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Speaker 1: kind of party. Welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansens, and

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by room filled with heroes Mark Settler, Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling and Greg Rose. I thought, what boys, what has happening?

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Speaker 1: The kind of party west does not like? Is our

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Speaker 1: Thanks for behaving yourself this year after last year set well.

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Speaker 1: of the improvisational stuff that you see on the field,

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Speaker 1: some of that is calculated, Like he is kind of

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Speaker 1: like crafty, like a fox, Like he understands some of

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Speaker 1: the stuff that's going on. Now, the big thing for

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Speaker 1: him going forward is can he play within the confines

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Speaker 1: of the offense enough that Kyle Shanahan can build a

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Speaker 1: game plan for him to be effective. The tough thing

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Speaker 1: with guys who like to run around and like to

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Speaker 1: kind of flee the pocket is it's hard to stay

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Speaker 1: on schedule when a guy doesn't fully exhaust to play,

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Speaker 1: And so can he be discipline enough to at least

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Speaker 1: get through the first two reads of his progression before

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Speaker 1: he looks to flee the pocket? That to be important. Well,

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Speaker 1: we know Kyle Shanahan can build an offense around his

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Speaker 1: talent because he did it with r G three, But

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Speaker 1: that's the question. Can he develop him into a long

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Speaker 1: term NFL starter? You know, I think just the little

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Speaker 1: glimpse that we saw from Buffalo, I think kind of

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Speaker 1: shed light on what he can be in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. You saw them kind of float from some

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Speaker 1: of the regular bootleg movement based passing stuff. Some shotgun

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Speaker 1: did a couple of different things to put him on

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Speaker 1: the move. I'm not a big believer that, Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: he didn't run a lot of zone read and read

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Speaker 1: option when he was at Texas and M. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the runs that he had in Texas and M

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Speaker 1: where quarterback design runs, quarterback draws, quarterback sweeps, things that

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Speaker 1: he did on his own. When he runs, he typically

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Speaker 1: runs because it's it's out of necessy, it's out of necessity,

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket because the pocket collapses any breaks.

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Speaker 1: I think for him, because I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people worry about quarterbacks that leave the pocket taking hits. Well,

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Speaker 1: in his history at in the SEC, he never really

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Speaker 1: took a lot of solid shots unless his competitiveness gets

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Speaker 1: the best of him. Like when guys talking chirp at him.

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Speaker 1: He has a tendency to want to engage because that's

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Speaker 1: how he's built and so and so. The big thing

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Speaker 1: for him in the SEC when he would take shots,

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Speaker 1: like guys would start chirping, so he would try to

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Speaker 1: run him over do stuff. I think he's smart enough

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Speaker 1: that yeah, yeah, I mean, he he's a super competitive dude.

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Speaker 1: Ma Luga and Adam Jones this week they might want

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Speaker 1: to just get in his ear and well, they're gonna talk,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm sure they're gonna talk to him. There's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of conversation about that. We saw it

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Speaker 1: in the preseason when it was red Skins. They talked

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Speaker 1: to him and he flipped him off. I think the

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Speaker 1: big thing, the big thing for him is kind of

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Speaker 1: keeping everything under control within the Florida game and just

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Speaker 1: do the deal, because I think he can give them

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Speaker 1: some of those off schedule plays that they needed. That

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Speaker 1: offense needs something to kind of take it over the top,

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Speaker 1: and I think Johnny Menzel's skills can do that. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to touch on Drew Stanton, another quarterback like Brian

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Speaker 1: Hoyer who who was sent it into a starting role

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Speaker 1: um and then kind of faded a little little bit.

