1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Annie and this is Bridget, and you're 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: listening to stuff I've never told you. Today, we have 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: an update to one of the episodes that you and 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: Emily did brigid um about where are the pockets? Um, 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: ladies clothes? And this is a question that is near 6 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: and dear to my heart. And um, I have a recent, 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: a recent encounter with this very question. Yeah, because a 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, I was invited to one of 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: my best friends graduations and it was a bag free event. 10 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: You could not have a bag, and um, it was 11 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: outdoors in Atlanta, hot, muggy Atlanta heat for about three hours. Um, 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: no shade. So I needed something lightweight to wear, uh, 13 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: and something with pockets because I couldn't have a bag. Um. 14 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: I demolished my closet looking for something that fits this 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: bill anything. I was trying to get really creative with it. 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I can roll up these pants all 17 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: the way like anything, anything with functional pockets, because of 18 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: course I have a ton of clothes that have non 19 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: working pockets, but I had I didn't have any I 20 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: didn't have any options, so I went on Amazon typed 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: in dress with pockets and had to expedite it, get 22 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: get like delivery the next day, because I had no options. 23 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: That is a real pocket dilemma, the pocket emergency. It was. 24 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: I was furious. I was like doing the over the 25 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: top thing you see in movies. Yeah, closed, plinging clothes 26 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: over my shoulder, yes, like cursing loudly. Um. Yeah, it's 27 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: just I want pockets. We deserve pockets. We don't just 28 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: want that, we deserve that. We do. And one of 29 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: our listeners, Jennifer, sent us an article called what do 30 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: women want Pockets? From the week earlier in June, looking 31 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: into a study researchers published attempting to answer the question 32 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: that is related, why do people carry their phones in 33 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: their hands while walking? M Well, the author of that article, 34 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: jenn Dall, was like, the because middle pockets, right? Um? 35 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: She yeah, she thought to herself. Obviously I'm gonna hold 36 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: my phone because I don't have pockets, and the purse 37 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: is an untamed jungle. Who knows how deep the phone 38 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: will go if you need it? Who knows if you'll 39 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: be able to find it again in a timely manner, 40 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: if at all? Um? But eventually, Jendall, she gave in 41 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: and read the study wanting to know what in the 42 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: world they could have found, and the researchers called this 43 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: quote previously unobserved phenomenon phone walking, which they loosely defined 44 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: is holding a phone for significant amounts of time without 45 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: using it. One of the things they found, no surprise 46 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: of Doll, was that men and women engage in this 47 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: behavior at different rights. That's right. Of the over three 48 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: thousand adults researchers observed, about two of them were phone walkers. 49 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: But if you delve into the differences between the sexes, 50 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: twenty percent of men were phone walkers compared to thirty 51 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: percent of women, And the researchers had a lot of 52 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: theories for why this could be. Women might be more 53 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: dependent on their phones. Are they've got boyfriends who expect 54 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: a speedy text response. Um, this was seriously a reason. 55 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: These were all real reasons, um, or to lower the 56 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: risk of their phone being stolen, or even that it 57 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: is an indicator of relationship status. The phone walker may 58 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: as well be wearing a wedding ring. Yeah, this was 59 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: the reason they gave um. And this is why, in 60 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: their opinion, couples aren't as often phone walkers. They don't 61 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: have to display their relationship status by being on the 62 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: phone because they're with the person. It couldn't be that 63 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: it's rude to be on the phone when you're with someone. 64 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: That's ridiculing any don't be ridiculous. That's yeah, that's I 65 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm even thinking. But they missed the 66 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 1: obvious answer. In Doll's opinion and our opinion, I would say, Um, 67 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: here's what she posted on Twitter and response quote researchers 68 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: missed the point that women's clothing often doesn't have pockets 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: and it's hard to find a phone in a bag. 70 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: This is an all caps Yeah, of course it is 71 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: because it's infuriating, right, um, and Twitter in response was like, yes, 72 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: women's clothes kneed pockets. Give us pockets, actual functioning man 73 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: sized pockets. We deserve, we do. I need to be 74 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: able to go to a graduation without aving to special 75 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: order address with pockets. That was like, my only just pockets, 76 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: just pockets. But you found the dress I did. I'm 77 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: glad it's got pineapples on it. But you shouldn't have 78 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: to have that big of a dilemma justified address with 79 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: frequent pockets. Nope. Uh. Doll in the article with this 80 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: observation quote. Our phones have become a metaphor for the 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: weight we carry as women in the society, a society 82 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: in which we're saddled with a range of expectations, for example, motherhood, 83 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: and yet not given the proper facilities or support in 84 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: which to carry them out, for example, proper affordable health care. 85 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: Isn't it about time we were given some bigger pockets? 