Speaker 1: Pushkin. Suki Waterhouse started professional life as a model and
Speaker 1: actress in the UK. A full fledged music career might
Speaker 1: have seemed far fetched, but she quickly found an authentic
Speaker 1: voice as a singer songwriter. She put out some beautiful
Speaker 1: demos that caught the attention of the legendary sub pop label,
Speaker 1: which put out her first album, I Can't Let Go
Speaker 1: and her latest memoir of a Sparkle Muffin. Suki's music
Speaker 1: first started catching on with audiences through TikTok, but he
Speaker 1: oftener album wasn't built with social media audiences in mind.
Speaker 1: It's an eighteen song journey through the life of a
Speaker 1: thirty year old woman who had some wild times in
Speaker 1: her twenties, survived the sadness memorialized on her first album,
Speaker 1: and has come to find happiness and even a family
Speaker 1: on the other side. On today's episode, I talked with
Speaker 1: Suki Waterhouse about building an organic career in music, what
Speaker 1: it was like opening for Taylor's Swift at Wembley Stadium
Speaker 1: just last month, and she tells a great Jack White
Speaker 1: story that inspired one of my favorite lines from her
Speaker 1: first album. This is broken record liner notes for the
Speaker 1: digital age. I'm justin Richman. Here's my conversation with Sukie
Speaker 1: Waterhouse from Amazon's Studio one twenty six. To see the
Speaker 1: full video version of this episode, go to YouTube dot
Speaker 1: com slash Broken Record podcast. Congratulations on the soon to
Speaker 1: be released memoir of a Sparkle Muffin.
Speaker 2: Thank You, Thank You. I can't believe it. Actually it's
Speaker 2: too like over two weeks, but it's pretty much two
Speaker 2: weeks away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, right up.
Speaker 3: I know, it's always that strange thing.
Speaker 2: You put so much work in and there's kind of
Speaker 2: singles coming out and there's rollout, and then you kind
Speaker 2: of actually you kind of forget that everyone hasn't had
Speaker 2: the record yet.
Speaker 1: You've heard it a ton, Yeah, I've.
Speaker 3: Had it a bunch of times.
Speaker 2: I just did a listening party the other day, which
Speaker 2: was just really fun nice because you know, you get
Speaker 2: together like a kind of one hundred or something and
Speaker 2: you play them and you get to see their expressions
Speaker 2: and you you kind of get like a real.
Speaker 3: Sense of it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and I've been going around and like showing
Speaker 2: it to some of the streamers and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but you kind of forget that everyone else, apart from
Speaker 2: like your friends and all the people that you love,
Speaker 2: Like I haven't heard it yet, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Rollouts is always really fun because it's unexpected. I feel
Speaker 2: like the next few months you really have no idea,
Speaker 2: like what's gonna happen and what's gonna connect, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of just like a bit of a mystery.
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's yeah, absolutely, I mean, obviously you
Speaker 1: have a tour booked, but in terms of like what
Speaker 1: sort of from the album like grabs people's attention, actually,
Speaker 1: you know, it's you really don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have no idea. This is a long album
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Actually this is like an eighteen song record, which is Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was kind of like it longing.
Speaker 1: I was shocked about how long it was. That I mean,
Speaker 1: I love that it was long. It was cool, and
Speaker 1: I ended up like, you know, because it's longer, like
Speaker 1: I started thinking about it in sections, you know, almost
Speaker 1: like I guess, broken up the way like an old
Speaker 1: LP would be. Like it was like a double LP
Speaker 1: flip sides. Like certain certain groups of songs have like
Speaker 1: their own character. It feels like together and.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I now think of them as like a larger piece.
Speaker 2: Literally, parts of the memoir are together, like songs like
Speaker 2: Gateway and Oh My God and Blackout. I feel like
Speaker 2: a kind of inside there they're in like a kind
Speaker 2: of like destructive section of it.
Speaker 3: But I guess, yeah, that's kind.
Speaker 1: Of all the bye though, and then into like OMG,
Speaker 1: like that's kind of its own section. Two.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A Lallabli is a song I haven't listened to in
Speaker 2: a long time actually because I kind of I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's like this line in it about
Speaker 2: taking sleeping pearls and stuff. I don't know, you know
Speaker 2: when you're just like, oh, God, like it's sort of
Speaker 2: like you you wrote it really, just like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: putting exactly how I feel in this one very like
Speaker 2: hazy moment where I've like written everything out and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this isn't like this isn't every night, but this is
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it's yeah, it's one
Speaker 2: of those ones that felt like a really personal kind
Speaker 2: of like etching.
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised that's the that's the lyric that us
Speaker 1: in God, because I mean, I don't know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to me that I mean through your whole I
Speaker 1: mean starting with brutally like way, yes, yeah, not to
Speaker 1: frame it that way more fucked up, but you know
Speaker 1: there are guess as I was listening, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: there's like, you know, you have some really your writing
Speaker 1: is really cool. I mean there's some like really maybe
Speaker 1: it's because you're British, but there's like a bit of
Speaker 1: a acerbic kind of tone to certain certain lines that
Speaker 1: are just like fun. You know, they almost make them
Speaker 1: like hip hop lines in a sense, like they're not
Speaker 1: quite a disk, but they're kind of like a little
Speaker 1: mean in a weird way, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess maybe I am a little mean, you know,
Speaker 2: or a little bit like yeah, a little bit, a
Speaker 2: little bit cutting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a little cutting. I think I think that's
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: You know, or like dad pan or like sometimes yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes like you can say things as sort of like
Speaker 2: I'll use words or whatever, I can do it in
Speaker 2: an interview someone's where I'm like, oh my god, like
Speaker 2: that's been you know, like it comes across as being
Speaker 2: very like different to how you maybe said it with
Speaker 2: your tone. Yes, but yeah, I think actually, yeah, you
Speaker 2: said like British and I think that was something I
Speaker 2: think on my first record, I've I've always been like
Speaker 2: very inspired by like that kind of American Americana, like
Speaker 2: almost like like certain kind of like country folky elements.
Speaker 2: I think that came up quite a lot on the
Speaker 2: first record, and this one, I think I like lean
Speaker 2: into a lot more of the things that I grew
Speaker 2: up with, like a lot more of like kind of
Speaker 2: ramones or like English bands, like a little bit more
Speaker 2: Oasis and you know things. I think I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: songs like Blackout Drunk, I kind of wanted that like Ramonesy,
Speaker 2: bloc party almost like the things that I was listening
Speaker 2: to in two thousand and eight, like stomping Down.
Speaker 3: I was stomping around New York.
Speaker 2: With like these like big hideous like Doc Martin's I
Speaker 2: got on eBay and you know that that kind of
Speaker 2: like that kind of feeling.
Speaker 3: Especially I'm I'm.
Speaker 1: So happy you said them. That's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite. You know, I don't really
Speaker 1: listen to them so much anymore because I just I've
Speaker 1: listened to them so much that I feel like I
Speaker 1: have their entire catalog, like I could recall it at
Speaker 1: any moment, right, But when you say that, like the
Speaker 1: b B Blackout Drunk, it's almost like twenty twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: It's kind of got that kind of upbeat kind of.
Speaker 2: And it's just like such a I really love that
Speaker 2: song actually, because if it came out so just like
Speaker 2: as this as a story and just felt like okay,
Speaker 2: it was it was kind of like taken from a
Speaker 2: little bit of reality of like talking to friends and
Speaker 2: being like, oh god, we hate it and like you know, oh,
Speaker 2: your boyfriend got like way too drunk and it's like annoying,
Speaker 2: you know, and then we took I kind of took
Speaker 2: took it from there and then just made up this
Speaker 2: story of you know, going out and this girl get
Speaker 2: you know, he's gotten too drunk, and he's he's kind
Speaker 2: of like touching all the other girls weirdly and like
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm so pissed and he's falling asleep
Speaker 2: next to me and I can't wait to like wake
Speaker 2: him up and tell him all of the shit that
Speaker 2: he's done wrong.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Like that it was like came out as this very
Speaker 2: like concise story, which kind of doesn't always happen actually
Speaker 2: that much, where you're just you're really enjoying going like
Speaker 2: you know what, Yeah, you're kind of just like playing
Speaker 2: off everything in your head, like, well, would you like
Speaker 2: it if I cheated on you?
Speaker 3: Like how would you like that? Like you'd hate that?
Speaker 2: And it kind of Yeah, it just came out on Monco,
Speaker 2: So that was that was a really fun one.
Speaker 1: What what I mean given that it only came from
Speaker 1: a scrap of like not even necessarily autobiography, but just
Speaker 1: came from like, but it is a very so I'll
Speaker 1: say this, listen to that song, I realized, I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever been that person. I know many people person,
Speaker 1: I know that relationship, relationship that's a very relatable, but
Speaker 1: I've never heard it actually like put in song that way.
Speaker 1: M But what what.
Speaker 2: About Probably plenty of songs about people getting drunk, right
Speaker 2: or like yeah.