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Speaker 1: You you had an interesting theory you were sharing with

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Speaker 1: us yesterday about some of these guys that come up

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Speaker 1: and they initially do well and then they start to falter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with with with backup quarterbacks, I believe there's a huge

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Speaker 1: difference between a starter and a backup. A backup god

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Speaker 1: and even a scouting terms, we're talking about who can

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Speaker 1: we have that can get us out of a game

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Speaker 1: or two, that can play for a couple of games

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Speaker 1: and then we can get our starter back in. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to find the backup that can be a viable

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Speaker 1: long term solution at the position. And the difference between

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Speaker 1: starters in our league at the quarterback position is they

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Speaker 1: have the ability to constantly adapt and readjust In the

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Speaker 1: National Football League, defense is quickly find out what you

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Speaker 1: do well, and they try to put you in a

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Speaker 1: situation where you have to play to your weakness. So

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Speaker 1: when you see you Drew stand and when you see

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Speaker 1: your Mark Sanchez, and when you see these guys play

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Speaker 1: and they have success for two or three weeks and

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Speaker 1: then they start struggling after that is because now their

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Speaker 1: film has circulated around the league, you have a better

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Speaker 1: feel for how the play caller is going to maximize

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Speaker 1: what they do. And then you eventually build a defensive

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Speaker 1: package that takes that away and then you challenge that

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Speaker 1: quarterback to find another way to beat you. Like I

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Speaker 1: was talking to Willia McGinnis. We were talking about defensive

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Speaker 1: football and we're talking about Aaron Rodgers using him as

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Speaker 1: the example from that Patriots game, or early in that

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Speaker 1: game you saw the Patriots, did we go take away

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Speaker 1: Jodie Nelson and we're gonna take away roundall? Cop? What

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Speaker 1: is your answer? Then he started going Davante Adams, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So now we'll switch in the middle of the game.

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Speaker 1: We'll take those guys away. What would be your alternative,

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Speaker 1: We'll running with Eddie Lacy? Can you find enough pitches

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Speaker 1: in your arsenal to find a way to get it?

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Speaker 1: That's what defensive coordinators do. They try to test to

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Speaker 1: see if you're willing to be patient to take the

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Speaker 1: old alternative. I mean, one thing, Bucky we talked about

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Speaker 1: also yesterday that in the old days, I mean going

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Speaker 1: back in the eighties seventies, quarterbacks would have four or

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Speaker 1: five years where the starts to get their sea legs,

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Speaker 1: and really then you start to judge them. Now they're

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Speaker 1: judge so quickly they were ready to throw the towel

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Speaker 1: in on Drew Stands and other guys. Is it really

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Speaker 1: enough for adjusting to the tape? But also what about

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Speaker 1: their careers in terms of getting a real chance. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the funny thing, Like when you think about

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees and even Paidon Manning and Aaron Rodgers early

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Speaker 1: in their careers, they didn't have that the level of

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Speaker 1: success that people expect from young guys right right away.

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Speaker 1: There used to be a time where you take a

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Speaker 1: quarterback early, a you stashed from for a year or two,

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Speaker 1: then you allow him to play. Even think about Carson

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Speaker 1: Palm and Carson problem was the number one overall pick,

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Speaker 1: but his rookie year he didn't play, and they let

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Speaker 1: John getting to go the next year and he took over.

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Speaker 1: But there used to be a period where you could

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Speaker 1: fully develop guys on the practice field. Steve McNair was

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Speaker 1: two years, wasn't it might have been? It might have

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Speaker 1: been two years for Steve McNair. It took a while

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Speaker 1: for those guys to go. And also the c b

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Speaker 1: A has changed where in the off season with the

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks you could develop them through the quarterback school,

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Speaker 1: summer camps and those things. They cut the number of

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Speaker 1: days down to where you have ten. That's not nearly

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Speaker 1: enough time to get guys enough reps to see what

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Speaker 1: they can do and how they can develop. The last

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Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask you about I'm a Jets fan.

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Speaker 1: I am in a tough situation right now because I

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Speaker 1: find myself wanting them to go to and fourteen because

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Speaker 1: the one thing I want this season not to go

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Speaker 1: totally in vain and get a quarterback out of the strap.

