WEBVTT - Suki Waterhouse 0:00:15.516 --> 0:00:22.956 Pushkin. Suki Waterhouse started professional life as a model and 0:00:23.036 --> 0:00:26.276 actress in the UK. A full fledged music career might 0:00:26.276 --> 0:00:29.236 have seemed far fetched, but she quickly found an authentic 0:00:29.316 --> 0:00:32.596 voice as a singer songwriter. She put out some beautiful 0:00:32.596 --> 0:00:35.636 demos that caught the attention of the legendary sub pop label, 0:00:35.796 --> 0:00:37.956 which put out her first album, I Can't Let Go 0:00:38.516 --> 0:00:42.236 and her latest memoir of a Sparkle Muffin. Suki's music 0:00:42.276 --> 0:00:45.356 first started catching on with audiences through TikTok, but he 0:00:45.476 --> 0:00:48.516 oftener album wasn't built with social media audiences in mind. 0:00:49.276 --> 0:00:51.436 It's an eighteen song journey through the life of a 0:00:51.476 --> 0:00:53.756 thirty year old woman who had some wild times in 0:00:53.796 --> 0:00:57.316 her twenties, survived the sadness memorialized on her first album, 0:00:57.676 --> 0:01:00.436 and has come to find happiness and even a family 0:01:00.676 --> 0:01:04.156 on the other side. On today's episode, I talked with 0:01:04.196 --> 0:01:07.876 Suki Waterhouse about building an organic career in music, what 0:01:07.916 --> 0:01:10.476 it was like opening for Taylor's Swift at Wembley Stadium 0:01:10.596 --> 0:01:13.836 just last month, and she tells a great Jack White 0:01:13.876 --> 0:01:16.596 story that inspired one of my favorite lines from her 0:01:16.596 --> 0:01:22.676 first album. This is broken record liner notes for the 0:01:22.716 --> 0:01:27.076 digital age. I'm justin Richman. Here's my conversation with Sukie 0:01:27.116 --> 0:01:31.076 Waterhouse from Amazon's Studio one twenty six. To see the 0:01:31.076 --> 0:01:33.596 full video version of this episode, go to YouTube dot 0:01:33.636 --> 0:01:39.276 com slash Broken Record podcast. Congratulations on the soon to 0:01:39.316 --> 0:01:41.436 be released memoir of a Sparkle Muffin. 0:01:41.276 --> 0:01:43.916 Thank You, Thank You. I can't believe it. Actually it's 0:01:44.036 --> 0:01:47.676 too like over two weeks, but it's pretty much two 0:01:47.676 --> 0:01:48.196 weeks away. 0:01:48.476 --> 0:01:49.476 Yeah, come on, right up. 0:01:49.556 --> 0:01:51.196 I know, it's always that strange thing. 0:01:51.236 --> 0:01:53.676 You put so much work in and there's kind of 0:01:53.716 --> 0:01:56.116 singles coming out and there's rollout, and then you kind 0:01:56.156 --> 0:01:59.516 of actually you kind of forget that everyone hasn't had 0:01:59.556 --> 0:02:00.316 the record yet. 0:02:00.756 --> 0:02:03.276 You've heard it a ton, Yeah, I've. 0:02:03.116 --> 0:02:03.956 Had it a bunch of times. 0:02:03.996 --> 0:02:05.756 I just did a listening party the other day, which 0:02:05.756 --> 0:02:07.796 was just really fun nice because you know, you get 0:02:07.836 --> 0:02:09.876 together like a kind of one hundred or something and 0:02:09.916 --> 0:02:11.716 you play them and you get to see their expressions 0:02:11.716 --> 0:02:13.436 and you you kind of get like a real. 0:02:13.316 --> 0:02:13.916 Sense of it. 0:02:13.996 --> 0:02:17.036 And yeah, and I've been going around and like showing 0:02:17.076 --> 0:02:19.476 it to some of the streamers and stuff like that, 0:02:19.516 --> 0:02:21.676 but you kind of forget that everyone else, apart from 0:02:21.716 --> 0:02:23.436 like your friends and all the people that you love, 0:02:23.556 --> 0:02:25.836 Like I haven't heard it yet, so I don't know. 0:02:25.956 --> 0:02:26.796 Yeah, I'm excited. 0:02:26.876 --> 0:02:29.716 Rollouts is always really fun because it's unexpected. I feel 0:02:29.756 --> 0:02:32.716 like the next few months you really have no idea, 0:02:32.836 --> 0:02:36.756 like what's gonna happen and what's gonna connect, and it's 0:02:36.876 --> 0:02:39.156 kind of just like a bit of a mystery. 0:02:38.716 --> 0:02:42.036 And it's it's it's yeah, absolutely, I mean, obviously you 0:02:42.036 --> 0:02:44.516 have a tour booked, but in terms of like what 0:02:45.116 --> 0:02:47.836 sort of from the album like grabs people's attention, actually, 0:02:47.916 --> 0:02:49.796 you know, it's you really don't know. 0:02:49.916 --> 0:02:51.876 Yeah, you have no idea. This is a long album 0:02:51.916 --> 0:02:52.236 as well. 0:02:52.236 --> 0:02:55.796 Actually this is like an eighteen song record, which is Yeah, 0:02:55.916 --> 0:02:57.356 it was kind of like it longing. 0:02:57.476 --> 0:02:59.076 I was shocked about how long it was. That I mean, 0:02:59.076 --> 0:03:00.516 I love that it was long. It was cool, and 0:03:00.556 --> 0:03:03.596 I ended up like, you know, because it's longer, like 0:03:03.636 --> 0:03:07.556 I started thinking about it in sections, you know, almost 0:03:07.556 --> 0:03:09.396 like I guess, broken up the way like an old 0:03:09.596 --> 0:03:11.516 LP would be. Like it was like a double LP 0:03:11.796 --> 0:03:15.356 flip sides. Like certain certain groups of songs have like 0:03:15.356 --> 0:03:17.196 their own character. It feels like together and. 0:03:17.276 --> 0:03:19.316 I don't know, like yeah exactly. 0:03:18.956 --> 0:03:21.396 I now think of them as like a larger piece. 0:03:22.156 --> 0:03:24.956 Literally, parts of the memoir are together, like songs like 0:03:25.036 --> 0:03:27.396 Gateway and Oh My God and Blackout. I feel like 0:03:27.436 --> 0:03:29.876 a kind of inside there they're in like a kind 0:03:29.916 --> 0:03:31.556 of like destructive section of it. 0:03:31.596 --> 0:03:32.836 But I guess, yeah, that's kind. 0:03:32.676 --> 0:03:34.756 Of all the bye though, and then into like OMG, 0:03:35.156 --> 0:03:36.596 like that's kind of its own section. Two. 0:03:36.716 --> 0:03:36.956 Yeah. 0:03:37.396 --> 0:03:37.556 Yeah. 0:03:37.556 --> 0:03:39.196 A Lallabli is a song I haven't listened to in 0:03:39.196 --> 0:03:42.116 a long time actually because I kind of I feel like, yeah, 0:03:42.276 --> 0:03:44.556 I don't know, there's like this line in it about 0:03:45.236 --> 0:03:47.356 taking sleeping pearls and stuff. I don't know, you know 0:03:47.356 --> 0:03:49.516 when you're just like, oh, God, like it's sort of 0:03:49.556 --> 0:03:52.116 like you you wrote it really, just like, oh, I'm 0:03:52.116 --> 0:03:55.156 putting exactly how I feel in this one very like 0:03:55.276 --> 0:03:58.236 hazy moment where I've like written everything out and I'm like, oh, 0:03:58.276 --> 0:04:00.676 this isn't like this isn't every night, but this is 0:04:00.756 --> 0:04:03.116 you know what I mean, Like it's yeah, it's one 0:04:03.156 --> 0:04:06.876 of those ones that felt like a really personal kind 0:04:06.876 --> 0:04:07.636 of like etching. 0:04:09.356 --> 0:04:13.516 And I'm surprised that's the that's the lyric that us 0:04:13.556 --> 0:04:15.036 in God, because I mean, I don't know, it doesn't 0:04:15.076 --> 0:04:17.756 seem to me that I mean through your whole I 0:04:17.756 --> 0:04:22.276 mean starting with brutally like way, yes, yeah, not to 0:04:22.276 --> 0:04:24.396 frame it that way more fucked up, but you know 0:04:24.396 --> 0:04:26.196 there are guess as I was listening, I was like, wow, 0:04:26.236 --> 0:04:29.556 there's like, you know, you have some really your writing 0:04:29.636 --> 0:04:33.236 is really cool. I mean there's some like really maybe 0:04:33.276 --> 0:04:35.876 it's because you're British, but there's like a bit of 0:04:35.916 --> 0:04:39.956 a acerbic kind of tone to certain certain lines that 0:04:39.996 --> 0:04:41.516 are just like fun. You know, they almost make them 0:04:41.556 --> 0:04:43.036 like hip hop lines in a sense, like they're not 0:04:43.116 --> 0:04:45.036 quite a disk, but they're kind of like a little 0:04:45.076 --> 0:04:46.596 mean in a weird way, like. 0:04:46.596 --> 0:04:49.356 Yeah, I guess maybe I am a little mean, you know, 0:04:49.556 --> 0:04:51.236 or a little bit like yeah, a little bit, a 0:04:51.276 --> 0:04:51.996 little bit cutting. 0:04:52.076 --> 0:04:53.956 Yeah, yeah, a little cutting. I think I think that's 0:04:53.956 --> 0:04:54.636 what it is. 0:04:54.516 --> 0:04:57.476 You know, or like dad pan or like sometimes yeah, 0:04:57.556 --> 0:05:00.676 sometimes like you can say things as sort of like 0:05:00.756 --> 0:05:02.636 I'll use words or whatever, I can do it in 0:05:02.636 --> 0:05:04.396 an interview someone's where I'm like, oh my god, like 0:05:04.516 --> 0:05:07.316 that's been you know, like it comes across as being 0:05:07.876 --> 0:05:10.036 very like different to how you maybe said it with 0:05:10.076 --> 0:05:13.076 your tone. Yes, but yeah, I think actually, yeah, you 0:05:13.116 --> 0:05:15.636 said like British and I think that was something I 0:05:15.716 --> 0:05:19.236 think on my first record, I've I've always been like 0:05:19.356 --> 0:05:23.036 very inspired by like that kind of American Americana, like 0:05:23.276 --> 0:05:27.956 almost like like certain kind of like country folky elements. 0:05:28.236 --> 0:05:29.756 I think that came up quite a lot on the 0:05:29.756 --> 0:05:32.916 first record, and this one, I think I like lean 0:05:32.956 --> 0:05:35.076 into a lot more of the things that I grew 0:05:35.156 --> 0:05:37.796 up with, like a lot more of like kind of 0:05:37.876 --> 0:05:40.316 ramones or like English bands, like a little bit more 0:05:40.396 --> 0:05:43.796 Oasis and you know things. I think I was like, yeah, 0:05:43.836 --> 0:05:47.196 songs like Blackout Drunk, I kind of wanted that like Ramonesy, 0:05:47.916 --> 0:05:50.436 bloc party almost like the things that I was listening 0:05:50.476 --> 0:05:52.636 to in two thousand and eight, like stomping Down. 0:05:53.076 --> 0:05:54.876 I was stomping around New York. 0:05:54.676 --> 0:05:58.076 With like these like big hideous like Doc Martin's I 0:05:58.116 --> 0:06:00.636 got on eBay and you know that that kind of 0:06:00.716 --> 0:06:02.276 like that kind of feeling. 0:06:02.356 --> 0:06:03.236 Especially I'm I'm. 0:06:03.196 --> 0:06:04.956 So happy you said them. That's one of my favorite 0:06:04.956 --> 0:06:06.596 That's one of my favorite. You know, I don't really 0:06:06.636 --> 0:06:08.436 listen to them so much anymore because I just I've 0:06:08.476 --> 0:06:10.036 listened to them so much that I feel like I 0:06:10.076 --> 0:06:12.716 have their entire catalog, like I could recall it at 0:06:12.756 --> 0:06:15.596 any moment, right, But when you say that, like the 0:06:15.796 --> 0:06:19.516 b B Blackout Drunk, it's almost like twenty twenty twenty four. 0:06:20.916 --> 0:06:23.636 It's kind of got that kind of upbeat kind of. 0:06:24.276 --> 0:06:26.516 And it's just like such a I really love that 0:06:26.596 --> 0:06:28.876 song actually, because if it came out so just like 0:06:28.956 --> 0:06:32.236 as this as a story and just felt like okay, 0:06:32.356 --> 0:06:34.476 it was it was kind of like taken from a 0:06:34.476 --> 0:06:37.476 little bit of reality of like talking to friends and 0:06:37.516 --> 0:06:40.076 being like, oh god, we hate it and like you know, oh, 0:06:40.076 --> 0:06:42.476 your boyfriend got like way too drunk and it's like annoying, 0:06:42.516 --> 0:06:44.476 you know, and then we took I kind of took 0:06:44.756 --> 0:06:47.276 took it from there and then just made up this 0:06:47.876 --> 0:06:52.156 story of you know, going out and this girl get 0:06:52.196 --> 0:06:55.276 you know, he's gotten too drunk, and he's he's kind 0:06:55.276 --> 0:06:57.956 of like touching all the other girls weirdly and like 0:06:58.076 --> 0:07:00.436 you know, and I'm so pissed and he's falling asleep 0:07:00.476 --> 0:07:02.476 next to me and I can't wait to like wake 0:07:02.516 --> 0:07:04.676 him up and tell him all of the shit that 0:07:04.716 --> 0:07:05.396 he's done wrong. 0:07:05.436 --> 0:07:05.636 You know. 0:07:05.796 --> 0:07:08.396 Like that it was like came out as this very 0:07:08.476 --> 0:07:13.596 like concise story, which kind of doesn't always happen actually 0:07:13.596 --> 0:07:16.236 that much, where you're just you're really enjoying going like 0:07:17.276 --> 0:07:19.596 you know what, Yeah, you're kind of just like playing 0:07:19.636 --> 0:07:21.836 off everything in your head, like, well, would you like 0:07:21.876 --> 0:07:23.036 it if I cheated on you? 0:07:23.116 --> 0:07:24.916 Like how would you like that? Like you'd hate that? 0:07:25.636 --> 0:07:28.236 And it kind of Yeah, it just came out on Monco, 0:07:28.396 --> 0:07:30.196 So that was that was a really fun one. 0:07:30.276 --> 0:07:33.476 What what I mean given that it only came from 0:07:33.516 --> 0:07:36.956 a scrap of like not even necessarily autobiography, but just 0:07:36.996 --> 0:07:39.556 came from like, but it is a very so I'll 0:07:39.556 --> 0:07:42.636 say this, listen to that song, I realized, I don't 0:07:42.636 --> 0:07:46.716 think I've ever been that person. I know many people person, 0:07:46.796 --> 0:07:51.876 I know that relationship, relationship that's a very relatable, but 0:07:51.916 --> 0:07:54.276 I've never heard it actually like put in song that way. 0:07:54.396 --> 0:07:56.196 M But what what. 0:07:56.236 --> 0:07:59.276 About Probably plenty of songs about people getting drunk, right 0:07:59.436 --> 0:08:00.916 or like yeah. 0:08:00.756 --> 0:08:02.956 Being a drunk, but like not like just that dynamic 0:08:02.996 --> 0:08:07.676 though of like the boyfriend's probably pretty decent person sober, 0:08:07.716 --> 0:08:09.476 but then goes out and gets way too fucked up, 0:08:09.516 --> 0:08:12.556 probably way too often, right, does some fucked up things 0:08:12.676 --> 0:08:14.676 and then yeah, the sort of the thrill of being 0:08:14.676 --> 0:08:16.716 able to I guess what must be the thriller. Wise, 0:08:16.716 --> 0:08:18.436 I don't know if people say I'm just being able 0:08:18.516 --> 0:08:21.396 to sort of rub it in their noses. 