1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we are saving the 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: day here on Stuff you should Know. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: That's right, Chuck. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: I guess I just said that we're secure to save 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: the day, and we are. We're going to talk about 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: the Cajun Navy in a second, but before we do, 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: we just got back from tour and you did something 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: that I didn't do and I want to hear about it. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, weh. I got tabbed to perform in the 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: Hanging with Doctor z Show, which, if you don't know, 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: it is comedian Dana Gould has a professional Doctor zayas 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: a Planet of the Apes costume, nice and he just 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: does a straight up late night talk show as Doctor Zaias. 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: That's the only sort of wrinkle to it, and it's 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. And I was on. It's 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: kind of a straight guy, you know, clearly wasn't the 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: improvising comedian, but I did an okay job. But Dave 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: Folly of the Kids in the Hall was there. Yeah, 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: and Janet Barney, the Great Andy Daily, and I just 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: got to tell you quickly about the night before in 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: the hotel. Yeah, I was hanging out in the lobby 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: with a friend of the show, Adam Pranica, and friend 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: of your life and our good friend and booking agent 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: Josh Lingren, having some drinks and all of a sudden, Cole, 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: co founder of Sketch Best, walks over with Dave Foley 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: and they all sit down and day Folly sits next 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: to me and we have like a thirty minute conversation. 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: That's so cool. And this is the night before, so 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: when you guys were on stage together, you were like 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: old pals. 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: It was a familiarity built in. Dave Folly was the 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: nicest sky you could ever imagine. That's so great, he 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: asked him. He clearly had listened to stuff you should 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: know because he said something about is Josh here, so 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: he knows your name. 38 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: Pretty cool. 39 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: And we're sitting there having a conversation, and all of 40 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: a sudden, I look up and it's Scott Thompson and 41 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: Bruce McCullough and Kevin McDonald man, and they all see 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: Dave and come over, and this is the first time 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: they'd seen each other. I mean, I don't know how long, 44 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: but you know, they were doing a screening of brain 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: Candy the next night. 46 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: Oh cool. 47 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: And so they were all just seeing each other for 48 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: the first time that weekend, and they It warmed your 49 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 1: heart so much seeing how much these guys liked each 50 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: other and how they liked seeing each other. 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that makes me really happy to hear 52 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: that they're as great as they seem. 53 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was incredible. They were just they were hugging 54 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: and laughing, and I'm looking across at lingern And and 55 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: Adam and We're both have looks on her faces like 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: what is happening right now? And Bruce McCullough had the 57 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: one of the funniest lines I've ever seen, you know, 58 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: how you just bag on friends as a as a rule. 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: They're all standing around and laughing and Bruce McCullough goes, 60 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: isn't it great that Mark isn't here? 61 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: Mark? 62 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: It was so funny, man, It was like the perfect 63 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: line at the perfect and they all busted out laughing 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: and I got to I got to kind of eavesdrop 65 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: on their stories. And then the next night Scott Thompson 66 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: telling stories. Today, Foley, I'm just like a fly on 67 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: the wall trying to be invisible, just trying to soak 68 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: in these stories about Lorne Michael's in the early days 69 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: and like trashing hotel rooms, and it was it was 70 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: just great. 71 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: That's really cool man. 72 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that she could have been there. That was the 73 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: only thing missing was you. 74 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: I wish I could have too, And thank you for 75 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: saying that. That's nice. But thanks for telling me all 76 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: about it, and congrats on a great showing at the 77 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: What is it hanging with Doctor Z? 78 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Hanging with Doctor Z? Dana's the best. He's so funny. 79 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: Is it anywhere? Like somebody can see it online? 80 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if they. I don't think they shot 81 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: video for this. I'm curious, But go watch episodes of 82 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: Hanging with Doctor C. It's a lot of fun. 83 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: Okay, cool, cool. Well, that was great. Thank you for 84 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: telling everybody about it. And I guess now, let's you 85 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: want to start the episode about the Cajun Navy. 86 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Not too long ago in an episode, 87 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: we had a listener mail that referenced the Cajun Navy. 88 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: It is not something that I had heard of, even 89 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: though it has been sort of all over the news. 90 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: But I don't watch news with my eyes and ears 91 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: I generally read stuff, and I guess it just had 92 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: never read anything about this, even though the Cajun Navy 93 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: seems like have done a lot of great things, but 94 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: there's also some criticism. 95 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good example of how absolutely everything in 96 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: the United States can become politicized. 