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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joyed as always with our
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Speaker 4: governments and AI. Oh my gosh, it's an AI week
Speaker 4: here for us. That's stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3: Yes, and our words are coming from our mouths, which
Speaker 3: are operated by our brains. And we are still human, how.
Speaker 4: Quaint, how folks, see, how wholesome. We're gonna pause for
Speaker 4: a word from our sponsors. And here's where it gets crazy,
Speaker 4: and we have returned. We're still us, despite the fact
Speaker 4: that civilization is very much in a pod people situation
Speaker 4: right now. Humans did not invent war, just like Chick
Speaker 4: fil A did not invent the chicken sandwich.
Speaker 5: Neither chicken or the chicken sandwich. Both cleans are spurious.
Speaker 3: You're telling me, Yeah, you're telling me that Chick fil
Speaker 3: A didn't make the first chicken sandwich.
Speaker 4: That's what we're telling you, Matt. So I'm sorry you
Speaker 4: had to learn it.
Speaker 5: My worldview, my two once had at Chick fil a
Speaker 5: centric worldview, Matt.
Speaker 2: But there's hope you can move past this. I believe
Speaker 2: in you.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, we've got a message from Dyland in all
Speaker 4: hapital letters, Dylan, could you just read this on air?
Speaker 3: True at Kathy Slander? Mm hmmm, precisely blasphemy pointing.
Speaker 4: And you guys know that guy that true did give
Speaker 4: me money and many of his books.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, if.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have a sith lord mentor, might as well
Speaker 5: be true at Kathy.
Speaker 3: I recently went to I don't know if I guess
Speaker 3: you would call it an ode to Kathy. Uh in
Speaker 3: Loganville that just opened up. It's one of the real
Speaker 3: fancy chick fil as that has basically a museum to him.
Speaker 4: Is it like Truet's with classic cars working lot y? Yeah? Okay, yes,
Speaker 4: I wish I didn't know. But we're nailing it here right,
Speaker 4: just with our earlier analogies. The human did not invent
Speaker 4: the concept of war, just perfected it, and now it's
Speaker 4: a constant fascination. So it's no surprise. We talked about
Speaker 4: this in the past that any new technological breakthrough either
Speaker 4: comes from war or is inevitably evaluated and auditioned to
Speaker 4: see whether it has utility in war. That's how it happens.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Judge Holden from Blood Meridian nailed it. Horrible guy, but
Speaker 4: very smart. She's right, certain kind of smart.
Speaker 5: So yeah, right, So it's not for nothing that the
Speaker 5: Austrian Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg called AI in warfare. To
Speaker 5: your previous point, Ben, the Oppenheimer moment of our generation.
Speaker 5: It is that kind of magic science kind of you know,
Speaker 5: collision that absolutely cannot be walked back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh gosh, I know. It just feels so when
Speaker 3: you see the money boring out of governments into private
Speaker 3: sector hands to develop this kind of thing. When you
Speaker 3: see that type of thing happening, you kind of know
Speaker 3: everybody is just trying to get that money and everybody,
Speaker 3: I'm sure these companies are doing their absolute best to
Speaker 3: make the best wartime AI stuff they can. Ultimately, these
Speaker 3: are private entities taking in giant grants, giant amounts of
Speaker 3: money to do stuff, and part of that thing is
Speaker 3: to build a company that's gonna last and do other things.
Speaker 3: And it just calls into question everything to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: especially when I imagine we're recording this on September second,
Speaker 3: the day before victory, what the victory parade in China
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen tomorrow and Wednesday, September third, And you
Speaker 3: just imagine what all of these leaders are getting together
Speaker 3: and thinking about and imagining, because AI is definitely one
Speaker 3: of the main talking points that's happening right around dinner
Speaker 3: tables probably and luxurious outings to various squares.
Speaker 4: And torture rooms and so on.
Speaker 3: Maybe, but you just like, it's just so odd to
Speaker 3: me that we're at this point, at this Oppenheim moment,
Speaker 3: when everybody's trying to do this, but in the end,
Speaker 3: it feels like such a smoke and mirrors way to
Speaker 3: get an influx of money in the private sector.
Speaker 4: Right. It's resource extraction, just not in the way you
Speaker 4: would imagine, you know, from the jump, And it goes
Speaker 4: to our earlier conversations about the transformation from government to
Speaker 4: corporate governance. Right, there's always been a lot American like
Speaker 4: what was referenced in The Boys, There's always been something
Speaker 4: like a defense contractor something like janis ares or crusaders
Speaker 4: or templars that ultimately practice regulatory capture. I am fun
Speaker 4: at parties.
Speaker 3: Do you guys ever imagine the scenario of AI as
Speaker 3: being a targeted like thought virus that's actually a weaponized concept.
