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Speaker 3: and the official Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 3: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 4: Everson Walls mugging for the camera here as we kick
Speaker 4: off the twenty twenty five season here on Mickshall.
Speaker 2: How long do I do this? Guys? How long do I?
Speaker 4: As long as you want your fans to see you?
Speaker 4: Just do you have a message for your fans out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at the back of my head, it's great.
Speaker 4: All right. We are here and there are no football
Speaker 4: players on the football field, but there were football players
Speaker 4: in the locker room and at the start and Frisco
Speaker 4: earlier this morning. And I'm sure Mickey Spagnola was up bright.
Speaker 5: I was bright, and early eight o'clock you had some
Speaker 5: guys in there. They came in, started their exit interviews
Speaker 5: and kind of filtered through the locker room. We had
Speaker 5: a nice talk with Malie Cooker, I think Michael Parsons
Speaker 5: at the end wave to DeMarcus Lawrence came through and
Speaker 5: had a really good discussion with Demarvi and overshow too,
Speaker 5: he is just the best. He's got a big old
Speaker 5: brace on his knee, he's on these big metal crutches
Speaker 5: and as positive as ever.
Speaker 2: Just give me nine.
Speaker 5: Months the exit interviews today, So for him, how come
Speaker 5: I'm not in stereo. I just hear myself my right ear.
Speaker 5: But other than that, yeah, I can hear you guys.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there was there was guys trickling through some
Speaker 5: just kind of you know, shooting the ball.
Speaker 4: And now my understanding is it wasn't the the typical
Speaker 4: exit interviews this year. They were doing the position coaches
Speaker 4: and and the exit interviews by requests perhaps with the
Speaker 4: head coach whatever and so.
Speaker 5: But not lining up, not lining up for three ninety guys.
Speaker 4: Usually it's a it's a process where and in fact,
Speaker 4: I think they already know what their assigned time is
Speaker 4: or they sign up for a time with the head
Speaker 4: coach Monday Tuesday, sometimes it bleeds into Wednesday.
Speaker 5: And so that's sure they did that. There wasn't this
Speaker 5: long gauntlet today.
Speaker 4: Well, and the other thing that typically happens is Jerry
Speaker 4: talks to the team in a meeting on the day
Speaker 4: after the season and Jerry talked to the team in
Speaker 4: the locker room after the game yesterday, right, so that
Speaker 4: got sped up and what is normal, and that's why
Speaker 4: the whole postgame scene took longer than what it normally does.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he did a deal with the assistant coaches
Speaker 5: probably for ten minutes or so, no Mike today, and
Speaker 5: then the players for a while, and then they started
Speaker 5: trickling in and out of the What.
Speaker 4: Time did the locker room open this morning for the
Speaker 4: media for the media eight o'clock and players were already
Speaker 4: in there now later.
Speaker 5: The coaches came out of their meeting in the team
Speaker 5: room at about eight oh five, and then the players
Speaker 5: went in and then they started trickling through.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't a long meeting at all with the
Speaker 4: head coach, it was not.
Speaker 6: Okay, I think we did it that way back in
Speaker 6: the day. Did they just start doing it with this.
Speaker 4: Interviews for it goes back throughout the Garrett time here, right,
Speaker 4: so at least the last ten to twelve years.
Speaker 5: Although back then at Valley Ranch, I think that Monday,
Speaker 5: when the season ended, however it ended, we weren't allowed
Speaker 5: in the locker room. We had to do interviews out.
Speaker 5: You remember those days, Yeah, in the parking.
Speaker 4: Lot, remember that. But I also remember being in there
Speaker 4: with cameras with players, trash bags up, getting that way.
Speaker 5: I just remember stopping cars kind of driving out. Somebody
Speaker 5: were but that somebody was just wait, somebody would roll
Speaker 5: down the window.
Speaker 4: That was after nineteen ninety six, I mean nineteen ninety six, Yeah,
Speaker 4: after the Michael Irvan. Probably stuff we the Michael Irv
Speaker 4: and stuff when we there were helicopters hovering over the
Speaker 4: parking lot in Valley Ranch.
Speaker 5: And then suddenly we had rules and live shots.
Speaker 4: We could no longer. We no longer had unlimited access.
Speaker 2: It's always small.
Speaker 4: Change we used to It was so much better.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: We used to be able to park alongside the players
Speaker 4: in the parking lots, you know at Valley Ranch, and
Speaker 4: we did that with the Mavericks to their practice facility
Speaker 4: out in North Dallas.
Speaker 2: You know it.
Speaker 4: He'd be right alongside Rolando Blackman, opened up my truck
Speaker 4: door and bang into his, you know, at stretching up
Speaker 4: his Mercedes.
Speaker 5: At lunchtime, somebody somebody was in the locker room selling jewelry,
Speaker 5: selling suits, selling.
Speaker 2: There. You know, Can I wash your car?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is in the regular season now, on
Speaker 4: a Monday after a game, I mean, we would be
Speaker 4: out marketplace. If Troy Ateman tweaked the knee or an
Speaker 4: ankle in a game on Sunday, we would be out
Speaker 4: there with our mini cams, you know, at eight o'clock
Speaker 4: in the morning to get Troy on crutches or just
Speaker 4: limping in, and then we'd sit in the locker room
Speaker 4: for four hours until the team meeting at one o'clock.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know that was okay, you know it
Speaker 6: was cool, But there's a there's a there's always a
Speaker 6: problem with everything. I recall when we had our issues
Speaker 6: with Tom or whoever on the season or whatever. You know,
Speaker 6: the players trying to talk like, man, you remember this
Speaker 6: and that, and you know we're fussing about this and
Speaker 6: being kind of caddy of course talking about somebody behind
Speaker 6: their backs.
Speaker 2: And there was always Jim Dent trying to peek.
Speaker 6: Around, you know, he had his ear towards you, acting
Speaker 6: as if you didn't see him around the corner, you know,
Speaker 6: trying to peek in on our conversations.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a bunch of crap.
Speaker 5: Well, you should include Gary Myers in that group.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, myus too, Yeah, myus too. He bought Well,
Speaker 2: you know what, Marius wouldn't sneak.
Speaker 5: You would just go just go right up there.
Speaker 4: You Yeah, Jim was the guy that was sneaky.
Speaker 2: Maus, the guy just get on your freaking nerves, all
Speaker 2: in your face.
Speaker 4: And then on days when we didn't have access and
Speaker 4: Jerry Orr was up in the tree.
Speaker 6: Yes, and we're trying to it's training camp. That was
Speaker 6: a whole different thing because you got a cat just
Speaker 6: trying to sneak out and go, you know, go to
Speaker 6: LA and have some fun from Thousand Oaks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good stuff. It was good stuff.
Speaker 5: So anyway, they the uh and because it was just
Speaker 5: right after the game, they still had I only saw
Speaker 5: one or two guys with the trash bags putting stuff
Speaker 5: in to leave because they still had their game bay
Speaker 5: bags and they out and they were processing bags. They've
Speaker 5: got actual No, no, these were not to take home.
Speaker 5: These were the ones they take to the state. And
Speaker 5: they were taking care of the shoulder pads. Somebody was wondering,
Speaker 5: why are they pulling tape off the shoulder pads, and
Speaker 5: I go, it's two way tape. So the jersey sticks
Speaker 5: to them tight, so you can't yank the jersey get
Speaker 5: away with holding.
