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Speaker 1: Here's a special classic episode this time, folks. It's one

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Speaker 1: because we missed being on the road. Matt a while.

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Speaker 1: A while back, you and me and our palnell Uh

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Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists about the future surveillance out there

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Speaker 1: really cool and oh fun fact here, this is the day,

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Speaker 1: I think, the day before we recorded this episode. This

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Speaker 1: is the day we met Aaron Manki for the first time.

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Speaker 1: And now we make a bunch of shows. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we hope you enjoy this live show. We can't wait

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Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. And I gotta tell you, folks,

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Speaker 1: we were right about the future surveillance. Dude. Now that

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Speaker 1: we've played that video game control, all I think about

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Speaker 1: with this building we're gonna be talking about, all I

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Speaker 1: think about is the oldest house. It's beautiful. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. You'll see what we're talking about very soon.

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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. Everyone. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. They call me Ben. You are you.

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Speaker 1: We were in Brooklyn, which means this is stuff they

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Speaker 1: And you may know that there have been some weather

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Speaker 1: flight cancelation. So we spent about eighteen hours in the

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Speaker 1: airport and we we posted it. We we've explored that

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Speaker 1: It was an experience. It's not ironic. The entire hotel

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Speaker 1: a city that it is in the midst of an

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Speaker 1: emerging conspiracy theory. You may have heard in the news recently.

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Speaker 1: Nimby not in my backyard. So the infrastructure of cities

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Speaker 1: know it. So what this, what this means, what this

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Speaker 1: all all these details mean is that right now as

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Speaker 1: we are hanging out here in the Bell House and

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00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for having us, uh the um, we

426
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: are only thirty five minutes away. We did the math,

427
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: we did the taxi We did the taxi math, only

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00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes away from one of the most prominent

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00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: listening stations in this hemisphere. And the information we received

430
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: about this building, including Snowden leaks, is probably already outdated

431
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: because things move quickly. So we know that a two

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00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen change in the law prevented the n Essay

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00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: from direct directly yeah, collecting bulk telephone information. This does

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00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: not extend to online activity or your Facebook friends, to

435
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: which we don't know exactly what this location can do now. Yeah,

436
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: we do know that it isn't connected to the like

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00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: the civilian Internet, because what happens is there these interception

438
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: nodes all across the country and so you know, um,

439
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: Null here or Matt here, will we'll have a conversation online.

440
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: They're texting each other and spoiling lost or whatever, and

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00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: then that'll get collected at this point, and then it'll

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00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: be duplicated and transferred onto a separate private network and

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00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: it'll be piped to a place like Titan Point and

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00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: then probably stored in Utah and one of the data centers.

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00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: Because that's just helpful to have. It's just you know,

446
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: it's just good to have stuff. I guess in case

447
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: you need it, we got we have it. Yeah. So

448
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: the point is, um this this is known as an

449
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: air gap, which makes this building very very difficult to

450
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: compromise right through some sort of electronic means. However, and

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00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you are on a

452
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: date tonight and you want to get like weird with

453
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: it while you're waiting for the next show, you can

454
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: just right over there and check it out, and you'll

455
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: be like, hey, look at our creepy romance. Let's take

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00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 1: a picture in front of the spilling. Although, per our

457
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: fake building experience, I would not be surprised if you

458
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: were very quickly intercepted by some form of security personnel

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00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: and asked kindly to they'd be wearing an a T

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00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: and T suit. It would look very unassuming, and they

461
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: would ask you if you wanted some service and it

462
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: might taste you. Yeah, we'll just whill, just like snap

463
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: the picture and go. You don't want to hang out

464
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: for spoiler alert you, they probably won't let you in.

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00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: And the question is, you know we're talking about this.

466
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Matt. Does this creep you out? Yes? Yeah,

467
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: if it creeps you out the way it creeps out

468
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: and NOL, perhaps you would be interested in joining the

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00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: upcoming exorcism of the n s A take the creep

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00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: up a notch. Yeah, yeah, we'll creep out. There's an

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00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: exorcism here in New York at thirty three Times Street

472
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: that's happening in April fifteen for some reason. Yeah, oh yeah.