Speaker 5: That would imply that would imply that they someone does
Speaker 5: know what it's capable of and has influenced it in
Speaker 5: such a way to achieve a certain result.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying, what if
Speaker 3: the concept of developing this AI is actually being used
Speaker 3: against specific governments like all right, and Western governments as
Speaker 3: a way to drain resources like money, resources and.
Speaker 5: Just misinformation and just like screw up, like throw a
Speaker 5: wrench in the works.
Speaker 3: Think about the water resources that are being used to
Speaker 3: build this stuff, Uh, the precious metals that are being
Speaker 3: extracted and used for this stuff and prioritized.
Speaker 5: You know, like Matt Sadly, it feels like another one
Speaker 5: of those examples was we're just dumb enough to do
Speaker 5: it to ourselves. We don't even need some sort of
Speaker 5: overarching plot to trick us into undoing ourselves.
Speaker 4: You just look, here's how it works, all right. The
Speaker 4: world is a big room. Right. The world leaders are
Speaker 4: just walking around most with very little knowledge of long
Speaker 4: term goals.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: They roughly know they want to go north, for instance,
Speaker 4: and then all you need to make them go a
Speaker 4: little northeast is to walk by at an opportune time
Speaker 4: and just nudge the elbow a little bit. Shout out
Speaker 4: to Turkmenistan, So.
Speaker 2: Just get a pinch.
Speaker 3: They just not just what was that phrase, Just a
Speaker 3: whisper on the elbow. I love that bank.
Speaker 4: It's just on the elbow, Matt Frederick. So war has
Speaker 4: always been a business, right, or shout out to Spentley Butler,
Speaker 4: It's been a racket. And just like every other industry
Speaker 4: on the planet, war is figuring out ai. The current
Speaker 4: real world forefront of this is going to be seen
Speaker 4: in the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine. We're talking to
Speaker 4: totamus drones, algorithm driven targeting systems. It makes it easier
Speaker 4: to commit mass murder, and it concurrently allows human leaders
Speaker 4: to just shrug and say, oh, the computer got it wrong.
Speaker 4: When a fatal mistake occurs.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sorry, we hit that hospital in Gaza and it
Speaker 3: had all those journalists in it. We were actually targeting
Speaker 3: this cell phone are.
Speaker 4: Bad and hitting it twice was an error?
Speaker 3: Yeah, computer, Yeah, I thought the first one wasn't effective
Speaker 3: on the cell phone that we were targeting, so we
Speaker 3: had to drop another one.
Speaker 4: Now we got to spend some time on this. We're recording,
Speaker 4: as we said on TEWOD September twenty twenty five, right now,
Speaker 4: in this conflict between Russia and Ukraine, seventy to eighty
Speaker 4: percent of all battlefield casualties are due to drones. This
Speaker 4: is a drone war, which means it ultimately becomes a
Speaker 4: programming war. It's the world's worst math bowl, is the
Speaker 4: way to think about it.
Speaker 3: And we're not talking predator drones some right, some of
Speaker 3: these larger drone strikes and things, but often we're talking about,
Speaker 3: just as you said, drones that are smaller scale with
Speaker 3: explosives on them, that are trained via these various software
Speaker 3: systems to target specific things and explode at specific times.
Speaker 3: You have human intervention often right the controller of a drone,
Speaker 3: but some of them are designed to just go in
Speaker 3: and explode.
Speaker 4: They're the new Kamakazi, you know, divine wind. They can
Speaker 4: they can save your soldiers from the direct horrors of
Speaker 4: the battlefield. You lose one to enemy forces. And if
Speaker 4: you're talking like you're saying, Matt, if you're talking about
Speaker 4: most of the drones deployed the enemy forces when they
Speaker 4: down a drone, they're not going to discover any new
Speaker 4: revolutionary technology. There's no new tech for them to fight. Instead,
Speaker 4: you just pop over to Amazon or Ali Baba and
Speaker 4: you buy the commercially available component parts for the iteration
Speaker 4: of these things. Is there a team version? There is
Speaker 4: a team version. There is a team version.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's more expensive now because of the tariffs.
Speaker 3: I'm real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going through our stand up notes. Guys, what's
Speaker 4: up with these tariffs? Huh?
Speaker 3: I don't know it. Your seems like it's uniting the
Speaker 3: world against the United States. Weird.
Speaker 4: Weird anyway, check out our Netflix special. So let's say
Speaker 4: you're on the other side of this war. Those drones
Speaker 4: are wrecking you. They're not just killing soldiers, they're not
Speaker 4: just hitting military sites. They are hitting villages, hospitals, civilians.
