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Speaker 4: He was posting up man, you know trash. He really

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Missouri, c BC, CBC high School. I played

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Speaker 1: Why out of you know you a McDonald You know

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Speaker 4: So that's why I figured, like I'm winning this. Everybody

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Speaker 5: Yeah, at what point did it become in that season

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Speaker 4: I didn't even practice spoon was like, I know, you

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Speaker 3: Move that started a movement one and done.

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Speaker 1: Like guys going one and done, like it's crazy right now,

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Speaker 4: Years, you already know. You already know, especially you know,

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Speaker 1: You know you're a one and done guy, but your

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Speaker 4: I think you said it like, back then, we I

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Speaker 2: Like now it's some of these dudes.

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Speaker 5: That like they only going to school because they got to,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Now I think that's it. That's it. The rules,

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Speaker 5: So you had everybody just getting in there like they

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Speaker 4: Now, boy, I was the one that done and try

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Speaker 4: something in mind, like you just got to go all

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00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 4: out for it, because I didn't, Like, I went to

439
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 4: school and didn't finish all the way, but eventually I

440
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 4: didn't want to go back. It just didn't happen till

441
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 4: I was forty. But they made it difficult. So you

442
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 4: think about like the system and all it, like, did

443
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 4: I really did you make the right decision? Did you

444
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,439
Speaker 4: not make the right decision? I'm like I made the

445
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 4: right decision. You know what I'm saying.

446
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 3: How was your draft process? Did you have to work

447
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 3: out for a lot of teams?

448
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,399
Speaker 4: Now we did. We knew like the range, so it

449
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 4: was like it was like between five and eight. So

450
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 4: I worked out for Dallas, Golden State, Sacramento, and Philly.

451
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: Y'all really, y'all really, Saint Louis home boys, it ain't

452
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 2: work out for nobody needs like three photons. He just met,

453
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 2: you know.

454
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: Because you know when you come out to Louis, you

455
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 1: won the best.

456
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 2: Get back to what he shout to Jeff Wexlers for that.

457
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: He one who really did that. You didn't even know

458
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 2: what was going on. Like, go ahead, Jeff wex Man,

459
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

460
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: So when you when you came out and you heard

461
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 1: you you're finna play with Chuck, Like you know, we

462
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: all are fans of Chuck. This movement. You know, we

463
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: watched them Georgetown. We all love everything about Chuck. To

464
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: hear you're finna go to the city just across Mike

465
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: the year before, a lot of hype, like how was

466
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: that to see like I'm gonna go over here with

467
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,719
Speaker 1: ayay going like it's all.

468
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh.

469
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 4: I was ready for that. I was ready for that.

470
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 4: Like we we like real similar in a lot of ways.

471
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 4: Obviously great Hall of Fame basketball player, but as far

472
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 4: as as like how we grew up and the things

473
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 4: that he's experienced and all that, I could play with

474
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 4: that guy, Yeah, I can. You know I can. I

475
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 4: can roll with that guy. So I knew, like the

476
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 4: you know, the person he was. I knew that, you know,

477
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 4: we could we could figure it out. You know, we

478
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 4: could figure it out, and we want to lock out.

479
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 4: So I got drafted and we couldn't go to the

480
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 4: Sixers facility. We did a little press compas or whatever,

481
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 4: but that was it. So we got together early. But

482
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 4: what's funny was is that I was still back in

483
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 4: Saint Louis, you know, working out or whatever. But I

484
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 4: sent my mom and my brother to Philadelphia because they

485
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 4: were gonna move and live and he was the first

486
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 4: one to meet them. Like I didn't meet Al until

487
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 4: my mom and my brother. Yea, So they met him

488
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 4: in Fridays and they called me and it's like Ai

489
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 4: is in here. So I figured out, you know who

490
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 4: I needed to call to make sure that they, you know,

491
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 4: got over to meet him. And they actually met him first.

492
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 4: So our relationship started even you know what I'm saying,

493
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 4: even before I met him. So once we got together,

494
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 4: we started to work out or he would play, we

495
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: will work out because he didn't like train, or he

496
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 4: didn't like lift, or he just like he just played.

497
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: He could get his work.

498
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 4: And I saw that for the first time. Man, a

499
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 4: little bit after getting drafting, like, damn, that's crazy.

500
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 5: Damn could you fathom that they were gonna be calling

501
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 5: y'all a nickname together? You and Ai, like one year

502
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 5: ago you at Saint Louis, like just not even thinking

503
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 5: about the league, just figuring it out. Then a year

504
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 5: later you wanted the icon of the culture of the

505
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 5: whole league and you got to you part of a

506
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 5: nickname of a duo with him.

507
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 4: It's funny how that stuff worked, man, It's funny how

508
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: that stuff work. As far as how teammates get together,

509
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 4: you know, back you know we played, it was always like,

510
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: you know, at least one guy that, like you, was

511
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 4: thick with that was your guy. You know what I'm saying,

512
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 4: That was your guy. It just happened for me. It

513
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 4: just happened to be him. Like the best players to

514
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 4: do it. So when we talk about catching lobs, if

515
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 4: I didn't catch lobs, how was I gonna get the ball?

516
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 4: He knew that.

517
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time you caught one when

518
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: he was going because he only threw one when he

519
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: went right. But do you remember you remember the first

520
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 1: time you caught one and you went back thing and

521
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: you called it?

522
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 4: It was in it. It was practice. It was practice.

523
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 4: So we would practice, you know what I'm saying, that play,

524
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 4: the timing of it, you know, and then it just

525
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 4: so happened to start happening in the game and we

526
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: would get that offen and practice all the time because

527
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 4: he he would practice, but he wouldn't really practice so

528
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 4: he could go this. Yeah, so he go in. He

529
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 4: wanted to pass the ball more than anything, you know

530
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So that that started, you know, that

531
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 4: started early on in practice.

532
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 5: How did you find out that you going to the

533
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 5: Warriors like this is early on in your career. You

534
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 5: like you like you right in and you get introduced

535
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 5: to the to the business side of it.

536
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: How did you find that all of that out?

537
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 4: Uh, it was happening early on. I mean I can

538
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 4: admit early on I was a knucklehead like I was,

539
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I was came from where

540
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 4: I was from, and you know I was hard headed.

541
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 4: So the conversations I probably was, you know, as a

542
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 4: rookie men having. I mean nobody's had as many conversations

543
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 4: with the GM as as I had. Man with Billy

544
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 4: King and Larry Brown, like I had more meetings. Didn't

545
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 4: deserve you know what I'm saying. I didn't have enough

546
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 4: stature to have all these meetings and have all these

547
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 4: sit downs with these guys. But I mean we were

548
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: sitting down talking and trying to figure out, like what

549
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 4: was gonna happen, where I could fit in. I wanted more.

550
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: They was trying to hold off. So I was introducing like, okay,

551
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 4: the business side of it, the proceedings. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

552
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: real early on, how things go. If you're not happy

553
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: with the situation, they'll find somewhere for you to go.

554
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

555
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: How how we had ail on?

556
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 5: He told us a story about how I want to

557
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 5: say it was his Uh was it his Rose Royce

558
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 5: or Bentley one of the two you saw and you

559
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 5: was just like damn, like yo, and he was like

560
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 5: go ahead and like you. I don't know how long

561
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 5: you kept it, but like how did that feel to have?

562
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 5: You know, like I said, going back to you just

563
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 5: coming in the league, just figured things out. Then you

564
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 5: get with this guy who is who he is and

565
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 5: then he rocking with you like that to the point.

566
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: Where like he give you the whip the what was it?

567
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: The Rose?

568
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: It was?

569
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: It was a Rose.

570
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 4: It was a think it was a Bentley. I think

571
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 4: it was. I think it was a Bentley Azore is

572
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: what it was. It definitely was a drop chop. But

573
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: this guy me, he had he was having cars pulled

574
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 4: up and signing off for cars like every other month.

575
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 4: I mean like luxury cars like pulling up, you know

576
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 4: what I mean. He had the relationship with the guy

577
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: the owner, get the car. Place would come up, he

578
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 4: signed off on it. So he had a bunch of cars.

579
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: And you gotta remember, I'm just just starting out. So

580
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: when I got out, I got to navigate. I got

581
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: a Lincoln Navigator like like I'm doing something, but get

582
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 4: the Philly and he got you know, all these cars,

583
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 4: and one day I took him. We went to work out,

584
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 4: so I was taking him. I was gonna drop him off.

585
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 4: He's like, you know, just keep the car, Like, keep

586
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 4: the car. So I kept the car because I was

587
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 4: gonna pick him up the next day and then we're

588
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 4: just gonna go to the gym after that. So I

589
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 4: kept the car. But I kept the car. He had

590
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 4: on gas in it, so that was the whole thing.

