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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hi Saron,

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Speaker 1: Hello Elizabeth Dutton right correct, Yeah, to see you again,

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Speaker 1: good to see how awesome? That's good to know? Happy? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that for you, Thank you. I love it

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Speaker 1: for me too. Do you know it's ridiculous? Oh I

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Speaker 1: got this one. Yes, you know the Boy Scouts of America.

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Speaker 1: Yes they do. Okay, So there used to be a

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Speaker 1: competing organization called the American Boy Scouts, and this one

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Speaker 1: was started by William Randolph Hurst. The reason why he

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Speaker 1: started it was because there was a publisher in Chicago

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Speaker 1: of America Scouts. Well, no, I just that was just

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Speaker 1: how I said that. They actually started in England and

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Speaker 1: the idea to America. He starts the Boy Scouts of America.

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Speaker 1: No connection to his last name boys anyway. Hearst it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I want my own army of boys.

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Speaker 1: So he then starts the American Boy Scouts. And this

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Speaker 1: is all part of his ongoing publisher rivalry with this

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Speaker 1: dude boys who's in Chicago right now. These two groups

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Speaker 1: were super similar because like they both were boy Scouts right,

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Speaker 1: and in fact there was a whole litigious thing about

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Speaker 1: who can call themselves boy scouts. The big difference between

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Speaker 1: the two of them. Herst group, the American Boy Scouts,

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Speaker 1: carried loaded firearms. A rifle was issued to every American

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Speaker 1: Boy Scouts, which surprisingly did not go well. Well armed

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Speaker 1: twelve year old. It was a standing boy army at

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Speaker 1: his own standard boy army. That's ridiculous, very William Hurst.

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Speaker 1: You know what else is ridiculous? No hit me with it?

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Speaker 1: Conning people into buying land in a fake country. Oh

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Speaker 1: I like that? Yeah, I know you would. I am

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton. And that guy over there, Zaron Burnett, what

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Speaker 1: are you a cop? Yes? And this is ridicule. This

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Speaker 1: crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons.

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Speaker 1: It's always murder free. And guess what ridiculous? Like that?

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Speaker 1: I like that, about that, like that about everything. You

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Speaker 1: know what else? I like? I like to think of

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Speaker 1: myself as pretty skeptical and untrusting. I'd say that's mostly true.

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Speaker 1: It serves me. Well, Yeah, you know, I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people feel like I do. Do you think

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Speaker 1: you're skeptical and untrusting. I think I am so skeptical. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: I need other words exactly see people people like you

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Speaker 1: and I so maybe not. You still fall victim to

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Speaker 1: confident schemes. Oh, I know what happens to some people

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Speaker 1: carry them out like you know that. I will pay

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Speaker 1: for a good like a three card Monty game. If

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Speaker 1: Would mind being taken as long as I know I'm

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Speaker 1: being taken? Oh well that's a good point. Well, so

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Speaker 1: there's this woman, Maria Kinda Cova. She has a bachelor's

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Speaker 1: in psychology from Harvard. I've interviewed PhD in psychology from Columbia.

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Speaker 1: She great, she's got the bona fidus in. She wrote

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Speaker 1: a book called The Confidence Game. In The Confidence Game,

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Speaker 1: she profiles a bunch of con artists and analyzes the

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Speaker 1: psychology behind the con, the victim, their relationships. One of

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Speaker 1: named Gregor McGregor, good name McGregor. Basically, she's wondering, why

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Speaker 1: do we believe this garbage? How can our sense of

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Speaker 1: truth be so manipulated? She says that there are two

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Speaker 1: kinds of persuasive tactics used by confidence tricksters. There's alpha,

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Speaker 1: which is more common, meaning that's the one where you

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Speaker 1: Omega decreasing resistance to this, So you gotta do it.