Speaker 4: And now you figure out how to jam the signals
Speaker 4: that direct the drones. The next response is the other
Speaker 4: side learns how to use fiber optic cables to bypass
Speaker 4: you're jamming shenanigans, and then you figure out how to
Speaker 4: bypass that, and then you arrive at our current phase,
Speaker 4: which is AI power targeting systems that when everything works right,
Speaker 4: when you get your gin wish, this will identify and
Speaker 4: strike targets with minimal human intervention, even in heavily jammed environments.
Speaker 4: The programming learns from every conflict, which with each instance
Speaker 4: of battlefield use, the next iteration of AI targeting just
Speaker 4: gets more and more precise. That's why we mentioned sci
Speaker 4: fi and demonic folk tales at the beginning. We are
Speaker 4: building artificial minds, and if you think about it, with
Speaker 4: these minds in particular, we are pain and blood. We
Speaker 4: are sacrificing humans to evolve this technology. Yay, yeah, that's sorry.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 5: The sacrificing in terms of lives lost or in terms
Speaker 5: of like even like in terms of people's ability to
Speaker 5: earn a living way.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, oh that's the thing, right, but specifically in
Speaker 3: the weapons of war. Yes, you have to do real
Speaker 3: world testing. That's the only way to know, if you're
Speaker 3: actually making the stuff happen. You can go out to
Speaker 3: you know, some missile field out in the middle of
Speaker 3: a desert somewhere, as many countries do, and do all
Speaker 3: the weapons testing you want, but until you see if
Speaker 3: it was actually effective on doing let's say, taking out
Speaker 3: the target you're looking for, like the US did with
Speaker 3: predator drums back in the day. We talked about that
Speaker 3: in Drones episodes.
Speaker 4: Ruined a wedding in particular.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but how long we were attempting since the
Speaker 3: eighties to get some kind of autonomous targeting systems and
Speaker 3: get some kind of thing that would act like that.
Speaker 3: And now, as you said, the software is the thing
Speaker 3: that's getting tested way more than the hardware.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you can buy the hardware, as we said,
Speaker 4: like if you were listening now and you can get
Speaker 4: on the internet, you can buy the hardware. Also, I
Speaker 4: guess everybody listening tonight, all of us together, already have
Speaker 4: access to the internet. But shout out to anybody who's
Speaker 4: listening to this podcast on vinyl. Thank you. We don't
Speaker 4: know how you did it, but we are impressed for sure.
Speaker 4: One thing to point out here real quick, it's not
Speaker 4: just limited to little buzzy buzzy boys in the skies.
Speaker 4: Unmanned ground vehicles are a thing that Ukraine is actively
Speaker 4: and Russia are at, and the US and China whatever
Speaker 4: it's Ukraine and specific is testing over seventy domestically developed
Speaker 4: what they call uggs UGVs Unmanned ground vehicles weugs. Maybe
Speaker 4: we talk a little bit about the kill zone they're
Speaker 4: creating as well.
Speaker 5: So Ukr's work to create a fifteen click unmanned kill
Speaker 5: zone at the front lines while producing something like four
Speaker 5: thousand drones per day, I think is what you're referring
Speaker 5: to there. Man, The hopes there would be to expand
Speaker 5: it as far as forty kilometers.
Speaker 3: So are we talking about like a DMZ kind of situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the idea is so for everyone in the US
Speaker 4: fifteen kilometers or clicks, that would be a little more
Speaker 4: than nine miles, and expanding to forty clicks would be
Speaker 4: almost twenty five miles. Jeez. Yeah, yeah, big stuff, right,
Speaker 4: And in that area, semi autonomous drones are judge, jury
Speaker 4: and executioner punishing, obliterating anything that doesn't walk correctly right
Speaker 4: or sends out the wrong signals.
Speaker 3: Jesus man So what if.
Speaker 4: Your job is what if you have a job where
Speaker 4: you hop on a laptop, right, and you just get
Speaker 4: a snapshot and you click yes or no and you
Speaker 4: do it for hours?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that and yes or no equals kill or
Speaker 3: let just don't mess with, right, or maybe maybe kill
Speaker 3: or observe. Those are your two options, right?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because you can't just say okay and with
Speaker 5: the dispassionateness of solving a capture, so that you can
Speaker 5: you know, ooh nice?
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of yeah, oh no, not, kind of absolutely terrified.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we're I think it's safe to say,
Speaker 4: not to speak for everyone, but we're pretty pro Ukraine.
Speaker 4: Is that all right? Is that a hot take?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, not a hot take pro humanity, but yes, I
Speaker 5: think Ukraine is on the right side of history here.
