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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Suki Waterhouse started professional life as a model and

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Speaker 1: which put out her first album, I Can't Let Go

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Speaker 1: and her latest memoir of a Sparkle Muffin. Suki's music

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Speaker 1: first started catching on with audiences through TikTok, but he

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Speaker 1: It's an eighteen song journey through the life of a

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Speaker 1: thirty year old woman who had some wild times in

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Speaker 1: on the other side. On today's episode, I talked with

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Speaker 1: Suki Waterhouse about building an organic career in music, what

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Speaker 1: it was like opening for Taylor's Swift at Wembley Stadium

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Speaker 1: just last month, and she tells a great Jack White

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Speaker 1: story that inspired one of my favorite lines from her

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Speaker 1: first album. This is broken record liner notes for the

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Speaker 1: digital age. I'm justin Richman. Here's my conversation with Sukie

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Speaker 1: Waterhouse from Amazon's Studio one twenty six. To see the

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Speaker 1: full video version of this episode, go to YouTube dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Broken Record podcast. Congratulations on the soon to

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Speaker 1: be released memoir of a Sparkle Muffin.

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Speaker 2: Thank You, Thank You. I can't believe it. Actually it's

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Speaker 2: too like over two weeks, but it's pretty much two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, right up.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's always that strange thing.

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Speaker 2: You put so much work in and there's kind of

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Speaker 2: of actually you kind of forget that everyone hasn't had

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Speaker 1: You've heard it a ton, Yeah, I've.

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Speaker 3: Had it a bunch of times.

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Speaker 2: I just did a listening party the other day, which

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and I've been going around and like showing

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Speaker 2: but you kind of forget that everyone else, apart from

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Speaker 2: Like I haven't heard it yet, so I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Rollouts is always really fun because it's unexpected. I feel

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Speaker 1: And it's it's it's yeah, absolutely, I mean, obviously you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have no idea. This is a long album

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Speaker 2: Actually this is like an eighteen song record, which is Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was shocked about how long it was. That I mean,

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Speaker 1: I ended up like, you know, because it's longer, like

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Speaker 2: Literally, parts of the memoir are together, like songs like

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Speaker 2: It was meant to be Gateway, Yeah, which is like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know, Yeah, I do that.

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Speaker 3: But it was such you know, it's like such a

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Speaker 3: But that yeah, that was like a TikTok thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like that's like one of those unexplainable

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Speaker 2: But yeah, for sure that that I'm sure that I'm

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Speaker 2: And then I got to release Like I never would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you never know. But that's always like that's

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Speaker 2: always the coore thing. It's like, yeah, that's what I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Finley is Natalie and she yeah, Juels used

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Speaker 2: just met each other backstage and and I literally had

440
00:18:47,556 --> 00:18:50,796
Speaker 2: done as you know, i'd done, like I kind of

441
00:18:50,996 --> 00:18:54,436
Speaker 2: I was always like finding people to work with, even

442
00:18:54,476 --> 00:18:56,836
Speaker 2: though I had like sort of no sort of like

443
00:18:57,076 --> 00:18:59,276
Speaker 2: music industry connections in a way, but that you know,

444
00:18:59,356 --> 00:19:01,556
Speaker 2: you just find, you just find people to work with.

445
00:19:01,836 --> 00:19:03,796
Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember we have we have like video

446
00:19:03,796 --> 00:19:06,996
Speaker 2: footage of it where like little babies, like eighteen year

447
00:19:06,996 --> 00:19:11,356
Speaker 2: old babies and that. Yeah, we started, Yeah, we started

448
00:19:11,356 --> 00:19:14,756
Speaker 2: making those songs. And we would go on like little

449
00:19:14,756 --> 00:19:17,356
Speaker 2: trips and go and stay at his mom's house and

450
00:19:17,436 --> 00:19:21,276
Speaker 2: in Brittany and France, and and yes, it's been this

451
00:19:21,436 --> 00:19:25,716
Speaker 2: like really long, like collaborative, fruitful experience.

452
00:19:25,756 --> 00:19:28,196
Speaker 1: So you had some of the songs already when you

453
00:19:28,236 --> 00:19:31,356
Speaker 1: went backstage and met them, you had some of the No.

454
00:19:31,516 --> 00:19:33,516
Speaker 2: I don't think I had any of the ones that

455
00:19:33,596 --> 00:19:35,476
Speaker 2: we we put out, No, we.

456
00:19:35,436 --> 00:19:36,756
Speaker 3: Like I know, I know which song.

457
00:19:36,876 --> 00:19:37,956
Speaker 1: I know we had some stuff.

458
00:19:38,116 --> 00:19:39,636
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well.

459
00:19:39,596 --> 00:19:42,236
Speaker 2: I'd I definitely like made music before, but we we

460
00:19:42,356 --> 00:19:43,796
Speaker 2: kind of like went in there with a lot of

461
00:19:43,876 --> 00:19:46,436
Speaker 2: like like Jules has such you know, the production on

462
00:19:46,516 --> 00:19:48,276
Speaker 2: good Looking and Joanna and Oh my God and my

463
00:19:48,316 --> 00:19:51,636
Speaker 2: fun he has such a he just I don't know,

464
00:19:51,676 --> 00:19:53,796
Speaker 2: I feel like he has something that no one else does,

465
00:19:53,876 --> 00:19:56,476
Speaker 2: like both of them together, I really I think there's

466
00:19:57,156 --> 00:20:01,796
Speaker 2: that that whole kind of like that it's it's yeah,

467
00:20:01,876 --> 00:20:04,356
Speaker 2: it's it's otherworldly what I think they're able to do.

468
00:20:05,396 --> 00:20:08,796
Speaker 2: And we yeah, we've just like had this really special relationship.

469
00:20:09,836 --> 00:20:12,076
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this break with more from

470
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Speaker 1: Suki Waterhouse. We're back with Suki Waterhouse. Before you started

471
00:20:21,116 --> 00:20:24,436
Speaker 1: writing songs or what was your like, what was like

472
00:20:24,476 --> 00:20:27,556
Speaker 1: were you what was your relationship with music? You know?

473
00:20:27,636 --> 00:20:29,716
Speaker 1: I mean you were at the time, you had a job,

474
00:20:29,796 --> 00:20:32,636
Speaker 1: you were a model, you know, and you were acting.

475
00:20:32,676 --> 00:20:38,356
Speaker 1: I think also by that point well into acting, so what.

476
00:20:37,476 --> 00:20:39,076
Speaker 3: Well, maybe not when I was like that age.

477
00:20:39,116 --> 00:20:41,876
Speaker 2: Actually, I think I think I started making music probably, yeah,

478
00:20:41,916 --> 00:20:44,156
Speaker 2: I was, I was modeling and stuff. But yeah, I

479
00:20:44,156 --> 00:20:47,996
Speaker 2: started making music kind of a long time before. I

480
00:20:47,996 --> 00:20:50,396
Speaker 2: guess like I was, I was a model, but I

481
00:20:50,436 --> 00:20:53,316
Speaker 2: was like not like a very successful model.

482
00:20:53,716 --> 00:20:56,476
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I really wasn't that really No. I

483
00:20:56,596 --> 00:20:57,756
Speaker 3: was like like you.

484
00:20:57,716 --> 00:20:59,916
Speaker 2: Know with my age to z go into like thirty

485
00:21:00,076 --> 00:21:03,476
Speaker 2: castings a day and like you know, probably crying in

486
00:21:03,516 --> 00:21:07,036
Speaker 2: like in a toilet most days. It wasn't It wasn't

487
00:21:07,076 --> 00:21:09,556
Speaker 2: like a particular you know, it was very It was

488
00:21:09,596 --> 00:21:11,956
Speaker 2: like very much at the beginning. So yeah, that was

489
00:21:12,116 --> 00:21:16,156
Speaker 2: that was like always the yeah, writing and making music.

490
00:21:16,196 --> 00:21:18,596
Speaker 2: It was like I wanted, Yeah, I really like wanted

491
00:21:19,236 --> 00:21:21,916
Speaker 2: I wanted that life, but and I wanted to be

492
00:21:22,036 --> 00:21:25,636
Speaker 2: in music always first actually, but I don't know. Sometimes

493
00:21:25,676 --> 00:21:28,116
Speaker 2: like life kind of like takes you in different directions

494
00:21:28,116 --> 00:21:30,996
Speaker 2: and like that and in and in so many ways,

495
00:21:31,756 --> 00:21:34,116
Speaker 2: in fact, in every way, like I'm I'm I'm so

496
00:21:34,236 --> 00:21:37,796
Speaker 2: grateful that it almost that it did take so long,

497
00:21:37,876 --> 00:21:41,156
Speaker 2: and that it got so long, so much time to

498
00:21:41,276 --> 00:21:44,836
Speaker 2: just work on it and discover what I like and

499
00:21:44,836 --> 00:21:46,716
Speaker 2: and like mess up a bunch of times and do

500
00:21:46,796 --> 00:21:51,676
Speaker 2: like hundreds of sessions of you know, like not like no, no,

501
00:21:51,916 --> 00:21:54,036
Speaker 2: like kind of it's it's all about like taste and

502
00:21:54,076 --> 00:21:56,756
Speaker 2: finding out what you do and don't like and becoming

503
00:21:56,836 --> 00:21:59,476
Speaker 2: very particular about it. Like that is what it is

504
00:21:59,556 --> 00:22:02,116
Speaker 2: essentially like building your artists world.

505
00:22:03,756 --> 00:22:04,796
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.

506
00:22:04,876 --> 00:22:06,956
Speaker 2: I wouldn't if I was like if I had just

507
00:22:07,036 --> 00:22:10,076
Speaker 2: been having to like make record ten and put everything

508
00:22:10,076 --> 00:22:12,596
Speaker 2: out out, then yeah, I don't know.

509
00:22:12,636 --> 00:22:13,836
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take it back for anything.

510
00:22:13,876 --> 00:22:16,236
Speaker 2: And also it's like so much my music is about

511
00:22:16,436 --> 00:22:19,756
Speaker 2: my life, and you know, I like got to kind

512
00:22:19,756 --> 00:22:22,116
Speaker 2: of like be on that girl roller coaster of my

513
00:22:22,156 --> 00:22:26,556
Speaker 2: twenties and like have like insane experiences and be crazy,

514
00:22:26,676 --> 00:22:30,756
Speaker 2: and that is how I have like material. I feel

515
00:22:30,756 --> 00:22:32,716
Speaker 2: like I probably did enough of my twenties to like

516
00:22:32,756 --> 00:22:35,836
Speaker 2: sustain the material for like a while, because now it's

517
00:22:35,876 --> 00:22:38,636
Speaker 2: like so much like it's so much like not as a.

518
00:22:38,596 --> 00:22:40,316
Speaker 1: Crazy it's a little different now.

519
00:22:42,196 --> 00:22:45,036
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah I understand that.

520
00:22:45,116 --> 00:22:47,156
Speaker 2: I mean it's still you know, it's still it's never

521
00:22:47,196 --> 00:22:49,716
Speaker 2: gonna It's not like just having a kid makes everything.

522
00:22:50,036 --> 00:22:51,916
Speaker 2: Oh like you know, it's not like that at all.

523
00:22:51,956 --> 00:22:54,996
Speaker 2: You actually have a lot, you know, like like life

524
00:22:54,996 --> 00:22:55,636
Speaker 2: goes on in this.

525
00:22:55,716 --> 00:22:57,196
Speaker 1: Ya, but it feels less. I don't know.

526
00:22:57,236 --> 00:22:59,356
Speaker 3: For some reason as insane.

527
00:22:59,476 --> 00:23:02,316
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a little mundane. It's crazier in a weird way.

528
00:23:02,396 --> 00:23:04,836
Speaker 3: But it's to have two kids.

529
00:23:03,996 --> 00:23:08,796
Speaker 1: You two girls. Yeah, they just third grade in kindergarten.

530
00:23:09,236 --> 00:23:09,516
Speaker 2: Ring.

531
00:23:09,716 --> 00:23:12,236
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most it's a cool thing.

532
00:23:12,316 --> 00:23:12,836
Speaker 1: It's wild.

533
00:23:12,996 --> 00:23:15,076
Speaker 2: I love like just being a parent now and just

534
00:23:15,316 --> 00:23:17,676
Speaker 2: that connection you have to other parents, like you know

535
00:23:17,756 --> 00:23:20,956
Speaker 2: you just like I was backstage at a show that

536
00:23:20,956 --> 00:23:22,996
Speaker 2: I was just doing in London, and I'm just like

537
00:23:23,076 --> 00:23:25,396
Speaker 2: kind of walking and talking with one of the guys backstage,

538
00:23:25,396 --> 00:23:27,156
Speaker 2: and he's pulling out pictures and being like.

539
00:23:27,076 --> 00:23:29,156
Speaker 3: Look at this video. Look how smart she is, like loo,

540
00:23:29,476 --> 00:23:31,196
Speaker 3: and You're like, well, look at this one. Look at

541
00:23:31,196 --> 00:23:31,756
Speaker 3: what she's doing.

542
00:23:31,796 --> 00:23:31,956
Speaker 1: You know.

543
00:23:31,956 --> 00:23:35,036
Speaker 2: It's like that excitement that you that it feels like

544
00:23:35,236 --> 00:23:37,956
Speaker 2: unlocking a key to this like little secret like love club.

545
00:23:38,276 --> 00:23:40,356
Speaker 1: No, it is, and it's funny. As long as you're there,

546
00:23:40,436 --> 00:23:42,596
Speaker 1: it feels great. But you know, then sometimes I go

547
00:23:42,636 --> 00:23:44,516
Speaker 1: out into the world and I kind of always think

548
00:23:44,516 --> 00:23:47,196
Speaker 1: about this Anthony board. I don't know the exact quote,

549
00:23:47,236 --> 00:23:48,996
Speaker 1: but as we had in an interview that Anthony Bourdain

550
00:23:49,036 --> 00:23:51,196
Speaker 1: did obviously a while ago, and he was just like,

551
00:23:51,236 --> 00:23:52,756
Speaker 1: you know, once you're like a dad, like you know,

552
00:23:52,796 --> 00:23:54,756
Speaker 1: you try to break out like the Ramon shirt and

553
00:23:54,796 --> 00:23:57,116
Speaker 1: then get it, go out and be in the mix,

554
00:23:57,396 --> 00:23:59,676
Speaker 1: but after about like thirty minutes, you're like, I gotta

555
00:23:59,716 --> 00:24:02,236
Speaker 1: throw this shit away, okay, like and I don't know.