97 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. 98 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: And it is like I get criticisms, I also get 99 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: the praise as well, Like at the end of the day, 100 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: these these dudes, as you'll see, are putting their lives 101 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: on the line to help other people. 102 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: That's right. What we're talking about is a group of 103 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: men and women. Now there are many different groups, but 104 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: it's been dubbed the Cajun Navy, and it sprang from 105 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina when they were like, hey, we need more help. 106 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: We need help beyond FEMA in this case, it's so devastating. 107 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: We know that you've got boats, you got airboats, and 108 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: you have the will people of Louisiana, and the call 109 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: went out and they people came to help and helped 110 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: a lot, and they were dubbed the Cajun Navy. 111 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. So although the Cajun Navy is we'll see, like 112 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: as we understand it today, really kind of developed in 113 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Basically all the origin stories, all competing origin stories, 114 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: traced through themselves back to Katrina. And that is a 115 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: good place to start because that is one of the 116 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: best examples of government failing it's people that has happened 117 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: in recent history. The Bush administration, FEMA, like they just 118 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: botched helping people, and so there was a really big 119 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: vacuum that other people who were just basically moved to 120 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: go help people who'd just been left behind, like, hey, 121 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: good luck on your roof, hopefully everything works out. People 122 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: got their own boats, they got their own trailers. They 123 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 2: drove to New Orleans and got as close as they could. 124 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: They put their boats in when they hit the water, 125 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: and they went and rescued those people themselves. No one 126 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: paid them, no one even really asked them to do this. 127 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: They just knew that people were in trouble, they knew 128 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: that they could help them. And so I think, as 129 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: Governor Kathleen Blanco later said, when she was kind of 130 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: talking about this retrospectively, she said, it was Louisiana people 131 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: helping Louisiana people. 132 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there were some asks and calls for help. 133 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: There was a Louisiana State center named Nick Gautro, and 134 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: he went on the TV in the radio during Katrina, 135 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: and he said, hey, if you've got a boat, we 136 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: need your help. There's a mall outside of New Orleans 137 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: and Lafayette about one hundred and fifty miles away, and 138 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: we could use some people. And he thought, maybe, you know, 139 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: twenty thirty people might show up. Close to four hundred 140 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: people show up, showed up, and they ended up forming 141 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: an eight mile convoy of trucks and boats. And in 142 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: the end, CBS News reports that they rescued ten thousand 143 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: people during Katrina alone. 144 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is where they were dubbed the Cajun 145 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: Navy later on. But like, this is just it's astounding, 146 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: Like from the outset, it was just just amazing, like 147 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: just the number of people who shut up, the number 148 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: of people they saved. And this is exactly the kind 149 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: of thing that people love to read about, hear about, 150 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: see about, because it's like, yes, people are still basically good. 151 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: And then on the other hand, we also as a 152 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: country in particular, love to start picking apart everybody, including 153 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: heroes who selfishly act. 154 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: That's right. The guy who would later become one of 155 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: the founders of the United Cajun Navy, and like we said, 156 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: there's a I think close to thirty or more people 157 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: are groups organizations who have dubbed themselves some version of 158 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: a Cajun Navy like this. Yeah, well we should point 159 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: out that only three of those are nonprofits. 160 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah that's a big, big deal. 161 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a red flag in some cases. But this 162 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: guy's name was Todd Terrell, and he owned a seafood 163 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: business that was completely devastated during the first few days 164 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: of Katrina. So he lost everything, and after that he 165 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: didn't take his shrip net and go home. He said, 166 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to help rescue people, and so he kind 167 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: of headed up a lot of this and ended up 168 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: one of the actual founders of the United Cajun Navy, 169 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: like I said. 170 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the United Cajun Navy's one of the big ones, 171 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: maybe the biggest, definitely the most professionalized, and they are 172 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 2: a five OHO one C three nonprofit. But the Cajun 173 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: Navy moniker itself is shared by a number of different groups, 174 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: like you said, And there's something about these people in 175 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: particular that make them they have a very specific set 176 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: of skills. I guess you could say one a lot 177 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: of them are Cajun and grew up, spent their whole 178 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: lives and still spend a lot of their time out 179 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: on the bayou in boats that are designed to navigate 180 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: obstacles in very shallow water. 181 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: That is to say, airboats, airboats, p rogues. 