0:08:21.596 --> 0:08:22.196 Yeah, like why do. 0:08:22.236 --> 0:08:23.316 You do this? 0:08:23.636 --> 0:08:25.436 But yeah, yeah, I get Yeah. 0:08:25.556 --> 0:08:28.196 Having that be like a kind of a fun thing, 0:08:28.596 --> 0:08:31.436 I guess is when you can take something that's actually 0:08:31.476 --> 0:08:33.796 probably quite difficult in real life and make it sort 0:08:33.796 --> 0:08:36.356 of like celebrate it and empower it and like and 0:08:36.556 --> 0:08:39.836 and make it kind of like an enjoyable thing to 0:08:39.836 --> 0:08:43.196 to sing. Is Yeah, I don't know that one. Yeah, 0:08:43.196 --> 0:08:45.036 that's it's it's a funny one. It's kind of like 0:08:45.076 --> 0:08:47.996 I'd forgotten about that song for a long time. And 0:08:48.036 --> 0:08:50.996 then I actually changed the single. I do it all 0:08:50.996 --> 0:08:53.116 the time, but I changed it to Blackout Drunk. 0:08:53.836 --> 0:08:54.516 Was it supposed to. 0:08:54.556 --> 0:08:55.356 Pretty last minute. 0:08:55.356 --> 0:08:57.996 It was meant to be Gateway, Yeah, which is like 0:08:58.036 --> 0:09:00.236 the first song on the record. But I'd done like 0:09:00.316 --> 0:09:03.036 oh my god, I'd done my fun and I'd done 0:09:03.036 --> 0:09:06.476 faded and then it felt like more it felt like 0:09:06.596 --> 0:09:10.236 kind of in the same like scope of everything. 0:09:10.516 --> 0:09:12.236 Yeah, So I don't know, Yeah, I do that. 0:09:12.276 --> 0:09:14.436 I do that all the time, Like I'll just I'll 0:09:14.476 --> 0:09:16.996 just completely throw it out the window and everyone's like 0:09:17.156 --> 0:09:18.476 I kind of enjoyed and that, you know, when the 0:09:18.516 --> 0:09:21.516 label's got the plan and everything's planning, it's going to 0:09:21.556 --> 0:09:24.196 be gate We're jong the I'm like, no, it's not, 0:09:24.396 --> 0:09:25.716 we're changing the whole thing. 0:09:25.876 --> 0:09:28.756 You know, you feeling it in real time exactly. Oh, 0:09:28.836 --> 0:09:31.076 people are really kind of I'm really liking this one now. No, 0:09:31.156 --> 0:09:31.876 I feel as it feels. 0:09:32.116 --> 0:09:34.036 Yeah, I didn't feel I didn't feel ready for Gateway, 0:09:34.076 --> 0:09:36.356 even though it's like it is one of my favorite 0:09:36.396 --> 0:09:37.956 songs off the record and I like love it. 0:09:37.956 --> 0:09:39.116 It just yeah, I don't know. 0:09:39.276 --> 0:09:41.436 You just like you kind of get a sense or 0:09:41.476 --> 0:09:44.436 I guess when like or if everyone's like, oh, this 0:09:44.476 --> 0:09:46.476 should be the single, this is the most thing like 0:09:46.556 --> 0:09:49.276 that also gives me like an allergic reaction and like 0:09:49.716 --> 0:09:52.116 change change change, like cause correct, because I just think 0:09:52.116 --> 0:09:54.316 it's Yeah, I don't know, I feel like in music, right, 0:09:54.356 --> 0:09:58.636 I don't know. It just doesn't feel we're not in that. 0:09:58.636 --> 0:10:00.756 That doesn't work. I don't think it works. 0:10:00.916 --> 0:10:03.196 That's just the metrics, the sort of well it doesn't 0:10:03.436 --> 0:10:03.916 it doesn't. 0:10:04.036 --> 0:10:07.516 Yeah, Like just because something sounds like, oh that sounds 0:10:07.556 --> 0:10:09.716 like a single, it's just not where. It's not where 0:10:09.796 --> 0:10:12.516 like culture is at the moment. It's not where like 0:10:12.636 --> 0:10:15.956 you can it's not about just like the most single 0:10:16.156 --> 0:10:19.076 singly song or the one that every in fact, if anything, 0:10:19.116 --> 0:10:21.716 I'm always like, no, it's the opposite, you know what 0:10:21.756 --> 0:10:21.996 I mean? 0:10:22.396 --> 0:10:28.196 No, definitely, Yeah, I don't know what what Faded is 0:10:28.236 --> 0:10:29.596 another one. I actually want to pull up some of 0:10:29.756 --> 0:10:30.036 some of the. 0:10:30.196 --> 0:10:31.796 Some of the lyrics. 0:10:31.916 --> 0:10:34.196 Everyone's been like, what are these lyrics? Like they're all 0:10:34.236 --> 0:10:34.876 over the place. 0:10:37.116 --> 0:10:39.596 You used to call me yogo? Yeah, I made I'm 0:10:39.636 --> 0:10:41.676 gonna joke that all your friends are leaving, yeah or 0:10:41.716 --> 0:10:45.996 all yeah. 0:10:44.356 --> 0:10:46.516 It's like little vin I feel like that one. 0:10:46.716 --> 0:10:49.276 Yeah, that one. That song like really goes back to 0:10:50.916 --> 0:10:53.476 that one, like really goes back to like being like 0:10:53.756 --> 0:10:56.716 sixteen seventeen, and like like the kind of the things 0:10:56.756 --> 0:10:59.276 that yeah, like the things that people were saying to 0:10:59.516 --> 0:11:01.796 like kind of the things that it's not. It's not 0:11:01.956 --> 0:11:03.996 I've seen like stuff on the internet being like who's 0:11:03.996 --> 0:11:06.996 it about, and it's like it's so it's it's sort 0:11:06.996 --> 0:11:09.276 of about like a couple of different people from when 0:11:09.316 --> 0:11:10.836 I was like sixteen, So you know what I mean. 0:11:10.876 --> 0:11:13.076 It's like and then there's like you know, there's like 0:11:13.156 --> 0:11:16.916 kind of other things in that too, but it's like, yeah, 0:11:16.956 --> 0:11:19.436 it takes little like vignettes and it was like this 0:11:19.676 --> 0:11:22.636 very like sweet it feels like this very sweet like 0:11:22.796 --> 0:11:25.316 kind of wave to the to the past, and in 0:11:25.356 --> 0:11:25.836 a way. 0:11:25.796 --> 0:11:28.196 Yeah, and that that that line be the kind of 0:11:28.236 --> 0:11:30.116 man that I could that I could read to, I 0:11:30.116 --> 0:11:31.916 could read to. Yeah, it's just I don't know, that's 0:11:31.956 --> 0:11:33.316 the kind of thing I was like, again, I don't 0:11:33.356 --> 0:11:35.436 know if you meant it like cutting, but it's like, 0:11:35.596 --> 0:11:37.676 you know, it was a bit it's in a good way. 0:11:37.716 --> 0:11:39.316 I think it's like I would it was a bit 0:11:39.356 --> 0:11:41.836 like infantilizing in a positive way, like you know, like 0:11:41.916 --> 0:11:46.556 you're kind of this not the superior in the relationship. 0:11:46.556 --> 0:11:49.156 But again, it just felt like, I don't know, it 0:11:49.196 --> 0:11:51.116 seems like you have these very smart ways of kind 0:11:51.156 --> 0:11:56.036 of putting people or situations in the in a particular 0:11:56.116 --> 0:11:58.596 place that makes you sort of the person that holds 0:11:58.636 --> 0:12:00.556 the power, and it's it's it's kind of fun. 0:12:00.796 --> 0:12:03.956 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's true at all. Yeah, 0:12:04.076 --> 0:12:06.396 I mean I think on my first record, I probably will. 0:12:06.596 --> 0:12:08.116 I don't think I was feeling like that on my 0:12:08.156 --> 0:12:10.636 first record, I mean first records called I Can't Let Go, 0:12:10.716 --> 0:12:12.596 And like when I listen to it now, like I'm 0:12:12.636 --> 0:12:16.476 so proud of that that work. But it was definitely 0:12:16.716 --> 0:12:19.516 I think also because where I came from on that 0:12:19.596 --> 0:12:23.036 record was like, you know, I'd been putting up music 0:12:23.076 --> 0:12:25.396 by myself, like you know, it was always just like 0:12:26.156 --> 0:12:28.076 most of the songs at the beginning, like Brutally and 0:12:28.156 --> 0:12:29.796 Cause Place in the world, like they didn't weren't even 0:12:29.836 --> 0:12:32.476 recorded to like click or anything. It was so you know, 0:12:32.636 --> 0:12:36.716 so kind of just experimenting and there was nothing that 0:12:36.836 --> 0:12:39.516 there was no you know, there was no team, there 0:12:39.556 --> 0:12:40.076 was no nothing. 0:12:40.116 --> 0:12:41.836 So I got to do that for like a decade. 0:12:41.876 --> 0:12:44.756 So in a way, I feel like not much really changed, 0:12:44.836 --> 0:12:48.836 and in a way like when I kind of started, 0:12:49.116 --> 0:12:51.236 you know, actually made a record, but the first record 0:12:51.236 --> 0:12:52.436 was I kn't of got and I think it was 0:12:52.876 --> 0:12:56.436 I think I felt at that point like I was 0:12:56.556 --> 0:13:00.796 so frightened to cross over and add like to kind 0:13:00.836 --> 0:13:02.996 of change course in a way or say like hey, 0:13:03.596 --> 0:13:07.316 like here here's like an entire record, here's a body 0:13:07.356 --> 0:13:11.916 of work. Like my expectations was so low of what 0:13:11.916 --> 0:13:12.556 what would. 0:13:12.396 --> 0:13:14.756 Happen, you know, when I put put that record out. 0:13:14.796 --> 0:13:17.596 So everything that's happened in the last few years has 0:13:17.676 --> 0:13:22.556 just been like such an insane surprise. But yeah, with this, 0:13:22.756 --> 0:13:25.436 with this record, it's like it's such a jump in 0:13:25.436 --> 0:13:27.076 a way because it's like, yeah, I can't let go 0:13:27.156 --> 0:13:28.676 and now I feel like, oh, I've let go of 0:13:28.756 --> 0:13:31.196 so much and you know what I mean, Like I'm 0:13:31.196 --> 0:13:34.076 so I'm so much freer. I'm so like in what 0:13:34.156 --> 0:13:36.956 I can experiment with in music and with this record, 0:13:36.996 --> 0:13:40.436 and yeah, I feel like I've I've just gotten that. 0:13:40.716 --> 0:13:43.876 I'm like so full of wanting to write and wanting 0:13:43.876 --> 0:13:45.596 to just make as much stuff as possible. 0:13:45.756 --> 0:13:48.756 That's great. What was I mean? Maybe we can go back? 0:13:48.796 --> 0:13:51.156 What was the impetus to begin with with? Like so 0:13:51.236 --> 0:13:52.636 brutally was the first thing you put out? 0:13:52.756 --> 0:13:53.356 That was the first? 0:13:53.436 --> 0:13:53.596 Yeah? 0:13:53.676 --> 0:13:54.956 Yeah, that was like the first song? 0:13:55.036 --> 0:13:58.076 Yeah yeah? What was what made you write? What? What 0:13:58.156 --> 0:14:00.476 made you write that? What made you then decide I 0:14:00.516 --> 0:14:02.436 need you know? And how did you record it? Did 0:14:02.436 --> 0:14:05.076 you find a band? Was it? Where did you do it? 0:14:05.116 --> 0:14:05.156 Like? 0:14:05.196 --> 0:14:06.276 What's the story on the earlier? 0:14:06.396 --> 0:14:06.596 Yeah? 0:14:06.676 --> 0:14:10.316 So the first So I have this same producers now 0:14:10.356 --> 0:14:13.916 that I've worked with for like over a decade, Jewels 0:14:13.956 --> 0:14:16.996 upon It and Nat Finley, she is she has a 0:14:16.996 --> 0:14:18.876 project called Finley And I was like such a massive 0:14:18.916 --> 0:14:21.036 fan of Finley, So I went to one of their 0:14:21.076 --> 0:14:23.396 shows and somehow like got backstage and that was how 0:14:23.396 --> 0:14:26.676 I like got in with them. And similar thing with 0:14:26.756 --> 0:14:29.916 my friend Blue, who actually just mixed Memoir of a 0:14:29.916 --> 0:14:31.756 sparklem Off and we did a bunch of stuff together. 0:14:31.796 --> 0:14:33.596 So there's been like a crew that I've really been 0:14:34.836 --> 0:14:38.876 working with for such a long time. But Blue, yeah, 0:14:38.916 --> 0:14:41.116 that was like round. That was round at his house. 0:14:41.716 --> 0:14:43.596 I think it was like probably one of the first 0:14:43.636 --> 0:14:45.316 things that we've done together. 0:14:45.636 --> 0:14:48.796 And you've recorded the album albums at least in North Carolina. 0:14:49.316 --> 0:14:51.396 That was the first one. Yeah, the first record I 0:14:51.556 --> 0:14:53.836 record in North Carolina. 0:14:53.876 --> 0:14:57.956 But the early singles but those weren't like brutally and 0:14:58.356 --> 0:14:59.036 good looking. 0:14:59.516 --> 0:15:02.996 No, well they were just like at my house and stuff. Yeah, 0:15:03.036 --> 0:15:04.756 well at my house or in their living room. I 0:15:04.756 --> 0:15:06.836 mean most of the stuff that I do with Jewels 0:15:06.836 --> 0:15:09.076 and Nat we did like good looking, Oh my god, 0:15:09.276 --> 0:15:12.116 my fun Joanna. We've we've worked together for such a 0:15:12.116 --> 0:15:13.756 long time and they've they did a bunch of stuff 0:15:13.756 --> 0:15:17.396 on the new record too. That's like always been literally 0:15:17.396 --> 0:15:18.276 in a living room. 0:15:18.356 --> 0:15:19.076 Wow. Yeah. 0:15:19.156 --> 0:15:22.396 And Jewels are such an like they're just yeah, they're 0:15:22.396 --> 0:15:25.036 a couple and they've been they've just been like the 0:15:25.036 --> 0:15:27.476 most unbelievable partners to have for a long time. And 0:15:27.516 --> 0:15:29.476 it's like it's cool, like we're all, you know, we 0:15:29.556 --> 0:15:34.756 made Good Looking like eight nine years ago, and you know, 0:15:34.876 --> 0:15:37.076 just because we were all enjoying each other so much, 0:15:37.116 --> 0:15:39.796 and then it kind of had this it's so weird 0:15:39.836 --> 0:15:41.876 when like with music like then it had a moment. 0:15:42.436 --> 0:15:44.156 It's a kind of it had like a moment where 0:15:44.156 --> 0:15:47.076 it kind of like started doing stuff like such a 0:15:47.076 --> 0:15:48.796 long time afterwards. 0:15:48.316 --> 0:15:51.076 Yeah, like about eight years. 0:15:50.196 --> 0:15:52.156 Like time afterwards. 