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Speaker 1: Look over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, we lost culture,

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Speaker 1: ding Dong, ding Dong.

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Speaker 2: Lost culturistas calling was that the first time we were

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Speaker 2: ever out of sync? Boats well, honestly, boats very well.

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Speaker 2: You know what I was distracted thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. I'm surrounded by tops. We've got service tops,

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Speaker 2: You know, can I reveal something about Bowen Yang? This

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Speaker 2: is the this is the big thing that I wanted

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Speaker 2: to reveal on this podcast the other day in a

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Speaker 2: personal text exchange. So that's how you know it's real

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Speaker 2: because we never lie to each other. It's only ever transparent, real,

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Speaker 2: honest and more. Bowen goes. I think I legitimately might

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Speaker 2: be by, which is not the same thing as being

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Speaker 2: a top. Yeah, but the girl talking about you are

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Speaker 2: conflating like having a dick.

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Speaker 3: Okay, don't do sexual politics with me right now.

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Speaker 2: All I'm saying is Bowen has a crush on Go ahead,

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Speaker 2: come out say it, Lucy Dakis.

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Speaker 3: But I've always had this you love like wonderful. Lucy

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Speaker 3: and I exchanged a powerful glance at Forest Hills. This

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Speaker 3: is like three years ago. Oh my gosh, she was.

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Speaker 3: She was opening she and Maxihachi were opening for Connor Oberst,

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Speaker 3: and she had just got she had just done her set.

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Speaker 3: This is right when home Video came out her album.

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Speaker 3: And then I just like glanced over at her, and

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Speaker 3: ever since then, and then obviously since then, we've like

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Speaker 2: She talked and hung out, Like it's like, did you

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Speaker 2: did you watch you ever watch nobody wants this?

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Speaker 3: That thing on Netflix?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when men kissing that song is like boo, But

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Speaker 2: it's like that Cynthia romantic pops up that played when

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Speaker 2: you looked at Lucy Dikas across the room. And don't

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Speaker 2: think we ever forgot about your thing with Katie Gavin.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a good love triangle. This is my

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Speaker 3: trend alert. Here we go. It's always with a gay

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Speaker 2: So I can't wait to see how this episode turns out. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: because this actually is a huge moment in history, because

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Speaker 2: I can't believe this is true, but I think I

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Speaker 2: have you listened to Driver's License by Olivia Rodriguez?

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Speaker 3: And now what is that?

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Speaker 2: This is when it first came out, and that's on record,

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Speaker 2: and I believe me bringing up Chapel to you is

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Speaker 3: Podcast is also on record on this podcast as well.

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Speaker 3: It's on record for a lot of people who listen

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Speaker 3: to you and they were like, I'm gonna check this

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Speaker 3: girl out.

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Speaker 2: It was late twenty twenty two when I first sort

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Speaker 3: Like it is here, like the La Show, it's about

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Speaker 3: Grammy winner. Everyone welcome, Hey, thank you.

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Speaker 2: One Album of the Year at our Cultural Awards before

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Speaker 2: your album was even out, and I've always wanted to

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Speaker 2: ask you how you felt about that?

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Speaker 4: Was really really I was like that is that makes sense?

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Speaker 4: I think I get nervous writing songs that aren't like

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Speaker 2: So I hear that. I mean when I left your show.

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Speaker 3: You have this like fun. You came out of this

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Speaker 3: So that's what I meant by Like the Kasha meets Annie,

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Speaker 4: But it's really hard to sing songs about people that

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Speaker 3: Everybody gets too in life. How many do you have?

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Speaker 4: How many exes?

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Speaker 3: But you hate that you fucking hate exes that you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've just been like I can't. I

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Speaker 4: I hated Picture You too because I was like this

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Speaker 4: it's either like I do a fully ballad set or

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Speaker 4: I do all pop because and that's why I like festivals,

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Speaker 4: Bad Romance? Low key? I always felt like a fraud

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Speaker 4: Fuck because it was like this is that puzzle was hard? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Certain things can work live, and they do not work

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Speaker 4: It kind of like makes sense eighty percent, but what.

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Speaker 4: Like it is not most of the time. For real, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But I know that, like it is so awesome to

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Speaker 4: I'm like, boo woo woo. Do you not think I tried?

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Speaker 4: Do you not think? I do not think? I tried

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Speaker 3: Like that's a live you get, you get to mold

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Speaker 4: It like it just becomes a character in itself, just

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Speaker 3: Because what you're talking about in terms of recording and

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Speaker 3: That's that's locked in. You are locked into this thing,

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Speaker 3: I feel like both ping Pony Club and the giver

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Speaker 4: It's called demoitis, demo demo witis, demoitis.

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Speaker 4: And this is like, this is to my detriment too,

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Speaker 2: And now you have two versions of the sound version remains, yeah,

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Speaker 4: It at all these festivals coming up. Yeah, So it's

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Speaker 4: like it's demoitis. Just remind yourself. It's like like I

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Speaker 4: it was probably a man who decided that. I was like, no, baby,

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Speaker 4: I did decide that.

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Speaker 3: Yah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And also, do not forget this is a lesbian country song,

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Speaker 4: like this is like a big deal, Like this is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right, right right, there's this like interesting

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Speaker 3: like you're not customer service, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: You are not there to like take in all of

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Speaker 3: these complaints and like synthesize them into it can't affect

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Speaker 4: I had to stop reading.

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Speaker 4: it and the things if I want to for sure

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00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 4: have a bad day, like one hundred percent guarantee. I

439
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 4: read the comments like and I just have to remind myself,

440
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 4: you touch it, yeah, it's like, okay, if you want

441
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 4: to open these, you're not going to feel Yeah. So

442
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 4: now it's just.

443
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 3: Like never, it's never going to be worth it.

444
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 4: It's never worth it, and like it just hurts my feelings.

445
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 4: I thought I would grow out of it hurting my feelings.

446
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: Build a thicker skin or something.

447
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 4: I thought I would become callous to it. And sometimes

448
00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 4: I hate that I'm not callous, and then other times

449
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, actually, thank god, I have feelings about people

450
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 4: hurting my feelings absolutely, because that is like sad. If

451
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe I'll get there one day, maybe

452
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 4: I can find a healthy medium, but I don't know.

453
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 4: People like saying it's not about like my art anymore,

454
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, right, It's about me and how

455
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 4: I look or how I talk or my humor. It's

456
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 4: like that is the insufferable part, all of a sudden,

457
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: and not like the art. And so that's what hurts

458
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 4: my feeling because it's like when my art even you know,

459
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 4: like with the Giver, you are one hundred percent allowed

460
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: to judge it, hate it, love it, rip it, apart,

461
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 4: critique it, Like that is the point that is fair game.

462
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 4: It's art. I think, like everything else, I'm like, that's

463
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 4: outside of my art and performance. Stay with performance critique

464
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 4: it like that is visual art. Visually like critique my fashion,

465
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 4: that's fine. It's just when it comes to my personality

466
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 4: and like my mistakes that I make in public, it's

467
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 4: like it is rude.

468
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: But the thing is, even if they are aren't mistakes,

469
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: human beings are allowed to make them, of course. And

470
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: I think that like one thing that people just whether

471
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: they can't reckon with it or they don't want to

472
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: because like people feel complicit in it is it's like

473
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: it was like unprecedented how quickly it changed for you

474
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: from here to here in terms of like the amount

475
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: of eyes on you and the out of mouths flapping

476
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: in regards.

477
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: To what you did.

478
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: So it's like even in a world where it's like

479
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 2: we've seen people go from like whatever it is, like

480
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 2: zero to sixthy or overnight success whatever that means, not

481
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: like this, Because I remember we were at Coachella and.