591
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 4: It's like he knew he didn't have any gas. That's

592
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: why he told me to keep it. And he knew

593
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 4: that once I got it, I didn't really I wouldn't

594
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 4: really know how to, you know, figure out what was

595
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: wrong with it. So I'm riding the car and just

596
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 4: driving funny and I'm like, man, what's going on? So

597
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 4: eventually the car just stopped. It cut off. I was

598
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 4: on I was on a city line. I wasn't I

599
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: wasn't in the hood. I was on city line, not

600
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 4: too far away from Fridays. So I'm like, damn, no

601
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: modes number. I got to with other guys and I'm

602
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: I'm like, should I call him? It's just me. I'm like,

603
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 4: should I call him? Because if I called him and

604
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: they're gonna be mad. I'm still eighteen, you know what

605
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, I know he's gonna be mad. So

606
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 4: I figure out, Okay, I got to call him. Ain't

607
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: nothing nothing else I can do. I tried to start

608
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 4: the car. Ain't nothing happening. So I called him and

609
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: he man, you know, going in, you know what's going

610
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 4: on with you want?

611
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: What do you want?

612
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: So he called somebody to come pick him up. They come,

613
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 4: you know, to where I'm at, and I could see

614
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: when they pulling up like.

615
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: He was.

616
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 4: He was kind of moving his head like he was mad,

617
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: like like what did I do? Like what did I

618
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: do to his car? But I'm like, all right, hey,

619
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 4: car ain't running. He get out and he starts smirking.

620
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 4: You know, you're looking around. Hey, y'all know him, you know,

621
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: straight clown. So he's looking around like damn mean, I'm like,

622
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: my bad man. I'm like, you know, I pay for

623
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: whatever what it want? You want? And he looked at

624
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: somebody say, man, this car ain't got no gas in it.

625
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: And I'm like, but that's him, him playing tricks and

626
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 4: playing jokes on you, and that's I mean, that's I

627
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: love the guy. I love you.

628
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: What made you stay in the dunk contest knowing that

629
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: you're finna get in dunk contest with Vince Carter.

630
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: McGrady and like, like, did.

631
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: You think you had a chance or you know, I

632
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: didn't think I had a chance. I didn't even want

633
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 4: a chance, So you just wanted It's All Star weekend.

634
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 4: We didn't have no All Star. I got drafted. It

635
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: was a lockout. We didn't have All Star. So All

636
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 4: Star Weekend, I've heard all of these stories. I want

637
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 4: to be the All Star Weekend and I'm with the Sixers.

638
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: So this guy, he has a party with everybody who's

639
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 4: everybody you know in the industry at All Stars. So

640
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: I went to have a good time. And I think

641
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: they put me in an All Star game because they

642
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 4: left me out of the Freshman Sophomore game.

643
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: So they put you in Dunk contest.

644
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: They put me in put me in a Dunk contest

645
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: because they wanted me there because I asked some other

646
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: appearances and stuff that I had to do. So you

647
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 4: know how the league do if they get you there

648
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: for one thing, and the how you do everything, how

649
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: you do everything. So now I wasn't that that was

650
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: my first dunk count that's.

651
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: Ever, yeah, out in your life ever and.

652
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: You talk about this drunk legs.

653
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 3: How was the atmosphere and how amazing was it?

654
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: Like when you've seen Vince first dunk and Jerry Steakhouse

655
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: is coming behind.

656
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: Her like it was the warm up. It was the

657
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: warm ups. Vince was out there dropping the ball in

658
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: the basket with his elbow inn and.

659
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: The warm up.

660
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 5: That's exactly what you just said, he said, because him

661
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: and t Max missed the real warm ups for y'all

662
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 5: to be behind the scenes. They got that lake, so

663
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 5: he said. When he came, he literally just trying to act.

664
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: He said, I was trying to jump as high as

665
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: I could. Just do it, he said. I started one time,

666
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: dropped it, he said, I'm ready in the.

667
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: Warm ups, man, in the warm up line and the

668
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: warm up, that's what it was. You knew it was over,

669
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: you know, you knew it was over. Then you get

670
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: the first dunk, like man, the whole thing, two hands,

671
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: one off verd something TV.

672
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 5: But how was the how was the building buzzing after

673
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 5: that very first one?

674
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: I mean that that has to go down. You know

675
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: you see all the commercials now when that don't go

676
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: down there by Jont with the camp courters and start.

677
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's that's history, you know what I'm saying,

678
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: that's history. That's not going nowhere fever.

679
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Pitch you in Golden State, and this is your opportunity

680
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: you're looking at it. This is your opportunity to show

681
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: more of your game, you know, because like it's crazy

682
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: how how we playing were playing and we beat these

683
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: scores or we beat this type of way. But when

684
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 1: we play in the league, with the politics and all that,

685
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: you have to adjust your game to kind of stay

686
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: in this league or trying to kind of play with

687
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: the team.

688
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: They kind of put a label on you.

689
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: They forget that you was hitting fifties and thirties and

690
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: turn you into a defender. Like but when you got

691
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: the Golden State, what was that Like? Did you think

692
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: that was like your opportunity to show more of what

693
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: you can do?

694
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 4: I did? I did really for me man, being young

695
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: and coming to the league and you know, going through

696
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: the trade or whatnot, and you know, not knowing if

697
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: the coach wanted to play you. I knew the coach

698
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: wanted me there in Philadelphia, but not knowing as you

699
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 4: go if you're not doing something right where they don't

700
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: want to play you, like you said, the politics of things,

701
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: and you start to think like am I good enough?

702
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: Like can I really do it? And then again you

703
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: start thinking about like three four or five years, they

704
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: say you're gonna be in the league three four or

705
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: five years and it's over. Like I'm not trying to

706
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: go back. I can't go back. So all those things

707
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: creep into your mind. Man, can I do it? Can

708
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: I do it? So once I got the Golden State,

709
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: it was like, we're gonna give you the basketball. We

710
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 4: got injuries and this and that. We're trying to figure

711
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: out what's going on. It's going and you know, do

712
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: what you know how to do. So that's when I

713
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: figured out, Yah can do this, Like yeah, I can

714
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: do this. It was just that was a situation that

715
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: I was in. I understand what was going on. But

716
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: if you get a chance to to you know, to

717
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: be in a different situation. Obviously, go and stay wasn't

718
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: the best, but you know you can play in this league.

719
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: But you got an opportunity to see a young gil

720
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: But like come from not playing, I mean a giver

721
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: had Mookie Blaylock in front of him.

722
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

723
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: And we all know how talented Gilver it is and

724
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: how good giver can be.

725
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: To see how Gilver transitioned to being.

726
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: This guy who's off the bench and he was a

727
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: late draft pick and all that stuff too. Ma, they

728
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: about to give him a hundred million dollars, like he

729
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: picked the ball up and ran with it. Tell us

730
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: about that. He's telling us a story about how he

731
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: how he used to always go to the hotel and

732
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: order food on your I.

733
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: Took care of ga man. Yeah, I took care of him.

734
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 4: When he first got drafted, Eric the equipment manager, called

735
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: me and said, hell, you gotta talk to this guy.

736
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: He spent all his money already. I mean this is

737
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: like fresh. It's like two weeks after the draft, and like, eh,

738
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: I'm on my way, and our relationship started. Then he

739
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: picked me up from the hotel, I mean from the airport,

740
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: drove me. I got in contact with gil and I

741
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: tried to make sure he was making all the right

742
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: I wasn't always making all the right decisions, but the

743
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: decisions he was making was gonna have him out of

744
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: the league fast. It's gonna have me out of So

745
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: I found a man in that relationship was like like

746
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: little brother, big brother. Like I made sure that he was,

747
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: like you said, straight on the road if he needed,

748
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: you know, to eat on the road. I made sure

749
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: that put everything on your room. Yeah, he put everything

750
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: on my room. We would see for Rooke in the hotel.

751
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 4: Everything is on me. You know what I'm saying.

752
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: Everything.

753
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody in the knows knows.

754
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: Yes, man, all of that from from clothes to food,

755
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: all of that stuff.

756
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: Man.

757
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: I made sure that you know, that was a little brother.

758
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: And you had another player in Antoine Jameson a unique player,

759
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: like like I said, I hate his his game, but

760
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: he's sole effected and and I can respect his game

761
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: because it works. Yeah, like however he put it down,

762
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: it works to have play it like him and y'all

763
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: played together from not only the Golden State and y'all

764
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: kind of transitioning into.

765
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: Did y'all get together?

766
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: That happen? Like you Gill laying him always there.

767
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I signed as a free agent. Gil also signed

768
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: as a free agent a couple of years later, but

769
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 4: Twin was actually in Dallas. I believe Twin came from Dallas.

770
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: He came around.

771
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 4: Yeah twe came from Dallas, but yeah, it was good.