556
00:24:02,316 --> 00:24:04,676
Speaker 2: Like I still feel quite like I don't know, I

557
00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:09,076
Speaker 2: feel like myself, and I'm actually surprised by like how I.

558
00:24:09,476 --> 00:24:13,116
Speaker 1: Don't know any tips. Then I need I need advice on.

559
00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:13,716
Speaker 3: It, but I don't know.

560
00:24:13,756 --> 00:24:16,316
Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't, But then I guess, like it's not

561
00:24:16,436 --> 00:24:20,916
Speaker 2: like I guess before as well. I certainly like haven't

562
00:24:20,996 --> 00:24:25,676
Speaker 2: been wanting to go and be like doing crazy stuff,

563
00:24:25,676 --> 00:24:28,636
Speaker 2: but like you know what I mean, yeah exactly, So

564
00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:31,196
Speaker 2: it's not like it's been this like hugely drastic thing.

565
00:24:31,196 --> 00:24:33,636
Speaker 2: And it's also like the best excuse ever for like

566
00:24:33,716 --> 00:24:36,796
Speaker 2: streamlining your life a little bit, not like running around

567
00:24:36,876 --> 00:24:39,876
Speaker 2: as much like being quite intentional. Yeah, it kind of

568
00:24:39,916 --> 00:24:43,396
Speaker 2: helps you have that bedrock because you can't you can't,

569
00:24:43,476 --> 00:24:46,516
Speaker 2: like you know, I can't just like take off and

570
00:24:46,556 --> 00:24:49,316
Speaker 2: go everywhere and do it. So it's I have to

571
00:24:49,316 --> 00:24:51,196
Speaker 2: be like much more intentional, which I think actually is

572
00:24:51,236 --> 00:24:54,356
Speaker 2: something that is like not only good for me. And

573
00:24:54,396 --> 00:24:57,636
Speaker 2: I have this like grounding this thing that keeps me

574
00:24:57,756 --> 00:25:00,196
Speaker 2: very like grounded now, but it also keeps me like

575
00:25:00,316 --> 00:25:03,836
Speaker 2: grounded to place more, which is something that after a

576
00:25:03,876 --> 00:25:07,436
Speaker 2: long time of moving so much, I'm actually really happy for.

577
00:25:08,236 --> 00:25:09,836
Speaker 1: So how do you how are you going to work

578
00:25:12,236 --> 00:25:12,636
Speaker 1: a week?

579
00:25:12,716 --> 00:25:15,916
Speaker 3: Basically, she's going with me?

580
00:25:15,996 --> 00:25:16,636
Speaker 1: And how old is she?

581
00:25:16,676 --> 00:25:18,396
Speaker 3: No, she's almost six months.

582
00:25:18,956 --> 00:25:21,156
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's kind of probably the best time, not

583
00:25:21,356 --> 00:25:23,796
Speaker 2: because like before, she's going to just be figuring out

584
00:25:24,276 --> 00:25:26,916
Speaker 2: in a couple of months how to like crawl and

585
00:25:26,916 --> 00:25:27,436
Speaker 2: and walk.

586
00:25:27,516 --> 00:25:29,756
Speaker 3: But we'll see, we'll see.

587
00:25:29,836 --> 00:25:32,316
Speaker 2: I'm like just throwing myself into being like, you know,

588
00:25:32,516 --> 00:25:35,476
Speaker 2: she's got to come with me, so you just well,

589
00:25:35,596 --> 00:25:37,756
Speaker 2: you know, a bus will be fun for her. I

590
00:25:37,796 --> 00:25:41,316
Speaker 2: think there'll be so many people around, like she'll she's

591
00:25:41,396 --> 00:25:44,596
Speaker 2: quite you know, she's social. She's like wants to be

592
00:25:44,636 --> 00:25:46,836
Speaker 2: looking at everything and having fun. I'm going to be saying,

593
00:25:46,916 --> 00:25:48,196
Speaker 2: just ask me in a few months and we're going

594
00:25:48,236 --> 00:25:48,676
Speaker 2: to be like.

595
00:25:51,596 --> 00:25:53,556
Speaker 1: Pretty fun experience for the baby and they don't really

596
00:25:53,556 --> 00:25:59,156
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Everything's new and different exactly, you know, stimulating.

597
00:25:59,596 --> 00:26:01,356
Speaker 3: It will be stimulating exactly.

598
00:26:01,516 --> 00:26:04,556
Speaker 2: She's not going to be She's not you know, it's yeah,

599
00:26:04,596 --> 00:26:06,476
Speaker 2: she just came to London with me on her first

600
00:26:07,076 --> 00:26:10,116
Speaker 2: that was like a first like long flight and she.

601
00:26:09,756 --> 00:26:10,476
Speaker 1: She was born here.

602
00:26:10,556 --> 00:26:11,476
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was born here.

603
00:26:11,836 --> 00:26:13,756
Speaker 1: How do you feel about does that? Does that feel?

604
00:26:14,396 --> 00:26:15,676
Speaker 1: How do you feel about bridge?

605
00:26:15,676 --> 00:26:17,796
Speaker 2: She has like a little American passible now, which is

606
00:26:17,796 --> 00:26:20,396
Speaker 2: pretty cool. It's just really strange actually to see I'm like,

607
00:26:20,436 --> 00:26:24,076
Speaker 2: oh my god, you like you were born in la Wow.

608
00:26:25,156 --> 00:26:27,276
Speaker 2: But it was it was very special to bring her

609
00:26:27,316 --> 00:26:29,036
Speaker 2: back actually and kind of go for it. I went

610
00:26:29,076 --> 00:26:32,156
Speaker 2: early and had, you know, all the family. We went

611
00:26:32,196 --> 00:26:34,836
Speaker 2: to the countryside, she went, saw the Tower of London,

612
00:26:34,956 --> 00:26:38,356
Speaker 2: like I just like, yeah, we went everywhere and it

613
00:26:38,476 --> 00:26:40,956
Speaker 2: was beautiful. Yeah, to have all the family, it is,

614
00:26:41,396 --> 00:26:41,676
Speaker 2: it is.

615
00:26:41,836 --> 00:26:43,556
Speaker 3: Yeah. I did like pull up my heartstrings a.

616
00:26:43,516 --> 00:26:46,636
Speaker 2: Little bit, being like, oh, everyone's there's so many people

617
00:26:46,676 --> 00:26:49,796
Speaker 2: in England or London that like love her and are

618
00:26:49,956 --> 00:26:52,916
Speaker 2: obsessed with her and like so much family. So it

619
00:26:53,036 --> 00:26:55,356
Speaker 2: makes Yeah, it makes you think you're like.

620
00:26:55,436 --> 00:26:57,916
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, where do you want to be?

621
00:26:59,116 --> 00:27:02,116
Speaker 2: Yeah? But that's the thing is like you can't I

622
00:27:02,156 --> 00:27:05,836
Speaker 2: think the I can't plan. You can't really like plan,

623
00:27:06,076 --> 00:27:08,276
Speaker 2: Like both me and my partner we can't. We can't

624
00:27:08,276 --> 00:27:10,916
Speaker 2: really plan that much. But there might you know, there'll

625
00:27:10,956 --> 00:27:12,916
Speaker 2: be like nice stretches of time when maybe like a

626
00:27:12,956 --> 00:27:15,796
Speaker 2: movie will be shot there or something, or you kind

627
00:27:15,796 --> 00:27:18,516
Speaker 2: of you plan as much as you can to be home,

628
00:27:18,596 --> 00:27:21,596
Speaker 2: but there's an element of there is an element of like,

629
00:27:21,756 --> 00:27:25,156
Speaker 2: we don't really know what things look like all the time,

630
00:27:25,196 --> 00:27:27,716
Speaker 2: and things change, so you kind of you kind of

631
00:27:27,716 --> 00:27:29,236
Speaker 2: got to be pretty go with the flow.

632
00:27:29,436 --> 00:27:32,476
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's I mean, yeah, that's a

633
00:27:32,516 --> 00:27:33,836
Speaker 1: wild until.

634
00:27:33,556 --> 00:27:35,956
Speaker 2: Like school starts, and then that will be a different thing, right,

635
00:27:36,036 --> 00:27:38,316
Speaker 2: Like it's I feel like you get a couple of years.

636
00:27:38,076 --> 00:27:41,036
Speaker 3: At the beginning where maybe yeah, exactly.

637
00:27:40,596 --> 00:27:42,396
Speaker 2: Where you can move them around a little bit more

638
00:27:42,436 --> 00:27:44,316
Speaker 2: and then and then yeah, the in the future, it

639
00:27:44,316 --> 00:27:45,516
Speaker 2: won't it won't be like that.

640
00:27:46,076 --> 00:27:47,676
Speaker 1: Are you playing Are you playing your daughter music?

641
00:27:49,076 --> 00:27:51,876
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm playing her a lot of music. Yeah, I

642
00:27:51,916 --> 00:27:56,996
Speaker 2: feel like disco. She's into Fleetwood Mac.

643
00:27:58,196 --> 00:27:58,996
Speaker 3: She likes.

644
00:27:59,276 --> 00:28:01,796
Speaker 2: Yeah, I play her like Leila by Eric Clapton because

645
00:28:01,956 --> 00:28:03,556
Speaker 2: my mum used to play that for me a lot.

646
00:28:04,436 --> 00:28:06,636
Speaker 2: And then I'm and then I'm doing like Baby Motz

647
00:28:06,716 --> 00:28:08,316
Speaker 2: and stuff because I'm just like trying.

648
00:28:07,996 --> 00:28:10,756
Speaker 3: To you know, You're like you're you're like, oh, well,

649
00:28:10,796 --> 00:28:11,556
Speaker 3: if you listen to.

650
00:28:13,356 --> 00:28:16,076
Speaker 1: Yeah, which probably will be exactly. I don't know if

651
00:28:18,516 --> 00:28:18,956
Speaker 1: we try.

652
00:28:19,076 --> 00:28:21,716
Speaker 2: And then like playing piano actually like my, yeah, my,

653
00:28:22,436 --> 00:28:24,876
Speaker 2: like we both play piano, so we kind of like

654
00:28:25,036 --> 00:28:27,796
Speaker 2: that's actually really sweet to see to see her watch that.

655
00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:30,556
Speaker 2: I'm upset. I'm like, she has to one thing I'm

656
00:28:30,556 --> 00:28:32,316
Speaker 2: like going to be crazy about. I really want her

657
00:28:32,356 --> 00:28:34,196
Speaker 2: to be able to play guitar and piano, and like,

658
00:28:34,476 --> 00:28:36,636
Speaker 2: have you do your kids play instruments?

659
00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:39,916
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've gone through periods of pushing them to

660
00:28:40,076 --> 00:28:42,036
Speaker 1: not pushing them, but being you know, like like what's

661
00:28:42,036 --> 00:28:42,636
Speaker 1: probably good.

662
00:28:42,996 --> 00:28:46,276
Speaker 3: Discipline, Come on, you need to play piano.

663
00:28:47,076 --> 00:28:48,956
Speaker 1: And then and then but the times when like I

664
00:28:49,076 --> 00:28:51,396
Speaker 1: pull them ato lessons and I don't, I don't talk

665
00:28:51,436 --> 00:28:53,756
Speaker 1: about it much. Then I noticed, like, oh, I put

666
00:28:53,756 --> 00:28:57,076
Speaker 1: my head on the corner. She's playing guitar or she's

667
00:28:57,076 --> 00:28:58,476
Speaker 1: playing like that's cool. You know.

668
00:28:58,596 --> 00:29:01,996
Speaker 3: So you probably can't exactly, you can't even force it.

669
00:29:02,316 --> 00:29:03,476
Speaker 1: You just got to play the music. You got to

670
00:29:03,476 --> 00:29:04,916
Speaker 1: play a lot of music, so you get a lot

671
00:29:04,956 --> 00:29:08,796
Speaker 1: of exposure and build their tastes in the palette and

672
00:29:08,836 --> 00:29:10,036
Speaker 1: then and then hope for the best.

673
00:29:10,196 --> 00:29:11,996
Speaker 2: That's the best thing. Yeah, I feel like my parents

674
00:29:12,076 --> 00:29:14,836
Speaker 2: didn't actually do that for me too much. We got

675
00:29:14,876 --> 00:29:17,596
Speaker 2: like Tracy Chapman, and my dad was very into like

676
00:29:17,676 --> 00:29:20,916
Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen, but like I think there were four of

677
00:29:21,036 --> 00:29:23,956
Speaker 2: us and my mom would just be like like the

678
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:27,116
Speaker 2: noise of just all of us at a certain point,

679
00:29:27,196 --> 00:29:30,556
Speaker 2: like they weren't like super educational, but I don't know,

680
00:29:30,596 --> 00:29:34,076
Speaker 2: in a weird way. That also made me really hungry

681
00:29:34,116 --> 00:29:36,476
Speaker 2: to go and find find out about music.

682
00:29:36,516 --> 00:29:38,276
Speaker 1: And I kind of you're sibling similar, do they have

683
00:29:38,316 --> 00:29:38,876
Speaker 1: those similar?