182 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's well those two. I think bass boats also, 183 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: they use a lot of bass boats. So not only 184 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: are their boats designed for this, they have a lot 185 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: of experience they getting around a dumpster, but say in 186 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: the form of like a cypress tree, and all of 187 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: the knees like, they know what they're doing. They're expert 188 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 2: boatmen and boat people. How about that? Yeah, and so 189 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: there's a there's a really like big incentive for these 190 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: to welcome these people because they know what they're doing. 191 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: The issue is, as we'll see again and again, they 192 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: are expert both people. They don't necessarily have search and 193 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: rescue training. And that's one of the probably the biggest, 194 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: most legitimate criticisms of the whole thing. 195 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, even though I was born in Katrina, 196 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: believe he kind of hinted that twenty sixteen, during the 197 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: thousand Year Flood of Louisiana, when thirty one inches of 198 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: rain fell on Baton Rouge over the course of twenty 199 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: four hours. 200 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: Insane. 201 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: It was an incredible amount of rain, completely devastating. The 202 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: first you know, when Katrina happened, that was pre smartphone 203 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. That was the difference. Was all of a sudden, 204 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: you had fifty six of Louisiana sixty four parishes were 205 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: declared federal disaster areas, and you had a Cajun navy 206 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: at work with smartphones and social media that could triangulate 207 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: and who could posts like we need people here, we 208 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: need people there. It became much more organized, much more 209 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: cohesive in twenty sixteen thanks to you know, social media 210 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:42,359 Speaker 1: and smartphones. 211 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and in particular an app called Zello. 212 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: This sounds cool, I'm going to try this out with 213 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: a fanly we. 214 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: You should go check out the website for the app, 215 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: like just there, you know, all the different bells and 216 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: whistles that has it is nuts. So basically, Zello turns 217 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: a cell phone into a walkie talkie. Even if you 218 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: barely have a signal, you can use it. Like with 219 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: a low enough signal that you couldn't make a call, 220 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: you can still use your phone as a Zelo walkie talkie. 221 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: So cool. 222 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: It gets even better. It translates, you can speak and 223 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: it will translate into another language that you select. You 224 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: can coordinate with people who speak different languages. And all 225 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: of a sudden, now all of these people who only 226 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: had cell phones can now coordinate and organize and be 227 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: much more effective than just like say, two guys in 228 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: a boat and there's two other guys in a boat here. 229 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 2: Now they're saying, well, this is where people need the 230 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: most help. Let's send these guys out here because they're 231 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: closest to go get those people. Like there was a 232 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: completely different level of coordination and organization than in Katrina. 233 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: Does it translate the Cajun accent? 234 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it, but yes it does. 235 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: I will give you full reassurance. 236 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: You know who could help us with that as their 237 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: old buddy. 238 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: Doug, right, Doug Shashery. Yeah cheshree. 239 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: We've met him backstage are two New Orleans shows. What 240 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: a good guy. 241 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: He treats us so well. He brought us budan m hm, 242 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: and we just went to town on those things. Yeah, 243 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: so good sausage balls, right, Yeah, that's what it is, right, 244 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: Freddie Gravy sausage balls. They're amazing. 245 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: It's so good. The Cajun Navy these days, though, is 246 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: a big deal. Like you said, like the three like 247 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: super legitimate. And I'm not saying that none others are 248 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: doing good work, but the three nonprofits are like big, 249 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: big time. They have multimillion dollar budgets. Now, they have 250 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: chapters all like even in Hawaii, they have them all 251 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: over the country, and they are funded by charitable donations. 252 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: They're staff by volunteers. And that seems like a good 253 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: time for a break, good intro, I agree. All right, 254 00:12:47,720 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: it's an early break, but we'll be right back. All right, 255 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: we're back, and we're gonna talk about the credo of 256 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: the Cajun Navy, because if they're known for one thing, 257 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: that is like don't wait around and just say people 258 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: just get things done. And their credo is it's unofficial, 259 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: but it seems pretty official is act first and deal 260 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: with the consequences later. 261 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: Right, which, on one hand is like, yep, if you 262 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: are stuck on your roof, that is the kind of 263 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: person you want to come get you. You don't want 264 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: them to filling out forms to get permission to come 265 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 2: rescue you from your roof, right, that's right. On the 266 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: other hand, there's reasons for regulations safety for everybody there, 267 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: there's reasons for government in that sense. Right. This is 268 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: where this is where the kind of breakdown starts to occur. 269 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start with the good of acting first. You're 270 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: going to rescue a lot more people, a lot quicker. 