WEBVTT - Draft Show: Lying Season 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:09.120 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft show, your war room 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.920 for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.560 confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.360 The Dallas Cowboys Click Tyler. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:24.120 Trip and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.560 Today is Wednesday, April nineteenth, twenty twenty three, as we 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.879 are now eight days away from the NFL Draft in 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.600 Kansas City, just over a week and by the time 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.160 we record tomorrow will be one week out. 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.640 How about that? From the NFL Draft. It flew by. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.000 But we are here and. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.600 We've got back to back episodes Wednesday and Thursday this 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.360 week to get you ready heading into the week of 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.479 the draft. We've got the entire crew here in the 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.920 SWBC studios today. Brian brought us, Bobby Belt, Zach Walchuk, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:00.400 Ayesha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Everybody ready, Bobby, great to 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.959 have you back, never better. Ready to go, man, locked 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:05.360 and loaded. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:06.399 Who's the pick at twenty six? 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.959 Go Michael mahyor Wow? 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:09.600 Okay? 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:10.920 Well, tight end talk. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:12.760 I think it's going to come down to two. I 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.760 think the I think Mayor is clearly in play. I 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:16.760 think right. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:19.400 Darneld Wright from Tennessee. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.680 I think is in and I think if b Jon 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.600 Robinson gets to him, I think they would take him. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.840 I think Will McDonald needs to be part of that 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.759 discussion too. Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's like eight names. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.800 I feel like it could be potential there, depending on 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:32.600 what breaks ahead of them. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:32.800 Yeah. 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.360 I think the Will mcdonald' stuff in two, and I 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.880 would throw in Drew Sanders as well. Yeah, that's how 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:38.960 open the thing is at twenty six. But if you 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.040 asked me to handicap him, I think the Mayor. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.160 Pick is one that I would I would really look. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:48.080 At Mayor over Kincaid or is it you expecting not 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:48.360 to beat? 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.080 I think Kinkaid's the first off the board. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:50.480 So for them. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.720 Based on what Stephen Jones told us in one oh 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.800 five three the Fan yesterday, the way that he was 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.760 describing these tight ends, it basically narrated down to it 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:59.680 and maybe that this is also the smoke you know, 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.279 you got trying, Hey what's the bee as, what's the fluff? 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:02.840 What's real? 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.280 But the way he described the tight ends, it's you 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.560 gotta be able to block in line and then what 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.480 else can you do? In terms of being a pass 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.240 catcher that to me eliminates Musgrave. And I think Mayor 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.880 and Washington are the two best complete when it comes 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.920 to blocking and pass catching ability. So i'd look at 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.680 those two. But you guys know, I have Kincaid one. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.880 I agree with Bobby though, the way we're getting closer 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:25.920 to it, I think it's likely you could have Kinkaid 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.000 and Mayor both off the board. And I think you're right, Brian, 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.200 because I don't think Darnell Right's gonna make it. Drew 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.600 Sanders might very well be in play here at twenty six. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.360 Yeah, and you mentioned Darnell Washington. He also brought up 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.120 a name like Martell's Bennett. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:37.480 Yeah. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:42.640 The comparison, yeah, absolutely, And when you have Michael McCarthy here, yes, wait, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:44.360 you make me sick. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:49.080 Bob, that's a Super Bowl champ right, stop it, stop it. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.520 But no, like I was just saying, like, when you 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.760 talk about tight end athleticism and all that stuff, he 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.480 mentioned Martell has been it too, So I thought that 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.880 was along the lines of the Darnell Washington think. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:59.919 Yeah, that's been the comp I. 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.240 Guess to him, do you think Darnell Right, do you 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.560 think it hurts him or helps his case to be 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.400 there at twenty six, the fact that he is not 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.960 pigeonholed into the tackle spot because he does have that 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.360 guard flex, that position flex that can either help your 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.320 stock or it could hurt your stock. What does it 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:17.160 do for Darnell Right? 