86 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, hell yeah. So um. We hope that you 87 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: enjoy this revisit of a past, a past favorite of ours. 88 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: Where are women's pockets now? Today? I have a little 89 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: bit of a personal gripe that this episode is based on, 90 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: which is that I bought what I thought was a beautiful, 91 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: beautiful skirt. I couldn't wait to try it on. It 92 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: was pretty expensive, more money than I usually drop on 93 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,559 Speaker 1: an outfit I get at home. And it has those 94 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: damn decorative pockets that aren't even really real pockets. Were 95 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: they like the ones that are so shut they were 96 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: just like not even give you a little dip and 97 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: it's not you can't put anything in there. So they're 98 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,559 Speaker 1: just for fashion. They're just decorative decorative pockets. Decorative pockets, 99 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: because God forbid, I have anything to carry a phone 100 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: on a pencil or whatever, and I got me thinking, 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: where the are the pockets on women's clothing? What is 102 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: going on? Where did they go? Where did they go? 103 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: And on the other side, I'm the kind of person 104 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: who if I'm in the fitting room trying on a dress, 105 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: especially formal dresses. I found this in more formal gowns especially, 106 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: and I'm on the fence about it looks good fit's, 107 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: good fabrics. Cool, Okay, I kind of like it, and 108 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: then I realized as my hands go down the sort 109 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: of waste of the gown itself, Oh my god, there 110 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: are pockets in this dress. Instantly sold. Pockets are such 111 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: a game changer. It's a total apparel game changer decision making, 112 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: like absolutely going from the maybe category to the hell yeah, 113 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm bringing that home category. I don't feel like we're 114 00:06:54,800 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: exaggerating the extreme pleasure that pockets on guard. It's real pockets, 115 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: functional pockets give us. We're backpack love and women. Yeah, 116 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we're without a good satchel 117 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: on occasion. I'm not really a purse totor as much anymore. 118 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: Since I discovered the love of a good formal backpack 119 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: which you as a little plug for if you are 120 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: a sporty gal, get yourself a polished backpack, a work backpack, 121 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: and love. So, first of all, I get it. Yes, 122 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: this is totally totally a first world problem. You might 123 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: be thinking, you know, bridget of all the things going 124 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: on in the world right now, pockets really, but listen 125 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: to this. Fashion is actually political, right, like most things 126 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: in this day and age. It's not just fashion. It's 127 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: not just a skirt, it's not just a pocket. It's 128 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: actually political and like many things, it does raise I 129 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: think some interesting points about gender. Absolutely, and if you 130 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: look at the consumer data, if you really think about 131 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: the economics of fashion and apparel, women are the ones 132 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: making those decisions in the fitting rooms more than men. 133 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, women are the biggest spenders when it comes 134 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: to fashion. Women of every age group consistently outspend their 135 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: male counterparts on apparel. According to the Sage Business Researcher. 136 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: Back in two, the average annual expenditures when it comes 137 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: to how much you're spending money on clothing peaked for 138 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: both groups in the thirty five to forty four age range. 139 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: Oh so I have more spending ahead, don't you women 140 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: have a VEG shop any more, be shopping with the 141 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: women spending fifte so one thousand, five hundred eighty one 142 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: dollars a year and men spending nine d sixty one. 143 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: Those are kind of big numbers. Are kind of big numbers. 144 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: So women, women be shopping. We were the biggest consumers 145 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to fashion. We spend the most money. 146 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's so frustrating that these 147 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: retailers are still not giving us products that fit for 148 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: our lives and are functional for our bodies. I think 149 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: you see that in a whole different way when it 150 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: comes to plus size women in the clothing options that 151 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: are available to them. But even something as small as pockets, 152 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: I think really demonstrates how this industry that is dominated 153 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: by women consumers and should be giving us things that 154 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: fit our lives and our needs, it's just really failing. Well, 155 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: it's it's that fashion over function form, right, It's this 156 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: decision someone is making that I think it's important for 157 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: us that our clothes are fashionable. I think consumers care 158 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: about fashion, but somebody is saying fashion is more important 159 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: than function. Well, actually, Emily, a lot of experts out 160 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: there would agree with you. One reason why people say 161 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: that there are so few pockets of women's clothing is 162 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: because mid range fashion that stuff like you and I 163 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: are probably wearing a lot of you know, your gaps 164 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: and your j cruse, those are actually dominated by male designers, 165 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: and male designers are much more concerned with things like 166 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: fit and drape than functionality. Over at the Atlantic, they 167 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: interviewed Camilla Olsen, who is a creative director of a 168 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: high tech fashion firm, and she says that there's inherent 169 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: sexism within the industry