271 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: You're going to get food and aid to people a 272 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: lot quicker. A very great example of this was Hurricane Harvey, 273 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: the Category four that dumped sixty inches of brain in 274 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: Texas over of course of four days. It was completely devastating, 275 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: apparently the wettest costly as hurricane in US history. And 276 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: because of what happened in twenty sixteen, I think they 277 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: felt like, hey, the call is coming now from Texas. 278 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: There was a call specifically in one case that was 279 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: a nursing home in Port Arthur that was underwater. Cajun 280 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: Navy volunteers rushed out there. They got there, they found, 281 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, people not able to get out of their wheelchairs, 282 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: stuck up to their knees, and sewage water they hadn't 283 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: eaten since at least the day before. They were hydrated. 284 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: Many of them were confused and it kind of came 285 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: literally to blows when a Navy volunteer named Ben Husser 286 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: went to get these people out, and the director was like, 287 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: our corporate policy, sir says, it has to be a 288 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: national guard evacuating us. 289 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: Right, And so ben Husser said that he beat the 290 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: hell out of this guy. He drew has gone on 291 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: him at one point to basically say, you need to 292 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: get out of my way because we're evacuating these elderly patients. 293 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: So you're clearly neglecting. And they did. They ended up 294 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: they ended up evacuating this group of nursing home patients, 295 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: got them to I think a bowling alley or a 296 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: movie theater, both which were turned into basically emergency centers 297 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: for people shelters. And this was like, this story is 298 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: tailor made for social media, right. 299 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 300 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: One of the reasons why it's taylor made for social 301 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: media is because it only presents one side, and it 302 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: presents like what seems like the morally correct approach to 303 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: this situation. Just like anything, there's another nothing is black 304 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: and white. And so this nursing home director, in one sense, yes, 305 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: he was following his corporate orders that he was not 306 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: supposed to let anybody else evacuate the patients, but he 307 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: was responsible for these patients. On top of that, there 308 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: are studies that show that evacuating elderly and medically frail 309 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: people can actually be deadlier than having them shelter in place. 310 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: That's even if you're evacuating them ahead of a storm. 311 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: This was in the middle of a storm that these 312 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: elderly and medically frail people were evacuated. And then thirdly, 313 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: these Keijun Navy guys showed up. They don't have like 314 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: id cards that say Cajun Navy signed by the Governor 315 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: of Louisiana. They're just some dudes that showed up, one 316 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: of which pulled a gun on the director of the 317 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: nursing home and said, we're getting these old people who 318 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: you're responsible for out of here. Get out of our way, 319 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: or we're going to beat you up and shoot you. 320 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: So like to this is the Cajun Navy is just 321 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: such a great flashpoint because it's so easy to almost 322 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: cartoonize what they're doing, for better or worse, and just 323 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: completely ignore the reality of the situation. And I think 324 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: in that sense it's just so worth talking about because 325 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: it's an exercise, and how how much emotion and just 326 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: dumbness we put into evaluating stuff, and how tribal that 327 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: stuff makes us, and that this is a great example 328 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: of saying, here's something people are doing, here's the problems 329 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: with it. Let's figure out how to work everything out 330 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: together so that they can still save lives without the 331 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: downsides that are clearly inherently posed in this. 332 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: That's why this. 333 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: Cajun Navy story is so I find important. 334 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, as far as kind of 335 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: seeing it both ways, that happened all the way up 336 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: to the top of the ladder. Donald Trump became very 337 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: sort of, I guess, briefly attached to John Bridges, a 338 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: founder of the Cajun Navy, specifically Cajun Navy twenty sixteen, 339 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: which is its own group, invited him to the State 340 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: of Union address in twenty eighteen, had them up there. 341 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: When the Houston Astros visited the White House after they 342 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: won the World Series, he called out the incredible Cajun Navy. 343 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: And then, you know, on the other hand, was quoted 344 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: as sort of saying like, hey, you know, stay in 345 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: your boats, like these guys are out here trying to 346 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: impress their wives and let the professionals do their work. 347 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: And I think that just kind of illustrates how each 348 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: side has a leg to stand on, you know, like, sure, 349 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: you want to rescue people, but as we'll see, you know, 350 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: the rules and regulations are there for a reason. But 351 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: sometimes it's just dumb red tape. It's like it's hard 352 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: to kind of come down for me on hard on 353 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: one side or the other, because on one hand, you 354 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: have a group that a lot of this comes from 355 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: sort of an anti government sentiment, if not anti government, 356 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: maybe be very distrustful of the response to natural disasters. 