Speaker 2: You have to explain that to some people.
Speaker 5: Well, they they had never been around it was a
Speaker 5: young person, Okay, been around the team that much.
Speaker 2: You were mentoring, Yes.
Speaker 5: Doing a good I was proud of my two way tapes.
Speaker 4: Okay. So do we dive into the elephant in the
Speaker 4: room now?
Speaker 5: However you want to do it. You want to talk
Speaker 5: about the game, we can talk about it.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about the let's talk about the we got.
Speaker 4: We're going to go all the way till noon. Okay,
Speaker 4: So we'll talk about the game in the next segment.
Speaker 4: But let's get into what we needed and what do
Speaker 4: we need to know about the head coach and the
Speaker 4: coaching staff and the timeline and what do you anticipate
Speaker 4: is happening behind the scenes here at the Star as
Speaker 4: we speak.
Speaker 5: Well, after listening, well I didn't listen. I read the
Speaker 5: transcript Jerry Jerry. Afterwards, he had a.
Speaker 4: Couple of sessions with the media. Watch one that went
Speaker 4: beyond twenty minutes and the other one went about twenty minutes.
Speaker 5: He went forty five minutes. Basically, they kept asking questions
Speaker 5: and he's kept because he started off saying, Okay, let's
Speaker 5: do this and get you know, real quick here. Forty
Speaker 5: five minutes later, he's finally done answering questions.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't do things quick and and if you.
Speaker 5: Read it all, it's like, what's he talking about? I mean,
Speaker 5: you couldn't come to what and what I meant? He
Speaker 5: said meaningful stuff, but he didn't say what everybody was
Speaker 5: looking for. It like, well, yeah, Mike's coming back, or
Speaker 5: he's not coming back, or I'm making the decision tomorrow.
Speaker 6: So there was the word soliloquy come into play. He's like,
Speaker 6: all of his interviews turn into that.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to sit here and see if smoke
Speaker 5: comes walking out of the window of his office.
Speaker 2: He just pontificates, right, what it is a lot.
Speaker 5: Of that And so the only person I think that
Speaker 5: really said what he wanted to do was McCarthy because
Speaker 5: somebody pointed out to him that, you know, you've been
Speaker 5: linked to other jobs, would you has he uh, well,
Speaker 5: with other openings? Okay, yeah, like you know.
Speaker 4: I mean just connect.
Speaker 2: Like no one officials.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where if he decided he didn't had enough and
Speaker 4: he's just gonna you know, he becomes a coaching free
Speaker 4: agent a week from Tuesday, week from tomorrow. Who has
Speaker 4: does he have prior relationships with? And we've talked about
Speaker 4: New Orleans he used to coach there. Mickey Loomis is
Speaker 4: a GM we've talked about or others have talked about
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. I mean, you know, but
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers probably didn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't count that, right, so go ask Adams, right,
Speaker 5: but you just connect the dots with whoever he's worked
Speaker 5: with before.
Speaker 4: It's oh, that could be a landing.
Speaker 5: So his answer to the question was do you want
Speaker 5: to still be here? And he said absolutely. He goes
Speaker 5: the job's not done. I build foundations, I build teams,
Speaker 5: and we still have work to do.
Speaker 2: What was he doing before he came to the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 5: Doing research and practicing for a year, watching tape to
Speaker 5: know that he would like to continue coaching, and he
Speaker 5: didn't want to lose contact with the personnel in the league.
Speaker 5: With what teams were doing.
Speaker 7: Well, how many years had just one one, one, one
Speaker 7: and a half?
Speaker 4: Well, it was maybe five or six games left in
Speaker 4: the what two thousand and eighteen season when he was
Speaker 4: let go in Green Bay, and then he had a
Speaker 4: group of coaches that lived in the area in Green
Speaker 4: Bay that he had worked with previously, maybe some retired whatever.
Speaker 4: They would meet during the season just uh, just like
Speaker 4: they would have coaches meetings, you know, just going over
Speaker 4: trends in the league and what's going on week to week.
Speaker 2: Because he was so he basically he was still hungry.
Speaker 5: The coach.
Speaker 4: Didn't have never like he's never lost the passion, and
Speaker 4: he's got it more now than ever.
Speaker 6: I think, Yeah, I guess I asked that because I
Speaker 6: would think that if we had to do a bill
Speaker 6: place sales thing, that he would be more prone to
Speaker 6: come back, you know, because you know, we're the ones
Speaker 6: that plucked him out of retirement so to speak.
Speaker 2: I would think that.
Speaker 6: But but with him being still hungry when we when
Speaker 6: we started uh engaging with him, uh, he would still
Speaker 6: you you're thinking, I'm asking you this, would he uh
Speaker 6: still have that hunger to coach if he were to
Speaker 6: be let.
Speaker 5: Go from he yes, no doubt, that's yeah, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think he would. I don't think he's ready.
Speaker 2: To He wasn't.
Speaker 4: He wasn't like, yeah, no, no, he's he's on fire.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, that's that's the one like that
Speaker 2: and that may.
Speaker 4: Be and that may be what Jerry wants to figure out.
Speaker 4: And yeah, sitting down with him this week and watch
Speaker 4: his plan you know, going forward. You know, I look back,
Speaker 4: remember the whole before.
Speaker 6: They also, I wonder if if the comfort zone here
Speaker 6: would have a lot to do with him leaving, his
Speaker 6: feeling about leaving, if he were to get I mean,
Speaker 6: if he was.
Speaker 5: Uncomfortable he yeah, yeah, Oh, I think he's handled it
Speaker 5: awfully well. And I think he understands better than everybody
Speaker 5: else out there with this GM thing with Jerry. You know,
Speaker 5: somebody wanted today make a big deal out of when
Speaker 5: Jerry said that he was unaware that Cooper Rush had
Speaker 5: another two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bonus if he
Speaker 5: actually played the whole game coming his way, right, And
Speaker 5: he said, yeah, no, I wasn't aware that we were
Speaker 5: going to do what we needed to do. Well, he
Speaker 5: and I don't know how many times we have to
Speaker 5: say this, but Will McLay and Stephen Owns take care
Speaker 5: of the day to day business, right and then he
Speaker 5: you know, has to sign off on whatever decisions are made.
Speaker 5: But he's not sitting there, you know, analyzing every day
Speaker 5: how many dollars have been spent on the salary cap.
Speaker 5: He has an idea, he gets a report, right, but
Speaker 5: he's got a lot of other things.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean no one in the organization.
Speaker 5: Is it just like all that if Jerry did well,
Speaker 5: no one else well, yeah they knew about it, but
Speaker 5: you know so, but people that aren't around here on
Speaker 5: a daily basis just don't understand the operation. But he's
Speaker 5: the one out front and that's the way he wants it,
Speaker 5: and that's the way it's always going to be. So
Speaker 5: so yeah, I think from a coaching standpoint, I don't
Speaker 5: know if it's a quick decision or what I think
Speaker 5: he knows in his mind. I think he knows.
Speaker 6: Okay, So switching from him to Jerry, Jerry's always got
Speaker 6: He's a businessman.