473
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: So this magazine out of the Bronch no Queens, the

474
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: Quiet American, is going to perform a rite of exorcism

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00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: on the building at thirty three Tomas Street, code name

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00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: Titan Point. And this is from their site, but I'm

477
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: gonna quote it verbatim because it's just so good in

478
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: the interests of metaphysically purging the edifice of the data

479
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: it hoards and invoking a less maniacal version of Citizen

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00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: Government Relations. On April twelve pm, a cadre of priests, supplicants,

481
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: and a volunteer choir. Right, you gotta have, you gotta

482
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: will exercise the malevolent energy coursing through the so called

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00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: Longlines Building at thirty three Thomas Street. This sacred day

484
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: falls approximately one day before the Rising of Christ and

485
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: three days before tax Day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also I

486
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: like the idea of right, perfect do it. That's the date,

487
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: that's the date. Don't just don't don't don't half ascid?

488
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: And what are we gonna do after the padfast? Nobody's

489
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: here from the quite American? Right, Well they're quiet Americans, Dude,

490
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: they're not. They're gonna like maybe. So I like the

491
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: idea of a cadre. Can we be a cadre? I

492
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: think you need three? You guys want to be in

493
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: our cadre? Can we have a cadre? Cadre? Yes? Whoa?

494
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: I can't believe that contra filled with power? We just

495
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: cadre up? What are they planning to do? Yes? Yes,

496
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: so here's specifically what they want to do, just real quick,

497
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: so you get an idea before you get there, you know.

498
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: All right, So They're gonna begin with a prayer for

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00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: the building's physical materials and invoke the gods that this

500
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: quote architectural fiasco has insulted. There will lay a perimeter

501
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: of salt around the building to quote render ineffective the

502
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: sinister frequencies it broadcasts. Now that's gonna be harder than

503
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: it sounds. I'm not like a salt doctor, but I

504
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: don't think it does that. Like, how much money are

505
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: you going to spend on salt? Yeah? So then they'll

506
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: make sacrifices to the building, like thousands of pages of

507
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: personal data, bouquets of flowers, and of course an ostriches

508
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: just one, just one? Um? So is that Does that

509
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: mean like that people are printing out their Facebook feeds

510
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: and setting them ablaze. Yes, I'm kind of into that

511
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: because I mean I put more into my Facebook feed

512
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: than I do like almost anything else that I do,

513
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: which is sad, but I kind of would like to

514
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: do yeah like Instagram. I mean I printed out your

515
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Facebook feed and burned it before what what I guys,

516
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't have cable. Okay, I'm just trying to do

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00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: stuff I didn't really I would never. Um, your my

518
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: space is still up not that I still Oh, everybody

519
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: probably has a lingering MySpace somewhere. So after they make

520
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: these sacrifices, their ideas that this will release the banal

521
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: facts of our lives back into their proper home, the ether,

522
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: and expel the demons of fear and suspicion from within

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00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: the temple. This sounds like they're joking, right, Like this

524
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: is a very tongue in chet Discordian satirical Yeah, it

525
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of is like a billionaires for Bush kind of thing,

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00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: you know. And it's not the first time something like

527
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: this has been done. In the sixties, Kenneth Anger, who

528
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: was like a weirdo experimental filmmaker, lad an Exorcism of

529
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: the Pentagon where and he and his folks encircled it

530
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: and tried to levitate it and claimed to have succeeded

531
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: in levitating it an inch or Yeah, big building. We

532
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: haven't proved anything about this. We want to have we

533
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: want to find notes. So if there are any internal

534
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Pentagon documents about the building floating, please let us know

535
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: if you just happen to have those when you showed

536
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: up here. This has all the makings of a sinister

537
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: political thriller, right, but it doesn't stop there. You see,

538
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: this obsessive listening is not restricted to spooky monolithic buildings

539
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: with cartoonishly uh cartoonishly ominous code names. And we're gonna

540
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: talk about that right after we have another sponsor break.

541
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: So we're back, and here's where it gets crazy. There

542
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: really are extraordinary conspiracies that are hidden all around us,

543
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: in our neighborhoods, in our homes, in our pockets as well.