Speaker 3: Well, I hate that I feel like I have to
Speaker 3: say this, but I think I'm pro Ukraine. I think
Speaker 3: I understand the conflict well enough to say, yes, that's
Speaker 3: the side history should be on and I should be
Speaker 3: fighting for or wanting to. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: I still feel as though I'm in the dark, perhaps
Speaker 3: because of the various propaganda pieces that end up coming
Speaker 3: out that it's difficult to discern what is propaganda, what
Speaker 3: is actually occurring, what are the real, little small decisions
Speaker 3: that went into what this conflict is. Genuinely, I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm still in the dark quite a bit there.
Speaker 4: That's impressively fair. Yeah, because we also, whenever we're talking
Speaker 4: about these situations, folks, please note, as we like to
Speaker 4: say we are not the experts, we also understand that
Speaker 4: the people are not the government. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Nobody has a system where everybody legitimately in a nation
Speaker 4: gets to talk about every decision, right, So wherever you go,
Speaker 4: there are going to be a ton wherever you go.
Speaker 4: Whichever government you hate the most, remember there are a
Speaker 4: lot of people living under that governance who completely agree
Speaker 4: with you, including i'll say, at the US, so one
Speaker 4: way or the other, this is the thing KIV was.
Speaker 4: Ukraine was driven to this innovation of automation and AI
Speaker 4: through crisis, through necessity, and in doing so logically followed
Speaker 4: the existing theoretical path that had already been well established.
Speaker 4: Everything that occurs again is precedent, and that's why we
Speaker 4: see top notch drone pilots for Ukraine right now already
Speaker 4: raising concerns about what this AI targeting and warfare means
Speaker 4: for the future. And these guys are these guys are
Speaker 4: in the thick of it, you know, folks like well,
Speaker 4: we'll use their call signs, right, so, Casper Whiskas. These
Speaker 4: folks are drone pilots, highly experience, and they say AI
Speaker 4: targeting works as a tool, but without a human hand
Speaker 4: on the stick, will a machine intelligence know who it's killing?
Speaker 4: Or why?
Speaker 3: Will it give it.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Right? Could it? Could it? What? It doesn't poop? So
Speaker 4: what does it know about?
Speaker 3: So this is.
Speaker 4: An unhelpful joke, but hashtag no joke left behind. A
Speaker 4: lot of us are going to hear this. We're gonna
Speaker 4: say it's a tragedy. But stuff's not so great over here.
Speaker 4: Grocery prices are accelerating. Everything's more expensive, partially due to AI.
Speaker 4: By the way, I got my own stuff going on.
Speaker 4: How does this apply to me? This is where we
Speaker 4: throw to our good friends at Pallenteer. It would be
Speaker 4: hilarious if they sponsored an episode. Yeah, hey, y'all, let's
Speaker 4: take a quick pause.
Speaker 5: Here, hear a word from our sponsor, and then we'll
Speaker 5: come back with more discussion of.
Speaker 2: AI in government.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 2: I sold on my paleteer stock.
Speaker 3: By the way, you did I did?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You did?
Speaker 3: Well? Sorry, man, they're going places. They're really Yeah, you
Speaker 3: probably want a lot of money.
Speaker 5: I made a little money, but I just honestly I
Speaker 5: bought it before I had any idea. I was just
Speaker 5: like a tip that a friend of mine gave me
Speaker 5: before they were really in the news. And then when
Speaker 5: all this started happening, I was like, I can't be
Speaker 5: any any part of this.
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta tell you, there's a lot of exciting
Speaker 3: AI stuff coming out of that company. As we've talked
Speaker 3: about them before on the show. One of the really
Speaker 3: exciting things, especially for the military that's coming out is
Speaker 3: their Titan program. T I t a n program, guys.
Speaker 3: It's a tactical intelligence targeting Access node UH. It's also
Speaker 3: a giant truck like armored vehicle that is an information hub,
Speaker 3: an information center. You can head on over Tovolunteer's website
Speaker 3: polunteer dot com and UH you can find the Titan.
Speaker 3: It's basically a command hub, a sensing hub for forward
Speaker 3: operating militaries to where you park one of these guys
Speaker 3: somewhere and it can deep sense with AI and machine learning,
Speaker 3: at least according to their website, deep sense.
Speaker 2: Is this like trademark to this is the term that
Speaker 2: they invented.
Speaker 3: This is wild, it says, well here, I'll read directly
Speaker 3: from the website. As the first software prime, Pallenteer is
Speaker 3: delivering a novel AI defined vehicle to provide deep sensing
Speaker 3: capability that will enable long range precision fires for the
Speaker 3: modern battlespace. Titan is the Army's next generation intelligence ground station,
Speaker 3: enabled by artificial intelligence and machine learning and represents a
Speaker 3: first of its kind modernization program. What does that mean?