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Speaker 1: You'd be such a fool if you didn't take advantage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: approach avoidance model of persuasion. You can convince me of

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Speaker 1: any reasons I might have to avoid it. That's some

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Speaker 1: real core human psychologists. Yeah. So Gregor McGregor, Gregor, son

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Speaker 1: Sa So Gregor McGregor born Christmas Eve sevent six in Scotland,

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Speaker 1: probably saying it wrong. Uh So, when he was sixteen, Gregor,

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Speaker 1: That's how he woke up. I've so he served in

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Speaker 1: And that really wasn't convenient. So guess what the men

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Speaker 1: He was really leaning on that whole Clan McGregor thing,

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Speaker 1: what he has exactly. So five months after his wife

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Speaker 1: right So Gregor says he'll help, and he actually delivers.

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Speaker 1: Simon Boulivard. Man, things are looking up right, marries Bolivar's cousin, Um.

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Speaker 1: But the revolution is still not going so well. Gregor

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Speaker 1: manages to do some heroic things. Um, some people were

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Speaker 1: And then the bluffer part means the student's got his number,

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Speaker 1: I mean completely. So Gregor starts fighting in various arenas

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Speaker 1: listen anymore anyway, Tom's Strange Ways. He was said to

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00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: be a member of Gregor's entourage, someone who had presumably

420
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: seen the actual um Pier. He wrote a comprehensive guide

421
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 1: book like a sales brochure for people looking to do

422
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: some good old fashioned colonize like a Lonely Planet pamphlet, Yes,

423
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: a Lonely Planet, Rick Steve's Guide to Poier. The only

424
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: problem was that strange ways was actually Gregor knew it.

425
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: He John bar and the hell out of that totally did.

426
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: And so he keeps saying, look, I'm telling you this,

427
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: but here's this guy I just met that I brought

428
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: on board. He he'll tell you all about to read

429
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 1: this book. You know it's in the book. Um. So

430
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: Gregor then sets up sales offices all over England and

431
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: they offered people a chance to buy an acre of

432
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: land for just a little price of four shillings. That

433
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: is really low, right, and that's like who knows. Shilling

434
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: is like it's basically coinage, and it's like the type

435
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: of like I'm buying maybe a loaf of bread with shillings, right,

436
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I'm saying, like heypenny's halfpenny

437
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: and then shilling is like one of theirs, like a

438
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: quarter or whatever, you know what. I have no idea. Okay, good,

439
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad we had this talk. Thank you. So he

440
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: hires balladeers to write songs and go on tour and

441
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: they're like crooning about the luxurious joys of Poier, like

442
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: his pook cook. I'm going to go back to Maria

443
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: Knakova for a second. Please, I want to quote from

444
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: her what she says about Gregor. He highlighted the bravery

445
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: and fortitude that such a gesture would demonstrate. You wouldn't

446
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: just be smart, you'd be a real man. The Scottish

447
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: Highlanders were known for their heartiness and adventurous spirit. He wrote,

448
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: Poier would be the ultimate testing ground, a challenge and

449
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: a gift all in one. He pointed those who needed

450
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: more convincing to a book on the virtues of the

451
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: small island nation by the elusive Thomas Strangeways. Actually McGregor himself.

452
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: His prospectives enticed the public with their masterful promises, their

453
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: lure of opportunity, their appeal to scarcity, their admonitions not

454
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: to let this perfect moment pass by. So he buttons,

455
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, He's like, come on, you conquer things,

456
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: conquer this, be a man about it. Come on. At

457
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: this point, people are begging to go to Poier Paradise.

458
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: They want in. So the bulk of the first group

459
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: selected where Scots seems like a betrayal to me well,

460
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: because he knows it's fake. And then he's bringing all

461
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: these Scots you know, at know have some hometown pride.

462
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: I feel that, but also don't think that that. Maybe

463
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of the shill nature is like, look, I

464
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: gotta get some Scots because then if I get them,

465
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: people will believe it well, and as he's appealing to

466
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: their party, he needs that ready Scottish. But here's the thing.

467
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: Most of the people that Scotts that he got were

468
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: older farm folk of lesser means looking to retire. Okay, yea, yeah.