544
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Recently leaked documents confirmed what the Fringe was saying for

545
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: years now. Your own television, cell phone, and electronic assistant

546
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: can be remotely activated almosout the microwave, like Kelly Ann

547
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Conway was saying. Is that is that? You know we

548
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: were talking about this. I think it depends on the microwave.

549
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: It's like a smart microwave. It also depends on what

550
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: you're cooking. Um, you you have to have really discerning

551
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: taste to kind of go under the radar. Yeah, well,

552
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: do people have Internet connected microwaves? I don't know, but

553
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: they certainly should be on the table. That should be

554
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: on the table. We should get one at the office. Yes,

555
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: should be on the table. So recently, wiki leaks release

556
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: some stuff describing what It calls secret spine and hacking

557
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: tools developed by the CIA and British intelligence and one

558
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: hack which was code named And this is for you,

559
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: doctor who fans Weeping Angel the worst, right, this is

560
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: a real thing. Who these I want to have the

561
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: code name job So so, Weeping Angel is a fake

562
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: off mode where your TV is just joshing with you

563
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: and it's actually on. And these smart TVs have cameras

564
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: and they can hear you. Microphones do because you can

565
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: talk to your remote and televison stuff and all that. Yeah,

566
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: this program specifically applies to Samsung televisions where they will

567
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: appear to be off, but runs spyware. It's luckily only

568
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: before everybody goes home, and like Rex, all the televisions

569
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: in your neighborhood do it anyway though, No, don't do it.

570
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: I mean no, not not somebody else is don't do that.

571
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: That's probably a bad crime unless it is. Unless it

572
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: is a tell, it's only tell. This only applies to

573
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Samsung televisions from two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen with

574
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: some outdated firmware, in which case, you know, I don't

575
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: know what your television life is like, but maybe you

576
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: want a new one anyway. Does this mean that like

577
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: Samsung colluded with the n s A and was like, hey,

578
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: let's work, let's hang, let's do this. Very interesting point, No,

579
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: very interest in question, because Samsung does have a warning

580
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: in their terms and agreements, and I'm sure we all

581
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: read those right. So Samsung says customers should be aware

582
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive

583
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: information used to like words when you speak yeah yeah, yeah,

584
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or like I don't know poetry slam. So okay,

585
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very anyway, that information will be among

586
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 1: the data contained and captured and transmitted to a third

587
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: party through your use of voice recognition. Just the third party?

588
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: A third party? How is that helpful? Samsung? That's I mean,

589
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: a third party could be anybody. I'm a third party.

590
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I like that they are calling it a party, you know.

591
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: That makes it sound way more fun than it is.

592
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: So any of you guys have a home assistant, not

593
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: like a like a robot butler, like one of those Yeah, Alexa,

594
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: you got Alexa? Okay? Anybody have a home Google Home? Anybody? Yeah,

595
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: anybody have Siri on your iPhone while you're in this

596
00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: room with us, right now, Siri, don't Yes, yes, all

597
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: of you who are the best? So there were there

598
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: were a lot of videos we've seen circulating online. Right.

599
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: A couple went viral where somebody is asking Alexa what

600
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: they do with audio data and the c I A right,

601
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: and Alexa doesn't outright answer at the time. And there

602
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: are people who believe this indicates that Alexa has being

603
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: purposefully evasive rather than understanding that, you know, uh Ai

604
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: has limits, because we're kind of if we're like, oh, Alexa,

605
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: you're not gonna trick me, I see what's going on,

606
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: we're sort of ascribing human emotions and motivations to something

607
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: that is we're anthropomorphised. I drew a face on mine.

608
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I don't have money. But the people who

609
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: really do believe that this kind of thing is going

610
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: down though, they get out the board, they start connecting

611
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: things up. So this is how it goes. Amazon the

612
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: company is owned by a certain Jeff Bezos. That's the

613
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: video part where it says here's where it starts. Uh.