that keeps things like pockets and 170 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: other functional garments being standard in women's clothes. She goes 171 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: on to say, Honestly, I believe the fashion industry is 172 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: not helping women advance, and the lack of functional design 173 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: for women is one example. We women know that clearly 174 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: we need pockets to carry technology, and I think it's 175 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: expected that we were going to carry a purse when 176 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: we're working. We don't carry persons around a pocket. It's 177 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: a reasonable thing, and so I think it's interesting how 178 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: she makes this point that because of the heavy male 179 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: dominated fashion industry, women aren't getting clothing that it's actually 180 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: functional for us to live our lives. That's so sad. 181 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: It seems like such a missed opportunity. And yet again, 182 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: if you look at every industry, once you get to 183 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: the top ranks, like the director ranks of pretty much 184 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: every industry, you start to see women become fewer and 185 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: farther between. And even though there are some notable exceptions, 186 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: I think Jenna Lyons was a really noteworthy creative director 187 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: who put Jaku on the map quite frankly in the odds, right, Um, 188 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,359 Speaker 1: it's so true that even in the female dominated spaces 189 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: like retail, when you look at the creative directors who 190 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: are wielding the most power, making the biggest decisions that 191 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: influence the direction of design, they're still predominantly male. Yeah. 192 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: What a mismatch between the audience that you're trying to 193 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: serve and the decision makers. Because how can an industry 194 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: that purports to serve women have so few women at 195 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: the at the highest highest levels and get it so 196 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: wrong when it comes to giving us things that we 197 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: actually can use. I don't know, but it's I think 198 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: it's yet another case for wide diversity and leadership is 199 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: actually good for business. Definitely, do you wear a lot 200 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: of J crew I don't own a single piece of Jakes. 201 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: Here's my beef with J Crew. I used to love 202 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: J Crew when it was cool, functional things that fit. 203 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: Now I feel like I go in there and everything 204 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: is like embellished. I'm like, how do I wash this? 205 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: It will be like a shirt that has bedazzled stuff 206 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: on it, and I'm like, how do I watch this? 207 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: If my first thought whenever I pick up something from 208 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: Anthropology or Jay Crew these days. Yeah, and you were 209 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: not missing anything other than having clothes that are dirty 210 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: forever in your closet because you can't wash them. I 211 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: seem to recall a Fabrieze conversation we've out on there. 212 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: There was a conversation and I'm sure that was a 213 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: J Crew garment. So let's get this straight. Bridget doesn't 214 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: wash her hoodies. She for breezes her hoodies, and Ergenes 215 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: doesn't wash her jeans, and now all of your other 216 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: garments from an Anthropology and banker, I'm not doing any laundry. 217 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: But you're like, I'm piecing together, You're just not watching anything. 218 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: I approved that message, girl. I know you know what 219 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: I think I just thought of as we were planning 220 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: for this episode. It didn't come up. But I'm going 221 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: to sound like a walking talking ad for one of 222 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: our sponsores right now. But how is the rental clothing 223 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: industry changing this? Because I mean I looked at that number, 224 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: fift dollars expenditure a year, and I'm like, get on 225 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: that Littote bandwagon, right like clear the Litote sponsors our podcast, 226 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: and I'm also where she gets that jacket. I've always 227 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: tend to toe and Littote right now, But between rent 228 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: the Runway and Litote and subscription rental services like that, 229 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: do you never have to do launch you again? Well 230 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: not even that I don't, Yes, because you can send 231 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: your clothes back dirty, which is part of the perk. 232 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: And furthermore, I don't spend. I don't buy clothes anymore. 233 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: I just rent. I love it. Yeah, it's like Netflix 234 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: for clothes. Yes, I like it anyway. So that's why 235 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: I haven't stepped foot in an anthropology in a decade. 236 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: At a certain point, I wonder if it's sort of 237 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: we're going culturally, we're going less towards owning and more 238 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: toward renting things like you know, why have a car 239 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: where you can use lift? Why? You know it's it 240 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: seems like that like we're heading towards that as a 241 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: culture in some weird ways. Sharing economy for sure, and 242 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's a net positive for the environmental 243 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: impact of clothing. Do you think people throw out tons 244 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: of clothes all the time because this is like up cycling. 245 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, actually, Emily, the average American tosses out 246 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: eighty two pounds of textile waste each year, which adds 247 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: up to eleven million tons from just our country, just 248 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: from America. That's a lot of clothing being thrown out. Wow. 249 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: So I just I think the sharing economy can sort 250 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: of be part and farcel with this minimalist movement, and 251 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: I wonder how that will impact the way that designers 252 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: are making clothing design decisions. I hope we'll see more pockets. 