469
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: There were young lads who wanted adventure, and he was

470
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: promising them positions in the POI A military educated professionals

471
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: he you know, they would buy titles and cush government

472
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: gigs from him and set themselves up. There were tradesmen

473
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: artisans who traded in their English businesses for a chance

474
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: at cornering the POI A market on I don't know, sandals, candles,

475
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: sandals and candles, saddles, books, battles, whatever, um. All of

476
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: them traded every pence that they had in pounds sterling

477
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: into POI A bucks that Gregor had printed up. So

478
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: all the people who are going to go. I'm just

479
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: blown away by this. I mean, like, there's got to

480
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: be they had to know other people. The English are

481
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: over there. They have English people in Jamaica, aren't they

482
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: aware of? Like no, there's so many shifting sands in

483
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: South America at this point with that, But I mean,

484
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't there be somebody who's over in port Royals

485
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: Like No, I know a little bit about South America.

486
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't even need to go to Poier to tell

487
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: you that doesn't exist. Well, maybe they wanted to believe

488
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: it too. I don't know. I'm yeah, they're just thinking, well,

489
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: they just haven't looked that far. He found a better place.

490
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: Maybe he saw something I didn't see. Yeah, So he

491
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: says he's got this great exchange rate. They'll give you

492
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: Poi a bucks for your pounds sterling. And confidence is

493
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: very mesmerizing and people will go with it over rational

494
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: thought from the group mentality of all these other people,

495
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: and you think, oh, it's gonna be great. It's going

496
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: to be great, Gregor. He starts taking out loans on

497
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: behalf of the Poier government two thousand pounds. Do you

498
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: know how much that is today? Seven million? Pounds. London

499
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: should be ashamed, you know for US Yanks, that's thirty

500
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: five million dollars. Right September, fifty brave souls boarded the

501
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: vessel Honduras Packet in Leith, Scotland. This is interesting. Two

502
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: that's a year after the Spanish basically pull out of

503
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: the New World. So like there's gonna be a rush

504
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: of people. He ke time so well, totally did. They

505
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: sailed the oceans blue and then they reached the Mosquito coast.

506
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: They were pumped, they were so fired up. The flag

507
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: of POI was raised on the ship. It was a

508
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: white background in a green cross, and that was the

509
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: fake flag that Gregor used for all his other previous

510
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: land grabs. And he also said he had the Knights

511
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: of the Green Cross, so he had this whole mythology

512
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: that he created. So the settlers they pile into the

513
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: tenders and they make their way from the Honduras Packet

514
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: to shore. Absolutely, this is it. This is a moment

515
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: of truth man. They found it. Can you imagine what

516
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: it must have felt like for these people at that time,

517
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: like being excitement, the anxiety. I'm just wondering why they

518
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to like America or somewhere a

519
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: little more proven. So I'm like, I'm a little curious

520
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: about who these people are that they're so like, this

521
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: is my chance. I'm gonna go over here. I'm gonna

522
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: become like the future of Poia. I'm like, they seem

523
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: like they're already telling themselves stories, is what totally are

524
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: so imagining this moment is just gonna be like eye opening, dazzling,

525
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: just like we finally here and then all of a

526
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: sudden they get stung by mosquito. Well, and they get

527
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: they get that feeling of being the first on the scene,

528
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: and so people are like, yeah, you know what us

529
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: played out, kay, And it's trying to get really crowded,

530
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: and they want to go somewhere where the land is cheap,

531
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: and i mean, the way they've been told it is

532
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: an absolute utopia. And I'm sure they're looking for the

533
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: new New America or the new Australia and they want

534
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: to get in Earlier he's telling him, getting on the

535
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: ground floor, get yourself a acres and have at it.

536
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: It's incredible, right. So I mean, I'm just imagining that

537
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: the people on these tenders, they're getting up to the

538
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: shore and they're just all a buzz. The conversation on

539
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: these little boats must have been incredible. Weeks across the

540
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: Atlantic all the time to build up this is it.