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Speaker 1: So I tweeted out, Uh, he's given up, he's out them,

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Speaker 1: and now he's just looking at box scores at college players.

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Speaker 1: I sent out a tweet to my followers Marcus Mariotta

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Speaker 1: stats this season thirty eight touchdowns, two picks, six and

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Speaker 1: sixty nine rushing yards fourteen tds and said, this is

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Speaker 1: the guy we need. Somebody fired back that Gino Smith

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Speaker 1: through forty five touchdowns with West Virginia in his last year.

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Speaker 1: So I asked you, as the man, the scout guy,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Mariotta, is this guy a top level quarterback at

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Speaker 1: the next level? No, I mean I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: don't think. No. I think I think, here, here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: and I think when people dig into it and and

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Speaker 1: part of it. I took some of this from the

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Speaker 1: piece that you put up about the depth of a

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Speaker 1: running quarterback, which was really good, and he you put

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Speaker 1: a link in to a piece from the San Francisco

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Speaker 1: Chronicle where Steve Young talked about the maturation process of

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Speaker 1: in a quarterback and evolving from a running quarterback to

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Speaker 1: a championship of quarterback. People need to check that out.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, with Marcus Mariota, much like Colin Kaepernick and

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Speaker 1: r G three, these guys played in a system, a

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Speaker 1: read options system where typically they would read one, maybe two,

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Speaker 1: then they take off. So with Marcus Mariota, his biggest

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Speaker 1: transition will be going to a pro style offense where

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Speaker 1: you ask him to read the entire field, meaning you

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Speaker 1: work from left all the way the right, which some

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Speaker 1: of the things in the West Coast offense requires you

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Speaker 1: to do. When you're a player that plays with so

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Speaker 1: much play action and you're putting the ball into bill

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Speaker 1: and you identifying one defendant to read. If he comes

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Speaker 1: towards the field, you take the slant, if he drops off,

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Speaker 1: your hand it to the back, or you keep it.

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Speaker 1: It's hard for those guys to now make a quick

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Speaker 1: transition to doing some of the things that you would

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Speaker 1: do where you have a high, a low, a checkdown.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot to ask you on

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. So for Marcus Mariota. People will have to

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Speaker 1: dig into his tape and see Canny do those concepts

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Speaker 1: that you wanted to do on the pro level. And

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Speaker 1: then also I believe that people have to look at

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Speaker 1: how comfortable is he under durest in the pocket. He

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Speaker 1: is much different than Jamis Winston in terms of playing

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Speaker 1: the game, and I understand like if Jamis comes out

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Speaker 1: there concerns about his character. But just from a football standpoint,

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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston looks more like the quarterbacks that were used

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Speaker 1: to see it on Sundays that Marcus Mariotta, which is

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Speaker 1: why he'll be more comfortable to deal with for some

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinators or whatever, which is why you hear the

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Speaker 1: name kind of Cook from Michigan State. Kinna Cook from

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Speaker 1: Michigan State has buzz about him because he plays in

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Speaker 1: the pro style system at Michigan State. When you look

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Speaker 1: at the tape, what he's asked to do is what

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Speaker 1: most pro quarterbacks are has to do. So from an

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Speaker 1: evaluation standpoint, it's easy to see how a guy like

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Speaker 1: that can fit into an offense. Is much like Zach Mettenberger.

