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Speaker 1: we looked at each other and we said, there's so
Speaker 1: many other platforms for new artists and for new outlets
Speaker 1: and things like that. We wanted dedicata to super legends,
Speaker 1: we wanted dedicated to icons, We wanted to dedicated to superheroes,
Speaker 1: people who have been doing this. When I was researching
Speaker 1: this brother that we were about to introduce, they said
Speaker 1: that he started doing his thing in seventy seven. I said,
Speaker 1: holy hit. I said, yeah, I was born. This motherfucker
Speaker 1: has been literally doing it my whole life. Literally, He's
Speaker 1: a person that if you're Puerto Rican and you know
Speaker 1: how to dance, or if you just a hip hop
Speaker 1: if you are a hip hop period and you have
Speaker 1: a hip hop dance, I don't care what it is.
Speaker 1: It could be the stinky lag. It comes from him.
Speaker 1: He was the first person that made people and I
Speaker 1: imagine the thing, and then I found out he invented
Speaker 1: the windmill. It's like talking to Michael Jackson right now.
Speaker 1: We are happy, a static, vigorous, enthusiastic to have a
Speaker 1: legend of a legend, an icon of an icon, a
Speaker 1: person that we all should throw flowers at his feet
Speaker 1: when he walked down the street, literally because his feet
Speaker 1: is crazy and his legs is too. So in case
Speaker 1: you don't know who the hell are you talking about,
Speaker 1: he told about the one the only motherfucker crazy. May
Speaker 1: you represent me at my funeral? So you know what
Speaker 1: was one of the craziest things is no pun intend
Speaker 1: uh me seeing you on Letterman right like, um, I'm
Speaker 1: going back because I had no idea Letterman would even
Speaker 1: like do something like that, because how was it, for
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, I didn't see be
Speaker 1: Boying at that time as being a commercial, like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I thought it was like some real,
Speaker 1: you know, underground. So when seeing on Letterman or seeing
Speaker 1: that that, I thing like that, was that like a
Speaker 1: beginning of of be Boying crossing Oval or No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were there because of Flashdance, So yeah, that was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what year? That's that was wild? That came out an
Speaker 1: eighty three Flashdance. So when we did Late David Letterman Show,
Speaker 1: I mean that was kind of wild. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sucking go all out today because I don't give anyone.
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go. We wrote, we get set up
Speaker 1: to do the show, and the dude that I was
Speaker 1: with doing the show was coming off of being high
Speaker 1: tonight before. We're like, oh shit, how are we gonna
Speaker 1: do these routines? Was it ascid? Was it ascid? Back then?
Speaker 1: What y'all was on my right? Now? Everybody did assid? Why?
Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, but a lot of people don't see
Speaker 1: the boys as as stick up kids too. You know.
Speaker 1: We were living double line for sure. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was wild. So doing that not knowing how that
Speaker 1: was gonna turn out, and and then, but the whack
Speaker 1: Ship was a while ago. After I see David let
Speaker 1: him in the restaurant and I'm thinking, like, all right,
Speaker 1: well he's probably cool. I tell away that, Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I like to go say hi to him. Can you
Speaker 1: let him know? He's like, no, because of that experience
Speaker 1: with you guys, huh No, it's just he's a dick whatever,
Speaker 1: that's him, right, So nothing happened on the show like no, no,
Speaker 1: And I was gonna heard you say I heard you.
Speaker 1: This is just like the third time I heard you say, Um,
Speaker 1: you didn't really like him when you was there? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't like him. Wow. Yeah. It was that that
Speaker 1: dry humor that I didn't get coming from where I
Speaker 1: come from, because I'm like, yo, this motherfucking stupid, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's you know at that time, even though like
Speaker 1: you know, with dancing, and we were still we were
Speaker 1: running wild like the Central Park, rounding people and got
Speaker 1: the cent you going to fast? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So what you guys were there was you were what
Speaker 1: did you do for the movie? Coup? Moving out? So
Speaker 1: we dancing flash dance at the beginning and then at
Speaker 1: the end, I actually doubled for her they actually they
Speaker 1: wanted me to um teach the girls how to spin
Speaker 1: on that back in twenty four hours, and I'm like
Speaker 1: that's not possible. So they ended up having me uh
Speaker 1: coming the next day like hey, you know, the director
Speaker 1: Adrian Line's like, hey, you know, would you mind dressing
Speaker 1: up as a woman or whatever Leah turning on its
Speaker 1: all the stuff you keep your much stash or something. No. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm like this, I'm talking to dude
Speaker 1: like this. I'm like, y'all, you know that's money. That's
Speaker 1: the money signed. Like, I'm not even really talking to
Speaker 1: the dude. I just like fuck and ignorant bronx dude
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. And I'm like this in the dude's
Speaker 1: face and he's like all right, cool cool, And we
Speaker 1: wanted to shave, and I'm like, oh shit, man, I
Speaker 1: just keep doing that. Um And I just did it. Man.
Speaker 1: I was just like fuck it, all right, did it?
Speaker 1: And I also also, like recently doing the studies, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that breakdancing was frowned upon. The word breakdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what it is. Breakdown. Yeah it doesn't. So
Speaker 1: the word breakdancing doesn't come from hip hop It came
Speaker 1: from my former manager, Lady Blues, and she misspoken in
Speaker 1: a meeting and she was also a publicist, so she
Speaker 1: was the one we would just I mean we would man.
Speaker 1: I was maybe sixteen and she did that fifteen and
Speaker 1: you know, she got a British accent, went from the Bronx.
Speaker 1: It was like breakthoughts. So yeah, it was just working
Speaker 1: with her, and but we didn't know that she was
Speaker 1: feeding it out there like that, and that's how it
Speaker 1: got into the press. A lot of people say the
Speaker 1: media made that term up when it was her. It
Speaker 1: was her single hands in the end. Once they heard
Speaker 1: that was going, yeah, called back then viral, it was
Speaker 1: called now viral, like it made its way around and
Speaker 1: we had the most pressed back then, you know, for
Speaker 1: that period of time and what we were doing, nobody
Speaker 1: was getting more when Steady Yeah, so you literally like,
Speaker 1: let's just take it back to the beginning. You literally
Speaker 1: went on the first hip hop tour. Yep, I went
Speaker 1: on I went on Home Le Noise. Yeah, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, wait the fuck a minute. So
Speaker 1: because I gotta remember, everyone is thinking this is a
Speaker 1: fad at this time, right, everything everyone is thinking that
Speaker 1: this is black people's in Porto began people's version of
Speaker 1: rock and roll. It's not gonna be successful. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be just successful to them. But you guys wouldn't know
Speaker 1: this was this was not in a world to all.
Speaker 1: This was the first tour, but it was in America, right, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: So there was two tours. There was one. Oh sorry.
Speaker 1: The first curated hip hop show for the sake of
Speaker 1: presenting it to the downtown scene was curated by a
Speaker 1: man named Henry child font Ok. And a lot of
Speaker 1: people confused the word graffiti rock with the Michael Holman
Speaker 1: show that was on TV with run DMC versus Treacherous three. Yes,
Speaker 1: so graffiti Rock was a curated show at a place
Speaker 1: called the Kitchen Center for Performing Arts in maybe nineteen eighty. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a couple of years before the Graffiti Rock Show
Speaker 1: on TV. And uh, Henry child font had got t
Speaker 1: Kid as a graffiti writer to do the backdrop rock
Speaker 1: study crew. We split ourselves up to perform a battle
Speaker 1: as two different crews, and then you have Fat five,
Speaker 1: Freddie H DJ Spy and just du Dame DJ Spying, Ramelsi,
Speaker 1: who weren't supposed to be there and I found out
Speaker 1: some dirt should I air it out? Whatever you want?
Speaker 1: Every child Fire told me that five to Fat five Friday,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get like cold crush of fantastic.
Speaker 1: So fred injected himself and his boys. He became and
Speaker 1: that's how he got this thing in terms of being
Speaker 1: a performer in the scene. The first swindle. So when
Speaker 1: you say the two first tours, okay, yeah, so that
Speaker 1: was so the Kitchen after that had a twelve city tour,
Speaker 1: so it was myself, Frosty Freeze, Fat five, Freddy DJ
Speaker 1: Spy and then it was just like a collective of
Speaker 1: like jazz and rock and pump artists going on the
Speaker 1: twelve city tour between the States, Midwest and Canada. And
Speaker 1: then after um, after that we started performing regularly downtown.
Speaker 1: So the first curated club events four hip hop presented
Speaker 1: to the masses and being covered by like The Village Voice,
Speaker 1: New York Times, Daily News, all that stuff and just
Speaker 1: a certain energy. But to be clear, there's no mcs.
Speaker 1: There's nobody rapping on this tour, is there. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: well you're talking about the Kitchen tour. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was Fat five Freddy. He was actually rhyman. I thought
Speaker 1: he was just like hosting him seeing it as a host.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say we were high a lot on that,
Speaker 1: but I don't really remember. But yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: he was massive ceremonies and dropping a little round some rhymes. Um.
Speaker 1: And then this guy DJ spot was he was really dope.
Speaker 1: He's from Brooklyn. He was rocking out on the turntables.
Speaker 1: And then shortly after that we started doing shows in
Speaker 1: the downtown scene. The first downtown club to ever have
Speaker 1: a hip hop curated show besides the Kitchen, because the
Speaker 1: Kitchen was a like an arts center, um was. It
Speaker 1: was a place called the Grill. The Grill. Then I
Speaker 1: got my nose red let something. You're still in my
Speaker 1: interview because look, I was about to say this is
Speaker 1: one of my questions, but way before before you told
Speaker 1: people because somebody's like, yo, but no ship, I'm like, y'all,
Speaker 1: nor he's good. He's good. That's it. It says the
Speaker 1: Grill nightclub considered to be hip hop's first nightclub. Is
Speaker 1: that the truth? I wouldn't say that. I would say
Speaker 1: in terms of presenting hip hop to the downtown scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Downtown yeah, okay because because yeah, t connection, all the
Speaker 1: Bond ball Room acts to Seagar Ride, Yeah, all stuff,
Speaker 1: and then Harlem World. Okay, okay, okay, go the way
Speaker 1: that you're saying all this, it makes me feel like
Speaker 1: the dancers and the graffiti artists and the DJs were
Speaker 1: more on the forefront at this point. Definitely easily Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me. I don't want to get back to this subject,
Speaker 1: but fear of me if you can. Right, we know
Speaker 1: the five elements right of hip hop? Right, then hip
Speaker 1: hop starts to change, right. Get these corporations they come
Speaker 1: in some music of hip hop down, some don't. But
Speaker 1: this was about maybe ten years ago. Being Capale, we
Speaker 1: go to Europe and I would get where we're at
Speaker 1: the story Germany. But I remember me going on the tour,
Speaker 1: and I remember before we went on the tour and
Speaker 1: the promoters, which is disappeared and they would come back
Speaker 1: and they would smell like old school crylns. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for y'all, young innocent here break hand yeah, And
Speaker 1: then they would be out there and they would have
Speaker 1: the cardboard and I would be like, did they do
Speaker 1: that just for us? And this was something that they
Speaker 1: did at their hip hop clubs every and this was, this,
Speaker 1: was this, It wasn't that long ago. But why is
Speaker 1: it abroad people want to embrace the hip hop and
Speaker 1: the elements more than we do is right here created
Speaker 1: That's a deep question, man, I'm sorry now stopping me.
Speaker 1: I think I think none. I felt good about myself.
Speaker 1: I think because of it being very regional and like
Speaker 1: our New York hip hop state of mind, the way
Speaker 1: we came up and how we presented all the elements.
Speaker 1: A lot of people who got it later on in
Speaker 1: the States only got wrapped, so they don't feel any
Speaker 1: kind of real alliance to the elements of hip hop.
Speaker 1: And even when you say five elements of hip hop,
Speaker 1: you know, originally it was you know, breaking the DJ
Speaker 1: and m seying, graffiti and de boxing, but then Bambado
Speaker 1: changed it to knowledge that of de boxing, which I
Speaker 1: thought was unfair. I'd say, just add the sixth one
Speaker 1: yeah as well, yeah, yeah, yeah, because so that and
Speaker 1: that happened like early nineties when they changed it. Yo,
Speaker 1: But why does it? Why does the pure essence of
Speaker 1: hip hop live in other places other than it's more appreciative?
Speaker 1: Is that the word I should have been using. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely more I think I think people have you
Speaker 1: have you experienced yeah, yeah, right, It's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that, But it's like, why don't do that home.
Speaker 1: It's my beef with loving hip hop? Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's not like they represent no, not at all culture,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying at all. And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Here in the States, the word hip hop is just
Speaker 1: it's wrapped music. By the way, I think it's the
Speaker 1: most hip hop as conversation we ever had on the
Speaker 1: show right now. So here's the thing. Okay, when we
Speaker 1: live it, I think we take it for granted, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes from people like us, and when people
Speaker 1: outside got a lot of corny ship to live through,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I don't think they go through the
Speaker 1: same kind of pain. They embrace and they do the theatrical.
Speaker 1: I think it's more theatrical. Like it's even like with
Speaker 1: with dudes who who who spit rise when never shot
Speaker 1: a gun and they're talking about shooting guns or never
Speaker 1: been in a real beef, it's theatrical, like you know,
Speaker 1: for me, I know what it's like to be shot
Speaker 1: at and to pull a trigger, and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to celebrate that ship. You know. So with a lot
Speaker 1: of people, they think it's just like theatrics they're trying
Speaker 1: to put on this persona because they think it's so cool.
Speaker 1: But it's like, yo, my dude, Like, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go out there and you're gonna dance
Speaker 1: and you're gonna try to look like a hard rop,
Speaker 1: you know you ain't really being you because you didn't
Speaker 1: you didn't have to live defending yourself worried about being
Speaker 1: fighting people every week. But that part was confusing to
Speaker 1: me growing up, Ceing B. Street. I was scared of you.
Speaker 1: We were a while back. No, no, no, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about literally because the way you approached the lead like Lee,
Speaker 1: I related to Lee, and then the way you were
Speaker 1: just looking at him. I was like, this, dude, right,
Speaker 1: here's gonna hurt somebody like it looked like it looked
Speaker 1: like how can you not? Like obviously, I'm young, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the time, and to me, be Boying was
Speaker 1: gangster like, I mean, wasn't it made to diffuse real? No? No,
Speaker 1: that's some bullshit that New York City Breakers made up. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. So they sent the ball Masters that they
Speaker 1: were a gamn killing me bro. So the thing is
Speaker 1: they did they did that that show that that's incredible,
Speaker 1: And I think Michael Holman was kind of like steering
Speaker 1: the narrative when they when they were talking. I'm guessing
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but um, look the dudes that
Speaker 1: that that put me in rock Steady. They were straight
Speaker 1: up stick up kids. And one of them, you know,
Speaker 1: he's doing a life bed and his name rings bells
Speaker 1: in the system, you know, and um, but they were
Speaker 1: notorious and the Bronx, he's kind of dudes that when
Speaker 1: they were rolling up to a jam and co course
Speaker 1: sees the man whoever sees them, they're like, yo, what's
Speaker 1: something like? They're giving them that love. So shout out
Speaker 1: to Jimmy d and Jimmy Lee. You know. So those
Speaker 1: are the creators of Yeah, yeah, I got that my
Speaker 1: notes too. But they were they were notorious. I wanted
Speaker 1: from one of the third Yeah, and uh, they used
Speaker 1: to hang around one eighty third and Davidson Cresting Crest.
Speaker 1: If you went to one eighty third and Cresting back
Speaker 1: in this late seventies, you were a stick up kid, talented,
Speaker 1: connected or stupid because you you know, you're not going
Speaker 1: there and leaving without getting stuck up. It's like when
Speaker 1: you went to the disco Fever. You went to the
Speaker 1: disco Fever. It ain't like you know, I know, everyone
Speaker 1: talks about how great it was in there in the
Speaker 1: secret room behind the curtain where everyone's syniphon coke. But
Speaker 1: in order to get through that block, you're literally putting
Speaker 1: yourself on the line getting stuck up. And thankfully I
Speaker 1: never got stuck up, but I went up in there.