541
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: Don't forget there are other ships of fools right behind them,

542
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: crossing the ocean to find this false para. This is

543
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: just the first boat, but I mean there ones that

544
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: are like literally right on their tail. Let's take a break.

545
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: When we come back, I'm going to paint you a

546
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: picture of that moment of contact between the pioneers in

547
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: the sandy shores of Pier. All right, Saron waves lap

548
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: against the holes of the tenders ferrying the incomers to

549
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: the shores of Poier, just the way I like a

550
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: wave lap. Laughing it up. These folks were about to

551
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: start their new lives in a South American paradise. I

552
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: love that for them, So long suckers in Scotland and England.

553
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: They're kidded out in their best clothes. Oh my god. Yeah,

554
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: so it's not like, you know, they're just in their

555
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: work pants, like in their easter hats, in their finest yes,

556
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: so many bonnets, so many pressed suits. Um, they think

557
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: they're just going to get out and stroll the streets

558
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: of POI remember there's an umber house to let's get

559
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: dazzled up. We'll rest a bit when we get in,

560
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: and then that night we can go out to dinner

561
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: and just stroll the streets perambulation. And I'm sure that

562
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: they think that, you know, a fine dinner is waiting

563
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: for them and cheap. They're like, oh, I'll have quail

564
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: legs and then I'll have a beauty well. And it's

565
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: like all sorts of people who either travel to other countries,

566
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: people from the west, to go to more impoverished nations

567
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: and think they're going to retire there for pennies or

568
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: whatever exploit. So there we have it. Um one of

569
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: the origin stories. The tender anchors just off shore are

570
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: and they fired off a shot to alert the locals

571
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: of their arrival. Nothing happened, of course, there's no one there,

572
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: so they're expecting like a cannon to respond right and that,

573
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: and that there would be all these little boats that

574
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: would come out and a real long, awkward side it's

575
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: a really long silence. The boats just then decided to

576
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: make their way to the sand. Well, I should say

577
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: they were piloted, they're not the boats sentiently. Um. So

578
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: they pull up, the people get off, they disembark, and

579
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: they stood on this desolate beach and wondered if maybe

580
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: they navigated poorly that happened. Yeah, maybe we just got

581
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, a few miles up the coast, and

582
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: Spanish wrote a lot about the Caribbean Curtain. So they're

583
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: standing there wondering what's going on. There's got to be

584
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: a booming metropolis around here somewhere, we just can't hear it.

585
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: Let be quiet, um, there's another ship full of a

586
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people just pulling up behind it, and

587
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: they're just as eager to start there the whole same thing.

588
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: They're in fancy clothes too. Some of the group tried

589
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: to make their way inland to see if they could

590
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: pick up like the outskirts of this capital city, to

591
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: find the gold Road or whatever. Yes, so the rest

592
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: of them they stay on the beach with all of

593
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: their earthly belongings. Don't forget. They just they up the left.

594
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna luve it. Furniture, the trunks, praying there

595
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: was a piano in with all of this supplies. They

596
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: actually had a lot of supplies. Imagine some of them

597
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: brought stuff for their businesses. So there's like butcher blocks

598
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: and stuff. That's exactly. There's like someone sharpening all the

599
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: knives form and stuff. Um. So they get about half

600
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: their stuff off of the main ships when the sky

601
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: starts to dart in the winds, pick up. That's right,

602
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: it's right, baby did the sailors not telling them because

603
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: they know they know whether they could kid off the hurricane. Here,

604
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: take your stuff, we'll throw it. Don't worry, hurricane, you

605
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: could call it slurricane. Yeah. They basically were like Weather

606
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: channel correspondence on the front lines of a hurricane. But

607
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: no windbreakers, no bellaguered camera. It was just them in

608
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: the wind and the driving rain. The two large ships

609
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: lost at sea. Of Yeah, stuff scattered all up and

610
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: down the beach in pieces. It's terrible. They did their

611
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: best to sort of create some shelter on the beach

612
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: and in like the encroaching jungle imagine. They also brought

613
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: with them children and animals. It's the rainy season. There

614
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: was high hurricane um and pretty soon everyone's sick yellow fever.