Speaker 2: He's got back up playing he's a businessman.
Speaker 6: Well he should yeah, So what what do you think
Speaker 6: his thought process would be if he were to make
Speaker 6: a drastic move and get rid of McCarthy.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what he probably wouldn't do is
Speaker 5: just hire a coordinator without head coaching, without head coaching experience,
Speaker 5: I think he wants a head coach. That's why the
Speaker 5: other day did I say it in here? Somebody asked
Speaker 5: me who do you want? And I was like, I
Speaker 5: want a head coach. And I said, well, well, what
Speaker 5: does that mean?
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 5: Nick Saban, Oh, you mean that, I mean a head coach.
Speaker 5: The last time, you know, he hired somebody that he
Speaker 5: either wasn't totally familiar with or hadn't been here or
Speaker 5: hadn't been a head coach was chen in the lasted
Speaker 5: two years. So he'll say that that was a mistake
Speaker 5: to get rid of him that soon. What he doesn't
Speaker 5: point out that Chan Gaily and Troy Aikman weren't meshing
Speaker 5: very well, and so you know, he had a different
Speaker 5: idea of the offense he wanted to run and it
Speaker 5: wasn't what Troy wanted to run. Plus he didn't he
Speaker 5: was he was tired of Michael Irvin too, by the way,
Speaker 5: So and then Michael Irvin got hurt and that was
Speaker 5: the end of that season because he needed Michael Irvin.
Speaker 5: I kind of wrote that, and he didn't like it
Speaker 5: when he exited. Oh yeah, I wrote I wrote basically
Speaker 5: the guy he didn't want was the guy he needed,
Speaker 5: and then he lost him that early in the season,
Speaker 5: and then they didn't have any wide receivers.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And he was leaving. He was leaving the ranch last time,
Speaker 5: and I was coming the other way down the breezeway
Speaker 5: and I said one too many things. I said something like, uh, well, coach,
Speaker 5: good luck. Then I had to hope you think I
Speaker 5: treated you fairly, and he said you did until this morning.
Speaker 2: You had to make it about yourself.
Speaker 4: No, I just it just came out.
Speaker 2: You had he had the guild. It was killing although
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 5: I ran into him one year at the Senior Bulls
Speaker 5: after that, and he came up and talked about me
Speaker 5: had been together forever, and I was dreading it when
Speaker 5: I saw.
Speaker 8: No, no, not again.
Speaker 2: You need to take some self defense classes. That might be.
Speaker 4: That was That was back when coaches read what the
Speaker 4: writers said about the teams, because they got clips every
Speaker 4: day with all the newspaper.
Speaker 5: They still get them, I believe me. I don't know
Speaker 5: if they read him, but they get briefed, which was
Speaker 5: Waite Phillips down fault. He didn't he didn't pay attention
Speaker 5: to what was going on out there, and then he
Speaker 5: got surprised, and then his answer was, well, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Go see, asked Jerry. He's like, no, don't say that.
Speaker 6: So then Jerry is not looking at some analytics type
Speaker 6: of guy to come in here.
Speaker 5: I don't look for some guy that hasn't been a
Speaker 5: head coach. That's my percent. Yeah, like, oh, this is
Speaker 5: the next hot coordinator.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, Nick Saban coming here would.
Speaker 5: Be pretty entertaining. It would be, well, what's he looking for?
Speaker 4: You've played for Nick Saban?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did, but I didn't play for Nick Saban
Speaker 2: head coaching. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that guy Bill Belichick was.
Speaker 6: He's he's totally different from from that defensive coordinator in
Speaker 6: Cleveland back then with Bill Belichick. No, he is totally
Speaker 6: He has morphed into something else.
Speaker 4: Now, how different would this week be if Bill Belichick
Speaker 4: was still out there? Oh gosh, if he didn't take
Speaker 4: it to North Carolina, he.
Speaker 5: Did us a fall of favor. He'd be reported that
Speaker 5: he's buying a house, right, somebody will say he's buying
Speaker 5: a house in Dallas, which was happening. Was it after
Speaker 5: Switzer or after Wade? No, it was before Parcels or something.
Speaker 5: Everybody was buying a house here.
Speaker 4: So what do you think is going on behind the scenes?
Speaker 4: Are there multiple meetings that take place with Jerry and McCarthy?
Speaker 4: Is it one meeting? Okay, well, let's meet at two
Speaker 4: o'clock Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday afternoon or whatever? What do
Speaker 4: you what do you think the process? I think And
Speaker 4: one of the reasons I asked this, you go back
Speaker 4: to nineteen ninety four, March of nineteen ninety four, the
Speaker 4: Jimmy and Jerry thing, and it was a week long
Speaker 4: process of meetings once Jimmy became known that Jimmy wanted out,
Speaker 4: and then they went back and forth. And you talk
Speaker 4: about a media circus and getting back to the access
Speaker 4: that we had at Valley Ranch back then, And if
Speaker 4: we had the same media rules now that we had
Speaker 4: back then, what we would be doing right now is
Speaker 4: the media would be lined up in the hallways here
Speaker 4: at the Star like they were at Valley Ranch. We
Speaker 4: would be lined up sitting in the hallway between the
Speaker 4: coach's office and Jerry's office, and anytime there was any movement,
Speaker 4: all the video cameras would get up on their shoulders
Speaker 4: ready to shoot. And it was a zoo where Finally,
Speaker 4: Jimmy walks to Jerry's office and how many people were
Speaker 4: in the hallway Probably there had It was a fairly
Speaker 4: narrow hallway. I mean, there were fifty media members that
Speaker 4: Jimmy had to walk to to get to Jerry's office.
Speaker 4: This was like a three day long process. Jerry got
Speaker 4: the end of his work day one day, and the
Speaker 4: media just this swarm. Immediate was like a courtroom where
Speaker 4: a store where a lawyer is coming out of the
Speaker 4: courtroom and cameras are backbeddled as Jerry's walking to his car,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: And there were five live cam the right side with
Speaker 5: the antennas all the way up so people could know
Speaker 5: when they passed by the ranch if something was going on,
Speaker 5: because the antennas.
Speaker 4: Will be either that or the helicopters hovering over.
Speaker 5: Guess what, And they all got it wrong.
Speaker 4: That's right, And so yeah, exactly, that's the point.
Speaker 5: They said that they were coming back for another year.
Speaker 4: They had called the press conference. They had called the
Speaker 4: press conference, and everyone's scrambling, Okay, which is it? Is
Speaker 4: he stay in or is he going? And I'd say
Speaker 4: ninety percent of them if you were guessing, if you
Speaker 4: were in the right side ten percent that said that
Speaker 4: they were divorcing. You were only guessing. You didn't have
Speaker 4: any source to hear.
Speaker 5: A funny story. So I got tipped off before the
Speaker 5: press conference, like half hour before it, and everybody had
Speaker 5: written that they were coming back one more year. Well
Speaker 5: and Lacewell had kind of brokened it, like okay, guys,
Speaker 5: but's you know, And so they thought they had it brokeered.