357 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: But then when you see botched responses, you can see 358 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: where they're coming from. 359 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, as far as how these people's direct 360 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 2: experience with FEMA was in Katrina, I think George W. 361 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: Bush put it best when he said, fool me once, Sha, 362 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: shame on you fool me, you can't get fooled again. 363 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: And that's essentially what happened. FEMA fooled them once and 364 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: they have never forgotten it. 365 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: I thought that was Roger Daltrey. 366 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was pretty folding. 367 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: Here's a quote from the vice president of United Cajun Navy, 368 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: another group, Brian Trasher said, Katrina is what ultimately showed 369 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: us in the world that really people, even in the 370 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: richest country in the world, people cannot rely on their 371 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: government to save them from the weather. If a flash 372 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: flood hit your house and all of a sudden you're 373 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: on a roof, you're not looking around for FEMA because 374 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: they're nowhere around. And a lot of the this goes 375 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: back to not just a distrust of the official systems, 376 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: but sort of the shame of a nation, a nation 377 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: like you got, the richest country in the world that's 378 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: not able to save their citizens from a flood, or 379 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: people that need to rely on the donations of their 380 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors to get over cancer without bankrupt erupting them, 381 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: you know right. 382 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's definitely a supported insupportable viewpoint for sure. 383 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: How about this, We'll take a break and we'll come 384 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: back and we'll talk some more. How about the Cajun Navy. 385 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: Let's do it. 386 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: So, Chuck, I think you mentioned that twenty sixteen was 387 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: a really pivotal time. Those floods in Baton Rouge. Yeah, 388 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: where a bunch of different groups that present themselves as 389 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: Cajun Navy groups formed and As some of these groups 390 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: really started to emerge, in particular Cajun Navy Relief and 391 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: United Cajun Navy, they started to organize. They started to 392 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 2: form five oh one c threes and accept donations and 393 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: show up more and more frequently at natural disasters. They 394 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 2: started to get more pushback. It went from just some 395 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: guys with boats to this is an actual organization showing 396 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: up right, and what they're you know, they're organizing, they're helping, 397 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: but they're still as far as we the people who 398 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: are professionals at this stuff are concerned, just some guys 399 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: with boats. And there was you know, I guess tension 400 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 2: that started to arise. 401 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Amanda Faulkner was a spokesperson for the 402 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: Coast Guard. I believe that said, you know, we have 403 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: plenty of boats. We don't need more boats. The Coastguard 404 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: has all the boats that we need. We know when 405 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: it's safe to get them out in the water. At 406 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: one point, do you become a liability? Is basically what 407 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: people started asking. Or when are you in the way, 408 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: when are you creating an unsafe situation? Or like you 409 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: said with the people in the retirement home, like maybe 410 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: you know if there were fifteen of them, maybe thirteen 411 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: of them. That was great to get them out of there, 412 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: but what if two of them had very adverse health 413 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: outcomes because of that rescue? 414 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: Right, And also you have not received medical training to 415 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 2: evacuate people. The National Guard who are supposed to evacuate 416 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: these people do get medical training. Like, there's just a 417 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: lot of arguments that you can make against it, and 418 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: some government agencies have started to make those arguments against it, 419 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: and you can say, well, yeah, these guys are upset 420 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: that their turf is being stepped on, and even worse, 421 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: they're being made to look ineffective, right and caring and 422 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: just basically concern with bureaucracy not saving people's lives, which 423 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: is what the Cajun Navy is all about. 424 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and especially if it's a situation where you're 425 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: rescuing people in Louisiana and a group of Cajuns on 426 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: an airboat show up, they may be just innately more 427 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: trusting of them than when the FEMA truck pulls up, 428 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, for sure, like their locals. And you know, 429 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy started springing up that like FEMA was actually I 430 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: think this was in Heleen, Yeah, and Helene in twenty 431 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: twenty four started in Florida, went up through the East 432 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: coast into the Appalachian Mountains, killed a lot of people, 433 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty people, and I think it was 434 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: the deadliest hurricane since Katrina. And this is when conspiracy 435 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: started to spring up in words getting around that FEMA 436 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: is using the governments using this as a chance to 437 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: seize your property so they can have and own your land. 438 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: Right And just like how in twenty sixteen, social media 439 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 2: helped a lot of the Cajun Navy organize and be 440 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: more effective. This is a great example of how social 441 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: media helped the whole system just break down all the 442 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: more completely. Because if you have people who actually believe 443 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 2: that these government agents who are now there, like I 444 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: saw