253 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I can have a small influence by just renting 254 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: things with pockets, Like, it's very cool. You're doing your part. 255 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: You're doing your part for pocket equality. I know. I 256 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: wish I could show you all the jacket I'm wearing 257 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: right now, got some deep pockets. It's got deep pockets, 258 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: and it's super chic and functional and by the way, 259 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: it's reversible. Yeah, Okay. If I'm a walking ad, I'm like, 260 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: come on, sponsors, give us more. Oh my god. You 261 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: know what look like right now that you ever watched 262 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: The Fresh Prince how he turns his jacket inside out, 263 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: his uniform jacket, That's exactly what's happening right now. It's 264 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: got like a leather shoulder decals and now on the 265 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: inside feels like this nice little like pad, like shoulder pad. 266 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: It's cute. Right, this is now a jacket centric podcast. Sorry, 267 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: they're like, what are you talking about? We can't see. 268 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: We'll post. Okay, good, I'm ready. So it's interesting that 269 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: you say that this minimalist sort of sharing economy cultural 270 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: thing might be influencing our fashion. Another thing that has 271 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: really been influential on whether or not garments of pockets 272 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: is technology. So back when the ipe when six came out, 273 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: you might remember, it's pretty pretty large, and most men's 274 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: garments actually had pockets where you could put your iPhone in, 275 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: but women's garments really didn't. And so when the iPhone 276 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: came out, the new big one, a lot of people 277 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, like, I can't put this in my pocket. 278 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: What am I gonna do? I'm gonna have to carry 279 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: it in my hand or put it in my bag 280 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: or whatever. And actually Mashable talked to five different fashion 281 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: brands Levi's, l L, Bean, J Crew, American Eagle, and 282 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: Lee to ask them if this new iPhone was going 283 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: to have them adding bigger pockets to their women's garments. 284 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: Most of them gave some kind of variation of maybe, 285 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: we'll see, but for the most part the answer was 286 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: a no. I wonder if they did, though, because I 287 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: am a Gap Gene loyalist, because once I found a 288 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: pair of jeans that actually fit my body, I was like, Okay, 289 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm done shopping around because this is hard. But I've 290 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: split a few pairs of pockets like jeans in my 291 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: time because I do have the Giant, Yeah, I have 292 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: the Giant plus the six plus and the back. The 293 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: front pocket is a non starter, right, it's not going 294 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: in there. Not going in there. But I had a 295 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: whole appear because I was shoving my Giant phone in 296 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: my butt pocket and it definitely was not fitting. But 297 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: I like forced it. Oh, don't force it, touche. I 298 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: have since found that the Genes as of late, the 299 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: ones I've bought in the last maybe three or four 300 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: years have worked fine. I really do feel like putting 301 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: an iPhone in your back pocket as a recipe for 302 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: it falling into the toilet in a public race. So 303 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm very skeptical about putting anything back there. Your 304 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: case is gigantic. Yeah, I actually have the smaller version 305 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: of the iPhone, but my huge, ostentatious phone case makes 306 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: it impossible to put in any kind of pocket whatsoever. Now, 307 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: it's not happening, not happening, But what would you say 308 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: is in your pockets on average, like the functional garments 309 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: with pockets, Like what might you find in a bridget 310 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: Todd pocket. Well, I've actually kind of trained myself to 311 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: not carry a lot of stuff if I don't have 312 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: my backpack on me, so usually like I'll do debit card, 313 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: I D chapstick keys, Like I'm a headphone so I'm 314 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: down to the five staples I've travel like and headphones 315 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: like the the earbuds can fit into the front pocket. Yeah, 316 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: that's good. I'm a chapstick person too. One of the 317 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: things I think is kind of interesting is how the 318 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: ability of men to be able to carry things like 319 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: cell phones and women not really having that option for 320 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: their pockets might play out in the workplace. The article 321 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: that it's referenced from the Atlantic makes this point pretty sustinctly. 322 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: They say a man can simply swipe up his keys 323 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: and an iPhone on the way to a rendezvous with 324 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: his coworkers and slip them back into his pocket. A 325 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: woman on the way to that same meeting has to 326 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: either carry those items in her hand or bring a 327 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: whole purse with her, a definitive, silent sign that she 328 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: is a woman. So what you're basically saying is that 329 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: there's this added visual acknowledgement of gender differences, which we 330 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: actually know if you look at the research on uh, 331 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: there's some interesting research that's been done on perfumes. Perfumes 332 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: that are especially feminine sort of just provide a little 333 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: sensory reminder of your womanhood can backfire in interviews. Interesting, 334 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: So even though it seems really small, like tiny detail, 335 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: it can still sort of come up and weighs that 336 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: you maybe you don't expect. Well, it sort of gives 337 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: you this impression, oh, she's a girly girl, or the 338 