684
00:29:39,356 --> 00:29:43,516
Speaker 2: Yeah, my sister's actually, my sister's really good at He

685
00:29:43,636 --> 00:29:45,356
Speaker 2: was kind of sim I kind of like we all

686
00:29:45,396 --> 00:29:47,516
Speaker 2: like pass it around, and I guess I passed it

687
00:29:47,556 --> 00:29:49,676
Speaker 2: down quite a lot. But I was like that was

688
00:29:49,716 --> 00:29:52,796
Speaker 2: like my religion as finding out about everything when I

689
00:29:52,876 --> 00:29:57,676
Speaker 2: was a teenager and you know, yeah, London when you're

690
00:29:57,716 --> 00:30:02,716
Speaker 2: eighteen and kind of it was incredible, like I remember, yeah,

691
00:30:03,196 --> 00:30:06,076
Speaker 2: just like getting out into night life and that was

692
00:30:06,116 --> 00:30:07,516
Speaker 2: like a time where you could go to a bar

693
00:30:07,636 --> 00:30:10,756
Speaker 2: and Camden and like the Baby Shambles will be around,

694
00:30:10,756 --> 00:30:12,916
Speaker 2: an Amy Winehouse would be walking around and I'd be

695
00:30:12,996 --> 00:30:15,036
Speaker 2: like a you know, teenager in London and.

696
00:30:15,476 --> 00:30:16,396
Speaker 3: Taking all of that in.

697
00:30:16,556 --> 00:30:19,356
Speaker 2: It's like there there were so many good like rock

698
00:30:19,476 --> 00:30:21,916
Speaker 2: band shows happening that was like great, it was a

699
00:30:21,916 --> 00:30:24,556
Speaker 2: great time for like indie music.

700
00:30:24,796 --> 00:30:25,396
Speaker 3: It was great.

701
00:30:26,716 --> 00:30:28,956
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there was that I kind of yeah, I

702
00:30:28,996 --> 00:30:30,756
Speaker 2: had like I had the whole of London at my

703
00:30:30,756 --> 00:30:33,476
Speaker 2: fingertips to kind of soak into.

704
00:30:33,516 --> 00:30:36,636
Speaker 1: Yeah, from eighteen to sort of now through the making

705
00:30:36,676 --> 00:30:39,116
Speaker 1: of the new album. How is your taste sort of

706
00:30:39,196 --> 00:30:42,196
Speaker 1: changed evolved over over that course of time, if you can,

707
00:30:42,276 --> 00:30:44,396
Speaker 1: If you can, I.

708
00:30:44,316 --> 00:30:45,756
Speaker 3: Mean, there's not I don't know.

709
00:30:45,796 --> 00:30:47,836
Speaker 2: I have like a pretty wide range of things that

710
00:30:47,916 --> 00:30:52,436
Speaker 2: I love, Like you know, like there's it's I think,

711
00:30:52,756 --> 00:30:55,796
Speaker 2: I think, I think it's like different to what I mean,

712
00:30:55,796 --> 00:30:58,036
Speaker 2: there's always like things in your head as well, right,

713
00:30:58,116 --> 00:31:00,516
Speaker 2: it's I get the I think when I first when

714
00:31:00,556 --> 00:31:04,516
Speaker 2: I put my first record out, I was I think,

715
00:31:04,596 --> 00:31:07,636
Speaker 2: like the what I wanted to make at the beginning

716
00:31:07,916 --> 00:31:11,396
Speaker 2: especially was like I think I was really struck by

717
00:31:12,076 --> 00:31:12,676
Speaker 2: lou Duian.

718
00:31:12,876 --> 00:31:13,556
Speaker 3: You know who she is.

719
00:31:13,996 --> 00:31:19,316
Speaker 2: She's Jane Berkan's daughter, and she she made this record

720
00:31:19,356 --> 00:31:21,356
Speaker 2: and I guess like maybe I resonated with it. She'd

721
00:31:21,396 --> 00:31:23,236
Speaker 2: been an actress and and fashion and all this kind

722
00:31:23,236 --> 00:31:25,996
Speaker 2: of stuff, and like I felt this like I guess

723
00:31:26,036 --> 00:31:28,036
Speaker 2: like that was someone I looked at and I went like, oh,

724
00:31:28,116 --> 00:31:31,436
Speaker 2: you've made like this amazing record and there was a

725
00:31:31,476 --> 00:31:35,316
Speaker 2: song called I See You and that that kind of

726
00:31:35,436 --> 00:31:38,476
Speaker 2: music like I wanted to I don't know, I like

727
00:31:38,756 --> 00:31:40,476
Speaker 2: when I was, you know, I felt, yeah, I felt

728
00:31:40,476 --> 00:31:42,996
Speaker 2: like I wanted to make music like Marry and Faithful

729
00:31:43,116 --> 00:31:46,516
Speaker 2: and like cat Power and Velvet Underground and like that

730
00:31:46,716 --> 00:31:49,116
Speaker 2: was you know, that was and I and I guess

731
00:31:49,156 --> 00:31:51,156
Speaker 2: I really didn't. I was like, oh, I know, I

732
00:31:51,156 --> 00:31:53,476
Speaker 2: don't want to sound like I think if i'd like

733
00:31:53,476 --> 00:31:56,316
Speaker 2: come out with something like really like you know, I

734
00:31:56,596 --> 00:31:59,876
Speaker 2: didn't want anything like pop or and you know, nothing

735
00:31:59,996 --> 00:32:01,796
Speaker 2: like that. And you know when you go into a studio,

736
00:32:01,796 --> 00:32:04,836
Speaker 2: I want like real instruments and like and like brutally

737
00:32:04,876 --> 00:32:07,196
Speaker 2: it's like I wanted to do. I wanted to literally

738
00:32:07,236 --> 00:32:10,636
Speaker 2: just be in a room with the like with candles

739
00:32:10,636 --> 00:32:13,876
Speaker 2: on and not do something to click and and just

740
00:32:13,996 --> 00:32:16,796
Speaker 2: have something that was like very much like a feeling

741
00:32:18,116 --> 00:32:19,836
Speaker 2: and not have Yeah, I think I was like kind

742
00:32:19,836 --> 00:32:23,196
Speaker 2: of allergic to like things feeling feeling like produced and

743
00:32:23,516 --> 00:32:26,596
Speaker 2: production like that. But now I'm not. Now I'm like,

744
00:32:26,996 --> 00:32:27,556
Speaker 2: you know, more.

745
00:32:27,436 --> 00:32:27,796
Speaker 3: Up into it.

746
00:32:27,796 --> 00:32:29,236
Speaker 2: But it was also where I was in my head

747
00:32:29,236 --> 00:32:31,876
Speaker 2: where I was like, I can't, I don't. It wouldn't

748
00:32:31,916 --> 00:32:33,516
Speaker 2: it wouldn't feel right to like come out of the

749
00:32:33,556 --> 00:32:37,796
Speaker 2: gate having come from like these different industries as well,

750
00:32:38,236 --> 00:32:39,596
Speaker 2: to suddenly.

751
00:32:39,156 --> 00:32:40,036
Speaker 3: Be like I'm a pop star.

752
00:32:40,316 --> 00:32:42,076
Speaker 2: Like that was like my like I was like, oh,

753
00:32:42,116 --> 00:32:45,556
Speaker 2: that would just never, that wouldn't work and it's not

754
00:32:45,716 --> 00:32:48,116
Speaker 2: it would like never be aligned with what I liked.

755
00:32:48,156 --> 00:32:48,996
Speaker 3: But it was also my.

756
00:32:48,996 --> 00:32:51,836
Speaker 2: Tastes and what I really liked and everything, and you know,

757
00:32:51,916 --> 00:32:56,236
Speaker 2: everything was quite like I guess yeah at that point,

758
00:32:56,316 --> 00:33:00,196
Speaker 2: like and I was I'm was more new to songwriting,

759
00:33:00,276 --> 00:33:03,476
Speaker 2: I guess, but like that everything was everything's quite like

760
00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:05,556
Speaker 2: I don't know. I listened to it now and I'm like,

761
00:33:05,596 --> 00:33:08,076
Speaker 2: but it was also my headspace. That's like everything's quite

762
00:33:08,156 --> 00:33:11,196
Speaker 2: like there's like a dreariness to things, and I never

763
00:33:11,236 --> 00:33:13,716
Speaker 2: wanted to like jump up or go big on something.

764
00:33:13,796 --> 00:33:16,156
Speaker 2: It was like all like just like gott to be

765
00:33:16,356 --> 00:33:19,676
Speaker 2: very like you know, like and I get and I

766
00:33:19,716 --> 00:33:21,756
Speaker 2: get and that It's all about what your head space

767
00:33:21,836 --> 00:33:23,636
Speaker 2: is in when you're making a record, right, like what

768
00:33:23,676 --> 00:33:27,116
Speaker 2: you think you're like, what you allow where you like

769
00:33:27,156 --> 00:33:29,116
Speaker 2: allow yourself to go and like where you are.

770
00:33:31,916 --> 00:33:34,076
Speaker 1: Always want to put on Knocking on Heaven's Door. After

771
00:33:35,916 --> 00:33:39,276
Speaker 1: just had that kind of open serial.

772
00:33:39,716 --> 00:33:41,916
Speaker 2: I was with Brad Cook and I was like really

773
00:33:41,956 --> 00:33:45,916
Speaker 2: obsessed with Brad Cook and he'd produced for Waxahatchie and

774
00:33:45,956 --> 00:33:47,956
Speaker 2: there was a song there was a song called His

775
00:33:47,996 --> 00:33:52,796
Speaker 2: Golden Messenger, I Buy his Golden Messenger called Cat's Eized Blue,

776
00:33:52,836 --> 00:33:54,516
Speaker 2: and like that was like one of the times where

777
00:33:54,516 --> 00:33:59,556
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that that song will fit this

778
00:33:59,556 --> 00:34:02,836
Speaker 2: this that kind of like connects to this world. And

779
00:34:02,836 --> 00:34:04,596
Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, he'll never He'll never want

780
00:34:04,636 --> 00:34:06,196
Speaker 2: to like work with me or like he's he does

781
00:34:06,236 --> 00:34:08,076
Speaker 2: what I just I didn't have anything going with me.

782
00:34:08,116 --> 00:34:10,996
Speaker 2: I had no label, nothing like and it's like he's

783
00:34:10,996 --> 00:34:13,196
Speaker 2: would be like who are you? And luckily we had

784
00:34:13,236 --> 00:34:16,556
Speaker 2: one friend in common, Dave Sitek from TV on the radio,

785
00:34:16,596 --> 00:34:19,116
Speaker 2: who had been like working with for years and he's

786
00:34:19,156 --> 00:34:19,876
Speaker 2: been like a buddy of.

787
00:34:19,836 --> 00:34:20,876
Speaker 1: Have you made musical with Dave?

788
00:34:21,036 --> 00:34:23,716
Speaker 3: Yeah, me and I know we've never released any of it.

789
00:34:23,996 --> 00:34:27,436
Speaker 2: No. Me and Dave were like went to Texas one

790
00:34:28,076 --> 00:34:31,316
Speaker 2: to like Reno one year and and made like you know,

791
00:34:31,476 --> 00:34:35,276
Speaker 2: just like had made like bonfires and like hung out

792
00:34:35,276 --> 00:34:38,116
Speaker 2: for like two weeks and and we just like talked

793
00:34:38,156 --> 00:34:41,156
Speaker 2: so much and made so much music. But yeah, so

794
00:34:41,196 --> 00:34:43,436
Speaker 2: I've not yeah known him for years and and Brad

795
00:34:43,436 --> 00:34:46,956
Speaker 2: had produced one of his Neverly Boys albums. So so yeah,

796
00:34:46,996 --> 00:34:48,636
Speaker 2: I kind of I think like I got I got

797
00:34:48,716 --> 00:34:51,836
Speaker 2: Dave to you know, say, like, oh, she's she's like

798
00:34:51,916 --> 00:34:54,636
Speaker 2: okay or whatever, she's like not she should you should work.

799
00:34:54,716 --> 00:34:56,156
Speaker 3: You should do it with her. It will be cool.

800
00:34:56,236 --> 00:34:57,836
Speaker 1: He gave you the stamp of a product.

801
00:34:57,996 --> 00:35:00,076
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we did and we did a

802
00:35:00,116 --> 00:35:02,676
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. We did like some production together as

803
00:35:02,716 --> 00:35:07,956
Speaker 2: well at justin Vernham Studio in Wisconsin for this Reforto.

804
00:35:07,756 --> 00:35:08,916
Speaker 3: Which was pretty cool. Yeah.

805
00:35:09,196 --> 00:35:09,676
Speaker 1: Is he around?

806
00:35:09,836 --> 00:35:10,756
Speaker 3: No, he wasn't around.

807
00:35:10,756 --> 00:35:13,116
Speaker 2: Now. We were actually meant to a session but he

808
00:35:13,116 --> 00:35:13,996
Speaker 2: he canceled on me.

809
00:35:14,476 --> 00:35:19,956
Speaker 3: So he was busy, he was sick. But we Yeah,

810
00:35:19,996 --> 00:35:20,996
Speaker 3: I would love to work with him.

811
00:35:21,036 --> 00:35:24,076
Speaker 1: Wow. So what So how much how many songs did

812
00:35:24,116 --> 00:35:25,476
Speaker 1: you have you made with Dave?

813
00:35:26,836 --> 00:35:28,796
Speaker 3: We have a Yeah, we have a bunch. I don't

814
00:35:28,796 --> 00:35:29,116
Speaker 3: know why.

815
00:35:29,196 --> 00:35:31,476
Speaker 2: I don't know why we haven't like managed to finish

816
00:35:31,556 --> 00:35:33,796
Speaker 2: them actually or like we just I don't know, we've

817
00:35:33,876 --> 00:35:35,396
Speaker 2: kind of like gone out. But he was sort of

818
00:35:35,436 --> 00:35:40,316
Speaker 2: my gateway into I don't know, just like but Dave's

819
00:35:40,316 --> 00:35:40,796
Speaker 2: like done.

820
00:35:40,996 --> 00:35:42,836
Speaker 3: I mean, he's done so many cool things.