772
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: It was like the little guys and growing up, Like

773
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: the little guys have grown up what we've seen and

774
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: what we did in Golden State, like we was like

775
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: losing like thirteen games in a row, Like you go

776
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 4: a month where you didn't you didn't win a game,

777
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: Like that's that's a bad way to be. And then

778
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 4: it get dropped into Washington and just trying to figure

779
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: out like Okay, you three guys can can run this

780
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: show and figure out where y'all gonna take us, get

781
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 4: to the playoffs whatever I mean, we chasing championships. We

782
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: may not have a chance, but that's how hard we're

783
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: gonna play, you know. And that's what that was. It

784
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: was like the little guys, like we grown up and

785
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: we wanted to prove that, you know what I'm saying,

786
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: we could play.

787
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: Ye after like your offense, I knew you was a

788
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: bucket Gilter, like college showed yous bucket. Gel I knew

789
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: you got bucket, but in this league you transition into

790
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: a defender, Like how was I know, Like, you know,

791
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: if people don't recognize you as a defender and you

792
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: get that not just like you know, yeah, I'm glad

793
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: I get respected to that, but then they take away

794
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: how talented offensively you is, Like, so, how was that

795
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: that for you? To be an offensive player and get

796
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: a notch touff? What they respecting your defense, but they

797
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: taking your offense away.

798
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: I think that that's something you know, when you're on

799
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 4: a team, like, that's something you gotta deal with, Like

800
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: you got to figure out the best way possible to

801
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 4: deal with it, like playing defense and you know, shutting

802
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: the other person down or you know, not letting them

803
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: score with us. If that's gonna help your team, then

804
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 4: that's that's what you gotta do. But at the end

805
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 4: of the day, if somebody throw that ball up and say, okay,

806
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: these guys they sitting out tonight, here you go there,

807
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: you know, you got to step up and you gotta

808
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 4: be ready. You gotta be ready to go. But that's

809
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 4: all the part of being on the team. Like I'm

810
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: on teams where I'm guarding the guy that's six eight

811
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 4: two thirty and I'm on the team and guarding a

812
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 4: guy that's five to eleven, one sixty. You know what

813
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying, So that those are both my matchups, but

814
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: you know those my matchups. So it's probably a guy

815
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: that could score the ball a little bit better than me.

816
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. We can't get him in

817
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 4: foul trouble and the team gonna need him, So you

818
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, that's what you gotta do.

819
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 5: Like he said, coming in as a bugget get as

820
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: an offensive player. How good did it feel to, you know,

821
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 5: in that zero four five season for you to lead

822
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 5: the league and stills be named first team All Defense

823
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 5: like those is like achievements that we all know.

824
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: It's very hard to come by. So how did that.

825
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: Feel to make those those achievements as defensive players?

826
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: Big?

827
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 4: Big, because I always pride myself on playing defense, like

828
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: you know, even before the accolades or whatnot. It's like,

829
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna just let you score on me or

830
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: do whatever you want to do. I mean, let's make

831
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 4: the game easy for you. So I'm gonna make the

832
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 4: game tough for you, and then I'm gonna try to

833
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 4: score on the other end. But to get rewarded for

834
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 4: that stuff, and you know what I'm saying, My hands

835
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: are tore up, man.

836
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: The fingers, you know, what I'm saying.

837
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: My hands.

838
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 5: One of them fingers against us on my jersey. Remember

839
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 5: you got your hand, cat like be hurting each other.

840
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: That was That was four or five season too. That

841
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: was a season I probably would have been an All Star. Yeah,

842
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 4: I broke my thumb, but that's that's part of defense.

843
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: Like I used my hands and like I got you know,

844
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: I got wounds because of you know what I enjoy doing.

845
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 4: It's like playing defense. So I'm you know, no regrets anybody.

846
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 5: To play against him, No, like you gonna here and

847
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: do the magic Johnson gribble, he come running up, I'm

848
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 5: gonna turn my back. I ain't even dribbling front an'y

849
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 5: abody to get me with the kid quickness.

850
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 4: I learned for some good ones, man, I learned for

851
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 4: some good ones over the years.

852
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of defensive moves from you. To

853
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: One of the defensive moves I learned from when the

854
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: guys on the wing and he's throwing it in the post,

855
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: I used to get extra low. As soon as he

856
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: throw it. I just jumped straight up and I was

857
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: like I seen him do it.

858
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: I was like, man, that work and get low.

859
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: So they be thinking like the angle when and they

860
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: visit and everythinking, Oh, I don't gotta put a little

861
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: arc on. I can just throw it kind of straight

862
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: and I jump extra ho steal it every time.

863
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: I'm trying to teach that to my kids these days, man,

864
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 4: how to anticipate that past.

865
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: So when you you go to Cleveland, Cleveland gave you

866
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: that said the bag he getting that seven and you

867
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: got a young Lebron and y'all make this run that

868
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: people didn't think that y'all was ready to make this run.

869
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: Y'all make this run through the playoffs. Y'all beat the

870
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: big bad Pistons. You know what I'm saying, y'all go

871
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: through all these teams to win. How was that that

872
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: playoff run for y'all? Like, go through the season, go

873
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: through the season of how we kind of click and

874
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: then when y'all got in the playoffs, it's kind of

875
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: just ran off.

876
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that old seventh season, I mean six

877
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: we had the same track. I mean, had to run

878
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: through Detroit as will and then and didn't make it.

879
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: But we learned, like we figured out how hard it is.

880
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: Like you watch the videos of Mike and he talked

881
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 4: about getting beat up and like what you got to

882
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 4: learn the next season that shit is real, Like you

883
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 4: have to figure out what the other team is doing

884
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: and what's actually gonna push you over the hump. And

885
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: for us, it was like we gotta stay together, that

886
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 4: we have to stay together. We have to figure out

887
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 4: how to play it's a tough defense as we can.

888
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 4: And we got to allow Bron to start to grow

889
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 4: into who Bron is gonna be. And so Mike, he

890
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 4: brought in Mike Brownie had brought in that San Antonio

891
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 4: offense where you know, they start to lift the big guy,

892
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: and that in turn, yeah, that in turn would just

893
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 4: give Bron more space when he's able to get downhill,

894
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: you know, and obviously make his repass this kick passes.

895
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: But that was the start of that. So that season

896
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 4: we knew that we had to play defense and allow

897
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: Bron to be who he's supposed to be.

898
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: To see Brian and young Brin back then so talent,

899
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: to see him triple double in all time thomb like,

900
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: how's it to see his career now? To see him

901
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: back then, see how he elevated, you.

902
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: Had to know Bron was gonna be great. Man. You

903
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, not only would the guy given

904
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 4: the ability, like the talent, like his physical like how

905
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: he looks when he walks in the room, like his brain.

906
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, his brain. Like early on,

907
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 4: we would I can remember taking flights and trips and everything,

908
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 4: and he would go and talk to everybody on the team,

909
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: all the guys on the team, David Wesley, you know

910
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, just to figure out what it was, Yeah,

911
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 4: what it takes for him to be successful. And you

912
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 4: never gonna be in that ninth tenth position to be

913
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: to do what this guy is telling you. But he

914
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 4: wants to know what it takes to make this guy

915
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: successful and the eighth man and seventh man and so on.

916
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 4: And I just knew he'd be, you know, be successful

917
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 4: from that just using his brain, man, because you know

918
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: the NBA that it's physical. But if you can't think

919
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 4: like you, you won't last year.

920
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: You don't got no I Q on he.

921
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: How was it?

922
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 5: Like you said you you guys had to allow him

923
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 5: that space to grow so for you guys to get

924
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 5: to the moment where you watch him go nuclear on

925
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 5: Detroit and like really going to mo where he couldn't

926
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 5: be stopped. Like at that point, that was the best

927
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 5: you had he had shown, Like what was that like

928
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: to sit and be a part of that series and

929
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 5: watching him take over and just world dominate like that,

930
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 5: especially a team like the Pistons, that the way they

931
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 5: were built.

932
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 4: It was special and out the front row seat. I

933
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: tore my plenty a fascio out of that that series.

934
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: So I was I could play like some of the games,

935
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 4: but the end of the games I wouldn't make it through.

936
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 5: Right.

937
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: So I'm watching and we're like, oh, ain't looking good

938
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: for us? And we still watching and we're still talking,

939
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 4: we still coming to the huddle, and he just focused

940
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: him Drew Good and they having conversations. You know, he

941
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 4: having conversations with him. Come on, Brin, come on Brian,

942
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 4: And before you know it, like he clicked in and

943
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: said I got it. And just watching him, you know

944
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Just you can watch the highlights of

945
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: day and just see how locked in he is. He

946
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: walking past people don't even know who it is, Like

947
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 4: he's just walking to the to the to the sideline

948
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 4: to sit down and wait for the time out to

949
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 4: be over so he can go back out and get

950
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: back to work special hepecially what Drew called him, Video

951
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 4: game James. That's where That's where it came from.

952
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: The Bulls when you got to Chicago. You know, that's

953
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: one that's one of the closest teams to the crib.

954
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: How was it?

955
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: You know, just you know, we grew up watching Mike

956
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: and Washington Bulls. How was it to put a Bulls

957
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: jersey on?