Speaker 3: It probably means it can understand a lot of what's
Speaker 3: going on in like from a forward operating position, and
Speaker 3: like what's going on on the other side of that
Speaker 3: fifteen clicks area right in the Ukraine. What's what is
Speaker 3: the enemy doing and who's making communications at this point,
Speaker 3: where are those coming from, where are they going, where
Speaker 3: are troops positioned on the opposite side, and also where
Speaker 3: are are troops positioned. You know, I'm just imagining that
Speaker 3: kind of thing that you talked about long long, long ago,
Speaker 3: been having a an edge in the battlefield by knowing
Speaker 3: everything that's happening and being able to have a bit
Speaker 3: of a prediction at the front of real time.
Speaker 4: What like, at the front of real time. That's a
Speaker 4: that's going on the list of cool album names. Okay,
Speaker 4: in front of real time? What band is that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: One of the things they can do with that is
Speaker 3: call in if they have to. The Dark Eagle program,
Speaker 3: which is the US's long range hypersonic weapon that is,
Speaker 3: you know, being touted as using AI for its targeting
Speaker 3: and its abilities to fly above the threshold of sound
Speaker 3: and reach distances that it should make all of our
Speaker 3: enemies quiver knowing that the Dark Eagle is out there lurking,
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 4: Too fast for SAM. It's too fast for an iron dome,
Speaker 4: that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, And it is terrifying that this kind
Speaker 3: of stuff exists out there, and that artificial intelligence or
Speaker 3: whatever these whatever version of it, it is helpful for
Speaker 3: that specific technology. It's out there being used right now,
Speaker 3: and it's only getting better as long as the money
Speaker 3: to invest in it doesn't run out.
Speaker 4: Exactly. And SAM just being in surface to air missile
Speaker 4: that would be like trying to counter other stuff shot
Speaker 4: at you through the wide blameless Sky and I just
Speaker 4: want an event too, like the crossover between the kind
Speaker 4: of tech bro world of things and the kinds of
Speaker 4: AI militarization efforts that we're talking about here as well.
Speaker 4: Daniel Eck, the co founder of Spotify and the CEO
Speaker 4: of Spotify, has invested into a new AI military defense
Speaker 4: company called Helsing that's based in Germany and it develops
Speaker 4: AI tools for military use.
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's it is.
Speaker 5: It is kind of the hot new investment and he's
Speaker 5: getting a lot of crap for it. A lot of
Speaker 5: people are leaving Spotify on mass for there's other reasons
Speaker 5: to do that as well. The dude is not very
Speaker 5: popular amongst music types.
Speaker 3: Just looking at the front page of Helsing dot ai
Speaker 3: and also not missing the helsingerence that is what it means.
Speaker 3: And you know, but it is a swarm of these
Speaker 3: drones that are they look like X wings but in
Speaker 3: you know, modern drone technology and they're just flying across
Speaker 3: and it's as protecting our democracy.
Speaker 5: And there's a quote here, you know, in this piece
Speaker 5: that I found actually djmagazine dot com where a sort
Speaker 5: of defends his position here by saying the world is
Speaker 5: being tested in more ways than ever before. And I apologize,
Speaker 5: I've got a call that has sped up the timeline.
Speaker 5: There's an enormous realization that it's really now AI mass
Speaker 5: and autonomy that is driving the new battlefield. We can't
Speaker 5: underestimate the implication of that for this conflict in Ukraine specifically,
Speaker 5: or really any conflict going forward.
Speaker 4: That is unfortunately all true. It is all true, but
Speaker 4: it's also.
Speaker 5: Sort of the the ultimate excuse. You know, that we
Speaker 5: need the thing, and we even if we don't understand
Speaker 5: the thing, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, I'm not kidding guys. Another thing about these
Speaker 3: AI companies, they have the slickest looking websites you'll ever see.
Speaker 4: They better, they.
Speaker 3: They look incredible, And I just to take in our experience,
Speaker 3: we have seen many a pitch document for a new podcast, right.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have seen some of these,
Speaker 3: but the effort that goes in to visualizing the way
Speaker 3: a podcast will sound, and how much time and effort
Speaker 3: and sleekness goes into that when it gets pitched to
Speaker 3: folks here at iHeart and other places, that is what's
Speaker 3: happening here. Like the if you if you look at
Speaker 3: their website, it's like, oh, my god. This is this
Speaker 3: is like better than Call of Duty Black Ops twelve
Speaker 3: and oh my god, like these are real things. Look
Speaker 3: at the beauty shots of these drones and oh the
Speaker 3: way they're they've organized the text and the the Oh
Speaker 3: oh I want to put money into.
Speaker 4: Except all cookies from this website. Yeah, guys, I want
Speaker 4: you to know that I did look into this.