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Speaker 1: Why would people get excited about why we Kim Wizhun

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Speaker 1: get excited about is that member well, because at l

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Speaker 1: s U he played on the cam. Cameron ran a

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Speaker 1: pro style system. Diverbages the same, this is the same,

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Speaker 1: So you can start more advanced with that guy as

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Speaker 1: opposed to having to be in a remedial offense with

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Speaker 1: someone who doesn't have that familiar So the subtext here,

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Speaker 1: if I'm hearing you right, Bucky, is that Dan's jets

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Speaker 1: are doomed. Kind of Cook we Gonnor Cook again. In

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Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel interviewed a bunch of scouts and

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Speaker 1: they said, coaches in the NFL will love Connor Cook. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're they love Krnor Cook because they're saying my thing

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Speaker 1: with offensive coordinators, Um, they're always comfortable with what they're

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Speaker 1: comfortable with, like they want to understand it. Like defensive

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Speaker 1: minded head coaches are more apt to go with a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that runs and flees the pocket. If you look

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Speaker 1: at the history of the league, most of the guys

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Speaker 1: that were running around, guys play for defensive minded guys

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Speaker 1: because they're okay with a guy playing off script because

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Speaker 1: they're not as tied to this is my system in

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Speaker 1: my system offensive coordinators. In the end, remember, all offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinators want to be head coaches with the way that

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Speaker 1: you become a head coach is the owner sitting at

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Speaker 1: the box is like, Wow, that guy called a great game.

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Speaker 1: Where if it runs off script, you don't get the credit.

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Speaker 1: Whereas if you're a defensive guy, you don't really care

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Speaker 1: whether they do. You just want enough plays to do it.

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Speaker 1: And also, from a defensive standpoint to one thing that

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Speaker 1: drives you crazy as a defensive coordinator is making the

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Speaker 1: right call and then the guy runs away and gets

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Speaker 1: out the blitz. And so that's why they like those guys.

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Speaker 1: What you why Mike Petton is like, yeah, he's excited

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00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: to see a Johnny Manzel play and and and those things.

641
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: So it makes it tough for offensive guys because it's

642
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: tough for them to live with a guy that doesn't

643
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: use all the pieces that are available in the round. Hey, Bucky,

644
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: would you like to hang around while we preview the

645
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: Thursday night football game. Let's do it fun real quick.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you enjoyed that Steve Young piece from the

647
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: San Francisco Chronicle. I thought it was the most enlightening

648
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: thing I read of football all year. I I thought

649
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: it was one of those things that it should be

650
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: a muz red for all young quarterbacks to just talk

651
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: about how he was challenging. He's another one like if

652
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: you look at the early part of his career, he's

653
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: just like all these other guys, Colin Kaepernick and r

654
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Speaker 1: G three, Like he struggled down in Tampa and those things,

655
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: and it took him a while sitting behind um Joe Montana,

656
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: having Bill Walsh, and he's talked about Mike Holmgren kind

657
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: of being his ear about this is how you play

658
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: the position. You can't just flee. And so I think

659
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: with the young quarterbacks, unfortunately we don't have the time.

660
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Coaches are no longer given those five year with the

661
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Speaker 1: advent of social media and all the talking heads and

662
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: all of us chiming in, it's hard for fans to

663
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: stay with that. But yeah, it'd be interesting to see

664
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Speaker 1: how these young quarterbacks do chop your head off with

665
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Speaker 1: a knife. Wow. I largely blamed Dan your presence in

666
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: the media for the demise of many young passers because

667
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: it's just just too many of us and you might

668
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Speaker 1: be the extra person. So weird. It's a weird point

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Speaker 1: you made there. One more um So, by the way,

670
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: Greg had to take off, breaking news calls. Not even

671
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: sure what it was, but he's downstairs now. Bucky's kind

672
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Speaker 1: enough to sit in for the rest of the podcast.

673
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: So let's talk about a little Thursday night football. And

674
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: this is an interesting game. This will be a tough

675
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: one in our picks bucket and our picks. The four

676
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: of us are three of us, I should say are

677
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: in a within one game. Four of us are within

678
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: one game. West has fallen out of the race this year.

679
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: So this this every game counts now and whoever wins

680
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 1: the picks title. Listen, that is something you cannot There's

681
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: no money value on that, just bragging. I went thirteen

682
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: and three last week, you did, and that was very good.

683
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: We all momentum for next year, that's right. So this game,

684
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: this is interesting, will be a tough game to pick.