Speaker 1: You know, makes a noise. You never get stuck up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even we was always we wants to do
Speaker 1: it stick ups, right, because that's that's that's what I'm
Speaker 1: watching the documentary. And you kept you kept h reiterated,
Speaker 1: and that you lived a double life like you got
Speaker 1: after the double life. One on one hand, you got
Speaker 1: would do a letterman, do a movie, do uh you
Speaker 1: know this? And and then or the other half actually
Speaker 1: stick it up. I think they said that you filmed
Speaker 1: a scene and since you park like at the same
Speaker 1: place we used to stick people. Yeah, we did an
Speaker 1: anti we did an anti drug commercial with Curtis blow
Speaker 1: waight up high. I didn't know that that's what it
Speaker 1: was you did an anti drug commercial high yeah, in
Speaker 1: the same place you used to roll people. And it
Speaker 1: was it was directed by the dude from the Chicago
Speaker 1: seven what's his name? They did the commercial the film
Speaker 1: on him god legendary leader of the Chicago Seven at
Speaker 1: point for rights, right, But yeah, so yeah we did.
Speaker 1: I mean uh and uh beach Beach Street ant scene yea,
Speaker 1: most of us. I took up the battle scene on
Speaker 1: the rock that was the roxy I thought was, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's a different one. But in the club scene, okay, again,
Speaker 1: most of us were like on acid. That's why I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I can't image y'all that because
Speaker 1: everyone thinks because we did. I just didn't know. I
Speaker 1: think a different drug of anity. But it's cool, man,
Speaker 1: bro y'all must have been tripping crack them. But but
Speaker 1: the was the paper assid right, because they got different
Speaker 1: they got different ass Now you understand, like I'm just
Speaker 1: walking around us. Back then, we didn't brag about dirt.
Speaker 1: There was no sense thing as like snitching on yourself
Speaker 1: like it is now on records, right, you know, so
Speaker 1: you didn't do that. You just you did your dirt
Speaker 1: and you shut up. You take shit to the grave, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely taking a lot of ship. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie to when y'all, when y'all, when I see when
Speaker 1: I see in the top of your Japanese risk, you
Speaker 1: gonna take all doing let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm so, but I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: There's nobody in the world that could have convinced me
Speaker 1: that that wasn't real. Like when y'all walked by each
Speaker 1: other like this this, I kid you not like I
Speaker 1: didn't know what cinematography was like, I didn't know you
Speaker 1: felt like it was like a documentary reality. By the way,
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that was y'all. Ray Joel,
Speaker 1: I know that that dog. Yeah, I know that. I
Speaker 1: know that now from knowing. But but back then me
Speaker 1: looking at that scene, I could not tell you. I
Speaker 1: could not tell you if y'all was acting. You know,
Speaker 1: here's a funny thing. We wore well, I think most
Speaker 1: of us wore most of our own gear. I think
Speaker 1: your seat breakers kind of wore a lot of the
Speaker 1: Puma stuff because they were like the main group in
Speaker 1: the in the film. Right, But uh, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to show up, but I don't shit.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of a lot of shit that
Speaker 1: they were putting out was corny, So we weren't trying
Speaker 1: to look like yeah, and thankfully we didn't end up
Speaker 1: looking like the Breaking movies where they're wearing fluorescent clothing
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. It was that, you know,
Speaker 1: you couldn't walk through that like that in the hood
Speaker 1: unless you were like a Madonna fan female. You know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready. And one of the things that I
Speaker 1: hear you frequently say is you said it was kind
Speaker 1: of kind of stop battating at one point because these
Speaker 1: guys were actually using your moves and using it against you.
Speaker 1: How how could that feel? At first? So my dude,
Speaker 1: Jerry Fonton, as I was talking to him one day,
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, rock steady for the nineties, rock
Speaker 1: steady for the nineties, and and you know, I was
Speaker 1: always thinking, like, Yo, what are we gonna do battle
Speaker 1: people who are doing my all moves against us? But
Speaker 1: and I was kind of upset with that. But then
Speaker 1: he was like, yo, my dude, like you gotta look
Speaker 1: at it like this. You created something that people are
Speaker 1: doing around the world, right and in the hood were
Speaker 1: thinking like, yo, you're biting my ship, like yo, what's up?
Speaker 1: And I instead of being flattered by it, yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to be flattered by it yet. And
Speaker 1: then at that point I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: But in the Bronx we had way more advanced moves
Speaker 1: than other people in other boroughs. So and I was
Speaker 1: going to use other burrows and they saw me do
Speaker 1: what I was doing. They were definitely stealing. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say my ship because there was other people
Speaker 1: before me, and I don't I never want to like
Speaker 1: take credit away from them. But they took a lot
Speaker 1: of the Bronx style. And then you know, some people
Speaker 1: got it, some people didn't. But you don't get to
Speaker 1: be number one without some whack motherfuckers around. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know you gotta beat some people flattery, let's say,
Speaker 1: flattery lemitation. But like you know, to ask like a
Speaker 1: cliche question like big Biggie Small said, did you ever
Speaker 1: thought that this would go this far? Like like the culture,
Speaker 1: like this commercialization? Because remember at one point being commercial
Speaker 1: was whack like if you like almost almost let me
Speaker 1: let me let me reiterate that. Not when we started, though,
Speaker 1: it wasn't considered whack that Okay, put us on because
Speaker 1: there was no industry for us. There was only opportunity.
Speaker 1: And bro look, my first show that I got paid,
Speaker 1: I got paid well nine. The second show I got
Speaker 1: paid anything substantial, I got paid fifty dollars, right, and
Speaker 1: it was that that show at the Grille. And when
Speaker 1: I got that fifty dollars, you know, I grew up poor, right,
Speaker 1: so like like by the time I was eighteen, I
Speaker 1: had ten different home addresses and so when I had
Speaker 1: that fifty dollars and I was able to go from
Speaker 1: my school across the street to the diner and get
Speaker 1: my own meal for the first time in my life. Wow,
Speaker 1: that you know, growing up in poverty, domestic violence, dysfunction,
Speaker 1: all that shit. That ship was everything to me. And
Speaker 1: not only that, it was the like, uh all up
Speaker 1: to all my people from the Bronx, but it was
Speaker 1: considered the burnt down bron Yeah, yeah, the boogie down
Speaker 1: bron I'm man, Frosty Freeze always used to call us,
Speaker 1: call us the boogie down and burn bron burned down
Speaker 1: the Bronx. Right, you know this, there's nice. The last
Speaker 1: time you've been in the Bronx. I've went around. There's
Speaker 1: like a there's like a park. It's so beautiful. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I forget where it's at. It's like not,
Speaker 1: uh is it? Man? I looked. I was like, they're
Speaker 1: fooling people. This is still but but I didn't think
Speaker 1: the Bronx would be gentified. It's stubborn, right, It's definitely stubborn.
Speaker 1: It's it's probably like one of the slowest moving paces
Speaker 1: out of any gentrification in the world. Right, and you
Speaker 1: live in Puerto Rico. Now I have a place in
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, and I also stay have my place. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, my back. You know what's crazy. I've recently
Speaker 1: um because I had too much sponsibilities in Puerto Rico
Speaker 1: at one point, like just just being out there trying
Speaker 1: to make the music and just but I recently just
Speaker 1: went out there and I fell back in love with
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico like this as soon as you and what
Speaker 1: was going on with the Puerto Rico Relief that the initiative,
Speaker 1: you're yeah, oh oh wow, it's crazy because there's certain
Speaker 1: things I can't talk about that because we found loopholes
Speaker 1: in terms of how to get supplies legally into into
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico legally, but you know, the system would change
Speaker 1: if we if I talked about it, and they probably
Speaker 1: put a block. There's a lot of political roadblocks to
Speaker 1: get This is bullshit. It's all about money. But you know,
Speaker 1: I've always felt like, number one, if I felt like,
Speaker 1: if I was going to contribute to any kind of
Speaker 1: tax environment, I'd rather buy something in Puerto Rico. Started
Speaker 1: with that, I ended up realizing that, Okay, well there's
Speaker 1: a lot of dysfunction within Puerto Rican history because of colonization,
Speaker 1: and if there's something that I could do to help
Speaker 1: people move forward, let me do it. But then you
Speaker 1: have it. It's in the line of disasters, you know,
Speaker 1: hurricanes and all that stuff, and you know, growing up
Speaker 1: poor and see my people struggle that that hit me hard.
Speaker 1: So you know, I went down there. Rebull helped me
Speaker 1: out to U going, you know, get a couple of
Speaker 1: private planes of supplies to go down there. I helped
Speaker 1: bringing water, right, Yeah, I did water filtration systems with
Speaker 1: organism Nation called Waste for Water, where we enabled two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people to have access to turning their water
Speaker 1: into clean water. This is when Trump was stolen them.
Speaker 1: Ye yes, yes, yes. And then you know earthquakes. I
Speaker 1: mean we've we've raised a lot of money, we've uh,
Speaker 1: we had an earthquake tool yeah yeah, that was in
Speaker 1: between Fiona and Maria. Get the funk out of here.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy. Now here's a wild shit. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: when you're going into an earth Japanese whiskey, we will
Speaker 1: see it. I don't know, yeah yeah, hell yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. Yeah yeah. So yeah, and you
Speaker 1: had an earthquake. Yeah, there's an earthquake. And and here's
Speaker 1: a crazy he says, like you could grow up in
Speaker 1: the hood and feel threatened and get something to protect yourself,
Speaker 1: But when you're going into a ground zero of an
Speaker 1: earthquake situation, I don't care how hard you are, what
Speaker 1: you've been through, you have no defense, right, and you
Speaker 1: know you're driving right to ground zero, and you gotta
Speaker 1: make the choice like, all right, well, this is how
Speaker 1: I die. And but the bigger picture is somebody got
Speaker 1: to go there, right, And those are the choices we
Speaker 1: make when we go into disaster areas, Like I could
Speaker 1: die today and I'm okay with that. And you're saying
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico was considered a disaster area at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every time there's aye, so why like you was so resilient,
Speaker 1: this is this is was crazy right, Well it's considered
Speaker 1: American property, colony, colony, colony. Yeah, but we technically Puerto Rico,
Speaker 1: the state technically Puerto Rico is under military rule, meaning
Speaker 1: meaning it was taken by force during the Spanish American
Speaker 1: War right after the Spanish is left like eight days.
Speaker 1: The United States said, is that why Lois is black?
Speaker 1: Black people? To me? And Lois no Puerto Ricos. Puerto
Speaker 1: Ricans were originally black b Yeah that talk. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, dark skin, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the reason why my hair when my
Speaker 1: hair grows, my hair grows into an affro. No product needed,
Speaker 1: right you know. But that's that's in US. So Um,
Speaker 1: like when even when people talking about the debate of
Speaker 1: like Puerto Ricans and hip hop and all that, you know, No,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe
Speaker 1: Joe has said, hold on, it's because your motherfuckers some
Speaker 1: crazy best Joe. Um, I'm forty five, Joe is I
Speaker 1: think a couple of years and I think you're like
Speaker 1: ten years fifty seven, fifty seven, okay, so what's that
Speaker 1: Joe's like? So for those that don't know, not only
Speaker 1: were you know, Puerto Ricans involved with the making of
Speaker 1: the music and the throwing of the jams. When it
Speaker 1: comes to how people and there's a couple of Latinos,
Speaker 1: there might have been some too in every element of
Speaker 1: hip hop, like because you know it's fucked up, Just
Speaker 1: go for it, bro, because I kids nowadays think hip
Speaker 1: hop started with Biggie and Tupop And what's fucked up
Speaker 1: is they don't go back in their research, but they'll
Speaker 1: have on a pair of Jordan's where he didn't play
Speaker 1: forty years ago. Right, how the fuck you making money
Speaker 1: off of this? And you don't know your history, but
Speaker 1: you know Jordan's. Jordan didn't give not one of us
Speaker 1: a free pass yet. But this is our mental colonization. Man.
Speaker 1: Do you know when it comes to like people trying
Speaker 1: to figure out the history or the anniversary date of
Speaker 1: hip hop, which is man suspect right that that date
Speaker 1: the year's suspect. It's like Christmas, Like nobody ready Christmas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's exactly like that. And the thing is that people
Speaker 1: have gotten so comfortable with a narrative or the romanticizing
Speaker 1: of a particular story or perspective that they're taking that
Speaker 1: as absolute. But there's enough data out there to cross
Speaker 1: reference and be like, well, geographically time, it's just impossible
Speaker 1: for certain things that have happened. And if you're looking
Speaker 1: at a flyer and then another person in that same
Speaker 1: flyer that says I didn't even know him that year?
Speaker 1: How am I? How am I on this flyer? This
Speaker 1: flyer's fake. So there's doctored flyers to to make up
Speaker 1: the history of him. I'm gonna say it right now. Fuck, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there is. But I do understand that we have to
Speaker 1: come to a consensus where it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: we got to celebrate something at some point, but but
Speaker 1: it just shouldn't be based off of a comfortable lie.
Speaker 1: Because if you're looking at all the archives that are
Speaker 1: being acquired by Cornell, Harvard, all these places, is when
Speaker 1: they start cross referencing, they're gonna be like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a lie. That's a lie. This person lived here at
Speaker 1: this point, he went to that school and all sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. And then even on the Puerto Rican and
Speaker 1: black things. It's like if you're looking at Disco Mario,
Speaker 1: this guy texts Hollywood I believe his name is, and
Speaker 1: cou Hirk being those absolute first DJs. Look, if you
Speaker 1: were back down back then, no one would know you're Latino,
Speaker 1: and there would be no reason for them to know
Speaker 1: you're Latino because we just lived amongst each other. Your problems,
Speaker 1: my problem. When we get pulled by the costs, we're
Speaker 1: getting pulled together in the bronx. So it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: whether you're black, Puerto Rican, or whatever. So for you,
Speaker 1: your background is what I'm black and Puerto Rican. Okay,
Speaker 1: So never had no need to say that back then,
Speaker 1: Disco King Mario black and Puerto Rican text Hollywood, Puerto Rican.
Speaker 1: But they look like you. And that's the thing that
Speaker 1: a lot of people who grow up in areas that
Speaker 1: are segregated don't understand. In New York, we're to stacked
Speaker 1: up on each other. We lock arms with each other.
Speaker 1: You know you're protesting. I protesting with you, and a
Speaker 1: lot of places aren't unified community. I heard you say
Speaker 1: something real, real important. You said if you was to
Speaker 1: take away I think you said Porter weekends. So if
Speaker 1: you take away Porter weekends in hip hop. If you
Speaker 1: take away Joe Conso's photos that's in hip hop, the
Speaker 1: whole story of hip hop becomes very difficult to tell
Speaker 1: because he's the first one, and he's from within the
Speaker 1: hip hop community to actually document what he was doing,
Speaker 1: you know, with just the environment. And he was a
Speaker 1: little chubby kid. I didn't even know him back then,
Speaker 1: but he just picked up a camera and started documenting.
Speaker 1: If you removed all of Joe Conso's photos, everything that
Speaker 1: we look at as iconic photos from the seventies, they'd
Speaker 1: be all gone because there's no one else. I think
Speaker 1: the reason why people even dispute this debate is because
Speaker 1: because they're stupid, because look, they're the young, stupid divisionists
Speaker 1: or don't come from our area and don't understand how
Speaker 1: black and Latinos in New York we fucking rolled different.
Speaker 1: Yeah we were not. I'm sorry, like to me, to
Speaker 1: my brothers, I don't give a fuck, Like we've never
Speaker 1: had to have this discussion, right because it's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: your beef is my beef. Let's go. But you can
Speaker 1: see how like a person from uh like East Los Angeles, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're they're so segregated, segregated and there, and then
Speaker 1: it's like places like Chicago as well, like where it's
Speaker 1: nothing but porter. Yeah, but still still it's still segregated.
Speaker 1: Like when I go to you know why I got
Speaker 1: the flag. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I
Speaker 1: love to go there. But I always remember, like some
Speaker 1: of my black friends don't like it, like they'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but even in the hotel, even those segregated
Speaker 1: areas will tell you that historically hip hop was the
Speaker 1: thing to bring everybody together. Yes, okay, even in those areas,
Speaker 1: it was still happening, right yeah, and you know, um
Speaker 1: when you're looking at it, like look, I went along
Speaker 1: in the nineties when I started to move around again.
Speaker 1: I went to San Diego and there was a sister
Speaker 1: in the gas stage something like yeah, give me whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm pump whatever. And she looks at me like, where
Speaker 1: are you from? And I'm like, she mean where I'm from?
Speaker 1: Because she could smell the New York on you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm from New York. She goes because you
Speaker 1: don't sound like no Mexican. Yeah, I mean that's what
Speaker 1: that's gonna She goes, you black. I'm like, I got
Speaker 1: that in me. But you know, Puerto Rican and we
Speaker 1: mixed like that. You know what a Puerto Rican was
Speaker 1: or this? No she didn't know what putocan. Yeah, no, kid,
Speaker 1: you not. If you pass passed Virginia sometimes it changes.