Speaker 5: And then I found out that they're going to have
Speaker 5: a press conference in Jimmy's leaving. And it was my
Speaker 5: first day at the ticket and they had the little
Speaker 5: hookup in my office. We had those little three offices
Speaker 5: right there by the door the player's entrance, and they
Speaker 5: were going on and on and on, and I was
Speaker 5: ready to do my first report and it's like, I
Speaker 5: need to get on this thing is starting at noon.
Speaker 5: I need to let you know what I know. And
Speaker 5: they finally let me have the microphone and I said it,
Speaker 5: and everybody was like, are you kidding me? I go,
Speaker 5: this is my first day on the job. Do you
Speaker 5: think I would hang myself on something I don't have
Speaker 5: confidence in?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: And so Hanson Dale Hanson Channel eight had to go
Speaker 5: do a live shot and and he comes and he goes,
Speaker 5: are you sure. I go, yeah, I'm pretty sure. He goes,
Speaker 5: are you sure, because I'm gonna go with it. I said, well,
Speaker 5: you give me credit and go ahead and go with it.
Speaker 5: So he did. So Jerry starts the press conference, and
Speaker 5: you know him, he doesn't just come out and say
Speaker 5: it right. He goes on and on.
Speaker 4: And on, and I'm.
Speaker 9: Jimmy is at the press and I'm sitting there die
Speaker 9: and a thousands of debts right and Dale is in
Speaker 9: the back of the team meeting room up there and
Speaker 9: he's going.
Speaker 5: Like, get to it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was like and he finally said it, and I
Speaker 5: was like, oh God, thank god. But because it was
Speaker 5: against what everybody had recorded, write all the headlines in
Speaker 5: the paper and was coming back and uh yeah it was.
Speaker 4: It was a scary scary I got one on that
Speaker 4: it was when Wade Phillips was let go. I had it.
Speaker 4: I knew that it had been told to the coaches,
Speaker 4: and so we went with it. And but until it
Speaker 4: became official, I was as nervous as I've ever been
Speaker 4: in my career because you don't know whether or not.
Speaker 4: I mean, he could change his mind. You know, you
Speaker 4: don't know for sure that it's there, and so you know,
Speaker 4: I was working with Babeloffenbergh. Baby you heard anything, No,
Speaker 4: I haven't heard anything. Well, I know that this is true,
Speaker 4: that it's happened, but I there's also possibility he could
Speaker 4: change his by it.
Speaker 2: You didn't have the confidence went with it.
Speaker 4: We went with just like Mickey I was. Everybody else
Speaker 4: is reporting faith. But well you had enough sources that
Speaker 4: that and he didn't change his mind on that. That
Speaker 4: was middle of the season.
Speaker 5: He already h oh middle of the season when they
Speaker 5: let him go, not.
Speaker 4: Who they were going to hire middle of the season.
Speaker 5: Because when they hired him that that was a long process,
Speaker 5: by the way, I think it lasted maybe to after
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl, if I remember, because they had already
Speaker 5: hired Jason Garrett as the offensive coordinator, but they hadn't
Speaker 5: hired the head coach.
Speaker 2: How do you do that?
Speaker 5: Because he had a deadline at Miami, Jason did. The
Speaker 5: owner said, you can talk to him, and if you
Speaker 5: hire him, you got to hire him not as a
Speaker 5: quarterback coach, as a coordinator. And you have until this
Speaker 5: day and inside because I think that happened Saban left
Speaker 5: to go to l s U. Right, he was one year.
Speaker 5: He went down Alabama before that, Yeah, that's right, l
Speaker 5: l L. Then before oh that was long cut. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And so that was the deadline. So they had to
Speaker 5: if they were going to hire Jason, they needed to
Speaker 5: do it. They couldn't drag their feet. Funny story about.
Speaker 2: You got a bunch of stories.
Speaker 5: When he was the quarterback coach. It was his first
Speaker 5: year full time coaching, I believe, and it was training
Speaker 5: camp and the Hall of Fame game was being played
Speaker 5: that weekend. They had practice like on Saturday, and uh, Jason,
Speaker 5: Jason wanted to go to Troy's induction and he was
Speaker 5: scared to death to go. Ask Saban if he can
Speaker 5: you leave on Friday be back on Sunday? Right, So
Speaker 5: he finally worked up enough nerve to say, hey, you
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Speaker 5: He and his wife Anne were on the sideline.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was crust just Oh my.
Speaker 6: I was up I was upstairs, you know, we were
Speaker 6: in the in the suite, and I heard the ladies.
Speaker 2: Talking about him.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Bob Lila was down there, And I said, uh, so,
Speaker 6: you guys think about Bob liloo.
Speaker 2: Oh he's handsome.
Speaker 5: You know what, he's probably still is to death.
Speaker 4: He Bob Lily is eighty five years young.
Speaker 5: Five.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: They probably probably thinks he's eighty two, but no, he's Bob.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how, you know.
Speaker 4: We have to educate so many people on who mister
Speaker 4: cowboy is and just how great Bob Lily was as
Speaker 4: a player. Eleven time Pro bowler, a member of the
Speaker 4: nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies All Decade teams, seven time
Speaker 4: First Team All Pro, NFL one hundredth anniversary All Time Team.
Speaker 4: And if you're talking about the greatest Dallas Cowboys of
Speaker 4: all time, it doesn't take long to call Roll before
Speaker 4: you come to the name Bob Lilli.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, you know, how you get older
Speaker 5: and you how to maybe shrink or shrivel up. He's
Speaker 5: still this big, cool, larger life right.
Speaker 4: Six five, two hundred and sixty pounds was his playing.
Speaker 5: Well, I bet he's six five to twenty five.
Speaker 6: You know, he reminds me of rifle Man. I'll just
Speaker 6: be tall. You know, he's got the got the walk.
Speaker 6: You know, I can just see him with that big
Speaker 6: cowboy had on rifle Man.
Speaker 5: So we should talk about what we did this weekend.
Speaker 2: Cool cool.
Speaker 5: Bill Bates uh was in town for to be the
Speaker 5: Legend of the game. So you know how they have
Speaker 5: a former player sitting up in a suite and they
Speaker 5: show him and they got his picture and they're the
Speaker 5: legend of the game. Well, they Bill Bates in and
Speaker 5: here's the picture from Saturday that Everson got on his
Speaker 5: phone of the group of us, and you can see
Speaker 5: John Geesick to the left, Steve Berline, my hero Dale, Hellistra,
Speaker 5: Michael Irvin, Chad Hennings, Everson, Ed Werder, myself, Bradsham, and
Speaker 5: Bill Bates. And I think what everybody needs to understand
Speaker 5: is Bill has had health problems for the last I
Speaker 5: don't know four five years. Oh ct is at how
Speaker 5: we describe it, and.
Speaker 10: He was.
Speaker 5: From the time I met him two years ago to
Speaker 5: this weekend, it seemed like he was more aware, he
Speaker 5: was more touchy feely. Was he understood everything. Yes, he
Speaker 5: can't verbalize greatly, but you know what, when you hug him,
Speaker 5: he would.
Speaker 4: Say, it's good to see you.
Speaker 5: Yes, And it was I think. I told Everson this.
Speaker 5: I said, I don't think I've ever grinned from ear
Speaker 5: to ear and shed tears at the same tight because
Speaker 5: we were close to Bill right even afterwards, the things
Speaker 5: he did. He would always be available.