Speaker 1: Being a drunk, but like not like just that dynamic
Speaker 1: though of like the boyfriend's probably pretty decent person sober,
Speaker 1: but then goes out and gets way too fucked up,
Speaker 1: probably way too often, right, does some fucked up things
Speaker 1: and then yeah, the sort of the thrill of being
Speaker 1: able to I guess what must be the thriller. Wise,
Speaker 1: I don't know if people say I'm just being able
Speaker 1: to sort of rub it in their noses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like why do.
Speaker 1: You do this?
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I get Yeah.
Speaker 2: Having that be like a kind of a fun thing,
Speaker 2: I guess is when you can take something that's actually
Speaker 2: probably quite difficult in real life and make it sort
Speaker 2: of like celebrate it and empower it and like and
Speaker 2: and make it kind of like an enjoyable thing to
Speaker 2: to sing. Is Yeah, I don't know that one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it's it's a funny one. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: I'd forgotten about that song for a long time. And
Speaker 2: then I actually changed the single. I do it all
Speaker 2: the time, but I changed it to Blackout Drunk.
Speaker 1: Was it supposed to.
Speaker 3: Pretty last minute.
Speaker 2: It was meant to be Gateway, Yeah, which is like
Speaker 2: the first song on the record. But I'd done like
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'd done my fun and I'd done
Speaker 2: faded and then it felt like more it felt like
Speaker 2: kind of in the same like scope of everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know, Yeah, I do that.
Speaker 2: I do that all the time, Like I'll just I'll
Speaker 2: just completely throw it out the window and everyone's like
Speaker 2: I kind of enjoyed and that, you know, when the
Speaker 2: label's got the plan and everything's planning, it's going to
Speaker 2: be gate We're jong the I'm like, no, it's not,
Speaker 2: we're changing the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know, you feeling it in real time exactly. Oh,
Speaker 1: people are really kind of I'm really liking this one now. No,
Speaker 1: I feel as it feels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't feel I didn't feel ready for Gateway,
Speaker 2: even though it's like it is one of my favorite
Speaker 2: songs off the record and I like love it.
Speaker 3: It just yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You just like you kind of get a sense or
Speaker 2: I guess when like or if everyone's like, oh, this
Speaker 2: should be the single, this is the most thing like
Speaker 2: that also gives me like an allergic reaction and like
Speaker 2: change change change, like cause correct, because I just think
Speaker 2: it's Yeah, I don't know, I feel like in music, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just doesn't feel we're not in that.
Speaker 3: That doesn't work. I don't think it works.
Speaker 1: That's just the metrics, the sort of well it doesn't
Speaker 1: it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like just because something sounds like, oh that sounds
Speaker 2: like a single, it's just not where. It's not where
Speaker 2: like culture is at the moment. It's not where like
Speaker 2: you can it's not about just like the most single
Speaker 2: singly song or the one that every in fact, if anything,
Speaker 2: I'm always like, no, it's the opposite, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: No, definitely, Yeah, I don't know what what Faded is
Speaker 1: another one. I actually want to pull up some of
Speaker 1: some of the.
Speaker 3: Some of the lyrics.
Speaker 2: Everyone's been like, what are these lyrics? Like they're all
Speaker 2: over the place.
Speaker 1: You used to call me yogo? Yeah, I made I'm
Speaker 1: gonna joke that all your friends are leaving, yeah or
Speaker 1: all yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like little vin I feel like that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one. That song like really goes back to
Speaker 2: that one, like really goes back to like being like
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen, and like like the kind of the things
Speaker 2: that yeah, like the things that people were saying to
Speaker 2: like kind of the things that it's not. It's not
Speaker 2: I've seen like stuff on the internet being like who's
Speaker 2: it about, and it's like it's so it's it's sort
Speaker 2: of about like a couple of different people from when
Speaker 2: I was like sixteen, So you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like and then there's like you know, there's like
Speaker 2: kind of other things in that too, but it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it takes little like vignettes and it was like this
Speaker 2: very like sweet it feels like this very sweet like
Speaker 2: kind of wave to the to the past, and in
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that that line be the kind of
Speaker 1: man that I could that I could read to, I
Speaker 1: could read to. Yeah, it's just I don't know, that's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing I was like, again, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you meant it like cutting, but it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a bit it's in a good way.
Speaker 1: I think it's like I would it was a bit
Speaker 1: like infantilizing in a positive way, like you know, like
Speaker 1: you're kind of this not the superior in the relationship.
Speaker 1: But again, it just felt like, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: seems like you have these very smart ways of kind
Speaker 1: of putting people or situations in the in a particular
Speaker 1: place that makes you sort of the person that holds
Speaker 1: the power, and it's it's it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's true at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I think on my first record, I probably will.
Speaker 2: I don't think I was feeling like that on my
Speaker 2: first record, I mean first records called I Can't Let Go,
Speaker 2: And like when I listen to it now, like I'm
Speaker 2: so proud of that that work. But it was definitely
Speaker 2: I think also because where I came from on that
Speaker 2: record was like, you know, I'd been putting up music
Speaker 2: by myself, like you know, it was always just like
Speaker 2: most of the songs at the beginning, like Brutally and
Speaker 2: Cause Place in the world, like they didn't weren't even
Speaker 2: recorded to like click or anything. It was so you know,
Speaker 2: so kind of just experimenting and there was nothing that
Speaker 2: there was no you know, there was no team, there
Speaker 2: was no nothing.
Speaker 3: So I got to do that for like a decade.
Speaker 2: So in a way, I feel like not much really changed,
Speaker 2: and in a way like when I kind of started,
Speaker 2: you know, actually made a record, but the first record
Speaker 2: was I kn't of got and I think it was
Speaker 2: I think I felt at that point like I was
Speaker 2: so frightened to cross over and add like to kind
Speaker 2: of change course in a way or say like hey,
Speaker 2: like here here's like an entire record, here's a body
Speaker 2: of work. Like my expectations was so low of what
Speaker 2: what would.
Speaker 3: Happen, you know, when I put put that record out.
Speaker 2: So everything that's happened in the last few years has
Speaker 2: just been like such an insane surprise. But yeah, with this,
Speaker 2: with this record, it's like it's such a jump in
Speaker 2: a way because it's like, yeah, I can't let go
Speaker 2: and now I feel like, oh, I've let go of
Speaker 2: so much and you know what I mean, Like I'm
Speaker 2: so I'm so much freer. I'm so like in what
Speaker 2: I can experiment with in music and with this record,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I feel like I've I've just gotten that.
Speaker 2: I'm like so full of wanting to write and wanting
Speaker 2: to just make as much stuff as possible.
Speaker 1: That's great. What was I mean? Maybe we can go back?
Speaker 1: What was the impetus to begin with with? Like so
Speaker 1: brutally was the first thing you put out?
Speaker 3: That was the first?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like the first song?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah? What was what made you write? What? What
Speaker 1: made you write that? What made you then decide I
Speaker 1: need you know? And how did you record it? Did
Speaker 1: you find a band? Was it? Where did you do it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What's the story on the earlier?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So the first So I have this same producers now
Speaker 2: that I've worked with for like over a decade, Jewels
Speaker 2: upon It and Nat Finley, she is she has a
Speaker 2: project called Finley And I was like such a massive
Speaker 2: fan of Finley, So I went to one of their
Speaker 2: shows and somehow like got backstage and that was how
Speaker 2: I like got in with them. And similar thing with
Speaker 2: my friend Blue, who actually just mixed Memoir of a
Speaker 2: sparklem Off and we did a bunch of stuff together.
Speaker 2: So there's been like a crew that I've really been
Speaker 2: working with for such a long time. But Blue, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was like round. That was round at his house.
Speaker 2: I think it was like probably one of the first
Speaker 2: things that we've done together.
Speaker 1: And you've recorded the album albums at least in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: That was the first one. Yeah, the first record I
Speaker 2: record in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: But the early singles but those weren't like brutally and
Speaker 1: good looking.
Speaker 2: No, well they were just like at my house and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well at my house or in their living room. I
Speaker 2: mean most of the stuff that I do with Jewels
Speaker 2: and Nat we did like good looking, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: my fun Joanna. We've we've worked together for such a
Speaker 2: long time and they've they did a bunch of stuff
Speaker 2: on the new record too. That's like always been literally
Speaker 2: in a living room.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Jewels are such an like they're just yeah, they're
Speaker 2: a couple and they've been they've just been like the
Speaker 2: most unbelievable partners to have for a long time. And
Speaker 2: it's like it's cool, like we're all, you know, we
Speaker 2: made Good Looking like eight nine years ago, and you know,
Speaker 2: just because we were all enjoying each other so much,
Speaker 2: and then it kind of had this it's so weird
Speaker 2: when like with music like then it had a moment.
Speaker 2: It's a kind of it had like a moment where
Speaker 2: it kind of like started doing stuff like such a
Speaker 2: long time afterwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like about eight years.