685
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals, you know, they got back in the

686
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: winning side of things this past week and nice performance,

687
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: another comeback win to get to ten wins. But they

688
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: head to St. Louis and we've been hang it, or

689
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: at least I've been saying that this was the best

690
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: five and seven team in football. Now that the six

691
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: and seven team in football, they're coming up back to

692
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: back shutouts. We know Drew Stanton is not playing particularly

693
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: well at this stage. This seems like a recipe for

694
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: a low scoring game, right Why? I mean, I think so.

695
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: I think I think this is a defensive struggle. I

696
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: think this is a game where we're seeing the Rams

697
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: defense kind of play like everyone expected under Greg Williams.

698
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: He now understands the talent and the pieces that he

699
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: has at his disposal. The trade for Mark Barron was

700
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: huge for them, so now they can use some of

701
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: their big nickel packages. They can be a little more creative.

702
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: But now he understands Drew Stanton will see every blitz

703
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: in the book because he believes that if you kill

704
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: the head of a snake, the rest of it will

705
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: fall apart. He's going to come after him. He's gonna

706
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on him, and they're gonna

707
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: make sure that they take care of the back to

708
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: back Kerr and Williams had a hundred yards last week.

709
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: They will make sure that he's a non fact. That

710
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna try and put this this game on Drew

711
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: Stanton's arm, and they don't think that he can get

712
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: it done. And that running game, I mean outside of

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00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: that Kerwin Williams, you know performance that that's been one

714
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: of the second or third worst run games in the league,

715
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: and I think that hurts any quarterbacks trying to just

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00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: figure it out when you can't even lean on that

717
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: ground game out. Yeah, because they're different than most teams

718
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: because they're running back. Even Andrea Ellerton is more of

719
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: a scat back. So if you look at the top teams,

720
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: the top offensive teams that are playing there, with the

721
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: exception of the Colts, the quarterbacks that are thriving, they

722
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: have a big, physical running back that can do it,

723
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Speaker 1: or dominant guy like a Shady McCay or Jamal Charles.

724
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: Without that president the ability to handleball to the running

725
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: back five times, it's harder for the quarterback to have

726
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: these open windows off play action. I believe with the

727
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, part of the reason they're struggling offensively is

728
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: because they have a backup quarterback and they don't have

729
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: the physical running game that you need to really cover

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00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: them up. We were talking on Sunday's show about how

731
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Speaker 1: it felt like the Rams were perhaps one and a

732
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: big piece, but one quarterback away from being a NFC contender,

733
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: A big shot, uh, super Bowl type contender. Do you

734
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: think they're that close or they just need the quarterback

735
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: and everything else can fall into well, I mean, any

736
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: good quarterback play and they have to figure out as

737
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback. In the draft, it was a quarterback trying

738
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: to lean on Sam Bradford again, like that would be

739
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: the big decision because it's still hard to envision a

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00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: young quarterback coming in and leading a team to a

741
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: super Bowl. I think the big thing is making sure

742
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: you figure out what you have. You still would like

743
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: to maximize Tavon Austin because you committed a lot to him.

744
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: He's made some place here there, but can you find

745
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: a way to give him the ball more. Sean Hill

746
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: has come in and when he's been right and healthy,

747
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: like he's a good decision maker, he can manage it

748
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: and understand from a defensive mind, the coach and Jeff

749
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: Fisher he doesn't necessarily need the quarterback to kind of

750
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: drive the bus and do all the bills and whistles,

751
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: don't turn it over, make enough place for us to

752
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: get close, and then allowed their defense to create short

753
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: field so they can punch it in. One thing with

754
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: the rams I know last time Bucky was in here

755
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: over the summer. We went to town on Brian Schottenheimer

756
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: just for I find that he stifles attacks a lot.

757
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: But I feel in the last month it's not personal.