Speaker 4: For interviews gets back to when we had access in
Speaker 4: the locker room all the time. We actually got to
Speaker 4: know the players and they got to know us.
Speaker 5: So the cool thing. And I told Charlotte this because
Speaker 5: I found out how it all came to being. Steve
Speaker 5: Burlin went to her and said, hey, you should do
Speaker 5: this for Bill. They decided that they were going to
Speaker 5: fly the entire family from where Bill and part of
Speaker 5: them came from, austra Okay, and not send America. No,
Speaker 5: they sent Jerry's Lane times to Australia. Well, one group
Speaker 5: was one of the kids was living in Australia right.
Speaker 5: But when they took the picture at the game. I
Speaker 5: swear I started counting the kids, their wives, the grandkids.
Speaker 5: There must have been like twenty at least twenty people.
Speaker 4: Right, he's got five kids, kids, triplets.
Speaker 6: Triplets, and he's got twin grandsons.
Speaker 5: Wow, and they got grandsons and there's a three I
Speaker 5: think there was three or four granddaughters. Okay, and Denise
Speaker 5: his wife all this time. They met at Tennessee, got
Speaker 5: married when they got here. She is an absolute saint,
Speaker 5: is taking care of him. She's got to go everywhere
Speaker 5: he goes. And uh, when I saw Charlotte and come
Speaker 5: down to the sideline and they hugged, and she's starting
Speaker 5: to cry, and I'm going, okay, I'm going to start right.
Speaker 5: But I told her, I said, you guys have gone
Speaker 5: a lot of things that people don't understand what you do,
Speaker 5: but this one here might be the best.
Speaker 6: That's you know me, I'm always talking trash about Jerry.
Speaker 6: You know, it's no big deal, but this is good stuff.
Speaker 6: He did not have to do this, and I'm glad
Speaker 6: you brought this up because you know, even a broken
Speaker 6: clock is right twice as far as I'm concerned, Jerry
Speaker 6: got this perfectly right, sending the plane over there for
Speaker 6: those guys man, and you know, trying to because at
Speaker 6: first they came to Denise and like, well, we want
Speaker 6: to bring in your family, and Denise's like, well, I
Speaker 6: got people in Australia.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: One of the kids lives in Australia with his kids
Speaker 6: and of course her grandkids, and man, they.
Speaker 2: Picked them all up. Yeah, they picked them all up.
Speaker 6: Let's go, let's get it down, let's be They were waiting,
Speaker 6: you know, wherever it was supposed to wait. They had
Speaker 6: to get all the grandkids together and get the kids
Speaker 6: over there.
Speaker 4: And so there's such a great scene.
Speaker 5: And going to the station. So going to the sideline,
Speaker 5: what all them there? I was talking with Bob Lily, Yes,
Speaker 5: and I told them, I said, you know they're doing
Speaker 5: this for Bill. There they come to the last game
Speaker 5: of every season. His wife Anne told me and I said,
Speaker 5: you know they're doing this. And I said, I think
Speaker 5: the suite they're in is like six twenty. It's on
Speaker 5: the star level. And he goes, well, I'm not sure
Speaker 5: where we're at. And then I walked over there and
Speaker 5: I saw him and I went back to Lily and
Speaker 5: I said Hey, he's standing over on the other side.
Speaker 5: He goes, oh, I got to go say hi to them.
Speaker 5: So they walked over said hi to him. Ken Norton
Speaker 5: had been on the sideline when back for warm ups.
Speaker 5: He came back over to hug Bill just watching that,
Speaker 5: Zim came over over Stephen the whole family.
Speaker 6: I think that's what got maur Yes, I think that's
Speaker 6: what got him maur Mour because he was with us
Speaker 6: the whole time and he was just you know, happy, yes,
Speaker 6: but he wasn't overwhelmed until we saw him down on
Speaker 6: the sidelines and they showed the picture.
Speaker 2: But when he was.
Speaker 5: Sitting there and these guys are telling war stories, especially
Speaker 5: Berlin and Hellastro and Novtex, and he's sitting there and
Speaker 5: I can see he's he knows what they're talking about.
Speaker 6: And that's that's when Denise leaves him alone. She leaves
Speaker 6: him alone when she's there, and he was just standing
Speaker 6: there and it was as if he was talking, you know,
Speaker 6: as if he was engaging. But they were talking and
Speaker 6: he was he was engaging physically, yes, because he was
Speaker 6: just standing there. He wasn't sitting down. He was just
Speaker 6: standing there and you can just he was laughing. You
Speaker 6: could just see him laughing, and it's hard for him
Speaker 6: to do that, you know, it's hard for him to
Speaker 6: even make a a other a sound. So we said
Speaker 6: we were with each other, we were talking about something.
Speaker 6: Then of course we embraced several times yesterday, but we
Speaker 6: said something.
Speaker 2: I said something made him laugh and he said he
Speaker 2: more than uttered. You could actually hear it. And she
Speaker 2: said she was surprised.
Speaker 6: He goes, yeah, Bill, that's right, because he doesn't utter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he whispers.
Speaker 6: At this particular time, he uttered something and I forgot
Speaker 6: what it was.
Speaker 2: But you know, the small victories man.
Speaker 5: And the other thing I learned. So we've been here
Speaker 5: eight years now. Maybe they don't remember, he doesn't remember.
Speaker 5: But they took a tour of the Star in the
Speaker 5: morning Saturday morning, and basically Denise said, that was the
Speaker 5: first time we've been in here, and I said, get
Speaker 5: out of here. I said, did you see you know
Speaker 5: his name on the Pro Bowl wall and all that?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we saw that the pictures. So when I
Speaker 5: walked over there. You know how they have the Pro
Speaker 5: Bowls by position and they pick out one player for
Speaker 5: that position to highlight and then everybody else has their names.
Speaker 5: So I said, it's down by the locker room right
Speaker 5: before you get there. And uh, I said, well, I
Speaker 5: wonder if they just did a special teams like not
Speaker 5: punter kicker, but special teams.
Speaker 2: Uh want to talk about the weekend?
Speaker 5: And uh. And so I looked and there was an
Speaker 5: st special teams. It had Jim Schwantz there and then
Speaker 5: it listed Bill Bates. And I'm going, well, the reason
Speaker 5: Jim Swantz is on there because Bill Bates was the
Speaker 5: first one to get named to the Pro Bowl for.
Speaker 6: That possession, right John courtesy John Madden. Yeah, courtesy of
Speaker 6: John Madden. He always spoke with.
Speaker 5: So that surprised me because I see it. I don't
Speaker 5: analyze it right, but I see it and it's like,
Speaker 5: huh okay. But anyway, the reason.
Speaker 14: The guy has the pictures are the guy who has
Speaker 14: the most.
Speaker 8: That's that's why they have a picture.
Speaker 5: So when you get the most, you get a picture,
Speaker 5: which wants was only one year?
Speaker 8: Was he the first guy?
Speaker 5: It was his picture, That's all I know.
Speaker 8: I mean, Bill was first. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 14: I know that the picture turns into the picture of
Speaker 14: the person when they have the most Pro Bowls.
Speaker 8: For the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Well I thought it said Jim Schwantz nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 5: Then it had Bill Bates nineteen eighty four, so who knows.