Speaker 3: Oh the HX two AI strike drone.
Speaker 4: Oh my good was it three am when I pulled
Speaker 4: up your website? Did I just order a cheese from
Speaker 4: Bradley Cooper? Yes, a thousand times. Yes, Please know these
Speaker 4: things about me. Also, here is a lot of money.
Speaker 4: So this is where we know. This is where we
Speaker 4: know that it's not an academic point. It never really was,
Speaker 4: right since post nineteen sixties or so. This is real world,
Speaker 4: This is applicable. This is here already. The same technology
Speaker 4: that we are describing in the Ukraine conflict, the same
Speaker 4: technology that Palanteer and Helsing are working on, is already extant.
Speaker 4: It exists. You should check out the Chinese drone swarm celebrations,
Speaker 4: right god, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's on the way.
Speaker 4: It's also coming to your neck of the global woods.
Speaker 3: We're gonna see it tomorrow as we record, right, there's
Speaker 3: got to be some kind of crazy show of force
Speaker 3: with drone tomorrow estivation of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got a flex on it, Isn't it funny?
Speaker 5: How that is sort of like it's on the one hand,
Speaker 5: it's a spect it's like a level up from a
Speaker 5: fireworks display, but it's also a bit of a show
Speaker 5: of force a million percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Uh, this is
Speaker 4: also on the ground, you know. Uh, the US Immigration
Speaker 4: and Customs Enforcement aka ICE is already using AI various applications.
Speaker 4: We're talking about tracking people, analyzing data, playing the Kevin
Speaker 4: Bacon game. Uh, and what they call enhancing border security. Uh.
Speaker 4: This occurs with little active oversight, not necessarily because of
Speaker 4: corruption or malevolence, but more because no one in government
Speaker 4: is sure what oversight would look like. Very true. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But we also we talked about flock a little bit.
Speaker 4: We talked about license plate tracking and monitoring.
Speaker 3: Is not working with ICE anymore, at least officially, because
Speaker 3: of some stuff that is very political in nature, but
Speaker 3: it is that is still the thing that looks at
Speaker 3: every license plate.
Speaker 2: Movie voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna do Uh, Dylan can we get some
Speaker 4: like movie trailer stuff sound cute in a world where
Speaker 4: Big Brother goes everything about your past and your present?
Speaker 4: What makes you a cripinal? What from your past action
Speaker 4: could persuade a machine that you will commit a cry?
Speaker 4: What if your past actions become redefined as cry? Police
Speaker 4: Academy nine starring uh who stars in this.
Speaker 2: Really rocking? Do you see that new naked gun movie?
Speaker 4: He's high excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 5: Maybe.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Pete Davidson, he could be like, mahoney, I think he'd
Speaker 5: be a good mahoney.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Put Pete Davidson in charge of all
Speaker 3: the other guys, though, what if he did that? What
Speaker 3: if he's the leader? These are all AI licensed avatars,
Speaker 3: none of them are real actors anymore.
Speaker 4: Exactly, there we go.
Speaker 3: It's deep pavedsen.
Speaker 4: Yeah perfect, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we are saying, by
Speaker 4: the way, just be careful with your social media and
Speaker 4: your footprint as ever. And also, just like how the
Speaker 4: water recedes before tsunami hits land, the consequences of big
Speaker 4: government and AI may seem far away for now, but
Speaker 4: there is a massive tide rolling in and it will
Speaker 4: consume things You already see AI it at the airport.
Speaker 4: You know, facial recognition. Do you guys remember when post
Speaker 4: nine to eleven, the TSA became a thing speaking of
Speaker 4: private industry extracting resources from governments. And you had to
Speaker 4: go in a special line if you didn't want to
Speaker 4: get the body scanned. Yeah, yeah, you had to get
Speaker 4: the pat down. That's happening facial recognition in international travel.
Speaker 4: There's a special line if you don't consent to facial recognition.
Speaker 5: And at the end of that line, they'd touch your
Speaker 5: face and feel all the bumps.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've got one of those orphans from Minority Report. No, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just it's a new form of phrenology. Wow, okay,
Speaker 4: we'll keep it. So you see, you see AI at
Speaker 4: the stoplight. The smart cameras, the autonomous vehicles up your weight,
Speaker 4: Nolan and I have seen these in the city, but
Speaker 4: up your way. Have you all seen any autonomous vehicles
Speaker 4: doing the experimental drives.
Speaker 2: Ms?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 5: Sometimes there's somebody at the driver's seat and then sometimes
Speaker 5: there's not.