758
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: I love his dad number one, but like you know, listen,

759
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: I feel like he's gotten more creative. He's using this

760
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: young talent a little bit better over the last month

761
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: or two. Yeah, I think they're playing much better on

762
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: on offense. I think the big edition has been Trey Mason.

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00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: Trey Mason is a guy that is a little more

764
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: dynamic than Zach Stacy wasn't some of those other guys.

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00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: He's beginning to carry the workload. We're beginning to see

766
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: him true o'clock and have these hundre yard performances. That

767
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: makes it easy for the rest of the guys to

768
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: get involved. Kenny Britt was another big pick up because

769
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: he's a big receiver. He's a guy that was on

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00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: the cusp of being maybe a guy that you consider

771
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: a probo overseven when he was at Tennessee prior to

772
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: his injury. So you got a big guy on him.

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00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: You have Tavon Nodge, you have Stephen Bailey, you have

774
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: Chris Givings, you have enough little pieces to make it happen.

775
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: And Jerry Cook also gives himself if they're just efficient

776
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: on offense, that defense is good enough to get him there.

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00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: And they're built to play the right way. They're built

778
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: to play kind of like that big boy football that

779
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: you have to play in January. And because of that,

780
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: that's why they're being really really tough and physical and

781
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: effective with these teams on the stretch. Who's your picking

782
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: this game? I'm gonna take St. Louis. And the reason

783
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Sat. Louis They're playing at home. The defense

784
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: is really brimming with confidence, and Robert Quinn and this

785
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: crew up front, they're coming after the quarterback. And I

786
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: just know Bruce arians he refuses to choke it down.

787
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna release five in the route, he's gonna throw it,

788
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: and I just think that at some point you stand

789
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: to have a mistakes. I picked the rams you mentioned.

790
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: Trey Mason's more dynamic pro football focus has a stack

791
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: called breakaway rate. Trey Mason leads the NFL and breakaway

792
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: rate long runs. And when I was researching the Seahawks

793
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: defense of their dominance, they've given up one play over

794
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: twenty yards of last two weeks. The Rams have given

795
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: up zero plays over twenty yards of last two weeks.

796
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: The Rams defense is the best unit in this scheme. Mark,

797
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm going with a tie. I see a lot of

798
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: a lot of factors here. This is gonna be even

799
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: fun game to watch seven seven. It will be amazing

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00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: if you do win our picks because you are such

801
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: an outside your your guy that thinks outside the box.

802
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: If you win on a tie, I don't think you

803
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: can predict a tie on our NFL dot com. You're

804
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: an iconoclass. I say it all the time. You've changed

805
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: all the rules and you're rewriting them. Bucky Brooks, thank

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00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, coming in really replacing

807
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: Greg seamlessly. I don't know if we want Greg back

808
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: because our boss, but he's on his heels right now. Yeah,

809
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the the only problem is, and I was

810
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Speaker 1: it was, actually we have our internal monitors down in

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Speaker 1: the newsroom. I actually got to watch the college football

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Speaker 1: podcast buy and that Money Smith no no hair product

813
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Speaker 1: in Money Smith's hair, which is always fun. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: it's you guys do obviously a great job. So download

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00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: that you gotta listen to that show, so we might

816
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: try to poach you and maybe Money and Greg can

817
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: form a podcast. You just Kenny ve Car Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: how about that? Send him down. Hopefully it doesn't listen

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Speaker 1: to this or I will be getting as marx as

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Speaker 1: a sharply worded letter. Um. Alright, so we will be

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Speaker 1: back uh tomorrow with another podcast, will go over the

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00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: Thursday night game and we'll look ahead to all the

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Speaker 1: Sunday games. Bucky, thank you again for joining us. You

824
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: can get all his stuff where it on on your

825
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: Twitter feed. Is Brooks perfect beautiful? Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: We will be back Thursday. This then hands a signing

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Speaker 1: up for Bucky Brooks, the mail Man, the Sizzler, t

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Speaker 1: D Behind the Glass, and the Boss and absention so

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