a FEMA truck femas here, that they're actually going 445 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: to try to steal your land, maybe kill you, like 446 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 2: and you're already under the stress of your houses underwater 447 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: because of the natural disaster, that's going to create a 448 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: climate that you don't really need. That's not the Cajun 449 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: Navy's fault. You can't really lay that on them. The 450 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: point is that in that kind of climate, they become 451 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 2: all the more vital, But at the same time them 452 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: pointing out the failures of the government just by them 453 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: existing becomes all the more pronounced as well. 454 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and boy, I hope what doesn't happen is that 455 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: the Cajun Navy doesn't roll in here and disparage or 456 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: more organized governmental efforts at the same time. 457 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: You know, the ones that I saw, the ones that 458 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: like you could feel comfortable donating or good about donating to, don't. Okay, No, 459 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: that's actually a pretty good sign. I think if you 460 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: actually are looking at a Cajun Navy to donate to, 461 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 2: and they do that, then you should probably keep walking. 462 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you look at the you know, the 463 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: sort of more official, organized ones, they they do try 464 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: to work with FEMA. They're not combative. Sometimes they do 465 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: work around FEMA if they think that it is holding 466 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: up a legitimate rescue or aid coming to someone. But 467 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: Todd Terrell said, you know, we try to work with 468 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: the government as best we can, but the government can't 469 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: do what we do. FEMA's not designed to do what 470 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: the Cajun Navy does. And that's you know, that's a fact. 471 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: It's it's a quicker moving, quicker operating. You know, they 472 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: make the point that somebody with a laptop or a 473 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: or a satellite phone and the Cajun Navy can get 474 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: supplies there a lot quicker than going the official route. 475 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, like you you could say, hey, we 476 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 2: have a whole bunch of bottled water we want you 477 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: to take with you when you take your boat to 478 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: go rescue people, and that aid that you sent to 479 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: those people in need could get them in a few 480 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: hours rather than having to go to a warehouse, be 481 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: put on a truck and then the truck has to 482 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: deliver supplies like it's it as agile as they say 483 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 2: in like the project management world. And that's a huge bonus, 484 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: I mean, in addition to the fact that these these 485 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: people are risking their lives to save other people for 486 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 2: no compensation whatsoever. 487 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an article in GQ by Miriam Markowitz who 488 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: kind of affirmed what we were saying about. You know, 489 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: it just shows like people love to have faith in 490 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: like regular people, and they love the hero stories. But 491 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: points out I think the quote is for our efforts 492 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: to be effective, they need to be large scale. Systemic 493 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: heroism can't be the exception in a civilized society. And 494 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be financed by micro donations through GoFundMe campaigns. 495 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: We pay taxes for firefighters and police because we can't 496 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: bank on the whims of our neighbors to save us. 497 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: And it's these institutions that have cracks that need to 498 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: be shored up along with some local volunteer efforts. 499 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: I think, you know, yeah, but those institutions that we 500 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: pay for through our taxes, like we're owed them to 501 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: be effective in response. Yeah, But at the same time, 502 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: when those things work correctly, that is something that can 503 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: give the entire nation a sense of pride, right, And 504 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: just the same way that stories about everyday people joining 505 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: the Cajun Navy saving other everyday people saving their lives. Literally, 506 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: they give you like a reaffirming faith in humanity. If 507 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: FEMA had showed up and saved everyone in Katrina, that 508 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: would have given everybody a reaffirmed faith in like the 509 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: collective good of say, like an organized government, right, right, 510 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 2: or maybe even like a sense of patriotism. That's not 511 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 2: what's been happening, right, So that's where the breakdown is. 512 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 2: I think that Markowitz is saying is that our government's failing, 513 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: and then the presence of the Cajun Navy is just 514 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: pointing this out even worse and then worse than that 515 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: if we come to rely on essentially crowdsourced or vigilante 516 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: forms of like supportive efforts, whether it be say a 517 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: fire department, you know that just basically is a bunch 518 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: of guys who who come out on Saturday nights, but 519 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: not on Tuesday night if your house is on fire, 520 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: to say, like the Cajun Navy, who may or may 521 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 2: not make it out to the natural disaster in your 522 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: neck of the woods, Like, you just can't. You can't 523 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: rely on people. They're not These people have jobs, they 524 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 2: have families, they have stuff they have to do. They're 525 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: not getting paid for this, so you inherently can't rely 526 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: on them. Even though they are reliable people, you can't 527 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: rely on them in every situation. That's why we have 528 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: these institutions. That's why these institutions have to be, like 529 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: you said, said, shored up and step up so that 530 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: we don't need the Cajun Navy. 531 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. One of the criticisms or potential criticisms, 532 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: is that it might discourage evacuation if the storm is 533 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: impending and people knew from the news or social media 534 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: that like, hey man, you're on your roof, the Cajun 535 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: Navy will be there, toot sweet and get you out 536 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: of there with a bottle of water in their hand. 537 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people might like not follow evacuation orders 538 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: because they're relying on something that may happen, but it 539 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: may not. But you could also say the same for 540 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: the government institutions. 