0:15:53.156 --> 0:15:54.876 Yeah, And it's one of those weird things like when 0:15:54.956 --> 0:15:57.796 I when I made the I Can't Go record and 0:15:57.996 --> 0:16:00.996 had it signed it to subpop, like everyone was trying 0:16:00.996 --> 0:16:03.076 to get me to delete good Looking and delete all 0:16:03.116 --> 0:16:05.836 the old songs and like, oh, let's start afresh, and 0:16:05.876 --> 0:16:07.436 I was like, no, I love those songs. 0:16:07.676 --> 0:16:09.356 But it was such you know, it's like such a 0:16:09.356 --> 0:16:10.316 funny thing like that. 0:16:10.476 --> 0:16:12.356 Yeah, that was like the first song that kind of 0:16:12.436 --> 0:16:15.756 ended up like do yeah, doing doing good. 0:16:15.636 --> 0:16:17.476 And it did get I mean it wasn't it kind 0:16:17.476 --> 0:16:18.836 of sort of doing good around the time you put 0:16:18.836 --> 0:16:19.836 out I Can't Let. 0:16:19.716 --> 0:16:22.436 Go, Yeah, and it wasn't so weird, isn't it. It's 0:16:22.436 --> 0:16:22.996 so strange. 0:16:22.996 --> 0:16:25.076 No, it wasn't on the but did it lift anything like, Like, 0:16:25.116 --> 0:16:28.156 so I feel like move got really popular as well 0:16:28.196 --> 0:16:31.596 from the first album. Yeah, that was so did Good 0:16:31.596 --> 0:16:35.556 Look did the kind of online for you know, viralness 0:16:35.596 --> 0:16:36.636 of Good Look into that. 0:16:37.156 --> 0:16:39.916 I definitely think it helped. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It 0:16:39.956 --> 0:16:41.796 was very strange that that kind of happened. At the 0:16:41.836 --> 0:16:43.876 same time it was Yeah, again I kind of felt 0:16:43.876 --> 0:16:47.396 like it was this like way from the past coming 0:16:47.396 --> 0:16:47.836 back around. 0:16:47.836 --> 0:16:49.596 But that yeah, that was like a TikTok thing. 0:16:49.876 --> 0:16:52.596 Yeah, that was like that's like one of those unexplainable 0:16:52.636 --> 0:16:55.276 things where like, yeah, no one's focused on your old 0:16:55.316 --> 0:16:57.556 stuff that you did eight nine years ago, but TikTok 0:16:57.956 --> 0:17:01.356 is like it just like does its own thing and 0:17:01.556 --> 0:17:04.756 it's no yeah, no rhyme or reason, and you like 0:17:04.836 --> 0:17:07.076 have yeah, you have no idea. You're watching all these 0:17:07.156 --> 0:17:10.156 videos and you're kind of thinking like, oh, this has 0:17:10.236 --> 0:17:13.316 just like come to life and has this other way 0:17:13.356 --> 0:17:15.956 that it's breathing that you never ever would have thought of. 0:17:16.156 --> 0:17:18.116 It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre. 0:17:18.196 --> 0:17:22.156 But yeah, for sure that that I'm sure that I'm 0:17:22.196 --> 0:17:23.356 sure that helped. 0:17:24.756 --> 0:17:27.356 Like bring eyeballs onto onto the music. 0:17:27.636 --> 0:17:30.356 And then I got to release Like I never would 0:17:30.356 --> 0:17:31.876 have thought those old songs would have got to be 0:17:31.876 --> 0:17:33.996 put on vinyl and like get a proper release, But 0:17:34.036 --> 0:17:36.556 we put all of them together and we released it 0:17:36.636 --> 0:17:39.356 on a and and I called it was an EP 0:17:39.516 --> 0:17:41.676 called Milk Teeth, So I released that right after. 0:17:41.756 --> 0:17:43.716 And was that on subpart to the or did you 0:17:43.756 --> 0:17:44.356 do that yourself? 0:17:44.396 --> 0:17:47.276 Okay? That was yeah, So those songs were I had 0:17:47.316 --> 0:17:49.836 all of them by myself and then and then I 0:17:49.916 --> 0:17:53.236 signed them to and we released them on a on 0:17:53.316 --> 0:17:55.196 a vinyl note that kind and they got to have 0:17:55.276 --> 0:17:57.516 this like moment. Yeah, they got to kind of you know, it's. 0:17:57.596 --> 0:18:00.316 A cool from them like delete them, ye. 0:18:01.836 --> 0:18:08.196 German, but you kind of yeah, it was one. 0:18:09.836 --> 0:18:12.116 I'm sure you know exactly smart that you listen to 0:18:12.156 --> 0:18:12.916 your instinct on it. 0:18:13.196 --> 0:18:15.756 Yeah, yeah, you never know. But that's always like that's 0:18:15.796 --> 0:18:17.756 always the coore thing. It's like, yeah, that's what I 0:18:17.796 --> 0:18:18.836 was like, Oh, I get to have it on a 0:18:18.916 --> 0:18:21.076 vinyl and get get to have it in record stores 0:18:21.116 --> 0:18:23.276 like that's always that's like the dream. 0:18:23.316 --> 0:18:24.596 That's always like the best thing ever. 0:18:24.876 --> 0:18:26.916 So the group you're saying you were a fan of 0:18:26.956 --> 0:18:27.916 it was Finley. 0:18:27.996 --> 0:18:32.516 Yeah, so Finley is Natalie and she yeah, Juels used 0:18:32.516 --> 0:18:34.636 to play with her too, and and I was a 0:18:34.636 --> 0:18:37.156 big fan of them. I remember it was kind of Yeah, 0:18:37.156 --> 0:18:39.476 it was around the time that like Jake Bug was around. 0:18:39.596 --> 0:18:41.996 I think I think I'd been to like one of 0:18:42.036 --> 0:18:44.116 his shows that same week and we met. Yeah, we 0:18:44.196 --> 0:18:47.516 just met each other backstage and and I literally had 0:18:47.556 --> 0:18:50.796 done as you know, i'd done, like I kind of 0:18:50.996 --> 0:18:54.436 I was always like finding people to work with, even 0:18:54.476 --> 0:18:56.836 though I had like sort of no sort of like 0:18:57.076 --> 0:18:59.276 music industry connections in a way, but that you know, 0:18:59.356 --> 0:19:01.556 you just find, you just find people to work with. 0:19:01.836 --> 0:19:03.796 So yeah, I remember we have we have like video 0:19:03.796 --> 0:19:06.996 footage of it where like little babies, like eighteen year 0:19:06.996 --> 0:19:11.356 old babies and that. Yeah, we started, Yeah, we started 0:19:11.356 --> 0:19:14.756 making those songs. And we would go on like little 0:19:14.756 --> 0:19:17.356 trips and go and stay at his mom's house and 0:19:17.436 --> 0:19:21.276 in Brittany and France, and and yes, it's been this 0:19:21.436 --> 0:19:25.716 like really long, like collaborative, fruitful experience. 0:19:25.756 --> 0:19:28.196 So you had some of the songs already when you 0:19:28.236 --> 0:19:31.356 went backstage and met them, you had some of the No. 0:19:31.516 --> 0:19:33.516 I don't think I had any of the ones that 0:19:33.596 --> 0:19:35.476 we we put out, No, we. 0:19:35.436 --> 0:19:36.756 Like I know, I know which song. 0:19:36.876 --> 0:19:37.956 I know we had some stuff. 0:19:38.116 --> 0:19:39.636 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well. 0:19:39.596 --> 0:19:42.236 I'd I definitely like made music before, but we we 0:19:42.356 --> 0:19:43.796 kind of like went in there with a lot of 0:19:43.876 --> 0:19:46.436 like like Jules has such you know, the production on 0:19:46.516 --> 0:19:48.276 good Looking and Joanna and Oh my God and my 0:19:48.316 --> 0:19:51.636 fun he has such a he just I don't know, 0:19:51.676 --> 0:19:53.796 I feel like he has something that no one else does, 0:19:53.876 --> 0:19:56.476 like both of them together, I really I think there's 0:19:57.156 --> 0:20:01.796 that that whole kind of like that it's it's yeah, 0:20:01.876 --> 0:20:04.356 it's it's otherworldly what I think they're able to do. 0:20:05.396 --> 0:20:08.796 And we yeah, we've just like had this really special relationship. 0:20:09.836 --> 0:20:12.076 We'll be right back after this break with more from 0:20:12.076 --> 0:20:21.116 Suki Waterhouse. We're back with Suki Waterhouse. Before you started 0:20:21.116 --> 0:20:24.436 writing songs or what was your like, what was like 0:20:24.476 --> 0:20:27.556 were you what was your relationship with music? You know? 0:20:27.636 --> 0:20:29.716 I mean you were at the time, you had a job, 0:20:29.796 --> 0:20:32.636 you were a model, you know, and you were acting. 0:20:32.676 --> 0:20:38.356 I think also by that point well into acting, so what. 0:20:37.476 --> 0:20:39.076 Well, maybe not when I was like that age. 0:20:39.116 --> 0:20:41.876 Actually, I think I think I started making music probably, yeah, 0:20:41.916 --> 0:20:44.156 I was, I was modeling and stuff. But yeah, I 0:20:44.156 --> 0:20:47.996 started making music kind of a long time before. I 0:20:47.996 --> 0:20:50.396 guess like I was, I was a model, but I 0:20:50.436 --> 0:20:53.316 was like not like a very successful model. 0:20:53.716 --> 0:20:56.476 No, no, no, I really wasn't that really No. I 0:20:56.596 --> 0:20:57.756 was like like you. 0:20:57.716 --> 0:20:59.916 Know with my age to z go into like thirty 0:21:00.076 --> 0:21:03.476 castings a day and like you know, probably crying in 0:21:03.516 --> 0:21:07.036 like in a toilet most days. It wasn't It wasn't 0:21:07.076 --> 0:21:09.556 like a particular you know, it was very It was 0:21:09.596 --> 0:21:11.956 like very much at the beginning. So yeah, that was 0:21:12.116 --> 0:21:16.156 that was like always the yeah, writing and making music. 0:21:16.196 --> 0:21:18.596 It was like I wanted, Yeah, I really like wanted 0:21:19.236 --> 0:21:21.916 I wanted that life, but and I wanted to be 0:21:22.036 --> 0:21:25.636 in music always first actually, but I don't know. Sometimes 0:21:25.676 --> 0:21:28.116 like life kind of like takes you in different directions 0:21:28.116 --> 0:21:30.996 and like that and in and in so many ways, 0:21:31.756 --> 0:21:34.116 in fact, in every way, like I'm I'm I'm so 0:21:34.236 --> 0:21:37.796 grateful that it almost that it did take so long, 0:21:37.876 --> 0:21:41.156 and that it got so long, so much time to 0:21:41.276 --> 0:21:44.836 just work on it and discover what I like and 0:21:44.836 --> 0:21:46.716 and like mess up a bunch of times and do 0:21:46.796 --> 0:21:51.676 like hundreds of sessions of you know, like not like no, no, 0:21:51.916 --> 0:21:54.036 like kind of it's it's all about like taste and 0:21:54.076 --> 0:21:56.756 finding out what you do and don't like and becoming 0:21:56.836 --> 0:21:59.476 very particular about it. Like that is what it is 0:21:59.556 --> 0:22:02.116 essentially like building your artists world. 0:22:03.756 --> 0:22:04.796 So yeah, I don't know. 0:22:04.876 --> 0:22:06.956 I wouldn't if I was like if I had just 0:22:07.036 --> 0:22:10.076 been having to like make record ten and put everything 0:22:10.076 --> 0:22:12.596 out out, then yeah, I don't know. 0:22:12.636 --> 0:22:13.836 I wouldn't take it back for anything. 0:22:13.876 --> 0:22:16.236 And also it's like so much my music is about 0:22:16.436 --> 0:22:19.756 my life, and you know, I like got to kind 0:22:19.756 --> 0:22:22.116 of like be on that girl roller coaster of my 0:22:22.156 --> 0:22:26.556 twenties and like have like insane experiences and be crazy, 0:22:26.676 --> 0:22:30.756 and that is how I have like material. I feel 0:22:30.756 --> 0:22:32.716 like I probably did enough of my twenties to like 0:22:32.756 --> 0:22:35.836 sustain the material for like a while, because now it's 0:22:35.876 --> 0:22:38.636 like so much like it's so much like not as a. 0:22:38.596 --> 0:22:40.316 Crazy it's a little different now. 0:22:42.196 --> 0:22:45.036 Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah I understand that. 0:22:45.116 --> 0:22:47.156 I mean it's still you know, it's still it's never 0:22:47.196 --> 0:22:49.716 gonna It's not like just having a kid makes everything. 0:22:50.036 --> 0:22:51.916 Oh like you know, it's not like that at all. 0:22:51.956 --> 0:22:54.996 You actually have a lot, you know, like like life 0:22:54.996 --> 0:22:55.636 goes on in this. 0:22:55.716 --> 0:22:57.196 Ya, but it feels less. I don't know. 0:22:57.236 --> 0:22:59.356 For some reason as insane. 0:22:59.476 --> 0:23:02.316 Yes, it's a little mundane. It's crazier in a weird way. 0:23:02.396 --> 0:23:04.836 But it's to have two kids. 0:23:03.996 --> 0:23:08.796 You two girls. Yeah, they just third grade in kindergarten. 0:23:09.236 --> 0:23:09.516 Ring. 0:23:09.716 --> 0:23:12.236 Yeah, it's the most it's a cool thing. 0:23:12.316 --> 0:23:12.836 It's wild. 0:23:12.996 --> 0:23:15.076 I love like just being a parent now and just 0:23:15.316 --> 0:23:17.676 that connection you have to other parents, like you know 0:23:17.756 --> 0:23:20.956 you just like I was backstage at a show that 0:23:20.956 --> 0:23:22.996 I was just doing in London, and I'm just like 0:23:23.076 --> 0:23:25.396 kind of walking and talking with one of the guys backstage, 0:23:25.396 --> 0:23:27.156 and he's pulling out pictures and being like. 0:23:27.076 --> 0:23:29.156 Look at this video. Look how smart she is, like loo, 0:23:29.476 --> 0:23:31.196 and You're like, well, look at this one. Look at 0:23:31.196 --> 0:23:31.756 what she's doing. 0:23:31.796 --> 0:23:31.956 You know. 0:23:31.956 --> 0:23:35.036 It's like that excitement that you that it feels like 0:23:35.236 --> 0:23:37.956 unlocking a key to this like little secret like love club. 0:23:38.276 --> 0:23:40.356 No, it is, and it's funny. As long as you're there, 0:23:40.436 --> 0:23:42.596 it feels great. But you know, then sometimes I go 0:23:42.636 --> 0:23:44.516 out into the world and I kind of always think 0:23:44.516 --> 0:23:47.196 about this Anthony board. I don't know the exact quote, 0:23:47.236 --> 0:23:48.996 but as we had in an interview that Anthony Bourdain 0:23:49.036 --> 0:23:51.196 did obviously a while ago, and he was just like, 0:23:51.236 --> 0:23:52.756 you know, once you're like a dad, like you know, 0:23:52.796 --> 0:23:54.756 you try to break out like the Ramon shirt and 0:23:54.796 --> 0:23:57.116 then get it, go out and be in the mix, 0:23:57.396 --> 0:23:59.676 but after about like thirty minutes, you're like, I gotta 0:23:59.716 --> 0:24:02.236 throw this shit away, okay, like and I don't know. 0:24:02.316 --> 0:24:04.676 Like I still feel quite like I don't know, I 0:24:04.676 --> 0:24:09.076 feel like myself, and I'm actually surprised by like how I. 0:24:09.476 --> 0:24:13.116 Don't know any tips. Then I need I need advice on. 0:24:13.076 --> 0:24:13.716 It, but I don't know. 0:24:13.756 --> 0:24:16.316 Maybe I didn't, But then I guess, like it's not 0:24:16.436 --> 0:24:20.916 like I guess before as well. I certainly like haven't 0:24:20.996 --> 0:24:25.676 been wanting to go and be like doing crazy stuff, 0:24:25.676 --> 0:24:28.636 but like you know what I mean, yeah exactly, So 0:24:28.676 --> 0:24:31.196 it's not like it's been this like hugely drastic thing. 