WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Season Ender 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:04.640 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.280 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:09.440 Cowboys. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:16.520 This is Mick shot streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.880 and the official Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:41.879 Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola. 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.800 Everson Walls mugging for the camera here as we kick 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:43.159 off the twenty twenty five season here on Mickshall. 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.159 How long do I do this? Guys? How long do I? 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.479 As long as you want your fans to see you? 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.800 Just do you have a message for your fans out there? 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.640 Yeah, look at the back of my head, it's great. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.480 All right. We are here and there are no football 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.560 players on the football field, but there were football players 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.720 in the locker room and at the start and Frisco 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.320 earlier this morning. And I'm sure Mickey Spagnola was up bright. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.520 I was bright, and early eight o'clock you had some 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:14.360 guys in there. They came in, started their exit interviews 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:19.080 and kind of filtered through the locker room. We had 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:25.600 a nice talk with Malie Cooker, I think Michael Parsons 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:31.240 at the end wave to DeMarcus Lawrence came through and 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.319 had a really good discussion with Demarvi and overshow too, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.880 he is just the best. He's got a big old 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.840 brace on his knee, he's on these big metal crutches 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.720 and as positive as ever. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:49.480 Just give me nine. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:57.480 Months the exit interviews today, So for him, how come 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.800 I'm not in stereo. I just hear myself my right ear. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.040 But other than that, yeah, I can hear you guys. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.440 So yeah, there was there was guys trickling through some 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.320 just kind of you know, shooting the ball. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:15.639 And now my understanding is it wasn't the the typical 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.640 exit interviews this year. They were doing the position coaches 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:26.920 and and the exit interviews by requests perhaps with the 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:28.640 head coach whatever and so. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.400 But not lining up, not lining up for three ninety guys. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.200 Usually it's a it's a process where and in fact, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.440 I think they already know what their assigned time is 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.120 or they sign up for a time with the head 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.160 coach Monday Tuesday, sometimes it bleeds into Wednesday. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.200 And so that's sure they did that. There wasn't this 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:50.919 long gauntlet today. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.920 Well, and the other thing that typically happens is Jerry 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.160 talks to the team in a meeting on the day 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.760 after the season and Jerry talked to the team in 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.120 the locker room after the game yesterday, right, so that 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.680 got sped up and what is normal, and that's why 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:08.160 the whole postgame scene took longer than what it normally does. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.119 Yeah, and he did a deal with the assistant coaches 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:17.840 probably for ten minutes or so, no Mike today, and 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.639 then the players for a while, and then they started 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.280 trickling in and out of the What. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.360 Time did the locker room open this morning for the 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.240 media for the media eight o'clock and players were already 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.720 in there now later. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.640 The coaches came out of their meeting in the team 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.560 room at about eight oh five, and then the players 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.800 went in and then they started trickling through. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.760 So it wasn't a long meeting at all with the 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.600 head coach, it was not. 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.400 Okay, I think we did it that way back in 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.200 the day. Did they just start doing it with this. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:54.480 Interviews for it goes back throughout the Garrett time here, right, 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.120 so at least the last ten to twelve years. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:03.440 Although back then at Valley Ranch, I think that Monday, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:08.520 when the season ended, however it ended, we weren't allowed 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.200 in the locker room. We had to do interviews out. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.200 You remember those days, Yeah, in the parking. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.440 Lot, remember that. But I also remember being in there 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:24.760 with cameras with players, trash bags up, getting that way. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.200 I just remember stopping cars kind of driving out. Somebody 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.480 were but that somebody was just wait, somebody would roll 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:33.440 down the window. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.960 That was after nineteen ninety six, I mean nineteen ninety six, Yeah, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.000 after the Michael Irvan. Probably stuff we the Michael Irv 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.560 and stuff when we there were helicopters hovering over the 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.039 parking lot in Valley Ranch. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.320 And then suddenly we had rules and live shots. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.760 We could no longer. We no longer had unlimited access. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.720 It's always small. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.799 Change we used to It was so much better. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:00.720 Uh. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.160 We used to be able to park alongside the players 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.440 in the parking lots, you know at Valley Ranch, and 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.159 we did that with the Mavericks to their practice facility 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:11.239 out in North Dallas. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:11.560 You know it. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.520 He'd be right alongside Rolando Blackman, opened up my truck 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:19.200 door and bang into his, you know, at stretching up 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:20.320 his Mercedes. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.880 At lunchtime, somebody somebody was in the locker room selling jewelry, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.120 selling suits, selling. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.719 There. You know, Can I wash your car? 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:32.080 Yes? 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.359 Yeah, and this is in the regular season now, on 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.919 a Monday after a game, I mean, we would be 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.600 out marketplace. If Troy Ateman tweaked the knee or an 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.159 ankle in a game on Sunday, we would be out 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.279 there with our mini cams, you know, at eight o'clock 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.240 in the morning to get Troy on crutches or just 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.000 limping in, and then we'd sit in the locker room 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.679 for four hours until the team meeting at one o'clock. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.599 I mean, you know that was okay, you know it 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.240 was cool, But there's a there's a there's always a 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.320 problem with everything. I recall when we had our issues 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.840 with Tom or whoever on the season or whatever. You know, 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.120 the players trying to talk like, man, you remember this 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.160 and that, and you know we're fussing about this and 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.359 being kind of caddy of course talking about somebody behind 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:16.880 their backs. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.280 And there was always Jim Dent trying to peek. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.360 Around, you know, he had his ear towards you, acting 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.680 as if you didn't see him around the corner, you know, 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.920 trying to peek in on our conversations. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.239 I thought that was a bunch of crap. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.720 Well, you should include Gary Myers in that group. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.600 Oh yeah, myus too, Yeah, myus too. He bought Well, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.599 you know what, Marius wouldn't sneak. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.760 You would just go just go right up there. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.960 You Yeah, Jim was the guy that was sneaky. 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.880 Maus, the guy just get on your freaking nerves, all 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:45.440 in your face. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.040 And then on days when we didn't have access and 0:06:48.200 --> 0:07:00.480 Jerry Orr was up in the tree. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.080 Yes, and we're trying to it's training camp. That was 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.479 a whole different thing because you got a cat just 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.240 trying to sneak out and go, you know, go to 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.040 LA and have some fun from Thousand Oaks. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.800 Yeah, it was a good stuff. It was good stuff. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.600 So anyway, they the uh and because it was just 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.880 right after the game, they still had I only saw 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.200 one or two guys with the trash bags putting stuff 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.880 in to leave because they still had their game bay 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.480 bags and they out and they were processing bags. They've 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.120 got actual No, no, these were not to take home. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.840 These were the ones they take to the state. And 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:36.520 they were taking care of the shoulder pads. Somebody was wondering, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.440 why are they pulling tape off the shoulder pads, and 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:45.280 I go, it's two way tape. So the jersey sticks 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.200 to them tight, so you can't yank the jersey get 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:50.080 away with holding. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:51.640 You have to explain that to some people. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.640 Well, they they had never been around it was a 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.400 young person, Okay, been around the team that much. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.360 You were mentoring, Yes. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.760 Doing a good I was proud of my two way tapes. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.840 Okay. So do we dive into the elephant in the 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:08.560 room now? 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.240 However you want to do it. You want to talk 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:12.880 about the game, we can talk about it. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.280 We'll talk about the let's talk about the we got. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.440 We're going to go all the way till noon. Okay, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.800 So we'll talk about the game in the next segment. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:21.840 But let's get into what we needed and what do 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:25.800 we need to know about the head coach and the 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:30.160 coaching staff and the timeline and what do you anticipate 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.960 is happening behind the scenes here at the Star as 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:34.439 we speak. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:39.200 Well, after listening, well I didn't listen. I read the 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.400 transcript Jerry Jerry. Afterwards, he had a. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.760 Couple of sessions with the media. Watch one that went 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.640 beyond twenty minutes and the other one went about twenty minutes. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.760 He went forty five minutes. Basically, they kept asking questions 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.200 and he's kept because he started off saying, Okay, let's 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.280 do this and get you know, real quick here. Forty 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.319 five minutes later, he's finally done answering questions. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.520 You know, we don't do things quick and and if you. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:13.600 Read it all, it's like, what's he talking about? I mean, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.240 you couldn't come to what and what I meant? He 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.880 said meaningful stuff, but he didn't say what everybody was 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.920 looking for. It like, well, yeah, Mike's coming back, or 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.120 he's not coming back, or I'm making the decision tomorrow. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:32.840 So there was the word soliloquy come into play. He's like, 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.800 all of his interviews turn into that. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.480 You're gonna have to sit here and see if smoke 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.480 comes walking out of the window of his office. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.360 He just pontificates, right, what it is a lot. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.160 Of that And so the only person I think that 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:54.439 really said what he wanted to do was McCarthy because 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.079 somebody pointed out to him that, you know, you've been 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:01.240 linked to other jobs, would you has he uh, well, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.160 with other openings? Okay, yeah, like you know. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.000 I mean just connect. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.360 Like no one officials. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:14.880 Yeah, where if he decided he didn't had enough and 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.920 he's just gonna you know, he becomes a coaching free 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:22.559 agent a week from Tuesday, week from tomorrow. Who has 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.160 does he have prior relationships with? And we've talked about 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.920 New Orleans he used to coach there. Mickey Loomis is 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.240 a GM we've talked about or others have talked about 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.320 Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. I mean, you know, but 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.280 Aaron Rodgers probably didn't. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.440 Yeah, you can't count that, right, so go ask Adams, right, 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.199 but you just connect the dots with whoever he's worked 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:44.679 with before. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:45.920 It's oh, that could be a landing. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.480 So his answer to the question was do you want 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.560 to still be here? And he said absolutely. He goes 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:56.880 the job's not done. I build foundations, I build teams, 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.080 and we still have work to do. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.120 What was he doing before he came to the Cowboys. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:03.760 He was. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:11.880 Doing research and practicing for a year, watching tape to 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.200 know that he would like to continue coaching, and he 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:19.160 didn't want to lose contact with the personnel in the league. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.840 With what teams were doing. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.520 Well, how many years had just one one, one, one 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:26.080 and a half? 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.959 Well, it was maybe five or six games left in 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.199 the what two thousand and eighteen season when he was 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.400 let go in Green Bay, and then he had a 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.720 group of coaches that lived in the area in Green 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.160 Bay that he had worked with previously, maybe some retired whatever. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:47.400 They would meet during the season just uh, just like 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.920 they would have coaches meetings, you know, just going over 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.320 trends in the league and what's going on week to week. 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.600 Because he was so he basically he was still hungry. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:55.120 The coach. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:02.840 Didn't have never like he's never lost the passion, and 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.520 he's got it more now than ever. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.360 I think, Yeah, I guess I asked that because I 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.200 would think that if we had to do a bill 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.960 place sales thing, that he would be more prone to 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.000 come back, you know, because you know, we're the ones 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.520 that plucked him out of retirement so to speak. 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:19.720 I would think that. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:23.280 But but with him being still hungry when we when 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:28.280 we started uh engaging with him, uh, he would still 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.959 you you're thinking, I'm asking you this, would he uh 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.120 still have that hunger to coach if he were to 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:36.840 be let. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.840 Go from he yes, no doubt, that's yeah, Yeah, yeah, 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.200 I think he would. I don't think he's ready. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:43.640 To He wasn't. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.239 He wasn't like, yeah, no, no, he's he's on fire. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.240 All right, all right, that's that's the one like that 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:50.400 and that may. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.360 Be and that may be what Jerry wants to figure out. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.800 And yeah, sitting down with him this week and watch 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.400 his plan you know, going forward. You know, I look back, 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.119 remember the whole before. 