541 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, apparently you really, as a government spokesperson 542 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 2: shouldn't say like it's going to be worse than this 543 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: last storm or it's as bad as say this last hurricane, 544 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: because people will be like, oh, I didn't evacuate, I 545 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 2: made it to fine, you know, so yeah, you can 546 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 2: definitely misstep. That's I think getting people to evacuate it's 547 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: got to be one of the harder things you could 548 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: possibly do. 549 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Another criticism is that, you know, when you've 550 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: got people in there, all there's more people on the scene, 551 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: it could create confusion and maybe even hazardous situations, and 552 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: perhaps even a situation where you're needing to then rescue 553 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: people from the Cajun Navy who have run ashore or 554 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: whatever happened that was bad for their efforts. 555 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a rumor that's not true that some Cajun 556 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: Navy people showed up to help after her during even 557 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: Hurricane Michael and got stranded in a hotel and had 558 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: to be rescued, and they did have to write out 559 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: some of the storm in the hotel, but they didn't 560 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: need to be rescued, and they left from the hotel 561 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: to go help people. So it seems I couldn't find 562 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: any instance where somebody who was in the Cajun Navy 563 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: needed to be rescued themselves. And that seems like the 564 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: kind of thing that would have made news everywhere if 565 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: that had happened. So it seems to be like a 566 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: theoretical issue, right that hasn't happened, but could. 567 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also like, hey, we rescued ten thousand 568 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: people in Katrina, but this group of six needed some 569 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: help themselves. It's sort of a flimsy argument, you know. Yeah, 570 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: it's not like every every part of the Cajun Navy 571 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden all needs rescue as well. You know, 572 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: like maybe that kind of thing could happen, but on 573 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: a pretty small scale. 574 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: Agreed. Another one is that it just straight up encourages 575 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: vigilanteism or vigilanism. Yeah, and you know, on the one hand, 576 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: if the government institutions were there, the Cajun Navy wouldn't 577 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: necessarily be there because they wouldn't be needed. So there's 578 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: you know, there's a place for this. But on the 579 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: other hand, even if it's morally correct in an instance, 580 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: you don't you do not want to encourage vigilanism in 581 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: any form whatsoever, because that is a major facet of 582 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: mob rule, and you don't want mob rule. So even 583 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: though this is this makes a lot of sense, you 584 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: can make a really good argument that if you look 585 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: far enough down the road, it's not because how long 586 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: would it be potentially and theoretically before say a Cajun 587 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: Navy guy takes it on himself to start looking for 588 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: looters and he starts patrolling things with looters and he 589 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 2: starts shooting at looters. Yeah, this is not this guy's 590 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: place to shoot at looters, and yet he's taking it 591 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: upon himself. Like, again, this hasn't happened. It's theoretical. But 592 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: the point of is that encouraging any form of vigilantism 593 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: can have these knock on effects. That says, well, if 594 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: you're willing to let people do this. This makes sense too, 595 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: so let's start doing this as well. 596 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's sort of I could see that 597 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: happening because we've seen it happen with the strapped neighborhood 598 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: watch situation. Sure, and it's not hard to draw a 599 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: line there, So yeah, I see where you're coming from. 600 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: My big thing is like to think about the legal liabilities. 601 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how it works. When you're an official 602 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: nonprofit with multimillion dollar budgets, you're way more official. But 603 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: what if you're just one of these other sort of 604 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: startup Cajun navies and something happened where you cause the 605 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: loss of life or you cause something terrible to happen. 606 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: Like the liability, the legal liability, and the just the 607 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: sort of ethical and moral liabilities, they're pretty tremendous. 608 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think people who are like say working for 609 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: a state agency or a government agency or like the 610 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: National Guard, they are immunized from civil lawsuits for like 611 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: they if somebody gets injured while they're rescuing them, you 612 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: can't sue that person. That's not true for the Cajun Navy. 613 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: And that's actually one argument for solving a lot of 614 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: these problems is enticing them to kind of become more 615 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: part of the larger search and rescue community that responds 616 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 2: to natural disasters, to coordinate more with them. Still, yeah, 617 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: the occasion Navy, but come here and get training, Come 618 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 2: here and figure out how you can coordinate with us 619 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,959 Speaker 2: for all of us to be the most effective, and 620 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: in return, will extend this legal immunity to you when 621 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: you're in these natural disaster areas. 