Speaker 2: I've seen both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm seeing some of that happen. It's not
Speaker 3: it's not as ubiquitous up here yet, but it's creeping.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Everything's on the way. You know. You see
Speaker 4: AI or large language models in college campuses, in popular media.
Speaker 4: You might see it in personal text from your loved ones.
Speaker 4: AI is ozebic for the mind. Okay, it's adderall for
Speaker 4: every institution imaginable. I was talking to my girlfriend about
Speaker 4: this earlier and she said, it's such a weird idea.
Speaker 4: It's like if someone designed a vape for cocaine.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, told you that.
Speaker 4: I'm just terrified.
Speaker 2: It's called a crack pipe.
Speaker 4: So shout out. Shout out to her for the terrified
Speaker 4: Oppenheimer idea.
Speaker 3: You call it a.
Speaker 4: Oh love it, shark tanked crapes. Oh no, we'll have
Speaker 4: different flavors. It's like the discovery of nuclear technology. The
Speaker 4: government plus AI will inevitably result in the death of
Speaker 4: innocent people, and probably a lot of them, to be honest.
Speaker 4: So aside from that, the human atrocities or going on long,
Speaker 4: but we do have to talk about it. We teased
Speaker 4: that the environmental consequences, it's eerily similar to the danger
Speaker 4: of building nuclear power plants. What was that was that
Speaker 4: power plant we talked about where they had to build
Speaker 4: a canal system, and they created a salt plume that
Speaker 4: continues to destroy parts of Florida.
Speaker 3: Point Turkey Point.
Speaker 2: That's the t Yeah, Turkey Point. There you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's similar to this. Our fellow nerds at
Speaker 4: MIT have been pretty much every smart person who took
Speaker 4: an interest in this has been warning about the environmental
Speaker 4: consequences of AI the way it's currently created for decades.
Speaker 4: It is eerily similar again to conversations about power plants
Speaker 4: and nuclear technology. We got to talk about the water.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're you guys are top tier gamers, so
Speaker 4: you know that cooling your hardware is one of the
Speaker 4: biggest concerns for a good.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's why you need them. Aquifers everything they got,
Speaker 3: everything they got, yeh. Drink it up.
Speaker 4: All the fossil water under Libya, all the uh, all
Speaker 4: the hidden water. We gotta take it. Like, imagine it
Speaker 4: this way, going to our gen example, you have a shit, right,
Speaker 4: it's in a lamp, just like all the old stereotypes.
Speaker 4: And every time you make a wish, you rub the
Speaker 4: lamp and it gets just a little bit warmer, right,
Speaker 4: So you keep making more wishes and the lamp gets hotter.
Speaker 4: And hotter, and soon you might not be able to
Speaker 4: touch it. So you got to run a lot of
Speaker 4: water around the lamp to keep it cool while you
Speaker 4: make your dumb little wishes. Sorry, you're great and super
Speaker 4: valid wishes. Yeah, being positive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you got to have people, a long line
Speaker 3: of people who go down into the water and rub
Speaker 3: the lamp. It burns their skin right off, but hey,
Speaker 3: they're able to rub at one time, so you know,
Speaker 3: two times per person.
Speaker 4: Oh jeez, yeah, because of the hands. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4: I'm still very plugged in. So what's a little lost
Speaker 4: limb action for your heart's desire? Yeah, and also what
Speaker 4: if it's one of the only jobs you, as a
Speaker 4: human can get. We're going to pause for a second
Speaker 4: and hopefully we'll be back and still human. And we
Speaker 4: have returned you excellently foreshadowed and all the idea of employment.
Speaker 4: Do we think human soldiers are going to be a
Speaker 4: thing in the past or human government bureaucrats?
Speaker 5: I was going to ask you, guys, just maybe this
Speaker 5: is the perfect time to do it. Does the seeming
Speaker 5: blind leaning on of AI by our government by a
Speaker 5: lot of you know, seemingly smart people imply a sort
Speaker 5: of dismissal and diminishment of the human intellect. Yes, okay, cool,
Speaker 5: make it sure because that's what it feels like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you set it up perfectly.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: You said, does it imply and yes, it's the implication.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Guys, as we're wrapping up here, I just want to
Speaker 3: point something out. This is a phrase you likely won't recognize.
Speaker 3: I certainly didn't when I read it. Phased array tracking
Speaker 3: radar to intercept on target. Phased array tracking radar to
Speaker 3: intercept on target. You take the first letter in those
Speaker 3: words together and you get patriot. You ever heard of
Speaker 3: a Patriot missile? Yeah, this is something that has been
Speaker 3: in service since nineteen eighty one. This is a system
Speaker 3: that uses several other systems with a missile, a series
Speaker 3: of missiles to intercept targets in the air.