958
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: It was fun? Man, It was fun obviously, you know,

959
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: coming out of Cleveland. I I was dealing with a

960
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: lot of stuff coming out of Cleveland. It's my brother

961
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: passed in those six and ended up you know, playing

962
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: another year in Cleveland. But I couldn't focus there was

963
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: it was time to move. So being in Chicago it

964
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: was closer to home, which was good. I was able

965
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 4: to get home on my off days. Like I'm saying,

966
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: and I was I was a person, but I was like,

967
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: you know, going through you know, the thing of you

968
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 4: grieving and trying to figure out you know, you still

969
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 4: have fun hooping and playing basketball and you know what

970
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying, still making you know, a ton of money.

971
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: So I was still trying to figure stuff out. But

972
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 4: for me, it was good because it was closer to home,

973
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: and people could get up to me, you know what

974
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying, faster than they could anywhere else. Cleveland, you

975
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: couldn't get to Cleveland. You can get to Cleveland once

976
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 4: a day. Chicago you got, you got eight you know

977
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, you got eight times. But Chicago was

978
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 4: fun for me just for the fact that it was

979
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: it was closer home and also getting a chance to

980
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 4: just play.

981
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's speak on like the summertime or in Saint Louis,

982
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: like the Bonner League and stuff like that, playing against

983
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: some of the guys that come from a zoo or

984
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: Illinois or the guys in the area.

985
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: That what was the Bonner League for you?

986
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 4: That was where you again feel like how to fit in,

987
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: you know, how to figure it out. Like those are

988
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: older guys, those guys that they're gonna play, they're gonna

989
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: hoop in the gym and they're gonna sit back and

990
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: drink a six pack out in the park.

991
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: Just because you got a name, it don't matter.

992
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 4: You can kill it don't matter. It don't matter, especially

993
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: being you want to play in that league when you're

994
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: in high school because then you get a chance to

995
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 4: get the twenty five twenty six year olds that are

996
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 4: coming back from professional wherever they're coming from to figure out,

997
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: to test you, to figure out what's going on. So

998
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 4: for us man in Bonna League, we played the Bonnier

999
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: League a.

1000
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: As sean, Yeah, like these.

1001
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 4: Are the thing, like you can't get can't get that back,

1002
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: You can't get that back, Like I'm not sitting here

1003
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: if I don't play in the Bonner League. Like I'm

1004
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: not sitting here if I don't play in the gyms

1005
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 4: that I played in. You know what I'm saying. Growing up,

1006
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 4: it's just you just need it.

1007
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 5: Talk about coming down to Chicago in the summertime, posting

1008
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: up and being involved in hoops like we did, Like

1009
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 5: we talk about it all the time, Like those are

1010
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 5: somemer Like how you say you can't get that time

1011
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 5: that those are some of the most classic like hoop times.

1012
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 5: Like you know, just not just us, but other people

1013
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: that was involved in the We all talk about it,

1014
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 5: like how was that for you being down there being

1015
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 5: a part of that whole you know, that whole vibe

1016
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 5: that was going on the tg AD fluing.

1017
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: Being around workers for real, being around workers, man like

1018
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: iron Sharping's iron You hear that all the time. Like

1019
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 4: I was younger obviously and hadn't experienced much. But I mean,

1020
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: if you put a list of them guys that came

1021
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: through those those doors that you got a chance to,

1022
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 4: you know, work out with, train with Vibe, on five

1023
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: with Vibe with, hang out with Like there's some stories

1024
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: to be told, you know what I'm saying, Some stories

1025
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: to be told. So all these little pieces along my journey,

1026
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: man is like the hoops, gym and TG. I mean

1027
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 4: I got a story like before I left high school, well,

1028
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 4: when I was getting ready to leave high school to

1029
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: figure out the college situation. Now, I went to Chicago

1030
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 4: to work out with Tim and they set it up

1031
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 4: and you know, I went through the workout. Damn to

1032
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 4: kill me, but I went through the workout and walked

1033
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: in like closer towards the towards the end of the

1034
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: workout and just he just still there and had a

1035
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 4: conversation with with with Grover. Me and Grover had a conversation.

1036
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 4: He said, I think you need one more year.

1037
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: So that's it.

1038
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 4: Maybe the com maybe the comment came from m J.

1039
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: Maybe it was just Tims. You know what I'm saying, evaluation,

1040
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: but from hoops like I didn't. I didn't fail because

1041
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 4: I didn't say, all right, I'm not going to college,

1042
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 4: I'm going straight to the league. You know a lot

1043
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: of people don't survive when they go straight from the league,

1044
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 4: you know, from high school. So for me, you know,

1045
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 4: just speaking on the hoops gym and what it meant

1046
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: like it started, it started early on making me make

1047
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 4: the right decisions.

1048
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: Your best friend son is the All Star. Yeah, we

1049
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: we we seen him, a bad, little yellow boy that

1050
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: used to be in a gym on the side. We

1051
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: used to throw the little ball so he can play,

1052
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: so we can hoop. So now he he got muscles,

1053
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: you know what.

1054
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: I'm saying, one of them yo.

1055
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: You know, tator chip boxes and all that stuff to

1056
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: see the success and you know the times that that

1057
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: Jaden brought him to Philly to see your games. He's

1058
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: been in the locker room, the environment that his dad

1059
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: and you then brought him to the seating where I'm at. Now,

1060
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: how proud of of him you are?

1061
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: Oh man? Extremely?

1062
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1063
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: Extremely? Could we know how tough it is, like we

1064
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 4: know the distractions to come along with what he is

1065
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 4: trying to accomplish and what he's already accomplished. So I'm

1066
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 4: extremely proud of man, just for the fact that he

1067
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 4: keeps his circle tight. He keeps his MC taste, care

1068
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 4: of his mom, make sure she you know, she's straight,

1069
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: she got everything she needs. And he represents his hometown.

1070
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: He's always trying to give back, and I think he

1071
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 4: learned that. You know, he learned that from us. We

1072
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 4: taught him, you know, we taught him.

1073
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: Well.

1074
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: This whole movement and swag is definitely from from y'all.

1075
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: He moved exactly how y'all used to move and one

1076
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: of the.

1077
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: Most respectful young boys.

1078
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of him, just coming from another guy

1079
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: that's from our area, which always reminds me of you.

1080
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: It's Bradley Bill. Like his game, like the way he plays.

1081
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: He reminded me of you know, he getting buckets, now

1082
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: what he reminded me of older you when you used

1083
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: to get bucket.

1084
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: Do you see any similarities?

1085
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 4: I think, you know, with the size and he is

1086
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 4: he goes now he taking no, He's not taking no

1087
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: for answer.

1088
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: Your dribble is better than his dribble. He got better

1089
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: at the drill.

1090
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 4: And that's and that's it. Like he was, He's a

1091
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 4: kid that shot the basketball, shot the lacers off the basketball,

1092
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: could one or two dribble, but couldn't put combos and

1093
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: moves and change the direction together. Once he got into

1094
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 4: the league, he got locked in, he got hurt. He

1095
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: understood what it was gonna take for him to take

1096
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: that jump to make it to the next level, and

1097
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 4: he put that in his game. You know what I'm saying.

1098
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: Brad wouldn't have got it was gonna bounce that ball

1099
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: too many times.

1100
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, not at all.

1101
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 4: So now he's now his next.

1102
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: The point he can set it up.

1103
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: Now you got to turn to the defensive side.

1104
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all.

1105
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: Now he turned to the defensive side.

1106
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I want to speak one more thing,

1107
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: like miss Mama Hughes, you know, like I know how

1108
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: much she means to you. Like you'ven't been around my mama,

1109
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: and I've been around your mam. I know how much

1110
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Mama Hughes meaning you, how how important she was for

1111
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: you to be here to this day doing what you're

1112
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: doing and accomplished what you accomplished. Like just tell us

1113
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: about man that sacrifices Mama Hughes made for not only

1114
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: your your brother, and you know just the family in general,

1115
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: because any time she sees me, she'd be like calling me,

1116
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm ready.

1117
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's family, man, Yeah yeah, she's family.

1118
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1119
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 4: Raising obviously two boys and all the stuff that she

1120
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: was dealing with with my little brother. Like she she

1121
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 4: sacrificed a lot, you know what I'm saying. So I've

1122
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 4: seen her struggle even when she thought I didn't see

1123
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 4: her struggle. So for me, I'm I'm never gonna allow,

1124
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: you know, anything in my power to allow her to

1125
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 4: feel that she has to struggle again. Like everything is, yeah,

1126
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 4: every everything is for her because I know, like if

1127
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 4: I do wrong, they come and to ask her what

1128
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 4: are they doing? What your son doing? Now she got

1129
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 4: to deal with that. So that was my whole thing always,

1130
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 4: you know, just growing up is like Okay, how can

1131
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 4: I not put extra pressure on her? So now I

1132
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 4: was able to do that. Now I'm just giving her

1133
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 4: all the blessings and all the love that I can,

1134
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, just because I wouldn't be

1135
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 4: here without her, You know what I'm saying, I wouldn't

1136
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 4: be here. She gave me this car that she was

1137
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 4: driving around and when I was a junior in high school.