Speaker 3: Like time afterwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's one of those weird things like when
Speaker 2: I when I made the I Can't Go record and
Speaker 2: had it signed it to subpop, like everyone was trying
Speaker 2: to get me to delete good Looking and delete all
Speaker 2: the old songs and like, oh, let's start afresh, and
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I love those songs.
Speaker 3: But it was such you know, it's like such a
Speaker 3: funny thing like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like the first song that kind of
Speaker 2: ended up like do yeah, doing doing good.
Speaker 1: And it did get I mean it wasn't it kind
Speaker 1: of sort of doing good around the time you put
Speaker 1: out I Can't Let.
Speaker 3: Go, Yeah, and it wasn't so weird, isn't it. It's
Speaker 3: so strange.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't on the but did it lift anything like, Like,
Speaker 1: so I feel like move got really popular as well
Speaker 1: from the first album. Yeah, that was so did Good
Speaker 1: Look did the kind of online for you know, viralness
Speaker 1: of Good Look into that.
Speaker 2: I definitely think it helped. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It
Speaker 2: was very strange that that kind of happened. At the
Speaker 2: same time it was Yeah, again I kind of felt
Speaker 2: like it was this like way from the past coming
Speaker 2: back around.
Speaker 3: But that yeah, that was like a TikTok thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like that's like one of those unexplainable
Speaker 2: things where like, yeah, no one's focused on your old
Speaker 2: stuff that you did eight nine years ago, but TikTok
Speaker 2: is like it just like does its own thing and
Speaker 2: it's no yeah, no rhyme or reason, and you like
Speaker 2: have yeah, you have no idea. You're watching all these
Speaker 2: videos and you're kind of thinking like, oh, this has
Speaker 2: just like come to life and has this other way
Speaker 2: that it's breathing that you never ever would have thought of.
Speaker 3: It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre.
Speaker 2: But yeah, for sure that that I'm sure that I'm
Speaker 2: sure that helped.
Speaker 3: Like bring eyeballs onto onto the music.
Speaker 2: And then I got to release Like I never would
Speaker 2: have thought those old songs would have got to be
Speaker 2: put on vinyl and like get a proper release, But
Speaker 2: we put all of them together and we released it
Speaker 2: on a and and I called it was an EP
Speaker 2: called Milk Teeth, So I released that right after.
Speaker 1: And was that on subpart to the or did you
Speaker 1: do that yourself?
Speaker 2: Okay? That was yeah, So those songs were I had
Speaker 2: all of them by myself and then and then I
Speaker 2: signed them to and we released them on a on
Speaker 2: a vinyl note that kind and they got to have
Speaker 2: this like moment. Yeah, they got to kind of you know, it's.
Speaker 1: A cool from them like delete them, ye.
Speaker 3: German, but you kind of yeah, it was one.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know exactly smart that you listen to
Speaker 1: your instinct on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you never know. But that's always like that's
Speaker 2: always the coore thing. It's like, yeah, that's what I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I get to have it on a
Speaker 2: vinyl and get get to have it in record stores
Speaker 2: like that's always that's like the dream.
Speaker 3: That's always like the best thing ever.
Speaker 1: So the group you're saying you were a fan of
Speaker 1: it was Finley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Finley is Natalie and she yeah, Juels used
Speaker 2: to play with her too, and and I was a
Speaker 2: big fan of them. I remember it was kind of Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was around the time that like Jake Bug was around.
Speaker 2: I think I think I'd been to like one of
Speaker 2: his shows that same week and we met. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: just met each other backstage and and I literally had
Speaker 2: done as you know, i'd done, like I kind of
Speaker 2: I was always like finding people to work with, even
Speaker 2: though I had like sort of no sort of like
Speaker 2: music industry connections in a way, but that you know,
Speaker 2: you just find, you just find people to work with.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember we have we have like video
Speaker 2: footage of it where like little babies, like eighteen year
Speaker 2: old babies and that. Yeah, we started, Yeah, we started
Speaker 2: making those songs. And we would go on like little
Speaker 2: trips and go and stay at his mom's house and
Speaker 2: in Brittany and France, and and yes, it's been this
Speaker 2: like really long, like collaborative, fruitful experience.
Speaker 1: So you had some of the songs already when you
Speaker 1: went backstage and met them, you had some of the No.
Speaker 2: I don't think I had any of the ones that
Speaker 2: we we put out, No, we.
Speaker 3: Like I know, I know which song.
Speaker 1: I know we had some stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 2: I'd I definitely like made music before, but we we
Speaker 2: kind of like went in there with a lot of
Speaker 2: like like Jules has such you know, the production on
Speaker 2: good Looking and Joanna and Oh my God and my
Speaker 2: fun he has such a he just I don't know,
Speaker 2: I feel like he has something that no one else does,
Speaker 2: like both of them together, I really I think there's
Speaker 2: that that whole kind of like that it's it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's otherworldly what I think they're able to do.
Speaker 2: And we yeah, we've just like had this really special relationship.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this break with more from
Speaker 1: Suki Waterhouse. We're back with Suki Waterhouse. Before you started
Speaker 1: writing songs or what was your like, what was like
Speaker 1: were you what was your relationship with music? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean you were at the time, you had a job,
Speaker 1: you were a model, you know, and you were acting.
Speaker 1: I think also by that point well into acting, so what.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe not when I was like that age.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think I think I started making music probably, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was, I was modeling and stuff. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: started making music kind of a long time before. I
Speaker 2: guess like I was, I was a model, but I
Speaker 2: was like not like a very successful model.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I really wasn't that really No. I
Speaker 3: was like like you.
Speaker 2: Know with my age to z go into like thirty
Speaker 2: castings a day and like you know, probably crying in
Speaker 2: like in a toilet most days. It wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 2: like a particular you know, it was very It was
Speaker 2: like very much at the beginning. So yeah, that was
Speaker 2: that was like always the yeah, writing and making music.
Speaker 2: It was like I wanted, Yeah, I really like wanted
Speaker 2: I wanted that life, but and I wanted to be
Speaker 2: in music always first actually, but I don't know. Sometimes
Speaker 2: like life kind of like takes you in different directions
Speaker 2: and like that and in and in so many ways,
Speaker 2: in fact, in every way, like I'm I'm I'm so
Speaker 2: grateful that it almost that it did take so long,
Speaker 2: and that it got so long, so much time to
Speaker 2: just work on it and discover what I like and
Speaker 2: and like mess up a bunch of times and do
Speaker 2: like hundreds of sessions of you know, like not like no, no,
Speaker 2: like kind of it's it's all about like taste and
Speaker 2: finding out what you do and don't like and becoming
Speaker 2: very particular about it. Like that is what it is
Speaker 2: essentially like building your artists world.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't if I was like if I had just
Speaker 2: been having to like make record ten and put everything
Speaker 2: out out, then yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take it back for anything.
Speaker 2: And also it's like so much my music is about
Speaker 2: my life, and you know, I like got to kind
Speaker 2: of like be on that girl roller coaster of my
Speaker 2: twenties and like have like insane experiences and be crazy,
Speaker 2: and that is how I have like material. I feel
Speaker 2: like I probably did enough of my twenties to like
Speaker 2: sustain the material for like a while, because now it's
Speaker 2: like so much like it's so much like not as a.
Speaker 1: Crazy it's a little different now.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah I understand that.
Speaker 2: I mean it's still you know, it's still it's never
Speaker 2: gonna It's not like just having a kid makes everything.
Speaker 2: Oh like you know, it's not like that at all.
Speaker 2: You actually have a lot, you know, like like life
Speaker 2: goes on in this.
Speaker 1: Ya, but it feels less. I don't know.
Speaker 3: For some reason as insane.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a little mundane. It's crazier in a weird way.
Speaker 3: But it's to have two kids.
Speaker 1: You two girls. Yeah, they just third grade in kindergarten.
Speaker 2: Ring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most it's a cool thing.
Speaker 1: It's wild.
Speaker 2: I love like just being a parent now and just
Speaker 2: that connection you have to other parents, like you know
Speaker 2: you just like I was backstage at a show that
Speaker 2: I was just doing in London, and I'm just like
Speaker 2: kind of walking and talking with one of the guys backstage,
Speaker 2: and he's pulling out pictures and being like.
Speaker 3: Look at this video. Look how smart she is, like loo,
Speaker 3: and You're like, well, look at this one. Look at
Speaker 3: what she's doing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like that excitement that you that it feels like
Speaker 2: unlocking a key to this like little secret like love club.
Speaker 1: No, it is, and it's funny. As long as you're there,
Speaker 1: it feels great. But you know, then sometimes I go
Speaker 1: out into the world and I kind of always think
Speaker 1: about this Anthony board. I don't know the exact quote,
Speaker 1: but as we had in an interview that Anthony Bourdain
Speaker 1: did obviously a while ago, and he was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, once you're like a dad, like you know,
Speaker 1: you try to break out like the Ramon shirt and
Speaker 1: then get it, go out and be in the mix,
Speaker 1: but after about like thirty minutes, you're like, I gotta
Speaker 1: throw this shit away, okay, like and I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I still feel quite like I don't know, I
Speaker 2: feel like myself, and I'm actually surprised by like how I.