0:24:31.196 --> 0:24:33.636 And it's also like the best excuse ever for like 0:24:33.716 --> 0:24:36.796 streamlining your life a little bit, not like running around 0:24:36.876 --> 0:24:39.876 as much like being quite intentional. Yeah, it kind of 0:24:39.916 --> 0:24:43.396 helps you have that bedrock because you can't you can't, 0:24:43.476 --> 0:24:46.516 like you know, I can't just like take off and 0:24:46.556 --> 0:24:49.316 go everywhere and do it. So it's I have to 0:24:49.316 --> 0:24:51.196 be like much more intentional, which I think actually is 0:24:51.236 --> 0:24:54.356 something that is like not only good for me. And 0:24:54.396 --> 0:24:57.636 I have this like grounding this thing that keeps me 0:24:57.756 --> 0:25:00.196 very like grounded now, but it also keeps me like 0:25:00.316 --> 0:25:03.836 grounded to place more, which is something that after a 0:25:03.876 --> 0:25:07.436 long time of moving so much, I'm actually really happy for. 0:25:08.236 --> 0:25:09.836 So how do you how are you going to work 0:25:12.236 --> 0:25:12.636 a week? 0:25:12.716 --> 0:25:15.916 Basically, she's going with me? 0:25:15.996 --> 0:25:16.636 And how old is she? 0:25:16.676 --> 0:25:18.396 No, she's almost six months. 0:25:18.956 --> 0:25:21.156 Yeah, but it's kind of probably the best time, not 0:25:21.356 --> 0:25:23.796 because like before, she's going to just be figuring out 0:25:24.276 --> 0:25:26.916 in a couple of months how to like crawl and 0:25:26.916 --> 0:25:27.436 and walk. 0:25:27.516 --> 0:25:29.756 But we'll see, we'll see. 0:25:29.836 --> 0:25:32.316 I'm like just throwing myself into being like, you know, 0:25:32.516 --> 0:25:35.476 she's got to come with me, so you just well, 0:25:35.596 --> 0:25:37.756 you know, a bus will be fun for her. I 0:25:37.796 --> 0:25:41.316 think there'll be so many people around, like she'll she's 0:25:41.396 --> 0:25:44.596 quite you know, she's social. She's like wants to be 0:25:44.636 --> 0:25:46.836 looking at everything and having fun. I'm going to be saying, 0:25:46.916 --> 0:25:48.196 just ask me in a few months and we're going 0:25:48.236 --> 0:25:48.676 to be like. 0:25:51.596 --> 0:25:53.556 Pretty fun experience for the baby and they don't really 0:25:53.556 --> 0:25:59.156 know what's going on. Everything's new and different exactly, you know, stimulating. 0:25:59.596 --> 0:26:01.356 It will be stimulating exactly. 0:26:01.516 --> 0:26:04.556 She's not going to be She's not you know, it's yeah, 0:26:04.596 --> 0:26:06.476 she just came to London with me on her first 0:26:07.076 --> 0:26:10.116 that was like a first like long flight and she. 0:26:09.756 --> 0:26:10.476 She was born here. 0:26:10.556 --> 0:26:11.476 Yeah, she was born here. 0:26:11.836 --> 0:26:13.756 How do you feel about does that? Does that feel? 0:26:14.396 --> 0:26:15.676 How do you feel about bridge? 0:26:15.676 --> 0:26:17.796 She has like a little American passible now, which is 0:26:17.796 --> 0:26:20.396 pretty cool. It's just really strange actually to see I'm like, 0:26:20.436 --> 0:26:24.076 oh my god, you like you were born in la Wow. 0:26:25.156 --> 0:26:27.276 But it was it was very special to bring her 0:26:27.316 --> 0:26:29.036 back actually and kind of go for it. I went 0:26:29.076 --> 0:26:32.156 early and had, you know, all the family. We went 0:26:32.196 --> 0:26:34.836 to the countryside, she went, saw the Tower of London, 0:26:34.956 --> 0:26:38.356 like I just like, yeah, we went everywhere and it 0:26:38.476 --> 0:26:40.956 was beautiful. Yeah, to have all the family, it is, 0:26:41.396 --> 0:26:41.676 it is. 0:26:41.836 --> 0:26:43.556 Yeah. I did like pull up my heartstrings a. 0:26:43.516 --> 0:26:46.636 Little bit, being like, oh, everyone's there's so many people 0:26:46.676 --> 0:26:49.796 in England or London that like love her and are 0:26:49.956 --> 0:26:52.916 obsessed with her and like so much family. So it 0:26:53.036 --> 0:26:55.356 makes Yeah, it makes you think you're like. 0:26:55.436 --> 0:26:57.916 Ah, yeah, where do you want to be? 0:26:59.116 --> 0:27:02.116 Yeah? But that's the thing is like you can't I 0:27:02.156 --> 0:27:05.836 think the I can't plan. You can't really like plan, 0:27:06.076 --> 0:27:08.276 Like both me and my partner we can't. We can't 0:27:08.276 --> 0:27:10.916 really plan that much. But there might you know, there'll 0:27:10.956 --> 0:27:12.916 be like nice stretches of time when maybe like a 0:27:12.956 --> 0:27:15.796 movie will be shot there or something, or you kind 0:27:15.796 --> 0:27:18.516 of you plan as much as you can to be home, 0:27:18.596 --> 0:27:21.596 but there's an element of there is an element of like, 0:27:21.756 --> 0:27:25.156 we don't really know what things look like all the time, 0:27:25.196 --> 0:27:27.716 and things change, so you kind of you kind of 0:27:27.716 --> 0:27:29.236 got to be pretty go with the flow. 0:27:29.436 --> 0:27:32.476 Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's I mean, yeah, that's a 0:27:32.516 --> 0:27:33.836 wild until. 0:27:33.556 --> 0:27:35.956 Like school starts, and then that will be a different thing, right, 0:27:36.036 --> 0:27:38.316 Like it's I feel like you get a couple of years. 0:27:38.076 --> 0:27:41.036 At the beginning where maybe yeah, exactly. 0:27:40.596 --> 0:27:42.396 Where you can move them around a little bit more 0:27:42.436 --> 0:27:44.316 and then and then yeah, the in the future, it 0:27:44.316 --> 0:27:45.516 won't it won't be like that. 0:27:46.076 --> 0:27:47.676 Are you playing Are you playing your daughter music? 0:27:49.076 --> 0:27:51.876 Yes, I'm playing her a lot of music. Yeah, I 0:27:51.916 --> 0:27:56.996 feel like disco. She's into Fleetwood Mac. 0:27:58.196 --> 0:27:58.996 She likes. 0:27:59.276 --> 0:28:01.796 Yeah, I play her like Leila by Eric Clapton because 0:28:01.956 --> 0:28:03.556 my mum used to play that for me a lot. 0:28:04.436 --> 0:28:06.636 And then I'm and then I'm doing like Baby Motz 0:28:06.716 --> 0:28:08.316 and stuff because I'm just like trying. 0:28:07.996 --> 0:28:10.756 To you know, You're like you're you're like, oh, well, 0:28:10.796 --> 0:28:11.556 if you listen to. 0:28:13.356 --> 0:28:16.076 Yeah, which probably will be exactly. I don't know if 0:28:18.516 --> 0:28:18.956 we try. 0:28:19.076 --> 0:28:21.716 And then like playing piano actually like my, yeah, my, 0:28:22.436 --> 0:28:24.876 like we both play piano, so we kind of like 0:28:25.036 --> 0:28:27.796 that's actually really sweet to see to see her watch that. 0:28:27.956 --> 0:28:30.556 I'm upset. I'm like, she has to one thing I'm 0:28:30.556 --> 0:28:32.316 like going to be crazy about. I really want her 0:28:32.356 --> 0:28:34.196 to be able to play guitar and piano, and like, 0:28:34.476 --> 0:28:36.636 have you do your kids play instruments? 0:28:36.716 --> 0:28:39.916 Yeah, And I've gone through periods of pushing them to 0:28:40.076 --> 0:28:42.036 not pushing them, but being you know, like like what's 0:28:42.036 --> 0:28:42.636 probably good. 0:28:42.996 --> 0:28:46.276 Discipline, Come on, you need to play piano. 0:28:47.076 --> 0:28:48.956 And then and then but the times when like I 0:28:49.076 --> 0:28:51.396 pull them ato lessons and I don't, I don't talk 0:28:51.436 --> 0:28:53.756 about it much. Then I noticed, like, oh, I put 0:28:53.756 --> 0:28:57.076 my head on the corner. She's playing guitar or she's 0:28:57.076 --> 0:28:58.476 playing like that's cool. You know. 0:28:58.596 --> 0:29:01.996 So you probably can't exactly, you can't even force it. 0:29:02.316 --> 0:29:03.476 You just got to play the music. You got to 0:29:03.476 --> 0:29:04.916 play a lot of music, so you get a lot 0:29:04.956 --> 0:29:08.796 of exposure and build their tastes in the palette and 0:29:08.836 --> 0:29:10.036 then and then hope for the best. 0:29:10.196 --> 0:29:11.996 That's the best thing. Yeah, I feel like my parents 0:29:12.076 --> 0:29:14.836 didn't actually do that for me too much. We got 0:29:14.876 --> 0:29:17.596 like Tracy Chapman, and my dad was very into like 0:29:17.676 --> 0:29:20.916 Bruce Springsteen, but like I think there were four of 0:29:21.036 --> 0:29:23.956 us and my mom would just be like like the 0:29:23.996 --> 0:29:27.116 noise of just all of us at a certain point, 0:29:27.196 --> 0:29:30.556 like they weren't like super educational, but I don't know, 0:29:30.596 --> 0:29:34.076 in a weird way. That also made me really hungry 0:29:34.116 --> 0:29:36.476 to go and find find out about music. 0:29:36.516 --> 0:29:38.276 And I kind of you're sibling similar, do they have 0:29:38.316 --> 0:29:38.876 those similar? 0:29:39.356 --> 0:29:43.516 Yeah, my sister's actually, my sister's really good at He 0:29:43.636 --> 0:29:45.356 was kind of sim I kind of like we all 0:29:45.396 --> 0:29:47.516 like pass it around, and I guess I passed it 0:29:47.556 --> 0:29:49.676 down quite a lot. But I was like that was 0:29:49.716 --> 0:29:52.796 like my religion as finding out about everything when I 0:29:52.876 --> 0:29:57.676 was a teenager and you know, yeah, London when you're 0:29:57.716 --> 0:30:02.716 eighteen and kind of it was incredible, like I remember, yeah, 0:30:03.196 --> 0:30:06.076 just like getting out into night life and that was 0:30:06.116 --> 0:30:07.516 like a time where you could go to a bar 0:30:07.636 --> 0:30:10.756 and Camden and like the Baby Shambles will be around, 0:30:10.756 --> 0:30:12.916 an Amy Winehouse would be walking around and I'd be 0:30:12.996 --> 0:30:15.036 like a you know, teenager in London and. 0:30:15.476 --> 0:30:16.396 Taking all of that in. 0:30:16.556 --> 0:30:19.356 It's like there there were so many good like rock 0:30:19.476 --> 0:30:21.916 band shows happening that was like great, it was a 0:30:21.916 --> 0:30:24.556 great time for like indie music. 0:30:24.796 --> 0:30:25.396 It was great. 0:30:26.716 --> 0:30:28.956 Yeah, So there was that I kind of yeah, I 0:30:28.996 --> 0:30:30.756 had like I had the whole of London at my 0:30:30.756 --> 0:30:33.476 fingertips to kind of soak into. 0:30:33.516 --> 0:30:36.636 Yeah, from eighteen to sort of now through the making 0:30:36.676 --> 0:30:39.116 of the new album. How is your taste sort of 0:30:39.196 --> 0:30:42.196 changed evolved over over that course of time, if you can, 0:30:42.276 --> 0:30:44.396 If you can, I. 0:30:44.316 --> 0:30:45.756 Mean, there's not I don't know. 0:30:45.796 --> 0:30:47.836 I have like a pretty wide range of things that 0:30:47.916 --> 0:30:52.436 I love, Like you know, like there's it's I think, 0:30:52.756 --> 0:30:55.796 I think, I think it's like different to what I mean, 0:30:55.796 --> 0:30:58.036 there's always like things in your head as well, right, 0:30:58.116 --> 0:31:00.516 it's I get the I think when I first when 0:31:00.556 --> 0:31:04.516 I put my first record out, I was I think, 0:31:04.596 --> 0:31:07.636 like the what I wanted to make at the beginning 0:31:07.916 --> 0:31:11.396 especially was like I think I was really struck by 0:31:12.076 --> 0:31:12.676 lou Duian. 0:31:12.876 --> 0:31:13.556 You know who she is. 0:31:13.996 --> 0:31:19.316 She's Jane Berkan's daughter, and she she made this record 0:31:19.356 --> 0:31:21.356 and I guess like maybe I resonated with it. She'd 0:31:21.396 --> 0:31:23.236 been an actress and and fashion and all this kind 0:31:23.236 --> 0:31:25.996 of stuff, and like I felt this like I guess 0:31:26.036 --> 0:31:28.036 like that was someone I looked at and I went like, oh, 0:31:28.116 --> 0:31:31.436 you've made like this amazing record and there was a 0:31:31.476 --> 0:31:35.316 song called I See You and that that kind of 0:31:35.436 --> 0:31:38.476 music like I wanted to I don't know, I like 0:31:38.756 --> 0:31:40.476 when I was, you know, I felt, yeah, I felt 0:31:40.476 --> 0:31:42.996 like I wanted to make music like Marry and Faithful 0:31:43.116 --> 0:31:46.516 and like cat Power and Velvet Underground and like that 0:31:46.716 --> 0:31:49.116 was you know, that was and I and I guess 0:31:49.156 --> 0:31:51.156 I really didn't. I was like, oh, I know, I 0:31:51.156 --> 0:31:53.476 don't want to sound like I think if i'd like 0:31:53.476 --> 0:31:56.316 come out with something like really like you know, I 0:31:56.596 --> 0:31:59.876 didn't want anything like pop or and you know, nothing 0:31:59.996 --> 0:32:01.796 like that. And you know when you go into a studio, 0:32:01.796 --> 0:32:04.836 I want like real instruments and like and like brutally 0:32:04.876 --> 0:32:07.196 it's like I wanted to do. I wanted to literally 0:32:07.236 --> 0:32:10.636 just be in a room with the like with candles 0:32:10.636 --> 0:32:13.876 on and not do something to click and and just 0:32:13.996 --> 0:32:16.796 have something that was like very much like a feeling 0:32:18.116 --> 0:32:19.836 and not have Yeah, I think I was like kind 0:32:19.836 --> 0:32:23.196 of allergic to like things feeling feeling like produced and 0:32:23.516 --> 0:32:26.596 production like that. But now I'm not. Now I'm like, 0:32:26.996 --> 0:32:27.556 you know, more. 0:32:27.436 --> 0:32:27.796 Up into it. 0:32:27.796 --> 0:32:29.236 But it was also where I was in my head 0:32:29.236 --> 0:32:31.876 where I was like, I can't, I don't. It wouldn't 0:32:31.916 --> 0:32:33.516 it wouldn't feel right to like come out of the 0:32:33.556 --> 0:32:37.796 gate having come from like these different industries as well, 0:32:38.236 --> 0:32:39.596 to suddenly. 