Speaker 1: It's still Latinos, but it changes to a different type
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, of course, yes. And you know this,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. You know, Dominican is everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was in Switzerland and they had a fucking Dominican restaurant.
Speaker 1: I said, the price was crazy anywhere, bro, I don't
Speaker 1: even think anybody in Dominican the Dominican restaurant. And you know,
Speaker 1: I want to be fine forget because I wanted to
Speaker 1: just shout out. This is organization UM called the Elijah
Speaker 1: Project in Rhode Island and it's black and Latino owned,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're starting a huge initiative in Puerto
Speaker 1: Rico as well as areas in the United States where
Speaker 1: we're going to really reach out to people in different
Speaker 1: communities of need and deliver furniture, appliances, all kinds of
Speaker 1: stuff and also have a nice partnership with Amazon where
Speaker 1: they're giving me budgets to find to source out people
Speaker 1: in desperate need as a result of disasters, and we're
Speaker 1: just you know, no politics, no religion involved, just humanity,
Speaker 1: like just helping people someways helping you just want to
Speaker 1: give them some love. Oh yeah, flowers. Well it's crazy.
Speaker 1: We want you to know. Our show was about giving
Speaker 1: people they flowers. I had so much fun researching and
Speaker 1: you know, into your life and we wanted to personally,
Speaker 1: face to face, give you your flowers because you're deserve it.
Speaker 1: Oh there, you go right over the beds. But let
Speaker 1: me give you something then. Okay, cool, let's go. I
Speaker 1: got something right here. I'm throwing my glasses because of
Speaker 1: old So my man Mayor one thirty nine, who's here.
Speaker 1: He was also in Star Wars. Okay, wow, hell yeah
Speaker 1: he is. He's the one actually the person who designed
Speaker 1: the BT Award as a yeah, we haven't gotten it yet,
Speaker 1: which we we wanted. We didn't get it. I can
Speaker 1: open it right, hopefully this pops off right. This is
Speaker 1: a little present for the show. Anything anything boys to
Speaker 1: represent be boys and Vegas to make sure there's always
Speaker 1: some B boy Vegan representation. And if you can tell
Speaker 1: me what I'm missing over what am I doing? You
Speaker 1: can come over here. If you want, yeah, please please, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's something that's supposed to jump off with. But this
Speaker 1: is the authenticity of it. Wow, I believe that's your
Speaker 1: music for your show. Sorry? Oh shit, Oh that right
Speaker 1: on the table. Yea, that is amazing. Make sure wind
Speaker 1: up like another award. Yeah. No. Diversity of the culture
Speaker 1: in the language. Absolutely, Yes, he's an original too, thank you, brother.
Speaker 1: He was probably into hip I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was into hip hop before me, but maybe around at
Speaker 1: the same time. Now that we didn't even call it
Speaker 1: hip hop until like eighty two, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't understand when you get into that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: in eighty two, So how is hip hop fifty then?
Speaker 1: Because you're saying it's blitz? Is it? It's fifty because
Speaker 1: you know, some of the elders don't want to stir
Speaker 1: the waters, and I get it. But in fifty years
Speaker 1: from now, when we're all dead, some person's gonna cross
Speaker 1: cross reference and be like, this is wrong, this is
Speaker 1: all So you're so you're saying hip hop eighty two,
Speaker 1: So what you put it? I'm put it this way.
Speaker 1: The people on that that first flyer and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are gonna be really upset with me for this.
Speaker 1: There are certain people on that flyer who said I
Speaker 1: didn't even know cou Hirk on that day. I didn't
Speaker 1: meet cool Hirk until two years later. And that flyer
Speaker 1: only showed up ten years ago. And what fly is this?
Speaker 1: So the famous flyers posted they're supposed to be the
Speaker 1: first jam Now, now whose name is on this? Yam? DJ?
Speaker 1: Clark Kent, the original Clark Kent, Tommy something. I forgot
Speaker 1: his name, um cool Hurk. But Clark Kent didn't know
Speaker 1: cou Hirk until two years later. Based on what he said,
Speaker 1: he had him twenty five And there's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff like you know, a lot of people think
Speaker 1: cool her started breakbeats. No it was a dude name stop.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no. But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: I'll get to the good ship. A guy named John Brown,
Speaker 1: that's his name. He's DJ at a club and cou
Speaker 1: Hirk went there. And I have coul Hirk's first interview,
Speaker 1: so I got the data, I got the receipts. So
Speaker 1: in there he says he saw this dude named John
Speaker 1: Brown spending at this club in the Bronx and then
Speaker 1: he was inspired. Now the thing is that, yeah, he
Speaker 1: inspired HERK, but HERK inspired the other people who really
Speaker 1: elevated and evolved everything into a different lane. So I
Speaker 1: would never take anything away from cool Hirk's contribution, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna embellish it. And even without the embellishment,
Speaker 1: he's still creaming a crop when it comes to the music.
Speaker 1: So because that's the one thing I feel like everyone
Speaker 1: hip hop kind of agrees with that Cool Hirk is
Speaker 1: the father. But he wasn't call the father of hip
Speaker 1: hop until Bambia told everyone to stop calling himself the
Speaker 1: father of hip hop. He told people, yo, don't call
Speaker 1: him Bamba, right, every we all used to call Bamboo
Speaker 1: father of hip hop? But why is that? Because Bamboo
Speaker 1: is the one who corralled the streets of hoods and
Speaker 1: the black maids and bringing out all the well I
Speaker 1: mean just in terms of like you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you threw a Zoom Nation jam, you'll see co
Speaker 1: Chris performing. You see Treacherous three, so sonic for us.
Speaker 1: So band was bringing everyone together. Band you know, also
Speaker 1: celebrated the b boys and the graffiti, like he made
Speaker 1: the elements come together to become he cold, He didn't
Speaker 1: curate it like that. But everything was treated as one family,
Speaker 1: you know. And in the early nineties, band was like, yo, stop,
Speaker 1: you know, don't call me the father of hip hop.
Speaker 1: But he was inspired by Herk as a DJ, so
Speaker 1: he was because he was inspired by herc. He wanted
Speaker 1: to give her Herk the ultimate hip hop thing, which
Speaker 1: is not fair because if you start taking a part
Speaker 1: the elements graffiti DJ and breaking him seeing okay, who
Speaker 1: is his peers in each one that I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: the exact same thing about him being a father of
Speaker 1: every element. It's not gonna happen. It's impossible. But I
Speaker 1: feel like we're talking about Socrates. Yeah yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: mean sense are no. And the thing is is that
Speaker 1: when you're looking at people like um Graham, mass of Chas,
Speaker 1: Mellie mel Uh and different writers like Lee Kenyona's Future
Speaker 1: or two thousand Uh Phase two, those dudes are like
Speaker 1: the coup hurts of their own element of hop. Right,
Speaker 1: So when you say ko Hirk is the father of
Speaker 1: hip hop, that diminishes the role of every leader from
Speaker 1: every other element of hip hop. But no one ever,
Speaker 1: I've never already heard no one else say what you
Speaker 1: just said, just now, because they're saying this because I
Speaker 1: talked shit, you know, you know, honestly you're saying they're
Speaker 1: saying it, but they're not saying they know it. I loove.
Speaker 1: I went to a meeting and I'm not gonna throw
Speaker 1: any names out because I love my brothers, man, But
Speaker 1: I went to a meeting where we were going to
Speaker 1: address cook That's okay, another drink, but I'm still a leader, right.
Speaker 1: So there was a meeting where someone was sent to
Speaker 1: as cool Hirk's representative, and the question got to the
Speaker 1: point where, okay, the cool HRK create hip hop and
Speaker 1: this is someone that's cool Hirks peered and he was like, no,
Speaker 1: but am I going to say that in public? No?
Speaker 1: And then he rightfully said, because y'all motherfucker's other ones
Speaker 1: who started calling him the father, you know, but we
Speaker 1: were told that by Banbada, so we didn't know better,
Speaker 1: you know. And even with that, it still doesn't take
Speaker 1: down cool Hirk and his influence, his impact on the
Speaker 1: community that he served. You know. It's just that there
Speaker 1: are more pieces to the puzzle. Look, I could easily
Speaker 1: sit here and say yo, I save breaking two times,
Speaker 1: you know, but how can I do that without competition?
Speaker 1: Who who my battle ain't to have saved it? Who's
Speaker 1: number Who's the number one record? You know, there's no
Speaker 1: number two. So I gotta give credit to New York
Speaker 1: City Breakers and Dynamic Rockers and all the crews that
Speaker 1: that I came up with, like from the Bronx Rockwell Association,
Speaker 1: the Bronx Boys, start Child of Rock, all these crews
Speaker 1: that will never get the attention because they never moved
Speaker 1: forward after that point. But I'm still going to recognize them.
Speaker 1: Let's get some clarity on what you're saying, because you're
Speaker 1: saying herk for the music, So are you saying that
Speaker 1: before that? Obviously the graffiti artist and the dancers, that
Speaker 1: was already happening. It was. I would say it was
Speaker 1: a genesis because because people say that Kirk came from Jamaica, yep,
Speaker 1: and he was that's like kind of how bringing the
Speaker 1: turntables together. That's a nice story. Oh my god. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're talking, if you're talking, if you're talking sound
Speaker 1: systems and where he comes from and that coming from there? Yes,
Speaker 1: But was that already in New York? Which I've seen
Speaker 1: this argument a lot, a lot, so I'll give you
Speaker 1: the doubt. There's a dude name Coup dj D who
Speaker 1: was already in the parks. Coo dj D was getting
Speaker 1: a new sound system. He sold his old sound system
Speaker 1: to Cool Hirk. That's when Coo Hurk came into the parks.
Speaker 1: The sound system that Ku Hirk talks about, what that
Speaker 1: he got from his father was a house system. That's
Speaker 1: why he could do the community centers. You couldn't bring
Speaker 1: that system out into the parks. It's gonna be like
Speaker 1: bringing a little box, right. So Coo dj D was
Speaker 1: that dude who he was already in parks. Mario was
Speaker 1: in the parks. There was a lot of people who
Speaker 1: in the parks, some people doing disco, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: as I would say, curated in terms of music the
Speaker 1: way Coo Hirk did. Because Coo Hirk is the one
Speaker 1: who curated that hip hop sound without a doubt and
Speaker 1: you and that, but not specific to the breaks. You're saying, yes,
Speaker 1: but the way the party was being done from Cool
Speaker 1: Hirk's perspective on changed it. But his inspiration came from
Speaker 1: this different people and his sound system came from someone
Speaker 1: else as well, So that meant that he wasn't the
Speaker 1: first in the parks, right, But even with that, he
Speaker 1: doesn't he was still the first major influence on the
Speaker 1: larger body of people, and that is fucking amazing, right.
Speaker 1: And I can have my differences with the timelines and
Speaker 1: inconsistent stories, but I will never take away his flowers
Speaker 1: because he deserves those. They just don't need to be embellished. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to bring you guys down. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's like, I believe that's the first time I heard that.
Speaker 1: It's the first time for me as well, like even
Speaker 1: if I did hear except the part of the of
Speaker 1: the turntables, because I feel like the same way that
Speaker 1: people have been trying to take away the Puerto Rican
Speaker 1: Latino side of it, they've also been trying to take
Speaker 1: away the Jamaican influence on it. So I feel like
Speaker 1: there's that argument going on. But here's the thing. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't and I wasn't. I wasn't there a couple
Speaker 1: of years before I started, So I don't know if
Speaker 1: Cool Herk was playing Jamaican music, but the only person
Speaker 1: I knew that was playing reggae was Bambada. He was
Speaker 1: playing Yellow Man Guy I can't even think of all
Speaker 1: other artists right now, but Bambada was the one who
Speaker 1: turned us on in hip hop to what would be
Speaker 1: considered rock steady, you know that style of reggae. Holy shit, man,
Speaker 1: I mean the tapes are there, you can hear them,
Speaker 1: and that's that's and that's the good thing is that
Speaker 1: these tapes exist. Thankfully. Tape Master the rest in peace.
Speaker 1: He just passed away. And that's another brother. We wouldn't
Speaker 1: have those musical references if tape Master wasn't making those
Speaker 1: tapes back then. Did DJs do that sometimes? Yeah? But
Speaker 1: if there was a first industry hip hop music industry,
Speaker 1: tape Master was the dude. He was the first, I
Speaker 1: would say, mixed tape king. Yeah, absolutely, so. I would
Speaker 1: you say that in your day you would battle to
Speaker 1: get your name, But then now it's like in order
Speaker 1: for a person to secure their name, they don't battle. No, no,
Speaker 1: no no. What I said was in order back in
Speaker 1: the days. And if you you had to battle to
Speaker 1: protect your rep. Oh okay, these days people avoid battles
Speaker 1: to protect their rep right right? Why? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like for me, if I heard you was like the
Speaker 1: boy whoever and you live like twenty blocks away, I'm
Speaker 1: like fourteen, I'm rolling up on your block, like, yo,
Speaker 1: you e a fen I don't know what you look like.
Speaker 1: You break, you want to battle, we battle right there
Speaker 1: in the concrete, or we go find a hallway and
Speaker 1: something like that. But that's what it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone put their reps on the line. I mean, look
Speaker 1: look at if you look at this dude, Gabriel was
Speaker 1: out on the boxer. Okay, his his warrior status in
Speaker 1: the game, even when he doesn't win. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: still held in high regards, right because he's a fucking warrior.
Speaker 1: He puts his name on the line, and even after
Speaker 1: he fights, his name is very well protected no matter
Speaker 1: what the outcome, right. And that's where the hip hop
Speaker 1: was built off of. Man, it's all we had, bro.
Speaker 1: We were poor, you know. The only thing you had
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, some props, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: met some girls something like that, and that was it,
Speaker 1: Jesus what it was. It was. The money came from
Speaker 1: stick ups. It was It's a street culture from the game,
Speaker 1: drug dealers with with like backyard right. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we no, we didn't do it like that. Um It
Speaker 1: was just like I like coming here, Like I was
Speaker 1: like the main dude in the streets anything like that.
Speaker 1: You know, we you dance, you practice, you get hungry.
Speaker 1: They said, you like you was the only way to
Speaker 1: jail a little bit. Everyone else with the jail, and
Speaker 1: he was like the only one that, like, should I
Speaker 1: have been in jail? Yeah, multiple times, but I don't talk,
Speaker 1: and that's just it. Like I beat a case where
Speaker 1: I was ready to take the charge, you know, I
Speaker 1: told my man just stand back, I'm taking everything, and
Speaker 1: I beat the case. So you know, I bullshitted my
Speaker 1: way through that too, So hold on saying no more,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, I got one more quick time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So you invented the wooden mill, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you originally called it the backspen the continue uh no.
Speaker 1: So there's two versions. There's just the backspen where you
Speaker 1: spend really fast, okay, which I called the whip back spin,
Speaker 1: and then the windmill, which was originally called the continuous
Speaker 1: back spin with the over legs. Yes, okay. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that was all I did that on like Qatona Avenue,
Speaker 1: Toronto and in a hallway just you was trying not
Speaker 1: to fall or something. I was trying not to hit me.
Speaker 1: You know, those two doorways, slim hallways, tenement buildings. It's amazing,
Speaker 1: and I wanted I overrotated, and uh, I just was
Speaker 1: trying not to, you know, for the fast, I try
Speaker 1: not to hit the walls with my feet. So I
Speaker 1: bawled up and sent tripical force with me around and
Speaker 1: I started spending real fast. And I did that when
Speaker 1: I was maybe thirteen and and and that was what
Speaker 1: we called the backs. That was, yeah, the backs been,
Speaker 1: the whipp backs been because your leg whips around and
Speaker 1: forces you to spend fast. So when did it become
Speaker 1: the member the windmill? Probably around maybe within that same year.