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: purse can be like what kind of purse is it? Is? 339 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: She a kind of woman who has a nice purse 340 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: that she takes care of, or like me, trashes every 341 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: purse she's ever owned because I can't seem to keep 342 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: any of my belongings in nice shape. And what does 343 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: that say about her? It's just another way for people 344 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: to judge you. Interesting. This is kind of a random anecdote, 345 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: but I have a friend who is a military wife, 346 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: and one of the things that she says of all 347 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: the sort of hurtful, ridiculous stereotypes about military wives, one 348 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: of them that I found the most curious was if 349 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: she owns a coach bag, that means like that the 350 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: stereotypes is that means something about what kind of military 351 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: spouse that she is, which I found very unusual, like 352 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: such a specific thing. Oh, because it plays into the 353 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: fact that like military wives are just leeches benefits of 354 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: like the governments exactly. So they say, like, if a 355 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: woman has a coach bag and she's trying to you know, 356 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: she's a military spouse, that means that she's yadd some 357 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: some negative stereotype there. So it's interesting how these markers 358 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: of femininity, even though they seem quite small or quite 359 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, like they're not big deals. Actually people can 360 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: use them to make unfair assumptions about what kind of 361 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: person you are exactly. Yeah, that's a good point. And 362 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: I also, on the flip side, have bonded with many 363 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: a strong, powerful, influential woman over purses. Yeah, you know 364 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like in our own company here, I 365 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: was gonna say, is someone you're thinking of, Well, there's 366 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: a certain someone in the higher highest ranks of leadership 367 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: and how stuff works, who is a boss lady? All 368 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: shout out to the fact that we've got women running things, 369 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: running things that how stuff works, one of whom is 370 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: like intimidating, lee, powerful and awesome. And I met her 371 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: in a very formal boardroom like setting when I was 372 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: just interviewing for this particular job and I'm trying my 373 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: best to be impressive, in articulate and also humble and 374 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: courteous and respectful all the same time. And uh, you know, 375 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: it was a pretty formal exchange until we met up 376 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: again later in a less formal setting at the bar, 377 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: and my ostentatious turquoise purse became the thing we bonded over. 378 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: And now I'm like, oh, I'm in we got this. 379 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: We got this relationship on lack and look at where 380 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: we are now. Yeah, it seems like I worked out well. 381 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: It didn't work out well. So it's just an interesting 382 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: thing how in a male dominated space, your purse might 383 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: be something that holds you back. But when you're when 384 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: we have more women in leadership, maybe purses can. Like 385 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: you and I've bonded over backpacks, Maybe purses can actually 386 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: be a way to bond with one another. Well, it's 387 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: interesting that you bring up purses because the history of 388 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: the handbag actually has a lot to do with why 389 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: the pockets on women's garments tend to be so sucky. 390 00:20:50,200 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: And let's dive into that after this quick break and back. Now. 391 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: I know that I've been complaining about pockets today, and 392 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: maybe you've been complaining about the pockets on your garment, 393 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: but women have actually been complaining about the lack of 394 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: pockets on their clothing for quine of a long time. 395 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: Back in nine o five, Charlotte pet Gilman wrote, one 396 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: supremacy there is in men's clothing is adaptations of pockets. 397 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: Showed this in The New York Times. She continues to say, 398 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: women have from time to time carried bags, sometimes sewn in, 399 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: sometimes tied on, sometimes brandished in the hand. But a 400 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: bag is not a pocket, and she's rights. In nineteen 401 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: fifty four, Christian Duor was quoted in the Spectator of 402 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: saying men have pockets to keep things in women for decoration, 403 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: because God forbid, I have an important thing to keep 404 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: on my person. Well, it's just like it kind of 405 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: reminds me of the biking episode, in which it is 406 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: a very systematic discrepancy between it being socially acceptable for 407 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: you to actually have the freedom that comes with riding 408 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: a bike versus women who ride bikes like, oh, they 409 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: could be up to anything. Well, you actually see a 410 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: lot of that same idea playing out when it comes 411 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: to the history of pockets and women. Totally. Back in 412 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: the medieval era, most women had little bags or sort 413 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: of satchels or purses tied around the waist. That eventually 414 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: folks began sort of hiding their bags under petticoats, which 415 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: was a discreet way to say I have things, Right, 416 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm a woman who owns stuff, and might you know, 417 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: have whatever I damn well please in my pockets. But 418 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't ever brandish those pockets basically in public, visible 419 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: to all. That would make me a radical woman. And 420 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: in the late seventeenth century, even when pockets became much 421 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: more commonplace and sewed into men's clothing, women did not 422 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: have built in pockets because that would have been taboo. 