Speaker 5: But anyway, I think in that case you should make
Speaker 5: an exception, right, no doubt. Are you up there with
Speaker 5: the cornerbacks.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what you're talking about. This thing
Speaker 2: you're talking about, I.
Speaker 4: Gotta find right we walked out.
Speaker 5: We're going to go take a look. But anyway, that
Speaker 5: was a very heartwarming, uh afternoon, and then during the
Speaker 5: game on Sunday when they had the whole family taking
Speaker 5: pictures with Jerry and the rest of the front office
Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, and it was pretty neat.
Speaker 4: We ran this last night, saw and Bill Ellis and
Speaker 4: Arnold Payne, the photographer, our photographer CBS and Arnold Paine
Speaker 4: with Channel eight.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: I know they were there. Maybe been others there too.
Speaker 4: They got an interview with Bill and Denise, but Bill
Speaker 4: talked for he said, I'm so blessed. Okay, it was really.
Speaker 6: I wish they would give him more airtime. I know
Speaker 6: he was crying when they showed it. I just wish
Speaker 6: they because you know, when they do Legends of the Game,
Speaker 6: they kind of they hold in on the guy for
Speaker 6: quite some time. I wish they would have just just
Speaker 6: a little bit more airtime because.
Speaker 5: They well they didn't do a live shot. They just
Speaker 5: did the picture right.
Speaker 2: No, No, that was a live show.
Speaker 6: Oh you know why remember was just in the stadium
Speaker 6: at the edge of the end zone.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, that's when they
Speaker 5: because they were used to doing the guys up they
Speaker 5: had because they had the whole family, they had the platoon.
Speaker 2: And it was so cool.
Speaker 6: But watching Denise work, uh you know the way she works,
Speaker 6: uh and all she has to deal with pretty cool stuff.
Speaker 6: Her and chouell uh they always had some type of
Speaker 6: connection and uh so we were just cool that she called.
Speaker 6: She called us, She didn't called. I wasn't the one
Speaker 6: that was contacted. She contacted so to make sure things
Speaker 6: got done. So Chuelle myself and Cherished, my daughter. We
Speaker 6: hung out with him all weekend. Yeah, they finally met you.
Speaker 2: And that was that was funny. They met you. Hey,
Speaker 2: we met Micky. Yep, that's him. Where's Bill? He's gallivant?
Speaker 5: I didn't that was but that was that was That
Speaker 5: was really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 6: And that was good to see Michael Irvin show up. Uh,
Speaker 6: you know, he's got a lot of stuff not on time,
Speaker 6: but no, no, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Mike gets there, were happy to see him.
Speaker 4: I'll go back one more little Bill Bates for me personally,
Speaker 4: this was I just looked it up. The Monday night
Speaker 4: game September ninth, nineteen eighty five against Washington. That was
Speaker 4: the forty four to fort that was on Joe's Joseph
Speaker 4: Thismand's birthday, and the Cowboys win forty four to fourteen.
Speaker 4: I was covering that game as a cub reporter for
Speaker 4: the TV station in Lubbock, Okay, and that was the
Speaker 4: first time that I ever did a satellite live shot
Speaker 4: after the game. We were working for the ABC affiliates.
Speaker 4: So after the game, I'm live at Texas Stadium and
Speaker 4: we needed a player to join us. And who was
Speaker 4: it that comes out of the Cowboy locker room it
Speaker 4: joins me for a live interview. It was Bill Bates,
Speaker 4: who would have been I guess his third year in
Speaker 4: the league now that was that would be his second year, second.
Speaker 5: Year, okay, eighty five, eighty three, eighty three. Did you
Speaker 5: still have that picture on the phone. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 5: no one with you guys. The Thurman s thieves.
Speaker 2: Oh no, his hunted hat the oldest, the oldest triplet.
Speaker 5: So they got all the guys with their hat, their gangs,
Speaker 5: and then there's one white guy in the middle, and we.
Speaker 6: Touted how all of us were trying to look tough
Speaker 6: at which we mostly did a terrible job at it.
Speaker 6: But Bill Bates at the top of it because he's
Speaker 6: close to the light. There's menacing shadow over his part
Speaker 6: of the poster, and he looks cool as hell. Dude,
Speaker 6: I've always said this, he's the scariest looking one on
Speaker 6: the poster. He and Victor Scott, those two guys are
Speaker 6: right next to each other. You're like, those are the
Speaker 6: ones that you sitting out there when you want something done,
Speaker 6: because they looked like real gangsters. Very cool picture.
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Speaker 4: back here on Mixed Shots.
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Speaker 5: It's always part of my celebrity needs to be a
Speaker 5: little level couple higher. I think I wouldn't like to
Speaker 5: go to that game tonight, but it's too cold.
Speaker 4: So the FCS National Championship Game, the North Dakota State Invitational.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: State, Yeah, they are right at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then as far as the weather in the North Dakota
Speaker 4: States here, Virtue for the last twelve years has been
Speaker 4: there about every year.
Speaker 5: And I bet Trade Lance will be on the sideline his.
Speaker 4: Brother is playing in the game.
Speaker 2: Which one are they playing the team that has the
Speaker 2: red field?
Speaker 4: No, that's uh. They were here once, Eastern Washington.
Speaker 6: Eastern Washington. Yes, they were here once. I saw the videos. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's what they have. They do a good job. They
Speaker 6: got Eddie Robinson Award up there and the Dorris Robinson
Speaker 6: Award at the FCS Award Bank.
Speaker 4: Really they have.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was a part of that of course, uh
Speaker 2: for several years. Uh.
Speaker 6: They invite me to come back every year, but it's
Speaker 6: always on the d I can't do it. But no,
Speaker 6: I've you know, when you start talking about Eddie Robinson,
Speaker 6: I think it's Buck.
Speaker 2: Buchanan Award is part of that. Uh event as well.
Speaker 2: So Grambling has this stemp all over that award. So
Speaker 2: that's why I love it.
Speaker 5: So, Trey Lance, what did you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what'd y'all think?
Speaker 8: By the way, Hunter Lipke is probably going to be
Speaker 8: there as well. Just let's stop, by.
Speaker 4: The way, the fact that Hunter Lipke was.
Speaker 8: A bigger role in the Cowboys than Trey Lance said
Speaker 8: this year.
Speaker 4: Hunter Lipkey though yesterday wearing the number forty. I thought
Speaker 4: it was great to see him get some touches with
Speaker 4: Bill Bates number on. Okay, did I did like?
Speaker 5: And he ran well yep, so the deuce.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, the question was Lance, Trey Lance. Ah,
Speaker 2: I was so.
Speaker 6: Frustrated watching him play because you see how well he
Speaker 6: can play. You see the talent, you see the potential,
Speaker 6: you see the probably the best looking quarterback in the
Speaker 6: uniform in the entire NFL right now.
Speaker 2: But there are those moments that.
Speaker 6: Just frustrate the hell out of me, and he never
Speaker 6: fails to give me those moments.
Speaker 2: The pass to.
Speaker 4: Random Cook Brandon Cook's Okay, yep, yep.
Speaker 6: Man, come on, man, It's like, how do you how
Speaker 6: are you that egregious when you are so talented and
Speaker 6: the man is so wide open you almost hurt the
Speaker 6: camera man over there when he threw that ball on
Speaker 6: that flag route where Cook was just wide open. It's
Speaker 6: just a simple touch pass. You've seen Cooper and.