1138
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 4: She didn't have a car. She gave me the car.

1139
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 4: She was going to figure out how to get her

1140
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: another car to get to work. So you know what

1141
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Everything I do, I do it for.

1142
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: So look I don't know, like people don't really know this.

1143
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 5: But like the original tattoo right here to let and

1144
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 5: one man right he went and got it later. I

1145
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 5: was first, though, but now this man here is responsible

1146
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 5: for this.

1147
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: I'm a sophomore in high school.

1148
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 5: Like I say, we used to cross paths with the

1149
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 5: Saint Louis Eagles and all that we was in Saint Louis.

1150
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 5: We are out there playing in the tournament. Big man

1151
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 5: on cap and pull up him and justin him, big

1152
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 5: tack pull up. They fresh out this TATTOOSI you got

1153
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 5: the little plastic on your legs up here, but this

1154
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 5: one was an older tattoo.

1155
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, that boy got damn.

1156
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 5: One man with the Saint lu I say, boom, that's

1157
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 5: what I'm getting. Straight to the crib and one man

1158
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 5: shot down finus you feel me? You started that, Then

1159
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 5: I got it, Then you got it. He got it third,

1160
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 5: all three of us, and I got it because both

1161
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 5: of y'all got exactly. So when you first got it,

1162
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 5: had to make sure it's like I gave you that

1163
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 5: credit and that salute because that was the first tattoo

1164
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 5: I ever got. Sat I was like, yeah, no, cause,

1165
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 5: like I say, it was Bug and Mikey, Mikey Robinson.

1166
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 5: There was the superstars that we like could see in

1167
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 5: touch and like, y'all like it, it's achievable, Like y'all

1168
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 5: pull up in the expedition, I'm like, who we got

1169
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 5: a pull up?

1170
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: Like adding Bug you know what I'm saying, went home

1171
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: straight home.

1172
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 5: Got the tack right after that immediately, and you know,

1173
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 5: love my oldest son, you know, he had value, you know.

1174
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, I didn't got mine covered up too.

1175
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 4: I got a dragon over over.

1176
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 5: Yeah I gotta cover up. Yeah, I'm joining to the

1177
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 5: death of me. But I just you know, it's just

1178
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 5: it's part of the story. So you know it just

1179
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 5: it just end up signing with the brand you did

1180
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 5: you actually signed? We was close. We never did. Mike

1181
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 5: pulled up straight up out of that. It was right

1182
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 5: before about the half we down and joining.

1183
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: He said, what's all this all? I am everything that

1184
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: we try to.

1185
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 4: Get, y'all to join the family. We try to get y'all.

1186
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: Them little slides, so the little fitty slides. It was

1187
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: nice after the work.

1188
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: We grew up with the braids and tattooed. We part

1189
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: of the culture of hip hop and all that. To

1190
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: hear your name and a rap song, you know what

1191
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying to I was blessed to being one of

1192
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: them songs with you. But to hear your name in

1193
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: a rap song and hear rappers saying your name, so

1194
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: f F, how was that?

1195
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: That's cool? Man, That's cool just for the fact that

1196
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 4: they can relate, They can relate to what you do.

1197
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 4: They can relate. So it's something in they feeld. The's

1198
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: something in their verse or something in their lifestyle that

1199
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 4: remind you of or remind you of them. So when

1200
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 4: you can get that and they can put that out on,

1201
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: you know, to the world, right into the world. And

1202
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: that's still coming up. I mean, we still get Beanie

1203
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 4: anytime I'm doing anything in Philly, talking about anything in Philly,

1204
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 4: you get to you know, deduce one ball h you

1205
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: know from Beanie, you know all the time. So that's

1206
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 4: that's locked in.

1207
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: Holdo bro.

1208
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 5: He leveled up though he took it a step further

1209
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 5: than just getting mentioned.

1210
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: He was he was the video work.

1211
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was using the video work.

1212
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 3: He's a video work.

1213
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: When I saw that man standing next, I made it.

1214
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 4: I made a cameo.

1215
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: Man, Man, he was the video baby man. Look man,

1216
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: he was in there.

1217
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 5: I forgot all about Heeo.

1218
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 4: I did it.

1219
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: I did it.

1220
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 4: I did it.

1221
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: I did Let's talk about the Academy, Larry Hughes Academy.

1222
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: You know, I hate that, Like when we was younger,

1223
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: we didn't have the ogs to kind of put us

1224
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: in to been doing stuff like that, and you know

1225
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: the stuff that we do now, the work we do

1226
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: now from the high school games store, the Academy, you know,

1227
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we do more and more. We

1228
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: was doing stuff, but we weren't doing it at the

1229
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: degree that we were doing. And now the Academy, like

1230
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: like that's big for Saint Louis, Like what do that

1231
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: mean for you? How proud of you of the Academy

1232
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: and like where it's going and just to have it

1233
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: back at the crib knowing what kids like us go through.

1234
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 4: Man, I'm very proud of it because I know the

1235
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 4: hard work and you know the amount of hours and

1236
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 4: the dollars that are spend to try to make, you know,

1237
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 4: experience that young people can remember and something that they'll

1238
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 4: use to if they don't play basketball, they're a doctor,

1239
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: they're a lawyer, they play baseball, they play soccer. Like

1240
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 4: we teaching obviously fundamental basketball, but we want to talk

1241
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 4: to you about who you are as a person, or

1242
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 4: what do you think is a good person or when

1243
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 4: you see somebody that does something good for your bad

1244
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 4: for you, how do you identify with what that person did,

1245
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 4: Because I'm like, that's going to take you further than

1246
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 4: this ball bouncing. Like, if you cannot start to identify

1247
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 4: who you are as a person, you know you can

1248
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 4: you can live longer, you know, you can live happier,

1249
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 4: you know, just knowing you know who you are. So

1250
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: basketball is just that tool, just that vehicle.

1251
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 5: And you got a couple of couple of facilities. Now

1252
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 5: you started with one and you up to just two

1253
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 5: or to three.

1254
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we actually expanding the brand and Saint Louis

1255
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 4: will have four locations. We got two that's open right now.

1256
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 4: And then we're actually working with you know, people across

1257
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: the country to do basketball academies like those that want

1258
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 4: to get involved before all of this. Yeah, no, but

1259
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 4: it's it's a good operation. It's a good operation. I've

1260
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 4: been working this so I've kind of figured out, you know,

1261
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 4: what makes the most sense. We talk about space and

1262
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 4: you know, square footage and all of that, like all

1263
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 4: the business stuff that goes along with it, like you

1264
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 4: gotta do that. But the main part is for the kids.

1265
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 4: I guess for the kids, like if I do good

1266
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 4: business putting something in place, then they can enjoy forever.

1267
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 4: Like if I do bad business, they probably enjoyed for

1268
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 4: three five years and it's gone. So I'm trying to

1269
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 4: do good business, put good places in you know, good

1270
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 4: facilities in place, and have them you know, enjoy enjoy life.

1271
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: They legalized Illinois and Missouri and you know, like our

1272
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: has viola, How was it to what made you come

1273
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: to the decision like you want to partner up with

1274
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: him and and create viola dispensaries in in Missouri and

1275
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: getting that part of of a business.

1276
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 4: Whatever, that's that's black business. That's black excellence, you know

1277
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. That's that's when when we can find

1278
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 4: the industry that that we can thrive in and we

1279
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: get together and we do it like I mean, that's

1280
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: that's really what it was about. I've been watching Al

1281
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 4: do his thing for a number of years and that's

1282
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 4: not necessarily my industry, right you know what I'm saying,

1283
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 4: I don't know the ins and out to the business,

1284
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 4: but he do so anything that he knows. I feel like,

1285
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying that he needs faces, he

1286
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 4: needs people to step up, and that's, you know, that's

1287
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 4: what I'm here for. So it was more so of

1288
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 4: starting a trend like getting you know, getting guys to

1289
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 4: look like us that that feel the same way as us.

1290
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 4: Business good business together, ye do good business. So that's

1291
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,479
Speaker 4: that's really what it is. Man. That's an opportunity to introduce, uh,

1292
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 4: you know, the realistic approach to to to wellness, you know,

1293
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 4: the overall you know, not just you know, going to

1294
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 4: the hospital. You know, there's just different ways of of

1295
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: healing yourself and providing things that that of comfort for you.

1296
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 4: So I'm with that, you know, I support that.

1297
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: You know, some people just think about when you say

1298
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: the campus is just all about a blunt or it's

1299
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: all about a different way to smoke, but it's it's

1300
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: it's it's edibles. It's different like stuff that you take

1301
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: that that's.

1302
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: Better than that. You know what I'm saying.

1303
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: It's pain medicine and it helps you like cope with something,

1304
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: the pain and stuff like that. It's not all about

1305
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: just rolling the blunt.