821
00:35:43,196 --> 00:35:45,476
Speaker 2: He's like you know the yeah, yeah, yeahs. He did

822
00:35:45,516 --> 00:35:48,916
Speaker 2: a lot of that early stuff. So like, yeah, I

823
00:35:49,116 --> 00:35:52,476
Speaker 2: would always go around to his house and and and

824
00:35:52,516 --> 00:35:55,036
Speaker 2: like sit with him, and he's he has like it's

825
00:35:55,076 --> 00:35:59,036
Speaker 2: really like perspective, and you know.

826
00:35:59,036 --> 00:36:02,076
Speaker 3: He's he's been through. He's been through it. He's been

827
00:36:02,116 --> 00:36:03,516
Speaker 3: through like the music industry.

828
00:36:03,556 --> 00:36:06,796
Speaker 2: He's he kind of he has a great like bullshit

829
00:36:07,156 --> 00:36:11,396
Speaker 2: what's called barometer. Yeah, and and yeah, he like taught

830
00:36:11,396 --> 00:36:13,556
Speaker 2: me a lot actually and kind of like invested a

831
00:36:13,556 --> 00:36:17,356
Speaker 2: lot of time in me. But I think I met

832
00:36:17,396 --> 00:36:20,356
Speaker 2: him from a cold email. I would just cold email people.

833
00:36:20,756 --> 00:36:22,596
Speaker 1: Yeah it's really.

834
00:36:22,316 --> 00:36:24,956
Speaker 3: Good, that's like, yeah, I did. And then I did that.

835
00:36:25,076 --> 00:36:28,716
Speaker 2: Also, there was a bunch of stuff like that before,

836
00:36:28,876 --> 00:36:30,956
Speaker 2: you know, before I had like a team or anything.

837
00:36:30,996 --> 00:36:35,596
Speaker 2: I called emailed Belle and Sebastian and I went and

838
00:36:35,676 --> 00:36:38,116
Speaker 2: made a song with them, which I put out recently,

839
00:36:38,156 --> 00:36:40,076
Speaker 2: because once I got like a manager and team and

840
00:36:40,316 --> 00:36:42,996
Speaker 2: I sounded kind of like like a year in I

841
00:36:43,036 --> 00:36:44,396
Speaker 2: was like, oh and I have the song with Bell

842
00:36:44,436 --> 00:36:46,676
Speaker 2: and Sebastian. They were like what, like, what do you mean,

843
00:36:46,796 --> 00:36:47,516
Speaker 2: like you have.

844
00:36:47,476 --> 00:36:49,876
Speaker 3: A song with them? Like yeah, yeah, like went over there.

845
00:36:49,716 --> 00:36:51,396
Speaker 2: Once and we hung out for a weekend and made

846
00:36:51,396 --> 00:36:53,516
Speaker 2: the song. So I ended up putting that song out

847
00:36:54,076 --> 00:36:56,676
Speaker 2: called every Day's a Lesson in Humility. But that was

848
00:36:56,676 --> 00:36:58,556
Speaker 2: like such a that was a song that we'd recorded

849
00:36:58,596 --> 00:37:03,276
Speaker 2: like such a long time ago. It's funny, Yeah, it's funny.

850
00:37:03,276 --> 00:37:05,076
Speaker 2: That was like, yeah, I guess I was like trying.

851
00:37:05,156 --> 00:37:08,516
Speaker 2: I guess I was always trying to you know, that's

852
00:37:08,556 --> 00:37:11,476
Speaker 2: just what you do. You're trying to just get in

853
00:37:11,516 --> 00:37:15,596
Speaker 2: the room and be with people that are inspiring and yeah,

854
00:37:15,876 --> 00:37:18,156
Speaker 2: because you just never know what's going to happen, of.

855
00:37:18,156 --> 00:37:21,236
Speaker 1: Course, no, especially with people, especially those you know, those

856
00:37:21,276 --> 00:37:23,436
Speaker 1: people those that's pretty yeah.

857
00:37:23,076 --> 00:37:25,796
Speaker 2: Yeah you want to like yeah yeah yeah, and things

858
00:37:25,796 --> 00:37:28,076
Speaker 2: can Yeah. You just you're just it's like building a

859
00:37:28,116 --> 00:37:32,636
Speaker 2: tap stream and and finding those people that yeah, because

860
00:37:32,676 --> 00:37:34,756
Speaker 2: like you're nothing, you're you're you know, you're really nothing

861
00:37:34,836 --> 00:37:40,116
Speaker 2: without like that like the yeah, the amazing collaborators that

862
00:37:40,156 --> 00:37:42,236
Speaker 2: you have and the people that you that you want

863
00:37:42,236 --> 00:37:45,756
Speaker 2: to like, you know that you that you want to

864
00:37:45,756 --> 00:37:48,316
Speaker 2: hang out with for like weeks on end and ably

865
00:37:48,436 --> 00:37:50,836
Speaker 2: and have like a and try and like make something

866
00:37:50,836 --> 00:37:52,476
Speaker 2: together that you guys are super proud of.

867
00:37:54,036 --> 00:37:55,836
Speaker 1: After this last break, we'll be back with the rest

868
00:37:55,876 --> 00:38:03,236
Speaker 1: of my conversation with Suki Waterhouse. Here's the rest of

869
00:38:03,236 --> 00:38:07,036
Speaker 1: my conversation with Suki Waterhouse. Do you know I'm gonna

870
00:38:07,236 --> 00:38:08,236
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. Do you know if you've

871
00:38:08,236 --> 00:38:09,516
Speaker 1: been on the radio? Is getting back together?

872
00:38:10,116 --> 00:38:13,996
Speaker 3: I don't know. Actually, no, they are, Yeah, probably I

873
00:38:14,076 --> 00:38:17,156
Speaker 3: think so. Maybe I don't know. I don't know that. Yeah,

874
00:38:18,116 --> 00:38:19,236
Speaker 3: were getting back together? Right?

875
00:38:19,756 --> 00:38:20,876
Speaker 1: Are you going to go see them?

876
00:38:20,956 --> 00:38:21,996
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I have to.

877
00:38:22,516 --> 00:38:24,516
Speaker 2: I might. I just did a cover of Fairs the

878
00:38:24,516 --> 00:38:26,476
Speaker 2: other day at All Point Season in London.

879
00:38:27,156 --> 00:38:28,036
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you do?

880
00:38:28,276 --> 00:38:30,676
Speaker 3: I did Don't Look Back and Anger, which was so fun.

881
00:38:31,116 --> 00:38:32,036
Speaker 3: It was so fun.

882
00:38:32,996 --> 00:38:35,636
Speaker 2: But like the crowd in London just like, oh my god,

883
00:38:35,676 --> 00:38:40,276
Speaker 2: it's just like amazing how everybody, especially in England, it

884
00:38:40,476 --> 00:38:43,276
Speaker 2: just it just like does something to people where that

885
00:38:44,196 --> 00:38:45,476
Speaker 2: everyone's just their music.

886
00:38:45,796 --> 00:38:46,676
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.

887
00:38:46,796 --> 00:38:48,356
Speaker 2: I like, I feel like it's going to be just

888
00:38:48,396 --> 00:38:50,516
Speaker 2: like the best. It's going to be like us kind

889
00:38:50,556 --> 00:38:53,556
Speaker 2: of winning like a huge football game or something.

890
00:38:53,596 --> 00:38:58,396
Speaker 1: Winning a World Cup or something. Maybe not quite that.

891
00:38:58,396 --> 00:39:00,076
Speaker 2: Long, not quite the level, but I think it's going

892
00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:02,396
Speaker 2: to really do a lot for like making everyone really

893
00:39:02,396 --> 00:39:04,716
Speaker 2: happy and like uniting the country, and it's going to

894
00:39:04,756 --> 00:39:06,636
Speaker 2: be I can't wait.

895
00:39:07,316 --> 00:39:08,036
Speaker 3: Yes you are.

896
00:39:08,036 --> 00:39:10,716
Speaker 1: Also you were that that festival was a few days

897
00:39:10,716 --> 00:39:13,116
Speaker 1: after you open for Taylor Swift Too, right in Wembley.

898
00:39:13,316 --> 00:39:15,476
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was on the Saturday and then an All

899
00:39:15,516 --> 00:39:16,636
Speaker 2: Point Seas was on the Sunday.

900
00:39:16,676 --> 00:39:17,876
Speaker 3: So that was like really fun weekend.

901
00:39:17,956 --> 00:39:19,036
Speaker 1: What a wild weekend.

902
00:39:19,116 --> 00:39:19,836
Speaker 3: It was so good.

903
00:39:19,876 --> 00:39:23,916
Speaker 1: What a crazy plane Wembley would just like that's that's insane.

904
00:39:23,956 --> 00:39:25,876
Speaker 1: I think that's probably you know, people always talk about

905
00:39:25,876 --> 00:39:29,516
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden and there's different venues, but I don't

906
00:39:29,516 --> 00:39:32,116
Speaker 1: know just I think that's because a queen. There's some

907
00:39:32,196 --> 00:39:34,756
Speaker 1: great like Cross of Stills and Nash stuff those. I mean,

908
00:39:34,796 --> 00:39:36,756
Speaker 1: just Wembley to me just feels like insane.

909
00:39:36,916 --> 00:39:40,076
Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy. Yeah, it was insane.

910
00:39:39,956 --> 00:39:41,836
Speaker 1: And it's Taylor Swift too on top of it.

911
00:39:41,916 --> 00:39:43,116
Speaker 3: And like I've been to Wembley.

912
00:39:43,196 --> 00:39:45,756
Speaker 2: I think I think it was like twenty seventeen or something,

913
00:39:46,436 --> 00:39:48,116
Speaker 2: but I went to go and see a reputation there

914
00:39:48,116 --> 00:39:49,476
Speaker 2: like a couple of years ago, and it was just

915
00:39:49,476 --> 00:39:52,636
Speaker 2: like shaking my ass, like ah, you know, with my

916
00:39:52,716 --> 00:39:54,996
Speaker 2: sisters and my friends, and I just yeah, you just

917
00:39:55,076 --> 00:39:57,396
Speaker 2: couldn't have told me that that was ever going to happen, Like,

918
00:39:57,436 --> 00:40:01,756
Speaker 2: I just it's just like what, it's nuts. And they

919
00:40:01,836 --> 00:40:04,356
Speaker 2: have these like sliding doors and you walk out there

920
00:40:05,916 --> 00:40:08,716
Speaker 2: and I kind of just you know, it's very strange

921
00:40:08,756 --> 00:40:10,916
Speaker 2: to like the most amount of people I've probably ever

922
00:40:10,916 --> 00:40:16,476
Speaker 2: played to is like maybe like Lolapalooza in Chile and Argentina,

923
00:40:16,596 --> 00:40:20,756
Speaker 2: like maybe like maybe like ten thousand or something, and

924
00:40:20,796 --> 00:40:24,236
Speaker 2: then you're in a stadium that's like got like about yeah,

925
00:40:24,236 --> 00:40:27,916
Speaker 2: I think it's like ninety two thousand or something, and.

926
00:40:27,956 --> 00:40:30,196
Speaker 3: There's yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

927
00:40:30,396 --> 00:40:30,916
Speaker 1: It was like.

928
00:40:32,836 --> 00:40:35,516
Speaker 2: The best thing about that was also just yeah, not

929
00:40:35,596 --> 00:40:38,996
Speaker 2: only I mean like it's like going to one of

930
00:40:39,036 --> 00:40:39,996
Speaker 2: your favorite shows ever.

931
00:40:40,036 --> 00:40:42,156
Speaker 3: Like I've been to the Ariostool before. It's like such

932
00:40:42,196 --> 00:40:42,836
Speaker 3: a fun night.

933
00:40:43,236 --> 00:40:45,076
Speaker 1: So did you go to the other one blee shows

934
00:40:45,076 --> 00:40:45,956
Speaker 1: like earlier years?

935
00:40:45,956 --> 00:40:47,996
Speaker 2: I went to UH, I went to New York. I

936
00:40:48,036 --> 00:40:50,436
Speaker 2: went to New York last year and it was so fun,

937
00:40:51,036 --> 00:40:53,996
Speaker 2: Like it's so it's insane. And then also just getting

938
00:40:53,996 --> 00:40:57,636
Speaker 2: to do that like with my family as well, Like

939
00:40:58,076 --> 00:41:00,916
Speaker 2: my dad had kept being like because it hadn't announced

940
00:41:00,956 --> 00:41:02,516
Speaker 2: for ages and I told him about it and he

941
00:41:02,636 --> 00:41:05,596
Speaker 2: was like, I guess it's not happening. Then I guess,

942
00:41:06,116 --> 00:41:08,556
Speaker 2: I guess it's I guess didn't have your right.

943
00:41:08,756 --> 00:41:10,356
Speaker 3: It's sorry for you. And I'm like, no doubt it

944
00:41:10,396 --> 00:41:10,876
Speaker 3: is happening.

945
00:41:10,876 --> 00:41:12,796
Speaker 2: Like you know, they don't believe anything until it's like

946
00:41:12,956 --> 00:41:15,756
Speaker 2: in until like their friends can see it or whatever,

947
00:41:15,796 --> 00:41:17,996
Speaker 2: and like in like the press and I'm like the dad,

948
00:41:18,036 --> 00:41:20,556
Speaker 2: I swear Something's like not yeah, what that would have

949
00:41:20,556 --> 00:41:22,116
Speaker 2: been fun. I'm like, no, no, no, We're going to go

950
00:41:22,156 --> 00:41:23,836
Speaker 2: to Wembley like it's it is.

951
00:41:24,276 --> 00:41:24,916
Speaker 3: It is a thing.

952
00:41:24,956 --> 00:41:26,956
Speaker 2: And then he was just kind of like, you know,

953
00:41:27,036 --> 00:41:29,396
Speaker 2: it was like he couldn't he couldn't believe it. So

954
00:41:29,516 --> 00:41:32,636
Speaker 2: like doing that thing, having that moment in your hometown

955
00:41:32,756 --> 00:41:37,156
Speaker 2: with your family, with all your friends around, was like

956
00:41:37,236 --> 00:41:39,076
Speaker 2: one of the coolest days of my life.