482
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 4: We were like different now.

483
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: We were so.

484
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: Excited at Coachella because we were like, oh and I

485
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: was with a couple of gays who didn't know who

486
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: you were yeteah, and that was you.

487
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: Know, a four.

488
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a year while at.

489
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: The end of that weekend, not only did everyone know

490
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: who you were, but everyone had an opinion on you,

491
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: et cetera. And then Gouve Bow was a whole other

492
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: fucking thing that was fifteen twenty different like think pieces,

493
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: and it's like that you're never gonna get You are

494
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: never gonna get what you want out of that one

495
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: individual human being. It's impossible, and I don't think there's

496
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: enough awareness of that or like, you know, people don't

497
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: take accountability for their own actions in that regard to

498
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: people get excited.

499
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 4: Do you feel that? Do you guys feel that?

500
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: I mean, we're not feeling on your level.

501
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: No, But every level, of course, a film is a level.

502
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: Every level is a level. The Culture Cure seventy six six,

503
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: Every level is a level.

504
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: But of course, and it's also it's like when you

505
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: have something, when you have like something that you've put

506
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: out there that people have really connected with and people

507
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: have a relationship with you in that regard, it gets harder,

508
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: which is why I'm happy you just deleted the ship,

509
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: because you're in creative mode right now and you need

510
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 2: to be. I wanted to ask you, like, how is

511
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: it going in terms of you treating yourself create.

512
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: Creatively the artist's way.

513
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have artists.

514
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 4: That book taught me how to protect my creativity and

515
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 4: like how to be really treat myself really well and

516
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: be really gentle with myself. I am really good at

517
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: respecting my artistry. What I am not good at is

518
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 4: respecting like my feelings outside of artistry. Like it's so interesting.

519
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 4: I'm like very good at being gentle with like my

520
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 4: critiques on myself and like letting things. You know, it's

521
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 4: not going to be great the first time. You may

522
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 4: have to like water it and watch it grow. But

523
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 4: when it comes to like me making a mistake in life,

524
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 4: it's like that's when I'm not good at like giving

525
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 4: myself some grace or just like whatever. So my creativity

526
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 4: is very she's sacred and healthy. Like I just spent

527
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 4: the whole last week doing writing and I wrote some

528
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 4: songs I really love and like that's that is magic.

529
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 4: The fact that I could do that midst like the

530
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: past year, and the fact that I can't like do

531
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 4: a lot of things like I used to normally and

532
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 4: like feel normal. That's great, that's awesome. It worked, Like yeah,

533
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: it's just when it comes to like my self confidence

534
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: or comments or like you know, just saying something I

535
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 4: didn't mean or whatever. How that's how like when I'm

536
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: really hard.

537
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: On myself, right when you know what that book does

538
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: early on, it tells you to like picture and think

539
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: back on the people early on in your life who

540
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: like try to like cut you off creatively. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

541
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: I still I still go about this process with like

542
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: one specific person, this is the theater teacher or whatever.

543
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 3: You have to like treat them the same way that

544
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: you Chap will treat your exes. Yeah, you have to

545
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: like fucking go for the jugular in your brain with

546
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 3: these people. And you and I think my thing is

547
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: we have to keep doing it now now that like

548
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: there are these little side quests popping up where like, oh,

549
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: there's this person who like is being a little bogger,

550
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: this person's being a fucking asshole. Like it's a continuous

551
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: thing where you like have to tell these people who

552
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: make you feel like you're making a mistake, which you're not.

553
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: You can't even think of them as mistakes because these

554
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: are just people who are trying to like end you

555
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: creatively and you have to protect that.

556
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, art is like for me, I'm such

557
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: I do have a thick skin around like my art.

558
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 4: It's really hard to see us something you see online

559
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 4: and be like, oh, maybe that's supposed to be funny, right,

560
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: but everyone's like that's serious and that's actually fucked up,

561
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: and it's like, huh, maybe it's just not one about

562
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: you or too serious.

563
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: Like well can we talk about Also, like when people

564
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: were dragging you for doing your mood dang thing.

565
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: And then I was like, yeah, I was like, I

566
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: bet she thinks it's funny.

567
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: I did. Yeah, I didn't feel anything.

568
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: Sasha and I, Sasha Colby and I were talking about

569
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: and I was just like, I mean, yeah, everyone's mad.

570
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: I was like I'm not. I was like, I was like,

571
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: is she okay? And Sasha was like yeah, girl, she's laughing,

572
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: she's laughing. I was like, okay, Well then that's fine.

573
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: I'm like the why people don't have to get mad

574
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 4: on my behalf right, but I'm for fine, yes, so

575
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 4: what is there to be mad about? Also, this is

576
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: what happens like that is andl it's comedy. Ye, Like

577
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: it is so lighthearted. It was like to me, harmless,

578
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god. And for people to even if you

579
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 4: were to push it further harmless, it's like it's comedy.

580
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: I don't understand, Like I just don't know the line.

581
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 3: I think people just get worked up over someone that

582
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: they are very It's like a it's like a love

583
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: bombing thing, or it's like limerens. It's like they're obsessed

584
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: with you and so they will die. It's parasocial.

585
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: I mean, what it is is it's like I need

586
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: to protect this person they've expressed that they need help,

587
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: or I feel like I'm projecting what I might need

588
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: in that situation. But it's hard, Like you're saying, like

589
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: when you look online, is it supposed to be a joke?

590
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: Is this thing supposed be funny in a time when

591
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: we are.

592
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: Nothing's funny right?

593
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: When very it's not funny exactly.

594
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, it's like that was a really complicated, weird

595
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: time because it was like I remember getting text from

596
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: people being like are Bowen and Chapel okay? I was like,

597
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: first of all, they don't really know each other that well.

598
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: Second of all, I'm sure they are. Third of all,

599
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: why are we assuming that people don't have senses of humor.

600
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: It's like it's chapelone, y'all.

601
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: It's like I was watching your show and that's why

602
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: I was describing you as like there was like this

603
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: fun pop kesha, I'm ever come out in the ship

604
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: long wig and You're like, it's me Chapel Because if

605
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: we weren't supposed to know, I'm like, this girl is funny.

606
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: We're all having fun. It's pop stardom.

607
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: It's you know, even if like even if you.

608
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 4: Didn't like think the mooting sketch was funny or anything,

609
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: you don't say.

610
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: Anything, yeah right, there's always silence like you don't.

611
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: You can always not say something right. And you know what,

612
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: people sticking up for me in that situation or not

613
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: sticking up for me made me feel no different. I

614
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: didn't feel protected and I didn't feel unprotected. So because

615
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: I didn't need it either way, sure, because I was

616
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: not offended.

617
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to have a serious conversation about this what

618
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: do you love about service topic?

619
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know what service topping.

620
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: Was, but do you identify as one? I read?

621
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: I read an article, You read an article and to

622
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: me is it like Stone Top.

623
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: It's this is I had an encounter in the last year,

624
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: not not recently, but someone who was like, what do

625
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: you want me to do to make you feel good?

626
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: I'm a service Top said these words to me, like

627
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: I get off on watching someone take pleasure in what

628
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: I'm doing.

629
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: True, Sorry, isn't that just sex? I'm so honest.

630
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: That is thank you for saying me.

631
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: So sorry, service Toop, go ahead.

632
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: They are in their mind they are nervousing you, which

633
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: sometimes I mean, I'm sure we've been in situation and

634
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even I don't even know if they would

635
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: identify it as kinky. But like sometimes it's like I

636
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: want to have sex because I want to feel good.