622 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. But then the headline as government ruins Cajun Navy. 623 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: Right, I think that's why there's some resistance to it. 624 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 2: But the I believe both the Cajun Navy Relief and 625 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: the United Cajun Navy both require their members to undergo training. Yeah, 626 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 2: like official training, I believe, and they do, like you said, 627 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: tend to coordinate with responders more than just like go 628 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: out and say the hell with you, I'm going you know. 629 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm sure as they I mean, this was 630 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: not that long ago that all this started up. I'm 631 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: sure as it grows, if it's allowed to grow, it 632 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: will become more rigorous in the training. And you know, 633 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: because they're ought to do good they want to do 634 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: good things, and they want to solve problems on the ground, 635 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: so they're not like, yeah, we don't need no training, 636 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, like, I'm sure, given time and you know, 637 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: the donation of funds coming in, they're trying to do 638 00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: just that, I imagine. 639 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: Right. So there are again I think you said most 640 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: of them are for profit, there's some that are nonprofit. 641 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: And two rise to the topic again, United Cajun Navy 642 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 2: and Cajun Navy Relief. On Charity Navigator they have eighty 643 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 2: five and an eighty seven rating, respectively, which is pretty good. 644 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 2: Charity Navigator says, you can give You can donate to 645 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: this these groups with confidence, right that they're going to 646 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 2: use your money Wisely, I didn't see on Cajun Navy Relief, 647 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 2: but I'm guessing it's the same United Cajun Navy. They're officers. 648 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: The people who run the show get zero dollars compensation. Wow, 649 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: So you don't like there's there are groups of these 650 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 2: people who are genuinely dedicated to this, who are doing 651 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: it right, then there are others who are like getting 652 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: arrested for fraud. So do your homework before you make 653 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: a donation. But if you feel moved to donate, go donate. 654 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: But just do a little bit of research first. Don't 655 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: listen to somebody on the internet who says, you know, 656 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 2: stay away from this group because this group's better. Go 657 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: do your own research and charity Navigator is usually a 658 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: pretty good place to start. Yeah, totally, you got anything else? 659 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 1: I got nothing else. This is a rare shortsh long 660 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: or exercise short. 661 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: Nice, We'll put Chuck. Yeah, since Chuck said what he 662 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 2: just said, I think it's time for listener ma'am. 663 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna for we go listener mail this week, 664 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: just because we wanted to get a quick moment. We 665 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: just got back from our first tour in a year 666 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: and a half, back out on the road doing shows 667 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: in Denver and Seattle, Washington, and San Francisco, California, and 668 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: just wanted to thank everybody at the Paramount Theater in Denver, 669 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: the Paramount in Seattle, and the Sydney Goldstein and SF 670 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: sketch Fest, who always does such a great job. I 671 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: feel like we don't often thank the people there that 672 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: put these shows on, and the crews were all great. 673 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: The people that came out to see us, thank you 674 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: so much. It's hard to part with the dollar these days, 675 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: I know, times are tight, so we really really really 676 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: means a lot that you would spend some of your 677 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: money to come out and hear us talk for a 678 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: couple of hours. 679 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and your time, and yeah, just leaving your house 680 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 2: as ordeal these days anyway. So yeah, we genuinely appreciate 681 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 2: everybody who came out and like that was really a 682 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 2: great way to get back on the road after eighteen months. 683 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 2: You know, it was a great welcome back, So thank 684 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 2: you guys. 685 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. The show is really fun 686 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: and great. And we say this also as a reminder 687 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: that we'll be doing shows in Madison, Wisconsin, Chicago, and Akron, 688 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: Ohio before hitting the road for Canada this summer, and 689 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: there's still plenty of great seats. And like I said, 690 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: it's a fun show. There's a lot of bad stuff 691 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: in the news going on, and it's nice to go 692 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: sit around for a couple of hours with a bunch 693 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: of curious, smart, compassionate people, which is the stuff you 694 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: should know, Army. 695 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 2: That's right, well, put chuck, Yeah, if you want to 696 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 2: get tickets or whatever, I think we basically have like 697 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 2: a clearinghouse on stuffishould know dot com and you just 698 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: click on the on tour tab and it will take 699 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 2: you to Heaven Yay. If you want to get in 700 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 2: touch of this in the meantime, you can send us 701 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 2: an email. 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