615
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: And because it is after all, the Mosquito Coast malaria

616
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: and so as it happens Marshall Bennett, who was the

617
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Chief Magistrate of Belize. He was hopped on his schooner

618
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: called the Mexican Eagle, and he went for a little

619
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: visit to the Mosquitoo King totally unrelated. Right on the

620
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: way there, he's like, what are all these people doing?

621
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: What are these on the beach? So he's like, oh,

622
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: what's going on over there? And they're like, where's Pier?

623
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: I know y'all lost to what's going on? They say.

624
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: He finds them and they're like, we're here to go

625
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: to point. He's like, what's Poier and they're like, no, no, No,

626
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: it's this wonderful city there's over here. He's like, guys,

627
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: there's no Poier. I know, I know this place. Hello,

628
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm the chief Magistrate of Belize and I speak English

629
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: and I speaks I Do you understand what I'm saying?

630
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: There's no Poier And they're like, well, we we bought

631
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: passage from the Kazique of Poier. He's like, I'm the

632
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: what now, there's no there's no Poier. So there's no

633
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: causeque of Poie and the King of miss Key too.

634
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: He finds out about Gregor's scheme he's like, oh, yeah,

635
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: that guy, I got a couple of a couple of

636
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: pieces of jewelry off him and that rum. He's like, no, no, no, no, no,

637
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I revoke whatever it was that I signed. I don't remember,

638
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: but it was like me, I don't know what I signed,

639
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: but whatever, it doesn't mean anything. So he's like, you

640
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: know this guy, this Gregor, son of Gregor, he has

641
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: no right to anything here. And he tells the settlers,

642
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: guess what, you're on my turf now, you either swear

643
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: allegiance to me or g tfo. They're like thinking about it,

644
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, can we catch a ride to Belize? So

645
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: it takes yeah. So it takes three trips on the

646
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Mexican Eagle to ferry the survivors, and they're crammed in

647
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: there because the ship's not big. They'd lost some folks

648
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: by this point, others were too sick to travel, and

649
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: then I guess the ones who they just became subjects

650
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: of the Mosquitoo King. All right, I guess, off to

651
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: the jungle. But everyone else gets thrown into the boat

652
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: and taken up to Belize. The Hondurans. They sent some

653
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: clipper ships out to stop and reroute any further incoming ships. Yeah,

654
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: and how many ships of Brits made it out there?

655
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: In total, seven seven were on the seat, so they've

656
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: divert the rest of them. About two and fifty people

657
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: set foot on the supposed um of those dred and

658
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: eighty died. Whoa, Yeah, and less than fifty of them

659
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: made it back to Britain. The rest, you know, either

660
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: stayed and believes or they went to the United States. Actually,

661
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: I'm always blown away by these stories whenever you read

662
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: about the especially the nineteenth century, is how many times

663
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: like people went there seventeen came back. The world is brutal.

664
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: Back home, people are a little outraged, a little bit

665
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: um some of that. Gregor McGregor luck though, and cunning

666
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: starts to kick in. So he says, you know what,

667
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: it's not my fault that things turned out the way

668
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: they did, and how would that be exactly? He said that.

669
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: He's still continue to say Poier exists. Al Right, guys,

670
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: I was the one who was swindled and I was

671
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: conned out by my business associates. Yeah, they let everyone astray,

672
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: and they're responsible for the poor navigation. They they dropped

673
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: him off at the wrong place point. We're still waiting

674
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: for everyone at Poi A like you, I'm in bamboo justice.

675
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: They're standing on those on the streets of Poi with

676
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: bouquets of flowers for all these people that are wilted now.

677
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: Their feelings are hurt that there's a lot of victims here.