637
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: They want to have sex because they want to see

638
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: you feel good. Does that make sense?

639
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 2: But that in turn makes them feel good, and so

640
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: it's you know what I mean?

641
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're with you. Sometimes I think we go

642
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: crazy with the labels of everything.

643
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: I don't understand, Okay, I mean, I that's why I

644
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 4: ask you if it's kinky, because it's like this may

645
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: not make me, like I may not understand this pleasure

646
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 4: thing for you, but I'm going to do it. Anyway,

647
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: because like you like to be dominated or something like whatever.

648
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: But to me, like I just thought that's how sex works.

649
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what is being a giver mean to you? Then?

650
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: That just means I want to do things that make

651
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: you feel good. Yeah, like I'm a I will do things.

652
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: I will just give my time.

653
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: And I will Yeah. And if I take that, if

654
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: I'm a taker, are I giving you something in return

655
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: by taking it? That's that I think that's where all

656
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 3: three of us are kind of getting a little mixed up.

657
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm lost too.

658
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: I don't. I like I'm a pillow princess. I know

659
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: exactly where I am.

660
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: Okay, good kidding?

661
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: Are you? No?

662
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: I'm not.

663
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: I'm I'm sometimes a pillow princess. It feels good.

664
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: I think maybe I just like so take it like takeer.

665
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 4: I wasn't really like actually thinking about anything when I was.

666
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, that's fun. Yeah, because a

667
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: giver and a taker, you like a taker? Like That's

668
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: literally where my mind went. But when I saw the

669
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: article about like servicetops and whatever, I was just like cool,

670
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: did not know that existed? Wasn't the intention? Like? I

671
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 4: just liked it. I do love that about pop cultures

672
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: that they will make something out of nothing, like you

673
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like they made this, people will

674
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: make like this and higher outline of like what each

675
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: thing means thing? Yeah, like what each character I played

676
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 4: means in like the lesbian community. And I literally was like,

677
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: don't know what you're talking about, but I just wanted

678
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: to wear a blazer like.

679
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: I wanted to.

680
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: You were talking on Apple about like really what it

681
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: was was you wanted a George straight type of song, right,

682
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: like you wanted to feel on stage like that kind

683
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: of swaggy country like character. Yeah, which I think is

684
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: different than like.

685
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: I get off on making you O face.

686
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: I thought that was like the point of set. It

687
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: is like for me, I give you pleasure and that

688
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: gives me pleasure.

689
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: This is the healthiest discourse on sex anyone's ever had.

690
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 2: But it you know, thank god doctor Ruth is dead. Hey,

691
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: she's rolling in her grave. One time I asked doctor

692
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: Ruth what she thought of prep and she didn't. She couldn't.

693
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: It did not compute. She was like what I was like.

694
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: It was at the Sunnins film Best. I was like,

695
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: it's so gay guys can have unprotected sex. She goes, well,

696
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: I hate that.

697
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 4: Na, and then I was like, oh, oh okay.

698
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: And then but it was fully doctor Ruth, and I'm

699
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: thinking she knows like what prep is and she did not.

700
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: And then I was like, Okay, maybe we've we've missed

701
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: each other in terms of like the sexual revolution.

702
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: The reason I say this is actually a huge reset

703
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: for people. The way people talk about sex in this

704
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 3: day and age is that it has been so divorced

705
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: from pleasure.

706
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

707
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: I think for a lot of people that's interesting.

708
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 4: I mean that is why that is my experience when

709
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 4: I hooked up with men. That's how I knew I

710
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: was gay, Uh huh.

711
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: Because it never was never felt like it was about

712
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: you or for you.

713
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: No, I just felt so performative. Yeah, and like so

714
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: like I just did what I thought they wanted, even

715
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 4: if it didn't feel good. And maybe that's what to

716
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: me when I'm like, okay, service top is that do

717
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 4: service even if you don't want to. I don't know,

718
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: Like I just want to do what my partner makes

719
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 4: them feel good. And when I make them feel good,

720
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 4: that makes me feel good. Right, So I think I

721
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 4: would not really know what to do if someone I

722
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: was hooking up with was only service stone top.

723
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

724
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: I don't think I would really know what to do

725
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: because I would want to do something for them.

726
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 3: Huh. Yeah, are we saying that the term service top

727
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: is a little bit It feels like it's a given thing.

728
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: It's like saying, well, I'm a I'm a sensory bottom.

729
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: It's like, of course you are. You know what I mean?

730
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: Now you have something you asked, You're going to feel that, Like.

731
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: Why I only I'm the best, I'm best when I

732
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: bottom and I can feel it. Well, yeah, what are

733
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: you talking about.

734
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: That?

735
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: That's crazy?

736
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 5: It's no.

737
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: But you know what though, like it takes time to like,

738
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people say this stuff because

739
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: there it's it's more a thing of it's less them

740
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: expressing what they actually like and more people being like, no,

741
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: like I do have sexual agency, I do have a

742
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: sexual identity. When the fact is, it takes a lot

743
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: of time, totally, Like, I don't even think. It wasn't

744
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: until my late twenties that I was even having real

745
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: sex that like consciously took me out of what I

746
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: had seen in like porn or what which I do

747
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: think and I have so much respect for everyone, like

748
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: in the sexu work community, et cetera. But I do

749
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: think when you're ingesting a lot of it young, you

750
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: of course want to emulate the things that you see,

751
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: and that is like inherently not going to be natural

752
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: to you every time. So it's like it's like in

753
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 2: that way it becomes a teacher in a way that can.

754
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: Be a little rocky. It wasn't.

755
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: And I was just thinking sitting here, like, you know,

756
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: I had a great sexual experience like last week, and

757
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: I was like gratulation, thank you so much and shout

758
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: out verse also flip you yes, amazing.

759
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: And I've been I've.

760
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: Really started like owning myself as like the bottom that

761
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: I am. But then all of a sudden love. So

762
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: but that's what I guess what I mean is it's

763
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: like I need to stop telling myself I find one thing.

764
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: I think we all need to stop telling ourselves are

765
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: one thing and be open to those different experiences and

766
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: expressions because I think a lot of it is just

767
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: us wanting to belong in something.

768
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is so real. It's so nice when there's

769
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 4: a label that fits you perfectly right, because that makes

770
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 4: you be like, ah, like when I what is the

771
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 4: what is the one that is where you only are

772
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: sexually attracted to people that you're friends with, It's like,

773
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 4: I don't know that it's a It's like you have

774
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: to have like a really strong relationship to like feel

775
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: like you want to hook up with.

776
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: Them, and it's not even just as friendship makes what

777
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: is it?

778
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 4: I don't know.

779
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's it's and Rachel.

780
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: But when I heard about that, I was like, oh,

781
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: that makes sense to me, Like I can't. I don't

782
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 4: want to just hook up with people I just met,

783
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: Like that is why I'm so uncomfortable when I'm hit on,

784
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 4: like because I'm like, I don't know you, yeah, right,

785
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: And that is why I get myself in trouble and

786
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: date my friends and then it's like you know what

787
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: I mean, that is always what happens, and so like

788
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: that's why I'm so it's such a turn off when

789
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: people like are so bold at the beginning, yeah, because

790
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know, you got to watch.

791
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: Those anyway, people are really bold at the beginning.

792
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: My experiences, Okay, you're this is for you, you know

793
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like we've experienced some love bombing, and

794
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm sure we all have, and it's like this,

795
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: there's no way you're you're like this.

796
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've even asked a question. I've sat back, cocked.

797
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: The brow and been like how yeah, And then they

798
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: have another line, the one I the one I got.

799
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 3: The one I got was we deserve to have good

800
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: things for good people. And I was read that.