0:32:39.156 --> 0:32:40.036 Be like I'm a pop star. 0:32:40.316 --> 0:32:42.076 Like that was like my like I was like, oh, 0:32:42.116 --> 0:32:45.556 that would just never, that wouldn't work and it's not 0:32:45.716 --> 0:32:48.116 it would like never be aligned with what I liked. 0:32:48.156 --> 0:32:48.996 But it was also my. 0:32:48.996 --> 0:32:51.836 Tastes and what I really liked and everything, and you know, 0:32:51.916 --> 0:32:56.236 everything was quite like I guess yeah at that point, 0:32:56.316 --> 0:33:00.196 like and I was I'm was more new to songwriting, 0:33:00.276 --> 0:33:03.476 I guess, but like that everything was everything's quite like 0:33:04.116 --> 0:33:05.556 I don't know. I listened to it now and I'm like, 0:33:05.596 --> 0:33:08.076 but it was also my headspace. That's like everything's quite 0:33:08.156 --> 0:33:11.196 like there's like a dreariness to things, and I never 0:33:11.236 --> 0:33:13.716 wanted to like jump up or go big on something. 0:33:13.796 --> 0:33:16.156 It was like all like just like gott to be 0:33:16.356 --> 0:33:19.676 very like you know, like and I get and I 0:33:19.716 --> 0:33:21.756 get and that It's all about what your head space 0:33:21.836 --> 0:33:23.636 is in when you're making a record, right, like what 0:33:23.676 --> 0:33:27.116 you think you're like, what you allow where you like 0:33:27.156 --> 0:33:29.116 allow yourself to go and like where you are. 0:33:31.916 --> 0:33:34.076 Always want to put on Knocking on Heaven's Door. After 0:33:35.916 --> 0:33:39.276 just had that kind of open serial. 0:33:39.716 --> 0:33:41.916 I was with Brad Cook and I was like really 0:33:41.956 --> 0:33:45.916 obsessed with Brad Cook and he'd produced for Waxahatchie and 0:33:45.956 --> 0:33:47.956 there was a song there was a song called His 0:33:47.996 --> 0:33:52.796 Golden Messenger, I Buy his Golden Messenger called Cat's Eized Blue, 0:33:52.836 --> 0:33:54.516 and like that was like one of the times where 0:33:54.516 --> 0:33:59.556 I was like, Oh, that that song will fit this 0:33:59.556 --> 0:34:02.836 this that kind of like connects to this world. And 0:34:02.836 --> 0:34:04.596 and I was like, Oh, he'll never He'll never want 0:34:04.636 --> 0:34:06.196 to like work with me or like he's he does 0:34:06.236 --> 0:34:08.076 what I just I didn't have anything going with me. 0:34:08.116 --> 0:34:10.996 I had no label, nothing like and it's like he's 0:34:10.996 --> 0:34:13.196 would be like who are you? And luckily we had 0:34:13.236 --> 0:34:16.556 one friend in common, Dave Sitek from TV on the radio, 0:34:16.596 --> 0:34:19.116 who had been like working with for years and he's 0:34:19.156 --> 0:34:19.876 been like a buddy of. 0:34:19.836 --> 0:34:20.876 Have you made musical with Dave? 0:34:21.036 --> 0:34:23.716 Yeah, me and I know we've never released any of it. 0:34:23.996 --> 0:34:27.436 No. Me and Dave were like went to Texas one 0:34:28.076 --> 0:34:31.316 to like Reno one year and and made like you know, 0:34:31.476 --> 0:34:35.276 just like had made like bonfires and like hung out 0:34:35.276 --> 0:34:38.116 for like two weeks and and we just like talked 0:34:38.156 --> 0:34:41.156 so much and made so much music. But yeah, so 0:34:41.196 --> 0:34:43.436 I've not yeah known him for years and and Brad 0:34:43.436 --> 0:34:46.956 had produced one of his Neverly Boys albums. So so yeah, 0:34:46.996 --> 0:34:48.636 I kind of I think like I got I got 0:34:48.716 --> 0:34:51.836 Dave to you know, say, like, oh, she's she's like 0:34:51.916 --> 0:34:54.636 okay or whatever, she's like not she should you should work. 0:34:54.716 --> 0:34:56.156 You should do it with her. It will be cool. 0:34:56.236 --> 0:34:57.836 He gave you the stamp of a product. 0:34:57.996 --> 0:35:00.076 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we did and we did a 0:35:00.116 --> 0:35:02.676 bunch of stuff. We did like some production together as 0:35:02.716 --> 0:35:07.956 well at justin Vernham Studio in Wisconsin for this Reforto. 0:35:07.756 --> 0:35:08.916 Which was pretty cool. Yeah. 0:35:09.196 --> 0:35:09.676 Is he around? 0:35:09.836 --> 0:35:10.756 No, he wasn't around. 0:35:10.756 --> 0:35:13.116 Now. We were actually meant to a session but he 0:35:13.116 --> 0:35:13.996 he canceled on me. 0:35:14.476 --> 0:35:19.956 So he was busy, he was sick. But we Yeah, 0:35:19.996 --> 0:35:20.996 I would love to work with him. 0:35:21.036 --> 0:35:24.076 Wow. So what So how much how many songs did 0:35:24.116 --> 0:35:25.476 you have you made with Dave? 0:35:26.836 --> 0:35:28.796 We have a Yeah, we have a bunch. I don't 0:35:28.796 --> 0:35:29.116 know why. 0:35:29.196 --> 0:35:31.476 I don't know why we haven't like managed to finish 0:35:31.556 --> 0:35:33.796 them actually or like we just I don't know, we've 0:35:33.876 --> 0:35:35.396 kind of like gone out. But he was sort of 0:35:35.436 --> 0:35:40.316 my gateway into I don't know, just like but Dave's 0:35:40.316 --> 0:35:40.796 like done. 0:35:40.996 --> 0:35:42.836 I mean, he's done so many cool things. 0:35:43.196 --> 0:35:45.476 He's like you know the yeah, yeah, yeahs. He did 0:35:45.516 --> 0:35:48.916 a lot of that early stuff. So like, yeah, I 0:35:49.116 --> 0:35:52.476 would always go around to his house and and and 0:35:52.516 --> 0:35:55.036 like sit with him, and he's he has like it's 0:35:55.076 --> 0:35:59.036 really like perspective, and you know. 0:35:59.036 --> 0:36:02.076 He's he's been through. He's been through it. He's been 0:36:02.116 --> 0:36:03.516 through like the music industry. 0:36:03.556 --> 0:36:06.796 He's he kind of he has a great like bullshit 0:36:07.156 --> 0:36:11.396 what's called barometer. Yeah, and and yeah, he like taught 0:36:11.396 --> 0:36:13.556 me a lot actually and kind of like invested a 0:36:13.556 --> 0:36:17.356 lot of time in me. But I think I met 0:36:17.396 --> 0:36:20.356 him from a cold email. I would just cold email people. 0:36:20.756 --> 0:36:22.596 Yeah it's really. 0:36:22.316 --> 0:36:24.956 Good, that's like, yeah, I did. And then I did that. 0:36:25.076 --> 0:36:28.716 Also, there was a bunch of stuff like that before, 0:36:28.876 --> 0:36:30.956 you know, before I had like a team or anything. 0:36:30.996 --> 0:36:35.596 I called emailed Belle and Sebastian and I went and 0:36:35.676 --> 0:36:38.116 made a song with them, which I put out recently, 0:36:38.156 --> 0:36:40.076 because once I got like a manager and team and 0:36:40.316 --> 0:36:42.996 I sounded kind of like like a year in I 0:36:43.036 --> 0:36:44.396 was like, oh and I have the song with Bell 0:36:44.436 --> 0:36:46.676 and Sebastian. They were like what, like, what do you mean, 0:36:46.796 --> 0:36:47.516 like you have. 0:36:47.476 --> 0:36:49.876 A song with them? Like yeah, yeah, like went over there. 0:36:49.716 --> 0:36:51.396 Once and we hung out for a weekend and made 0:36:51.396 --> 0:36:53.516 the song. So I ended up putting that song out 0:36:54.076 --> 0:36:56.676 called every Day's a Lesson in Humility. But that was 0:36:56.676 --> 0:36:58.556 like such a that was a song that we'd recorded 0:36:58.596 --> 0:37:03.276 like such a long time ago. It's funny, Yeah, it's funny. 0:37:03.276 --> 0:37:05.076 That was like, yeah, I guess I was like trying. 0:37:05.156 --> 0:37:08.516 I guess I was always trying to you know, that's 0:37:08.556 --> 0:37:11.476 just what you do. You're trying to just get in 0:37:11.516 --> 0:37:15.596 the room and be with people that are inspiring and yeah, 0:37:15.876 --> 0:37:18.156 because you just never know what's going to happen, of. 0:37:18.156 --> 0:37:21.236 Course, no, especially with people, especially those you know, those 0:37:21.276 --> 0:37:23.436 people those that's pretty yeah. 0:37:23.076 --> 0:37:25.796 Yeah you want to like yeah yeah yeah, and things 0:37:25.796 --> 0:37:28.076 can Yeah. You just you're just it's like building a 0:37:28.116 --> 0:37:32.636 tap stream and and finding those people that yeah, because 0:37:32.676 --> 0:37:34.756 like you're nothing, you're you're you know, you're really nothing 0:37:34.836 --> 0:37:40.116 without like that like the yeah, the amazing collaborators that 0:37:40.156 --> 0:37:42.236 you have and the people that you that you want 0:37:42.236 --> 0:37:45.756 to like, you know that you that you want to 0:37:45.756 --> 0:37:48.316 hang out with for like weeks on end and ably 0:37:48.436 --> 0:37:50.836 and have like a and try and like make something 0:37:50.836 --> 0:37:52.476 together that you guys are super proud of. 0:37:54.036 --> 0:37:55.836 After this last break, we'll be back with the rest 0:37:55.876 --> 0:38:03.236 of my conversation with Suki Waterhouse. Here's the rest of 0:38:03.236 --> 0:38:07.036 my conversation with Suki Waterhouse. Do you know I'm gonna 0:38:07.236 --> 0:38:08.236 put you on the spot. Do you know if you've 0:38:08.236 --> 0:38:09.516 been on the radio? Is getting back together? 0:38:10.116 --> 0:38:13.996 I don't know. Actually, no, they are, Yeah, probably I 0:38:14.076 --> 0:38:17.156 think so. Maybe I don't know. I don't know that. Yeah, 0:38:18.116 --> 0:38:19.236 were getting back together? Right? 0:38:19.756 --> 0:38:20.876 Are you going to go see them? 0:38:20.956 --> 0:38:21.996 Oh my god, I have to. 0:38:22.516 --> 0:38:24.516 I might. I just did a cover of Fairs the 0:38:24.516 --> 0:38:26.476 other day at All Point Season in London. 0:38:27.156 --> 0:38:28.036 Yeah, what you do? 0:38:28.276 --> 0:38:30.676 I did Don't Look Back and Anger, which was so fun. 0:38:31.116 --> 0:38:32.036 It was so fun. 0:38:32.996 --> 0:38:35.636 But like the crowd in London just like, oh my god, 0:38:35.676 --> 0:38:40.276 it's just like amazing how everybody, especially in England, it 0:38:40.476 --> 0:38:43.276 just it just like does something to people where that 0:38:44.196 --> 0:38:45.476 everyone's just their music. 0:38:45.796 --> 0:38:46.676 Yeah, it does. 0:38:46.796 --> 0:38:48.356 I like, I feel like it's going to be just 0:38:48.396 --> 0:38:50.516 like the best. It's going to be like us kind 0:38:50.556 --> 0:38:53.556 of winning like a huge football game or something. 0:38:53.596 --> 0:38:58.396 Winning a World Cup or something. Maybe not quite that. 0:38:58.396 --> 0:39:00.076 Long, not quite the level, but I think it's going 0:39:00.076 --> 0:39:02.396 to really do a lot for like making everyone really 0:39:02.396 --> 0:39:04.716 happy and like uniting the country, and it's going to 0:39:04.756 --> 0:39:06.636 be I can't wait. 0:39:07.316 --> 0:39:08.036 Yes you are. 0:39:08.036 --> 0:39:10.716 Also you were that that festival was a few days 0:39:10.716 --> 0:39:13.116 after you open for Taylor Swift Too, right in Wembley. 0:39:13.316 --> 0:39:15.476 Yeah, that was on the Saturday and then an All 0:39:15.516 --> 0:39:16.636 Point Seas was on the Sunday. 0:39:16.676 --> 0:39:17.876 So that was like really fun weekend. 0:39:17.956 --> 0:39:19.036 What a wild weekend. 0:39:19.116 --> 0:39:19.836 It was so good. 0:39:19.876 --> 0:39:23.916 What a crazy plane Wembley would just like that's that's insane. 0:39:23.956 --> 0:39:25.876 I think that's probably you know, people always talk about 0:39:25.876 --> 0:39:29.516 Madison Square Garden and there's different venues, but I don't 0:39:29.516 --> 0:39:32.116 know just I think that's because a queen. There's some 0:39:32.196 --> 0:39:34.756 great like Cross of Stills and Nash stuff those. I mean, 0:39:34.796 --> 0:39:36.756 just Wembley to me just feels like insane. 0:39:36.916 --> 0:39:40.076 You know, it's crazy. Yeah, it was insane. 0:39:39.956 --> 0:39:41.836 And it's Taylor Swift too on top of it. 0:39:41.916 --> 0:39:43.116 And like I've been to Wembley. 0:39:43.196 --> 0:39:45.756 I think I think it was like twenty seventeen or something, 0:39:46.436 --> 0:39:48.116 but I went to go and see a reputation there 0:39:48.116 --> 0:39:49.476 like a couple of years ago, and it was just 0:39:49.476 --> 0:39:52.636 like shaking my ass, like ah, you know, with my 0:39:52.716 --> 0:39:54.996 sisters and my friends, and I just yeah, you just 0:39:55.076 --> 0:39:57.396 couldn't have told me that that was ever going to happen, Like, 0:39:57.436 --> 0:40:01.756 I just it's just like what, it's nuts. And they 0:40:01.836 --> 0:40:04.356 have these like sliding doors and you walk out there 0:40:05.916 --> 0:40:08.716 and I kind of just you know, it's very strange 0:40:08.756 --> 0:40:10.916 to like the most amount of people I've probably ever 0:40:10.916 --> 0:40:16.476 played to is like maybe like Lolapalooza in Chile and Argentina, 0:40:16.596 --> 0:40:20.756 like maybe like maybe like ten thousand or something, and 0:40:20.796 --> 0:40:24.236 then you're in a stadium that's like got like about yeah, 0:40:24.236 --> 0:40:27.916 I think it's like ninety two thousand or something, and. 0:40:27.956 --> 0:40:30.196 There's yeah, yeah, it's crazy. 