Speaker 1: I actually called it the continuous, but since we were
Speaker 1: after a while, we were already traveling years later, and
Speaker 1: people didn't know the names of these moves because more
Speaker 1: people were starting to break again, So names changed because
Speaker 1: people don't know. When I hanging out with every crew,
Speaker 1: we only hung out with our own crew, And at
Speaker 1: that point I had I was rock steady crews like
Speaker 1: five hundred deep, but it was stick up with kids,
Speaker 1: DJ's b boys, DJ's MC's hangout crew writers, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: We rolled thick man, do you realize that that's a
Speaker 1: writer of passage. Like if anybody is a dancer, if
Speaker 1: anybody really wants to take theirselves real, it's like, I
Speaker 1: think you got to learn I gotta know the rhym
Speaker 1: mail boy Yeah no, no, no no, I'm saying dancing overall,
Speaker 1: b boying, but dancing overall. It's like you have to
Speaker 1: know the windmill, the move, the moonwalk, and it's like
Speaker 1: one other dance. So so how the three dances popping, lock,
Speaker 1: and breaking? You know? Um? And then I mean some
Speaker 1: people in New York's are called electric boogie, which is
Speaker 1: a wrong version of popping locking mix together. It's like
Speaker 1: mixing south Side mad ain't get together. I like it.
Speaker 1: I like people people call it no, but I mean
Speaker 1: mixing the dance steps, which is two different rhythms, two
Speaker 1: different rhythms, So you can't do that. So a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know the history, don't know that popping
Speaker 1: and locking are two different dances the same way sce
Speaker 1: mambo a popping and locking different thing too. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: once pop was locking, and how did those two relate
Speaker 1: to what you guys were doing? Uh, that's West Coast
Speaker 1: stuff and the robot that's West Coast stuff, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: robot popping locker. Yeah, that was the electric Boogaloos, and
Speaker 1: the lockers would be one of the ones who are
Speaker 1: on Soul Train. And we on the East Coast used
Speaker 1: to watch Soul Train and a lot of people try
Speaker 1: to show up at the club. A lot of girls
Speaker 1: back then would try to do a lot of the
Speaker 1: moves from Soul Train, just for like like the social
Speaker 1: dance aspect of it, right, you know, it's funny. I
Speaker 1: was watching, right, and because I obviously I'm a little younger,
Speaker 1: so I don't remember ever anybody not ever being a
Speaker 1: breaking on anything but a cardboard. We started that. I
Speaker 1: got I got your story. I got your story. But
Speaker 1: there's a part that I'm watching and you said that
Speaker 1: you were doing it at first on the rubber mats
Speaker 1: under the swing. Yep. So when I was saying that
Speaker 1: on the former, I was like, yo, he just said
Speaker 1: that he started doing this shit on the rubber mats,
Speaker 1: and I'm realized, I'm speaking to my friend from the
Speaker 1: West Coast. He can't relate at all. He's like rubber mats.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys never had swings, And he's like
Speaker 1: he was saying I don't know. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: I mean they had said. I mean I was I
Speaker 1: was a kid in too. That's what's funny, Like we
Speaker 1: had the lead. Yeah, I'm listening. I'm listening to a
Speaker 1: West Coast guy. I'm listening to a SOB guy, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I just heard crazy like say that
Speaker 1: if they wasn't on concrete, the safest thing they was
Speaker 1: to do was on the rubber mats. And both of
Speaker 1: them was like, what rubber mats? And I'm like, you
Speaker 1: didn't have rubber mats? And they're like, by the swings,
Speaker 1: by the park, you didn't have rubber mats. No one,
Speaker 1: this is a New York City thing. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I thought the whole world had fucking rubber mats. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but describe to people because I also heard you say
Speaker 1: that you actually used to do it raw on the
Speaker 1: on on on a seaman. Yeah, we we started breaking
Speaker 1: on concrete definitely. How was we were bloody well, bloody
Speaker 1: b boys lifting all day. Yes, the moons were new
Speaker 1: and not mastered yet we'd have scrapes on a on
Speaker 1: a lower back say that. So, yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of blood at the beginning of
Speaker 1: breaking Wow, So who could whose idea was like, yo,
Speaker 1: let's go get the cardboard. So I ninety h t
Speaker 1: didn't answer them. In New York, there's a park there
Speaker 1: which is now known as rock Steady, but which is
Speaker 1: brilliant by the way, they fucking went and got cardboard.
Speaker 1: And I don't know who was the first one to
Speaker 1: do it, it's one of my guys. So right next
Speaker 1: to the park there used to be an Appliant store.
Speaker 1: So in between the park and the Applian store is
Speaker 1: an alley where they would put all their trash trash
Speaker 1: far boys, and the next store to that was a
Speaker 1: ninety nine cent store. So we would go there still
Speaker 1: still tape, and then we take climb over the fence
Speaker 1: full cardboard because we wanted to keep our gear fresh.
Speaker 1: Right that's when the carboards from. Yeah. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: to not fuck up your gear to spend okay, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So we wanted to stay fresh. I mean we didn't
Speaker 1: have much clothing to really just jump there, like yeah,
Speaker 1: I got my practice clothes and you know, my hangout clothes.
Speaker 1: So we would just set up and do that and
Speaker 1: I'll send you some images if he needed for the show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna lie like me being from New
Speaker 1: York City, It's like it's a proud moment for us,
Speaker 1: like to see people come together. Like I didn't even
Speaker 1: know what we were doing. Like I would go to
Speaker 1: because you know, from left Rack City, So I would
Speaker 1: go to USA Skating Ring. But I know, you gotta
Speaker 1: I got a story about that. I would go up
Speaker 1: there and it was like I didn't know it was
Speaker 1: a cool club at least at that time. And the
Speaker 1: people who wouldn't be able to get in there to
Speaker 1: go skate in or whatever, they would stay outside with
Speaker 1: the carboys. But these was like the guys like that
Speaker 1: means they didn't have like six dollars or three dollars. Oh,
Speaker 1: they ain't had no juice, you know. Like and I
Speaker 1: would sit out a DJ, so I would, you know,
Speaker 1: go there, and but I didn't know that was like
Speaker 1: a technique. I didn't really know, Like I didn't know,
Speaker 1: like I just would see this and this would be
Speaker 1: something like like I said, I'm forty five years old,
Speaker 1: so hip hop is older than me. I I have
Speaker 1: that in the run. Hip hop is older than me.
Speaker 1: I listened to it in my stroller because I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I can't remember where hip hop didn't exist, right, you're
Speaker 1: old enough to remember the time. Yeah, I. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because like as much as people call me a pioneer,
Speaker 1: like and then people try to separate generation this generation,
Speaker 1: that generation and still don't know the different definition of
Speaker 1: a generation, you know. But yeah, I started seventy seven.
Speaker 1: So if in my in the way I look at history,
Speaker 1: I would say hip hop starting seventy five. Okay, you
Speaker 1: know because most of the people, um, who can what's
Speaker 1: your name? What's the word? Uh? Stories? Most of the
Speaker 1: stories are seventy five, you don't. We just rounded it
Speaker 1: off to the nearest tent. I think so, I think.
Speaker 1: But I think that's still fair. That still hip hop though, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: still hip hop. It older, I think it's younger. I
Speaker 1: think it's younger by two years. Yeah, but I'm cool
Speaker 1: with settling. But I'm also understanding that somebody's gonna change
Speaker 1: that ship in the future when we're not around it
Speaker 1: and no emotions are involved, you know, they're just looking
Speaker 1: at times and and data and location and possibilities. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: So if I started in seventy seven and and when
Speaker 1: people say like, oh, Latinos weren't there, I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: how long did it take to create before we got
Speaker 1: in My brother wasn't first first time I saw breaking
Speaker 1: but DJ Africa Islam I was in seventy six. My
Speaker 1: brother was. My brother was a member of the organization
Speaker 1: which became Zulu Nation. Wow, it's before those mighty Zulu Nation.
Speaker 1: So it's like when they're talking about Latinos were in there,
Speaker 1: I'm like, my brother was a card carrying member of
Speaker 1: the organization. So and then this go Marrio like ko
Speaker 1: hirks peers. If you're talking about those three being the
Speaker 1: main three, two out of three a Latino. I know.
Speaker 1: I think I kind of asked this earlier about why
Speaker 1: you think they're trying to take that. I think they don't.
Speaker 1: I think they don't understand. Like, like, from my perspective,
Speaker 1: everyone in here is my brother, and from a New
Speaker 1: York perspective, that's how we rock. And if you grew
Speaker 1: up in those areas that have you lived in different communities,
Speaker 1: it's going to be different for them. And a lot
Speaker 1: of those different communities that if you have a Latin
Speaker 1: community here and they're that association with the associating with
Speaker 1: anything hip hop. There's probably gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: Latin music there, you know. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: we have our own struggles within the Latino community because
Speaker 1: if we're not into South Side, if you don't do
Speaker 1: a song and you don't drop Spanish in it, that
Speaker 1: die hard Latino community isn't going to really see you
Speaker 1: as there as anyway, you probably dropped more props for
Speaker 1: dropping Spanish. Well, that was why I left it originally. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: trust me, I remember. It changed the game, right, it
Speaker 1: changed the game. But I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: have a hard time because when you do look at
Speaker 1: those early images and there are dark skinned brothers there
Speaker 1: and you don't know there Puerto rican Also, because we
Speaker 1: didn't have to talk about it and then then check
Speaker 1: this shit out, then there are people who were Latino
Speaker 1: that didn't know they were Latino. Wow. So Graham makes
Speaker 1: a dst first person to win a Grammy and hip
Speaker 1: hop because of what he did with Herbie Hancock on Rocket.
Speaker 1: He found out three years ago. He calls me up,
Speaker 1: like your legs, we gotta go to Puerto Rico. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what YO found out? I'm a love. My father's from potted,
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, so that means makes a north from park. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The hard person to win a Grammy and hip hop
Speaker 1: is black and Puerto Rican. Got damn makes nor for me?
Speaker 1: Got damn? I think black. Hold, I'm using the bathroom, crip.
Speaker 1: I can keep going, keep going if you gotta use
Speaker 1: the bathroom, just H'm using to take that's killer baby normally.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That Scotch bourbon Yo. No that No, that's
Speaker 1: some real drinking shit right there. I gotta salute my
Speaker 1: hat to you. All right, are we doing quick time
Speaker 1: of sign? Right? It's a cool shots light? Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: fair warning, fair warning, thanks thankfully, I'm in walking distance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I rope, yes, all you will. Oh you want to go?
Speaker 1: You go first? All right. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna pick with this one. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: you're explaining on the rush you're gonna give you. I'm
Speaker 1: worried about the slime part. Two choices, two choices. You
Speaker 1: pick one and nobody drinks. You say both are neither
Speaker 1: and we're drinking. All of us are drinking. That's it.
Speaker 1: So if you politically correct, as you say, neither or both.
Speaker 1: Didn't we drink with you and we drink with you.
Speaker 1: We don't leave you out there by yourself. We drink
Speaker 1: which okay, we walk away fucked up to. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: saying politically correct and you say both like like for instance,
Speaker 1: right now, fast five Freddy or Ralph McDaniels. Ralph McDaniels. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you don't have to give an explanation if you don't
Speaker 1: want to. If you want Ralph McDaniels, Oh man, he's
Speaker 1: we need both. Yeah, Ralph McDaniels. I mean, he's one
Speaker 1: of the nicest guys you're ever gonna meet in a
Speaker 1: hip hop You know, he's a beautiful soul. He he's
Speaker 1: authentic hip hop. Even though his platform has been for
Speaker 1: rap music, he is well aware and supports everything good
Speaker 1: enough for me. You'll have TV raps or video blues
Speaker 1: based on his previous answer, yeah, yeah, video music style.
Speaker 1: It's a Colombian guy that got it. You got you
Speaker 1: got Beach Street or breaking two Beach Street. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: but we really want to say wild style, old style,
Speaker 1: wild style all day. Really, Yeah, we're explaining, Um, it
Speaker 1: was more, it was authentic, it was authentic and you
Speaker 1: know those storylines of the Oh no, I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm confusing it with breaking my bad. Uh, there's a
Speaker 1: Wild Style. I think that. I think Wild Style is
Speaker 1: the genesis for real hip hop movies, even before Beach
Speaker 1: Street or anything anything else, because everyone Wild Style is
Speaker 1: the first movie to select all of its um cat
Speaker 1: as based on actual legitimacy. In the game, there were
Speaker 1: no record labels involved, so you were in there because
Speaker 1: you were actually dope. And if you were in in there,
Speaker 1: there's probably like some paperwork issues. But everyone there was
Speaker 1: at the top of their game. There was no pen
Speaker 1: It seemed almost like a reality. She was so shot,
Speaker 1: so raw. Yeah, I should have been loving hip Yeah
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Jesus eighties or nineties
Speaker 1: hip hop fun. Take a shot. Take a shot. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why. Okay, go ahead, Well, let's take the
Speaker 1: shot first, and then yeah, yeah it take the shot.
Speaker 1: Oh eighties is my formative years as as a teenager. Right,
Speaker 1: so that's like the soundtrack of your life. That's your
Speaker 1: first girlfriend. You graduated with the junior high school in Manhatan.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I went to Yeah, I went to junior
Speaker 1: high school Manhatan. That's why I got my name A
Speaker 1: girl in wood. She said you got some crazysy too,
Speaker 1: and then that's how she said it, right. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like Rosario, So nineties, I've been you for like
Speaker 1: a month, just so you know, I've just been you.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm goad um. Nineties for me,
Speaker 1: in my mind is like the jazz era of hip hop,
Speaker 1: which is quote unquote the golden era is called well eighties,
Speaker 1: late eighties, it's golden well, I mean I think it's
Speaker 1: late eighties going into mid nineties. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 1: the golden era. I didn't know what you mean by jazz,
Speaker 1: by jazz meaning you had talking all that jazz. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: So when you look at NAS and you look at
Speaker 1: Pete now Pees Little, yeah took Nas, We took on nineties,
Speaker 1: We tooking Tang. Yeah. The production mob d like everything
Speaker 1: and and and the lyrical content, yeah was there was
Speaker 1: so much diversity from you know, from fight the Power
Speaker 1: to fucking to the Daisy Age. You know, so I
Speaker 1: like that diversity there. I felt like hip that was
Speaker 1: hip hop's best voice in terms of diversity. Yeah, nineties,
Speaker 1: nineties fuck the police. Yeah. In terms of style, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you have political you had love every ver. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because island out there they told my ship we own point.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, cool, you got the
Speaker 1: next one. MC lighter Queen Latifa take the shot for
Speaker 1: all females across the world yet to pick pick. Trust me,
Speaker 1: we need and we need both both. Ye Okay, I
Speaker 1: would say, are you still picking out of there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a tough I'd rather not pick. You don't have
Speaker 1: you don't have to toss up. Okay, you go for you.
Speaker 1: We drank for you. Yeah, we don't want you to
Speaker 1: do that because they buy both. Call you say what
Speaker 1: the buck? Now, I'm just playing ahead. We're going windmill
Speaker 1: or head spin wind mill. I'm about to get a
Speaker 1: shot for that, because that's all I know. The dude
Speaker 1: that's made the wind mail. I'm using you as bragging, right,
Speaker 1: like anybody ever say, I'm not hip hop like I
Speaker 1: know the nigga that made the wind mail. All right.
Speaker 1: The next one originally was mad. When we were putting
Speaker 1: this in the list, I didn't think they matched up.
Speaker 1: But have you seen the mash up they've been doing
Speaker 1: with these guys? Wu Tang or n Wa Wu Tang.
Speaker 1: They've been mashing up Wu Tang with Nwa with Wu
Speaker 1: Tang beat. Right, it's amazing, but it's crazy because we've
Speaker 1: been asking this question for the past couple of months.
Speaker 1: We make it all happens crazy. Yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 1: Wu Tang all day because it's that. Is that because
Speaker 1: it's the regional thing. Yeah, I'm fucking straight. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. I like Nwa though I really
Speaker 1: appreciate them, But I mean I'm also looking at the
Speaker 1: decades a body of work, right, you know my thing
Speaker 1: is um, I'm also at East Coaster, so I go
Speaker 1: with Wu Tang. But one thing I always give uh
Speaker 1: to in the UA. If you never went to California
Speaker 1: before and you heard that first album, you were, they
Speaker 1: brung you to California because we just didn't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like again, I'm younger, Like I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: thought California with surfboards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers say your mother, you already had the boy
Speaker 1: came first iced he didn't come out of came up before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tell you what. They didn't say that in the movie.
Speaker 1: Check this came out first. I'm not Tea before we
Speaker 1: went up and he was a dancer, wasn't he too? Yes? No,
Speaker 1: but no six you said iced Tea, ice C that's
Speaker 1: what That's what I but he was already talking about Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that didn't get to me. That got to me. Team
Speaker 1: might have came out too, but I think before Colors, Yes,
Speaker 1: king T, But what's I get? What's the d for you?