801
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: Motherfucker, where'd you read that next? And think of something smarter?

802
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: But some but people like like period when.

803
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: You're I'm never surprised anymore when people have rehearsed the

804
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: whole thing, Like you find out later they had a

805
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: bit that they were going to do when you sat

806
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: down at whatever it is they were meeting, Like they

807
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: researched things to say to you up top with your friends,

808
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: especially someone.

809
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: Like you're talking about, like people that research things about you.

810
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yes, but also I'm going to say, I'm

811
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: going to say this joke about a celebrity because I

812
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: know he likes celebrities like that.

813
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: No, I was thinking of like people that can't you

814
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 4: can't just google like whatever. I guess like for me,

815
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 4: that's like gone, and probably like for you, like people,

816
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: it's gone hard it's gone. Like people can like kind

817
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: of guess what you might like and like like manipulate

818
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 4: a sentence that maybe would work best for you because

819
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 4: they know you like a regular bar. I'm always you know,

820
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: before I guess before last year, before last year. If

821
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: I like had to pick up line, I'd be like,

822
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: I can only laugh. It's hilarious because I'm just like,

823
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: but they had to try.

824
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: You know what.

825
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: That's the thing is. It's like they're trying, and everyone's trying.

826
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: It's like some people think and if I go in

827
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: with an arsenal of things to say and I really like,

828
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: you know, dress for Hirst, what this is going to be,

829
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: I'll feel better about it. But you know, sometimes it's

830
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: just like it is worth being like, Okay, when are

831
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: we going to get to the real you? Because because

832
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: they could take a long time.

833
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: You like, you know.

834
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: Do you feel like if people know who you are,

835
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 4: it's like, uh, turn off, turn on or just be honest. Yeah, right, yeah,

836
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: it does depend, but I am very weary if someone

837
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 4: knows who If someone is a fan and I like

838
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: have hit on them or something and like started like

839
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 4: a relationship with them and I did not know they

840
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: were a fan. That is scary to me because I'm

841
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: I've embarrassed, and also I'm like, I don't trust you,

842
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 4: and like are you screenshotting everything we're saying?

843
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 3: Are you?

844
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 4: I just get really, I've become so paranoid about that stuff.

845
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, girl, I'll just talk like this all

846
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 4: the time because it was freaking.

847
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: The lip readers. We were talking about that recently. It's like, which,

848
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: God bless the lip readers.

849
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 4: We need those girls.

850
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: We do. It is fun when you when you want

851
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: to know and you're on the other side of it.

852
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 4: But like right all the time, I'll tell you that.

853
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: At the Grammys, You're like, it's fucking open concepts. It's crazy.

854
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: All these people are looking down at you. It's almost

855
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: like I signed for that one thing that they really did.

856
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: This is the recording out of Me had posted like

857
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 2: watch Chapel, watch Benson Boone, or like watch Sabrina Carpenter

858
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: watching this person, and it's just like, why are we

859
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: watching these artists watch the thing? And then all of

860
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're like your finger starts going like should

861
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: I click?

862
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 3: And you're like, I mean, no, it's weird, but why

863
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: is that available?

864
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 4: Because they want so bad to catch you. That's the

865
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: only reason. They just want to fucking catch you.

866
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you be paranoid if like that's on your mind.

867
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: That's what I'm thinking about always. I'm just like I

868
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 4: have to think about all the time. I won't win.

869
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 4: It's not that I can or can't win. I won't. Like,

870
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 4: no matter what, Lily, I will not win this.

871
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: You're not customer service, that's all.

872
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: But also it's like I'm not customer service, and it's

873
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 4: everyone else's expectation, like against my entire humanity, Like it's

874
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: so crazy, but it's not their fault. It's like, that's

875
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: how celebrity culture is where we find our happiness. Are

876
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: like depths of hell. And for the first time your

877
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 4: comment matters, for the first time, something you say people notice.

878
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 4: And that's why the big comments are all mean, because

879
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 4: for the first time, your voice matters in a country

880
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 4: where you've been told that you never will matter. Yeah.

881
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 4: So that's why I think the psychologist is my personal

882
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: psychology around why people hate celebrities online. That's like why

883
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: the biggest all you look at the comments, the biggest

884
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 4: ones are the meanest, right because finally, Finally, finally, finally,

885
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 4: something you say is validated. Yeah, after all this time,

886
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: after you feeling so helpless, after everyone turning you down

887
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: and saying that you don't matter, the mean parts of

888
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: you do right online, and so like, I don't blame people.

889
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 4: Of course they're gonna hate. It's like all that there

890
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: is left is.

891
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: To be mean because it's incentivizing a mean snarchy.

892
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 4: And the meaner you are, like, the more attention you get, right, But.

893
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't get them, like, it doesn't get them past

894
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: the ceiling of like the comment section, right, the comment.

895
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 4: Section, that's the other thing. It doesn't get you past

896
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 4: the comics. Like, it's not like it's giving a job.

897
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: It's not like it's getting you respect. It's not like

898
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: it's getting you like friends.

899
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. It's awful because everybody, and I'm saying everybody

900
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: at the highest levels of like this kind of stardom,

901
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: that that is like what they're dealing with. It is

902
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: I'm just telling I'm just telling everybody like from like

903
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: like from what I've seen, which is not too much,

904
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: but it's like, oh shit, like even in small glimpses

905
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: like at us and now it's like we just we

906
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: just you just cycle through like different case studies and

907
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: fame and it's just that's the common thread and it's

908
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: really fucked up. Anyway, we should move on.

909
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: We want to ask you the question that we ask

910
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: all of our guests, which is Chapel roam, what was

911
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: the culture that made you?

912
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: Say? Culture was for you?

913
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: So basically this can be a movie, a music artist, environmental,

914
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: something about growing up, just whatever it means to you,

915
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: the culture that.

916
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: Made you you.

917
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: I'm really glad that guinea pigs have their own culture

918
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 4: online because I'm a guinea pick girl.

919
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: Wow, is this going to be I ever talked about that?

920
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know that about the guinea.

921
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: Pigs were in We're on SNL for the Giver Oh in.

922
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: The background, yes for animal. Yes, the guinea pigs were

923
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: back there.

924
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: Talk about guinea pig culture.

925
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just obsessed with them. I had four a time,

926
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 4: but they passed away. But I I am obsessed with them.

927
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 4: I think they're the cutest animals on earth. I worked

928
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: out a guinea I volunteered out of Guinea Pig Rescue

929
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: for a year. I love rodents in general, and I

930
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 4: love the guinea pig community online is awesome. I love

931
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: that community. I think the culture and like all seriousness

932
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 4: that made me feel like me was drag. Yes, at first,

933
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 4: I was very freaked out by drag. I was like,

934
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: I was like the clutch, the.

935
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: Pearls girl, is that coming from where you're where you

936
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: come from? Yeah?

937
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd never like the first time I went to

938
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 4: a drag show, I was eighteen seventeen or eighteen, and

939
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 4: it was Hamburger Mary's Oh Wow, And I was like,

940
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 4: oh my god, why do they keep saying anus. That's disgusting.

941
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: They do that?

942
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was like I just went I was like,

943
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 4: that was so fun, But why did they have to

944
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: just make everything so.

945
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: I feel strange?

946
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 4: I was like yes, and I was like what the hell?