957
00:41:39,156 --> 00:41:41,716
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really wild. That is really it's really wild.

958
00:41:41,796 --> 00:41:45,876
Speaker 1: Fun Wan circle back quick. You mentioned that you played

959
00:41:45,876 --> 00:41:48,636
Speaker 1: piano and your partner played piano. Did you learn how

960
00:41:48,636 --> 00:41:50,196
Speaker 1: to play piano through Daisy Jones?

961
00:41:50,236 --> 00:41:52,076
Speaker 2: In this I mean, I like played a little bit before,

962
00:41:52,116 --> 00:41:55,156
Speaker 2: but there's nothing like learning. Yes, being and like having

963
00:41:55,236 --> 00:41:57,516
Speaker 2: a teacher for three hours a day and like actually,

964
00:41:57,956 --> 00:42:00,796
Speaker 2: you know, really getting into it and doing like all

965
00:42:00,836 --> 00:42:02,116
Speaker 2: the crazy shit that we had to.

966
00:42:02,076 --> 00:42:04,396
Speaker 3: Do, which is what you had for We learned, like.

967
00:42:04,436 --> 00:42:06,716
Speaker 2: You know, we learned like so many songs, and there

968
00:42:06,796 --> 00:42:09,396
Speaker 2: was like a Beethoven thing at some point that they

969
00:42:09,396 --> 00:42:11,316
Speaker 2: were like this is going to be You're going to

970
00:42:11,436 --> 00:42:14,756
Speaker 2: be filmed doing like this big like piano moment, and

971
00:42:14,796 --> 00:42:19,316
Speaker 2: I learned it for literally, I'm not joking, like yeah,

972
00:42:19,836 --> 00:42:24,636
Speaker 2: like every day obsessively, obsessively obsessively and then they're like,

973
00:42:24,716 --> 00:42:26,196
Speaker 2: oh no, we're actually not going to do that. So

974
00:42:26,316 --> 00:42:28,756
Speaker 2: but it was like amazing because I got you know,

975
00:42:28,836 --> 00:42:31,036
Speaker 2: I got to like do that and it was and

976
00:42:31,116 --> 00:42:34,556
Speaker 2: also that like year coming up to that we had

977
00:42:34,596 --> 00:42:35,996
Speaker 2: before that was COVID and everything.

978
00:42:35,996 --> 00:42:36,796
Speaker 3: It was like, thank god.

979
00:42:36,876 --> 00:42:39,676
Speaker 2: It was like the best thing ever to literally just

980
00:42:40,116 --> 00:42:41,956
Speaker 2: do zoom practice.

981
00:42:41,556 --> 00:42:42,756
Speaker 3: For like three hours a day.

982
00:42:42,796 --> 00:42:45,636
Speaker 2: I was like obsessed and it was so great for

983
00:42:45,676 --> 00:42:48,316
Speaker 2: me and writing as well to get so much better

984
00:42:48,356 --> 00:42:51,276
Speaker 2: at it. Yeah, but yeah, I'm always like yeah, I'm

985
00:42:51,316 --> 00:42:54,156
Speaker 2: always doing I'm still and now I'm like doing it

986
00:42:54,156 --> 00:42:57,716
Speaker 2: all the time. I still have piano lessons and it's

987
00:42:57,756 --> 00:43:00,156
Speaker 2: just good. It's just like the best thing ever to

988
00:43:00,436 --> 00:43:03,916
Speaker 2: make you. It makes you. It's just like so therapeutic

989
00:43:03,996 --> 00:43:04,356
Speaker 2: as well.

990
00:43:04,636 --> 00:43:08,076
Speaker 1: Absolutely, do you do you primarily write on piano or

991
00:43:08,116 --> 00:43:10,516
Speaker 1: guitar or do you not on an instrument? How are you?

992
00:43:10,636 --> 00:43:13,876
Speaker 2: I probably right on usually I'm always right. I'm kind

993
00:43:13,876 --> 00:43:16,236
Speaker 2: of like start going on guitar and like I'm okay

994
00:43:16,356 --> 00:43:19,316
Speaker 2: at guitar, Like I can get through. But you don't, Yeah,

995
00:43:19,396 --> 00:43:22,796
Speaker 2: you don't actually like I'll do piano or guitar. But

996
00:43:23,316 --> 00:43:26,396
Speaker 2: I never like I never think you need you don't

997
00:43:26,436 --> 00:43:29,396
Speaker 2: actually need to be like prolific in a lot of ways.

998
00:43:29,436 --> 00:43:30,116
Speaker 3: It's kind of.

999
00:43:31,796 --> 00:43:34,476
Speaker 2: Yeah, like some I think it's more it's like more

1000
00:43:34,516 --> 00:43:39,476
Speaker 2: the practice of just going with like going and actually

1001
00:43:39,516 --> 00:43:42,116
Speaker 2: sitting and like forcing yourself and being like you're not

1002
00:43:42,436 --> 00:43:44,316
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to leave, and you've got to like

1003
00:43:45,076 --> 00:43:49,196
Speaker 2: you've got to actually be present. And that's the way

1004
00:43:49,236 --> 00:43:51,676
Speaker 2: that I find out like what's truly on my mind?

1005
00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:52,796
Speaker 3: Because I don't know.

1006
00:43:52,836 --> 00:43:56,036
Speaker 2: It's very it's very easy to It's yeah, it's like

1007
00:43:56,036 --> 00:43:58,156
Speaker 2: a practice doing that because it's very easy to like

1008
00:43:58,396 --> 00:44:01,916
Speaker 2: not even know what you're feeling or what you're you know,

1009
00:44:01,956 --> 00:44:04,756
Speaker 2: when your life is just like going, is.

1010
00:44:04,676 --> 00:44:06,356
Speaker 1: It an outlet? For you, like, do you do that

1011
00:44:06,556 --> 00:44:08,876
Speaker 1: in other words, do you do that as a way

1012
00:44:08,916 --> 00:44:11,356
Speaker 1: of to just sort of decompress or is it with

1013
00:44:11,436 --> 00:44:13,436
Speaker 1: the purpose of, like I want to write an album

1014
00:44:13,836 --> 00:44:15,796
Speaker 1: or write some songs and see what comes out.

1015
00:44:15,876 --> 00:44:18,356
Speaker 2: Or no, because I don't think I'm ever like like

1016
00:44:18,396 --> 00:44:22,076
Speaker 2: i've I'm like, you know, in a way, I'm not.

1017
00:44:22,236 --> 00:44:24,156
Speaker 2: I don't really work where I'm like, I'm going to

1018
00:44:24,196 --> 00:44:27,716
Speaker 2: write an album, so I'm going to go and you know,

1019
00:44:27,836 --> 00:44:29,916
Speaker 2: I've got two months to make a record and that's

1020
00:44:29,916 --> 00:44:31,196
Speaker 2: where I'm going to write all the songs.

1021
00:44:31,196 --> 00:44:33,236
Speaker 3: So that sounds like absolute hell to me.

1022
00:44:33,676 --> 00:44:36,036
Speaker 2: It's like not what I would whatever want to be doing.

1023
00:44:36,036 --> 00:44:39,316
Speaker 2: I want to be like hit by something and be

1024
00:44:39,476 --> 00:44:41,356
Speaker 2: sparked by it and then go and write the song.

1025
00:44:41,796 --> 00:44:44,756
Speaker 2: And then if I like that, if that song is

1026
00:44:44,796 --> 00:44:47,196
Speaker 2: still coming back to me and it's still and I

1027
00:44:47,236 --> 00:44:49,876
Speaker 2: haven't like you know, if it's if it makes it

1028
00:44:49,996 --> 00:44:52,516
Speaker 2: at the end and I still am in love with it,

1029
00:44:52,596 --> 00:44:56,356
Speaker 2: then it you know, it's like you can, yeah, it

1030
00:44:56,396 --> 00:44:58,476
Speaker 2: has to like stay in my heart, I guess for

1031
00:44:58,516 --> 00:45:00,796
Speaker 2: a long time, but yeah I can't. I kind of

1032
00:45:00,836 --> 00:45:07,116
Speaker 2: am always in that writing mode in a way because yeah,

1033
00:45:07,236 --> 00:45:08,596
Speaker 2: not that I have like a song that I want

1034
00:45:08,636 --> 00:45:10,156
Speaker 2: to write about every day, like at all.

1035
00:45:10,356 --> 00:45:12,516
Speaker 1: But but you force yourself to sort of sit down

1036
00:45:12,676 --> 00:45:16,596
Speaker 1: quietly and yeah, work out some stuff and maybe someone

1037
00:45:16,636 --> 00:45:17,236
Speaker 1: comes out or not.

1038
00:45:17,756 --> 00:45:21,076
Speaker 3: It sounds like right, yeah, yeah, it's.

1039
00:45:20,716 --> 00:45:22,836
Speaker 1: Some dedicated songwriting time.

1040
00:45:23,476 --> 00:45:25,716
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like that frustrating thing because you might

1041
00:45:25,876 --> 00:45:28,436
Speaker 2: you might also sit there and absolutely nothing comes out,

1042
00:45:28,516 --> 00:45:31,996
Speaker 2: and that's like, you know, it's like so you also

1043
00:45:32,076 --> 00:45:34,476
Speaker 2: can't be like have something come out. Like it's kind

1044
00:45:34,476 --> 00:45:36,836
Speaker 2: of it's just like about yeah, I guess it's like

1045
00:45:36,996 --> 00:45:43,156
Speaker 2: about trying to like shut off even whatever the hell

1046
00:45:43,196 --> 00:45:45,196
Speaker 2: you can distract yourself with. And I will fight with

1047
00:45:45,236 --> 00:45:48,276
Speaker 2: myself like it's you know, it's yeah, it's difficult to

1048
00:45:49,676 --> 00:45:52,076
Speaker 2: and a lot of the times it's like a yeah,

1049
00:45:52,076 --> 00:45:54,156
Speaker 2: it's like a moment or it's like a conversation about

1050
00:45:54,156 --> 00:45:55,916
Speaker 2: someone getting drunk or like did it. It's like a

1051
00:45:55,996 --> 00:45:58,196
Speaker 2: thing and I've got like okay, and now I've got

1052
00:45:58,196 --> 00:45:59,916
Speaker 2: to go and I want to go and write it

1053
00:45:59,996 --> 00:46:03,236
Speaker 2: and and get that out now because I'll like forget

1054
00:46:03,276 --> 00:46:04,116
Speaker 2: about it or I won't.

1055
00:46:04,156 --> 00:46:06,276
Speaker 3: It won't feel it feels.

1056
00:46:06,356 --> 00:46:08,476
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like these little moments where something I

1057
00:46:08,516 --> 00:46:12,876
Speaker 2: get like get like super sparked by by whatever it is.

1058
00:46:12,916 --> 00:46:14,676
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I think, yeah, I think I'm

1059
00:46:14,876 --> 00:46:19,276
Speaker 2: I'm quite like I'm definitely an artist that will go

1060
00:46:19,436 --> 00:46:22,356
Speaker 2: and look for things in all kinds of places.

1061
00:46:22,396 --> 00:46:24,836
Speaker 3: Like it's yeah.

1062
00:46:24,676 --> 00:46:28,716
Speaker 2: It's it's that there's like so much and it and

1063
00:46:28,756 --> 00:46:31,716
Speaker 2: it also is like such a joy because if and

1064
00:46:31,756 --> 00:46:34,316
Speaker 2: it's always like bled in you know, it's always bled

1065
00:46:34,356 --> 00:46:38,596
Speaker 2: from fashion and film as well, and it and like

1066
00:46:39,116 --> 00:46:41,876
Speaker 2: and from like my own personal life very much so.

1067
00:46:42,316 --> 00:46:44,996
Speaker 2: But like it kind of all feels like very open

1068
00:46:45,036 --> 00:46:48,036
Speaker 2: and open to you know that it could that kind

1069
00:46:48,036 --> 00:46:51,156
Speaker 2: of something might come from from anywhere in a way.

1070
00:46:51,316 --> 00:46:54,396
Speaker 1: Yeah, your videos are cool too. I actually really like you.

1071
00:46:54,916 --> 00:46:56,716
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can't I can't wait for you to

1072
00:46:56,756 --> 00:46:59,596
Speaker 2: watch the new video I just made for Do you

1073
00:46:59,636 --> 00:47:01,316
Speaker 2: listen to that song model actress whatever?

1074
00:47:01,596 --> 00:47:03,876
Speaker 1: I was going to bring that up for it.

1075
00:47:03,956 --> 00:47:06,716
Speaker 2: I'm never been more excited about a video in my life.

1076
00:47:06,916 --> 00:47:10,396
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's just like completely different from

1077
00:47:10,436 --> 00:47:13,516
Speaker 2: what I've ever done. It's really like taking the piss

1078
00:47:13,516 --> 00:47:15,996
Speaker 2: out of myself and in like a kind of very

1079
00:47:16,036 --> 00:47:21,956
Speaker 2: empowering way. But it's like genuinely really funny and I

1080
00:47:21,996 --> 00:47:24,276
Speaker 2: don't know, I've never done something that's like funny and

1081
00:47:24,316 --> 00:47:27,476
Speaker 2: it's got script in it, and like there's just like, yeah,

1082
00:47:27,516 --> 00:47:30,796
Speaker 2: I feel like there's like so much personality that comes

1083
00:47:30,796 --> 00:47:33,876
Speaker 2: out in it and kind of the yeah that I

1084
00:47:34,356 --> 00:47:36,436
Speaker 2: just quite got to put so much of myself into it.

1085
00:47:36,516 --> 00:47:38,196
Speaker 2: I really can't wait for you to see that one.

1086
00:47:38,236 --> 00:47:39,036
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see you.