423 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: So they continued to have these sort of tied on 424 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: versions until the French Revolution really changed the game when 425 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: wide skirts were out out with let them eat cake 426 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: style of the French Revolution, and what became much more 427 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: in vogue were skirts closer to the body, sort of 428 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: less flamboyant really, so there was less room for pockets, 429 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: so that whole pocket conversation became null and void for 430 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: women who continued to carry the reticule, a small decorative 431 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: purse instead of God forbid they should go out in 432 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: public with pockets, because they would be outing themselves as 433 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: a woman with things, maybe having things of her own. 434 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: God heaven forbid you have to carry things and be 435 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: a woman. But I love is that. In the eighteen hundreds, 436 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: the Irrational Dress Society began pushing for women to abandon 437 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: the stiffness. Of course, it's for looser clothes that had 438 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: lots and lots of pockets. Radical radical, can you imagine? 439 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Founded in eighteen nine, the Rational Dress society called for 440 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: women to dress for health, ditching corsets in favor of 441 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: boneless days and bloomers, wearing loose trousers and adopting clothing 442 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: that allowed for movement, especially bicycling. So it is connected, 443 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: it is, it's very much connected. It's very much connected. 444 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: An eight New York Times piece made this really really funny, 445 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: maybe sort of tongue in cheek claim that civilization itself 446 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: it's actually founded on pockets. They right, as we became 447 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: more civilized, we need more pockets. No pocketless people have 448 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: ever been great since pockets were invented. And the female 449 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: sex cannot rival us while it is pocketless. So basically, 450 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: this was like a very overt and clearly insecure male 451 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: person saying, um, you know, let's keep women out of power. 452 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: Let's not allow them to have pockets. I've often, and 453 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: this is not a research point, it's just my own opinion. 454 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: I've all think about that heels with the same way, Right, 455 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: while women are tottering around on heels, we'll keep them well. 456 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: Then used to wear heels all the time during the 457 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: American Revolution, right, So if you think about it, men 458 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: ditched heels. They kicked off the heels and women's heels 459 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: got taller. I almost wonder if the men were like, Hey, 460 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: we're having trouble getting from point A to point B 461 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: on these heels. This is dumb. Let's wear regular shoes 462 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: and then pressure women into wearing heels. Actually, I think 463 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: that's the next episode, right, I think we have to 464 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: do on that our how a tire got gendered, because 465 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: think about it, like, did you know that for button 466 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: up shirts, men's buttons are on one side and women's 467 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: buttons are on the other. Like, there are so many 468 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: weird little particulars about gendered clothing that have these fascinating histories. 469 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, let's do more on that. I love that. 470 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: So just bringing it back to pockets for a second, 471 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: this idea of pockets for women was a total game 472 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: changer for gun toten bike riding women, which I thought 473 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: was amazing. Back in one designer of women's bicycle costumes, 474 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: which were what they were called at the time, the 475 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: things that these daring women who biked might actually wear 476 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: even included pockets for pistols. Quote, not all of them 477 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: want to carry a revolver, said the anonymous tailor, quoted 478 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: by The New York Times at the time, but a 479 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: large percentage do and make no bones about saying so. 480 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Even when they do not tell me why they want 481 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: the pocket, they often betray their purpose by asking to 482 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: have it lined with duck or leather. So basically, this 483 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: tailor is like sewing in ducklined pockets for these women 484 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: on bicycles to carry their hand guns with them. And 485 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: you've got I mean, you've got to hand it to 486 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: these pistol packing bike riding Turn of the century women 487 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: in bloomers and split skirt suits because they're right to vote. 488 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: You know, granted in the Nineteenth Amendment was still twenty 489 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: six years away when these women were practicing their Second 490 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Amendment rights. Well, what I love about this is that 491 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: it almost goes back to our episode about biking and 492 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: that are all sort of connected to this idea of 493 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: freedom where they can have free reigin men don't know 494 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: what they're getting up to where they're going, and it's like, yeah, 495 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm a woman that's got to carry and stuff to 496 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: do when it coulis to be Yeah, and I've got 497 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: pockets and you don't need to get to know what's 498 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: inside of them exactly. It really comes down to being 499 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: a symbol of freedom and mobility. Isn't it funny though, 500 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: that like a pocket was considered so much more suspicious 501 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: than a purse. What the hell? I'm not a gun owner, 502 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: but I would imagine you'd be a lot more likely 503 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: to put a gun in or boot. Yeah boot. Think 504 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: about the West, you know the women of the West. 505 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: They all are packing pistols and stockings. Sounds like our 506 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: next episode. All I can think about right now are 507 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: the women of West World, which we should we should 508 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: unpack that series. I don't see they had a kshop 509 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: on it. I'm obsessed. Okay, I got it. This is 510 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: my next my next show. Okay, do so again. You 511 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: have pockets playing out through all these different parts of 512 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: history when it comes to women. Um, pockets were a big, 513 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: big part of the suffragette movement down if you think 514 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: about those white suffragette suits that are that our sisters 515 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: used to wear a lot of times those head pockets. 