1306
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 4: No, it's a lifestyle. Yeah, it's a lifestyle. I mean

1307
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 4: people go through that day like struggling. Yeah, people go

1308
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 4: through their day struggling. Yeah, you know with different things

1309
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 4: that are introduced to me. You never know how that

1310
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 4: support you. Yeah, so yeah, I look at it as

1311
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 4: a positive.

1312
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 5: So you just got to watch your son, Junior Larry

1313
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 5: Larry Hughes Jr. Do something that you and you in

1314
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 5: Big Tech got to achieve. Like how did that feel

1315
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 5: watching your son go on his basketball journey and now

1316
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 5: he get to come and win the state championship at

1317
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 5: jo alma mater, same high school plan for your best?

1318
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like both of y'all in

1319
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 5: the history books that that forever, Like how did that feel?

1320
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: It's special?

1321
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: Man, because it's his right, Like it's his journey. I

1322
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 4: make sure that I can let him know, you know,

1323
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 4: to cherish the journey, but it's it's his ride. Like

1324
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 4: all this the hours that he wakes up and you know,

1325
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 4: gets to the gym, you know, the stuff that he

1326
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: puts his body through, the treatment that he has to do,

1327
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 4: Like that's all a part of like your journey like

1328
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 4: where you're trying to go. So it's for me, it's

1329
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 4: you get a chance to win your last high school

1330
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 4: basketball game. And that's that's really what I was stressing

1331
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 4: to him the whole time, Like, yes, you get your

1332
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 4: name on that banner, but nobody can take that away

1333
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 4: from you when you talk about you know, basketball, and

1334
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: especially in Saint Louis, bro when you get to Saint Louis,

1335
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 4: Like what high school you go to? Well, you go

1336
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 4: into high school? You want to stay title. That's like

1337
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 4: even more you know on the cake.

1338
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 5: And how dope is it to see you know, the

1339
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 5: relationship that you know, like obviously you and you and

1340
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 5: justin how you guys grew up to see Jason although

1341
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 5: he's in the NBA, Like how when he comes home

1342
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 5: the Larry attached to him at the at the hip

1343
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 5: and they go work out and how they how they relationship.

1344
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 5: How good does that feel to see that that just

1345
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 5: has its own natural course and they locked down the

1346
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 5: way that.

1347
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 4: It's good man, it's good. You know, I got my

1348
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 4: daughter's twenty three, so they're they're right at the same age.

1349
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 4: So they've grown up together. They've grown up together, so

1350
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 4: they are reaching and going different paths in their life.

1351
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: And this guy is on the you know, one of

1352
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 4: the faces of the NBA. So that's I mean, that's huge,

1353
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 4: especially for my son growing up, like he wants to

1354
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 4: aspire to be one of those guys. So to see

1355
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 4: a guy that come from where he's from, you know,

1356
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: the same yeah, yeah, the same tull of the same

1357
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 4: conversations that you know, we had with Little J we

1358
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 4: had with with with with my son, the same conversations

1359
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 4: Ted had with Little J. He having with my son,

1360
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 4: all of them, all of them, the good ones and

1361
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 4: the bad ones.

1362
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 5: And now Jay himself get to have some conversations with

1363
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 5: him and pouring to him.

1364
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's.

1365
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: How was it to see in the circuit of Saint

1366
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: Louis High school basketball to see your guys, most of

1367
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: your friends, head coaches at different schools playing to give

1368
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: each other like we didn't see that, We didn't see

1369
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: nothing like that was far from it. But to see

1370
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: them be head coaches having success at these schools and

1371
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, doing a great hell of a job.

1372
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 4: Like I'm dealing with kids, you know what I'm saying,

1373
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 4: I'm dealing with kids on the daily. I'm trying to

1374
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 4: get the kids to do the right thing to you know,

1375
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 4: to be respectful and all those things that's going to

1376
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 4: make them successful in life. So when you're a high

1377
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 4: school coach, especially in saying you're in the school system.

1378
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're in the school system.

1379
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 4: So you're doing something right, Like you sacrifice whatever it

1380
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 4: is to you know, to give back to these fifteen guys.

1381
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 4: Even a lot of these guys don't necessarily like to

1382
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 4: be in a school system, but they're in the school

1383
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 4: system and they got a class or they you know,

1384
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 4: they got to do something where they're yeah, with other

1385
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 4: students other than their basketball kids. So actually I commend them, guys, man,

1386
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 4: in order to make that commitment to be in the

1387
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 4: school system and knowing how tough the school system is,

1388
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 4: because you want to give back, you know, in a

1389
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 4: basketball space. I mean, that's huge for those guys.

1390
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: Who's some of the guys that you grew up watching,

1391
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's from saying was where they was

1392
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: in the NBA that you kind of pad in your

1393
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: game and you looked and you took a little piece

1394
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: from her and the piece there.

1395
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 3: Who was some of the guys that you grew up watching.

1396
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: I think growing up we had Penny, Yeah, you know,

1397
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 4: we had Penny. Penny was like my favorite guy until

1398
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 4: we played him in the playoffs when he was in Orlando,

1399
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 4: and then I just didn't know who Penny was. But

1400
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 4: growing up, man Penny was the guy obviously in Memphis

1401
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 4: and that Conference USA stuff, but he was one of

1402
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 4: the guy, I mean, probably the main guy for me.

1403
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 4: You know that I would start to take things away

1404
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 4: and then anybody that was you know, my size, you know,

1405
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 4: same sort of body type. Lawrence Moten was a guy.

1406
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 4: Karen Kittles was another guy. Like these guys that, Yeah,

1407
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 4: these guys that were you know, kind of built like me,

1408
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 4: you know, because I can always point to like if

1409
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 4: he did it then and I can do it like

1410
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 4: you're saying this about me, But he did it, he

1411
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 4: already did it. So those are the guys that, you

1412
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, I kind of paid attention to more.

1413
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 5: I like to ask this question obviously, you know you

1414
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 5: talked about you took care of mom, Dukes and the family, this,

1415
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 5: that and the third.

1416
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: But you know, me and this guy kind of know.

1417
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: So you know, I won't know what book.

1418
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 5: Well for everybody else, they won't know, Like what did

1419
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 5: Bug do when he got that bag? Like you know,

1420
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 5: like you said, we all did some stuff that we

1421
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 5: probably you know, wouldn't do at this point, but it

1422
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 5: felt damn good at the time.

1423
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the homie trips, man, Yeah, the homeboy trips. It's

1424
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 4: six of us, right, so that I got six flights,

1425
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 4: we got six hotel.

1426
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: Rooms if I gotta get their own room.

1427
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 4: So that's what that's where I spent the bag at. Like,

1428
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 4: if I'm an experience it, we all going experience it,

1429
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 4: you know. And then later on, obviously as we you know,

1430
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 4: we got enough experiences then I was able to dial

1431
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 4: it back a little bit. Two might go, three might go.

1432
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 4: But early on, man, everybody's there.

1433
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta personally take a time out to

1434
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 5: thank my man. You know what I'm saying you don't

1435
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 5: got to participating is thank you because you didn't reap

1436
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 5: the benefits. Take you back to you know, after we

1437
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 5: just got drafted, we had Zoe summer greed. We then

1438
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 5: stayed a whole week at Alonzo More in his house.

1439
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 2: We kicking it.

1440
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 5: He broke he he crashed the jets geek Zoe didn't

1441
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 5: make us pay. You know, Zoe, big pockets hedn't make

1442
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 5: us pay.

1443
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 2: He just took it. I know, he was passed.

1444
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 3: He crashed.

1445
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: He went over.

1446
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 5: Some some some stuff and he damaged. Yeah, he went

1447
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 5: over some shipwrecked and he damaged it. Trying to be

1448
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 5: a stunt whatever. But so fast forward. We was there

1449
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 5: the whole week doing the camps in the you know

1450
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 5: y'all big big shots didn't come into the weekend for

1451
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 5: the festivity. So he messed around and caught the chicken

1452
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 5: pox from one of the kids at the dog on

1453
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 5: the camps. This is the best ever he caught the

1454
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 5: chicken pox. He was there all the way up until

1455
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 5: the action truly started. We did get to go out

1456
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 5: with tub d tho, like on the Tuesday sunn first

1457
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 5: day we went out with Treat Day.

1458
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: We saw him at the little comedy club.

1459
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: The day before we all supposed to go all that,

1460
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: and then I just got.

1461
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: Say get shick. So me and Rio still showed up.

1462
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 2: You have Bug got us like this. Listen. Yes, I'm

1463
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: happy if you want to hear that.

1464
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 5: It's my first time listen, world, the first time I'm

1465
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 5: ever about to experience some NBA ish and go out

1466
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 5: with some with some big shot dudes. My man bug

1467
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 5: pull us in the limbo with none other than Ai.

1468
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 5: Oh shit, it's over right there. That was it for me.