1087
00:47:39,116 --> 00:47:41,076
Speaker 2: But yeah, so like fashion what I was saying, it's

1088
00:47:41,116 --> 00:47:44,716
Speaker 2: like so much you know, there's so much that that

1089
00:47:44,836 --> 00:47:47,996
Speaker 2: I can pull from and bring into like creating like

1090
00:47:48,036 --> 00:47:52,036
Speaker 2: a world around the music, which is really like the

1091
00:47:52,076 --> 00:47:54,716
Speaker 2: most you know, like yeah, you want, you want the

1092
00:47:54,796 --> 00:47:58,756
Speaker 2: music to be awesome, but there's so much else around

1093
00:47:58,836 --> 00:48:02,236
Speaker 2: that little three minute song yeah that you're you know,

1094
00:48:02,356 --> 00:48:07,156
Speaker 2: that you're putting into making, yeah, making it an experience

1095
00:48:07,236 --> 00:48:07,716
Speaker 2: for people.

1096
00:48:07,836 --> 00:48:09,756
Speaker 1: It's cool the ye all these I mean, it's it's

1097
00:48:09,796 --> 00:48:12,156
Speaker 1: like you've kind of I mean, I guess you just

1098
00:48:12,236 --> 00:48:13,876
Speaker 1: you said you're taking like kind of like the piss

1099
00:48:13,876 --> 00:48:15,756
Speaker 1: out of you. First of all, when I.

1100
00:48:15,636 --> 00:48:18,036
Speaker 3: First take myself exactly.

1101
00:48:17,716 --> 00:48:20,276
Speaker 1: When I first heard your I think I didn't get

1102
00:48:20,316 --> 00:48:22,436
Speaker 1: hip to you till your first album and I heard

1103
00:48:22,516 --> 00:48:25,636
Speaker 1: Move and I was kind of done it, like I

1104
00:48:25,796 --> 00:48:28,876
Speaker 1: was the Susie Quadro line. I was like, I'm inn

1105
00:48:28,996 --> 00:48:30,596
Speaker 1: like this is like it was, that's so funny.

1106
00:48:30,636 --> 00:48:32,876
Speaker 2: That line was something that like I always have like

1107
00:48:32,916 --> 00:48:35,476
Speaker 2: little lines and all things you know that you write

1108
00:48:35,556 --> 00:48:38,036
Speaker 2: down on something, oh, something someone said to me, And

1109
00:48:38,076 --> 00:48:41,156
Speaker 2: that line was like I was backstage at a white

1110
00:48:41,156 --> 00:48:42,676
Speaker 2: stripe show like years.

1111
00:48:42,396 --> 00:48:44,716
Speaker 3: And years and years before and years ago there.

1112
00:48:44,796 --> 00:48:46,796
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I was, and I was wearing like

1113
00:48:47,396 --> 00:48:49,596
Speaker 2: some like leather thing and I was quite young, and

1114
00:48:49,716 --> 00:48:52,876
Speaker 2: Jack White like walked back, like walked past me and

1115
00:48:53,036 --> 00:48:55,996
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you look like Susie Quatro and that,

1116
00:48:56,436 --> 00:48:58,756
Speaker 2: and that was like I didn't know who Susie Quatro was,

1117
00:48:58,796 --> 00:49:01,156
Speaker 2: but I was like, I was like, who's that? And

1118
00:49:01,196 --> 00:49:03,116
Speaker 2: I like went home and got really into her music,

1119
00:49:03,156 --> 00:49:05,396
Speaker 2: and I was like, and you know, I wrote down

1120
00:49:05,476 --> 00:49:06,916
Speaker 2: like dear Harry.

1121
00:49:06,756 --> 00:49:10,156
Speaker 3: Like like Jack White said that I like Susie Quatrix.

1122
00:49:10,356 --> 00:49:12,396
Speaker 2: So I ended up like putting that in a song

1123
00:49:12,436 --> 00:49:14,876
Speaker 2: that was kind of about like a totally different thing

1124
00:49:14,996 --> 00:49:17,396
Speaker 2: about like a certain night that had with somebody who

1125
00:49:17,636 --> 00:49:19,716
Speaker 2: who didn't say that I looked like Susiequadron, but I

1126
00:49:19,716 --> 00:49:20,636
Speaker 2: had that line in there.

1127
00:49:20,876 --> 00:49:23,636
Speaker 3: Yeah, So sorry. That was a sidebar No, it's incredible.

1128
00:49:24,516 --> 00:49:28,716
Speaker 1: Jack White told me I look like Malcolm Glad very different.

1129
00:49:28,796 --> 00:49:33,636
Speaker 1: Jack White stories Susie Quadron, I love Malcai's a friend,

1130
00:49:33,636 --> 00:49:35,836
Speaker 1: but Jesus Christ, Suzi Quadrill is cool as hell.

1131
00:49:35,956 --> 00:49:36,676
Speaker 3: Yeah that was cool.

1132
00:49:37,196 --> 00:49:39,636
Speaker 1: That's that's it's incredible that came from from from him,

1133
00:49:39,676 --> 00:49:43,836
Speaker 1: from a from a Detroit No, the Detroit legend. But yeah,

1134
00:49:43,836 --> 00:49:45,556
Speaker 1: I was in. I was in at that. So I

1135
00:49:45,596 --> 00:49:47,756
Speaker 1: remember hearing that, heard that line, that's fucking incredible. I

1136
00:49:47,796 --> 00:49:50,356
Speaker 1: heard the rest of songs, songs amazing, heard the album,

1137
00:49:50,436 --> 00:49:51,836
Speaker 1: loved that album, and then I was like, looked at Hi.

1138
00:49:51,836 --> 00:49:52,916
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I didn't. I didn't even know

1139
00:49:52,996 --> 00:49:55,636
Speaker 1: you were a model and an actress. But it's incredible

1140
00:49:55,636 --> 00:49:59,676
Speaker 1: that you have all these different sort of areas to play,

1141
00:49:59,756 --> 00:50:02,316
Speaker 1: being able to go do Daisy Joneson's six or whatever

1142
00:50:02,356 --> 00:50:04,436
Speaker 1: comes next in terms of your acting, and then go

1143
00:50:04,436 --> 00:50:07,116
Speaker 1: do an album. It's like if something ever gets frustrated

1144
00:50:07,116 --> 00:50:08,756
Speaker 1: and isn't fun anymore, you can kind of go focus

1145
00:50:08,796 --> 00:50:09,516
Speaker 1: on the other thing.

1146
00:50:09,996 --> 00:50:13,196
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really I'm really lucky to have had that experience,

1147
00:50:13,516 --> 00:50:15,836
Speaker 2: especially like I mean, it's it felt like that to

1148
00:50:15,876 --> 00:50:17,836
Speaker 2: be honest with you, like who knows what the next

1149
00:50:17,876 --> 00:50:21,276
Speaker 2: few years will be like. And it was very unique

1150
00:50:21,316 --> 00:50:23,356
Speaker 2: the last couple of years to do to get to

1151
00:50:23,396 --> 00:50:26,596
Speaker 2: do such an amazing show, and then you know, when

1152
00:50:26,636 --> 00:50:28,756
Speaker 2: I even signed on to that show, I hadn't even

1153
00:50:28,756 --> 00:50:29,596
Speaker 2: made a.

1154
00:50:29,516 --> 00:50:32,476
Speaker 3: Record, so it was no, what did you sign on

1155
00:50:32,676 --> 00:50:34,396
Speaker 3: like January twenty twenty, Wow?

1156
00:50:34,476 --> 00:50:35,716
Speaker 1: Uh no, But.

1157
00:50:35,876 --> 00:50:38,596
Speaker 2: Before that and then and then we went to rehearsals,

1158
00:50:38,636 --> 00:50:40,756
Speaker 2: then everything closed down. Then we had to push for

1159
00:50:40,756 --> 00:50:43,396
Speaker 2: a year and made very record in between. Then when

1160
00:50:43,436 --> 00:50:45,836
Speaker 2: the world shut down, then we went back shot it.

1161
00:50:46,156 --> 00:50:49,116
Speaker 2: And the day Daisy Jones finished was when my record

1162
00:50:49,156 --> 00:50:51,956
Speaker 2: came out. And then we'd been acting going on tour,

1163
00:50:52,036 --> 00:50:54,436
Speaker 2: and then I went on tour. So it was a

1164
00:50:54,556 --> 00:50:57,596
Speaker 2: very unique, strange like that was like a very unique

1165
00:50:57,636 --> 00:51:00,836
Speaker 2: situation where like, oh, it's been like I feel like, yeah,

1166
00:51:00,836 --> 00:51:04,716
Speaker 2: when I look at like, oh, being able to act

1167
00:51:04,756 --> 00:51:07,196
Speaker 2: and do music and do that that I really think

1168
00:51:07,236 --> 00:51:10,596
Speaker 2: like the lost yeah, the last two it's a unique situation.

1169
00:51:10,716 --> 00:51:13,316
Speaker 2: And it was like it wasn't like very sustainable, Like

1170
00:51:13,356 --> 00:51:14,916
Speaker 2: I was waking up at like four in the morning

1171
00:51:14,956 --> 00:51:16,716
Speaker 2: doing interviews for the album.

1172
00:51:16,476 --> 00:51:18,716
Speaker 3: Release, like it was like incredibly hactic.

1173
00:51:18,756 --> 00:51:21,116
Speaker 2: It probably wouldn't like something that like that I don't

1174
00:51:21,156 --> 00:51:23,236
Speaker 2: think would work now, like especially now I have like

1175
00:51:23,276 --> 00:51:26,636
Speaker 2: a kid, Yeah, exactly. So it was very it was

1176
00:51:26,676 --> 00:51:28,916
Speaker 2: like a very unique kind of set of events and

1177
00:51:28,996 --> 00:51:32,956
Speaker 2: like and also like and kind of finally having that

1178
00:51:32,996 --> 00:51:35,796
Speaker 2: moment where I could where I could kind of where

1179
00:51:35,836 --> 00:51:38,316
Speaker 2: I yeah got it together to even like put a

1180
00:51:38,396 --> 00:51:40,556
Speaker 2: record out and like push myself in that way because

1181
00:51:40,556 --> 00:51:43,516
Speaker 2: I was yeah, I was like scared. I was like, yeah,

1182
00:51:43,556 --> 00:51:45,596
Speaker 2: it was really like a hell back for a long

1183
00:51:45,636 --> 00:51:49,156
Speaker 2: time because of like, yeah, I guess like a lot

1184
00:51:49,196 --> 00:51:51,316
Speaker 2: of like fear of and it's just timing.

1185
00:51:51,356 --> 00:51:51,716
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1186
00:51:51,796 --> 00:51:56,796
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes just suddenly something your your instincts suddenly go okay,

1187
00:51:57,196 --> 00:52:00,076
Speaker 2: it's it's time to. It's it's like time to, it's

1188
00:52:00,116 --> 00:52:02,716
Speaker 2: it's your you know. It's like a moment where and

1189
00:52:02,796 --> 00:52:05,356
Speaker 2: I had, yeah I had, I had low expectations and

1190
00:52:05,396 --> 00:52:07,996
Speaker 2: it turned out like better than I thought it would,

1191
00:52:08,116 --> 00:52:10,036
Speaker 2: which is cool. But you just never I don't know,

1192
00:52:10,076 --> 00:52:13,316
Speaker 2: you never know which way you're going in this crazy

1193
00:52:13,596 --> 00:52:16,196
Speaker 2: world that we are in. So yeah, it's been Yeah,

1194
00:52:16,236 --> 00:52:18,836
Speaker 2: I wouldn't It's not like yeah, I don't know if

1195
00:52:18,836 --> 00:52:19,676
Speaker 2: it will always be.

1196
00:52:19,676 --> 00:52:23,076
Speaker 3: Like you know, seems so seamless as well, you.

1197
00:52:23,116 --> 00:52:24,476
Speaker 1: Know, but also fil must have kind of be like

1198
00:52:24,516 --> 00:52:26,396
Speaker 1: a which ways up kind of thing too, like you know,

1199
00:52:26,436 --> 00:52:29,076
Speaker 1: in terms of you're on stage, and the performances in

1200
00:52:29,156 --> 00:52:33,556
Speaker 1: Daisy Johones and the Six were like incredibly like not

1201
00:52:33,676 --> 00:52:36,236
Speaker 1: realistic the word, but I mean they were incredibly convincing.

1202
00:52:36,276 --> 00:52:36,516
Speaker 1: You guys.

1203
00:52:36,836 --> 00:52:39,196
Speaker 2: They really made us like, actually do they like we

1204
00:52:39,436 --> 00:52:43,316
Speaker 2: We had to play every single note they wanted to. Yeah,

1205
00:52:43,356 --> 00:52:45,716
Speaker 2: they wanted the cameras, so we rehearsed hours and hours

1206
00:52:45,756 --> 00:52:47,956
Speaker 2: a day. They wanted the cameras to be able to

1207
00:52:48,076 --> 00:52:49,876
Speaker 2: roam and that you would be hitting the right note

1208
00:52:49,876 --> 00:52:50,556
Speaker 2: at the right time.

1209
00:52:50,636 --> 00:52:52,636
Speaker 3: So it was like they really weren't messing around.

1210
00:52:52,676 --> 00:52:55,356
Speaker 2: They weren't playing with us like they were like when

1211
00:52:55,356 --> 00:52:57,156
Speaker 2: we signed on, it was like this is going to

1212
00:52:57,196 --> 00:53:00,036
Speaker 2: be an incredibly intense like we want.

1213
00:52:59,836 --> 00:53:01,556
Speaker 3: Every you know.

1214
00:53:01,636 --> 00:53:03,196
Speaker 2: And that was kind of scary because at the beginning,

1215
00:53:03,196 --> 00:53:05,876
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, it's like a job interfere.

1216
00:53:05,556 --> 00:53:08,996
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, we all were doing that.

1217
00:53:09,196 --> 00:53:11,516
Speaker 2: We were all like oh yeah, and then and then

1218
00:53:11,596 --> 00:53:14,596
Speaker 2: you know, you just but yeah, you and we come on.

1219
00:53:14,716 --> 00:53:18,756
Speaker 1: I mean, she's got such an amazing voice.

1220
00:53:18,796 --> 00:53:22,316
Speaker 3: Her voice is really really stunning, and she should really.