Speaker 1: Like for me? Because I now I'm like getting older
Speaker 1: and like I told you, like I told you, I
Speaker 1: must have heard right Because Island first, because when I
Speaker 1: heard straight out of Compton, I thought Compton was a jail.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I don't want to go to
Speaker 1: the young Yeah, and I'm thinking like like how people
Speaker 1: talked about right Because Island at that time, like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you know what I mean. So but getting
Speaker 1: back to my point, Yes, I did hear Iced Tea.
Speaker 1: I wasn't old enough to discipher what you saying. I
Speaker 1: did hear king T, but Nwa was old enough to
Speaker 1: say I don't want to go there. Yeah. Their impact
Speaker 1: because and I didn't get to see their videos. All
Speaker 1: I got to hear was they vocals their lyrics, so
Speaker 1: it gave me imagination. You know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: it's like read a book. You ever read a book
Speaker 1: where wherever this book is that you're there. That's how
Speaker 1: Nwa was. That's how I think Nwa honestly, from my perspective,
Speaker 1: my opinion, Nwa was brought an emotion that hip hop
Speaker 1: didn't have before. That I felt like when I had
Speaker 1: you heard all kinds of rapping, like the action like
Speaker 1: Mellie mell was the was the message, and but n
Speaker 1: n w A, you felt that you felt that intimidation
Speaker 1: and then p yeah in hand in hand pe But
Speaker 1: but you felt like this intimidation and anger from Nwa
Speaker 1: that you hadn't felt in rap music to that point.
Speaker 1: And I felt that that changed everything. Poked the bear. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: do we take a shot for this or no? Because
Speaker 1: he picked wolcheck, Let's take a shot. Let's take a
Speaker 1: shot just for uh huh yeah. We we just speak
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, So right right before we were going
Speaker 1: on a wild style tour. That's how far back. Just
Speaker 1: make the noise of him flowing so holy shit, I go, yeah, me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what me. First of all, it
Speaker 1: sounds that some wild Ship Africa Islam. Yeah, Africa much
Speaker 1: the first DJ from rock Steady as well, and he's
Speaker 1: an original B boy. But you know, we were all
Speaker 1: wild I'm back then, so I go to meet up
Speaker 1: at Africa Islam because we're like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get it. We're gonna buy an eight ball, and you
Speaker 1: guys were wilding. Oh no, this is only to tell
Speaker 1: on the plane. Oh yeah, yeah, come out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember cigarettes in planes. I don't know if I heard
Speaker 1: this correct. You just say you had to borrow eight
Speaker 1: ball to set slay it on the plane. The plane, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's thirty people from the hood going on tour. Nobody
Speaker 1: got access to anything. It's boy probably the first hip
Speaker 1: hop smugglers, right. You know his name is Africa Slam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he used to come out here when when we used
Speaker 1: to come out here with DJ raw on them. So
Speaker 1: when I went to go pick him up to go
Speaker 1: on tour, Iced Tea was staying at his place. So
Speaker 1: they are here already. I see. It was already connecting
Speaker 1: with the East coast. But yeah, we ended up buying
Speaker 1: like an ounce of weed and the eight ball and
Speaker 1: then we're on the plane and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: my man. You know, people smelling weed on the plane,
Speaker 1: smoked weed on plane. Don't tell me you'll smoke yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and in the back you just I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a time that cigarettes, you smoke weed. The suction he
Speaker 1: thought worked. And then our managers like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what kind of drugs you guys got on you, but
Speaker 1: you guy, this better do all of them because by
Speaker 1: the time we get to Japan, the police are waiting
Speaker 1: for you on the way Japan. Yeah. Yeah, you know Japan.
Speaker 1: Don't play yeah yeah, you get canceled for weed in Japan.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you know we're doing that. And you know,
Speaker 1: the only I think, the only sober one was like Bambata.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone's on like acid and blow and weed
Speaker 1: and and now we gotta do it. We gotta consume everything.
Speaker 1: Now it sounds like a great flight. Though I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie to was crazy that I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I try. I'm trying to sit here and be like,
Speaker 1: oh nah. And then I'm sitting here like this sounds great.
Speaker 1: The whole back of the plane was a cloud of smoke.
Speaker 1: Holy shit. Yeah, and and and the drinks were free
Speaker 1: back then, yeah. I mean I always go on like
Speaker 1: every plane now and then I look at it and
Speaker 1: I see this leftover ass tray in there, like it's
Speaker 1: a tiny bit of ass like this was used one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a couple of times. You never flew on
Speaker 1: a plane where they were smoking, right, yeah, back in
Speaker 1: the day, Yeah, Miami that we we were on japan airlines.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Yappanese. Yeah, Yappanese on your parents airlines.
Speaker 1: And you know I got I actually have all. I
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of behind the scenes photos from
Speaker 1: all those trips that I've never been public. We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna do out what I'm talking to this dude,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Beaver from the National Museum of Hip Hop and DC,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna set up a tour of those photos.
Speaker 1: Did y'all here's the national question, Did y'all do drugs
Speaker 1: in Japan? When y'all landed? We found weed? I have
Speaker 1: we found weed because I got a picture of Grand
Speaker 1: Master of cast holding a bag of weeds. Were smoking
Speaker 1: even back then. Huh yeah, just grand he came here,
Speaker 1: smoked the whole his whole episode, whole three out. He
Speaker 1: smoked every run. Yeah, I mean I'm down. Oh you smoke.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you smoke. Okay, shit, you know, we
Speaker 1: got joints, and you give me some joints I got yeah,
Speaker 1: give them one of those, give the one of notes.
Speaker 1: This is what the Yeah, please as much as cash, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah yo. So there, Now, I got to ask
Speaker 1: you this before we go to quick thom slim, before
Speaker 1: we go we in it, before we finish it. Hold on,
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Okay, let me get one of
Speaker 1: those two I got one. I got one, I got
Speaker 1: one of them. Give him a lighter, give him lighters on.
Speaker 1: Thank you. This is an old school questing because all
Speaker 1: of y'all started with easy witers. What was the yeah bamboo,
Speaker 1: big bamboo, Yeah, big bamboo. I'm my bad, my bad,
Speaker 1: big bamboo and easy waters. Right, when did the transition
Speaker 1: from joints to god damn, I expect you got all
Speaker 1: right now you brought it? Yes? Where did it go
Speaker 1: from papers? Two joints? Well, the papers were joints back then,
Speaker 1: me from papers and blunts, papers with blunts out, my bad?
Speaker 1: You know what I meant? Then? That was with white owls,
Speaker 1: white owls. Yeah, leather. That's like smoking leather's definitely that
Speaker 1: had to be easy early eighties not closer to me.
Speaker 1: Uh shit, man, like eighty three eighty three, eighty three,
Speaker 1: okay around that. Yeah. I used to get shipped for
Speaker 1: free all the time, So I don't know all of this.
Speaker 1: You said White Owls came before Philly Blunt or was
Speaker 1: it Philly Blunt? White owl didn't Dutch Masters, I think
Speaker 1: first White House. Yeah, Philly Bloom Moses like everybody would
Speaker 1: walk around with Tippo Rilloso. Okay, Tipper Rillos, I remember that. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's fill this quick time. Let's go back. Yea Dougie
Speaker 1: Fresh or Biz Marquis took a shot you dais is
Speaker 1: my dude. Man, I love that brother man, so let's
Speaker 1: do a shot for him. Yeah, let's do a shot
Speaker 1: for it anyway. Yeah, yeah, I like that he picked
Speaker 1: but still took a shot. I mean yeah. Biz became
Speaker 1: a very good friend of mine, right, and I hooked
Speaker 1: him up with a bunch of archives and we were
Speaker 1: doing it trade. And I found out that he was
Speaker 1: doing trades with everyone, but not trading. Does that mean
Speaker 1: archives from everybody? I need that soul sonic for records
Speaker 1: or mixtapes from yeah business, getting everyone's archives of dupes
Speaker 1: and then never never hooked up anyone else. You didn't
Speaker 1: get the white um cover. But that was dude. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to bust rhymes, a eminem oh buster rhymes, Okay,
Speaker 1: radio or podcasting podcast? God make I'll take the shot
Speaker 1: for that. I'm taking a shot for that. You can
Speaker 1: say whatever the fuck you want to over here. I'll
Speaker 1: take a drink of that. H m hm DMX or tupacetx.
Speaker 1: It seemed like you want to say something about that.
Speaker 1: I was never into tupocket And I know people don't
Speaker 1: don't agree with me, but you know, it just wasn't
Speaker 1: my thing. Dmax reminds you of that New York Streets ship,
Speaker 1: and I relate to that New York Streets ship the
Speaker 1: most right. And you know you ever got to meet Tupac.
Speaker 1: I met him once, saying at USA Nightclub and Times
Speaker 1: Square and then we had a fight. There's a big
Speaker 1: fight in the club after that would me and my
Speaker 1: boys and no, no, no, I met him. Then I
Speaker 1: went downstairs and got into a fight against mop Tops.
Speaker 1: You know, he leade for us boot stretching all of those.
Speaker 1: We had a big fight with them. Then I had
Speaker 1: to fight with the bouncers. It was crazy. You're glad
Speaker 1: you calmed down, sir. Yeah, yeah, I mean whatever. Well,
Speaker 1: rest in peace to both of them. Yes, Tupac, Yes, legends,
Speaker 1: slick Rick or rock him to take a shot, sir,
Speaker 1: rock him. Let's stop it telling them to take shots.
Speaker 1: We got a little manser. I just don't be oneing,
Speaker 1: you know, I know everybody got a personal relationship. And
Speaker 1: I rocked him because he made a lot of beats
Speaker 1: that I can dance too as well. I was into
Speaker 1: his lyricism, like you know, I really I already knew
Speaker 1: about storytelling from Graham Massa has so that was already
Speaker 1: part of hip hop. Who him And at a certain
Speaker 1: point in my life, I was a five percenter. So
Speaker 1: you never stopped being a five percenter unless you start
Speaker 1: eating port Still I still don't eat Park, Okay, then
Speaker 1: you're still a popercenter. Go so um I when he
Speaker 1: was spitting that, it's kind of like when WU Tank
Speaker 1: spitch shit and you walked you You were on the
Speaker 1: country when they first came out, you know, most of
Speaker 1: the country didn't know what the fuck brand Nubian Wu
Speaker 1: Tang or Rock Him were talking about when they started
Speaker 1: spitting knowledge. You know. So I always found it funny
Speaker 1: one when white people would recite certain things like yo, no,
Speaker 1: they had no idea, they had no idea. Okay, kras
Speaker 1: one a Cougi rap. That's a good one. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm you know what you gotta say. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take Cougie Rap. No, your face is said, let
Speaker 1: me take both. Okay, I'm gonna say Coogie Rap Okay.
Speaker 1: And that's because you can't lead the witness. And this
Speaker 1: is like my whole fucking ghetto trauma of hanging out
Speaker 1: with people who are wild, like I can relate based
Speaker 1: on like all the people that died around me, and
Speaker 1: I've been into dirt. What Cougie Rapp is talking about,
Speaker 1: I mean, caress one is the remedy for that. M So,
Speaker 1: who did you pick? Cougie Rap? Okay, your Colombias and
Speaker 1: Dominican of publics, you have distracted? Yea, bro, come on,
Speaker 1: I'm talking guys, I talking about which one of you
Speaker 1: talking about? Come on, get some work distracted you're messing
Speaker 1: us up. Okay, m oh whoa Okay, got it big
Speaker 1: Daddy King or coo J taking a shot. Take a shot.
Speaker 1: You gotta take a shot. You gotta shot so that
Speaker 1: drink don't count. You gotta take a shot. He has one, Okay,
Speaker 1: he has one. Right, Look it's a little, it's a little. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I would have said, Big Daddy Kaneyo, guys,
Speaker 1: I would have said Big Daddy Kane. I'm sorry, I um.
Speaker 1: I would have said big Daddy came. But what sealed
Speaker 1: the deal for me where llo cooj is that when
Speaker 1: Red Alert was DJ and that big CD big City
Speaker 1: Diner on Eleventh Avenue in Manhattan, I think he was
Speaker 1: doing the party red Rum and uh Ll show it
Speaker 1: up and he got on the mic. He just rocked
Speaker 1: off of breakbeats and he spent rhymes that were not
Speaker 1: on his records, and he just I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: like that's what I respect. And that's when I grew
Speaker 1: up on So when I saw Ll spitting like straight
Speaker 1: up fire, like I'm gonna just fucking burn his mic
Speaker 1: and dropping him bounced, he did that ship and that's
Speaker 1: when I was just like, Yeah, jip beyond records. Both
Speaker 1: legends when Yeah Disco Fever or the sound factory, just
Speaker 1: go fever because I was lucky enough to get up
Speaker 1: in there, and I knew I was too young to
Speaker 1: even being there sixteen. I went in there at uh yeah, sixteen,
Speaker 1: fifteen to sixteen. Did you know you were living history
Speaker 1: when you was? Nah? Man, he was wild. We didn't
Speaker 1: appreciated about it at all. Say that before I heard
Speaker 1: you say that you weren't even living in the moment,
Speaker 1: like you didn't. You didn't appreciate like anything that you
Speaker 1: kind of was going. No, we didn't. So when we
Speaker 1: would go to places, first time we went to France,
Speaker 1: like hey, we want to take you to go see
Speaker 1: a town, We're like, nah, take us to the hood,
Speaker 1: you know, and the hood over there, it's like it's Ethiopian,
Speaker 1: is Turkish, it's rocking, it's yeah. Yeah, So that's what
Speaker 1: we felt comfortable. We didn't feel comfortable doing all those
Speaker 1: things that I feel like, I'm lucky to have had
Speaker 1: a second chance because it would have been nice to
Speaker 1: have done some of those things. But you know, you
Speaker 1: grew up in the Bronx and you're not cultured, and
Speaker 1: it's a maturity thing too. I'm sure you were. It's
Speaker 1: crazy because yeah, it's crazy because I swear to guard
Speaker 1: me and my uncle Wise and my first two or
Speaker 1: three tours around like kind of like the world. We
Speaker 1: we we were making it our point not to take pictures.
Speaker 1: Well that was that was the error. That was the error.
Speaker 1: That error. Look shit that we back. Remember when we
Speaker 1: did the magazine. We don't got pictures. We could even
Speaker 1: believe us our memories. I can fix that shit. Yeah, crazy, yeah,
Speaker 1: make it up. Goddamn the flyers. We could ask chat
Speaker 1: gpt the history. Yeah, when when was hip hop started?
Speaker 1: See what that cross references? Holy shit? All right, Biggie
Speaker 1: or Big L music, Biggie friendship big out. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a shot to me. You had a relationship with
Speaker 1: big Yeah, that's no, no, no shot, Drake. Come on,
Speaker 1: this is drink. Can I let you cheat? That's come on,
Speaker 1: let's go shot little stot, Little you deserve your flowers.
Speaker 1: Shout out, big out, big out. It was funny man.
Speaker 1: The rest of when the first time, first time I
Speaker 1: hung out with him, he tell me some fucking wild story, Like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you know what tea bagging is? Oh shit, that's when
Speaker 1: the girls laying down and you drop your balls in
Speaker 1: her mouth. Like, Yo, this motherfucker is funny. I mean
Speaker 1: his lyrics. No, yeah, I think he signed some point.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you meet somebody and he's talking to
Speaker 1: you about tea bag, he would say crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's like the first couple of words he said
Speaker 1: to you. He just man, that's what he was wild,
Speaker 1: Like he said, nice to meet you all that, but
Speaker 1: know I fuel because you know I grew up y'all
Speaker 1: always cracking jokes like that was amazing. Cool. Now, every
Speaker 1: time I think about me and a big I love,
Speaker 1: I love. Yes, the girl picked me up. It was crazy. Um.
Speaker 1: Before he passed away, he was like he was like
Speaker 1: he was gonna change his style, but he listened to me,
Speaker 1: Cameron and DMX and because of that, he just stayed
Speaker 1: everything nice. Yeah yeah. So and it was like I
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't even know he knew who I was.