1469
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 5: But not only didn't remember ay I went. I had

1470
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 5: the little bull. I had like a diamond cutch I

1471
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 5: hadn't got. We hadn't got off NBA a package. Yet

1472
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 5: we still had a little college and high school stuff.

1473
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 5: Y'all looked at me, He looked.

1474
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 3: At my chain.

1475
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 5: He like, get his homeboy, said, man, go get my

1476
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 5: number three, buddy, come back down with the big boy

1477
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 5: diamond number three. He takes my number three off and

1478
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 5: put that one. I'm god, now I'm floating. I'm floating.

1479
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 5: I'm floating everywhere. I'm like, look, you can't tell me nothing.

1480
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 5: Get back in the room. I'm like, boy, we busting

1481
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 5: on him and he don't want to hear nothing. He

1482
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 5: end up getting oatmeal, baths and stuff. Whatever they was

1483
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 5: giving you skin.

1484
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: He was so mad.

1485
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 4: Was paying it forward. Man, You know that the year

1486
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 4: before that it was Antoine and Juan took care of us.

1487
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 5: Right same way, and that was like you remember, like

1488
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 5: you remember, like that was like like Zoe's Summer Grooves

1489
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 5: was like an all Star Yeah, like that's what I

1490
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 5: couldn't believe. Like when we got there. You remember when

1491
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 5: we were sitting at the bar hanging out, it was

1492
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 5: like Twaan, walk up, Bob, sir, you ivery Sin. It

1493
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 5: was just like I'm sitting here like it's the fucking

1494
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 5: All Stars right here.

1495
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 4: Definitely early on was.

1496
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 5: This was there right after the dunk content was like

1497
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 5: this is like the Who's who pat u n GP.

1498
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 5: It was like, dude, this is the craziest thing to ever.

1499
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 5: And it was like, you know, we was embraced because

1500
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 5: we was a young boy. Y'all go out there and

1501
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 5: do like I'm like whatever, man like we was like

1502
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 5: it was that was that was Zoe's Summer Groove was legendary.

1503
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 2: Bro. The ain't nothing like that going on in the league.

1504
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 5: And nowhere not Like everything was ultra first class, like

1505
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 5: it was super.

1506
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: It was fun. That was like people look forward to

1507
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: that for real.

1508
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1509
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: Most definitely start bench cut, start bench trade, uh trade, Okay, a.

1510
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 3: Y, I ain't d Wade, mhm, Reality, Oh start bench trade.

1511
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 4: I gotta start the AI.

1512
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: I gotta.

1513
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 4: Gotta bench d Wade said it in order I got

1514
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: a bench, Wade, I gotta I gotta trade.

1515
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 3: Reality got a trade real okay, even.

1516
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 4: Know even though that I was wearing number twenty because

1517
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 4: of Reality two in the league.

1518
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, m Saint Louis, the movie is Saint Louis, Like,

1519
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: like I said, it was guys in Saint Louis, like

1520
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: Bonner and Jojo English, the guys that was way way

1521
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: before our time. You was like the guy that kind

1522
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: of started a movement of like guys coming coming out

1523
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: or guys coming from the guys going to big colleges

1524
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: like and I hate kind of saying that because Curlwell

1525
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: went to Duke and Lauryn went to wait for us

1526
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: and to Howdie went to Georgetown. But like after that

1527
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: it started being a nice little rush. Now instead of

1528
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: we getting one, then three years later we get another one,

1529
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: then three years later we get another one. Now it's like,

1530
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: oh we got two going all. We got one going

1531
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: this place, one get going this place.

1532
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 3: How is that to you know?

1533
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: To see where the Saint Louis basketball is now from

1534
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: the time where you was coming out of high school

1535
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: going Yeah.

1536
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 4: I think I think now they like if you projected

1537
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 4: to be a pro. Yeah, Like I think I don't

1538
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 4: know if Lauryn was projected to be a pro. I

1539
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 4: don't know if Howdy was projected to be a pro.

1540
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1541
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,919
Speaker 4: But they were going to the top name schools. Yeah,

1542
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 4: but I don't think that that was you know, I'm

1543
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 4: saying the energy around them at the time. Yeah, so

1544
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 4: I think and then obviously me coming along, it's a

1545
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 4: little bit more exposure, you know, year after year, a

1546
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 4: little bit more exposure happening, you get more right ups

1547
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 4: and whatnot. I think it was just an evolution of

1548
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 4: the time, you know what I'm saying, evolution of the time.

1549
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 4: Now you got social media saying nobody's unfound, nobody's unfound.

1550
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 4: Anybody in our city right now, they can get out

1551
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 4: to the world anywhere.

1552
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: You gotta realize, like, like, coming from where we came from,

1553
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: you didn't have guys going to Kansas, Duke, North Carolina,

1554
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: like like that wasn't no regular thing or Kentucky or

1555
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: all these different places. And now that you see this

1556
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: all the time coming out of Saint Louis.

1557
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, you say and look at me like that

1558
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 2: Saint Louis.

1559
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 5: But he was the reason that I knew I could

1560
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 5: go to Depaut well one hundred percent, one million percent.

1561
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: I watched him do it.

1562
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 5: He went to a team that was basically like DePaul

1563
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 5: was terrible before he got there, and he went in

1564
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 5: there and turned that thing upset down and couldn't look

1565
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 5: when I left, And like I say, it was it

1566
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,520
Speaker 5: was we was parallel. Like I saw him. I was.

1567
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 5: I was able to see and touch him, and like

1568
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 5: when I'm with Butler with Au and my coach, I'm like,

1569
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 5: he was a reference when we meet d Miles and

1570
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 5: not the mas d Gates and see that we talking

1571
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 5: about going to mar Cat or whatever we like. No,

1572
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 5: we could do this right here in the conference USA.

1573
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 2: Bull just did it.

1574
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 5: And my thinking at the time like I ain't standing

1575
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 5: on up nowhere longer than one like, especially after I

1576
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 5: had then got further with buy some proteins over Au,

1577
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 5: like at the NBA in night Camp, I was like, nah,

1578
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want it done.

1579
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1580
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 5: I didn't account for I was gonna get there and

1581
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 5: have that much fun and be like feeling like the

1582
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 5: city is man and want the.

1583
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 2: Stable like I totally I did with Bug.

1584
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm about to go here, tear it up,

1585
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 5: and I'll be able to make my choice at the

1586
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 5: end of the year and go if I want to.

1587
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 5: And I was at the end of the year. I

1588
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 5: could have win if I wanted to, just like he did.

1589
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 5: Wy wouldn't win his has you right there in that.

1590
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 4: Year, but like I could have dealt ye can't be done.

1591
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: He showed he was the example. Like Bro.

1592
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 5: He didn't go to a school that was about to

1593
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 5: be top ten. He went to a school in a

1594
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 5: conference where they was gonna have to see him and

1595
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 5: he was gonna have his chance to prove. And then

1596
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 5: the other point with my coach Pat Kennedy, I knew

1597
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 5: that he was booking in. He said, if you come,

1598
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 5: we're gonna get these games, like we already in Confege USA.

1599
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 5: But once I signed and we had the number one

1600
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 5: recruiting class, we had Duke Kansas, we played all of

1601
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 5: these teams we had home and the ways we played them,

1602
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 5: so it was like, yeah, the scouts is coming to

1603
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 5: see whoever they got, they come to see Eldon shae them.

1604
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 5: That game United Center we played my freshman year was

1605
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 5: the biggest college game like attendance wise in the history

1606
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 5: of the state period at the United States. Sold out,

1607
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 5: standing room moment. We got our ass be and I

1608
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 5: was out. Listen. I was with it, go look at it.

1609
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 5: I was tent for tat for about the first fourteen

1610
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 5: points and then the bottom dropped out of that thing.

1611
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 5: I was going, but I was, I'm telling you, I

1612
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 5: was turned up.

1613
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 3: I was Charlie spoona.

1614
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: I was the first coach to ever come to a

1615
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: game and say he was coming to see me my

1616
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: sophomore year, Like, how was it playing for Charlie's Spoon?

1617
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 4: That was my guy? That was my guy. Man Spoon was.

1618
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 4: He was a you know, little country dude, you know

1619
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Southeast, But he was just like, you know,

1620
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 4: he had a he had a little story for everything

1621
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 4: he was. You know, you was feeling that you was

1622
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 4: going through, or he gave you something about a bull,

1623
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 4: or he gave you some about an ugly kid, or

1624
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 4: he always gave you something that like made you think

1625
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 4: about you know what I'm saying, what he said, instead

1626
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 4: of instead of what you actually going through. You know

1627
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, even if it was you know, he

1628
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 4: always talked about the Doyle, this little kid named Doyle.

1629
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 4: When you do these talks, you know a kid had

1630
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 4: was an ugly kid for years and years and years,

1631
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 4: and he would apologize and for calling this kid ugly.

1632
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 4: And then one day he popped up in a conference

1633
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 4: where coach was doing the speech and he called the

1634
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 4: kid ugly to his face. But it's like them little stories.

1635
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, Spoon ain't all that bad man.