0:40:30.396 --> 0:40:30.916 It was like. 0:40:32.836 --> 0:40:35.516 The best thing about that was also just yeah, not 0:40:35.596 --> 0:40:38.996 only I mean like it's like going to one of 0:40:39.036 --> 0:40:39.996 your favorite shows ever. 0:40:40.036 --> 0:40:42.156 Like I've been to the Ariostool before. It's like such 0:40:42.196 --> 0:40:42.836 a fun night. 0:40:43.236 --> 0:40:45.076 So did you go to the other one blee shows 0:40:45.076 --> 0:40:45.956 like earlier years? 0:40:45.956 --> 0:40:47.996 I went to UH, I went to New York. I 0:40:48.036 --> 0:40:50.436 went to New York last year and it was so fun, 0:40:51.036 --> 0:40:53.996 Like it's so it's insane. And then also just getting 0:40:53.996 --> 0:40:57.636 to do that like with my family as well, Like 0:40:58.076 --> 0:41:00.916 my dad had kept being like because it hadn't announced 0:41:00.956 --> 0:41:02.516 for ages and I told him about it and he 0:41:02.636 --> 0:41:05.596 was like, I guess it's not happening. Then I guess, 0:41:06.116 --> 0:41:08.556 I guess it's I guess didn't have your right. 0:41:08.756 --> 0:41:10.356 It's sorry for you. And I'm like, no doubt it 0:41:10.396 --> 0:41:10.876 is happening. 0:41:10.876 --> 0:41:12.796 Like you know, they don't believe anything until it's like 0:41:12.956 --> 0:41:15.756 in until like their friends can see it or whatever, 0:41:15.796 --> 0:41:17.996 and like in like the press and I'm like the dad, 0:41:18.036 --> 0:41:20.556 I swear Something's like not yeah, what that would have 0:41:20.556 --> 0:41:22.116 been fun. I'm like, no, no, no, We're going to go 0:41:22.156 --> 0:41:23.836 to Wembley like it's it is. 0:41:24.276 --> 0:41:24.916 It is a thing. 0:41:24.956 --> 0:41:26.956 And then he was just kind of like, you know, 0:41:27.036 --> 0:41:29.396 it was like he couldn't he couldn't believe it. So 0:41:29.516 --> 0:41:32.636 like doing that thing, having that moment in your hometown 0:41:32.756 --> 0:41:37.156 with your family, with all your friends around, was like 0:41:37.236 --> 0:41:39.076 one of the coolest days of my life. 0:41:39.156 --> 0:41:41.716 Yeah, it's really wild. That is really it's really wild. 0:41:41.796 --> 0:41:45.876 Fun Wan circle back quick. You mentioned that you played 0:41:45.876 --> 0:41:48.636 piano and your partner played piano. Did you learn how 0:41:48.636 --> 0:41:50.196 to play piano through Daisy Jones? 0:41:50.236 --> 0:41:52.076 In this I mean, I like played a little bit before, 0:41:52.116 --> 0:41:55.156 but there's nothing like learning. Yes, being and like having 0:41:55.236 --> 0:41:57.516 a teacher for three hours a day and like actually, 0:41:57.956 --> 0:42:00.796 you know, really getting into it and doing like all 0:42:00.836 --> 0:42:02.116 the crazy shit that we had to. 0:42:02.076 --> 0:42:04.396 Do, which is what you had for We learned, like. 0:42:04.436 --> 0:42:06.716 You know, we learned like so many songs, and there 0:42:06.796 --> 0:42:09.396 was like a Beethoven thing at some point that they 0:42:09.396 --> 0:42:11.316 were like this is going to be You're going to 0:42:11.436 --> 0:42:14.756 be filmed doing like this big like piano moment, and 0:42:14.796 --> 0:42:19.316 I learned it for literally, I'm not joking, like yeah, 0:42:19.836 --> 0:42:24.636 like every day obsessively, obsessively obsessively and then they're like, 0:42:24.716 --> 0:42:26.196 oh no, we're actually not going to do that. So 0:42:26.316 --> 0:42:28.756 but it was like amazing because I got you know, 0:42:28.836 --> 0:42:31.036 I got to like do that and it was and 0:42:31.116 --> 0:42:34.556 also that like year coming up to that we had 0:42:34.596 --> 0:42:35.996 before that was COVID and everything. 0:42:35.996 --> 0:42:36.796 It was like, thank god. 0:42:36.876 --> 0:42:39.676 It was like the best thing ever to literally just 0:42:40.116 --> 0:42:41.956 do zoom practice. 0:42:41.556 --> 0:42:42.756 For like three hours a day. 0:42:42.796 --> 0:42:45.636 I was like obsessed and it was so great for 0:42:45.676 --> 0:42:48.316 me and writing as well to get so much better 0:42:48.356 --> 0:42:51.276 at it. Yeah, but yeah, I'm always like yeah, I'm 0:42:51.316 --> 0:42:54.156 always doing I'm still and now I'm like doing it 0:42:54.156 --> 0:42:57.716 all the time. I still have piano lessons and it's 0:42:57.756 --> 0:43:00.156 just good. It's just like the best thing ever to 0:43:00.436 --> 0:43:03.916 make you. It makes you. It's just like so therapeutic 0:43:03.996 --> 0:43:04.356 as well. 0:43:04.636 --> 0:43:08.076 Absolutely, do you do you primarily write on piano or 0:43:08.116 --> 0:43:10.516 guitar or do you not on an instrument? How are you? 0:43:10.636 --> 0:43:13.876 I probably right on usually I'm always right. I'm kind 0:43:13.876 --> 0:43:16.236 of like start going on guitar and like I'm okay 0:43:16.356 --> 0:43:19.316 at guitar, Like I can get through. But you don't, Yeah, 0:43:19.396 --> 0:43:22.796 you don't actually like I'll do piano or guitar. But 0:43:23.316 --> 0:43:26.396 I never like I never think you need you don't 0:43:26.436 --> 0:43:29.396 actually need to be like prolific in a lot of ways. 0:43:29.436 --> 0:43:30.116 It's kind of. 0:43:31.796 --> 0:43:34.476 Yeah, like some I think it's more it's like more 0:43:34.516 --> 0:43:39.476 the practice of just going with like going and actually 0:43:39.516 --> 0:43:42.116 sitting and like forcing yourself and being like you're not 0:43:42.436 --> 0:43:44.316 you're not allowed to leave, and you've got to like 0:43:45.076 --> 0:43:49.196 you've got to actually be present. And that's the way 0:43:49.236 --> 0:43:51.676 that I find out like what's truly on my mind? 0:43:51.716 --> 0:43:52.796 Because I don't know. 0:43:52.836 --> 0:43:56.036 It's very it's very easy to It's yeah, it's like 0:43:56.036 --> 0:43:58.156 a practice doing that because it's very easy to like 0:43:58.396 --> 0:44:01.916 not even know what you're feeling or what you're you know, 0:44:01.956 --> 0:44:04.756 when your life is just like going, is. 0:44:04.676 --> 0:44:06.356 It an outlet? For you, like, do you do that 0:44:06.556 --> 0:44:08.876 in other words, do you do that as a way 0:44:08.916 --> 0:44:11.356 of to just sort of decompress or is it with 0:44:11.436 --> 0:44:13.436 the purpose of, like I want to write an album 0:44:13.836 --> 0:44:15.796 or write some songs and see what comes out. 0:44:15.876 --> 0:44:18.356 Or no, because I don't think I'm ever like like 0:44:18.396 --> 0:44:22.076 i've I'm like, you know, in a way, I'm not. 0:44:22.236 --> 0:44:24.156 I don't really work where I'm like, I'm going to 0:44:24.196 --> 0:44:27.716 write an album, so I'm going to go and you know, 0:44:27.836 --> 0:44:29.916 I've got two months to make a record and that's 0:44:29.916 --> 0:44:31.196 where I'm going to write all the songs. 0:44:31.196 --> 0:44:33.236 So that sounds like absolute hell to me. 0:44:33.676 --> 0:44:36.036 It's like not what I would whatever want to be doing. 0:44:36.036 --> 0:44:39.316 I want to be like hit by something and be 0:44:39.476 --> 0:44:41.356 sparked by it and then go and write the song. 0:44:41.796 --> 0:44:44.756 And then if I like that, if that song is 0:44:44.796 --> 0:44:47.196 still coming back to me and it's still and I 0:44:47.236 --> 0:44:49.876 haven't like you know, if it's if it makes it 0:44:49.996 --> 0:44:52.516 at the end and I still am in love with it, 0:44:52.596 --> 0:44:56.356 then it you know, it's like you can, yeah, it 0:44:56.396 --> 0:44:58.476 has to like stay in my heart, I guess for 0:44:58.516 --> 0:45:00.796 a long time, but yeah I can't. I kind of 0:45:00.836 --> 0:45:07.116 am always in that writing mode in a way because yeah, 0:45:07.236 --> 0:45:08.596 not that I have like a song that I want 0:45:08.636 --> 0:45:10.156 to write about every day, like at all. 0:45:10.356 --> 0:45:12.516 But but you force yourself to sort of sit down 0:45:12.676 --> 0:45:16.596 quietly and yeah, work out some stuff and maybe someone 0:45:16.636 --> 0:45:17.236 comes out or not. 0:45:17.756 --> 0:45:21.076 It sounds like right, yeah, yeah, it's. 0:45:20.716 --> 0:45:22.836 Some dedicated songwriting time. 0:45:23.476 --> 0:45:25.716 Yeah, but it's like that frustrating thing because you might 0:45:25.876 --> 0:45:28.436 you might also sit there and absolutely nothing comes out, 0:45:28.516 --> 0:45:31.996 and that's like, you know, it's like so you also 0:45:32.076 --> 0:45:34.476 can't be like have something come out. Like it's kind 0:45:34.476 --> 0:45:36.836 of it's just like about yeah, I guess it's like 0:45:36.996 --> 0:45:43.156 about trying to like shut off even whatever the hell 0:45:43.196 --> 0:45:45.196 you can distract yourself with. And I will fight with 0:45:45.236 --> 0:45:48.276 myself like it's you know, it's yeah, it's difficult to 0:45:49.676 --> 0:45:52.076 and a lot of the times it's like a yeah, 0:45:52.076 --> 0:45:54.156 it's like a moment or it's like a conversation about 0:45:54.156 --> 0:45:55.916 someone getting drunk or like did it. It's like a 0:45:55.996 --> 0:45:58.196 thing and I've got like okay, and now I've got 0:45:58.196 --> 0:45:59.916 to go and I want to go and write it 0:45:59.996 --> 0:46:03.236 and and get that out now because I'll like forget 0:46:03.276 --> 0:46:04.116 about it or I won't. 0:46:04.156 --> 0:46:06.276 It won't feel it feels. 0:46:06.356 --> 0:46:08.476 Yeah, it feels like these little moments where something I 0:46:08.516 --> 0:46:12.876 get like get like super sparked by by whatever it is. 0:46:12.916 --> 0:46:14.676 And I don't know, I think, yeah, I think I'm 0:46:14.876 --> 0:46:19.276 I'm quite like I'm definitely an artist that will go 0:46:19.436 --> 0:46:22.356 and look for things in all kinds of places. 0:46:22.396 --> 0:46:24.836 Like it's yeah. 0:46:24.676 --> 0:46:28.716 It's it's that there's like so much and it and 0:46:28.756 --> 0:46:31.716 it also is like such a joy because if and 0:46:31.756 --> 0:46:34.316 it's always like bled in you know, it's always bled 0:46:34.356 --> 0:46:38.596 from fashion and film as well, and it and like 0:46:39.116 --> 0:46:41.876 and from like my own personal life very much so. 0:46:42.316 --> 0:46:44.996 But like it kind of all feels like very open 0:46:45.036 --> 0:46:48.036 and open to you know that it could that kind 0:46:48.036 --> 0:46:51.156 of something might come from from anywhere in a way. 0:46:51.316 --> 0:46:54.396 Yeah, your videos are cool too. I actually really like you. 0:46:54.916 --> 0:46:56.716 But yeah, I can't I can't wait for you to 0:46:56.756 --> 0:46:59.596 watch the new video I just made for Do you 0:46:59.636 --> 0:47:01.316 listen to that song model actress whatever? 0:47:01.596 --> 0:47:03.876 I was going to bring that up for it. 0:47:03.956 --> 0:47:06.716 I'm never been more excited about a video in my life. 0:47:06.916 --> 0:47:10.396 Like I feel like it's just like completely different from 0:47:10.436 --> 0:47:13.516 what I've ever done. It's really like taking the piss 0:47:13.516 --> 0:47:15.996 out of myself and in like a kind of very 0:47:16.036 --> 0:47:21.956 empowering way. But it's like genuinely really funny and I 0:47:21.996 --> 0:47:24.276 don't know, I've never done something that's like funny and 0:47:24.316 --> 0:47:27.476 it's got script in it, and like there's just like, yeah, 0:47:27.516 --> 0:47:30.796 I feel like there's like so much personality that comes 0:47:30.796 --> 0:47:33.876 out in it and kind of the yeah that I 0:47:34.356 --> 0:47:36.436 just quite got to put so much of myself into it. 0:47:36.516 --> 0:47:38.196 I really can't wait for you to see that one. 0:47:38.236 --> 0:47:39.036 I'm excited to see you. 0:47:39.116 --> 0:47:41.076 But yeah, so like fashion what I was saying, it's 0:47:41.116 --> 0:47:44.716 like so much you know, there's so much that that 0:47:44.836 --> 0:47:47.996 I can pull from and bring into like creating like 0:47:48.036 --> 0:47:52.036 a world around the music, which is really like the 0:47:52.076 --> 0:47:54.716 most you know, like yeah, you want, you want the 0:47:54.796 --> 0:47:58.756 music to be awesome, but there's so much else around 0:47:58.836 --> 0:48:02.236 that little three minute song yeah that you're you know, 0:48:02.356 --> 0:48:07.156 that you're putting into making, yeah, making it an experience 0:48:07.236 --> 0:48:07.716 for people. 0:48:07.836 --> 0:48:09.756 It's cool the ye all these I mean, it's it's 0:48:09.796 --> 0:48:12.156 like you've kind of I mean, I guess you just 0:48:12.236 --> 0:48:13.876 you said you're taking like kind of like the piss 0:48:13.876 --> 0:48:15.756 out of you. First of all, when I. 0:48:15.636 --> 0:48:18.036 First take myself exactly. 0:48:17.716 --> 0:48:20.276 When I first heard your I think I didn't get 0:48:20.316 --> 0:48:22.436 hip to you till your first album and I heard 0:48:22.516 --> 0:48:25.636 Move and I was kind of done it, like I 0:48:25.796 --> 0:48:28.876 was the Susie Quadro line. I was like, I'm inn 0:48:28.996 --> 0:48:30.596 like this is like it was, that's so funny. 0:48:30.636 --> 0:48:32.876 That line was something that like I always have like 0:48:32.916 --> 0:48:35.476 little lines and all things you know that you write 0:48:35.556 --> 0:48:38.036 down on something, oh, something someone said to me, And 0:48:38.076 --> 0:48:41.156 that line was like I was backstage at a white 0:48:41.156 --> 0:48:42.676 stripe show like years. 0:48:42.396 --> 0:48:44.716 And years and years before and years ago there. 