614
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: Then he also owns the Washington Post, and because he

615
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: has a contract working with the CIA, Alexa very could

616
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: very well could be recording all of us anyone who

617
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: uses it and sending it directly to the old CIA. Yeah, okay, yeah,

618
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I see where that where that maps out. But it's

619
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: true that for a long time Alexa did keep mum

620
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: if you asked if you were being recorded? But again,

621
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Speaker 1: is that an indication of a conspiracy or were the

622
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: programmers just not bothering to build a specific response. Was

623
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: it like a non player character in a video game

624
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: where you can only ask certain questions and they can

625
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: only say certain things like that one in sky Rim

626
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: that always took an arrow to the knee repeatedly. Yeah,

627
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: like that, same same issue, same thing. Or maybe Alexa's

628
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: misinterpreting these questions, like maybe when you say are you

629
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: can nected to the CIA, it's looking for a WiFi,

630
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: my external hard drive, c I A one through whatever

631
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: I have. Alexa knows what the CIA is. If you

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Speaker 1: ask Alexa, well, the first paragraph of the Wikipedia entrigue

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Speaker 1: which I which I you know, I appreciate U. Alexa

634
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Speaker 1: though has recently been updated. She's she's a whole new

635
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: woman now. So if you if you ask the CIA question,

636
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: she'll say, no, I worked for Ammazon. Yeah, but she

637
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: doesn't say why. Yeah, yeah. Oh wait, And that's that's

638
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: also a point with Siri, right, because it sounds like

639
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: we're picking on Alexa. But Siri also gives non answers

640
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: things that sound evasive, like if you ask if she's

641
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: recording you, she'll say, I can't answer that. I can't

642
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: answer that. Daveh God, No, Siri thinks my name is Dave.

643
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: So Siri thinks my name is Princess because my eight

644
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: year old told her so, and I just never bothered

645
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: to change it because she's smarter than me. So Google's

646
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: personal assistant answers. If you ask, Hey, Google, are you

647
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: connected to the CIA, it says, oh, oh wait, hold

648
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Speaker 1: on what Yeah, I got through the voice Oh where

649
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Speaker 1: is it? Hey Google? Oh yeah, it says, I have

650
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Speaker 1: to admit I'm not sure that's what. What kind of

651
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: shady relationship is that? And it's been in some weird ones. Uh.

652
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: The question of connection again, that seems to be the issue.

653
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Speaker 1: If the information collected by Google is indeed being like

654
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: sent out to an intelligence agency, then each individual device

655
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Speaker 1: is not you know, likely connected directly to an n

656
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Speaker 1: s A server. It would make more sense for the

657
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: data to be collected and split off and that's the

658
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: case with a T and T s info at Titan point. Yeah.

659
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: So if you're using it and it's going through one

660
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: of these big carrier hotels, it doesn't matter if Amazon

661
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: or Google or Apple is working with the CIA, and

662
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: the statistics show that consumers are supporting this. If intelligence

663
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: agencies are in fact, if these conspiracy theories are true

664
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Speaker 1: and there is a massive sweeping collection of data, then

665
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: people are people seem to be on board. According to

666
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Speaker 1: the seventeen Voice report from Voice Labs, Amazon Echo, and

667
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: Google Home smart speakers are going to sell more than

668
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: twenty four million units through the end of ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that means they're gonna be a total of thirty three

670
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Speaker 1: million or so in just in living rooms and I

671
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Speaker 1: guess bathrooms. I don't know where do you put a

672
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: assistant besides the living room your room? Yeah, huh. So

673
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: here's the kicker. Even Amazon, Google and Apple aren't sending

674
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: this that collected directly to you know, Uncle Sam and

675
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: the CIA and stuff. Uh, they'll still be able to

676
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: collect it later or the private company will be able

677
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: to keep it as long as it once. I mean,

678
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: who reads the terms and agreements. But there's a silver

679
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: lining here maybe. Yeah, it's it's a it's sort of

680
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: a creepiece of over lining. But have you guys seen

681
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: that movie? Was it x Makena So it was called

682
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: yeah anyway, So the sort of like sinister Elon Musk

683
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Speaker 1: esque figure in that film who created the AI the

684
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: film is about, did a thing where he kind of

685
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: did a back room creepy deal with the government where

686
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: he turned every cell phone. No, it wasn't with the government.