947
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 4: And then I just got addicted to it. So and

948
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 4: that has taken like a long time. Yeah, like that

949
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: is in my actually in my blood now and like

950
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 4: to realize all of that. How it freaked me out

951
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 4: at first was really just me not having any gay

952
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: culture at all expressed in my life whatsoever. So like yeah,

953
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 4: and there was no sarcasm like that. There was no

954
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 4: like I had no idea who John Waters was like

955
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: and like it was so cool to like see a

956
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: whole community of people being gross on purpose for the

957
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 4: sake of being, for the sake of pearl clutching. Yes, yes,

958
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: like that is amazing to me. I love tackiness. I

959
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: fucking love bad hair, I love bad style. I love cameltoe,

960
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 4: I love I love, love love a bad dye job.

961
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 4: I love roots, I love like. I fucking love when

962
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: people get their teeth knocked out. I love like I

963
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: love that ship. Yeah, give me a nipslib. That's the

964
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 4: least you could do. Like, Yeah, So that culture of

965
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 4: like trashy on purpose is so freeing to Yes, yes, yes,

966
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 4: I love that and the guinea pig culture. And I

967
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 4: also really appreciate the two girls don't remember the names

968
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: who also believed in fairies with me. I love the

969
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 4: fairy culture. I think that they're real. Maybe I don't.

970
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say that. And I really appreciate the

971
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 4: fairy culture because fairies make me happy. And I lied

972
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 4: to everyone that I saw them.

973
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: You are a fairy guinea pig. You did you know that?

974
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: And you know that you know you've always known a

975
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: deep down I like you know.

976
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 4: I love But also the there's been a real awakening

977
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: which I grew up on the Barbie movies, like the

978
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 4: Crazy Crazy. I saw a compilation the other day of

979
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 4: the Barbie Animals of the How fucking crazy it was,

980
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 4: and like Barbie raised me.

981
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think fairies and Barbie is.

982
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: A Barbie fairy Toopia, and that is where Bibble came from.

983
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 4: And Bibble is basically a flying guinea pig.

984
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, do you feel like the fairies visit you

985
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: when you're writing, when you're being creative? Are you channeling

986
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: the fairies in a way? Are the fairies in the walls?

987
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: And what are your muses? Like? Like, I think the

988
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 3: fairies are your muse.

989
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 4: I usually I would say yes, fairies visit me. But

990
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: I think like the way I write now is from

991
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: like I take things that are really fucked up and

992
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: then make it really like I don't know, Like it's

993
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 4: the same with like the subway. The lyrics are usually

994
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 4: always darker, right, and they become like very very dark,

995
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 4: and then.

996
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 3: They become like light do a brightening draft?

997
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's always like heavy dark and

998
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 4: then you know, then the fairies come and twinkle their

999
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 4: fairy does and it's like, yeah, maybe all of a

1000
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 4: sudden can actually be on the radio. Sorry, I've given

1001
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: like three cultures.

1002
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: They're good because they're sharing to each other. Oh, you

1003
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: need to keep sharing.

1004
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: I want to return to guinea pigs the sentence of

1005
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: the day because I had hamsters when I was little

1006
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: and one of the most traumatic things I think I've

1007
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: ever been through.

1008
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: I tell you every story.

1009
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: They were named Chippendale and one day my dad said

1010
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: I have to talk to you and I was like what,

1011
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: And then he basically was like, we don't have Ship

1012
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 2: and Dale anymore. I was like, what they had eaten

1013
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: each other chapel, That's what happened. They had eaten each

1014
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 2: other alive. I don't know if it was throws of passion.

1015
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if they had a gay fight.

1016
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: They ate each other.

1017
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 2: At the same time, Chip and Dale killed each other.

1018
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: It was wh what is that?

1019
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: Beta fish? They fight each other, they kill each other.

1020
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: It couldn't compute. And now getting older and knowing human

1021
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: nature and animal nature, I sort of get it. Like

1022
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: they were cooped up together for a long time with

1023
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: they were Chip and Dale.

1024
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: That's hard. I was Spoisers territory.

1025
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: They're vicious it's true, but what were they territorial over

1026
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: like the space they.

1027
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 4: Just you know what, I'm five guinea pigs, Yes, I

1028
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 4: can't normally most of the time you can't have two

1029
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: more than two together, and like you're lucky if they

1030
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: bond correctly as two boys, like you have to like

1031
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 4: bond them correctly or else they will fucking like try

1032
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 4: to kill each other. So maybe they just like did

1033
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: not get what they were just not bonded correctly, or

1034
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: they were Ah, they're hamster. I don't know.

1035
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: Did you have gay ones?

1036
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 4: I only had girls do really well with like multiple girls.

1037
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: God, it's not always the case, it is it always

1038
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: is the case.

1039
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: Do you want to like have one now to like

1040
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: have around with you?

1041
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: I wish I had there? What is so like guinea

1042
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 4: pigs are not really children's pets, Like they're way more

1043
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 4: difficult to take care of than a dog or a cat. Really, yes,

1044
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: because you can't just like pour them a bowl of food,

1045
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 4: like they need a specific type of hay, they need

1046
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 4: vitamin C, like they need a specific type of fruits

1047
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: and vegetables, Like you have to give them supplements and

1048
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: you also like have to clean their cage. They can

1049
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: only have certain types of bedding. You have to exercise them.

1050
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: You can't just let them wander around like they're not

1051
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: potty train. They have to be cleaned and like they

1052
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 4: need bubble bats, they need their nails shrimped. It's like

1053
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 4: not easy. So we had very so many people come

1054
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: to the rescue. We're like, this is my first pet.

1055
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: I'm nine, and I'm like, oh, And I think that's

1056
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 4: why so many people have so many traumatic stories, because

1057
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 4: they're actually such difficult pets to.

1058
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: And maybe I maybe we just didn't know that because

1059
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: I'm imagining it's the same, like sociologically, I guess because

1060
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: they killed each other, right.

1061
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 4: But everyone has a crazy hamster, guinea picker, gerble story, gurbles.

1062
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: I can relate to the rodents. I'm a rodent girl. Yes,

1063
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: well okay, and maintenance. I'm I'm little. You need vitamin

1064
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 3: C repellets.

1065
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: I need my Hey, hon, can I tell you I

1066
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: might have beendeed deficient?

1067
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 4: Are you?

1068
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: So?

1069
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: Do you take like a vitamin decapsule?

1070
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: I must, you should, Yeah, But it's like sometimes getting

1071
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: out there in the sun is like, you know, it's

1072
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: better in theory, but then you get sunburnt.

1073
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: Can I ask you, Yeah, why do you speaking of

1074
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 4: the sun in New York cruising?

1075
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1076
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: And I this is like I someone asked me this,

1077
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 4: like a gay guy friend asked me the other day

1078
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 4: of like why don't lesbian's cruise?

1079
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: Huh?

1080
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: And I want to know what you think.

1081
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 3: This is what I think.

1082
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: I think because gay sex is a lot more transactional

1083
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: and a lot more projection y. So it's like, actually,

1084
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: it's funny like this, this person that I was sleeping with,

1085
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: we went on our first date and he goes, yeah,

1086
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't hook up a lot because I feel that

1087
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: it's a lot to do with like projection, and I

1088
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: don't really need that, Like talking about what we were talking

1089
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: about earlier about how like sex actually is like two

1090
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: people coming together and you usually can.

1091
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: I find this too.

1092
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: It's like when you have like good eye contact with

1093
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: someone or like the conversation is easy. That's why people

1094
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: talk about like the banter, and it like just directly

1095
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: translates because that's what this person was looking.

1096
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: For and is looking for.

1097
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: And I think even more me and I've never really

1098
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: done like the cruisy thing and the like random hookup thing,

1099
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: Like of course I've done I've I've experienced it and

1100
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: like experimented, but like I never felt comfortable going in

1101
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: and out of those situations. A lot of people do

1102
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: and like that's great, But I think it has to

1103
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: do with just what gay guys are looking for and

1104
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: needing out of sex, and it's just transactional.