516 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: In nineteen ten, the New York Times had a headline 517 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: that said Bundy of pockets in the suffragette suit. And 518 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: it really makes the point that pockets is connected to 519 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: voting or being someone that's interested in voting. The article 520 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: goes on to say it has pockets of plenty, and 521 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: it's exactly what you'd expect for a woman with polls 522 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: on her mind. I love it. And they go on 523 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: to say that it's all within sight and the things 524 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: in her pockets would be easy to find even for 525 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: the wearer. So I do you think it's funny that 526 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: what's radical about that is like someone is daring to 527 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: wear pockets in broad daylight and broad daylight, like what like, 528 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: what are they doing? Right? You don't know, you don't 529 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: know what she's up to. So if you want to 530 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: pack a deep dive into the history of pockets, I 531 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: definitely recommend this really long throw article un Racked. One 532 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: of the points they made about pockets and the Suffragets 533 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: is that there was a kind of anxiety around women 534 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: that had pockets. They write this last bit about visible, 535 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: straightforward pockets hints at all the lingering anxiety over women's clothing, privacy, 536 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: and property. It's not merely that women will strut with 537 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: their hands in their pockets on point to challenge men. 538 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: It's that women's pockets could carry something secret, something private, 539 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: something deadly. Yeah, you never thought about pockets as being 540 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: this mysterious. I mean, we just carry simstick in ours, 541 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: but you don't know what we got in there. You know. 542 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: It makes me feel like I need to get some 543 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: more edgy pocket filler. It. I'm like, maybe my chapstick 544 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: is disappointing a little when when you think about that 545 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: some women were expressly using pockets to carry guns, your 546 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: chapstick seems a little bit wimpy, right, Not that we're saying, 547 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: like a kidding, lock and load in your pockets, get ready, patriarchy, 548 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: we should do an episode women in gun control always smokes, 549 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: that's a good one. So I really like, it's interesting 550 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: how something as small as pockets actually has this really 551 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: dense political and gendered history. But you know, why don't 552 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: we even think about women's clothing versus men's clothing in 553 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: the first place. Let's talk more about that after this 554 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: quick break and we're back talking about men's pockets versus 555 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: women's pockets. But really, what's the big deal with gendered 556 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: clothing anyway? Like, why do we have clothing that's this 557 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: kind of way for men and this kind of way 558 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: for women that doesn't seem to be the way that 559 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: gender plays out, And so it's interesting that that's the 560 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: way that it plays out when it comes to clothing. 561 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen the rebellion on the toy aisle, right, 562 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: We've seen how the Pink Barbie aisle and the Blue 563 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: Boys toys I have become a thing of the past. 564 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: And I love seeing that retailers are starting to question 565 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: whether these strict binary sections for women's versus men's clothing 566 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: really makes sense anymore. And I would I mean, I 567 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: would argue that most of our listeners to identify as 568 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: women shop in the women's department, and the question is like, 569 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: should there be a women's department? Well, that's the thing. 570 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we know gender isn't a binary, so it 571 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: seems like we should stop treating clothes like their binary. 572 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: I actually do wear a lot of men's clothing because 573 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: my style icons are probably James Dean and Pugsley Atoms 574 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: from the Atoms and way sort of they had a 575 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: kid and that kid wore a lot of black. Uh 576 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely am down with a little bit 577 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: of you know, unisex clothing. But I think it's interesting 578 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: how you see big retailers who can really be shaping 579 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: how these industries think about gender and clothing, saying no, 580 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna move away from gendered things and have a 581 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: more unisex vibe. Self Ridges, a high end department store 582 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: in the UK, announced that it was getting rid of 583 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: gendered floors and it would just have three floor a 584 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: fashion merchandise together so that customers could shop according to 585 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: their own self expression. And other high end designers like J. 586 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: W Anderson, Rick Owens and rad Harani have championed gender 587 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: neutral clothing and the approaches filtered down to the high 588 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: street sort of H and M and Zara, which have 589 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: both created non gendered ranges, which I think is really 590 