Speaker 1: So that's always one of the biggest columns. And I
Speaker 1: feel he was one of the illest lyricists at that time. Yes,
Speaker 1: and and then you know he was there was the
Speaker 1: whole thing that he was going to sign the Rockefeller
Speaker 1: I think if that would have happened and he would
Speaker 1: have been here, and that's the whole thing. Also him
Speaker 1: signing with with Sony with like with nas like. I
Speaker 1: believe that he would make a choice because bigger he
Speaker 1: was on Columbia. Yeah, I said Sony, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was all it was a oh yeah, that's yeah, that's why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank correcting that. Okay, a rock shot or the real
Speaker 1: rock say taking a shot? Damn yeah, I can't just
Speaker 1: I don't you know, heard her thing? There's so few
Speaker 1: female representations to take any of them down. Ain't cool.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a good one. Got a cold crush? Oh
Speaker 1: thanks crush you Nah, I don't matter. I'm cold crush
Speaker 1: all day? Why why? Because that was all right? So
Speaker 1: I knew it was first five the other one I
Speaker 1: know you didn't matter now don't matter because I knew
Speaker 1: co Crush before cast was in Cold Crush. Damn damn.
Speaker 1: So the original co Crush Brothers was It was Charlie Chase,
Speaker 1: a Little Black, Teddy, ted Missus, t Bone, Cisco Kid
Speaker 1: and Easy a D with that with Tony Tone and
Speaker 1: Charlie Chase. That's the first actual hip hop tate rap
Speaker 1: Tate I heard. So that's what got me into it
Speaker 1: fully co Yeah, and then you know, then Coquest became
Speaker 1: like co Curus embodied battling. You know. So everything that
Speaker 1: I was as a B boy, co Crush was the
Speaker 1: top tier in the rap game. Sounds good to me.
Speaker 1: A tropical Quest or brand Nubian. And that's that. We
Speaker 1: were talking like that because it's like, here's a funny thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's my here's my inner conflict. I've had issues with
Speaker 1: members of both crews. What words yea with Quest, don't
Speaker 1: tell me his wife five my dog piece? No, Jerobe,
Speaker 1: I love Jerobi. Yeah. So I wanted to book Q
Speaker 1: tip for something and I wasn't asking for a discount
Speaker 1: and he was kind of like treating it like I was,
Speaker 1: and it was giving me to run around and was
Speaker 1: it time he was dating? I'm Janet Jackson. Uh No,
Speaker 1: this is maybe like seven five years ago, five six
Speaker 1: years ago so now, but this is after Viber now
Speaker 1: that I think about it, five years ago, yea after
Speaker 1: so all right, So here's the thing. So we have
Speaker 1: a back and forth and I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: who fuck this motherfucker think he's talking to right now.
Speaker 1: And it's like I goof around and I could play
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But I could become a different
Speaker 1: person if I have to. So this is yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so well it was a different We talked on phone,
Speaker 1: but he was banging his chest a little something while
Speaker 1: he was on tax and I'm thinking, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's confused right now, like he's talking to the wrong dude,
Speaker 1: because and I said, you know what, my dude, you
Speaker 1: do you fuck you? And by the way, when you
Speaker 1: had that beef with rex and effects and all that,
Speaker 1: all that all that hardware was waiting outside in case
Speaker 1: something jumped off. I'm the one that supplied that shit
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, yeah, so that's why. But then I
Speaker 1: love his music, you know. So and then you know,
Speaker 1: Lord Jamara with the whole trying to separate black and
Speaker 1: lat you know, as I'm not with that shit, you know.
Speaker 1: But then I love you know, I have an affinity
Speaker 1: to the gods. Wait, I thought Lord Jamar, I mean
Speaker 1: I Lard Jamara. Um, it was Lord jam People are guests. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he said Puerto Ricans are guests in headline? Did he
Speaker 1: say that? Yeah. I spoke with him. I spoke with
Speaker 1: him on the phone and and uh. He started to
Speaker 1: get a little live with me on the phone. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: my dude, Like again, I don't know who the fuck
Speaker 1: you think you're talking to, but I'm not the one,
Speaker 1: like what's up? And then you know, we get to
Speaker 1: the question of like yo, I asked him, like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: if you think we're a guess how long did it
Speaker 1: take to create hip hop before we got in because
Speaker 1: now you have to deal with actual facts and timelines.
Speaker 1: And they's like, oh, yo, I gotta go get my kids,
Speaker 1: Like I'll call you right back. And he never called
Speaker 1: me back. But you know, to me, I only make
Speaker 1: those calls and I don't do it online because that's
Speaker 1: some bullshit. I called them up. You know, we hit
Speaker 1: each other up directly. I'm like, you know, because I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that we're not contributing to the
Speaker 1: division of black and Latino people when we need to,
Speaker 1: we're we're stronger. It's like, it's like this, somebody told me,
Speaker 1: because we have our own ship within Puerto Rico. Someone
Speaker 1: said on a panel, They're like, yo, Puerto Ricans need
Speaker 1: to decide whether they want to be three million on
Speaker 1: the island, five million elsewhere, or eight million together. So
Speaker 1: for me with black and Latin, you know, I'm like, yeo,
Speaker 1: let's sayings together because we got the same struggles, you know,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, we all know
Speaker 1: that dividing conquer is the place. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: the problem, Yeah, the problem is that a lot of
Speaker 1: fair skinned people, whether they're light skinned Black or light
Speaker 1: skin Puerto Rican, they start playing that car and that's
Speaker 1: where it becomes difficult for us because they want an
Speaker 1: easy path. So you know, yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 1: the funk I got to that because brand Nubian out,
Speaker 1: but yeah, man's I got love for both of them.
Speaker 1: But I think that's we We all have inner family
Speaker 1: conflict within hip hop. So I don't think you picked either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, yeah to the Rex and effect, for
Speaker 1: I kind of want to hear this. Okay, So we
Speaker 1: know the story, you know, the beef and the first
Speaker 1: first story was back exactly so bo Bo that's the
Speaker 1: big homie. Yeah, so Bo that was my dude, and
Speaker 1: we had um some transactions going on, and uh, he
Speaker 1: was just like, Yo, we're gonna do this thing at
Speaker 1: the mosque, but we don't know how it's going to
Speaker 1: happen and we need we need some weight, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I got you covered. So we made sure
Speaker 1: that a lot of the whale wells around the mosque
Speaker 1: were this is when they were gonna squash it, or
Speaker 1: this is when he was when they were gonna squash it.
Speaker 1: But we didn't know what was gonna happen, but we
Speaker 1: had to be prepared. And it was one of us
Speaker 1: was from Harlem, right slash Virginia and yeah, so we
Speaker 1: had to make sure that you remember what they beef
Speaker 1: was about. Yeah, it was hardcore rapp that new Jackson
Speaker 1: said it in the right. It's some immature bullshit. It was.
Speaker 1: It was pity everyone was young, but um at that
Speaker 1: time that happened to be have access to certain things
Speaker 1: and it was my little side hustle in between jobs.
Speaker 1: Haven't hammers huh yeah? Yeah yeah and distribution and yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just supplied what needed to be there and
Speaker 1: make sure that yeah, down I was back in qute.
Speaker 1: Tipp was hardcore bro, but he never knew. Like again,
Speaker 1: I don't talk like now we could talk because it's
Speaker 1: like like I would pass childhood bullshit. Seven had nothing happened.
Speaker 1: It's like seven years. This is we told about thirty years. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: but there's no statutory on murder. No, no, we can't
Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah, thank nothing happened. Yeah no, exactly.
Speaker 1: Nothing happened, thankfully because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: for you and for hip hop, yeah exactly, because that
Speaker 1: would have been bad for everybody, everybody. But you know,
Speaker 1: to me, I just felt like, yo, qute tip just
Speaker 1: say yes or no. You don't have to string me
Speaker 1: along like and don't talk down to me. Especially you
Speaker 1: don't even know that I fucking had your back and
Speaker 1: you didn't. I never even threw that at your face
Speaker 1: to let you know that I was the one taking
Speaker 1: care of everything. I mean, maybe it was a miscommunication
Speaker 1: with you guys on the day. I mean, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to benefit all cute tip man's act. Hey, here's the
Speaker 1: thing I think, but you got to work it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but but but somebody should never underestimate the
Speaker 1: power of a person in front of you. You know.
Speaker 1: And I may she'll be cool or whatever, but if
Speaker 1: my back's up against the one, I have to flex. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have the means, But I also don't hang out
Speaker 1: with certain people because I know that if I have
Speaker 1: an issue, they want to accelerate shit to the worst level.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I had to stop hanging out with
Speaker 1: a lot of people that would ride or die for
Speaker 1: me like that because that should will get me killed. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's stay positive energy. Yeah, I'm more about helping people,
Speaker 1: pushing hip hop and yeah, let me tell you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the thing you do not understand. Number one, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you guys because thank you. You know, not
Speaker 1: many people can maintain that relevance this long, that this
Speaker 1: game and giving it to our heroes. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's just hold on, let me just stop you for
Speaker 1: one second. I don't mean to make it's about you,
Speaker 1: but you're a hero. Thank you, like um all the
Speaker 1: things that hip hop has received a black eye for
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, and sometimes I won't fall absolutely Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I know the dumb shit that I've done
Speaker 1: in my life. Right, Okay, let's finish quick time A
Speaker 1: slim well he was saying, he was talking, Okay, let's talk.
Speaker 1: I forgot I got love for both of them were
Speaker 1: already trained. Okay, yes, New Jack City or Juice, uh
Speaker 1: New Jack City. Okay, you don't need to explain unless
Speaker 1: you want to. No, I just didn't like the fucking
Speaker 1: last line of juice. I'm like, well, you got the
Speaker 1: juice now, because you remember when that word came that work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. This was corny the way they used the way.
Speaker 1: But I mean, juice is a great mean you listen
Speaker 1: to that and then you hit rock Kim's Sake the juice. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: this one. I don't know where you're gonna go with
Speaker 1: this one. You're saying it, yeah, I gotta go. I
Speaker 1: gotta say this one. Nas or jay z Nas I've
Speaker 1: I bought and and those are two of my top
Speaker 1: all time MC's. But there's no other M in every
Speaker 1: form that I bought more than Illmatic and what you
Speaker 1: meaning form from CD, VINLS, TD to everything. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you know I DJ also, so that means your records
Speaker 1: getting sucked up, stolen or whatever, and you know you
Speaker 1: gotta have that allomatic. Your alomatic saved my life. I
Speaker 1: gotta do. Yes, you gotta do that vinyl or tape
Speaker 1: vinyl or tape NL. And that's the ef An answer too.
Speaker 1: I think you take a shot just for that. Just
Speaker 1: you relax, relaxed, relax. The next one is a good
Speaker 1: one for me. Kick Capri or red Alert, Red Alert. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know Kick Capri before he blew up. I know
Speaker 1: him from the nineteen eighty when he used to hang
Speaker 1: out with this other crew over on the Upper West Side.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I knew him before his fifty stallion at
Speaker 1: that time. No, he was you know, he happened to
Speaker 1: I don't want to get him something. He used to
Speaker 1: hang around with this group called the Shamrock Crew. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. Shit is that they're fucking Shamrock Crew
Speaker 1: but they're all black. I didn't get that right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you a funny stories. So we're in
Speaker 1: a Zulo meeting one day and this brother walks in.
Speaker 1: It's like a recruitment day, and you know, we bug out.
Speaker 1: We're all stupid. But you know, if somebody say something
Speaker 1: funny or or something to make you think you're gonna
Speaker 1: say something. So say you had the Zulu meeting, Zulu
Speaker 1: Meeting and bron day in the nineties, recruitment day. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this dude, there was this one crew that comes
Speaker 1: in and they will all put Puerto Rican and they're like,
Speaker 1: we'll called the lepre couns, and Bambada's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna call your selves out of what you
Speaker 1: are culturally, why are you calling yourself like that, like
Speaker 1: you're like lucky Charms or what it was your deal?
Speaker 1: And then this other brother, he was super dark skinned
Speaker 1: Ethiopian style, and this motherfucker says, yeah, my name is Spook,
Speaker 1: and we're like this, like yeah, what the fuck? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? Oh yeah, oh Baky has kicked. All right,
Speaker 1: let's put critize. We want to talk about. Okay, guy,
Speaker 1: Studio fifty four, Land Quarters, Latin Quarter. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 1: been there, but I did perform at Studio fifty four
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty or eighty one. But you said you've
Speaker 1: never been to where like quarter, never went to lan
Speaker 1: Queener Pickie land Quarter. Yeah, because that's a significant hit,
Speaker 1: legendary right right right? Yeah, I respected that. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: you want to do take this so me and yeah,
Speaker 1: and you always say that this is the only one
Speaker 1: that everyone should kind of take a shot for because
Speaker 1: we believe one goes with the other. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You can do whatever your it's loyalty or respect, oh, loyalty.
Speaker 1: Loyalty is the definition of respect. We agree. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why we're taking a shot for that. Yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not why we're taking a shot for We're just taking
Speaker 1: a shot. You wanted to elaborate on that, like, why
Speaker 1: is loyal to the definition of respect? Um, you can
Speaker 1: still respect someone fuck up on them, but you can
Speaker 1: still be loyal to them. You know. I could fuck
Speaker 1: up on you, could be whatever's going on in my
Speaker 1: own head. Yeah, but intent is everything. I don't intentionally
Speaker 1: mean that ship And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we could be at odds. But if we have a
Speaker 1: certain amount of history between us, when you're at your
Speaker 1: worst moment, I'll be there for you no matter what.
Speaker 1: I expect that. Yeah, I'm that dude. Let me ask you,
Speaker 1: when you've traveled internationally battling, what country has been the biggest, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest headache and battle, like who who
Speaker 1: really was a force to reckon with internationally? Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: like a big battles, international battles and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I've never really had to do. Um, But what I
Speaker 1: recognized is what other people bring to the game. And
Speaker 1: a while back, I went to Russia to this place
Speaker 1: that's close to the border of Kazakhstan and was born
Speaker 1: back there, so he was battling. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: All these little white kids are like the best dances
Speaker 1: in the house. They got fucking mad, soul flavored rhythm,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, what kind of pain did these
Speaker 1: motherfuckers go through? Right, you know? And then they told
Speaker 1: me that they were from like a war torn area,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so so what growing up the way I
Speaker 1: grew up and all of our it's around us. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I get it, Like I can see
Speaker 1: like like when like either you have I feel like
Speaker 1: either you have soul or you don't, or you just
Speaker 1: haven't found your lane yet. But when you see people
Speaker 1: who are dancing and that it's not theatric it's just
Speaker 1: the real pain that they show, I think that's dope
Speaker 1: and I can relate to that. So it was there, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes I feel like you could be
Speaker 1: like the dopest visually dynamic person, but if I could
Speaker 1: walk away feeling your emotion as you're rocking out, that's
Speaker 1: more important to me because I'll remember that more and
Speaker 1: I'll never forget those kids now, Like I'm bringing it
Speaker 1: up now, I don't know they've never met them, but
Speaker 1: they left an impression of soul in me and that
Speaker 1: was better than any meals like in that part of
Speaker 1: the world. And I and we we've talked about this
Speaker 1: story several times, like they really fight to have hip
Speaker 1: hop in their lives because we went nothing else, like
Speaker 1: we had nothing. We went to Russia and the people
Speaker 1: that brought us out work were called hip hops, you know,
Speaker 1: Russians against racists, like they were bro and then they
Speaker 1: had they had they had the buttons. It actually star yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I've had interesting experiences in Russia. No, Russia's hard.
Speaker 1: I was brought out there by by Lola Card. Oh,
Speaker 1: which is what Ola Card. The people that run ship
Speaker 1: the richest motherfucker the un likes people like the people
Speaker 1: that that's yeah, these are like the richest people. And
Speaker 1: when you're talking about power, these people can just like
Speaker 1: open up a bank in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: that kind of power. Yeah, so I got to do it.
Speaker 1: Russia is an interest. It was good financially good, but
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't enjoy ourselves. No, we went to
Speaker 1: the clubbing man has key masks. Let me connect you.
Speaker 1: Then I got the blood. We got the heat phase.
Speaker 1: I want to go, well, after they stopped fucking warring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the Russian people, Funny and the one who
Speaker 1: made this right here, he also used to be a
Speaker 1: stick up kid too. Goddamnit, he's throwing you under the bus.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker used to walk walking around with a big
Speaker 1: ass blade corporate. Yeah no, and Sunny didn't murder yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah nah. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: number one. I don't know if you ever heard anyone,
Speaker 1: but you know, we actually used to go sticking up
Speaker 1: with your brother too, wow with with Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you how dumb ship was back then, since we
Speaker 1: were so young and and I'm not gonna throw their
Speaker 1: names out there, but there was these two kids that
Speaker 1: we stuck up outside of a graffiti like now an
Speaker 1: art supply store. They had just they had just stolen
Speaker 1: away whatever they stolen, and then we robbed them, and
Speaker 1: then a week later they became part of my crew.