Speaker 1: Don't know any tips. Then I need I need advice on.
Speaker 3: It, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't, But then I guess, like it's not
Speaker 2: like I guess before as well. I certainly like haven't
Speaker 2: been wanting to go and be like doing crazy stuff,
Speaker 2: but like you know what I mean, yeah exactly, So
Speaker 2: it's not like it's been this like hugely drastic thing.
Speaker 2: And it's also like the best excuse ever for like
Speaker 2: streamlining your life a little bit, not like running around
Speaker 2: as much like being quite intentional. Yeah, it kind of
Speaker 2: helps you have that bedrock because you can't you can't,
Speaker 2: like you know, I can't just like take off and
Speaker 2: go everywhere and do it. So it's I have to
Speaker 2: be like much more intentional, which I think actually is
Speaker 2: something that is like not only good for me. And
Speaker 2: I have this like grounding this thing that keeps me
Speaker 2: very like grounded now, but it also keeps me like
Speaker 2: grounded to place more, which is something that after a
Speaker 2: long time of moving so much, I'm actually really happy for.
Speaker 1: So how do you how are you going to work
Speaker 1: a week?
Speaker 3: Basically, she's going with me?
Speaker 1: And how old is she?
Speaker 3: No, she's almost six months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's kind of probably the best time, not
Speaker 2: because like before, she's going to just be figuring out
Speaker 2: in a couple of months how to like crawl and
Speaker 2: and walk.
Speaker 3: But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'm like just throwing myself into being like, you know,
Speaker 2: she's got to come with me, so you just well,
Speaker 2: you know, a bus will be fun for her. I
Speaker 2: think there'll be so many people around, like she'll she's
Speaker 2: quite you know, she's social. She's like wants to be
Speaker 2: looking at everything and having fun. I'm going to be saying,
Speaker 2: just ask me in a few months and we're going
Speaker 2: to be like.
Speaker 1: Pretty fun experience for the baby and they don't really
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Everything's new and different exactly, you know, stimulating.
Speaker 3: It will be stimulating exactly.
Speaker 2: She's not going to be She's not you know, it's yeah,
Speaker 2: she just came to London with me on her first
Speaker 2: that was like a first like long flight and she.
Speaker 1: She was born here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was born here.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about does that? Does that feel?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about bridge?
Speaker 2: She has like a little American passible now, which is
Speaker 2: pretty cool. It's just really strange actually to see I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you like you were born in la Wow.
Speaker 2: But it was it was very special to bring her
Speaker 2: back actually and kind of go for it. I went
Speaker 2: early and had, you know, all the family. We went
Speaker 2: to the countryside, she went, saw the Tower of London,
Speaker 2: like I just like, yeah, we went everywhere and it
Speaker 2: was beautiful. Yeah, to have all the family, it is,
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I did like pull up my heartstrings a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, being like, oh, everyone's there's so many people
Speaker 2: in England or London that like love her and are
Speaker 2: obsessed with her and like so much family. So it
Speaker 2: makes Yeah, it makes you think you're like.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, where do you want to be?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But that's the thing is like you can't I
Speaker 2: think the I can't plan. You can't really like plan,
Speaker 2: Like both me and my partner we can't. We can't
Speaker 2: really plan that much. But there might you know, there'll
Speaker 2: be like nice stretches of time when maybe like a
Speaker 2: movie will be shot there or something, or you kind
Speaker 2: of you plan as much as you can to be home,
Speaker 2: but there's an element of there is an element of like,
Speaker 2: we don't really know what things look like all the time,
Speaker 2: and things change, so you kind of you kind of
Speaker 2: got to be pretty go with the flow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's I mean, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: wild until.
Speaker 2: Like school starts, and then that will be a different thing, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's I feel like you get a couple of years.
Speaker 3: At the beginning where maybe yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Where you can move them around a little bit more
Speaker 2: and then and then yeah, the in the future, it
Speaker 2: won't it won't be like that.
Speaker 1: Are you playing Are you playing your daughter music?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm playing her a lot of music. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like disco. She's into Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker 3: She likes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I play her like Leila by Eric Clapton because
Speaker 2: my mum used to play that for me a lot.
Speaker 2: And then I'm and then I'm doing like Baby Motz
Speaker 2: and stuff because I'm just like trying.
Speaker 3: To you know, You're like you're you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: if you listen to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which probably will be exactly. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we try.
Speaker 2: And then like playing piano actually like my, yeah, my,
Speaker 2: like we both play piano, so we kind of like
Speaker 2: that's actually really sweet to see to see her watch that.
Speaker 2: I'm upset. I'm like, she has to one thing I'm
Speaker 2: like going to be crazy about. I really want her
Speaker 2: to be able to play guitar and piano, and like,
Speaker 2: have you do your kids play instruments?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've gone through periods of pushing them to
Speaker 1: not pushing them, but being you know, like like what's
Speaker 1: probably good.
Speaker 3: Discipline, Come on, you need to play piano.
Speaker 1: And then and then but the times when like I
Speaker 1: pull them ato lessons and I don't, I don't talk
Speaker 1: about it much. Then I noticed, like, oh, I put
Speaker 1: my head on the corner. She's playing guitar or she's
Speaker 1: playing like that's cool. You know.
Speaker 3: So you probably can't exactly, you can't even force it.
Speaker 1: You just got to play the music. You got to
Speaker 1: play a lot of music, so you get a lot
Speaker 1: of exposure and build their tastes in the palette and
Speaker 1: then and then hope for the best.
Speaker 2: That's the best thing. Yeah, I feel like my parents
Speaker 2: didn't actually do that for me too much. We got
Speaker 2: like Tracy Chapman, and my dad was very into like
Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen, but like I think there were four of
Speaker 2: us and my mom would just be like like the
Speaker 2: noise of just all of us at a certain point,
Speaker 2: like they weren't like super educational, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: in a weird way. That also made me really hungry
Speaker 2: to go and find find out about music.
Speaker 1: And I kind of you're sibling similar, do they have
Speaker 1: those similar?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my sister's actually, my sister's really good at He
Speaker 2: was kind of sim I kind of like we all
Speaker 2: like pass it around, and I guess I passed it
Speaker 2: down quite a lot. But I was like that was
Speaker 2: like my religion as finding out about everything when I
Speaker 2: was a teenager and you know, yeah, London when you're
Speaker 2: eighteen and kind of it was incredible, like I remember, yeah,
Speaker 2: just like getting out into night life and that was
Speaker 2: like a time where you could go to a bar
Speaker 2: and Camden and like the Baby Shambles will be around,
Speaker 2: an Amy Winehouse would be walking around and I'd be
Speaker 2: like a you know, teenager in London and.
Speaker 3: Taking all of that in.
Speaker 2: It's like there there were so many good like rock
Speaker 2: band shows happening that was like great, it was a
Speaker 2: great time for like indie music.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there was that I kind of yeah, I
Speaker 2: had like I had the whole of London at my
Speaker 2: fingertips to kind of soak into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from eighteen to sort of now through the making
Speaker 1: of the new album. How is your taste sort of
Speaker 1: changed evolved over over that course of time, if you can,
Speaker 1: If you can, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, there's not I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have like a pretty wide range of things that
Speaker 2: I love, Like you know, like there's it's I think,
Speaker 2: I think, I think it's like different to what I mean,
Speaker 2: there's always like things in your head as well, right,
Speaker 2: it's I get the I think when I first when
Speaker 2: I put my first record out, I was I think,
Speaker 2: like the what I wanted to make at the beginning
Speaker 2: especially was like I think I was really struck by
Speaker 2: lou Duian.
Speaker 3: You know who she is.
Speaker 2: She's Jane Berkan's daughter, and she she made this record
Speaker 2: and I guess like maybe I resonated with it. She'd
Speaker 2: been an actress and and fashion and all this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, and like I felt this like I guess
Speaker 2: like that was someone I looked at and I went like, oh,
Speaker 2: you've made like this amazing record and there was a
Speaker 2: song called I See You and that that kind of
Speaker 2: music like I wanted to I don't know, I like
Speaker 2: when I was, you know, I felt, yeah, I felt
Speaker 2: like I wanted to make music like Marry and Faithful
Speaker 2: and like cat Power and Velvet Underground and like that
Speaker 2: was you know, that was and I and I guess
Speaker 2: I really didn't. I was like, oh, I know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to sound like I think if i'd like
Speaker 2: come out with something like really like you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't want anything like pop or and you know, nothing
Speaker 2: like that. And you know when you go into a studio,
Speaker 2: I want like real instruments and like and like brutally
Speaker 2: it's like I wanted to do. I wanted to literally
Speaker 2: just be in a room with the like with candles
Speaker 2: on and not do something to click and and just
Speaker 2: have something that was like very much like a feeling
Speaker 2: and not have Yeah, I think I was like kind
Speaker 2: of allergic to like things feeling feeling like produced and
Speaker 2: production like that. But now I'm not. Now I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, more.