Speaker 5: Dak do it, and we've seen that route turn into touchdowns.
Speaker 2: All the time. It's almost one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: And for him to miss it as egregiously as he
Speaker 6: did that, just that just it just took me right
Speaker 6: back to the preseason game. Not only that, there was
Speaker 6: a time when Turpin was open on the scramble down
Speaker 6: the sidelines.
Speaker 5: He threw off one foot. Why he when he makes
Speaker 5: a bad pass, it's all over one. He can't throw
Speaker 5: on the run, which is weird because he's kind of
Speaker 5: a mobile quarterback right.
Speaker 2: And his arm is great for that. Now he proved
Speaker 2: that he could do that.
Speaker 6: At one other point in the game, scrambled right to left,
Speaker 6: he came back right the receiver, you know, at the
Speaker 6: first receiver.
Speaker 4: Worst completion of the game, the tober. He was on
Speaker 4: the move and.
Speaker 6: You could see, I mean he hit him as he
Speaker 6: before he even broke open. The anticipation was there and
Speaker 6: I could see that. I was in the press box
Speaker 6: with Doug at the time. I'm like, man, that's that's nice,
Speaker 6: you know, that's that's that's what we're looking for from him.
Speaker 6: I'm talking with Doug Williams. And but then when you
Speaker 6: see the the past the turpen, you brought the safety
Speaker 6: over there to him, you lobbed it to him. Not
Speaker 6: only that, and it was out of bounds. You didn't
Speaker 6: even keep him in bounds when you threw the ball.
Speaker 6: And of course the most egregious one was the miss
Speaker 6: to ric o'daldle.
Speaker 2: I just had to start laughing and I just went.
Speaker 5: And once again he was throwing on the run.
Speaker 2: Didn't stop lasting. He could have done a dag on
Speaker 2: triple option pitch.
Speaker 4: To the guy she was trying to aim it and
Speaker 4: short armed it. And because he was so wide open.
Speaker 15: One of the things that to me, that's a narrative,
Speaker 15: but not the excuse.
Speaker 2: It's not an excuse you because he's so wide open.
Speaker 6: That's why you should have made that play as simple
Speaker 6: as it was handed to you.
Speaker 5: One of the things we noticed in training camp before
Speaker 5: he even played any preseason games was his accuracy was
Speaker 5: probably not what it needed to be and his recognition.
Speaker 5: He would miss guys. There was a couple of times
Speaker 5: in the end zone. I think once it was turping,
Speaker 5: once it was I can't remember who else it was
Speaker 5: wide open, but he never saw it. And it's like,
Speaker 5: well you got to see that.
Speaker 6: And once again but when you have the basic plays, uh,
Speaker 6: you see the talent.
Speaker 4: But again you see the talent.
Speaker 2: Routes in there the right way it needed to be.
Speaker 4: But it's not just not playing football games. It's not
Speaker 4: playing football practices.
Speaker 5: Right, you know, because the third quarterback gets nothing right
Speaker 5: and if you get anything, it's with the scout team,
Speaker 5: unless because he's mimicking other quarterbacks. But think about it,
Speaker 5: had played a real game since well I got second.
Speaker 4: He is the same age as Bo Nick's, Jaden Daniels
Speaker 4: and Michael Pinnis. They are all twenty four years old.
Speaker 4: I added it up coming into this game. Bo Nicks
Speaker 4: College and NFL has thrown twenty four hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: four pass attempts in games. Jayden Daniels nineteen hundred and six,
Speaker 4: Michael Pennock seventeen hundred and fifty two, Trey Lance and
Speaker 4: this is going back to twenty twenty twenty nineteen. He's
Speaker 4: thrown a total of four hundred twenty seven passes in
Speaker 4: games one season in college and which was three hundred
Speaker 4: and eighteen passes. It wasn't even a full I mean,
Speaker 4: he's playing at North Dakota State where they're not throwing
Speaker 4: the ball like they do at other places, and in
Speaker 4: the NFL just over one hundred going into yesterday. Basically
Speaker 4: he's had one hundred and fifty now in the NFL now.
Speaker 6: And the only reason I say that that's not all
Speaker 6: of his problems is because we've seen him perform the
Speaker 6: way a professional quarterback performs in most normal cases.
Speaker 2: So to me, that part of.
Speaker 6: It is is that's proven for him. But that when
Speaker 6: you miss a pass the way you did with Cooks,
Speaker 6: when you miss it passed the way you did with Donald,
Speaker 6: that has nothing to do with experience.
Speaker 2: You just got to that has nothing to do with experience.
Speaker 2: That's something that's in here.
Speaker 6: You realize that that's an opportunity, and you make that play.
Speaker 6: I don't care how much experience you have. When you
Speaker 6: see that that's going to happen. Something in your brain,
Speaker 6: from your brain to your feet, to your arms, whatever,
Speaker 6: it says, Okay, that play is.
Speaker 2: A gimme for me. I can do gimmes.
Speaker 6: I don't need practice for gimmes, and those were gimmes.
Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying. That's what I getse.
Speaker 4: Know who what trainer he works for? I mean, what
Speaker 4: does he do in the off season as far as
Speaker 4: like what Dak does with the quarterback school that he's
Speaker 4: constantly Patrick mahomes with Bobby Strope who's over in West
Speaker 4: Fort Worth. And I wanted to see Trey Lance get
Speaker 4: with one of those guys, trainers, quarterback guys and hone.
Speaker 4: If you do it right, you got something exactly, you
Speaker 4: got something there. But it's just it's the repetition of
Speaker 4: doing it over and over and over again. And I'm
Speaker 4: talking off season as much as in.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we're talking off season. Yeah, we're talking off season.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know what, I'd sign him, and I've never heard
Speaker 4: this done before outside of NFL Europe days. I would
Speaker 4: sign him at a reasonable price. Yeah, I mean a
Speaker 4: million and a half whatever close to veteran minimum. I
Speaker 4: would loan him to the Arlington Renegades and let play
Speaker 4: ten games on loan. We're still you're still on our payroll,
Speaker 4: but we are loaning you to the Arlington Renegades. Where
Speaker 4: you can play ten games this spring and by what
Speaker 4: you can develop something.
Speaker 5: But you know what, Yeah I saw that. Uh but again,
Speaker 5: if you if you look at what, I think, I've
Speaker 5: only seen one quarterback get elevated from playing that level
Speaker 5: to the NFL. It was that PJ. Yeah Walker Walker,
Speaker 5: because but offensive lines are so bad. It's like the
Speaker 5: skilled player.
Speaker 4: I want him just playing it.
Speaker 15: I want him playing regardless of I.
Speaker 4: Don't care about the results. I don't care about the results.
Speaker 2: Just play and I don't get hurt.
Speaker 4: And I want him under duress too. He's got a run,
Speaker 4: he's got to scramble and my throws on the run.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that deep ball to Turpin. When I went back
Speaker 5: and looked at it, he threw off his back foot
Speaker 5: in the air, and yeah.
Speaker 2: He was. He looked at him and he kept looking
Speaker 2: at him. I think you want him to stop running.