Speaker 1: Makes sense. Weird shit, but let's get let's get to
Speaker 1: this story right to New York City Breakers. They were
Speaker 1: originally floor masters. Yes, and you hand picked the floor
Speaker 1: masters because according to their story, I believe this is
Speaker 1: their story. Their story is convenient, but their story was
Speaker 1: you guys picked them because you thought that y'all could
Speaker 1: beat them. Now. So we had this show coming up
Speaker 1: in the Grill nightclub and that was like nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 1: and we were tired of doing shows where we would
Speaker 1: perform a battle y'all against each other each other, yes,
Speaker 1: and we knew we had these little rivalries in the city,
Speaker 1: like New York City Breakers, some of them we all
Speaker 1: went well, some of us went to Kennedy High School.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, y'all, you know, the same
Speaker 1: way I selected Dynamic Rockers, which got them into Star Wars.
Speaker 1: I selected New York City Breakers because it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: let's have a real battle, right, And that's how And
Speaker 1: then it's funny thing is that Michael Holman who became
Speaker 1: that manager. He asked us that same night, like hey,
Speaker 1: I want to be a manager, and like like as me,
Speaker 1: Frosty Freeze and take one and again like arrogant, ignorant motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: We're like laughing in his face, like nah, I get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here. No, hell no, And he
Speaker 1: ended up meeting Floor Masters that night, and that's how
Speaker 1: they became New York City Breakers because he started managing them.
Speaker 1: So floor Masters floor Masters became New York City Breakers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did they have other I swear there was floor Masters
Speaker 1: out here in Miami. No, it may have been a
Speaker 1: different crew, Okay, yeah, but they didn't have chapters Flora
Speaker 1: floor Flora floor floor floor. You know flow who from
Speaker 1: the commercial she gives you so but I'll tell you
Speaker 1: a wild story just to your show. One day, we
Speaker 1: go to dance Cteria, right, and we go on a
Speaker 1: night that isn't our night. And this is a place
Speaker 1: where you mean, isn't our night? Like like like we
Speaker 1: had like that party that went from the grill went
Speaker 1: to danceteria. It was called Wheels of Steel, and yeah,
Speaker 1: would have from Tuesday or thursdays. It would be on
Speaker 1: like Wednesday, Wednesdays. Because then it turned the name of
Speaker 1: the party was Wheels is still Wednesday, Okay. And so
Speaker 1: we go on a different day. I'm like, hey, you
Speaker 1: know the guy's guy who's a legendary dorman, uh danceteria.
Speaker 1: Here we ended up being like the guy at the Palladium.
Speaker 1: Um like hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no, this is guy Howie. Uh so yeah, I
Speaker 1: know I know, yeah, yeah, and I got beef or whatever. Okay.
Speaker 1: So um, we go into that ceteria and we're going
Speaker 1: there like we all dudes like from the hood, and
Speaker 1: it's just like all gay, Like all right, well this
Speaker 1: might not be all night. So it was a gay
Speaker 1: gay it was a private party. It turned out that
Speaker 1: it was gay. And we go there and we're like
Speaker 1: looking on stage and it guys on the mic, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he brings someone up on
Speaker 1: stage and dude starts giving him head on stage and
Speaker 1: we're like yeah, and we're like yo, all right, well
Speaker 1: we gotta get out of here now, like this ain't
Speaker 1: our scene. Let me do that thing. So I get outside.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, how we um just happened on stage?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Oh that's Freddie Mercury. Oh s
Speaker 1: birthday from Queen Freddie Mercury from Queen. He was the
Speaker 1: one get yeah, And I'm like, yo, what the fuck man?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's crazy but legendary all at the
Speaker 1: same time. Hey, I wanted to I may as well
Speaker 1: bring something good, right, I don't know what to say,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty Murcury though, right from Queen. No you
Speaker 1: don't know who it is? Yeah you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, even a rhapsody up. Yes, but no, some
Speaker 1: of my point is no Instagram back then. No for
Speaker 1: hip hop back yeah, for hip hop back then. The
Speaker 1: reason why hip hop became successful was because there was
Speaker 1: a genesis of the reggae scene, the punk round scene,
Speaker 1: and what was happening in the hood. So all those
Speaker 1: things coming together, it was just like a culture shock
Speaker 1: and we're like, y'all, these motherfucker's a wild or whatever.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, even with with like whatever
Speaker 1: the gay scene was, and even if a lot of
Speaker 1: us were like raised homophobic, um, a lot of that scene,
Speaker 1: they're the first ones to give us a stage. It's
Speaker 1: the counterculture side of it. Everything was counterculture. Yeah, that's punk.
Speaker 1: It was all counterfuls. And our manager was a punk person.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of gay people within her world,
Speaker 1: and those connections that she had to put hip hop
Speaker 1: on stage was from that community. The same here in Miami,
Speaker 1: some of the first hip hop parties were at known
Speaker 1: gay clubs. Not the parties weren't gay, right, not, but
Speaker 1: the only people that would allow the parties to happen
Speaker 1: in their venue were venues that were doing gay events. Yeah, easily,
Speaker 1: that's facts. The person who got us true are yeah
Speaker 1: yeah moment man, no no, no, no, hey that I
Speaker 1: brought you up. That's oh, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. That was a venue that
Speaker 1: and it's been this. But here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Either we could confront our reality. It is our way
Speaker 1: through life. It doesn't make you anything different who It
Speaker 1: just makes you a better person to be able to
Speaker 1: like be like all right, cool, well, no problem whatever
Speaker 1: you know. But um but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you can't deny that. Like, if you want to talk
Speaker 1: about how hip hop got its platforms, its first platforms,
Speaker 1: you might want to question who those people were, because
Speaker 1: there may have been people there who are looking out
Speaker 1: for you that you actually grew up not liking. Expand
Speaker 1: on that, meaning that if you're a fucking homophobe but
Speaker 1: you don't know that and you love hip hop, but
Speaker 1: you don't know that a lot of those clubs were
Speaker 1: clubs that were owned by gay people or run by
Speaker 1: gay people, but gave hip hop its first platforms, it's
Speaker 1: how oh shit, and then you gotta hate them, like
Speaker 1: I'm not a homophone. I don't give a fuck. You
Speaker 1: know it ain't hurting me, right, and you know that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's real. Yeah, that's real. So let's talk about USA
Speaker 1: Skating Ring. You went out there, yep in Queens and
Speaker 1: you said you broke even uh yeah, yeah. So we
Speaker 1: went out to their turf and to me, if I
Speaker 1: battle you on your turf for your crowd and it's
Speaker 1: and by by audience, it's a tie, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking in my mind, yo, we smoked these motherfuckers, like like,
Speaker 1: I'm in your neighborhood and it's a tie, and we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't. We're not bringing our own judges. So we
Speaker 1: ended up getting a gig at Lincoln Center August of
Speaker 1: eighty one, and and and we're don't watching Lincoln Centers
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. I always thought Lincoln Center was in the bronx. Well,
Speaker 1: what what's the thing about Fordham for the Forum? Because
Speaker 1: for Fortam has a bronze campus. Okay, so um I
Speaker 1: invite you know. That's that's how we ended up battling
Speaker 1: dynamic rockers for a second time. And that's when it's
Speaker 1: like for Melsey's on my we are I don't even
Speaker 1: know who the DJ was. But um, it was the
Speaker 1: first time hip hop was at Lincoln Center, right, and
Speaker 1: that was just like the definitive, like neutral ground, like
Speaker 1: we smoked you motherfuckers, and like if you were interviewed them,
Speaker 1: they would never talk about it, right, it never even
Speaker 1: comes up in there in their history. Mister lead you
Speaker 1: over there making noise in your way, Dominican b B.
Speaker 1: You're the only one talking. You know, one who starts
Speaker 1: he makes the stone gave me quiet, no one, no, no,
Speaker 1: we don't like listen. We know we know that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell me to do it, mister Lee get to
Speaker 1: Porto Ricans and not getting along. God, so they were
Speaker 1: like the new the New Hicks. We already went through
Speaker 1: our face all shit, crazy likes. Hey, but it's true
Speaker 1: at one point we went them. It's always a new group.
Speaker 1: And now in New York, well, I'm not gonna get it.
Speaker 1: They'll get offended if I bring it up right now.
Speaker 1: Oh now, mistill, He's like, I can talk now. You
Speaker 1: always have people us at the handball court because we
Speaker 1: were nice. Yo. But but but yo, bro, how the
Speaker 1: hell are you have the Benjamin Button's disease? You would
Speaker 1: verse in ages. You still look exercising of dancing. Actually,
Speaker 1: I slacked off on my exercising. I love boxing, that's
Speaker 1: my that's my that's my first love right there before dance.
Speaker 1: So I love doing that. And um yeah, my girl
Speaker 1: fucking be on my case because she's Japanese and she
Speaker 1: eats different. Yeah no, I think, Um, a little bit
Speaker 1: of denial goes a long way. It's gym, a little something.
Speaker 1: I choose not to be overweight as best I can,
Speaker 1: and that's difficult because throughout my life, I've been through
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. If you know, like if there's
Speaker 1: like the six million dollar man that's to me, I've
Speaker 1: had maybe seven surgeries. I probably need three more. Yeah
Speaker 1: remember him. And you know, it's crazy because I'm a
Speaker 1: part of hip hop, which the element determines when you stop.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not me. The element decides that. It's like,
Speaker 1: all right, your body's done. You can't like you can
Speaker 1: keep you can spit bars. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all good. It's cool. Yeah, I ain't injuring my elbows. No, nor.
Speaker 1: I used to be going like, you know, what's a
Speaker 1: crazy thing had? And this is like the main turning
Speaker 1: point for me as a kid is that um I
Speaker 1: was scheduled to be in the Junior Olympics for boxing,
Speaker 1: but I didn't have the fourteen dollars registration fee and
Speaker 1: that was when it was like, okay, well I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be dancing instead. So you know, boxing is my first love.
Speaker 1: I love fighting. I don't mind getting punched in the face.
Speaker 1: It's cool. It wasn't um uh v boying and the
Speaker 1: Soufa Olympics wasn't in the Soufa Olympics. It was in
Speaker 1: the Youth Olympics. It's called in twenty eighteen and what elsidas? Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah cool? And now is is it going to get
Speaker 1: in the twenty It's in twenty twenty four Paris? And wow? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I still have my reservations because I need
Speaker 1: to see how it plays out. Because to me, if
Speaker 1: there needs to be a pathway that leads back to
Speaker 1: the hood, that creates a level playing field for black
Speaker 1: and brown people to be able to have access to
Speaker 1: the resources that gets them to your Olympics, because it
Speaker 1: comes from us, and if it comes from us, we
Speaker 1: should have that first opportunity at a level playing field.
Speaker 1: And are they also going to create some sort of
Speaker 1: ambassadors to ambassador ambassadorship ambassador ship program that leads into
Speaker 1: communities to educate people on how we as a people
Speaker 1: contributed and created this, because how does this system work?
Speaker 1: Like these people come and compete and then if they
Speaker 1: win the Olympics, they get the gold medal or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they lose, they completely out of they go straight
Speaker 1: back to the hood. That's it. So and so for me,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, is the Olympics the
Speaker 1: great fucking international platform. Yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But basketball is in the Olympics, but the Olympics will
Speaker 1: never be the NBA. So we need to maintain our
Speaker 1: ship when it comes to like those independent events that
Speaker 1: hip hop throws and continue to support those because the
Speaker 1: Olympics is once every four years to make hip hop
Speaker 1: and the people here the elite, yeah, just like NBA elite. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that means that we have to lift each other
Speaker 1: up instead of take each other down. Right, That's real.
Speaker 1: That's Could you imagine people training to be in the
Speaker 1: Olympics as B boys and B girls and they don't
Speaker 1: even give a fuck about hip hop at all as
Speaker 1: a culture. I can't imagine that like, I want to
Speaker 1: train to play handball and the Olympics. Yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican player. I did think handball me too. Olympics,
Speaker 1: I would like, oh I thought it was no. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that they called it some mother
Speaker 1: ship when it was in the Youth Olympics. They called
Speaker 1: it some they called it so not one. Like like,
Speaker 1: right now, one of my messengers missions is, uh, can
Speaker 1: I raise some sort of money through some sort of
Speaker 1: corporation or organization that is hip hop to support the
Speaker 1: people that are representing breaking in the Olympics, because right
Speaker 1: now there's not one hip hop entity that's supporting any
Speaker 1: B boy of B girl in the Olympics right now.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me Rock Nation is not nobody, No
Speaker 1: Rock rocks that zero nation nation, Yes, one revolt, no one,
Speaker 1: absolutely no boy. And these people need and here's the
Speaker 1: thing they need to nobody. No One's zero. That's a
Speaker 1: pill nobody about rock Steady. I would tell you, well,
Speaker 1: if we had the resources, I do it immediately, no problem.
Speaker 1: I mean I should maybe just say that maybe if
Speaker 1: you say, maybe maybe this is where it happens, you know,
Speaker 1: G unit Unit. But shouldn't Rock steady, be like consultants
Speaker 1: to what they're doing to oversee. Yeah, but then you
Speaker 1: have to figure out, like, all right, who are the
Speaker 1: people leading cash money. I don't think the record of
Speaker 1: that money. I don't think the record should be pair enough.
Speaker 1: I mean to sponsor, Yes, sponsor made some bread, sponsor,
Speaker 1: Yes we want you know what I watched. I watched
Speaker 1: this golf tournament that it was similar to that where
Speaker 1: if you win the golf tournament, you get everything, but
Speaker 1: if you lose, you get nothing. But the people that qualify, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the people that don't get nothing, they still have
Speaker 1: private jets, They still because these people who sponsor them
Speaker 1: just because they had their logos on yeah yeah, something
Speaker 1: like that. And that's what I'm trying to advocate for
Speaker 1: because I know the brothers and sisters that are in it.
Speaker 1: And if it's crazy, because six hundred thousand gets from
Speaker 1: through the next year into the Olympics to be able
Speaker 1: to make the qualifiers, hire a trainer, you know, meal programs,
Speaker 1: all that stuff doesn't even start at the qualifying level
Speaker 1: like the DS like like DMC, like shouldn't it be
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah it does. But I know the people
Speaker 1: who already guaranteed to go in who have done enough already.
Speaker 1: But it's like they may have like small sponsorships here
Speaker 1: and there, but there's no one footing the bill to say, yo,
Speaker 1: you're good from here to the Olympics. That should only
Speaker 1: cause six hundred thousand dollars. That's it each person or
Speaker 1: the whole group, the whole group, oh wow, to give
Speaker 1: them some peace of mind and be like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't have to work, you know, I could just focus
Speaker 1: on dancing, you know. I mean, if it's Olympic, that's
Speaker 1: the way it should be. Yeah. And then the fact
Speaker 1: is that like that ship was born here and a
Speaker 1: lot of watches got more. Yeah. So the thing is,
Speaker 1: if you look at I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: other countries, they're supporting their people. The country US is
Speaker 1: not not one company in the US. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you, is that hip hop's responsibility? And that's but
Speaker 1: that's why I set first. There's not one hip hop
Speaker 1: entity that has stepped up. But maybe we don't know that,
Speaker 1: like maybe no, but but actually I know what you're
Speaker 1: stepped up to inquire. I'm not gonna bring them up,
Speaker 1: but anybody but yeah, yeah, nah, nah, you have another
Speaker 1: shot get this man another shot, and we go we're
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna play at least you know how I
Speaker 1: get down. Yes, yes, yes, yes, but you know you
Speaker 1: know what this is. This is I don't take a
Speaker 1: shot too, this is this is a hip hop save
Speaker 1: his own I believe that people are four fallers. You know,
Speaker 1: CO signed this show. And it's not about you know,
Speaker 1: blowing nobody up. It's just about telling the truth, not
Speaker 1: to say you know what I mean because you had
Speaker 1: a brother on here the other day and we went
Speaker 1: and and and and and then he says to me,
Speaker 1: you know this, this is gonna get me in trouble, right,
Speaker 1: And I go, it should right, and it should? You listen.