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: interesting because a androgynous style has always been a mainstay 591 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: on the runway, right, I mean, you've even seen it 592 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: more like on the runway these days. You've seen a 593 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: lot of notable examples of people just having you know, 594 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: more androgynous style, which I always thought was really cool, 595 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: really cool. And I really think that the hipster moment 596 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: was a turning point because hipster fashion, as cliche as 597 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: it has become, that sort of Brooklyn beanie wearing hip 598 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: look looks very identical when expressed by someone who identifies 599 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: as a man versus a woman. And there was sort 600 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: of this weird backlash I think when hipster style became 601 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: more mainstream, which was that you've stolen the look of lesbians, 602 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: or that you've stolen this look from like the game movement. 603 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: And I wonder if like the mainstreaming of gender neutral 604 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: dress is a co opting Oh that's fascinating of like 605 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: LGBT style or is that a good thing? Is that 606 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: a bad thing or is it just the thing that's happening. 607 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I will say that when so 608 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: I came of age and like the scene ster hipster time, 609 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: if you remember that time, it was the adds. So 610 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: we were all dressing kind of weird, low slung jeans. 611 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: But I remember when skinny jeans became a thing. My 612 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: then boyfriend was wearing my jeans. We were just like staring. 613 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: We were just like wearing each other's jeans, which I love. Yeah, Brad, 614 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: and I still do that. I actually lent a guy 615 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: a pair of jeans. I don't think I ever got 616 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: those back. Well. I really hope that this pushed towards 617 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: unisex and gender neutral clothing will get us the pocket 618 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: equality we all know we all deserve, yes, because pockets 619 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: are functional as they are fashionable. The idea of adding 620 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: pockets to something for the look without the functionality makes 621 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: me wanna tear my hair out. So I would rather 622 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: see retailers justes chewing pockets altogether than adding a stupid 623 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: decorative pocket just to create frustration and disappointment. In bridget 624 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: Todd specifically, yeah, yeah, save you the trouble. But we 625 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: all know. You know, when you try out a dress 626 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: and it has really good, deep, functional pockets, it is 627 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: the best. I love how Tracy Moore put it over 628 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: at jez Bell And trust me, this is gonna sound 629 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: like an exaggeration, but I don't believe it is, because 630 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: this is how much I appreciate good pockets. Humor me. 631 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: I want you to remember the last time you bought 632 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: a piece of clothing with pockets, real ones, usable ones, 633 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: ones that fit things like the standard night out keys, phone, 634 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: I D lip gloss compact. It's a rare thing. No, 635 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: maybe an a line dress or skirt, something vintage with 636 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: a full bodied lower half, and the moment you discovered 637 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: that not only was the fabric perfect, the fit amazing, 638 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: but there were actual functioning pockets. Let me ask you 639 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: was not the greatest moment of your life. Did it 640 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: not add a skip to your step? Were you not 641 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 1: astonished each time you reach down and slid your hands 642 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: into the outrageously useful fabric compartment? When women complimented you 643 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: on the outfit, did you not reveal to them with 644 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: exclamatory glee that it also possessed something unexpected and lovely? 645 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: And was that thing not pockets? I think that is 646 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: so true because you're on the dance floor and someone's like, 647 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: nice dress, and you're like, no, you don't understand this. 648 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: This thing has pockets. It has pockets. You're like, check 649 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: it out, like you don't even know how great this 650 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: romper is. Girl, let me show you. Okay, pockets, full 651 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: on pockets. It makes you want to empty them out 652 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: and like turn them inside out. I got this many. 653 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: I have had many a drunken night in a lady's 654 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: room at a nightclub where I'm like, oh, you think 655 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: this is a nice dress? Check nipped it out like 656 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: it's like you're it's like the bass drop on. And 657 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: they're always like they always get it women when it 658 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: comes to pockets. Women always it. And then it becomes 659 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: where did you get this we need this in my life. Yes, yeah, 660 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: that's so true. It's bonding over pockets. Well, Smithy listeners, 661 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: I hope that we just bonded our podcasts. I know 662 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: you and I just bonded our pockets, But I want 663 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: to hear from you. What has this experience been like 664 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: in your own time? What do you think about the 665 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: rise of non gender binary clothing being available? Do you 666 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: have any feels when you put on the pants of 667 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: your loved ones and it fits or doesn't fit, or 668 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: what does that experience like for you? Do you wish 669 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: you had more pockets all the time? Have pockets revolutionized 670 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: your life? Tell us You can reach us on Instagram 671 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: and tag us in all those pocket pictures at stuff 672 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: mom Never Told You, tweeted us on Twitter at mom 673 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: Stuff podcast, and send us a good old bass and 674 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 1: email at mom Stuff at how stuff works dot com.