1105
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can live in a marketplace, it can live

1106
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 3: in like a bathhouse or a park. It can live.

1107
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: There's a space for it. Whereas like, just to generalize,

1108
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: I feel like among lesbians it's like it's very there's

1109
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: no like end point to sex. Necessarily it's emotional. It's like, yeah,

1110
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: it's it's achievement based. It's not achievement based, as that

1111
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: you're investing time and energy and care for each other

1112
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: in a way that like is not going to be

1113
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 3: condensed into like a sexual internection. Yeah, that's our theory.

1114
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1115
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 3: Does that sound right? I do.

1116
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: No. I imagine you were like, well, the answer is no,

1117
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 4: I don't know what. I don't know the answer. I've

1118
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 4: just been because I was naive and I went to

1119
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 4: Central Park and I was like, everybody is loving the sun.

1120
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: It's just out in this you know.

1121
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 3: It's like.

1122
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was like they're like someone was like,

1123
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 4: they're cruising and I was like, I was like, what

1124
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 4: cruise cruising? What and so And I was like, so,

1125
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: I've just been asking, like take on cruising and also

1126
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 4: why people think that it's not in the lesbian culture

1127
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 4: as much. I'm sure it is in some capacity that

1128
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 4: I just don't know about. Yeah, I'm very out of

1129
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 4: the loop, but I am just I'm very curious about

1130
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 4: it what people's takes are, especially in New York because

1131
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 4: it's like maybe it is in San Francisco more too,

1132
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 4: but I don't really know about it.

1133
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: In La La, I think, well, l A is l

1134
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: A is weird because it's it's it's the king of.

1135
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 3: This looking over your shoulder. It's constant but and you

1136
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: know what it is.

1137
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: It's like it's not even cruising as much as it

1138
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: Moore is just like constant comparison and like wondering how

1139
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: if you can do better. That's kind of and it's

1140
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: not to again, I hate dragging a whole city because

1141
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: I love La and like, but I have found with

1142
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: dating it is a lot harder, a lot.

1143
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 4: Hard People say that I came to New York because

1144
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 4: La is really hard to date.

1145
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: In especially when like you're not like because now I'm

1146
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: I just turned thirty five. It's like I'm kind of

1147
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: looking now for something that could be my next like relationship.

1148
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 2: And I understand this, Like I get it, I whatever,

1149
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: But it can be a little demoralizing as you get

1150
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: older and are looking for something else. So better to

1151
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: just take yourself out of the environment entirely, which is

1152
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: why I moved to New York.

1153
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 3: You can move back, so New York. We don't have

1154
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: our fucking phone stolen as much at the abbey. Wait,

1155
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: this is a thing. Did have you heard about this

1156
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: pony club? You talked about it? Is it you doing it?

1157
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 3: We've all had our phone stolen. I went to you,

1158
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: I've never had my phone stolen. I would guys have

1159
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 3: I've had my phone stolen, Not.

1160
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: At that, not at the abbey, but I've had three

1161
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 4: friends and one night I have their phone stolen.

1162
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: Yes, And you know what they were saying, it was

1163
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 3: it was the theory was that it was a bunch

1164
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: of short women to women because they could just not

1165
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: that they're picking on the women, But that was the

1166
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 3: theory they were. They were picking on me.

1167
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, why not short guys. The short guy said

1168
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 4: that it was.

1169
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: It was the short women, they said, but there were

1170
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: it was. It became like epidemic there for a while

1171
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: in La.

1172
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 4: It's crazy. It's like, I don't know, my friend just

1173
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 4: got his phone stolen off the grove. So the grove

1174
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 4: crazy out there right now at the grove.

1175
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: Where are you at the Oh my god?

1176
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 4: Is it? Oh?

1177
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: Was it not a l o?

1178
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I'm butchering it. Send us clothes

1179
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll figure it out. No, but yeah, no,

1180
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: the grove. Wow, imagine cruising at the grove.

1181
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: It happened.

1182
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: One time I saw my favorite porn star at the grove.

1183
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: Should I say who it is?

1184
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 4: Now?

1185
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: His name is Chris Damned. He's great and I saw Damned.

1186
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. But he's not like demonic. He's like

1187
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: quite lovely.

1188
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: I love it.

1189
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: But by the way, a lot of people are my favorites,

1190
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: and I don't have one favorite. At the time, I

1191
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: was gagged because there he was at the grove. Yeah,

1192
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, we're a star star.

1193
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: It's time. Oh my god, it might be time. I

1194
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 3: don't think so, honey, I don't think so, honey.

1195
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: And I like, I was sort of going back and

1196
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: forth about what I was going to do. I guess

1197
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: I'll do this, okay, because we also had a caffeine

1198
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: conversation before getting on.

1199
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll do that. Hey, so this is I

1200
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 3: don't think so honey.

1201
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: It's our one minute segment where we take sixty seconds

1202
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 2: aka one minute if you really think about it.

1203
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: To rip something apart in culture. And here we go.

1204
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 3: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts. Now.

1205
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: I don't think, so honey that coffee gives you coffee breath.

1206
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 4: That sucks.

1207
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 3: We need to figure it out.

1208
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: Like actually wake up in the morning and I'm become

1209
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: that person where I open my eyes and I need caffeine.

1210
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't think, so honey that it's gonna change anytime soon.

1211
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: Our guest is off caffeine, and I feel like I'm

1212
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: inspired by that. But it's just another one of my

1213
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: strange addictions. I now wake up in the morning, and

1214
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: also now I have relationships with the coffee shops. Those

1215
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: are my girls. I have my girls in LA and

1216
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: I have my girls in New York. And I just

1217
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: realized in this moment I'm leaving my apartment in La

1218
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: and I'm leaving my girls. Oh that's really hardly so

1219
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: back to what I was there, So sweet Fernanda. She

1220
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: also stands Lonna del Rush and we and like literally

1221
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: when I said I was going to Coachella, she goes,

1222
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: I love Lana.

1223
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: She did seconds and so she's an icon.

1224
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: But listen, the thing about coffee is it gives you

1225
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: coffee breath, which is so bad for kissing, speaking, breathing,

1226
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: et cetera and more. And I just want to figure

1227
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: out a way to get my fix of caffeine and

1228
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: not have coffee breath. I guess here it is Dia, Coke, Celsius, etcetera.

1229
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: But I love coffee. I don't think so, Hony, that's

1230
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: one minute.

1231
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: Like I'm now at the place where you just gotta

1232
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 3: you just gotta go cold turkey on it. I think,

1233
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: I think so.

1234
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: But it's like now it's like so built into my

1235
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: life getting a cold brew right away first thing when.

1236
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 3: You wake up.

1237
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 4: I quit over Christmas break And was it just because

1238
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 4: like you were getting Oh yeah, I was just like

1239
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 4: going crazy. I was like already too anxious and so

1240
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 4: like I was like, if I want to actually calm down.

1241
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 4: I have to take every stimulant away. Yeah, very stimulant.

1242
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: So wait, do you smoke weed?

1243
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 4: Not right now?

1244
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: Not right now?

1245
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like basically, are you in a place right

1246
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: now of like there's nothing going in good.

1247
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 4: I wish let me say that there's an asterisk. I

1248
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 4: want to fuck ton of drugs though, like yeah, yeah, yea,

1249
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, but it's not recreational. No, not right now, no, queen,

1250
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, come on, I'm yeah, I've got my I

1251
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 4: also have insomnia, so like, and I'm bipolar. So it's

1252
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 4: like really hard if you are like not sleeping and

1253
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 4: doing weed.