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:07.280 They also, I wonder if if the comfort zone here 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.439 would have a lot to do with him leaving, his 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.840 feeling about leaving, if he were to get I mean, 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:15.480 if he was. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.840 Uncomfortable he yeah, yeah, Oh, I think he's handled it 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:25.079 awfully well. And I think he understands better than everybody 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:30.480 else out there with this GM thing with Jerry. You know, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.280 somebody wanted today make a big deal out of when 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:38.480 Jerry said that he was unaware that Cooper Rush had 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.560 another two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bonus if he 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.800 actually played the whole game coming his way, right, And 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.480 he said, yeah, no, I wasn't aware that we were 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:53.360 going to do what we needed to do. Well, he 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.360 and I don't know how many times we have to 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.840 say this, but Will McLay and Stephen Owns take care 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.760 of the day to day business, right and then he 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.720 you know, has to sign off on whatever decisions are made. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.800 But he's not sitting there, you know, analyzing every day 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.480 how many dollars have been spent on the salary cap. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.440 He has an idea, he gets a report, right, but 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.760 he's got a lot of other things. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.720 But that doesn't mean no one in the organization. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.400 Is it just like all that if Jerry did well, 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.800 no one else well, yeah they knew about it, but 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:35.720 you know so, but people that aren't around here on 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:41.200 a daily basis just don't understand the operation. But he's 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.600 the one out front and that's the way he wants it, 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:48.360 and that's the way it's always going to be. So 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.520 so yeah, I think from a coaching standpoint, I don't 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.120 know if it's a quick decision or what I think 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.200 he knows in his mind. I think he knows. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:01.520 Okay, So switching from him to Jerry, Jerry's always got 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:02.200 He's a businessman. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.240 He's got back up playing he's a businessman. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.680 Well he should yeah, So what what do you think 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.200 his thought process would be if he were to make 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.880 a drastic move and get rid of McCarthy. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.800 Well, I'll tell you what he probably wouldn't do is 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:26.440 just hire a coordinator without head coaching, without head coaching experience, 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:32.360 I think he wants a head coach. That's why the 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.360 other day did I say it in here? Somebody asked 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.200 me who do you want? And I was like, I 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.120 want a head coach. And I said, well, well, what 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:41.640 does that mean? 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:42.480 What does that mean? 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.600 Nick Saban, Oh, you mean that, I mean a head coach. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.960 The last time, you know, he hired somebody that he 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:57.320 either wasn't totally familiar with or hadn't been here or 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.840 hadn't been a head coach was chen in the lasted 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:08.640 two years. So he'll say that that was a mistake 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.880 to get rid of him that soon. What he doesn't 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.120 point out that Chan Gaily and Troy Aikman weren't meshing 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:21.880 very well, and so you know, he had a different 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.040 idea of the offense he wanted to run and it 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.160 wasn't what Troy wanted to run. Plus he didn't he 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.880 was he was tired of Michael Irvin too, by the way, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.120 So and then Michael Irvin got hurt and that was 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.880 the end of that season because he needed Michael Irvin. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.560 I kind of wrote that, and he didn't like it 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:52.640 when he exited. Oh yeah, I wrote I wrote basically 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.800 the guy he didn't want was the guy he needed, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.880 and then he lost him that early in the season, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.840 and then they didn't have any wide receivers. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:01.120 Uh. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.840 And he was leaving. He was leaving the ranch last time, 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.639 and I was coming the other way down the breezeway 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:12.600 and I said one too many things. I said something like, uh, well, coach, 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.840 good luck. Then I had to hope you think I 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.000 treated you fairly, and he said you did until this morning. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.320 You had to make it about yourself. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.960 No, I just it just came out. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.919 You had he had the guild. It was killing although 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:32.400 you know what. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.800 I ran into him one year at the Senior Bulls 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.280 after that, and he came up and talked about me 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.639 had been together forever, and I was dreading it when 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:42.320 I saw. 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:44.200 No, no, not again. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.600 You need to take some self defense classes. That might be. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:54.040 That was That was back when coaches read what the 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.840 writers said about the teams, because they got clips every 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.000 day with all the newspaper. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.480 They still get them, I believe me. I don't know 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.879 if they read him, but they get briefed, which was 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.600 Waite Phillips down fault. He didn't he didn't pay attention 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.159 to what was going on out there, and then he 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.040 got surprised, and then his answer was, well, I don't know. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.920 Go see, asked Jerry. He's like, no, don't say that. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:26.440 So then Jerry is not looking at some analytics type 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.760 of guy to come in here. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.919 I don't look for some guy that hasn't been a 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:36.480 head coach. That's my percent. Yeah, like, oh, this is 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.240 the next hot coordinator. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.600 I gotta say, Nick Saban coming here would. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.160 Be pretty entertaining. It would be, well, what's he looking for? 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:46.800 You've played for Nick Saban? 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.840 Yeah? I did, but I didn't play for Nick Saban 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:49.640 head coaching. Yeah. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.240 Yeah, that guy Bill Belichick was. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.679 He's he's totally different from from that defensive coordinator in 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.640 Cleveland back then with Bill Belichick. No, he is totally 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.200 He has morphed into something else. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.119 Now, how different would this week be if Bill Belichick 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.800 was still out there? Oh gosh, if he didn't take 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:10.919 it to North Carolina, he. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:16.080 Did us a fall of favor. He'd be reported that 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.320 he's buying a house, right, somebody will say he's buying 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:24.879 a house in Dallas, which was happening. Was it after 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:31.320 Switzer or after Wade? No, it was before Parcels or something. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.000 Everybody was buying a house here. 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.280 So what do you think is going on behind the scenes? 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:42.320 Are there multiple meetings that take place with Jerry and McCarthy? 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.479 Is it one meeting? Okay, well, let's meet at two 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.840 o'clock Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday afternoon or whatever? What do 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.679 you what do you think the process? I think And 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.240 one of the reasons I asked this, you go back 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.119 to nineteen ninety four, March of nineteen ninety four, the 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:02.000 Jimmy and Jerry thing, and it was a week long 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:07.320 process of meetings once Jimmy became known that Jimmy wanted out, 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.720 and then they went back and forth. And you talk 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:14.520 about a media circus and getting back to the access 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.760 that we had at Valley Ranch back then, And if 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.679 we had the same media rules now that we had 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.359 back then, what we would be doing right now is 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:28.320 the media would be lined up in the hallways here 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.200 at the Star like they were at Valley Ranch. We 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.399 would be lined up sitting in the hallway between the 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.600 coach's office and Jerry's office, and anytime there was any movement, 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.640 all the video cameras would get up on their shoulders 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.480 ready to shoot. And it was a zoo where Finally, 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:50.560 Jimmy walks to Jerry's office and how many people were 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.880 in the hallway Probably there had It was a fairly 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:59.439 narrow hallway. I mean, there were fifty media members that 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.280 Jimmy had to walk to to get to Jerry's office. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.560 This was like a three day long process. Jerry got 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.879 the end of his work day one day, and the 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.040 media just this swarm. Immediate was like a courtroom where 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.119 a store where a lawyer is coming out of the 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:20.119 courtroom and cameras are backbeddled as Jerry's walking to his car, 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:20.840 I mean. 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:25.040 And there were five live cam the right side with 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:27.720 the antennas all the way up so people could know 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.280 when they passed by the ranch if something was going on, 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:32.800 because the antennas. 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.200 Will be either that or the helicopters hovering over. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.639 Guess what, And they all got it wrong. 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:40.480 That's right, And so yeah, exactly, that's the point. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.800 They said that they were coming back for another year. 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:45.879 They had called the press conference. They had called the 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:50.840 press conference, and everyone's scrambling, Okay, which is it? Is 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:55.200 he stay in or is he going? And I'd say 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.800 ninety percent of them if you were guessing, if you 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.199 were in the right side ten percent that said that 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.399 they were divorcing. You were only guessing. You didn't have 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:06.440 any source to hear. 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.439 A funny story. So I got tipped off before the 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:15.200 press conference, like half hour before it, and everybody had 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:19.080 written that they were coming back one more year. Well 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:24.760 and Lacewell had kind of brokened it, like okay, guys, 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.280