1636
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 4: He's a little short white dude, but he ain't. He

1637
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 4: ain't that bad.

1638
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I just like Spoon.

1639
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: Spoon first coach came to see me, told me like, nah,

1640
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: I came over here to specifically see see you. And

1641
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: he like, man, he used to give me, always give

1642
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: me tickets to the game, let me park in the

1643
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,879
Speaker 1: coaches those day.

1644
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 5: I was playing like coaches had those relationships with some

1645
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 5: of the college coach Like that was how I got

1646
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 5: to know. Like we went to Crider Camp when we

1647
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 5: was in eighth grade. That was at Cincinnati. We went

1648
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 5: That's when my first met coach Larry Harrison and Bob Huggins.

1649
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: That was why I ended up going depat.

1650
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 5: Because Larry Harrison I had known him since eighth grade

1651
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 5: and then it was like he was following our AAU

1652
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 5: team the whole time. So it was like he knew

1653
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 5: who was who he was recruiting all of us. So

1654
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 5: he was heavy on the trail. He had like an

1655
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 5: end before he even knew it was the end.

1656
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 4: That's how it go. That's how I go. And relationships

1657
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 4: like like Spoon being who he was and being from

1658
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 4: southeast like he was a straight country guy that mixed.

1659
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 4: He mixed right in.

1660
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 3: From all the teams that you don play with.

1661
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: If you could pick four guys that you would pick

1662
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: a team with to play with out of every team

1663
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: you played your whole career, who would beat them?

1664
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 3: Four guys you would pick?

1665
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 4: Uh, we gotta do a position. We got we got

1666
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 4: big Z at the five, got Brian at the four,

1667
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 4: We got Al at the one, check at the one

1668
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 4: and the three. I'm gonna throw my man stack Jack

1669
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 4: in there.

1670
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: Charlotte, Charlotte.

1671
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 4: So Charlotte, that's my that's my that's my three right there.

1672
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 4: That's my three man right there.

1673
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah, that would be a crazy, crazy five right there.

1674
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: Brian can keep y'all in control.

1675
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 4: Man, that's it.

1676
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 3: This ain't for you Q.

1677
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: You know us defenders like today's today's era of like

1678
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: how they take the defense away, Like how how hard

1679
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 1: do you think it is for a defender to actually

1680
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: really play d in this era?

1681
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 4: Extremely?

1682
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:53,959
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1683
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 4: Extremely, I mean extremely. You got guys, I mean it outlies.

1684
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 4: You got guys like a thireble, like who are gonna

1685
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 4: make multiple efforts just like because that's what he does

1686
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 4: and he's a young guy in the league. But it's

1687
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 4: hard to run around and chase guys around for ten years.

1688
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 4: At some point in time, you got to hit somebody.

1689
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 4: You gotta stop somebody from running, like that's what you

1690
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 4: got to do. So they making the game like, you know,

1691
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 4: a younger game. But yeah, man, that's you can't play defense.

1692
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 4: You can't play defenses. Shoot the three and get the layups.

1693
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a question. We off defense now, that's.

1694
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 4: How that's how do you that's how do you may.

1695
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: We know he we won a defender, so he wouldn't

1696
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: It sounds like we brought, you know, to him.

1697
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: That's like defense, the real ones. I'm not gonna get

1698
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 2: caught up in his shananigans.

1699
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 3: How was it when you played with MJ?

1700
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: Because I know he's the rock stares of all rock stars, Like,

1701
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: how was that playing with Mike?

1702
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 3: You know, somebody we look up to like that.

1703
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I don't use these words too often,

1704
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 4: but it was like one of them dreams, you know

1705
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, when of them dreams had come true?

1706
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 4: Like because I had a relationship or knew of him

1707
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 4: before I actually got a chance to play with him,

1708
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 4: that's the best thing you can ask for. And I

1709
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 4: came right in when he was leaving. I we were

1710
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 4: at you know, going through the draft process when he

1711
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 4: was playing his last series against Utah, so I've seen

1712
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 4: all of that. So then to get a chance, you know,

1713
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 4: years later to go play with him, and that's all

1714
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 4: of the comments of you know, you know how hard

1715
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 4: he was on you know, players and what you know.

1716
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 4: I you know, I enjoyed all that because I just

1717
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 4: wanted to be around and see like what everybody was

1718
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 4: talking about how hard he is on teammates and how

1719
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 4: hard he worked, like he really like MJ is, like

1720
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 4: really that's why he is who he is.

1721
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: YEA he assessed with.

1722
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 5: That's like at any point because you saw you guys

1723
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 5: to see him like every day all that at this

1724
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 5: point did the glow of or not be there?

1725
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 4: Never?

1726
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 2: Never?

1727
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 4: Man, listen, listen.

1728
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 2: Him every day every day coming he still got the leroy.

1729
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 3: That's how every time like he got that glow.

1730
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 4: My seat was down and he was, you know, probably

1731
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 4: about three four seats down. And I watch him every

1732
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 4: day we walk in and you know, I know how

1733
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 4: he grabbed his stuff to put it on top of

1734
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 4: I got, I got all of that. That's the stuff

1735
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 4: that I was actually watching, like him being on the

1736
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 4: court and were talking about the age and all that stuff,

1737
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 4: but like like his whole like mystique and how he

1738
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 4: carried hisself and the time when he went out to

1739
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 4: the court and the time he went to the training room.

1740
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, how he was able to

1741
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 4: he was staying at the rich and like when nobody

1742
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 4: see him because it's like he had a deal to

1743
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 4: get down to his car and get right to the arena.

1744
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 4: Like he never basically never touched the street. He just

1745
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 4: would go through the end up at the arena.

1746
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 3: Man.

1747
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that that was my experience playing with him.

1748
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 4: I was looking at all the other things.

1749
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 2: How was it you that was the last year right

1750
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: before he retire. So I've heard stories about like.

1751
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 5: The last how very many games, how everybody was just poaching,

1752
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 5: trying to ask them for different stuff, get stuff, trying

1753
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 5: like did you get anything?

1754
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 2: And how was it?

1755
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 5: Just witness how that went down because I heard people

1756
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 5: trying to get they warm up signed, They used to

1757
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 5: do anything like when they knew it was coming down

1758
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 5: to the last and everything.

1759
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, my grandmother came up, my mom

1760
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 4: came up. They all got pictures, they all got signed pictures.

1761
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 4: Everything we are in I got, you know, I got

1762
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 4: about I mean I got about ten or so jerseys

1763
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 4: at the house of just different players. I ain't got

1764
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 4: your jersey yet, my guy, I got you. I got

1765
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 4: about ten jerseys up man. And MJ's up there obviously

1766
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 4: do you know you up there? But that's that's what

1767
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 4: I got signed from MJ. And that's you know, that's

1768
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 4: at my house.

1769
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to be on the Wall of

1770
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: Fame with us, like like you know, send us.

1771
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: One us Yeah, sending him one.

1772
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:54,480
Speaker 3: Okay.

1773
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 5: I just first of all, let me tell you let

1774
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 5: me tell you how, like I don't even got nothing

1775
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 5: of my own clip of joke. You know who had him,

1776
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 5: and it ain't because of him, because Mama Miles. Mama

1777
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 5: Moles had like four of my joints and all the

1778
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 5: other ones Nick Jersey she had. Look he like, man,

1779
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,959
Speaker 5: I just found like like six or seven of your jerseys,

1780
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 5: like that's Mama Miles Jersey.

1781
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 2: About the lays like oh two oh three, she got

1782
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 2: the years all.

1783
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 4: Of them, telling her no, what jersey? You got the jersey?

1784
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 5: Right?

1785
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 2: Man? You know that ain't for real? That was the truth.

1786
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't because of him.

1787
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: But you know, man, how you how you just go

1788
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 1: this wee like I'm know what brought you your jersey though.

1789
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 2: I first of all, I came up your house to

1790
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: get him. You didn't bring them to me.

1791
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,440
Speaker 5: Okay, they were preserved and they were in your possession

1792
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 5: purely because of your mama. But I kept you'll go

1793
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 5: through because of your mama, dumb serious and had jerseys

1794
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 5: because of your mama, just like you got all of

1795
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 5: our games because your mama.

1796
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 2: You didn't keep them.

1797
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 5: I respect that, man, Thank you now, Like I was

1798
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 5: as I was about to say it's been dope years old.

1799
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: We got some dope sponsors. We got it. You know

1800
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. We got It's too late. We already

1801
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: in the vibe. Mister Hennessy v s O P with

1802
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 2: them people on the back.

1803
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 4: Okay, they got the blackest one next to the boy.

1804
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 2: You know, I got me and my oldest son right there. Man,

1805
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 2: We appreciate you. Yes, long ass coming close the table.

1806
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,480
Speaker 2: That's it man, live on location.

1807
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 5: We got we got, we got STIs heard, we got

1808
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 5: Saint Louis in the building, Larry Hughes.

1809
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: All right.

1810
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,120
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