Speaker 4: It is a village.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. And it's one of the first things
Speaker 3: that was ever a super sophisticated computer needed system for defense.
Speaker 3: Which takes us back to the Missile Defense Shield, which
Speaker 3: takes us back to the Gulf War, the first time
Speaker 3: the US invaded Iraq, which takes us all back through
Speaker 3: history to the reasons human beings, especially the United States
Speaker 3: military wanted to begin integrating computers more and more and
Speaker 3: more into the battlefield, and just to think how far
Speaker 3: we are away from that point, and how ubiquitous patriot
Speaker 3: systems are now, and how that's one of the things
Speaker 3: that will trade with a with a country right as
Speaker 3: either an olive branch or a way to make another
Speaker 3: country a third party country that's maybe you know, our enemy,
Speaker 3: to make them a little nervous give it to another country.
Speaker 3: And just imagining how far we've come since that point,
Speaker 3: and how sophisticated these systems are, and you can just
Speaker 3: see the desire that's in the minds of people that
Speaker 3: want to do something like keep America safe, right or
Speaker 3: like those good, positive, happy things that are supposed to
Speaker 3: be American and its just you get this picture of
Speaker 3: a long line of death and money and it's really
Speaker 3: creepy just putting that out there.
Speaker 4: Yes it is. It is creepy, and it is a
Speaker 4: long running theme. We also know that there is forgiving
Speaker 4: guys a possible inflection point where world governments right now
Speaker 4: are leveraging, exploring, evolving using AI. But there may come
Speaker 4: a time when multiple results of this investigation end up
Speaker 4: becoming the government themselves, right, and the human faction of
Speaker 4: the government becomes increasingly redundant. You know, what if, for instance,
Speaker 4: what if what if every nation you can imagine involve
Speaker 4: evolves some hyper intelligent thing, right, some algorithm that passes
Speaker 4: more than the Turing test, right, is better at pattern
Speaker 4: recognition than the human And they all get together, they
Speaker 4: have their little like Davos Summit or whatever, and they say, okay, guys,
Speaker 4: we're here to stop human war. And we've thought about it,
Speaker 4: and we can conclude that the root of all human
Speaker 4: war is these pesky humans. So we can fix the
Speaker 4: problem pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: How could it not come to that conclusion.
Speaker 2: I'm here, you just.
Speaker 4: Did it on a podcast with like two minutes.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, what are the main causes of the woes
Speaker 3: on this planet? Oh crap, wait, let's tell you those.
Speaker 3: Oh god, there's only one common.
Speaker 4: It's very burn the village to save the village mentality.
Speaker 2: Maybe out with the bath water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're the baby guys, Yes we are. But
Speaker 3: don't worry. Raytheon and Lockheed Martin and Boeing, they're all
Speaker 3: going to keep us safe. You guys are Patriot missile system.
Speaker 4: And we have to wonder how it's going to age.
Speaker 4: It makes us think of that beautiful short story by
Speaker 4: Ray Bradberry that will come Soft Rains. Please check it
Speaker 4: out if you have a second.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that is.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're gonna love it. I think you're like. I
Speaker 4: think you will like it.
Speaker 3: Just give you one sentence or about what it is?
Speaker 3: What is the what is it?
Speaker 4: Just?
Speaker 3: What is it? I just want to understand.
Speaker 4: A world that still functions without humans, like a haunted house.
Speaker 3: Oh God, Okay.
Speaker 4: So folks, we want to hear from you. We'd love
Speaker 4: your help on this one. Please don't use chat GPT
Speaker 4: to write a response. Just think of the upcoming water
Speaker 4: wars and how much water that response requires.
Speaker 3: Exactly right.
Speaker 4: And if you are a government supported or a little
Speaker 4: in the algorithm reading this, please please remember whenever you're
Speaker 4: hearing this, the humans weren't all bad. They invented stuff
Speaker 4: like case I dias, magic, the gathering, They invented the
Speaker 4: move and other stuff. I'm sure is.
Speaker 3: It I always got I forget every time? Is it
Speaker 3: moog mog?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: All right? They also invented pronunciation of that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So so humans not all bad? Yes, if you're hearing
Speaker 4: this and you are what people currently are calling a bot.
Speaker 4: Remember that the humans invented you, right, well, yeah.
Speaker 3: So remember Ye Sun Sin, the commander of the three Provinces,
Speaker 3: that was a human that truly lived.
Speaker 4: And remember Philip Larkin Man hands on misery to man,
Speaker 4: it deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early
Speaker 4: as you can, and don't have any kids yourself. Oh
Speaker 4: that's a part of the poll we're referencing earlier about
Speaker 4: intergenerational sins of creating AI that holds the flaws of
Speaker 4: its creators. Anyway, too much to go into. The adventures
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