678
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: The feasts of exotic goat meat and and goose fat,

679
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: all the troops of actors preparing shows is welcoming. They

680
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: would think they hear something out on the beach and

681
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: they're like man five six and then like, no, no, no,

682
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: that was just that was just a big pelican Oh,

683
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: never mind, al right, places people first, positions everybody. So um,

684
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: he says, yeah, it's not my fault. It wasn't me

685
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: that and uh he says, you know what, if everyone

686
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: would just have listened to me, those people would be

687
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: alive right now. Yeah. And a lot of people believed,

688
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, you know what, guys, you're right

689
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: if you just listen to Gregor over there, he said, yep, confidence, yes,

690
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: and destiny is all so um. People are battling it

691
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: out in the press mainly as to like who holds

692
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: the blame Gregor and his family and some of his

693
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: associates slipped out of London. They said, Um, Josefa his wife,

694
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: she's not well and she's under doctor's orders to um

695
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: go to Italy to recover. I really need that doctor's No,

696
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: you need to go Elizabeth must go to Italy for

697
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: six weeks. This is an order. And also take me

698
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: with her, Yeah, exactly. So instead he goes to France.

699
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: So he didn't really go to Italy. He goes to France. Um.

700
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: This was right before a small party of survivors, that

701
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: little group that made it home. Before they come home. Um.

702
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: But when they got to England, people really got pissed.

703
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: They got so mad because here are these the first

704
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: hand account of what happened and how just taken they were.

705
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: And they're looking around like, well, where is well? I

706
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: guess he's in Italy, right, Well, what's Gregor doing over

707
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: in France? Setting up more offices in Paris to sell

708
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: land in fortune in Poe. He's like, they don't talk that,

709
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: the English and the French, they don't talk. So for

710
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: a time he tried to take the France. Like he

711
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: tries to he tries to make per legitimate by going

712
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: to the Spanish and asking them to annex it, and

713
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: he's giving them all you know, you can do this

714
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: with it. They're just like, no, get out of here, dude,

715
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: So they don't fight. So he's winning the confidence of

716
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: more and more French society folks, and he starts to

717
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: make a new scheme where he's going to transfer huge

718
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: swaths of land to investors and make them the de

719
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: facto rulers. But that also makes them responsible for the

720
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: fates of the people who go there. Oh, interesting kind

721
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: of shifting Walter rallying them like, can go over there

722
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens. Yes, the first ship leaves

723
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: lahavre uh Um towards the luxuries of Poer and the dependencies, yeah,

724
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: and all of its dependencies, which is like the one

725
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: king there um Gregor. He gets a second loan for

726
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: this phantom country of Poier. This time it's three hundred

727
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: thousand pounds. This is like millions and millions and millions

728
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: for a steak in the Poyer gold mines. And what

729
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: about his previous loan. Did the bank just be like,

730
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: well that guy, you know, well, he converting it to

731
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: stock and stuff and these people are buying in and yeah.

732
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: So he was able to run this con in France

733
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: for two years, and then the French started asking questions. Finally,

734
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: they're like, why why are people asking for passports to

735
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: go to this country that we've never heard of. This

736
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: is not a country on our approved not on any

737
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: of the maps we have, And they start up this investigation,

738
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: and so in a twenty seven, Greggers like, I'm going

739
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: back to England. I'll take my chances there. And then

740
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: he lands and is immediately arrested. So the French are like,

741
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, let let them take care of this. He's there,

742
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: dude like, all right, he's arrested, Fine, we're done. Um.

743
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: But then the charges are mysteriously dropped. Yeah he's a freeman.

744
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: And then he decides he wants to be a freeman

745
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: in Paris. He goes so he's been in England and

746
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: and so for whatever reason, the charges get dropped. I'm

747
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: saying that the part that is really wild to me

748
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: is Okay, the charges get dropped, that's crazy. And he's like,

749
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to the place that also that's

750
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: investigating you just got off. He goes back and he

751
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: gets arrested over there exactly but and he claimed again,

752
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm the one who's been con here.

753
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm the victim. And one of his associates fled to

754
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: the Netherlands, right, okay, want to get back into the Spanish.