Speaker 3: Up into it.
Speaker 2: But it was also where I was in my head
Speaker 2: where I was like, I can't, I don't. It wouldn't
Speaker 2: it wouldn't feel right to like come out of the
Speaker 2: gate having come from like these different industries as well,
Speaker 2: to suddenly.
Speaker 3: Be like I'm a pop star.
Speaker 2: Like that was like my like I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that would just never, that wouldn't work and it's not
Speaker 2: it would like never be aligned with what I liked.
Speaker 3: But it was also my.
Speaker 2: Tastes and what I really liked and everything, and you know,
Speaker 2: everything was quite like I guess yeah at that point,
Speaker 2: like and I was I'm was more new to songwriting,
Speaker 2: I guess, but like that everything was everything's quite like
Speaker 2: I don't know. I listened to it now and I'm like,
Speaker 2: but it was also my headspace. That's like everything's quite
Speaker 2: like there's like a dreariness to things, and I never
Speaker 2: wanted to like jump up or go big on something.
Speaker 2: It was like all like just like gott to be
Speaker 2: very like you know, like and I get and I
Speaker 2: get and that It's all about what your head space
Speaker 2: is in when you're making a record, right, like what
Speaker 2: you think you're like, what you allow where you like
Speaker 2: allow yourself to go and like where you are.
Speaker 1: Always want to put on Knocking on Heaven's Door. After
Speaker 1: just had that kind of open serial.
Speaker 2: I was with Brad Cook and I was like really
Speaker 2: obsessed with Brad Cook and he'd produced for Waxahatchie and
Speaker 2: there was a song there was a song called His
Speaker 2: Golden Messenger, I Buy his Golden Messenger called Cat's Eized Blue,
Speaker 2: and like that was like one of the times where
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that that song will fit this
Speaker 2: this that kind of like connects to this world. And
Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, he'll never He'll never want
Speaker 2: to like work with me or like he's he does
Speaker 2: what I just I didn't have anything going with me.
Speaker 2: I had no label, nothing like and it's like he's
Speaker 2: would be like who are you? And luckily we had
Speaker 2: one friend in common, Dave Sitek from TV on the radio,
Speaker 2: who had been like working with for years and he's
Speaker 2: been like a buddy of.
Speaker 1: Have you made musical with Dave?
Speaker 3: Yeah, me and I know we've never released any of it.
Speaker 2: No. Me and Dave were like went to Texas one
Speaker 2: to like Reno one year and and made like you know,
Speaker 2: just like had made like bonfires and like hung out
Speaker 2: for like two weeks and and we just like talked
Speaker 2: so much and made so much music. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: I've not yeah known him for years and and Brad
Speaker 2: had produced one of his Neverly Boys albums. So so yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of I think like I got I got
Speaker 2: Dave to you know, say, like, oh, she's she's like
Speaker 2: okay or whatever, she's like not she should you should work.
Speaker 3: You should do it with her. It will be cool.
Speaker 1: He gave you the stamp of a product.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we did and we did a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. We did like some production together as
Speaker 2: well at justin Vernham Studio in Wisconsin for this Reforto.
Speaker 3: Which was pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is he around?
Speaker 3: No, he wasn't around.
Speaker 2: Now. We were actually meant to a session but he
Speaker 2: he canceled on me.
Speaker 3: So he was busy, he was sick. But we Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would love to work with him.
Speaker 1: Wow. So what So how much how many songs did
Speaker 1: you have you made with Dave?
Speaker 3: We have a Yeah, we have a bunch. I don't
Speaker 3: know why.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we haven't like managed to finish
Speaker 2: them actually or like we just I don't know, we've
Speaker 2: kind of like gone out. But he was sort of
Speaker 2: my gateway into I don't know, just like but Dave's
Speaker 2: like done.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's done so many cool things.
Speaker 2: He's like you know the yeah, yeah, yeahs. He did
Speaker 2: a lot of that early stuff. So like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: would always go around to his house and and and
Speaker 2: like sit with him, and he's he has like it's
Speaker 2: really like perspective, and you know.
Speaker 3: He's he's been through. He's been through it. He's been
Speaker 3: through like the music industry.
Speaker 2: He's he kind of he has a great like bullshit
Speaker 2: what's called barometer. Yeah, and and yeah, he like taught
Speaker 2: me a lot actually and kind of like invested a
Speaker 2: lot of time in me. But I think I met
Speaker 2: him from a cold email. I would just cold email people.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's really.
Speaker 3: Good, that's like, yeah, I did. And then I did that.
Speaker 2: Also, there was a bunch of stuff like that before,
Speaker 2: you know, before I had like a team or anything.
Speaker 2: I called emailed Belle and Sebastian and I went and
Speaker 2: made a song with them, which I put out recently,
Speaker 2: because once I got like a manager and team and
Speaker 2: I sounded kind of like like a year in I
Speaker 2: was like, oh and I have the song with Bell
Speaker 2: and Sebastian. They were like what, like, what do you mean,
Speaker 2: like you have.
Speaker 3: A song with them? Like yeah, yeah, like went over there.
Speaker 2: Once and we hung out for a weekend and made
Speaker 2: the song. So I ended up putting that song out
Speaker 2: called every Day's a Lesson in Humility. But that was
Speaker 2: like such a that was a song that we'd recorded
Speaker 2: like such a long time ago. It's funny, Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: That was like, yeah, I guess I was like trying.
Speaker 2: I guess I was always trying to you know, that's
Speaker 2: just what you do. You're trying to just get in
Speaker 2: the room and be with people that are inspiring and yeah,
Speaker 2: because you just never know what's going to happen, of.
Speaker 1: Course, no, especially with people, especially those you know, those
Speaker 1: people those that's pretty yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah you want to like yeah yeah yeah, and things
Speaker 2: can Yeah. You just you're just it's like building a
Speaker 2: tap stream and and finding those people that yeah, because
Speaker 2: like you're nothing, you're you're you know, you're really nothing
Speaker 2: without like that like the yeah, the amazing collaborators that
Speaker 2: you have and the people that you that you want
Speaker 2: to like, you know that you that you want to
Speaker 2: hang out with for like weeks on end and ably
Speaker 2: and have like a and try and like make something
Speaker 2: together that you guys are super proud of.
Speaker 1: After this last break, we'll be back with the rest
Speaker 1: of my conversation with Suki Waterhouse. Here's the rest of
Speaker 1: my conversation with Suki Waterhouse. Do you know I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. Do you know if you've
Speaker 1: been on the radio? Is getting back together?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Actually, no, they are, Yeah, probably I
Speaker 3: think so. Maybe I don't know. I don't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: were getting back together? Right?
Speaker 1: Are you going to go see them?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I have to.
Speaker 2: I might. I just did a cover of Fairs the
Speaker 2: other day at All Point Season in London.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you do?
Speaker 3: I did Don't Look Back and Anger, which was so fun.
Speaker 3: It was so fun.
Speaker 2: But like the crowd in London just like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's just like amazing how everybody, especially in England, it
Speaker 2: just it just like does something to people where that
Speaker 2: everyone's just their music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2: I like, I feel like it's going to be just
Speaker 2: like the best. It's going to be like us kind
Speaker 2: of winning like a huge football game or something.
Speaker 1: Winning a World Cup or something. Maybe not quite that.
Speaker 2: Long, not quite the level, but I think it's going
Speaker 2: to really do a lot for like making everyone really
Speaker 2: happy and like uniting the country, and it's going to
Speaker 2: be I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Yes you are.
Speaker 1: Also you were that that festival was a few days
Speaker 1: after you open for Taylor Swift Too, right in Wembley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was on the Saturday and then an All
Speaker 2: Point Seas was on the Sunday.
Speaker 3: So that was like really fun weekend.
Speaker 1: What a wild weekend.
Speaker 3: It was so good.
Speaker 1: What a crazy plane Wembley would just like that's that's insane.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably you know, people always talk about
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden and there's different venues, but I don't
Speaker 1: know just I think that's because a queen. There's some
Speaker 1: great like Cross of Stills and Nash stuff those. I mean,
Speaker 1: just Wembley to me just feels like insane.
Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy. Yeah, it was insane.
Speaker 1: And it's Taylor Swift too on top of it.
Speaker 3: And like I've been to Wembley.
Speaker 2: I think I think it was like twenty seventeen or something,
Speaker 2: but I went to go and see a reputation there
Speaker 2: like a couple of years ago, and it was just
Speaker 2: like shaking my ass, like ah, you know, with my
Speaker 2: sisters and my friends, and I just yeah, you just
Speaker 2: couldn't have told me that that was ever going to happen, Like,
Speaker 2: I just it's just like what, it's nuts. And they
Speaker 2: have these like sliding doors and you walk out there
Speaker 2: and I kind of just you know, it's very strange
Speaker 2: to like the most amount of people I've probably ever
Speaker 2: played to is like maybe like Lolapalooza in Chile and Argentina,
Speaker 2: like maybe like maybe like ten thousand or something, and
Speaker 2: then you're in a stadium that's like got like about yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's like ninety two thousand or something, and.