687
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: It was with these giant Conglomo telecom companies turned every

688
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: cell phone in the world into a listening device that

689
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: then fed his neural network that he was using to

690
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: create his artificial intelligence. So by virtue of like hearing

691
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: all of these various human interactions, it could create a

692
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: more realistic, empathetic copy of a human intelligence in theory.

693
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: So that was just a movie. Yeah, yeah, that was

694
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: just a movie, But it's really happening. It's not that

695
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: far from the possibilities we're talking about neural networks, right

696
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: and machine consciousness or AI. We know that chatbots based

697
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: on human interactions with actual you know people have been

698
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: built before. There was the famous one on Twitter that

699
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: got super weird. Yeah, weird is one word for it.

700
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. Yeah, it's called tay tweets. Microsoft built

701
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: it within twenty four hours of going public just based

702
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: on conversations with people on Twitter. It like it went bonkers.

703
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I think I'm willing to curse on the stage, but

704
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna read that stuff for beatim. Well,

705
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: and then the whole idea is that it only knows

706
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: what it's being sent, right right. Yeah, So if you're

707
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Speaker 1: teaching an AI every single online interaction that has ever

708
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: occurred since two thousand three, Um, I mean, we're probably

709
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: getting close to something that's gonna be intelligent, he says.

710
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: What if it wants to extinguish our entire Yeah, that's

711
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: the other thing, you guys. I don't want to embarrass

712
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: anybody other than myself. But what I think about the

713
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: conversations I've had online and the stuff that I've said,

714
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: my drunken Facebook likes alone are teaching artificial intelligence terrible,

715
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: terrible things. We're really good at turning silver linings around

716
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: pretty quick. So let's let's go down that that path

717
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: for a second. What if this information that's being stored

718
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: in these hubs, you know, like your Facebook likes and stuff,

719
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: what if, like, given a more drastic shift in government

720
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: than we're seeing right now. I don't know what that's

721
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: gonna look like, terrifying. What if, you know, stuff gets

722
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: really weird and all of a sudden it becomes illegal

723
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: to have, you know, liked Bernie Sanders on Facebook, and

724
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: it becomes like an executable offense, and all that stuff

725
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: is stored in perpetuity in these hubs, and then all

726
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like the government can go back and

727
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: figure it out and put you on a list now,

728
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: and then that's the problem. It's alarmist a little just

729
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: have to get re educated. It wouldn't be that bad.

730
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: Is it not far off the market? I don't know. Well,

731
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: that's the problem with the old argument that, uh, if

732
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: you got if you've got nothing to high, we were free,

733
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: we were you were you being such a wood like

734
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: a rocky voice. I don't know. I just in my

735
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: head it's some guy named Derek. You know, Derek seems

736
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: a little bit aggro, but I think he's you know,

737
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: he's You've got to come up for him. Yeah, because

738
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: if the situation changes and the things that were once

739
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, protected by a freedom of speech or freedom

740
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: of thought are no longer protected, then it applies retroactively.

741
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: In many ways, this is similar to like if you

742
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: had a tattoo and tattoos were legal, and now all

743
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, somebody is a massive dick about it

744
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: and tattoos aren't aren't legal, and then you're culpable for that. Ultimately,

745
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: one of the arguments would be that the only way

746
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: we can control the flow of our personal information is

747
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: to avoid using these devices entirely. But guys, I object

748
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: to that. I think it's unrealist stick and I think

749
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: it's time that we consider more and more often the

750
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: way this stuff leaks. So we've all heard about second

751
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: hand smoking, right, there's second hand privacy as well. So

752
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: if I ever go that extra two percent into the

753
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: realm of full lunatic, and I'm like off the grid,

754
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, no Facebook, Matt, no Instagram, Knoll and everybody

755
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: take my computers. Just from hanging out with these guys

756
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: if they have phones, I'm still showing up. Come on, man.

757
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: It's like when I used to play a Pokemon for

758
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: that week, um, and we're like at a bar hanging

759
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: out and I'm like, dude, hold still, there's a gigglely

760
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: puff on your ear and I'm trying to get it,

761
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: and then Ben, it's like, no, you know, it happens.