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.880 I think it helps him because I think it's one 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.840 of those things where it's not viewed as like it's 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.120 not the issue with Scaransky Right, where it's like you 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.720 may have to have him play guard. I think with Right, 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.400 it's we can also have him play guard, and so 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:32.800 I think that the way they view it as they 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.000 look at it as he has flexibility, not necessarily that 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.720 he has to be kicked inside to have success or 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.440 anything like that. I think that, you know, there's a 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:45.000 belief throughout most of the NFL community that Right could 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:46.760 play tackle. I would play him at guard, but I 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.600 think most people probably feel like that guy can play tackle, 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.560 and if he has any trouble there, then we can 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:52.360 look at him at guard. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:52.600 Yeah. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.520 I think he is a tackle, and I think he's 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.640 the best right tackle in the draft. I think he's 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.520 the third best tackle overall in the draft in my opinion. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.640 Right Paris Johnson and Broderick Jones from Georgia. But I 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.480 do think he would be Scarnsky is a guard. I 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:07.360 have Scron's guard. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:07.600 Yeah. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:08.960 I think he's far and away the best guard in 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.480 the class. And we can get into that later, like 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.480 if there's a player you trade up for. To be honest, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.760 he's the only one that I think I would He 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.719 can be that big of an impact I think for 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.240 the Cowboys, especially when you look moving forward about Zach 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.280 Martin getting older, I think that there's a lot of 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.240 value there. But right to me, I would be hesitanting 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:26.719 because I think I would want to play him at 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.279 right tackle immediately. I think he might end up being 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.880 the best right tackle on the team. And I love 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.559 Terrence Steele, but I think he's a more well rounded player. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.400 But the ability to kick inside and play left guard 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.440 is certainly something that will help him. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.719 Darnell Wright's a better player than what Tyler Smith was 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.840 last year coming out of Tulsa. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:43.680 I'd agree with that. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.360 I mean and so and you see what they did 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.840 with with Tyler Smith, and but they were able to 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.679 make that work. Darnall Wright is a mean human being 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.159 and it reminds me very much of Ron Leary playing guard. 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.080 Here how mean Ron Leary was. 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.000 And if you want to get back to if Mike 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.000 McCarthy's talking about running the ball and being stout up 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.760 front and all that, Darnell Wright makes a whole hell 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:04.440 of a lot of sense. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.520 We've talked about the guards, you know. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.120 You know from Florida or TCU. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.080 But I think to me, if you this guy's the 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.040 nineteenth best player on my board, Darnell right, and if 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.160 you had if you let me pick him at twenty six, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.799 I'm handing that card in and I'm going on because 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.080 I know I'm gonna plug him in and I'm let 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.239 him play left guard. I'm going to keep Tyler Smith 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.240 at left tackle, and I'm going to have a mean 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:26.840 left side of that offensive line. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:27.159 Amen. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.680 And as we get closer to this, Aisha, He's kind 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.120 of becoming my dream scenario there at twenty six. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.880 Yeah, yeah, I mean, and also too, when you talk 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.640 about some of the names we've talked about from the 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.599 guard position that are later maybe later in the round, 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.760 guys like a Via, you say to yourself, well with 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.120 Darnell Right, in my opinion, like if I think you 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.040 have a better I don't feel like a lot of 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.000 people feel like you're reaching if you take a via 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.440 twenty six. I don't feel like if Darnell Wright is there, 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.919 I'm okay. I'm okay with it because I understand what 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.839 he can do in the run game, especially establishing like 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.200 the physicality at the second level a man, it's important. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.680 It is, and his ability to me against elite competition. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.080 I felt like in the big games he played better. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.599 You look at the year that Tennessee had, They're not 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.040 having that without Darnell right out there. And what he 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.800 was able to do against Will Anderson b j o Jaalai. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.640 We've talked about this and those are two of the 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.560 premium edge rushers, not only in this draft, but last 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.400 year in the entire country in college football. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.360 Darnell right handled him. That's why I think he. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.039 Is a tackle, but the position flex for the Cowboys, 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:29.479 being able to plug and play at left guard. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:30.160 My gosh. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:31.600 I think it'd be a great value pick, and I 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.720 think he would immediately help them come day one at 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:35.279 training camp. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.640 Well, I think that he would dominate mini camps. In camp. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.680 We're gonna be like, Wow, this is awesome, Tyler Smith. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.800 We're excited about You're right, Bryan, This kid's better. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.119 I think mel I think mel Kiper in his last 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.840 mock draft, had right already gone. 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.760 I think he had he had right going ahead of 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:55.960 the Cowboys. So our friend sixteen sixteen Washington commanders. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:02.560 Arncle And and Dame Rugler had to go twenty one too. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.960 I think there were a couple of spots where he 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.240 was gone. Now, on the flip side of things, we've 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.840 talked about offensive players at twenty six. 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.160 For nine months. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.520 I mean that's a little bit of an exaggeration, but 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.880 forever we have talked about offensive players. 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.120 What does it say if the Will. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:22.520 McDonald's of Iowa State and the Arkansas linebacker Drew Sanders 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.720 are the pick, Brian, what does that say about your 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.640 current state of your football team? 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:27.200 The fact that. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.720 Offense has been the pigeonhole pick for so long, but 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.040 now it's okay, let's go with the best player available. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:33.600 Well, I'll tell you what. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.480 It tells me a lot that Dan Quinn carries a 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.280 big stick in that draft room because he went out 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.600 there and you know he's worked these you know. The 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.400 thing about with Sanders Sanders makes a lot of sense 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.800 because I usual talks about this quite a bit too, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:46.920 with the Cowboys. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:47.760 If you look at like. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.520 The they're too deep on defense and stuff like that. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.880 Their linebacking corps has some questions to it. Yeah, And 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.960 the one thing that you could do with Drew Sanders 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.000 is we've seen his ability to rush, and we know 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.320 that Dan Quinn likes to take linebackers and like make 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.200 them have that ability to create. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.920 That opportunity to pass rush. Drew Sanders can do that. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.320 He can he he It's one of those guys that 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.720 just doesn't come off the field. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.480 I don't think people are talking about him near enough. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.560 But I think to his ability and what he's capable 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.600 of doing and how he plays would be a really 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.680 good fit because Dan likes to use his guys in 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:23.720 a lot of different ways. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.200 Drew Sanders fits that. Bill. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.160 The one thing about Drew Sanders, I think he needs 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:28.440 to get stronger, you know. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.480 I feel like when linemen are able. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.120 To get to the second level they get on him clean, 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.720 that's where he'll struggle to get off blocks. But Kyle 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.240 and I we've been covering this kid since he was 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.160 again Ryan being an absolute monster, so I've been able 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.640 to follow his entire career. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:42.640 I love him. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:44.800 I mean, he's a thumper. When he hits you, he 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.120 leaves remember me type of shots. The edge versatility is 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:49.679 why I think a lot of people in today's day 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.720 and age, especially when we've talked about this is a 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.760 weak linebacker class fans would see or hear the pick 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.520 of Drew Sanders and they'll think, oh my gosh, why 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.000 are you taking off ball linebacker? He very easily could 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.840 be the best, but the edge versatility that he brings 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.000 you is something that we saw they were able to 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.880 tap into with Michael Parsons. He shows that even more 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.120 than Micah did coming out from Penn State, no doubt. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:10.480 Yeah. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.560 My question for you guys though, is if you take 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.440 a Drew Sanders in round one twenty six, what does 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.920 that mean for Michael Parsons? Because when you start looking 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.680 at Michael Parsons, I mean I've heard him numerous times 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.800 talk about how many times him wanting to be more 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.280 of a linebacker and be you know, have that ambiguity 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.640 from where he was rushing from the DM position. We 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.559 saw this past season he talked about getting his calluses 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:36.280 and getting his mark. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.760 You know, playing that edge is not easy. So I 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:40.520 wonder if they. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.720 Take you know, Drew Sanders first round. What does that 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.320 mean for Michael Parsons? Is he going to be a 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.520 d N more so or is he going to still 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.160 have some of that linebacker flex or is that gonna 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:52.960 be Is that gonna take him out of that position 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:53.560 a little bit more? 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:54.120 What do you guys think? 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.360 I mean, the way Quinn I think calls defense, it 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.280 would be a rotation of vander sh Parsons, Sanders, and 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.440 they would all be disguised, so like it's different things 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.120 where Parsons could rush or Sanders could rush, or you 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.400 could have you know, Sanders looking like he's coming off 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.240 the edge, Parsons is at linebacker, and it could be 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.720 Parsons ends up rushing Sanders drops. There's different things. Sanders 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:17.280 obviously is not. The comparison for me, pretty consistently on 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.280 Sanders has been vander Rush. Actually that I mean, I 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.640 think it's same size, same sort of athleticism you just 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.760 get in coverage. Bill not as good in coverage, but 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.599 he's better rushing the pass and wait. But it's the 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.719 same question about getting off blocks in the facality. It's 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.480 the same sort of issue. So I think they're similar players. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.120 I would to me, I think they view regardless of 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.240 how they disguise it. They view Michael Parsons as a 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.360 pass rusher, whether he's doing it from linebacker, he's doing 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.400 it off the edge. Either way, they think he's a vgery. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:43.719 Sanders can run and chase though. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.720 Man, there was a play he tracked down Bryce Young 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.040 when they were playing Alabama. I was like, Holy heck, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.079 this dude's got some fun closing speed. He would be 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:51.760 a Swiss Army knife for Dan Quinn. I mean, I'd 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.400 get excited about it. I got a second round grade 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.160 on it. But when you're picking at twenty six, yeah, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.959 the likelihood of having a first round grade is not high. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.520 I don't think Drew Sanders should be a reach there 0:10:59.520 --> 0:10:59.680 at all. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.160 You didn't have a first round grade on I know, honestly, 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.440 I have a first round grade bias, and I wanted. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:05.559 To put it. I just don't think there's a first 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:06.800 round linebacker in this draft. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:08.679 He's the only one that's on my board. But I 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.560 like him a lot in that regard. All right, we have, 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.840 of course, one week until the draft. This is what 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.760 Brian brought us as tabbed as lying season, Right. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.719 Yeah, there's lying, Yeah you lie. We're not lying we're 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:23.400 not even lying. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.559 How many media members did you lie to in your 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:27.480 personnel days? 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:28.839 You know I never did. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.960 Do you remember one where maybe I got somebody off 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:31.280 the set? 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.800 Soalth Palatonio from ESPN called me a liar when I 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.839 was in Philadelphia twenty five you know, Sal Powell called 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:39.320 me a liar. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:40.319 Twenty five years ago. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.920 I ran a draft in Philadelphia, and I got reminded 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.319 of that when I was doing radio with you the 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.160 other day because it's the anniversary of the Ryan Leaf. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.040 Yes, sir Manning, and that was the ninety eight draft. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.520 So twenty I remember doing a press conference before and 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.520 talking about taking Trey Thomas. We really liked the tackle, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.000 and South Palatonio came up to me right afterwards just said, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.880 you're a liar, and I said, excuse me? Said he goes, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.640 you're a liar, And I said, what do you mean, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.600 I'm a liar? And he goes, you're lying about who 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.320 you're going to take. I said, Sal, I'm not lying 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.800 to you. You know, I had a chance to WP 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.360 the radio station in Philadelphia that a guy named Gary Cobb. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.800 I think Gary does afternoons now with in Philly or 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.200 does something. You know it does work still with WP. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.960 Cobb did an overnight radio show. I was sitting at 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.160 the VET in Philly, the Old Stadium, and I was 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:25.800 listening to his show. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.719 I was watching tape. It's probably three in the. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.240 Morning, just I couldn't just watching tape. And I heard 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.040 it talking on the radio and he goes, He goes, 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.160 I wonder who this Brian brought us is going to take. 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:35.640 I called in. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.439 I told him we're going to take Trey Thomas. Is 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.439 who we're going to take. He goes, no, man, you're 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:40.920 lying to me. I said, no, I'm not lying to you. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.480 But that was before the era of Twitter and people 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:45.920 like that. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.280 So if you were a truck driver or somebody a 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.760 late night shift worker in Philadelphia, you heard who we 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:52.440 were going to pick. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.160 Cause I told you. I told Gary Cobby put it. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.079 Yeah, I told Gary Cobb, I said we're going to 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.640 take Trey Thomas to tackle from Florida State. And he 0:12:58.640 --> 0:12:59.360 didn't believe me. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.120 And then time after I saw Gary Cobby's like, man, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.200 you you did it? You did And I said no, 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.240 I just was you know, I didn't feel like I needed. 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:07.800 To lie to you about that. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.040 Can you imagine if Bobby was in the front office. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.000 The amount of chum he'd be thrown in the water. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:12.760 Would be awesome. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.319 Yeah, you would be king. Yeah, I might say that 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.480 I was going to hire Condoleeza Rice as my head coach. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.559 Jail, Bobby Jail. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.480 Well, you know, the schefter got burned on that one. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.520 But that was a scheft dove climbing, that. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.360 Was a schefter report back of the day. Uh No, yeah, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.360 I you gotta you gotta stir it up a little bit, right, 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.319 you got a sandbag a little uh and so I 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.079 would imagine I'm stunned. You never once took advantage of it. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:41.720 Na, I didn't. 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.040 He just rese psychology. You you made it sound so 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.040 blunt that it had to be a lie. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.480 And really it's funny. 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.559 We were smart, we were gosh, what was the kid's name, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.520 I can't remember. This was a draft and Larry Lacewell, 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.240 it was a It was a kid that was from 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.440 University of Texas. That was a safety. That was a 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:05.960 Cornerten Jammer, Quentin Jammers. Gosh, good for young mind. That's good, good, good. Right, 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:07.240 So we're sitting in the draft room. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.640 Real quick. Story time with Brian here today. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.560 Story Time but we're sitting in the draft room and 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.600 myself and Larry Laswell and all the scouts are sitting 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.760 around and we have the pick. It was Roy Williams 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.040 draft is and we have the pick after we really 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.800 like Quentin Jammer. Thanks for remembering the name. So we 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.200 like Quintin Jammer, and uh, San Diego had the pick 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.200 ahead of us, and the guy named John Butler was 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.120 the GM and Laswell goes, I wonder what Butler's thinking 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.440 about right now? So we're all looking at each other. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.320 He picks up the phone. He just hits a button 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.440 and it goes to San Diego. He goes John, Larry 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.680 layswell here in Dallas. He goes, who are you taking? 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.720 He goes Larry, We're gonna take Quintin Jammer right ahead 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.240 of you. And Larry goes, oh, okay, thanks, hangs up 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.640 the phone, and we're all like Mandy, was he bluffing? 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:46.280 Sure enough? 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.080 He took Quinton Jammer right ahead of us. He just 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.640 said we're taking Quin Jammer. And sometimes you could shock 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.840 people that way. You just go ahead and say, yeah, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.080 we're gonna take whoever. You know, we're gonna take this guy. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:58.800 And you're really gonna take him, and people are going, 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.520 there's no way. He just told us who taking. 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.000 Wasn't that right after when Minnesota didn't turn their pick 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.800 in on time and then everybody was running up like that. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:05.360 It was great. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.920 Well that No, that was the the Roy Williams draft 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.080 was the one where we went down to two seconds 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:10.640 on the clock. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.720 That's what Jerry had. Jerry had Kansas. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.920 City on one phone, in Minnesota on the other, and 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.400 Carl Peterson. He got Carl Peterson in Kansas City, you 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.840 woul admit who he was gonna take, which never happens. 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.600 Did he got Frank gilliam from Minnesota to take who? 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:24.960 He say? 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.720 He goes, Jerry hangs up the phone because they're not 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:28.400 taking our guys. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.080 Let's trade back which is the best pick? 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:30.360 Kid? 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:31.680 So we took it all. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.840 The way down, three teams to admit in ten minutes 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:34.400 who they were going. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.440 Jerry got Carl Peterson to admit and got and got. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:38.760 Yeah. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.760