faith they're playing better football defensively, that's the
Speaker 2: issue on that side of the ball. Can Baker and
Speaker 2: those guys get off the explosive plays and and you
Speaker 2: know that's that's parting the passing game that they're able
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: By the way, there do they even need to though?
Speaker 1: They're actually one of the teams where teams this is
Speaker 1: how the Giants played them. A lot of teams play
Speaker 1: these days are just like, can you work down the
Speaker 1: field when twelve plays thirteam plays without making a mistake,
Speaker 1: and the Bucks are always like, yeah we can, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all pett We'll do it every time. They're awesome and
Speaker 1: a lot of that.
Speaker 3: Well, the Panthers defense has improved because this is one
Speaker 3: of statistically one of the worst rushing defenses we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Now they're the second worst in the league this year
Speaker 3: forty six point seven percent success rate on runs twenty
Speaker 3: six explosive runs. The defense, especially in the secondary, it
Speaker 3: was a laughable performance tackling against the Chiefs, even against
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes late where now the issue is Bucky Irving,
Speaker 3: who sometimes is untackleable that dude and I'm imagining this
Speaker 3: Panthers secondary where jac Horn has been solid in some
Speaker 3: sorts of pass covers. In the run game, it has
Speaker 3: really been hopeless in the secondary for Carolina, where I'm comfortable.
Speaker 1: With the points. I kind of am too, because they're
Speaker 1: a good team with the lead. I think they're built
Speaker 1: to win. Now they just they keep piling it on.
Speaker 1: There's no mercy Baker Mayfield in this offense. They're good
Speaker 1: at these long drive they can shorten games, and their
Speaker 1: running game has really improved a ton. They're good throwing
Speaker 1: to their running back. So I think Bryce could play well.
Speaker 1: But it could be thirty five, twenty four, twenty seven
Speaker 1: and it happens. Now. This is not a revenge game,
Speaker 1: but I did want to point this out. I don't
Speaker 1: Maybe you guys can help me ook your words Smiths
Speaker 1: of what type of game this is. Liam Cohen replaced
Speaker 1: Dave Canalis, who moved on for a better position. But
Speaker 1: I'm sure when you're replacing someone who's kind of a
Speaker 1: hot shot coordinator, you want to do even better than
Speaker 1: that guy, and frankly, I think he has. He's done
Speaker 1: an even better job than Baker with Baker Mayfield than
Speaker 1: Liam than canalsis then, So I don't know what type
Speaker 1: of game that is, but it's something I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: They have the same agency, they have the same represent Okay.
Speaker 2: So that's like the big smile game.
Speaker 1: Okay. So if Liam Coen gets there, gets this one,
Speaker 1: he might be he's gonna be interviewed for some head coach. Okay,
Speaker 1: the big paycheck type of game. Okay. Yeah, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm even better than this guy who got a head.
Speaker 2: Coaching Jack, even though his defense the canalass defenses. So
Speaker 2: you know this is one where he Liam better go
Speaker 2: ahead and show out.
Speaker 3: Okay, the rising tide lifting all both there you go,
Speaker 3: There you go game. Bringing us to our final doc
Speaker 3: of the evening on Sunday Night Football, Steve the San
Speaker 3: Francisco forty nine ers, dealing with a ton of injuries,
Speaker 3: one more marquee than others, going up against the red
Speaker 3: hot Buffalo Bills, who had a chance to work rests.
Speaker 3: They are seven point favorites at home the over under
Speaker 3: forty four and a half and Sunday Night Football. So Mike,
Speaker 3: Chris and Melissa there on the call. Is there any
Speaker 3: whole in Santa Clair.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is look, even the defense we're so
Speaker 2: used to, they mean they'd get hit too much. And
Speaker 2: we know Buffalo with Josh running the way they're running,
Speaker 2: they they're just they don't tackle well, gosh, they get
Speaker 2: they missed so many tackles once it gets beyond the
Speaker 2: first level. That's something we just don't see out of
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. It's gonna be cold, you know.
Speaker 2: We still brock Purty is still a question mark. I
Speaker 2: believe if he's gonna be able to play. I just
Speaker 2: think this is a Bills in a landslide game.
Speaker 1: This is now.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen tried to compete for Lamar in Saquan for
Speaker 2: the three quarters of the season lead for the MVP.
Speaker 1: The injuries are so massive to even talk about this game.