Speaker 3: There's yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 2: The best thing about that was also just yeah, not
Speaker 2: only I mean like it's like going to one of
Speaker 2: your favorite shows ever.
Speaker 3: Like I've been to the Ariostool before. It's like such
Speaker 3: a fun night.
Speaker 1: So did you go to the other one blee shows
Speaker 1: like earlier years?
Speaker 2: I went to UH, I went to New York. I
Speaker 2: went to New York last year and it was so fun,
Speaker 2: Like it's so it's insane. And then also just getting
Speaker 2: to do that like with my family as well, Like
Speaker 2: my dad had kept being like because it hadn't announced
Speaker 2: for ages and I told him about it and he
Speaker 2: was like, I guess it's not happening. Then I guess,
Speaker 2: I guess it's I guess didn't have your right.
Speaker 3: It's sorry for you. And I'm like, no doubt it
Speaker 3: is happening.
Speaker 2: Like you know, they don't believe anything until it's like
Speaker 2: in until like their friends can see it or whatever,
Speaker 2: and like in like the press and I'm like the dad,
Speaker 2: I swear Something's like not yeah, what that would have
Speaker 2: been fun. I'm like, no, no, no, We're going to go
Speaker 2: to Wembley like it's it is.
Speaker 3: It is a thing.
Speaker 2: And then he was just kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was like he couldn't he couldn't believe it. So
Speaker 2: like doing that thing, having that moment in your hometown
Speaker 2: with your family, with all your friends around, was like
Speaker 2: one of the coolest days of my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really wild. That is really it's really wild.
Speaker 1: Fun Wan circle back quick. You mentioned that you played
Speaker 1: piano and your partner played piano. Did you learn how
Speaker 1: to play piano through Daisy Jones?
Speaker 2: In this I mean, I like played a little bit before,
Speaker 2: but there's nothing like learning. Yes, being and like having
Speaker 2: a teacher for three hours a day and like actually,
Speaker 2: you know, really getting into it and doing like all
Speaker 2: the crazy shit that we had to.
Speaker 3: Do, which is what you had for We learned, like.
Speaker 2: You know, we learned like so many songs, and there
Speaker 2: was like a Beethoven thing at some point that they
Speaker 2: were like this is going to be You're going to
Speaker 2: be filmed doing like this big like piano moment, and
Speaker 2: I learned it for literally, I'm not joking, like yeah,
Speaker 2: like every day obsessively, obsessively obsessively and then they're like,
Speaker 2: oh no, we're actually not going to do that. So
Speaker 2: but it was like amazing because I got you know,
Speaker 2: I got to like do that and it was and
Speaker 2: also that like year coming up to that we had
Speaker 2: before that was COVID and everything.
Speaker 3: It was like, thank god.
Speaker 2: It was like the best thing ever to literally just
Speaker 2: do zoom practice.
Speaker 3: For like three hours a day.
Speaker 2: I was like obsessed and it was so great for
Speaker 2: me and writing as well to get so much better
Speaker 2: at it. Yeah, but yeah, I'm always like yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: always doing I'm still and now I'm like doing it
Speaker 2: all the time. I still have piano lessons and it's
Speaker 2: just good. It's just like the best thing ever to
Speaker 2: make you. It makes you. It's just like so therapeutic
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, do you do you primarily write on piano or
Speaker 1: guitar or do you not on an instrument? How are you?
Speaker 2: I probably right on usually I'm always right. I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like start going on guitar and like I'm okay
Speaker 2: at guitar, Like I can get through. But you don't, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't actually like I'll do piano or guitar. But
Speaker 2: I never like I never think you need you don't
Speaker 2: actually need to be like prolific in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: It's kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like some I think it's more it's like more
Speaker 2: the practice of just going with like going and actually
Speaker 2: sitting and like forcing yourself and being like you're not
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to leave, and you've got to like
Speaker 2: you've got to actually be present. And that's the way
Speaker 2: that I find out like what's truly on my mind?
Speaker 3: Because I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's very it's very easy to It's yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: a practice doing that because it's very easy to like
Speaker 2: not even know what you're feeling or what you're you know,
Speaker 2: when your life is just like going, is.
Speaker 1: It an outlet? For you, like, do you do that
Speaker 1: in other words, do you do that as a way
Speaker 1: of to just sort of decompress or is it with
Speaker 1: the purpose of, like I want to write an album
Speaker 1: or write some songs and see what comes out.
Speaker 2: Or no, because I don't think I'm ever like like
Speaker 2: i've I'm like, you know, in a way, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't really work where I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: write an album, so I'm going to go and you know,
Speaker 2: I've got two months to make a record and that's
Speaker 2: where I'm going to write all the songs.
Speaker 3: So that sounds like absolute hell to me.
Speaker 2: It's like not what I would whatever want to be doing.
Speaker 2: I want to be like hit by something and be
Speaker 2: sparked by it and then go and write the song.
Speaker 2: And then if I like that, if that song is
Speaker 2: still coming back to me and it's still and I
Speaker 2: haven't like you know, if it's if it makes it
Speaker 2: at the end and I still am in love with it,
Speaker 2: then it you know, it's like you can, yeah, it
Speaker 2: has to like stay in my heart, I guess for
Speaker 2: a long time, but yeah I can't. I kind of
Speaker 2: am always in that writing mode in a way because yeah,
Speaker 2: not that I have like a song that I want
Speaker 2: to write about every day, like at all.
Speaker 1: But but you force yourself to sort of sit down
Speaker 1: quietly and yeah, work out some stuff and maybe someone
Speaker 1: comes out or not.
Speaker 3: It sounds like right, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Some dedicated songwriting time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like that frustrating thing because you might
Speaker 2: you might also sit there and absolutely nothing comes out,
Speaker 2: and that's like, you know, it's like so you also
Speaker 2: can't be like have something come out. Like it's kind
Speaker 2: of it's just like about yeah, I guess it's like
Speaker 2: about trying to like shut off even whatever the hell
Speaker 2: you can distract yourself with. And I will fight with
Speaker 2: myself like it's you know, it's yeah, it's difficult to
Speaker 2: and a lot of the times it's like a yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like a moment or it's like a conversation about
Speaker 2: someone getting drunk or like did it. It's like a
Speaker 2: thing and I've got like okay, and now I've got
Speaker 2: to go and I want to go and write it
Speaker 2: and and get that out now because I'll like forget
Speaker 2: about it or I won't.
Speaker 3: It won't feel it feels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like these little moments where something I
Speaker 2: get like get like super sparked by by whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I think, yeah, I think I'm
Speaker 2: I'm quite like I'm definitely an artist that will go
Speaker 2: and look for things in all kinds of places.
Speaker 3: Like it's yeah.
Speaker 2: It's it's that there's like so much and it and
Speaker 2: it also is like such a joy because if and
Speaker 2: it's always like bled in you know, it's always bled
Speaker 2: from fashion and film as well, and it and like
Speaker 2: and from like my own personal life very much so.
Speaker 2: But like it kind of all feels like very open
Speaker 2: and open to you know that it could that kind
Speaker 2: of something might come from from anywhere in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your videos are cool too. I actually really like you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can't I can't wait for you to
Speaker 2: watch the new video I just made for Do you
Speaker 2: listen to that song model actress whatever?
Speaker 1: I was going to bring that up for it.
Speaker 2: I'm never been more excited about a video in my life.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's just like completely different from
Speaker 2: what I've ever done. It's really like taking the piss
Speaker 2: out of myself and in like a kind of very
Speaker 2: empowering way. But it's like genuinely really funny and I
Speaker 2: don't know, I've never done something that's like funny and
Speaker 2: it's got script in it, and like there's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's like so much personality that comes
Speaker 2: out in it and kind of the yeah that I
Speaker 2: just quite got to put so much of myself into it.
Speaker 2: I really can't wait for you to see that one.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so like fashion what I was saying, it's
Speaker 2: like so much you know, there's so much that that
Speaker 2: I can pull from and bring into like creating like
Speaker 2: a world around the music, which is really like the
Speaker 2: most you know, like yeah, you want, you want the
Speaker 2: music to be awesome, but there's so much else around
Speaker 2: that little three minute song yeah that you're you know,
Speaker 2: that you're putting into making, yeah, making it an experience
Speaker 2: for people.
Speaker 1: It's cool the ye all these I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: like you've kind of I mean, I guess you just
Speaker 1: you said you're taking like kind of like the piss
Speaker 1: out of you. First of all, when I.
Speaker 3: First take myself exactly.
Speaker 1: When I first heard your I think I didn't get
Speaker 1: hip to you till your first album and I heard
Speaker 1: Move and I was kind of done it, like I
Speaker 1: was the Susie Quadro line. I was like, I'm inn
Speaker 1: like this is like it was, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: That line was something that like I always have like
Speaker 2: little lines and all things you know that you write
Speaker 2: down on something, oh, something someone said to me, And
Speaker 2: that line was like I was backstage at a white
Speaker 2: stripe show like years.