762
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: I get it, though, Man, I get it. But at

763
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: the same time, I want to be able to catch

764
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: a jiggli puff at the bar. So it's cool. I'm

765
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: okay with all this stuff, and a lot of us are,

766
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: and like, I know that it's an issue, you know

767
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: for many of us, and some people, you know, they

768
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: put tape over their phone camera. But I'm kind of

769
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I'm kind of the mind,

770
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, where it's like, I'm it's worth it to

771
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: me to make the trade off to be able to

772
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: use Facebook, to be able to catch a Chickley Puffett, Like,

773
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm not that interesting. What are they gonna do with

774
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: my stuff? Well? Okay, but then when you look at

775
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: the big picture, that's where it starts mattering. And maybe

776
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little shortsighted in that respect. I've got

777
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: your back, school me, okay, uh um, all right. So

778
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: the thing is that you will hear often that we're

779
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: facing as a society and extinction of privacy. That is

780
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: not the case because what we consider privacy historically is

781
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: a very recent phenomenon, and what is actually happening, I

782
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: would argue, is that we see an accelerating inequality of privacy.

783
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: Privacy is becoming one of the most important currencies of

784
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: the modern age, and it's getting tougher and tougher to

785
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: access it. So what happens, you know, we what happens

786
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: if the beliefs you expect sound ten years ago suddenly

787
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: come back to haunt you like ghosts. You know what

788
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: what happens if we live in a world where microwaves

789
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: and toasters and televisions are listening to every word we say,

790
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: which is God. I feel sorry for those guys. It's

791
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: gonna be disappointing. You know. We always joke around that

792
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: we have an n s A intern named Steve. I

793
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: think Steve, Yeah, we don't mean to you know, if

794
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: somebody's if somebody from the n s A is listening

795
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: to us, it's probably definitely yeah. It's probably like a

796
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: freshman who's doing an internship thing and he's and he's

797
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: just like, oh God, please stop with the jokes. You're

798
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: not funny, guys, are as funny as you think you are.

799
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: It happens there There's something else here that we should

800
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: talk about, which is the recent legislation that was I

801
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: think signed by uh signed by what do you what

802
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: do you call a little twenty four okay, sign by

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Speaker 1: sign by rump. Uh No, no, not four h five,

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00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: I would now I'm not I'm goingly good at taxi math. Okay, okay, alright,

805
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: so tax about the site there, there's uh, there's legislation

806
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: that will pass that's that's threatening to allow private companies

807
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: whomever they are, to not only sell your data without

808
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: your consent, you know, to advertisers, to insurance companies in

809
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: a way that might impact your your insurance situation. Uh,

810
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: they also are making money off of it. And here's

811
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's like as a cheap skate, you don't

812
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: even get a cut. You don't even get like and

813
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: this is one of the most lucrative things you can

814
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: do now with a company is collect data and then

815
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Speaker 1: sell it, which brings us to the most important acronym

816
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Speaker 1: of the evening VPN. Yes, what is that? It's a

817
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: proxy box? Yes, yes, yes, okay, So what's point do

818
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: you use one? I mean, you use one of the

819
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: slut and paid ones. Yeah, but I'm changing them for

820
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: free too, and it allows you to reroute your internet traffic.

821
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Speaker 1: You're you know I p addressed in a way where

822
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: you can't be tracked in the same way that people

823
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: that don't use them are able to be tracked. One more,

824
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: one more set of an obstacle, and it's increasingly difficult

825
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: to be anonymous online like cartoonishly so, but you can

826
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: do what you can and that's all you can do. Boy,

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Speaker 1: that came out pretty well. We're live. But but the

828
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: point is here, what if we brought all of this

829
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: back around the point on purpose? The point is simple,

830
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: whether or not these alarmists conspiracy theories are true, whether

831
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: or not it's malarkey or the real deal of fried

832
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: bologny sandwich or the god's honest truth. No matter what

833
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: any of us might think about it, the fact remains

834
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: that there is a window list skyscraper a half hour

835
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: away from here, and it's watching you and listening. And

836
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Speaker 1: that's the end of this classic episode. If you have

837
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: any thoughts or questions about this episode, you can get

838
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: into contact with us in a number of different ways.

839
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 1: One of the best is to give us a call.

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