Speaker 4: But but the key on that is your NFL contract
Speaker 4: is not dependent on how well you do in the UFL.
Speaker 4: You can't. He can't go to the UFL. I just
Speaker 4: want him to get some experience. Come on, let's get
Speaker 4: some experience. How's he going to get any experience?
Speaker 5: Because back in the day when they had NFL Europe,
Speaker 5: you can do become him Hall of Famer. Which which
Speaker 5: of the quarterbacks that played baseball did the Cowboys do
Speaker 5: that with? It was the kid from Michigan, Drew Henson.
Speaker 5: I think he went It was either him or Chad.
Speaker 4: Chad Chad Hutchinson, d Hutchinson.
Speaker 5: One of them did it. And but when you watched,
Speaker 5: uh it was it was. I think it was Henson
Speaker 5: because Parcels was the coach and Parcells was basically like,
Speaker 5: you got to cut it loose, you just got it
Speaker 5: cut it because he wanted to see everything perfect right
Speaker 5: and he was scared to pull the trigger and quick enough,
Speaker 5: which is some of what he went through. But other
Speaker 5: than that, with three with six seconds to go, they
Speaker 5: were beating a playlayoff team nineteen to sixteen and had
Speaker 5: only scored one touchdown. Think about this, scored one touchdown
Speaker 5: since Lamb went out, he played two games. They've scored
Speaker 5: one touch on.
Speaker 4: Ready and their backup quarterback played better than.
Speaker 2: He was, diming man.
Speaker 4: They scored touchdowns on three out of four possessions, three
Speaker 4: out of four possessions of the second halfdown.
Speaker 2: He didn't just stumble into things, No, he was I
Speaker 2: mean even.
Speaker 5: The touchdown passed that was a dime.
Speaker 7: That was a right that was and the fourth th
Speaker 7: I don't think could have gotten that if he saw
Speaker 7: he was covered. I don't think he got if he
Speaker 7: was turned around, and I don't think he could have. Actually,
Speaker 7: it was just the timing and the positioning.
Speaker 5: Was and then the fake on the fourth and one.
Speaker 2: Oh I do.
Speaker 4: How about Hooker? Yeah, let's celebrate. Did you see Hooker? Yes,
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden hook relayed. Oh, I
Speaker 5: got to save the touchdown here, I got to make
Speaker 5: a tackle.
Speaker 2: That was I never saw. I got to see the
Speaker 2: I never saw it. I didn't either I got I've
Speaker 2: never seen the replay.
Speaker 5: I've got to see it because I saw him making
Speaker 5: the tackle and I said, oh, it's a five yard loss.
Speaker 6: Great, great play, great play. My best players I've ever seen,
Speaker 6: well and my best players I've ever seen.
Speaker 15: He didn't scheme wise, they didn't have the ball and
Speaker 15: uh Micah bit down right right, and then lea foul
Speaker 15: was Leo there? Yeah, yeah, which was a shame because
Speaker 15: he played well too.
Speaker 5: They got something and Leo foul by the way, and
Speaker 5: I think Zim pointed out that they think his futures
Speaker 5: at middle linebacker the green dot. Yeah, and and the
Speaker 5: fact that it seems like in these days the middle
Speaker 5: linebacker doesn't have to be built like that.
Speaker 4: And I thought when they drift, look at Kendricks.
Speaker 5: He's not that big, but he's smart.
Speaker 4: He fits the profile of Eric SAMs.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: I thought when they drafted him that Zimmer probably saw
Speaker 4: Kendricks some Kendricks and Leophel.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, and uh, and he's played.
Speaker 16: Well we're twelve o three yeah, we uh, there's so
Speaker 16: so but okay, one last, one last, we're the only
Speaker 16: doesn't mean you can go all day just throwing it
Speaker 16: out that.
Speaker 4: We got up, because we're not until next Monday at
Speaker 4: Chris and tell me we got on prediction. Okay, all right,
Speaker 4: what are we talking about next Monday at eleven am?
Speaker 2: We're talking about Washington losing.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're talking about Washington losing.
Speaker 5: I think we'll talk about Mike McCarry being back.
Speaker 4: Okay, there we go. All right, that's what I wanted
Speaker 4: to hear. I wanted to hear you.
Speaker 14: Hutchison and Drew Henson both were out. The Cowboys sent
Speaker 14: them to the Ryan Fire.
Speaker 5: Okay, both of them. Both of them went, I was
Speaker 5: thinking one.
Speaker 2: For you know.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you to follow up on the conversation producers Supreme,
Speaker 4: the NFL europe historian.
Speaker 5: And we never pointed out that the Cowboys now have
Speaker 5: the twelfth pick in the draft.
Speaker 2: Okay, and who has the first pick all off season?
Speaker 4: The first pick? New England wins the game, so they
Speaker 4: no longer have the number one pick, and they fired
Speaker 4: the coach and Doug Peterson got fired.
Speaker 6: You had one job expectful exactly, Well, what do you
Speaker 6: expect from Mayo? Man, you're gonna fire this guy? What
Speaker 6: do you expect from man? That's a black thing. Man.
Speaker 4: As soon as brabel is, as soon as Brabell interviewed
Speaker 4: with the Jets, he got he got very high on
Speaker 4: Bob Crab's.
Speaker 2: Radar, crazy boy crazy.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what. Aaron Glenn Yeah needs a
Speaker 5: head coaching Jay, and not just because of how he
Speaker 5: coordinates a defense, just who he is that I think
Speaker 5: it was just one year here, maybe two at the most. Yeah,
Speaker 5: first Aaron O three, I know he understood the game.
Speaker 2: So I got.
Speaker 6: I love the Trust coaching staff. I just love the
Speaker 6: whole staff. The guys are good they they're good. They
Speaker 6: all it's like they all believe together, right, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean. Dave Campbell, Dan Campbell Man, I just
Speaker 6: I like him all. I like I like the way
Speaker 6: Glenn coaches. I like that demir demeanor on the sideline.
Speaker 6: That that entire team they remind me of a college team.
Speaker 6: They remind me of college national championship team. That's that's
Speaker 6: how they they're built.
Speaker 4: They've built that thing in the last four years.
Speaker 7: Nice and their first round winning and passing, pretty good
Speaker 7: running backs.
Speaker 2: Yes, man, good stuff.
Speaker 8: You know what he used to do to me all
Speaker 8: the time.
Speaker 4: He's gonna keep gentlemen, Welcome to overtime.
Speaker 5: We're in overtime. It's either a touchdown or lose. Right.
Speaker 8: That one was for Douglas Barflow, just letting you know.
Speaker 14: He's been waiting for me to just play that every.
Speaker 8: Every day, like, hey, can you hit the hit the referee?
Speaker 5: Yeah, gentlemen, welcome to overtime.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: There was there was another thing we were talking about
Speaker 5: this Yeah, yeah, the hit that and.
Speaker 4: That wasn't by the way, it wasn't an errant.
Speaker 5: No, No, he was trying he.
Speaker 4: Was trying to do it was we all understand that, right,
Speaker 4: That's why I wanted to do a pinpoint accuracy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, that does it for mixed shots and who
Speaker 4: knows what will be talking about next Monday at eleven am,
Speaker 4: No Cowboys.
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