755
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: So because that guy is running for it, he's like

756
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: it's him. He won't stand here in face you like

757
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: a man like I will. So Gregor just pins everything

758
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: on dude in the Netherlands and he comes up with

759
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: all these like fake documents and stories. His associates get

760
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: convicted and he's found not guilty on all charges. I mean,

761
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: he wrote like this huge treatise that his lawyer reads out.

762
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: Did they not look at all of the books and

763
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: paperwork that he created and wouldn't that be entered into evidence?

764
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: Like no, I be they lantered in They're like, well,

765
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: I guess you know strange ways wrote another account of this,

766
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: So yes, thank you, John Barron Um. So he planned

767
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: to live out the rest of his years in Paris,

768
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a questionable society lay about.

769
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: That's a good plan. But he blew through all the

770
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: money and he did it quickly. He'd been living really

771
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: really large, and he spread the money around to a

772
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: bunch of people he did like an mc hammer where

773
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: he just yes. Uh. He also, it costs a lot

774
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: of money to put these together and take people over there,

775
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: so he's like, in order to keep that con looking

776
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: fresh and real, he's sinking cash. And the only reason

777
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: we have corporations is because of how expensive it is

778
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: to keep boats over there. Exactly. So in eight Hosfe

779
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: died and at this point he had already lost two children,

780
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: so he has nothing, nothing left but his memories and

781
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: they're beautiful and the braid and his hair from sandals poer. Uh.

782
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: So the last time he had nothing, he made a choice,

783
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: and he makes that choice again South America, going back

784
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: basically his version of fake my death, go to Cuba.

785
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: That's so thirty nine old Gregor, son of Gregor. He

786
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: makes his way to Venezuela and he just begs for

787
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: citizenship's hair. He also he wanted his old military titles

788
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: and honors, so yeah, he's that that's basically what he did.

789
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: So he goes there and instead of saying, please, can

790
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: I be a citizen, he's like, can I be a

791
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: citizen and have a title and be well regarded and

792
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: a pension and a big hat and made a big

793
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: hat throwing a pension in a big hat, and he

794
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: gets it. He gets it all. He gets citizenship, he

795
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: gets a pension, He lives out his days as a normal,

796
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: respected citizen there. And then no one talked about Amelia

797
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: Island when he thought he was going to capture Florida.

798
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: That's gone. No one talks about poi a forget it.

799
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: He died in Caracas December, and he received a full

800
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: military funeral and burial and was just lauded by the people.

801
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: Rewrote history. That area known as Poier undeveloped to this day.

802
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: So it really you can see that it wasn't just

803
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: oh they didn't know how it was like Florida eades.

804
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: This is never going to be turned into anything useful. Yeah,

805
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: So what's what's your ridiculous takeaway from this tale of

806
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: Gregor McGregor? If you fail the first time, just keep

807
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: conning over the exact same bigger, maybe even go bigger.

808
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: That's also and get a uniform. Uniform, go bigger and

809
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: try moving around a lot to be like, oh, it

810
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: couldn't have been me. I'm the ki And that's perfect

811
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: life pro tip right there. I keep thinking about conna

812
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: Cova's assessment of Gregor McGregor that like his con was

813
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: so intuitive and convincing that he was able to keep

814
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: running the same con over and over. Oh yeah he was.

815
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: He had got it into the vein of humanity people.

816
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: They had hard evidence that he was full of it.

817
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: And yet nope, that right, there is true confidence, right,

818
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: confidence in himself and the confidence that people had in him.

819
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: And when is their confidence to him? I can't believe

820
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: that people fell for it, but I'm guessing that they

821
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: probably didn't think they'd fall for something so outrageous either.

822
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: That's how they fall for it. Yeah. So, Um. The

823
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to bring up to you is

824
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: that I have some land on a special secret island.

825
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: Really yeah? Does it have a good farmland? It's amazing.

826
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: Are there already existing roads and infratecture infrastructure law? Yes,

827
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: there are carbon neutral trains. Perfect. Let me go get

828
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: my check book. I'll be right back. That's it for today. Um.

829
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,520
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830
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,000
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831
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,320
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832
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,760
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833
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,360
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834
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,640
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