Speaker 1: If you have Purdy and Trent Williams out there, I'm
Speaker 1: not even talking about Bosa, although he would be a
Speaker 1: big deal to you got a chance, you got a
Speaker 1: chance to compete in any game offensively, and they can
Speaker 1: be tougher. Now in the end, I think the Bills
Speaker 1: would outlast them because the Bills can't be pushed around
Speaker 1: as well as as they used to be. They're playing
Speaker 1: pretty well up front, certainly tough on offense, and they're
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be healthier too. They're coming off a
Speaker 1: buy and Cooper finally had a week to rest and
Speaker 1: maybe they get Kean Coleman back. And it's tricky. We're
Speaker 1: taping this Wednesday to get it out for you before
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving holiday and everything, and we don't know if
Speaker 1: Purdy is gonna play or not. If they don't have Purdy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a I don't you couldn't make this number high enough.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it would go from six and a half
Speaker 1: to they're probably trying to balance out of like maybe
Speaker 1: he's playing. He did throw some on Monday, which is
Speaker 1: a good sign, but he did that a little last
Speaker 1: week too, So we just don't know.
Speaker 2: Here's something baffling to me. Have you guys been watching
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel. He is not playing well. He had a
Speaker 2: couple drops, I mean things that were sure handed last week.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't seem like he's that guy in terms
Speaker 2: of early in the season.
Speaker 1: He's playing okay, but he is not.
Speaker 2: He's really got to relock back in because the mistakes
Speaker 2: he's making seem more in his head than the physical
Speaker 2: mistakes just dropping the balls. He just does it seem
Speaker 2: like right now, like the gangster type of dude that
Speaker 2: we've seen the past couple of years.
Speaker 3: And even when Debo did make the play last week,
Speaker 3: they gets called back for penalty. Christian McCaffrey's best run
Speaker 3: last week. He winds up getting the ball punched out
Speaker 3: right and the Packers recover and and over on the
Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball. They they haven't gotten the
Speaker 3: stops we expect them to get, kind of carried at
Speaker 3: the start of the season by one of the best
Speaker 3: players in the NFL and Fred Warner where that damn
Speaker 3: has felt like it started to burst and it's caused
Speaker 3: me to use hansit and look back, it's like, well
Speaker 3: they're playing with al Dre Greenlaw in the Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl that they almost win that game.
Speaker 3: They have to finish the season without Talao Hufunga, who
Speaker 3: also hasn't played this season.
Speaker 1: After missing most of the last season since since Week.
Speaker 3: Five, where maybe things weren't so bad with Steve Wilkes,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe that was the best that this forty nine
Speaker 3: Ers defense.
Speaker 1: It's also a different team at one point last year
Speaker 1: that showed the four defensive line starters against the pack.
Speaker 1: We're not there last year. So they're guys they signed
Speaker 1: like Malik Collins and Leonard Floyd, who are solid players
Speaker 1: if you're adding them to the mix to be your
Speaker 1: fifth sixth lineman. But now they're your lead guys with
Speaker 1: He's legit, but he was more legit when he wasn't
Speaker 1: thirty three years years old. He's a role player and
Speaker 1: there needed him to be like their top edge rusher
Speaker 1: when boss out. And that's yeah, that's too much. It's tough,
Speaker 1: this Bills team. It's a wagon, little little dangerous. But
Speaker 1: I like your your squad Eric behind the glass year
Speaker 1: and uh, I like the matchup. The San Francisco offensive
Speaker 1: line not playing well really at all either out, especially
Speaker 1: when Williams isn't there and the Bills can get after it.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that's gonna be a good sunny
Speaker 1: night game. It's just some years, it's not your year.
Speaker 2: Well, we got so much on the plate beforehand. These
Speaker 2: are just like the little crumbs left after that.
Speaker 1: Things.
Speaker 3: It would just it would take the Bills. It feels
Speaker 3: like it would take the Bills making a ton of mistakes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just a ton of mistakes. And I don't I don't
Speaker 3: see them do that the way they're playing right now
Speaker 3: that they're the safety Bills.
Speaker 1: This is safe.
Speaker 2: Josh gosh, we're talking about this game of Bill's Niners
Speaker 2: game like it's just.
Speaker 1: We'll see, maybe they'll maybe they'll provost wrong. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. You guys always prove me right each and
Speaker 1: every week, and those seats making it the best previews
Speaker 1: show in the business. That is it for our week
Speaker 1: thirteen preview? What week are we in? Thirteen? We're here.
Speaker 1: I love it, one of us. I love it. Thank
Speaker 1: you for watching NFL daily. We'll be back to recap
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving games, and like I said, the Picks show
Speaker 1: is coming up later in the week. But I hope
Speaker 1: you guys have a great Thanksgiving. I will in the meantime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about this forty nine Ers team being
Speaker 1: done by week thirteen, you know football is back.