0:48:44.796 --> 0:48:46.796 Yeah, yeah, and I was, and I was wearing like 0:48:47.396 --> 0:48:49.596 some like leather thing and I was quite young, and 0:48:49.716 --> 0:48:52.876 Jack White like walked back, like walked past me and 0:48:53.036 --> 0:48:55.996 was like, oh, you look like Susie Quatro and that, 0:48:56.436 --> 0:48:58.756 and that was like I didn't know who Susie Quatro was, 0:48:58.796 --> 0:49:01.156 but I was like, I was like, who's that? And 0:49:01.196 --> 0:49:03.116 I like went home and got really into her music, 0:49:03.156 --> 0:49:05.396 and I was like, and you know, I wrote down 0:49:05.476 --> 0:49:06.916 like dear Harry. 0:49:06.756 --> 0:49:10.156 Like like Jack White said that I like Susie Quatrix. 0:49:10.356 --> 0:49:12.396 So I ended up like putting that in a song 0:49:12.436 --> 0:49:14.876 that was kind of about like a totally different thing 0:49:14.996 --> 0:49:17.396 about like a certain night that had with somebody who 0:49:17.636 --> 0:49:19.716 who didn't say that I looked like Susiequadron, but I 0:49:19.716 --> 0:49:20.636 had that line in there. 0:49:20.876 --> 0:49:23.636 Yeah, So sorry. That was a sidebar No, it's incredible. 0:49:24.516 --> 0:49:28.716 Jack White told me I look like Malcolm Glad very different. 0:49:28.796 --> 0:49:33.636 Jack White stories Susie Quadron, I love Malcai's a friend, 0:49:33.636 --> 0:49:35.836 but Jesus Christ, Suzi Quadrill is cool as hell. 0:49:35.956 --> 0:49:36.676 Yeah that was cool. 0:49:37.196 --> 0:49:39.636 That's that's it's incredible that came from from from him, 0:49:39.676 --> 0:49:43.836 from a from a Detroit No, the Detroit legend. But yeah, 0:49:43.836 --> 0:49:45.556 I was in. I was in at that. So I 0:49:45.596 --> 0:49:47.756 remember hearing that, heard that line, that's fucking incredible. I 0:49:47.796 --> 0:49:50.356 heard the rest of songs, songs amazing, heard the album, 0:49:50.436 --> 0:49:51.836 loved that album, and then I was like, looked at Hi. 0:49:51.836 --> 0:49:52.916 I was like, oh, I didn't. I didn't even know 0:49:52.996 --> 0:49:55.636 you were a model and an actress. But it's incredible 0:49:55.636 --> 0:49:59.676 that you have all these different sort of areas to play, 0:49:59.756 --> 0:50:02.316 being able to go do Daisy Joneson's six or whatever 0:50:02.356 --> 0:50:04.436 comes next in terms of your acting, and then go 0:50:04.436 --> 0:50:07.116 do an album. It's like if something ever gets frustrated 0:50:07.116 --> 0:50:08.756 and isn't fun anymore, you can kind of go focus 0:50:08.796 --> 0:50:09.516 on the other thing. 0:50:09.996 --> 0:50:13.196 Yeah, I'm really I'm really lucky to have had that experience, 0:50:13.516 --> 0:50:15.836 especially like I mean, it's it felt like that to 0:50:15.876 --> 0:50:17.836 be honest with you, like who knows what the next 0:50:17.876 --> 0:50:21.276 few years will be like. And it was very unique 0:50:21.316 --> 0:50:23.356 the last couple of years to do to get to 0:50:23.396 --> 0:50:26.596 do such an amazing show, and then you know, when 0:50:26.636 --> 0:50:28.756 I even signed on to that show, I hadn't even 0:50:28.756 --> 0:50:29.596 made a. 0:50:29.516 --> 0:50:32.476 Record, so it was no, what did you sign on 0:50:32.676 --> 0:50:34.396 like January twenty twenty, Wow? 0:50:34.476 --> 0:50:35.716 Uh no, But. 0:50:35.876 --> 0:50:38.596 Before that and then and then we went to rehearsals, 0:50:38.636 --> 0:50:40.756 then everything closed down. Then we had to push for 0:50:40.756 --> 0:50:43.396 a year and made very record in between. Then when 0:50:43.436 --> 0:50:45.836 the world shut down, then we went back shot it. 0:50:46.156 --> 0:50:49.116 And the day Daisy Jones finished was when my record 0:50:49.156 --> 0:50:51.956 came out. And then we'd been acting going on tour, 0:50:52.036 --> 0:50:54.436 and then I went on tour. So it was a 0:50:54.556 --> 0:50:57.596 very unique, strange like that was like a very unique 0:50:57.636 --> 0:51:00.836 situation where like, oh, it's been like I feel like, yeah, 0:51:00.836 --> 0:51:04.716 when I look at like, oh, being able to act 0:51:04.756 --> 0:51:07.196 and do music and do that that I really think 0:51:07.236 --> 0:51:10.596 like the lost yeah, the last two it's a unique situation. 0:51:10.716 --> 0:51:13.316 And it was like it wasn't like very sustainable, Like 0:51:13.356 --> 0:51:14.916 I was waking up at like four in the morning 0:51:14.956 --> 0:51:16.716 doing interviews for the album. 0:51:16.476 --> 0:51:18.716 Release, like it was like incredibly hactic. 0:51:18.756 --> 0:51:21.116 It probably wouldn't like something that like that I don't 0:51:21.156 --> 0:51:23.236 think would work now, like especially now I have like 0:51:23.276 --> 0:51:26.636 a kid, Yeah, exactly. So it was very it was 0:51:26.676 --> 0:51:28.916 like a very unique kind of set of events and 0:51:28.996 --> 0:51:32.956 like and also like and kind of finally having that 0:51:32.996 --> 0:51:35.796 moment where I could where I could kind of where 0:51:35.836 --> 0:51:38.316 I yeah got it together to even like put a 0:51:38.396 --> 0:51:40.556 record out and like push myself in that way because 0:51:40.556 --> 0:51:43.516 I was yeah, I was like scared. I was like, yeah, 0:51:43.556 --> 0:51:45.596 it was really like a hell back for a long 0:51:45.636 --> 0:51:49.156 time because of like, yeah, I guess like a lot 0:51:49.196 --> 0:51:51.316 of like fear of and it's just timing. 0:51:51.356 --> 0:51:51.716 I don't know. 0:51:51.796 --> 0:51:56.796 Sometimes sometimes just suddenly something your your instincts suddenly go okay, 0:51:57.196 --> 0:52:00.076 it's it's time to. It's it's like time to, it's 0:52:00.116 --> 0:52:02.716 it's your you know. It's like a moment where and 0:52:02.796 --> 0:52:05.356 I had, yeah I had, I had low expectations and 0:52:05.396 --> 0:52:07.996 it turned out like better than I thought it would, 0:52:08.116 --> 0:52:10.036 which is cool. But you just never I don't know, 0:52:10.076 --> 0:52:13.316 you never know which way you're going in this crazy 0:52:13.596 --> 0:52:16.196 world that we are in. So yeah, it's been Yeah, 0:52:16.236 --> 0:52:18.836 I wouldn't It's not like yeah, I don't know if 0:52:18.836 --> 0:52:19.676 it will always be. 0:52:19.676 --> 0:52:23.076 Like you know, seems so seamless as well, you. 0:52:23.116 --> 0:52:24.476 Know, but also fil must have kind of be like 0:52:24.516 --> 0:52:26.396 a which ways up kind of thing too, like you know, 0:52:26.436 --> 0:52:29.076 in terms of you're on stage, and the performances in 0:52:29.156 --> 0:52:33.556 Daisy Johones and the Six were like incredibly like not 0:52:33.676 --> 0:52:36.236 realistic the word, but I mean they were incredibly convincing. 0:52:36.276 --> 0:52:36.516 You guys. 0:52:36.836 --> 0:52:39.196 They really made us like, actually do they like we 0:52:39.436 --> 0:52:43.316 We had to play every single note they wanted to. Yeah, 0:52:43.356 --> 0:52:45.716 they wanted the cameras, so we rehearsed hours and hours 0:52:45.756 --> 0:52:47.956 a day. They wanted the cameras to be able to 0:52:48.076 --> 0:52:49.876 roam and that you would be hitting the right note 0:52:49.876 --> 0:52:50.556 at the right time. 0:52:50.636 --> 0:52:52.636 So it was like they really weren't messing around. 0:52:52.676 --> 0:52:55.356 They weren't playing with us like they were like when 0:52:55.356 --> 0:52:57.156 we signed on, it was like this is going to 0:52:57.196 --> 0:53:00.036 be an incredibly intense like we want. 0:52:59.836 --> 0:53:01.556 Every you know. 0:53:01.636 --> 0:53:03.196 And that was kind of scary because at the beginning, 0:53:03.196 --> 0:53:05.876 I was like, you know, it's like a job interfere. 0:53:05.556 --> 0:53:08.996 Like yeah, yeah, we all were doing that. 0:53:09.196 --> 0:53:11.516 We were all like oh yeah, and then and then 0:53:11.596 --> 0:53:14.596 you know, you just but yeah, you and we come on. 0:53:14.716 --> 0:53:18.756 I mean, she's got such an amazing voice. 0:53:18.796 --> 0:53:22.316 Her voice is really really stunning, and she should really. 0:53:24.756 --> 0:53:25.596 She sounds great. 0:53:25.756 --> 0:53:26.516 Yeah, she has like. 0:53:26.556 --> 0:53:30.236 An incredibly unique like she can really belt and it's beautiful, 0:53:30.276 --> 0:53:32.276 and she just knew what to do on stage, Like 0:53:32.356 --> 0:53:33.236 it was unbelievable. 0:53:33.276 --> 0:53:34.916 It has to be in her DNA somewhere. 0:53:34.996 --> 0:53:38.036 Oh my god, I mean everything, Like she's just like 0:53:38.236 --> 0:53:41.516 such an amazing actress and like such a fun human 0:53:41.956 --> 0:53:43.756 to be around, like everyone was. 0:53:44.956 --> 0:53:47.116 But yeah, so that was that was that. 0:53:47.276 --> 0:53:49.196 Yeah, we we kind of like knew going in that 0:53:49.276 --> 0:53:50.596 it was really going to be like that. 0:53:50.716 --> 0:53:51.516 You know, it was serious. 0:53:51.556 --> 0:53:54.596 It was boot camp and we did so much, so 0:53:54.756 --> 0:53:56.916 much work before we actually got on stage, but it 0:53:56.996 --> 0:53:58.196 was Yeah, it made it. 0:53:58.196 --> 0:53:59.436 It made it like so much. 0:53:59.636 --> 0:54:02.756 It made it like so rewarding actually and so funny 0:54:02.796 --> 0:54:04.796 as well to do that with a group of people, 0:54:04.876 --> 0:54:07.716 you know, like it's so funny to be like basically 0:54:07.836 --> 0:54:11.516 suck and like and all just like get better together 0:54:11.636 --> 0:54:13.716 and actually like by the end be like, yeah, we 0:54:13.876 --> 0:54:14.636 like we did this. 0:54:14.876 --> 0:54:18.236 You guys could actually do an album that wasn't the soundtrack. 0:54:18.356 --> 0:54:20.756 I know, it would be so fun. Yeah, it would 0:54:20.796 --> 0:54:21.076 be fun. 0:54:21.196 --> 0:54:22.796 We were trying to we were trying to go on 0:54:22.836 --> 0:54:25.076 stage and everything, and then there was like strikes and 0:54:25.116 --> 0:54:26.356 all kinds of things that happened. 0:54:26.836 --> 0:54:32.076 Yeah, before you go, what what's the store? Lawsuit? Peacked 0:54:32.156 --> 0:54:32.716 my my? 0:54:33.036 --> 0:54:33.956 Oh yeah, do you like it? 0:54:34.356 --> 0:54:37.556 I do? And then yeah, but like it was that 0:54:38.556 --> 0:54:40.956 was that? What I mean? Did it? Does that come 0:54:41.036 --> 0:54:42.716 up from your life or is it just I feel 0:54:42.796 --> 0:54:43.236 like that. 0:54:43.116 --> 0:54:45.716 One was like a cheeky like we wanted like a 0:54:45.876 --> 0:54:49.076 metaphor for like I can't Yeah, I kind of like 0:54:49.196 --> 0:54:52.036 love the idea of yeah, it's probably what you're going 0:54:52.076 --> 0:54:54.076 back to you like sounding quite mean, actually, isn't it. 0:54:54.076 --> 0:54:57.516 It's like you're like, that's scary. That is scary. 0:54:57.716 --> 0:55:01.196 But I thought that word was quite like an entertaining 0:55:01.396 --> 0:55:03.716 kind of idea of like, yeah, all the girls lyning 0:55:03.756 --> 0:55:07.956 around the bathroom and like everyone's everyone's exchanging information and 0:55:07.996 --> 0:55:10.836 like there's a bunch of that like know, you know, 0:55:10.876 --> 0:55:14.436 we've all like got we've all like actually discussed what 0:55:14.476 --> 0:55:16.196 you're like, and we've got this like yeah, it's like 0:55:16.196 --> 0:55:18.916 a metaphorical kind of like we've we've got like the 0:55:18.956 --> 0:55:21.156 lawsuit of all the ship that you've that you've. 0:55:20.996 --> 0:55:24.356 Done, you know. Yeah, but that was Yeah, I don't know, 0:55:24.396 --> 0:55:25.516 I think like that kind. 0:55:25.396 --> 0:55:26.916 Of how did you hit on that as a metaphor 0:55:26.996 --> 0:55:27.996 sorry that kind. 0:55:27.796 --> 0:55:30.556 Of well, it was like kind of that sort of yeah, 0:55:30.556 --> 0:55:33.356 I guess I kind of wanted like a Chryl Crowe song. 0:55:33.836 --> 0:55:36.556 I think that was like where where I went to 0:55:36.716 --> 0:55:38.716 with that, like, you know, having that kind of like 0:55:38.796 --> 0:55:43.876 laid back. I love Lucinder Williams. I love like that 0:55:43.996 --> 0:55:47.476 plain song problem with It. That was like another so 0:55:47.596 --> 0:55:51.396 good Katie from Maxahachius and it's like the most beautiful 0:55:51.436 --> 0:55:55.836 song problem with It. But yeah, like something you know, 0:55:55.916 --> 0:55:58.116 and and like going on tour as well, like you 0:55:58.196 --> 0:56:00.756 start going, yeah, I don't know, like changed me a lot, 0:56:00.916 --> 0:56:03.996 like starting to go and do shows and you think, 0:56:04.076 --> 0:56:06.116 like you start going like what would be. 0:56:06.116 --> 0:56:08.756 Like, yeah, good luck with that last suit you know 0:56:08.796 --> 0:56:09.076 you got. 0:56:09.396 --> 0:56:11.316 I just knew that kind of kept going around my 0:56:11.316 --> 0:56:13.556 head and I was like, oh, that's that would be 0:56:13.596 --> 0:56:16.916 like a really fun thing for people to pay for, 0:56:16.916 --> 0:56:18.596 for people to like be singing a show. 0:56:18.676 --> 0:56:22.276 That's pretty amazing. And I mean I was curious to also. 0:56:22.276 --> 0:56:24.116 I guess I was sort of curious too, Like just 0:56:24.156 --> 0:56:28.476 with your I mean there's so many I don't phrase 0:56:28.516 --> 0:56:30.956 other than I guess in acting, it feels like there's 0:56:30.956 --> 0:56:33.356 a lot of bad act bad actors, not in the 0:56:33.396 --> 0:56:36.596 actual acting sense. I mean people with bad intentions, right right, right, 0:56:36.676 --> 0:56:39.156 you can come across that, you can come across And 0:56:39.676 --> 0:56:43.836 I don't know much about the modeling world. I imagine 0:56:43.876 --> 0:56:44.716 that's there as well. 0:56:45.196 --> 0:56:45.716 Fucked up. 0:56:46.156 --> 0:56:52.196 Yeah, it's all fun, it's not all fucked It's actually 0:56:52.196 --> 0:56:52.996 not all fun. 0:56:53.876 --> 0:56:54.596 It's not all fun. 0:56:54.836 --> 0:56:54.956 Not. 0:56:55.996 --> 0:56:59.156 No, I think there's like I think it's there's like things. Yeah, 0:56:59.316 --> 0:57:02.116 I think there's like things that I don't know. It's 0:57:02.196 --> 0:57:05.116 kind of like, but I also think there's I don't know, 0:57:05.196 --> 0:57:07.436 we forget that there's like really fucked up stuff that 0:57:07.516 --> 0:57:07.916 goes on. 0:57:07.956 --> 0:57:10.676 And like working at MacDonald's too, it's like you know, like. 0:57:10.596 --> 0:57:14.796 There's so there's there's Yeah, there's fuck, there's functionhit everywhere. 