1254
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's cocktail.

1255
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 4: The cocktail. But I do love an edible. I do

1256
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 4: love shrimps. Thank you, Silo for sending me a box.

1257
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 4: I don't know how you did that legally.

1258
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: Hey, silou, and we can love that I know next time.

1259
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 4: But I agree with you, it's really hard. Quitting caffeine

1260
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: sucks for four weeks straight, well because then you're Okay.

1261
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 3: What we're not reckoning with is it is a drug totally.

1262
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 3: It is a drug.

1263
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 2: Like and now I actually wondered about that, like people

1264
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: that are in AA and stuff, like I wonder what

1265
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: the relationship is with caffeine.

1266
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a support group out there for you.

1267
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: That's wild. I think we can. Let's do it together. Well,

1268
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 3: it's like added to the list.

1269
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm now a place where it's just like I don't

1270
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: know why I keep doing this, but I just keep

1271
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm moving to a new apartment in New York, and

1272
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: I keep associating that with the day my new life

1273
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: will begin. But like, you can't. That's like, that's like

1274
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: addicts speak to you to yourself. It's like, well, I'll

1275
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: be I'll be sober from this thing by age thirty five,

1276
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: or like I'll just stop doing this on May twelve,

1277
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1278
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: It's like it's like, but why wouldn't you just stop

1279
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: doing it now?

1280
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: Right?

1281
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1282
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: So that's me with caffeine, and this would solve my

1283
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: coffee breath problem period. I think very afraid of people,

1284
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: like I think the one of the worst things that

1285
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 2: could happen is for.

1286
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 3: People to be like, oh, he has bad breath. That's bad.

1287
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 4: That is my worst nightmare.

1288
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, or someone saying that don't worry anyway, don't worry about.

1289
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: It, okay, bowing yang, you actually came in galvanized today

1290
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: I did. Okay, so this is bowing yang' I don't

1291
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: think so many time starts now, I don't think.

1292
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 3: So many amper sands. You're doing too much. Oh why

1293
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 3: do you look like that? Why do you look like other? Ways?

1294
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: Stay in one lane, figure out one Look. I'm gonna

1295
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 3: draw an ampersanda right now. Okay, and now I have

1296
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 3: carple tunnel. That is crazy that shape, And here's I

1297
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: looked it up. This is what ampersanda is short for,

1298
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 3: quote unquote and per se and honey, just say and

1299
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: just say, and you will never be plus. You will

1300
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: never be universal, worldwide global like plus is good luck

1301
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: finding an am person in any non Latin based writing system.

1302
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 3: Plus is here to stay. Plus everyone on earth, from

1303
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 3: children to elders, knows what plus means. It will sit

1304
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: in for and just fine. And if you're too lazy

1305
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 3: to write a n D, honey, you're in for a

1306
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 3: root awakening. Lots of other challenges in life up ahead

1307
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: for you. It's not saving you time, it's gonna give

1308
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: you wrist problems. And you're being stupid. And that's what

1309
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 3: I didn't stick the landing, No, No, you did that

1310
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 3: was great. That was epic universe. Thank you.

1311
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: I have to say, especially as two people who often

1312
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 2: are Matt and Bowen and the em person is in there,

1313
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: don't do it.

1314
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: Don't do it. From now on, it's Matt plus Bowen, right,

1315
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: Matt plus Bowen. We were doing plus. I used to

1316
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 3: nam persan. Recently, I'm gonna I'm gonna start to retroactively.

1317
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: You ended am person today. Thank you, Thank you so much.

1318
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: Sorry thoughts on a person?

1319
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 4: I use it everything.

1320
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: No, wait, when you're doing what I.

1321
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 4: Will, I write incursive and so it's like I'm like,

1322
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 4: I use an signed all the time.

1323
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: Though, how do you write it? How do you write?

1324
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 4: I don't do that crazy eight thing.

1325
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 3: It's the crazy eight thing is that you do the

1326
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 3: reverse three in the line down the middle.

1327
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: I just go it looks like an upside down four.

1328
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: No, that's a plus sign.

1329
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, then I do that.

1330
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, because you've also done it. I don't

1331
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: think so, honey, on the letter nine.

1332
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: On the letter nine, the number nine, sassame street, reach out.

1333
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: You need us there to teach the children. Wait, the

1334
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: number nine.

1335
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: So wait, if you don't like am percent, how can

1336
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: you stand by the number eight because.

1337
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 3: Eight represents the number eight, and but it still will

1338
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: give you a carpor tunnel if asked to write it,

1339
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 3: if to ask with writing it. And it's easier for

1340
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 3: me to write eight the numeral than it is to

1341
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 3: write E I, G H T. And is barely saving

1342
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: you any time from writing. And I do agree that.

1343
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: Handwriting and ampersand is like a mind fuck. But you know,

1344
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: if you can figure it out, which seems I support.

1345
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 3: Okay, Chapel, I feel like you you you wrote your

1346
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: topic down and we don't know what it is yet.

1347
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 4: This is how I do it.

1348
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: This is like, okay, is this the creative process? Are

1349
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: you always carrying around like a moleskin?

1350
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 4: This isn't mine?

1351
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: This is no I know, but but I'm but I'm

1352
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: in a world where it is yours, and that's really good.

1353
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: Thank you. Okay, it's time, this is Chapel rounds. I

1354
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.

1355
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 4: My I don't think so, honey. Is stop. Let people

1356
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 4: get venus. Let let the people have bad venir, let

1357
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 4: them have good veneers, let them fall out, let them

1358
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 4: be pure white, let them look like coffee. Let them

1359
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 4: who cares if they don't fit. What if they love them?

1360
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 4: What if people love their Veneers? What if they saved

1361
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 4: up so long to get these veneers? Thirty seconds and

1362
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 4: then you say that they look fucked up. Don't say

1363
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 4: that to them. Let the girls get veneers, yes, like,

1364
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 4: let them look like buck teeth, and you know what,

1365
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 4: it's okay if they.

1366
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: Talk different fifteen seconds.

1367
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 4: That's what happens. When you change your teeth, You're just

1368
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 4: gonna look and talk different, and it's okay. Stop dragging them.

1369
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 4: Your teeth are probably busted, which is fine. But you

1370
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 4: know what, I support you if you got veneers and

1371
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 4: you're busted.

1372
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's one minute. Okay, this is important. Way,

1373
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: this is amazing. It's very American of people to be like,

1374
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: I know how teeth are supposed to look.

1375
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 4: Do you want to know my hottest take? How people

1376
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 4: drag cosmetic surgery and drag cosbic whatever. Yeah, you know

1377
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: what's fucking cosmetic braces?

1378
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1379
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 4: So you want to tell me you haven't had cosmetic

1380
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 4: work done, but you've had.

1381
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 3: Braces, hmm, got them? Got them?

1382
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 4: Don't tell me that.

1383
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: We've all had gender affirming care. It all me me

1384
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 3: shaving my fucking stubble this morning is g ac wow.

1385
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 3: Not to go there, but are you speaking? And I

1386
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 3: will say this is especially meaningful coming from you because

1387
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 3: I feel like your your your orthodontire is very pristine.

1388
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 4: Because I had fucking I had work done my teeth. Yeah,

1389
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 4: I had fucking visi line for years because I could

1390
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 4: afford it.

1391
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: Right, how what was the invisiline process like for you?

1392
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm actually flirting with it in my in my brain

1393
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 2: because people have started to get a little mean about

1394
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 2: my teeth.

1395
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 4: Because they're American.

