WEBVTT - Governments and AI, Chapter Two: Everything Is Precedent 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:05.720 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:10.119 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.160 learn this stuff they don't want you to know. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:14.880 A production of iHeart Reading. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.040 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:30.200 my name is Noah. 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.920 They call me Ben. We're joyed as always with our 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.040 super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.440 are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.200 you to know. If you are practicing linear time, please 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.600 do check out part one of this continuing series on 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.840 governments and AI. Oh my gosh, it's an AI week 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.200 here for us. That's stuff they don't want you to know. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:00.360 Yes, and our words are coming from our mouths, which 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.680 are operated by our brains. And we are still human, how. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.760 Quaint, how folks, see, how wholesome. We're gonna pause for 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:17.880 a word from our sponsors. And here's where it gets crazy, 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:23.039 and we have returned. We're still us, despite the fact 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.400 that civilization is very much in a pod people situation 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:31.199 right now. Humans did not invent war, just like Chick 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.800 fil A did not invent the chicken sandwich. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.080 Neither chicken or the chicken sandwich. Both cleans are spurious. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.280 You're telling me, Yeah, you're telling me that Chick fil 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:42.840 A didn't make the first chicken sandwich. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.560 That's what we're telling you, Matt. So I'm sorry you 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:47.360 had to learn it. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.520 My worldview, my two once had at Chick fil a 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:52.720 centric worldview, Matt. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.640 But there's hope you can move past this. I believe 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:55.840 in you. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:56.520 Okay. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.760 Oh, yes, we've got a message from Dyland in all 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.280 hapital letters, Dylan, could you just read this on air? 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:11.040 True at Kathy Slander? Mm hmmm, precisely blasphemy pointing. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.679 And you guys know that guy that true did give 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.440 me money and many of his books. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.160 Uh yeah, if. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.280 You're gonna have a sith lord mentor, might as well 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:23.120 be true at Kathy. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.280 I recently went to I don't know if I guess 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.560 you would call it an ode to Kathy. Uh in 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.880 Loganville that just opened up. It's one of the real 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.240 fancy chick fil as that has basically a museum to him. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:42.920 Is it like Truet's with classic cars working lot y? Yeah? Okay, yes, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:48.480 I wish I didn't know. But we're nailing it here right, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.079 just with our earlier analogies. The human did not invent 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.040 the concept of war, just perfected it, and now it's 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.360 a constant fascination. So it's no surprise. We talked about 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:04.160 this in the past that any new technological breakthrough either 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:11.440 comes from war or is inevitably evaluated and auditioned to 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:16.079 see whether it has utility in war. That's how it happens. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:16.400 You know. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:22.160 Judge Holden from Blood Meridian nailed it. Horrible guy, but 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.959 very smart. She's right, certain kind of smart. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.000 So yeah, right, So it's not for nothing that the 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:31.840 Austrian Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg called AI in warfare. To 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.119 your previous point, Ben, the Oppenheimer moment of our generation. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:40.560 It is that kind of magic science kind of you know, 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.000 collision that absolutely cannot be walked back. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.920 Yeah, oh gosh, I know. It just feels so when 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.680 you see the money boring out of governments into private 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.120 sector hands to develop this kind of thing. When you 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.760 see that type of thing happening, you kind of know 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.560 everybody is just trying to get that money and everybody, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.120 I'm sure these companies are doing their absolute best to 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:11.880 make the best wartime AI stuff they can. Ultimately, these 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:16.120 are private entities taking in giant grants, giant amounts of 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.880 money to do stuff, and part of that thing is 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.400 to build a company that's gonna last and do other things. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.720 And it just calls into question everything to me. Yeah, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.600 especially when I imagine we're recording this on September second, 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:34.159 the day before victory, what the victory parade in China 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.760 that's gonna happen tomorrow and Wednesday, September third, And you 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.039 just imagine what all of these leaders are getting together 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.160 and thinking about and imagining, because AI is definitely one 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.480 of the main talking points that's happening right around dinner 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:54.240 tables probably and luxurious outings to various squares. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.000 And torture rooms and so on. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:05:01.159 Maybe, but you just like, it's just so odd to 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.159 me that we're at this point, at this Oppenheim moment, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.320 when everybody's trying to do this, but in the end, 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.960 it feels like such a smoke and mirrors way to 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.960 get an influx of money in the private sector. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.880 Right. It's resource extraction, just not in the way you 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.560 would imagine, you know, from the jump, And it goes 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.599 to our earlier conversations about the transformation from government to 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:33.080 corporate governance. Right, there's always been a lot American like 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.239 what was referenced in The Boys, There's always been something 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:43.800 like a defense contractor something like janis ares or crusaders 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:49.000 or templars that ultimately practice regulatory capture. I am fun 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:49.599 at parties. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.719 Do you guys ever imagine the scenario of AI as 0:05:53.800 --> 0:06:00.200 being a targeted like thought virus that's actually a weaponized concept. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.440 That would imply that would imply that they someone does 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.880 know what it's capable of and has influenced it in 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.880 such a way to achieve a certain result. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:13.840 I'm saying, I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying, what if 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.440 the concept of developing this AI is actually being used 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:23.440 against specific governments like all right, and Western governments as 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.880 a way to drain resources like money, resources and. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.800 Just misinformation and just like screw up, like throw a 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:31.640 wrench in the works. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.800 Think about the water resources that are being used to 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.200 build this stuff, Uh, the precious metals that are being 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.680 extracted and used for this stuff and prioritized. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.120 You know, like Matt Sadly, it feels like another one 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.560 of those examples was we're just dumb enough to do 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.000 it to ourselves. We don't even need some sort of 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.159 overarching plot to trick us into undoing ourselves. 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.760 You just look, here's how it works, all right. The 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.839 world is a big room. Right. The world leaders are 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:03.000 just walking around most with very little knowledge of long 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:03.799 term goals. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:04.320 Right. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.640 They roughly know they want to go north, for instance, 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.120 and then all you need to make them go a 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.120 little northeast is to walk by at an opportune time 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.480 and just nudge the elbow a little bit. Shout out 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.880 to Turkmenistan, So. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.000 Just get a pinch. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.640 They just not just what was that phrase, Just a 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.160 whisper on the elbow. I love that bank. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:34.400 It's just on the elbow, Matt Frederick. So war has 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.640 always been a business, right, or shout out to Spentley Butler, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.640 It's been a racket. And just like every other industry 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:45.160 on the planet, war is figuring out ai. The current 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.920 real world forefront of this is going to be seen 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.160 in the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine. We're talking to 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:59.400 totamus drones, algorithm driven targeting systems. It makes it easier 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.720 to commit mass murder, and it concurrently allows human leaders 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.160 to just shrug and say, oh, the computer got it wrong. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.240 When a fatal mistake occurs. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.040 Yeah. Sorry, we hit that hospital in Gaza and it 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.040 had all those journalists in it. We were actually targeting 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.520 this cell phone are. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.680 Bad and hitting it twice was an error? 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.920 Yeah, computer, Yeah, I thought the first one wasn't effective 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.080 on the cell phone that we were targeting, so we 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:29.080 had to drop another one. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.240 Now we got to spend some time on this. We're recording, 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:37.360 as we said on TEWOD September twenty twenty five, right now, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.000 in this conflict between Russia and Ukraine, seventy to eighty 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:47.440 percent of all battlefield casualties are due to drones. This 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.520 is a drone war, which means it ultimately becomes a 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:55.400 programming war. It's the world's worst math bowl, is the 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:56.319 way to think about it. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.880 And we're not talking predator drones some right, some of 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:03.840 these larger drone strikes and things, but often we're talking about, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.560 just as you said, drones that are smaller scale with 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.920 explosives on them, that are trained via these various software 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:17.280 systems to target specific things and explode at specific times. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.360 You have human intervention often right the controller of a drone, 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.920 but some of them are designed to just go in 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:25.960 and explode. 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:31.000 They're the new Kamakazi, you know, divine wind. They can 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.520 they can save your soldiers from the direct horrors of 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.880 the battlefield. You lose one to enemy forces. And if 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.959 you're talking like you're saying, Matt, if you're talking about 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.800 most of the drones deployed the enemy forces when they 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.000 down a drone, they're not going to discover any new 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.640 revolutionary technology. There's no new tech for them to fight. Instead, 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:56.199 you just pop over to Amazon or Ali Baba and 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.760 you buy the commercially available component parts for the iteration 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.640 of these things. Is there a team version? There is 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.199 a team version. There is a team version. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.760 Yeah, but it's more expensive now because of the tariffs. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.600 I'm real. 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.640 Yeah, we're going through our stand up notes. Guys, what's 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.440 up with these tariffs? Huh? 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.600 I don't know it. Your seems like it's uniting the 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.520 world against the United States. Weird. 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:28.120 Weird anyway, check out our Netflix special. So let's say 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.840 you're on the other side of this war. Those drones 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.679 are wrecking you. They're not just killing soldiers, they're not 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:39.640 just hitting military sites. They are hitting villages, hospitals, civilians. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.040 And now you figure out how to jam the signals 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.920 that direct the drones. The next response is the other 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.319 side learns how to use fiber optic cables to bypass 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:53.120 you're jamming shenanigans, and then you figure out how to 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.160 bypass that, and then you arrive at our current phase, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:01.720 which is AI power targeting systems that when everything works right, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.480 when you get your gin wish, this will identify and 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:13.360 strike targets with minimal human intervention, even in heavily jammed environments. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:19.360 The programming learns from every conflict, which with each instance 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:24.200 of battlefield use, the next iteration of AI targeting just 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.200 gets more and more precise. That's why we mentioned sci 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:31.240 fi and demonic folk tales at the beginning. We are 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.880 building artificial minds, and if you think about it, with 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:39.320 these minds in particular, we are pain and blood. We 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:49.760 are sacrificing humans to evolve this technology. Yay, yeah, that's sorry. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.480 It's true. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.120 The sacrificing in terms of lives lost or in terms 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.120 of like even like in terms of people's ability to 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:58.840 earn a living way. 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.840 Well, yeah, oh that's the thing, right, but specifically in 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.280 the weapons of war. Yes, you have to do real 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.079 world testing. That's the only way to know, if you're 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.400 actually making the stuff happen. You can go out to 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.800 you know, some missile field out in the middle of 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.040 a desert somewhere, as many countries do, and do all 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.959 the weapons testing you want, but until you see if 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.439 it was actually effective on doing let's say, taking out 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.240 the target you're looking for, like the US did with 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.520 predator drums back in the day. We talked about that 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.040 in Drones episodes. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.360 Ruined a wedding in particular. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.040 Well, yeah, but how long we were attempting since the 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.520 eighties to get some kind of autonomous targeting systems and 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.760 get some kind of thing that would act like that. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.600 And now, as you said, the software is the thing 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.120 that's getting tested way more than the hardware. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.960 Yeah, because you can buy the hardware, as we said, 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.200 like if you were listening now and you can get 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.760 on the internet, you can buy the hardware. Also, I 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.960 guess everybody listening tonight, all of us together, already have 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.640 access to the internet. But shout out to anybody who's 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:09.000 listening to this podcast on vinyl. Thank you. We don't 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.600 know how you did it, but we are impressed for sure. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:18.079 One thing to point out here real quick, it's not 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.000 just limited to little buzzy buzzy boys in the skies. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:26.520 Unmanned ground vehicles are a thing that Ukraine is actively 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:31.600 and Russia are at, and the US and China whatever 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:38.480 it's Ukraine and specific is testing over seventy domestically developed 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:48.319 what they call uggs UGVs Unmanned ground vehicles weugs. Maybe 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.280 we talk a little bit about the kill zone they're 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:51.160 creating as well. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:56.079 So Ukr's work to create a fifteen click unmanned kill 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.320 zone at the front lines while producing something like four 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.480 thousand drones per day, I think is what you're referring 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.680 to there. Man, The hopes there would be to expand 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.920 it as far as forty kilometers. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.200 So are we talking about like a DMZ kind of situation. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.640 Yeah, the idea is so for everyone in the US 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.840 fifteen kilometers or clicks, that would be a little more 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:27.400 than nine miles, and expanding to forty clicks would be 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.400 almost twenty five miles. Jeez. Yeah, yeah, big stuff, right, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.560 And in that area, semi autonomous drones are judge, jury 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:43.880 and executioner punishing, obliterating anything that doesn't walk correctly right 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:45.640 or sends out the wrong signals. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.600 Jesus man So what if. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.600 Your job is what if you have a job where 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:57.080 you hop on a laptop, right, and you just get 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.280 a snapshot and you click yes or no and you 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:02.640 do it for hours? 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.480 Yeah, and that and yes or no equals kill or 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:12.600 let just don't mess with, right, or maybe maybe kill 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.400 or observe. Those are your two options, right? 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.400 Oh yeah, because you can't just say okay and with 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.680 the dispassionateness of solving a capture, so that you can 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.040 you know, ooh nice? 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:29.000 Yeah, kind of yeah, oh no, not, kind of absolutely terrified. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.560 I mean, look, we're I think it's safe to say, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.800 not to speak for everyone, but we're pretty pro Ukraine. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.440 Is that all right? Is that a hot take? 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:37.400 Yeah? 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.080 No, not a hot take pro humanity, but yes, I 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.760 think Ukraine is on the right side of history here. 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.280 Well, I hate that I feel like I have to 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.520 say this, but I think I'm pro Ukraine. I think 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.000 I understand the conflict well enough to say, yes, that's 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:57.040 the side history should be on and I should be 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.400 fighting for or wanting to. But at the same time, 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.160 I still feel as though I'm in the dark, perhaps 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:09.440 because of the various propaganda pieces that end up coming 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.240 out that it's difficult to discern what is propaganda, what 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:17.320 is actually occurring, what are the real, little small decisions 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:23.560 that went into what this conflict is. Genuinely, I feel 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.480 like I'm still in the dark quite a bit there. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:30.080 That's impressively fair. Yeah, because we also, whenever we're talking 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.600 about these situations, folks, please note, as we like to 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:39.080 say we are not the experts, we also understand that 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.720 the people are not the government. You know what I mean. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:48.280 Nobody has a system where everybody legitimately in a nation 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.040 gets to talk about every decision, right, So wherever you go, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.600 there are going to be a ton wherever you go. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.040 Whichever government you hate the most, remember there are a 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:03.560 lot of people living under that governance who completely agree 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:08.920 with you, including i'll say, at the US, so one 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.280 way or the other, this is the thing KIV was. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:19.560 Ukraine was driven to this innovation of automation and AI 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:24.280 through crisis, through necessity, and in doing so logically followed 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:29.320 the existing theoretical path that had already been well established. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.639 Everything that occurs again is precedent, and that's why we 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:40.360 see top notch drone pilots for Ukraine right now already 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.840 raising concerns about what this AI targeting and warfare means 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.199 for the future. And these guys are these guys are 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.359 in the thick of it, you know, folks like well, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:58.200 we'll use their call signs, right, so, Casper Whiskas. These 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.800 folks are drone pilots, highly experience, and they say AI 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.840 targeting works as a tool, but without a human hand 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.399 on the stick, will a machine intelligence know who it's killing? 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:09.080 Or why? 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:10.520 Will it give it. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:12.480 Right? 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.800 Right? Could it? Could it? What? It doesn't poop? So 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:17.800 what does it know about? 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.560 So this is. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:26.960 An unhelpful joke, but hashtag no joke left behind. A 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.800 lot of us are going to hear this. We're gonna 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.560 say it's a tragedy. But stuff's not so great over here. 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:37.119 Grocery prices are accelerating. Everything's more expensive, partially due to AI. 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.280 By the way, I got my own stuff going on. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.479 How does this apply to me? This is where we 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.520 throw to our good friends at Pallenteer. It would be 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.760 hilarious if they sponsored an episode. Yeah, hey, y'all, let's 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:51.760 take a quick pause. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.320 Here, hear a word from our sponsor, and then we'll 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.080 come back with more discussion of. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:57.920 AI in government. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:04.399 And we're back. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:07.960 I sold on my paleteer stock. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.000 By the way, you did I did? 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:11.000 Yeah? You did? 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:16.480 Well? Sorry, man, they're going places. They're really Yeah, you 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.360 probably want a lot of money. 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:21.800 I made a little money, but I just honestly I 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.320 bought it before I had any idea. I was just 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:24.639 like a tip that a friend of mine gave me 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.600 before they were really in the news. And then when 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.840 all this started happening, I was like, I can't be 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:30.840 any any part of this. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.400 Well, I gotta tell you, there's a lot of exciting 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.840 AI stuff coming out of that company. As we've talked 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.960 about them before on the show. One of the really 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.920 exciting things, especially for the military that's coming out is 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:47.400 their Titan program. T I t a n program, guys. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:52.320 It's a tactical intelligence targeting Access node UH. It's also 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:57.400 a giant truck like armored vehicle that is an information hub, 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.040 an information center. You can head on over Tovolunteer's website 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.520 polunteer dot com and UH you can find the Titan. 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:11.520 It's basically a command hub, a sensing hub for forward 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.439 operating militaries to where you park one of these guys 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.560 somewhere and it can deep sense with AI and machine learning, 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.440 at least according to their website, deep sense. 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.199 Is this like trademark to this is the term that 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:23.840 they invented. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.080 This is wild, it says, well here, I'll read directly 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:31.760 from the website. As the first software prime, Pallenteer is 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:36.160 delivering a novel AI defined vehicle to provide deep sensing 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:40.199 capability that will enable long range precision fires for the 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:45.760 modern battlespace. Titan is the Army's next generation intelligence ground station, 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.800 enabled by artificial intelligence and machine learning and represents a 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:54.160 first of its kind modernization program. What does that mean? 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.960 It probably means it can understand a lot of what's 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:03.639 going on in like from a forward operating position, and 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.640 like what's going on on the other side of that 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:11.159 fifteen clicks area right in the Ukraine. What's what is 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:15.600 the enemy doing and who's making communications at this point, 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.000 where are those coming from, where are they going, where 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.040 are troops positioned on the opposite side, and also where 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.640 are are troops positioned. You know, I'm just imagining that 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.560 kind of thing that you talked about long long, long ago, 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:32.639 been having a an edge in the battlefield by knowing 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.480 everything that's happening and being able to have a bit 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.560 of a prediction at the front of real time. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.760 What like, at the front of real time. That's a 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.679 that's going on the list of cool album names. Okay, 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.360 in front of real time? What band is that? 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:51.080 I don't know. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:51.720 Well. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:53.840 One of the things they can do with that is 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.240 call in if they have to. The Dark Eagle program, 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.919 which is the US's long range hypersonic weapon that is, 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.200 you know, being touted as using AI for its targeting 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:10.560 and its abilities to fly above the threshold of sound 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.840 and reach distances that it should make all of our 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.119 enemies quiver knowing that the Dark Eagle is out there lurking, 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:19.520 and it's. 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:23.359 Too fast for SAM. It's too fast for an iron dome, 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:24.160 that kind of thing. 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.280 Yeah, I mean, And it is terrifying that this kind 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.439 of stuff exists out there, and that artificial intelligence or 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:34.120 whatever these whatever version of it, it is helpful for 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.679 that specific technology. It's out there being used right now, 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.600 and it's only getting better as long as the money 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:44.520 to invest in it doesn't run out. 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:49.760 Exactly. And SAM just being in surface to air missile 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:54.960 that would be like trying to counter other stuff shot 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:59.399 at you through the wide blameless Sky and I just 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.480 want an event too, like the crossover between the kind 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.280 of tech bro world of things and the kinds of 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:09.960 AI militarization efforts that we're talking about here as well. 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.640 Daniel Eck, the co founder of Spotify and the CEO 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:19.800 of Spotify, has invested into a new AI military defense 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.960 company called Helsing that's based in Germany and it develops 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:24.600 AI tools for military use. 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:25.919 So I mean, it's it is. 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.080 It is kind of the hot new investment and he's 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:29.320 getting a lot of crap for it. A lot of 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.199 people are leaving Spotify on mass for there's other reasons 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.480 to do that as well. The dude is not very 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.280 popular amongst music types. 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.440 Just looking at the front page of Helsing dot ai 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:48.000 and also not missing the helsingerence that is what it means. 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.680 And you know, but it is a swarm of these 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.600 drones that are they look like X wings but in 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.320 you know, modern drone technology and they're just flying across 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.480 and it's as protecting our democracy. 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:04.640 And there's a quote here, you know, in this piece 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:08.680 that I found actually djmagazine dot com where a sort 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.720