0:57:14.836 --> 0:57:17.756 I don't know this, there's a there's like there's stories 0:57:17.796 --> 0:57:19.516 as old as the Tale of Time, isn't it with 0:57:19.676 --> 0:57:24.316 like in our industry and like, but I don't know. 0:57:24.356 --> 0:57:26.676 Do you don't think music industry is fucked up as well? 0:57:27.036 --> 0:57:29.156 Or it can be fucked up or they can be No, 0:57:29.476 --> 0:57:31.076 you don't think no, it can be No, it can 0:57:31.116 --> 0:57:31.596 be right. 0:57:31.716 --> 0:57:33.996 Like look at like the history of like what happens 0:57:34.036 --> 0:57:37.356 to musicians and like and how I don't know, I 0:57:37.356 --> 0:57:40.836 think you can get Yeah, I think, yeah, maybe it's 0:57:40.876 --> 0:57:45.196 like a difficult thing too. I think Schapel Warren spoke 0:57:45.196 --> 0:57:47.236 about it recently. I feel like do you remember she 0:57:47.356 --> 0:57:49.676 was talking about like she said something like, oh, people 0:57:50.116 --> 0:57:52.996 do very well when like there's sort of like no 0:57:53.116 --> 0:57:56.276 boundaries and you have to you kind of you get 0:57:56.316 --> 0:57:57.996 like worked into the ground or like you can do 0:57:58.116 --> 0:58:01.836 very well, but like you you personally will you know, 0:58:02.076 --> 0:58:04.636 it's hard to Yeah, maybe it's hard to like have that. 0:58:06.476 --> 0:58:08.116 I guess it's I guess only. 0:58:07.836 --> 0:58:10.596 You can go, hey, is it crazy that I haven't 0:58:10.636 --> 0:58:12.956 had like a day off in six months? 0:58:13.036 --> 0:58:13.796 Or you know what I mean? 0:58:13.836 --> 0:58:16.316 Like and and that's actually quite difficult to be the 0:58:16.996 --> 0:58:20.036 advocate for yourself to like be able to actually like 0:58:20.516 --> 0:58:24.356 live life. And but it's like so important, especially with 0:58:24.636 --> 0:58:28.276 especially with music, because if there's no if you're just 0:58:28.316 --> 0:58:31.596 like working all the time and and you're not actually 0:58:31.676 --> 0:58:34.356 going to get to go and like live life, like 0:58:34.996 --> 0:58:39.516 what the hell, you know, you won't have anything to. 0:58:38.236 --> 0:58:39.156 To write about. 0:58:39.316 --> 0:58:42.156 So there has to be like that that breathing that 0:58:42.236 --> 0:58:45.356 kind of like off time in a way. But yeah, 0:58:45.396 --> 0:58:47.196 you have to kind of like learn how to advocate 0:58:47.716 --> 0:58:50.876 for yourself, which is something which is difficult when you're 0:58:51.516 --> 0:58:55.036 when you know you want to do really well and 0:58:55.076 --> 0:58:57.396 you want to like please everyone around you and all 0:58:57.396 --> 0:58:58.156 that kind of stuff. 0:58:58.436 --> 0:58:59.396 It gets easy. 0:58:59.436 --> 0:59:01.396 I think it gets Yeah, I don't know for me personally, 0:59:01.476 --> 0:59:05.556 it's got it gets. It just gets easier and actually 0:59:05.596 --> 0:59:07.796 more enjoyable as I get older, because. 0:59:09.156 --> 0:59:11.556 I'm better. You go, like, I've been around the block. 0:59:11.636 --> 0:59:12.236 I kind of know. 0:59:12.636 --> 0:59:16.916 I know what it looks like to to be working 0:59:16.956 --> 0:59:18.956 a lot and doing well and also be miserable, and 0:59:18.996 --> 0:59:21.956 like you know, you you kind of you you kind 0:59:21.956 --> 0:59:24.276 of like figure it out more more. 0:59:24.676 --> 0:59:26.796 You're doing a great job. I wish I knew how 0:59:26.836 --> 0:59:29.836 to say no other people and set more boundaries for myself. 0:59:29.836 --> 0:59:30.916 So I'm walking away. 0:59:30.956 --> 0:59:33.156 Do you feel do you feel like overworked? Do you 0:59:33.156 --> 0:59:36.756 feel like it's too everything's like a lot and we're 0:59:36.796 --> 0:59:40.676 in your workplace though we got it's like, yeah, actually 0:59:40.916 --> 0:59:43.956 this is insane a little yeah, but. 0:59:46.036 --> 0:59:48.276 You know, actually, but you know what what I get 0:59:48.316 --> 0:59:50.076 to do is, but it's it's it's and it's harder. 0:59:50.236 --> 0:59:51.516 But I was gonna say, what I get to do 0:59:51.596 --> 0:59:54.036 is fun and so I think it disguises a little 0:59:54.076 --> 0:59:56.196 more fun. Sometimes it's all about fun. 0:59:56.276 --> 0:59:59.036 Yeah, exactly, it is about That's why I'm I don't know. 0:59:59.076 --> 1:00:00.956 That's where I'm like trying to trying to go at 1:00:00.996 --> 1:00:03.716 the moment is like how actually, like sometimes you forget 1:00:03.756 --> 1:00:07.716 that things can actually be really fun and like it 1:00:07.756 --> 1:00:10.276 doesn't you know, it get Yeah, it feels like it 1:00:10.276 --> 1:00:13.156 gets more and more fun as like a sort of Yeah, 1:00:13.196 --> 1:00:15.396 you have like amazing collaborators around you, and you have 1:00:15.436 --> 1:00:18.236 like great people and you sort of can discern better 1:00:18.316 --> 1:00:20.556 and like what you know who and what you want 1:00:20.596 --> 1:00:21.476 to be around and. 1:00:21.356 --> 1:00:22.676 Like how you want to create. 1:00:22.836 --> 1:00:25.236 Yeah, something I think about and like maybe yeah, I 1:00:25.276 --> 1:00:27.436 don't have to be like tortured and crazy and fucked 1:00:27.516 --> 1:00:29.196 up to like make stuff, you know, and it can 1:00:29.516 --> 1:00:30.796 there's like it doesn't. 1:00:30.956 --> 1:00:32.956 Yeah, maybe it doesn't always have to be like that 1:00:33.076 --> 1:00:33.556 so much. 1:00:33.956 --> 1:00:35.436 That's the hope. That's the hope. 1:00:35.556 --> 1:00:37.916 Yeah, you know that's like that's like, yeah, I kind 1:00:37.956 --> 1:00:40.236 of have that on my album cover for Memoir of 1:00:40.276 --> 1:00:42.796 Sparkle Muff and I have like on the back cover 1:00:42.876 --> 1:00:45.196 it side there's like this orange red sort of like 1:00:45.436 --> 1:00:49.036 La glare, which is sort of like glamorous and like sinful, 1:00:49.116 --> 1:00:51.756 and I've got this like kind of diamond choker around 1:00:51.796 --> 1:00:54.196 my neck and it's like a cage. And and then 1:00:54.276 --> 1:00:58.356 the front cover is sort of this like I was 1:00:58.396 --> 1:01:01.516 like thinking about like that movie More Holland Drive and 1:01:02.196 --> 1:01:04.756 like you know, the car crash in there, and I've 1:01:04.836 --> 1:01:07.916 like come down the street and this glamorous dress and 1:01:07.956 --> 1:01:12.396 I'm I found this like kind of safe, cocooned oasis 1:01:12.436 --> 1:01:14.716 that I've like created myself. There's like two kind of 1:01:14.756 --> 1:01:18.116 like flip sides for like for like the memoirs. So 1:01:18.276 --> 1:01:21.076 a lot of the album kind of like almost is 1:01:21.116 --> 1:01:24.916 like dealing or like confronting that sort of like metamorphois. 1:01:24.956 --> 1:01:26.396 So are you the are you the Sparkle? 1:01:26.756 --> 1:01:28.436 Course? Yeah? 1:01:28.716 --> 1:01:31.396 And it does it actually feel like a memoir? Does 1:01:31.396 --> 1:01:32.476 it actually feel like a memoir? 1:01:32.516 --> 1:01:34.516 And someone, Yeah, it does in a lot of ways. 1:01:34.516 --> 1:01:37.796 I guess it's like yeah, it's I'm always like, so 1:01:37.956 --> 1:01:40.316 I just like love, I love like I just like 1:01:40.436 --> 1:01:43.116 love people's memoirs. I'm obsessed, like that is what I 1:01:43.116 --> 1:01:44.556 want to know about. I want to know about like 1:01:44.916 --> 1:01:47.916 real people's lives, Like like I love like the Jane 1:01:47.956 --> 1:01:49.076 Fonder documentary. 1:01:49.116 --> 1:01:49.756 That one was like. 1:01:49.796 --> 1:01:51.756 I was just talking about the other day I watched it. 1:01:52.076 --> 1:01:53.876 I mean maybe because it's a plane. I cried watching that. 1:01:53.996 --> 1:01:57.796 It's amazing, was wild because it's just like seeing her 1:01:57.996 --> 1:02:01.756 tapestry of her life and like how everything connected in 1:02:01.836 --> 1:02:04.596 the career and the different partners she had, and like 1:02:05.196 --> 1:02:07.316 just to be able to kind of like contextualize all 1:02:07.356 --> 1:02:10.476 that and see like the span of this like beautiful, 1:02:10.756 --> 1:02:12.236 amazing life that she's had. 1:02:12.876 --> 1:02:15.916 She's had one of the most incredible livesset and and 1:02:15.636 --> 1:02:17.956 and you think obviously with her father being who he 1:02:18.116 --> 1:02:20.596 was that you know, but the child I was just 1:02:20.596 --> 1:02:23.236 just broke my heart, you know that whole bit. Yeah, 1:02:23.276 --> 1:02:24.316 but you know, but then. 1:02:24.196 --> 1:02:26.676 It's unbelievable, isn't it. It's like I never knew anything 1:02:26.756 --> 1:02:27.636 like that about. 1:02:27.476 --> 1:02:29.556 About no clue about her, no clue. 1:02:29.556 --> 1:02:30.956 And you look at her and you're like, you're a 1:02:30.996 --> 1:02:33.996 fucking survivor, like and you thrive and the most. 1:02:33.796 --> 1:02:36.076 Fucking incredible people ever, you know what I mean, Like 1:02:36.396 --> 1:02:38.156 all the ship she did with Ted Turner and and 1:02:38.156 --> 1:02:41.276 and for for you know, for bringing in people even 1:02:41.356 --> 1:02:43.476 like that. Don't like, don't it's just like what in 1:02:43.516 --> 1:02:46.516 the do you wanna say? The workout videos, workout videos wild. 1:02:46.836 --> 1:02:48.796 I had no clue because I remember I remember my mom, 1:02:49.236 --> 1:02:50.516 Grandma's sad around the house. 1:02:50.596 --> 1:02:51.476 Yeah, what is it? 1:02:51.636 --> 1:02:53.796 You know, you know, the contacts behind it, the story 1:02:53.836 --> 1:02:54.916 of what's actually going on? 1:02:54.956 --> 1:02:55.476 Who knows? 1:02:55.556 --> 1:02:57.596 Very cool, incredible, like yeah, I love I love like 1:02:57.676 --> 1:03:01.036 her memoir. I really loved or like her documentary. There 1:03:01.076 --> 1:03:03.876 was a bunch. There's like a an artist called Duncan. 1:03:03.916 --> 1:03:07.196 Hannah was super inspired by his Like they're like his 1:03:07.316 --> 1:03:09.116 diaries from the sixties and seventies. 1:03:09.156 --> 1:03:10.036 These are so cool. 1:03:10.036 --> 1:03:12.956 It's just like like, oh, on Monday, like lou Reed 1:03:13.036 --> 1:03:15.156 walked in and like an interaction he's had with him 1:03:15.156 --> 1:03:16.876 and he kind of actually like paints him and not 1:03:17.116 --> 1:03:18.716 so much of a nice light, which is kind of 1:03:18.756 --> 1:03:22.036 fun because it's just exactly as it was happening. And 1:03:22.796 --> 1:03:26.036 like Liz Fair's book I really enjoyed. She wrote a 1:03:26.036 --> 1:03:29.516 memoir of called Horror Stories, which is like do you. 1:03:29.516 --> 1:03:30.076 Know about it? 1:03:30.276 --> 1:03:34.556 These very honest vignettes from like her life and as 1:03:34.596 --> 1:03:38.036 a rock star, and she's so honest and there's like, yeah, 1:03:38.116 --> 1:03:40.596 there's certain like chapters in that in that book where 1:03:40.596 --> 1:03:43.836 it's like it's kind of like shifting it almost like shit, 1:03:43.916 --> 1:03:45.876 you know when you read something and you're like, oh, 1:03:46.196 --> 1:03:48.996 like I'll almost I'll remember this when I'm thinking about 1:03:48.996 --> 1:03:52.516 doing this, or like, you know, it was so so beautiful. 1:03:52.556 --> 1:03:55.636 I love like Julia Fox's autobiography. 1:03:55.676 --> 1:03:57.036 I've never read that one. 1:03:57.076 --> 1:04:01.476 It's brilliant, Like yeah, it's absolutely brilliant, Like yeah, just 1:04:01.516 --> 1:04:02.196 to like have that. 1:04:03.516 --> 1:04:04.276 So yeah, I don't know. 1:04:04.316 --> 1:04:06.636 Maybe I'm not like ready to write my memoirs yet, 1:04:07.196 --> 1:04:10.236 but I definitely like that doing it in and in and. 1:04:10.196 --> 1:04:12.316 Out album will suffice for now. You've got a long 1:04:12.316 --> 1:04:15.796 way to go. Thanks so much for for for the 1:04:15.916 --> 1:04:18.596 music for the album, and uh and for for for. 1:04:18.876 --> 1:04:27.236 Talking about. 1:04:24.996 --> 1:04:27.316 Thanks so much for Sukie Waterhouse for talking us through 1:04:27.316 --> 1:04:29.756 her new album My More Have a Sparkle muffin to 1:04:29.836 --> 1:04:32.476 hear that album and other songs of hers that we love, 1:04:32.556 --> 1:04:35.476 including songs that she loves you mentioned in this episode. 1:04:35.676 --> 1:04:38.796 Check out our playlist at broken record podcast dot com. 1:04:39.316 --> 1:04:42.276 Subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com slash 1:04:42.316 --> 1:04:44.756 broken record Podcast, where you can find all of our 1:04:44.756 --> 1:04:48.836 new episodes. 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