1396
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1397
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 4: Wow, it's only in the United States that it's fucking

1398
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: people are obsessed, obsessed, obsessed, And if you do have

1399
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 4: to and they're fucking yellow, they better not be. Like

1400
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 4: in reality, bitch, you have to have money to do

1401
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 4: this ship right, it's so expensive. No one has fucking healthcare.

1402
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 4: No one has four fucking braces. Like, so I say

1403
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 4: let them be. I say let it be. We need

1404
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 4: girls with different teas.

1405
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 3: I never thought I had bade you bad. You know

1406
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 3: what it is. It's like they're just okay. So this

1407
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 3: was living. This is the truth. This is the truth

1408
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 3: I was. I did. I did a very small role

1409
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 3: in a.

1410
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: Movie called Lyle Law Crocodile, a huge movie called you

1411
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: Know called My co stars Shawn Mendes as the crocodile

1412
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: and Constance wu As herself as a character. But she

1413
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: was what was your character? So I played like a

1414
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 2: Ryan Seacrest, like America's got talent, like hosts. Because of

1415
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: course Lyle Lyle goes and wiles the judges at the end.

1416
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 2: So the little boy playing the lead I'm saying this

1417
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: publicly comes over me, like runs over to me and goes,

1418
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, what's up? He goes, you have sharp

1419
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: teeth like a shark.

1420
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 3: And I go literally go, you can't say that to people,

1421
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 3: and he just runs away. And I was like, this.

1422
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 4: Little actor just dragged me to hell.

1423
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 3: And then you know what happened. I went into the

1424
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 3: goddamn bathroom and went like this.

1425
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: Pretty shine a line almost.

1426
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 3: Like AMI thinking like what is wrong?

1427
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 4: And then they.

1428
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: Started saying like he needs braces. But I also want

1429
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: to tell you I tuck it on one side of

1430
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 2: my mouth. So but this is the stuff you Americans

1431
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: have gotten in my head.

1432
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 3: And then one guy I was I was dating said

1433
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: never change the gap, and change the gap. No, no, no,

1434
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: everybody I've dated.

1435
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 4: I've dated a lot of different teeth, and I like

1436
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 4: them all.

1437
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, as long.

1438
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 4: As you don't have bad breath.

1439
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 3: Who fucking cares, right, that's my coffee.

1440
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it. I love when people

1441
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 4: have gold teeth. I love it when people have missing teeth.

1442
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 4: I love it. Yes, I just like, let's see, it's

1443
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 4: also just like, bitch, so parents could never fucking afford

1444
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 4: their kids to have racist when you grow up, that's

1445
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 4: what's what happens.

1446
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 3: I know.

1447
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 4: And you know what, it's fucking hell to have races,

1448
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 4: and some people really need them because or al s

1449
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 4: they'll have actual like jaw problems, or like teeth will

1450
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 4: start falling out because it's overcrowding whatever. Bitch. Yeah, like,

1451
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 4: but I was actually admiring your teeth the whole time.

1452
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 4: Oh really, yeah, I was like, it's so they're so

1453
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 4: cute and right, and you have very.

1454
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: White teeth too. But I thank you for saying this

1455
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 3: important thing about let veneers be yellow, because they should

1456
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 3: be a little yellow, because then someone's gonna say, well,

1457
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 3: those veneers are too white. It's like there's you can't

1458
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 3: win with them.

1459
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 4: They won't win. You won't win.

1460
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 3: That's important. It's not about can't. It's not about should.

1461
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, or you might win, you will not. That's for

1462
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 4: my therapist on Monday.

1463
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 3: Honestly, are you going once a week?

1464
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 4: Maybe? I'much twice, I mean twice a week. I have

1465
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 4: my biodynamic cranial sacral therapy, I have my acupuncture, I

1466
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 4: have my Oh.

1467
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 3: My girls, I need to try acupuncture. Acupuncture will slag.

1468
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 4: Really, I had to do it like ten times until

1469
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 4: I really was like, I understand it.

1470
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 2: It takes a minute, it takes a se what do

1471
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: you mean, like physically it's hard to adjust to it

1472
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:26,480
Speaker 2: or just want to because.

1473
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 4: Like you know, you're like I was trained in like

1474
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 4: only medicine works, like only like taking medicine works, and

1475
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 4: so whenever I don't have like an immediate like I

1476
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 4: take child and then I feel better if I go

1477
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 4: and get acupuncture, and I'm like, nothing's different. Yeah, I

1478
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 4: was like does this work? I don't know. And it's

1479
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 4: like with wellness medicine, you just it's about yeah, you

1480
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 4: have to keep fucking going and showing up. And like

1481
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,799
Speaker 4: I realized if like the actual acupuncture itself wasn't doing

1482
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 4: anything differently, I knew that every time I walked in there,

1483
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 4: I immediately got called where Yeah, and that's you know,

1484
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 4: and now I believe that it's doing something. It is

1485
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, it's doing both now right.

1486
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: I love that I'm just lying there for like a

1487
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 3: half hour and I can't do anything. Yeah, it's kind

1488
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 3: of cool.

1489
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1490
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 3: And it's kind of cool.

1491
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 2: Today was kind of cool. Today was very cool. And

1492
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: we were so happy that you were able to come.

1493
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: Like we've been wanting to do this with you for

1494
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: such a long time and we are you know obviously

1495
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: you know it feels like even silly to say, but

1496
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,799
Speaker 2: like we are such fans, I know, like we really

1497
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: like I just think you're the best.

1498
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 4: You guys made me feel so special. You believed in

1499
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 4: the art, You were the start of the getting the

1500
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 4: queer community on or like no, no, I'm serious like

1501
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 4: you Like I remember guys nominated.

1502
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 3: From Buckingham Palace, love that palace, and I was.

1503
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 4: Like, I can't believe I'm nominated with like Mona, Like

1504
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 4: that's so cool. I was like, this is crazy that

1505
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 4: these were all like nominated. That's feels so big. And

1506
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 4: because I've never been like recognized on a platform that

1507
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 4: big yet, So that was so I don't know, I

1508
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: just really appreciate it and that you got it, like

1509
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 4: you were the first people in media to get it

1510
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 4: because you articulated it for the right for the first time,

1511
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 4: because you were like, it's campy, there's lore, and I

1512
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 4: was like, finally someone understands that it's a joke. Finally

1513
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 4: they understand that I'm everything I'm doing is like an

1514
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 4: homage or reference to like the Queer Elders. Finally someone

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Speaker 4: understands that it's deeper than just what I'm doing on

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Speaker 4: stage or writing about. Like it felt so nice to

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Speaker 4: be understood. That is what was so awesome. I was like,

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Speaker 4: it's working, and there's they're the proofs.

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Speaker 2: And you're so for real and that we just like

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Speaker 2: it's been truly surreal and a joy even for us

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Speaker 2: to watch everyone really embrace you. And I just hope

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Speaker 2: that even sometimes when it feels difficult, you know just

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Speaker 2: how helled.

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Speaker 3: You are and how loved you are, and how.

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Speaker 2: How special we think you are, and like you'll always

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Speaker 2: have a place right.

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Speaker 3: There right here. Let's get the ears together.

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Speaker 2: So we have every episode with a song bo right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could do one of our guests, but

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Speaker 2: also also st it oh.

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Speaker 5: By a battle mans Oh bat mans I.

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Speaker 3: Knew you'd go on, I went up here everything Bye.

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Speaker 3: Last Culture. Racis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big

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Speaker 3: Money Players and Ihart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yek,

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Speaker 2: executive produced by Anna Hasnier and produced by Becka Ramos,

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Speaker 2: edited mixed by Doug Bami and Nikla Board and our

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Speaker 2: music is by Henry Komirski