Speaker 3: And years and years before and years ago there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I was, and I was wearing like
Speaker 2: some like leather thing and I was quite young, and
Speaker 2: Jack White like walked back, like walked past me and
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you look like Susie Quatro and that,
Speaker 2: and that was like I didn't know who Susie Quatro was,
Speaker 2: but I was like, I was like, who's that? And
Speaker 2: I like went home and got really into her music,
Speaker 2: and I was like, and you know, I wrote down
Speaker 2: like dear Harry.
Speaker 3: Like like Jack White said that I like Susie Quatrix.
Speaker 2: So I ended up like putting that in a song
Speaker 2: that was kind of about like a totally different thing
Speaker 2: about like a certain night that had with somebody who
Speaker 2: who didn't say that I looked like Susiequadron, but I
Speaker 2: had that line in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So sorry. That was a sidebar No, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Jack White told me I look like Malcolm Glad very different.
Speaker 1: Jack White stories Susie Quadron, I love Malcai's a friend,
Speaker 1: but Jesus Christ, Suzi Quadrill is cool as hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was cool.
Speaker 1: That's that's it's incredible that came from from from him,
Speaker 1: from a from a Detroit No, the Detroit legend. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in. I was in at that. So I
Speaker 1: remember hearing that, heard that line, that's fucking incredible. I
Speaker 1: heard the rest of songs, songs amazing, heard the album,
Speaker 1: loved that album, and then I was like, looked at Hi.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I didn't. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: you were a model and an actress. But it's incredible
Speaker 1: that you have all these different sort of areas to play,
Speaker 1: being able to go do Daisy Joneson's six or whatever
Speaker 1: comes next in terms of your acting, and then go
Speaker 1: do an album. It's like if something ever gets frustrated
Speaker 1: and isn't fun anymore, you can kind of go focus
Speaker 1: on the other thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really I'm really lucky to have had that experience,
Speaker 2: especially like I mean, it's it felt like that to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, like who knows what the next
Speaker 2: few years will be like. And it was very unique
Speaker 2: the last couple of years to do to get to
Speaker 2: do such an amazing show, and then you know, when
Speaker 2: I even signed on to that show, I hadn't even
Speaker 2: made a.
Speaker 3: Record, so it was no, what did you sign on
Speaker 3: like January twenty twenty, Wow?
Speaker 1: Uh no, But.
Speaker 2: Before that and then and then we went to rehearsals,
Speaker 2: then everything closed down. Then we had to push for
Speaker 2: a year and made very record in between. Then when
Speaker 2: the world shut down, then we went back shot it.
Speaker 2: And the day Daisy Jones finished was when my record
Speaker 2: came out. And then we'd been acting going on tour,
Speaker 2: and then I went on tour. So it was a
Speaker 2: very unique, strange like that was like a very unique
Speaker 2: situation where like, oh, it's been like I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: when I look at like, oh, being able to act
Speaker 2: and do music and do that that I really think
Speaker 2: like the lost yeah, the last two it's a unique situation.
Speaker 2: And it was like it wasn't like very sustainable, Like
Speaker 2: I was waking up at like four in the morning
Speaker 2: doing interviews for the album.
Speaker 3: Release, like it was like incredibly hactic.
Speaker 2: It probably wouldn't like something that like that I don't
Speaker 2: think would work now, like especially now I have like
Speaker 2: a kid, Yeah, exactly. So it was very it was
Speaker 2: like a very unique kind of set of events and
Speaker 2: like and also like and kind of finally having that
Speaker 2: moment where I could where I could kind of where
Speaker 2: I yeah got it together to even like put a
Speaker 2: record out and like push myself in that way because
Speaker 2: I was yeah, I was like scared. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really like a hell back for a long
Speaker 2: time because of like, yeah, I guess like a lot
Speaker 2: of like fear of and it's just timing.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes just suddenly something your your instincts suddenly go okay,
Speaker 2: it's it's time to. It's it's like time to, it's
Speaker 2: it's your you know. It's like a moment where and
Speaker 2: I had, yeah I had, I had low expectations and
Speaker 2: it turned out like better than I thought it would,
Speaker 2: which is cool. But you just never I don't know,
Speaker 2: you never know which way you're going in this crazy
Speaker 2: world that we are in. So yeah, it's been Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't It's not like yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it will always be.
Speaker 3: Like you know, seems so seamless as well, you.
Speaker 1: Know, but also fil must have kind of be like
Speaker 1: a which ways up kind of thing too, like you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of you're on stage, and the performances in
Speaker 1: Daisy Johones and the Six were like incredibly like not
Speaker 1: realistic the word, but I mean they were incredibly convincing.
Speaker 1: You guys.
Speaker 2: They really made us like, actually do they like we
Speaker 2: We had to play every single note they wanted to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they wanted the cameras, so we rehearsed hours and hours
Speaker 2: a day. They wanted the cameras to be able to
Speaker 2: roam and that you would be hitting the right note
Speaker 2: at the right time.
Speaker 3: So it was like they really weren't messing around.
Speaker 2: They weren't playing with us like they were like when
Speaker 2: we signed on, it was like this is going to
Speaker 2: be an incredibly intense like we want.
Speaker 3: Every you know.
Speaker 2: And that was kind of scary because at the beginning,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, it's like a job interfere.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, we all were doing that.
Speaker 2: We were all like oh yeah, and then and then
Speaker 2: you know, you just but yeah, you and we come on.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's got such an amazing voice.
Speaker 3: Her voice is really really stunning, and she should really.
Speaker 1: She sounds great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she has like.
Speaker 2: An incredibly unique like she can really belt and it's beautiful,
Speaker 2: and she just knew what to do on stage, Like
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It has to be in her DNA somewhere.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean everything, Like she's just like
Speaker 2: such an amazing actress and like such a fun human
Speaker 2: to be around, like everyone was.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that was that was that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we kind of like knew going in that
Speaker 2: it was really going to be like that.
Speaker 3: You know, it was serious.
Speaker 2: It was boot camp and we did so much, so
Speaker 2: much work before we actually got on stage, but it
Speaker 2: was Yeah, it made it.
Speaker 3: It made it like so much.
Speaker 2: It made it like so rewarding actually and so funny
Speaker 2: as well to do that with a group of people,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's so funny to be like basically
Speaker 2: suck and like and all just like get better together
Speaker 2: and actually like by the end be like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: like we did this.
Speaker 1: You guys could actually do an album that wasn't the soundtrack.
Speaker 3: I know, it would be so fun. Yeah, it would
Speaker 3: be fun.
Speaker 2: We were trying to we were trying to go on
Speaker 2: stage and everything, and then there was like strikes and
Speaker 2: all kinds of things that happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before you go, what what's the store? Lawsuit? Peacked
Speaker 1: my my?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, do you like it?
Speaker 1: I do? And then yeah, but like it was that
Speaker 1: was that? What I mean? Did it? Does that come
Speaker 1: up from your life or is it just I feel
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: One was like a cheeky like we wanted like a
Speaker 2: metaphor for like I can't Yeah, I kind of like
Speaker 2: love the idea of yeah, it's probably what you're going
Speaker 2: back to you like sounding quite mean, actually, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's like you're like, that's scary. That is scary.
Speaker 2: But I thought that word was quite like an entertaining
Speaker 2: kind of idea of like, yeah, all the girls lyning
Speaker 2: around the bathroom and like everyone's everyone's exchanging information and
Speaker 2: like there's a bunch of that like know, you know,
Speaker 2: we've all like got we've all like actually discussed what
Speaker 2: you're like, and we've got this like yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: a metaphorical kind of like we've we've got like the
Speaker 2: lawsuit of all the ship that you've that you've.
Speaker 3: Done, you know. Yeah, but that was Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I think like that kind.
Speaker 1: Of how did you hit on that as a metaphor
Speaker 1: sorry that kind.
Speaker 2: Of well, it was like kind of that sort of yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I kind of wanted like a Chryl Crowe song.
Speaker 2: I think that was like where where I went to
Speaker 2: with that, like, you know, having that kind of like
Speaker 2: laid back. I love Lucinder Williams. I love like that
Speaker 2: plain song problem with It. That was like another so
Speaker 2: good Katie from Maxahachius and it's like the most beautiful
Speaker 2: song problem with It. But yeah, like something you know,
Speaker 2: and and like going on tour as well, like you
Speaker 2: start going, yeah, I don't know, like changed me a lot,
Speaker 2: like starting to go and do shows and you think,
Speaker 2: like you start going like what would be.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, good luck with that last suit you know
Speaker 3: you got.
Speaker 2: I just knew that kind of kept going around my
Speaker 2: head and I was like, oh, that's that would be
Speaker 2: like a really fun thing for people to pay for,
Speaker 2: for people to like be singing a show.
Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. And I mean I was curious to also.
Speaker 1: I guess I was sort of curious too, Like just
Speaker 1: with your I mean there's so many I don't phrase
Speaker 1: other than I guess in acting, it feels like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of bad act bad actors, not in the
Speaker 1: actual acting sense. I mean people with bad intentions, right right, right,
Speaker 1: you can come across that, you can come across And
Speaker 1: I don't know much about the modeling world. I imagine
Speaker 1: that's there as well.
Speaker 3: Fucked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all fun, it's not all fucked It's actually
Speaker 2: not all fun.
Speaker 3: It's not all fun.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: No, I think there's like I think it's there's like things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there's like things that I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like, but I also think there's I don't know,
Speaker 2: we forget that there's like really fucked up stuff that
Speaker 2: goes on.
Speaker 3: And like working at MacDonald's too, it's like you know, like.
Speaker 2: There's so there's there's Yeah, there's fuck, there's functionhit everywhere.
Speaker 2: I don't know this, there's a there's like there's stories
Speaker 2: as old as the Tale of Time, isn't it with
Speaker 2: like in our industry and like, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you don't think music industry is fucked up as well?
Speaker 3: Or it can be fucked up or they can be No,
Speaker 3: you don't think no, it can be No, it can
Speaker 3: be right.
Speaker 2: Like look at like the history of like what happens
Speaker 2: to musicians and like and how I don't know, I
Speaker 2: think you can get Yeah, I think, yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 2: like a difficult thing too. I think Schapel Warren spoke
Speaker 2: about it recently. I feel like do you remember she
Speaker 2: was talking about like she said something like, oh, people
Speaker 2: do very well when like there's sort of like no
Speaker 2: boundaries and you have to you kind of you get
Speaker 2: like worked into the ground or like you can do
Speaker 2: very well, but like you you personally will you know,
Speaker 2: it's hard to Yeah, maybe it's hard to like have that.
Speaker 3: I guess it's I guess only.
Speaker 2: You can go, hey, is it crazy that I haven't
Speaker 2: had like a day off in six months?
Speaker 3: Or you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like and and that's actually quite difficult to be the
Speaker 2: advocate for yourself to like be able to actually like
Speaker 2: live life. And but it's like so important, especially with
Speaker 2: especially with music, because if there's no if you're just
Speaker 2: like working all the time and and you're not actually
Speaker 2: going to get to go and like live life, like
Speaker 2: what the hell, you know, you won't have anything to.
Speaker 3: To write about.
Speaker 2: So there has to be like that that breathing that
Speaker 2: kind of like off time in a way. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to kind of like learn how to advocate
Speaker 2: for yourself, which is something which is difficult when you're
Speaker 2: when you know you want to do really well and
Speaker 2: you want to like please everyone around you and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: It gets easy.
Speaker 2: I think it gets Yeah, I don't know for me personally,
Speaker 2: it's got it gets. It just gets easier and actually
Speaker 2: more enjoyable as I get older, because.
Speaker 3: I'm better. You go, like, I've been around the block.
Speaker 3: I kind of know.
Speaker 2: I know what it looks like to to be working
Speaker 2: a lot and doing well and also be miserable, and
Speaker 2: like you know, you you kind of you you kind
Speaker 2: of like figure it out more more.
Speaker 1: You're doing a great job. I wish I knew how
Speaker 1: to say no other people and set more boundaries for myself.
Speaker 1: So I'm walking away.
Speaker 2: Do you feel do you feel like overworked? Do you
Speaker 2: feel like it's too everything's like a lot and we're
Speaker 2: in your workplace though we got it's like, yeah, actually
Speaker 2: this is insane a little yeah, but.
Speaker 1: You know, actually, but you know what what I get
Speaker 1: to do is, but it's it's it's and it's harder.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, what I get to do
Speaker 1: is fun and so I think it disguises a little
Speaker 1: more fun. Sometimes it's all about fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it is about That's why I'm I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm like trying to trying to go at
Speaker 2: the moment is like how actually, like sometimes you forget
Speaker 2: that things can actually be really fun and like it
Speaker 2: doesn't you know, it get Yeah, it feels like it
Speaker 2: gets more and more fun as like a sort of Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have like amazing collaborators around you, and you have
Speaker 2: like great people and you sort of can discern better
Speaker 2: and like what you know who and what you want
Speaker 2: to be around and.
Speaker 3: Like how you want to create.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something I think about and like maybe yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't have to be like tortured and crazy and fucked
Speaker 2: up to like make stuff, you know, and it can
Speaker 2: there's like it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it doesn't always have to be like that
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 1: That's the hope. That's the hope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's like that's like, yeah, I kind
Speaker 2: of have that on my album cover for Memoir of
Speaker 2: Sparkle Muff and I have like on the back cover
Speaker 2: it side there's like this orange red sort of like
Speaker 2: La glare, which is sort of like glamorous and like sinful,
Speaker 2: and I've got this like kind of diamond choker around
Speaker 2: my neck and it's like a cage. And and then
Speaker 2: the front cover is sort of this like I was
Speaker 2: like thinking about like that movie More Holland Drive and
Speaker 2: like you know, the car crash in there, and I've
Speaker 2: like come down the street and this glamorous dress and
Speaker 2: I'm I found this like kind of safe, cocooned oasis
Speaker 2: that I've like created myself. There's like two kind of
Speaker 2: like flip sides for like for like the memoirs. So
Speaker 2: a lot of the album kind of like almost is
Speaker 2: like dealing or like confronting that sort of like metamorphois.
Speaker 1: So are you the are you the Sparkle?
Speaker 3: Course? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And it does it actually feel like a memoir? Does
Speaker 1: it actually feel like a memoir?
Speaker 3: And someone, Yeah, it does in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: I guess it's like yeah, it's I'm always like, so
Speaker 2: I just like love, I love like I just like
Speaker 2: love people's memoirs. I'm obsessed, like that is what I
Speaker 2: want to know about. I want to know about like
Speaker 2: real people's lives, Like like I love like the Jane
Speaker 2: Fonder documentary.
Speaker 3: That one was like.
Speaker 1: I was just talking about the other day I watched it.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe because it's a plane. I cried watching that.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, was wild because it's just like seeing her
Speaker 2: tapestry of her life and like how everything connected in
Speaker 2: the career and the different partners she had, and like
Speaker 2: just to be able to kind of like contextualize all
Speaker 2: that and see like the span of this like beautiful,
Speaker 2: amazing life that she's had.
Speaker 1: She's had one of the most incredible livesset and and
Speaker 1: and you think obviously with her father being who he
Speaker 1: was that you know, but the child I was just
Speaker 1: just broke my heart, you know that whole bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, but then.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, isn't it. It's like I never knew anything
Speaker 2: like that about.
Speaker 3: About no clue about her, no clue.
Speaker 2: And you look at her and you're like, you're a
Speaker 2: fucking survivor, like and you thrive and the most.
Speaker 1: Fucking incredible people ever, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: all the ship she did with Ted Turner and and
Speaker 1: and for for you know, for bringing in people even
Speaker 1: like that. Don't like, don't it's just like what in
Speaker 1: the do you wanna say? The workout videos, workout videos wild.
Speaker 1: I had no clue because I remember I remember my mom,
Speaker 1: Grandma's sad around the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2: You know, you know, the contacts behind it, the story
Speaker 2: of what's actually going on?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 2: Very cool, incredible, like yeah, I love I love like
Speaker 2: her memoir. I really loved or like her documentary. There
Speaker 2: was a bunch. There's like a an artist called Duncan.
Speaker 2: Hannah was super inspired by his Like they're like his
Speaker 2: diaries from the sixties and seventies.
Speaker 3: These are so cool.
Speaker 2: It's just like like, oh, on Monday, like lou Reed
Speaker 2: walked in and like an interaction he's had with him
Speaker 2: and he kind of actually like paints him and not
Speaker 2: so much of a nice light, which is kind of
Speaker 2: fun because it's just exactly as it was happening. And
Speaker 2: like Liz Fair's book I really enjoyed. She wrote a
Speaker 2: memoir of called Horror Stories, which is like do you.
Speaker 3: Know about it?
Speaker 2: These very honest vignettes from like her life and as
Speaker 2: a rock star, and she's so honest and there's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's certain like chapters in that in that book where
Speaker 2: it's like it's kind of like shifting it almost like shit,
Speaker 2: you know when you read something and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I'll almost I'll remember this when I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: doing this, or like, you know, it was so so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I love like Julia Fox's autobiography.
Speaker 1: I've never read that one.
Speaker 2: It's brilliant, Like yeah, it's absolutely brilliant, Like yeah, just
Speaker 2: to like have that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not like ready to write my memoirs yet,
Speaker 2: but I definitely like that doing it in and in and.
Speaker 1: Out album will suffice for now. You've got a long
Speaker 1: way to go. Thanks so much for for for the
Speaker 1: music for the album, and uh and for for for.
Speaker 3: Talking about.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for Sukie Waterhouse for talking us through
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