1221
00:53:24,756 --> 00:53:25,596
Speaker 1: She sounds great.

1222
00:53:25,756 --> 00:53:26,516
Speaker 3: Yeah, she has like.

1223
00:53:26,556 --> 00:53:30,236
Speaker 2: An incredibly unique like she can really belt and it's beautiful,

1224
00:53:30,276 --> 00:53:32,276
Speaker 2: and she just knew what to do on stage, Like

1225
00:53:32,356 --> 00:53:33,236
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable.

1226
00:53:33,276 --> 00:53:34,916
Speaker 1: It has to be in her DNA somewhere.

1227
00:53:34,996 --> 00:53:38,036
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean everything, Like she's just like

1228
00:53:38,236 --> 00:53:41,516
Speaker 2: such an amazing actress and like such a fun human

1229
00:53:41,956 --> 00:53:43,756
Speaker 2: to be around, like everyone was.

1230
00:53:44,956 --> 00:53:47,116
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that was that was that.

1231
00:53:47,276 --> 00:53:49,196
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we kind of like knew going in that

1232
00:53:49,276 --> 00:53:50,596
Speaker 2: it was really going to be like that.

1233
00:53:50,716 --> 00:53:51,516
Speaker 3: You know, it was serious.

1234
00:53:51,556 --> 00:53:54,596
Speaker 2: It was boot camp and we did so much, so

1235
00:53:54,756 --> 00:53:56,916
Speaker 2: much work before we actually got on stage, but it

1236
00:53:56,996 --> 00:53:58,196
Speaker 2: was Yeah, it made it.

1237
00:53:58,196 --> 00:53:59,436
Speaker 3: It made it like so much.

1238
00:53:59,636 --> 00:54:02,756
Speaker 2: It made it like so rewarding actually and so funny

1239
00:54:02,796 --> 00:54:04,796
Speaker 2: as well to do that with a group of people,

1240
00:54:04,876 --> 00:54:07,716
Speaker 2: you know, like it's so funny to be like basically

1241
00:54:07,836 --> 00:54:11,516
Speaker 2: suck and like and all just like get better together

1242
00:54:11,636 --> 00:54:13,716
Speaker 2: and actually like by the end be like, yeah, we

1243
00:54:13,876 --> 00:54:14,636
Speaker 2: like we did this.

1244
00:54:14,876 --> 00:54:18,236
Speaker 1: You guys could actually do an album that wasn't the soundtrack.

1245
00:54:18,356 --> 00:54:20,756
Speaker 3: I know, it would be so fun. Yeah, it would

1246
00:54:20,796 --> 00:54:21,076
Speaker 3: be fun.

1247
00:54:21,196 --> 00:54:22,796
Speaker 2: We were trying to we were trying to go on

1248
00:54:22,836 --> 00:54:25,076
Speaker 2: stage and everything, and then there was like strikes and

1249
00:54:25,116 --> 00:54:26,356
Speaker 2: all kinds of things that happened.

1250
00:54:26,836 --> 00:54:32,076
Speaker 1: Yeah, before you go, what what's the store? Lawsuit? Peacked

1251
00:54:32,156 --> 00:54:32,716
Speaker 1: my my?

1252
00:54:33,036 --> 00:54:33,956
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, do you like it?

1253
00:54:34,356 --> 00:54:37,556
Speaker 1: I do? And then yeah, but like it was that

1254
00:54:38,556 --> 00:54:40,956
Speaker 1: was that? What I mean? Did it? Does that come

1255
00:54:41,036 --> 00:54:42,716
Speaker 1: up from your life or is it just I feel

1256
00:54:42,796 --> 00:54:43,236
Speaker 1: like that.

1257
00:54:43,116 --> 00:54:45,716
Speaker 2: One was like a cheeky like we wanted like a

1258
00:54:45,876 --> 00:54:49,076
Speaker 2: metaphor for like I can't Yeah, I kind of like

1259
00:54:49,196 --> 00:54:52,036
Speaker 2: love the idea of yeah, it's probably what you're going

1260
00:54:52,076 --> 00:54:54,076
Speaker 2: back to you like sounding quite mean, actually, isn't it.

1261
00:54:54,076 --> 00:54:57,516
Speaker 3: It's like you're like, that's scary. That is scary.

1262
00:54:57,716 --> 00:55:01,196
Speaker 2: But I thought that word was quite like an entertaining

1263
00:55:01,396 --> 00:55:03,716
Speaker 2: kind of idea of like, yeah, all the girls lyning

1264
00:55:03,756 --> 00:55:07,956
Speaker 2: around the bathroom and like everyone's everyone's exchanging information and

1265
00:55:07,996 --> 00:55:10,836
Speaker 2: like there's a bunch of that like know, you know,

1266
00:55:10,876 --> 00:55:14,436
Speaker 2: we've all like got we've all like actually discussed what

1267
00:55:14,476 --> 00:55:16,196
Speaker 2: you're like, and we've got this like yeah, it's like

1268
00:55:16,196 --> 00:55:18,916
Speaker 2: a metaphorical kind of like we've we've got like the

1269
00:55:18,956 --> 00:55:21,156
Speaker 2: lawsuit of all the ship that you've that you've.

1270
00:55:20,996 --> 00:55:24,356
Speaker 3: Done, you know. Yeah, but that was Yeah, I don't know,

1271
00:55:24,396 --> 00:55:25,516
Speaker 3: I think like that kind.

1272
00:55:25,396 --> 00:55:26,916
Speaker 1: Of how did you hit on that as a metaphor

1273
00:55:26,996 --> 00:55:27,996
Speaker 1: sorry that kind.

1274
00:55:27,796 --> 00:55:30,556
Speaker 2: Of well, it was like kind of that sort of yeah,

1275
00:55:30,556 --> 00:55:33,356
Speaker 2: I guess I kind of wanted like a Chryl Crowe song.

1276
00:55:33,836 --> 00:55:36,556
Speaker 2: I think that was like where where I went to

1277
00:55:36,716 --> 00:55:38,716
Speaker 2: with that, like, you know, having that kind of like

1278
00:55:38,796 --> 00:55:43,876
Speaker 2: laid back. I love Lucinder Williams. I love like that

1279
00:55:43,996 --> 00:55:47,476
Speaker 2: plain song problem with It. That was like another so

1280
00:55:47,596 --> 00:55:51,396
Speaker 2: good Katie from Maxahachius and it's like the most beautiful

1281
00:55:51,436 --> 00:55:55,836
Speaker 2: song problem with It. But yeah, like something you know,

1282
00:55:55,916 --> 00:55:58,116
Speaker 2: and and like going on tour as well, like you

1283
00:55:58,196 --> 00:56:00,756
Speaker 2: start going, yeah, I don't know, like changed me a lot,

1284
00:56:00,916 --> 00:56:03,996
Speaker 2: like starting to go and do shows and you think,

1285
00:56:04,076 --> 00:56:06,116
Speaker 2: like you start going like what would be.

1286
00:56:06,116 --> 00:56:08,756
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, good luck with that last suit you know

1287
00:56:08,796 --> 00:56:09,076
Speaker 3: you got.

1288
00:56:09,396 --> 00:56:11,316
Speaker 2: I just knew that kind of kept going around my

1289
00:56:11,316 --> 00:56:13,556
Speaker 2: head and I was like, oh, that's that would be

1290
00:56:13,596 --> 00:56:16,916
Speaker 2: like a really fun thing for people to pay for,

1291
00:56:16,916 --> 00:56:18,596
Speaker 2: for people to like be singing a show.

1292
00:56:18,676 --> 00:56:22,276
Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. And I mean I was curious to also.

1293
00:56:22,276 --> 00:56:24,116
Speaker 1: I guess I was sort of curious too, Like just

1294
00:56:24,156 --> 00:56:28,476
Speaker 1: with your I mean there's so many I don't phrase

1295
00:56:28,516 --> 00:56:30,956
Speaker 1: other than I guess in acting, it feels like there's

1296
00:56:30,956 --> 00:56:33,356
Speaker 1: a lot of bad act bad actors, not in the

1297
00:56:33,396 --> 00:56:36,596
Speaker 1: actual acting sense. I mean people with bad intentions, right right, right,

1298
00:56:36,676 --> 00:56:39,156
Speaker 1: you can come across that, you can come across And

1299
00:56:39,676 --> 00:56:43,836
Speaker 1: I don't know much about the modeling world. I imagine

1300
00:56:43,876 --> 00:56:44,716
Speaker 1: that's there as well.

1301
00:56:45,196 --> 00:56:45,716
Speaker 3: Fucked up.

1302
00:56:46,156 --> 00:56:52,196
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all fun, it's not all fucked It's actually

1303
00:56:52,196 --> 00:56:52,996
Speaker 2: not all fun.

1304
00:56:53,876 --> 00:56:54,596
Speaker 3: It's not all fun.

1305
00:56:54,836 --> 00:56:54,956
Speaker 1: Not.

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00:56:55,996 --> 00:56:59,156
Speaker 2: No, I think there's like I think it's there's like things. Yeah,

1307
00:56:59,316 --> 00:57:02,116
Speaker 2: I think there's like things that I don't know. It's

1308
00:57:02,196 --> 00:57:05,116
Speaker 2: kind of like, but I also think there's I don't know,

1309
00:57:05,196 --> 00:57:07,436
Speaker 2: we forget that there's like really fucked up stuff that

1310
00:57:07,516 --> 00:57:07,916
Speaker 2: goes on.

1311
00:57:07,956 --> 00:57:10,676
Speaker 3: And like working at MacDonald's too, it's like you know, like.

1312
00:57:10,596 --> 00:57:14,796
Speaker 2: There's so there's there's Yeah, there's fuck, there's functionhit everywhere.

1313
00:57:14,836 --> 00:57:17,756
Speaker 2: I don't know this, there's a there's like there's stories

1314
00:57:17,796 --> 00:57:19,516
Speaker 2: as old as the Tale of Time, isn't it with

1315
00:57:19,676 --> 00:57:24,316
Speaker 2: like in our industry and like, but I don't know.

1316
00:57:24,356 --> 00:57:26,676
Speaker 2: Do you don't think music industry is fucked up as well?

1317
00:57:27,036 --> 00:57:29,156
Speaker 3: Or it can be fucked up or they can be No,

1318
00:57:29,476 --> 00:57:31,076
Speaker 3: you don't think no, it can be No, it can

1319
00:57:31,116 --> 00:57:31,596
Speaker 3: be right.

1320
00:57:31,716 --> 00:57:33,996
Speaker 2: Like look at like the history of like what happens

1321
00:57:34,036 --> 00:57:37,356
Speaker 2: to musicians and like and how I don't know, I

1322
00:57:37,356 --> 00:57:40,836
Speaker 2: think you can get Yeah, I think, yeah, maybe it's

1323
00:57:40,876 --> 00:57:45,196
Speaker 2: like a difficult thing too. I think Schapel Warren spoke

1324
00:57:45,196 --> 00:57:47,236
Speaker 2: about it recently. I feel like do you remember she

1325
00:57:47,356 --> 00:57:49,676
Speaker 2: was talking about like she said something like, oh, people

1326
00:57:50,116 --> 00:57:52,996
Speaker 2: do very well when like there's sort of like no

1327
00:57:53,116 --> 00:57:56,276
Speaker 2: boundaries and you have to you kind of you get

1328
00:57:56,316 --> 00:57:57,996
Speaker 2: like worked into the ground or like you can do

1329
00:57:58,116 --> 00:58:01,836
Speaker 2: very well, but like you you personally will you know,

1330
00:58:02,076 --> 00:58:04,636
Speaker 2: it's hard to Yeah, maybe it's hard to like have that.

1331
00:58:06,476 --> 00:58:08,116
Speaker 3: I guess it's I guess only.

1332
00:58:07,836 --> 00:58:10,596
Speaker 2: You can go, hey, is it crazy that I haven't

1333
00:58:10,636 --> 00:58:12,956
Speaker 2: had like a day off in six months?

1334
00:58:13,036 --> 00:58:13,796
Speaker 3: Or you know what I mean?

1335
00:58:13,836 --> 00:58:16,316
Speaker 2: Like and and that's actually quite difficult to be the

1336
00:58:16,996 --> 00:58:20,036
Speaker 2: advocate for yourself to like be able to actually like

1337
00:58:20,516 --> 00:58:24,356
Speaker 2: live life. And but it's like so important, especially with

1338
00:58:24,636 --> 00:58:28,276
Speaker 2: especially with music, because if there's no if you're just

1339
00:58:28,316 --> 00:58:31,596
Speaker 2: like working all the time and and you're not actually

1340
00:58:31,676 --> 00:58:34,356
Speaker 2: going to get to go and like live life, like

1341
00:58:34,996 --> 00:58:39,516
Speaker 2: what the hell, you know, you won't have anything to.

1342
00:58:38,236 --> 00:58:39,156
Speaker 3: To write about.

1343
00:58:39,316 --> 00:58:42,156
Speaker 2: So there has to be like that that breathing that

1344
00:58:42,236 --> 00:58:45,356
Speaker 2: kind of like off time in a way. But yeah,

1345
00:58:45,396 --> 00:58:47,196
Speaker 2: you have to kind of like learn how to advocate

1346
00:58:47,716 --> 00:58:50,876
Speaker 2: for yourself, which is something which is difficult when you're

1347
00:58:51,516 --> 00:58:55,036
Speaker 2: when you know you want to do really well and

1348
00:58:55,076 --> 00:58:57,396
Speaker 2: you want to like please everyone around you and all

1349
00:58:57,396 --> 00:58:58,156
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.

1350
00:58:58,436 --> 00:58:59,396
Speaker 3: It gets easy.

1351
00:58:59,436 --> 00:59:01,396
Speaker 2: I think it gets Yeah, I don't know for me personally,

1352
00:59:01,476 --> 00:59:05,556
Speaker 2: it's got it gets. It just gets easier and actually

1353
00:59:05,596 --> 00:59:07,796
Speaker 2: more enjoyable as I get older, because.

1354
00:59:09,156 --> 00:59:11,556
Speaker 3: I'm better. You go, like, I've been around the block.

1355
00:59:11,636 --> 00:59:12,236
Speaker 3: I kind of know.

1356
00:59:12,636 --> 00:59:16,916
Speaker 2: I know what it looks like to to be working

1357
00:59:16,956 --> 00:59:18,956
Speaker 2: a lot and doing well and also be miserable, and

1358
00:59:18,996 --> 00:59:21,956
Speaker 2: like you know, you you kind of you you kind

1359
00:59:21,956 --> 00:59:24,276
Speaker 2: of like figure it out more more.

1360
00:59:24,676 --> 00:59:26,796
Speaker 1: You're doing a great job. I wish I knew how

1361
00:59:26,836 --> 00:59:29,836
Speaker 1: to say no other people and set more boundaries for myself.

1362
00:59:29,836 --> 00:59:30,916
Speaker 1: So I'm walking away.

1363
00:59:30,956 --> 00:59:33,156
Speaker 2: Do you feel do you feel like overworked? Do you

1364
00:59:33,156 --> 00:59:36,756
Speaker 2: feel like it's too everything's like a lot and we're

1365
00:59:36,796 --> 00:59:40,676
Speaker 2: in your workplace though we got it's like, yeah, actually

1366
00:59:40,916 --> 00:59:43,956
Speaker 2: this is insane a little yeah, but.

1367
00:59:46,036 --> 00:59:48,276
Speaker 1: You know, actually, but you know what what I get

1368
00:59:48,316 --> 00:59:50,076
Speaker 1: to do is, but it's it's it's and it's harder.

1369
00:59:50,236 --> 00:59:51,516
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, what I get to do

1370
00:59:51,596 --> 00:59:54,036
Speaker 1: is fun and so I think it disguises a little

1371
00:59:54,076 --> 00:59:56,196
Speaker 1: more fun. Sometimes it's all about fun.

1372
00:59:56,276 --> 00:59:59,036
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it is about That's why I'm I don't know.

1373
00:59:59,076 --> 01:00:00,956
Speaker 2: That's where I'm like trying to trying to go at

1374
01:00:00,996 --> 01:00:03,716
Speaker 2: the moment is like how actually, like sometimes you forget

1375
01:00:03,756 --> 01:00:07,716
Speaker 2: that things can actually be really fun and like it

1376
01:00:07,756 --> 01:00:10,276
Speaker 2: doesn't you know, it get Yeah, it feels like it

1377
01:00:10,276 --> 01:00:13,156
Speaker 2: gets more and more fun as like a sort of Yeah,

1378
01:00:13,196 --> 01:00:15,396
Speaker 2: you have like amazing collaborators around you, and you have

1379
01:00:15,436 --> 01:00:18,236
Speaker 2: like great people and you sort of can discern better

1380
01:00:18,316 --> 01:00:20,556
Speaker 2: and like what you know who and what you want

1381
01:00:20,596 --> 01:00:21,476
Speaker 2: to be around and.

1382
01:00:21,356 --> 01:00:22,676
Speaker 3: Like how you want to create.

1383
01:00:22,836 --> 01:00:25,236
Speaker 2: Yeah, something I think about and like maybe yeah, I

1384
01:00:25,276 --> 01:00:27,436
Speaker 2: don't have to be like tortured and crazy and fucked

1385
01:00:27,516 --> 01:00:29,196
Speaker 2: up to like make stuff, you know, and it can

1386
01:00:29,516 --> 01:00:30,796
Speaker 2: there's like it doesn't.

1387
01:00:30,956 --> 01:00:32,956
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it doesn't always have to be like that

1388
01:00:33,076 --> 01:00:33,556
Speaker 3: so much.

1389
01:00:33,956 --> 01:00:35,436
Speaker 1: That's the hope. That's the hope.

1390
01:00:35,556 --> 01:00:37,916
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's like that's like, yeah, I kind

1391
01:00:37,956 --> 01:00:40,236
Speaker 2: of have that on my album cover for Memoir of

1392
01:00:40,276 --> 01:00:42,796
Speaker 2: Sparkle Muff and I have like on the back cover

1393
01:00:42,876 --> 01:00:45,196
Speaker 2: it side there's like this orange red sort of like

1394
01:00:45,436 --> 01:00:49,036
Speaker 2: La glare, which is sort of like glamorous and like sinful,

1395
01:00:49,116 --> 01:00:51,756
Speaker 2: and I've got this like kind of diamond choker around

1396
01:00:51,796 --> 01:00:54,196
Speaker 2: my neck and it's like a cage. And and then

1397
01:00:54,276 --> 01:00:58,356
Speaker 2: the front cover is sort of this like I was

1398
01:00:58,396 --> 01:01:01,516
Speaker 2: like thinking about like that movie More Holland Drive and

1399
01:01:02,196 --> 01:01:04,756
Speaker 2: like you know, the car crash in there, and I've

1400
01:01:04,836 --> 01:01:07,916
Speaker 2: like come down the street and this glamorous dress and

1401
01:01:07,956 --> 01:01:12,396
Speaker 2: I'm I found this like kind of safe, cocooned oasis

1402
01:01:12,436 --> 01:01:14,716
Speaker 2: that I've like created myself. There's like two kind of

1403
01:01:14,756 --> 01:01:18,116
Speaker 2: like flip sides for like for like the memoirs. So

1404
01:01:18,276 --> 01:01:21,076
Speaker 2: a lot of the album kind of like almost is

1405
01:01:21,116 --> 01:01:24,916
Speaker 2: like dealing or like confronting that sort of like metamorphois.

1406
01:01:24,956 --> 01:01:26,396
Speaker 1: So are you the are you the Sparkle?

1407
01:01:26,756 --> 01:01:28,436
Speaker 3: Course? Yeah?

1408
01:01:28,716 --> 01:01:31,396
Speaker 1: And it does it actually feel like a memoir? Does

1409
01:01:31,396 --> 01:01:32,476
Speaker 1: it actually feel like a memoir?

1410
01:01:32,516 --> 01:01:34,516
Speaker 3: And someone, Yeah, it does in a lot of ways.

1411
01:01:34,516 --> 01:01:37,796
Speaker 2: I guess it's like yeah, it's I'm always like, so

1412
01:01:37,956 --> 01:01:40,316
Speaker 2: I just like love, I love like I just like

1413
01:01:40,436 --> 01:01:43,116
Speaker 2: love people's memoirs. I'm obsessed, like that is what I

1414
01:01:43,116 --> 01:01:44,556
Speaker 2: want to know about. I want to know about like

1415
01:01:44,916 --> 01:01:47,916
Speaker 2: real people's lives, Like like I love like the Jane

1416
01:01:47,956 --> 01:01:49,076
Speaker 2: Fonder documentary.

1417
01:01:49,116 --> 01:01:49,756
Speaker 3: That one was like.

1418
01:01:49,796 --> 01:01:51,756
Speaker 1: I was just talking about the other day I watched it.

1419
01:01:52,076 --> 01:01:53,876
Speaker 1: I mean maybe because it's a plane. I cried watching that.

1420
01:01:53,996 --> 01:01:57,796
Speaker 2: It's amazing, was wild because it's just like seeing her

1421
01:01:57,996 --> 01:02:01,756
Speaker 2: tapestry of her life and like how everything connected in

1422
01:02:01,836 --> 01:02:04,596
Speaker 2: the career and the different partners she had, and like

1423
01:02:05,196 --> 01:02:07,316
Speaker 2: just to be able to kind of like contextualize all

1424
01:02:07,356 --> 01:02:10,476
Speaker 2: that and see like the span of this like beautiful,

1425
01:02:10,756 --> 01:02:12,236
Speaker 2: amazing life that she's had.

1426
01:02:12,876 --> 01:02:15,916
Speaker 1: She's had one of the most incredible livesset and and

1427
01:02:15,636 --> 01:02:17,956
Speaker 1: and you think obviously with her father being who he

1428
01:02:18,116 --> 01:02:20,596
Speaker 1: was that you know, but the child I was just

1429
01:02:20,596 --> 01:02:23,236
Speaker 1: just broke my heart, you know that whole bit. Yeah,

1430
01:02:23,276 --> 01:02:24,316
Speaker 1: but you know, but then.

1431
01:02:24,196 --> 01:02:26,676
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, isn't it. It's like I never knew anything

1432
01:02:26,756 --> 01:02:27,636
Speaker 2: like that about.

1433
01:02:27,476 --> 01:02:29,556
Speaker 3: About no clue about her, no clue.

1434
01:02:29,556 --> 01:02:30,956
Speaker 2: And you look at her and you're like, you're a

1435
01:02:30,996 --> 01:02:33,996
Speaker 2: fucking survivor, like and you thrive and the most.

1436
01:02:33,796 --> 01:02:36,076
Speaker 1: Fucking incredible people ever, you know what I mean, Like

1437
01:02:36,396 --> 01:02:38,156
Speaker 1: all the ship she did with Ted Turner and and

1438
01:02:38,156 --> 01:02:41,276
Speaker 1: and for for you know, for bringing in people even

1439
01:02:41,356 --> 01:02:43,476
Speaker 1: like that. Don't like, don't it's just like what in

1440
01:02:43,516 --> 01:02:46,516
Speaker 1: the do you wanna say? The workout videos, workout videos wild.

1441
01:02:46,836 --> 01:02:48,796
Speaker 1: I had no clue because I remember I remember my mom,

1442
01:02:49,236 --> 01:02:50,516
Speaker 1: Grandma's sad around the house.

1443
01:02:50,596 --> 01:02:51,476
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it?

1444
01:02:51,636 --> 01:02:53,796
Speaker 2: You know, you know, the contacts behind it, the story

1445
01:02:53,836 --> 01:02:54,916
Speaker 2: of what's actually going on?

1446
01:02:54,956 --> 01:02:55,476
Speaker 1: Who knows?

1447
01:02:55,556 --> 01:02:57,596
Speaker 2: Very cool, incredible, like yeah, I love I love like

1448
01:02:57,676 --> 01:03:01,036
Speaker 2: her memoir. I really loved or like her documentary. There

1449
01:03:01,076 --> 01:03:03,876
Speaker 2: was a bunch. There's like a an artist called Duncan.

1450
01:03:03,916 --> 01:03:07,196
Speaker 2: Hannah was super inspired by his Like they're like his

1451
01:03:07,316 --> 01:03:09,116
Speaker 2: diaries from the sixties and seventies.

1452
01:03:09,156 --> 01:03:10,036
Speaker 3: These are so cool.

1453
01:03:10,036 --> 01:03:12,956
Speaker 2: It's just like like, oh, on Monday, like lou Reed

1454
01:03:13,036 --> 01:03:15,156
Speaker 2: walked in and like an interaction he's had with him

1455
01:03:15,156 --> 01:03:16,876
Speaker 2: and he kind of actually like paints him and not

1456
01:03:17,116 --> 01:03:18,716
Speaker 2: so much of a nice light, which is kind of

1457
01:03:18,756 --> 01:03:22,036
Speaker 2: fun because it's just exactly as it was happening. And

1458
01:03:22,796 --> 01:03:26,036
Speaker 2: like Liz Fair's book I really enjoyed. She wrote a

1459
01:03:26,036 --> 01:03:29,516
Speaker 2: memoir of called Horror Stories, which is like do you.

1460
01:03:29,516 --> 01:03:30,076
Speaker 3: Know about it?

1461
01:03:30,276 --> 01:03:34,556
Speaker 2: These very honest vignettes from like her life and as

1462
01:03:34,596 --> 01:03:38,036
Speaker 2: a rock star, and she's so honest and there's like, yeah,

1463
01:03:38,116 --> 01:03:40,596
Speaker 2: there's certain like chapters in that in that book where

1464
01:03:40,596 --> 01:03:43,836
Speaker 2: it's like it's kind of like shifting it almost like shit,

1465
01:03:43,916 --> 01:03:45,876
Speaker 2: you know when you read something and you're like, oh,

1466
01:03:46,196 --> 01:03:48,996
Speaker 2: like I'll almost I'll remember this when I'm thinking about

1467
01:03:48,996 --> 01:03:52,516
Speaker 2: doing this, or like, you know, it was so so beautiful.

1468
01:03:52,556 --> 01:03:55,636
Speaker 2: I love like Julia Fox's autobiography.

1469
01:03:55,676 --> 01:03:57,036
Speaker 1: I've never read that one.

1470
01:03:57,076 --> 01:04:01,476
Speaker 2: It's brilliant, Like yeah, it's absolutely brilliant, Like yeah, just

1471
01:04:01,516 --> 01:04:02,196
Speaker 2: to like have that.

1472
01:04:03,516 --> 01:04:04,276
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.

1473
01:04:04,316 --> 01:04:06,636
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not like ready to write my memoirs yet,

1474
01:04:07,196 --> 01:04:10,236
Speaker 2: but I definitely like that doing it in and in and.

1475
01:04:10,196 --> 01:04:12,316
Speaker 1: Out album will suffice for now. You've got a long

1476
01:04:12,316 --> 01:04:15,796
Speaker 1: way to go. Thanks so much for for for the

1477
01:04:15,916 --> 01:04:18,596
Speaker 1: music for the album, and uh and for for for.

1478
01:04:18,876 --> 01:04:27,236
Speaker 3: Talking about.

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01:04:24,996 --> 01:04:27,316
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for Sukie Waterhouse for talking us through

1480
01:04:27,316 --> 01:04:29,756
Speaker 1: her new album My More Have a Sparkle muffin to

1481
01:04:29,836 --> 01:04:32,476
Speaker 1: hear that album and other songs of hers that we love,

1482
01:04:32,556 --> 01:04:35,476
Speaker 1: including songs that she loves you mentioned in this episode.

1483
01:04:35,676 --> 01:04:38,796
Speaker 1: Check out our playlist at broken record podcast dot com.

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01:04:39,316 --> 01:04:42,276
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