Speaker 1: I say this a lot. Maybe I didn't say this
Speaker 1: on the show, but the truth is more powerful than
Speaker 1: a lie. Always if it's a truth, Yeah, if it's
Speaker 1: a truth, go for it. The truth is more powerful
Speaker 1: than a lie because a lie you don't identify with
Speaker 1: the line and correct. A lot of lie will go
Speaker 1: away eventually. But the problem has their own truth. No,
Speaker 1: not when it's four niggas at his own table and
Speaker 1: everybody saying I remember that that is one's millions percent
Speaker 1: solid to the truth, and when you try to run
Speaker 1: away from that, it's going to pot back up. That's
Speaker 1: all I mean. Hold on you, I'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 1: like when it comes to the truth. The way I
Speaker 1: see it is like this, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that I know. I know that the deep shit, that dirty,
Speaker 1: I know that dirt. But even if they die, it's
Speaker 1: that the safe zone because when they died, it's still
Speaker 1: got kids. I gotta fucking live that legacy. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want, I don't, so I choose to make
Speaker 1: sure that you know, honestly, like if we did dirt
Speaker 1: together and you fucking even if you turn your back
Speaker 1: on me, I'm still not gonna snitch, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's bigger than that for me. And that could be
Speaker 1: my own ghetto trauma, stupidity or whatever it is. But
Speaker 1: that's just however, and that's everybody should have moral grounds
Speaker 1: that they stand on. I could suck up a lot
Speaker 1: of people's careers right now easily, you know, and people
Speaker 1: I probably deserve it, but I'm still not gonna do it. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's real ship. Now, let me ask you, B boy
Speaker 1: originally stand for boy. Yes, yeah, So we established that
Speaker 1: breakdown dancing isn't what B boy. So when you see
Speaker 1: people from Brooklyn calling itself a B boy and people
Speaker 1: from Queens, yes, no no, no, no no no, so
Speaker 1: no because she evolves and that's cool. Only it's only
Speaker 1: when you're not that. So I was in San Francisco
Speaker 1: and like around ninety three and I go to this
Speaker 1: event that run DMC isn't and you asked one DMC
Speaker 1: about the B boy and they say, because when it
Speaker 1: came to Queens, it's signed a f lie Yes, damn ye. Yes.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, because I was sitting there, I was like,
Speaker 1: fuck to say the juth as a queen's worst. I
Speaker 1: wish they had a better answer or was that. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that because then we found out that jam Assid
Speaker 1: Jay was actually a B boy. Oh that he actually danced, Yes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, jam Master Jay and everything was a B
Speaker 1: boy though, yeah, yeah he was. He was. He was
Speaker 1: for them too, you d y yeah, man during the
Speaker 1: Source Awards, which Source Awards, Oh, I'll tell you When
Speaker 1: run DMC was performing, I was in the nineties and
Speaker 1: I feel like rock Steady DJ's at the time mixed
Speaker 1: Mass to Mike Hubert and DJ Appollo. They were performing
Speaker 1: after Source Awards as rock Steady DJ's and they did
Speaker 1: their routine in rehearsal, did the Peter Piper routine in rehearsal. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they did that routine. No one said anything. So during
Speaker 1: the show they started doing that running running. The gonna
Speaker 1: perform after, so they're pissed off because nobody wants that
Speaker 1: music played before they performed. And they pulled the plug
Speaker 1: on them in the middle of in Madison Square Garden
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting like in the front row and i
Speaker 1: just feel the plug run DMC, run run run run,
Speaker 1: pull the plug on the DJ playing his music. Yes,
Speaker 1: yeah on the DJ. I'm saying, yeah, yeah, I feel that.
Speaker 1: So I ran up from I ran up into the
Speaker 1: stage and the back audience and me and him talking
Speaker 1: shit like it, and I'm like, yo, what the fuck
Speaker 1: you know, because okay, let me stop me for a second. Recently,
Speaker 1: I see Whiz Khalifa come on stage and do the
Speaker 1: same thing. He'd be ready to DJ like he went
Speaker 1: in and then I see every DJ in the world,
Speaker 1: Oh you mean yeah, yeah, that was why kind of
Speaker 1: like go against them the situation you're subscribed. No, no,
Speaker 1: this is different because they did a rehearsal, everybody knew
Speaker 1: what was gonna be played. But in the middle of
Speaker 1: the show, in front of a packed audience of seven
Speaker 1: thousand people as a paramount theater, they're gonna go pull
Speaker 1: the plug on them and humiliate them. They came from
Speaker 1: San Francisco this j yeah. Yeah, And so you know,
Speaker 1: me and run mostly got into it, and and you know,
Speaker 1: he was up in the stairway and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get at him and people holding me back because it's
Speaker 1: just like, yo, I'm not gonna let you bullying my
Speaker 1: dudes there, my crew, I don't give a funck who
Speaker 1: you are. And yeah, that was it. I'm still a
Speaker 1: fan though. Did you have an aff at the time
Speaker 1: at that time, yeah, Bruce Water, No, you envisioned his
Speaker 1: own like you know, I'm good man. I had to
Speaker 1: put this up like this all right before I'm all right,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is a pre question. But um,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask it because I see people trying that
Speaker 1: we created. Can fat laces ever come back? We started
Speaker 1: fat Laces that ninety nine cents store. Don't tell me
Speaker 1: don't tell me if we use its store ye from
Speaker 1: elastics that would be used for um uh do you say,
Speaker 1: what's the word? I'm looking for people who who seem
Speaker 1: stress and shit like that. So that's how we started.
Speaker 1: From our perspective. Even before that fat lass was about
Speaker 1: taking regular laces, wet them, take the tip of the iron,
Speaker 1: pressed down and then widened them out. And in the
Speaker 1: seventies and then yeah, yeah, who made the creases? I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, you gottat that's some Yeah, that's some
Speaker 1: older dude ship and I see that and paid in
Speaker 1: fall and he was asking for the creases. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: used my creases on the leaves riders. Well you should
Speaker 1: snatch Lee patches. Uh no, we would. There was this
Speaker 1: place called Martin Brothers on Fordham Road and then they
Speaker 1: had a patch that said ONYX and those are like
Speaker 1: the high end Lee riders. But that was the spot
Speaker 1: we got our leaves over there. I should snatched Lee
Speaker 1: passes patches and collect um the Mercedes bench Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but Cadillac I was so poor. I was pop the ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was like like, yo,
Speaker 1: little Poppy, we know you don't Lettauck Cadillac. Hey, I
Speaker 1: just want to be clear on one thing, Like, so,
Speaker 1: to me, when I talk about the negative shit in
Speaker 1: my life that I've done or I've been a part
Speaker 1: of an experience, it's not to brag about it or
Speaker 1: celebrate its history. It's just no, it's yeah, it's history.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, to be able
Speaker 1: to turn your life around and just walk away from
Speaker 1: shit before it hits that next level, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lane for that too, you know. And I guess
Speaker 1: trying to show people like yo, you know, yeah, we
Speaker 1: all come from a lot of us come from a
Speaker 1: fucked up situation. I can tell you ship that alow
Speaker 1: your mind. But but when um people hear those stories,
Speaker 1: but they don't hear like hey, but I'm doing this X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z right now. You know, we gotta give
Speaker 1: that contrast to give them some clarity, like, Yo, my dude,
Speaker 1: you don't have to stay stuck on stupid or or
Speaker 1: be susceptible to that peer pressure, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the power of hip hop, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you. Although you know, hip hop has a bad
Speaker 1: rap and there's a lot of fucked up shit, but
Speaker 1: I think that's the illest part about hip hop has
Speaker 1: turned a lot of people's lives around. Yeah, it's giving
Speaker 1: us lives. Yeah, it's giving us careers, it's given us pathways.
Speaker 1: Most power in the world right now, Yeah, not just
Speaker 1: but not just musically, like in this totality art. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's amazing artists selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like my boy that was just tagging and
Speaker 1: bombing and fighting in the streets over fucking tags. Now
Speaker 1: he's fucking selling his ship for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 1: You know, Like it's amazing to see that, you know,
Speaker 1: to see b boys and be girls that that that
Speaker 1: that there were just these hood kids in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: dancing traveling the world. You know, that's amazing to me.
Speaker 1: And you danced for Queen Elizabeth. Yeah, Elizabeth and Queen
Speaker 1: but she's on the land, Madonna, and you grind it
Speaker 1: on Madonna. You're grinding on Madonna. Yeah before she blew up,
Speaker 1: she never That picture out there was taken by Henry
Speaker 1: child Fund and it was at dance sing terriat No, honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now. So there's all right,
Speaker 1: So she used to come to the rocks He and
Speaker 1: hang out. But before that, again, we were at Dancing Teria,
Speaker 1: so I saw one of her person person her first
Speaker 1: performances there and before she became like Madonna, you know,
Speaker 1: before she had a single out. But um, when she
Speaker 1: used to hang out at the rocks He, you know
Speaker 1: a lot. She'd be hanging out with a lot of
Speaker 1: my boys who are Latino. And I'm sure Mayor has
Speaker 1: some stories because you know, you probably know some of
Speaker 1: the people who went to hang out of her. What
Speaker 1: was homie dude from all our records that made Jellybean
Speaker 1: jelly Bean believe her. That was later a little bit later, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, But the thing is is that I wasn't
Speaker 1: ever into white girls, but she wasn't. Let's let's be honest.
Speaker 1: She was. She was kind of in tune with hip
Speaker 1: hop early on. Absolutely yeah, for the eight from the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's because she met us in danceteria. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't into white girls, but a lot of my boys
Speaker 1: she used to go and hang out. Nah, fuck that shit.
Speaker 1: I was only dating black and Puerto Rican girls back then.
Speaker 1: I said, I said, dance for Queen Elizabeth. Oh, Queen Elizabeth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when I was there, when we went to perform
Speaker 1: for Queen Elizabeth, I'm over here looking at her like,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta shake her hand. And she had
Speaker 1: the jewels around her neck. She smelled like marijuana. Nah,
Speaker 1: she had these jewels around her neck. So I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be looking at her in her eyes like you know,
Speaker 1: your highness whatever, and I'm like, damn, I want to
Speaker 1: snatch that ship. Oh my god, he's gonna say that.
Speaker 1: I mean again, that's and that's that double life. Did
Speaker 1: you know what it meant to for the Queen? Did
Speaker 1: you know what it meant to you? Now? You didn't
Speaker 1: give it a fun? Wait? Wait wait, wait, this a
Speaker 1: two part question. Did you know what it meant? Or
Speaker 1: did you I didn't know what it meant. Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: that's real. You didn't know. I didn't know what it
Speaker 1: meant because we grow up. We don't know the president
Speaker 1: coming from the hoods. Yeah, you want to meet James Brown,
Speaker 1: But she was blah blah, you know, but you know
Speaker 1: who she was what she was. Yeah, I didn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. Okay, Yeah, it meant nothing to me. I
Speaker 1: didn't grow up that way. You know it got to
Speaker 1: pick the pick. Oh, this is the pick mcdonna. We
Speaker 1: got going back to Madonna. I might ask you again.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna carr Madonna back in the day they man,
Speaker 1: leave me the fun out of crazy legs. He was outside,
Speaker 1: Let me see he was he was outside. It was outside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right your yeah, but she was cool. She's cool.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fust she was not a virgin, absolutely
Speaker 1: not or the very first time I doubt that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then homegirl Debbie Maze how used to hang out
Speaker 1: with us. His brother dated Debbie Maze Hard and that
Speaker 1: was when she was called Debbie m Right. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had an amazing time. Man, let me take a
Speaker 1: shot for it was fun. Like one time we end up,
Speaker 1: we get, I noticed how he was not sticking away
Speaker 1: from the shots to stick again. Yeah, I take another drink. Look.
Speaker 1: So one time we get, we get invited to go
Speaker 1: to a recording studio because some recording artists as a
Speaker 1: fan of ours and they want to surprise him with
Speaker 1: a like in studio performance. And this is like nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty two and he's like one of the biggest artists
Speaker 1: out there. And uh, we go, then it's fucking David Bowie.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, YouTube? Huh no, no, David Bowie. Let's dance,
Speaker 1: David Bowie, not YouTube? What's it? Who's your YouTube? David?
Speaker 1: But it's bad Let's dance? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: So we were having like interesting times like that, meeting
Speaker 1: like really bugged out punk rock people. Me, Prince Nah,
Speaker 1: I mean Prince Michael Jackson I met when I worked
Speaker 1: on a bad video. Tell us about that. But you
Speaker 1: were on the on the set, Yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: in it was it? Who was in that set? Wasn't
Speaker 1: all Westley Wesley Night. So I auditioned with Martin Scorsese
Speaker 1: for the Wesleys for that part. Really Martin Scorsese didn't
Speaker 1: but that I don't know, it's not all relevant. I
Speaker 1: auditioned for him, and uh, I knew I didn't get
Speaker 1: the part immediately because he was just like, yo, you know,
Speaker 1: like when you live a little, I think you'd be
Speaker 1: a really good actor. And I'm like, he said, live
Speaker 1: a little, yeah, like meaning more wisdom, life explie. Yeah. So, um,
Speaker 1: Wesley got the part, and I ended up being an
Speaker 1: extra on the train scene in the long version of
Speaker 1: the video, But I got to hang out with him,
Speaker 1: take a picture of me and him and with Michael.
Speaker 1: You know who Martin Scorsese was. I found out years later,
Speaker 1: So I'm like auditioning, not giving a fuck, don't know
Speaker 1: who he is and in the job. Yeah, but in
Speaker 1: that picture you're looking at kadem Hardison is in there too. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: Kadeem Hardison is right there. So how was Michael? Did
Speaker 1: you probably blew up? You interact with Michael one? Huh? Miked?
Speaker 1: I felt like my was just going pulled out a bag.
Speaker 1: I mean he might tell me that that might. All
Speaker 1: I did was asking for a photo and an autograph
Speaker 1: where you start struck by Michael, to be honest, Yeah, absolutely, yes,
Speaker 1: he was Mike back then eighties. Yeah. I mean he's
Speaker 1: the biggest pop star in the world. Yeah, and our
Speaker 1: film sets there's a certain decorum. You can't really cross
Speaker 1: certain lines. And he's not just that one Michael. You
Speaker 1: got Michael from the Jackson five, who's already a celebrity,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's that's real, That's cool,
Speaker 1: damn it. Man. We come across some interesting people like
Speaker 1: Tina Turner, Gene Kelly, like you're dealt with Tina Turners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell him. So we were going to perform in Holland
Speaker 1: and hell huh Holland. Yeah that space Cakes, Space Cake.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, so maybe yes, that's Holland, that's Holland.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's not Hollanddale maybe too. Drking Dragon
Speaker 1: coming holiday. I look at him, Sorr. Yeah, No, she
Speaker 1: just wanted to meet us. We were all performing on
Speaker 1: the same show. And uh, it's kind of like this,
Speaker 1: the person wants to meet you, and and we're super young,
Speaker 1: so we still don't really know who the fuck she
Speaker 1: is anyway, back then, did we cares like the message?
Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy. We're looking at the back tfo.
Speaker 1: We don't give a shit about that, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: we met her. That happened with Gene Kelly, like another
Speaker 1: surprise visit. That's the kiss Gene Kelly. No, that's Gene Simmonds,
Speaker 1: all right exactly, Jean Kelly, legendary dancer, tap dancer shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we um, we lived some ghetto rock star shit. It
Speaker 1: was cool. So we didn't kick up back then at all.
Speaker 1: You know, we did in terms of what I don't know,
Speaker 1: I got up means something different. But who's somebody that
Speaker 1: that that that told you they was a fan that
Speaker 1: she was blown away from. Well, the queen was a fan.
Speaker 1: She was an actual fan to my queen Elizabeth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was a fan of She was actual fan. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: try to break down George. I mean, come on, he
Speaker 1: was a fan the comedian No man, Yeah he was
Speaker 1: because I saw so they used to have like fan
Speaker 1: mail back then, and and uh in the fan mail,
Speaker 1: it's like all these questions that the fans asking, then
Speaker 1: you fill out each one. So in his answer when
Speaker 1: he puts music that he bought or who he's into,
Speaker 1: he put rock Steady Crew. That's dope. Yeah, makes so
Speaker 1: who in hip hop were you a fan of that
Speaker 1: you met that you kind of were like fan boyed out.
Speaker 1: That's within your own world though, like Cat Grandmaster Haz
Speaker 1: is my hero, you know, Charlie Chase is also my boy. Uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I would say grand Master cast because he
Speaker 1: represented the battle in every way, so and I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm all about the battle. So how old are you
Speaker 1: when you first meet him? Fuck? I was a fan
Speaker 1: of his and watching from the outside the ropes in
Speaker 1: seventy seventy I probably saw him seventy seven, seventy eight.
Speaker 1: I don't remember when he got into Cold Crush, but
Speaker 1: whenever he got in, that's when I became a fan
Speaker 1: of his. And so it was home alone too that
Speaker 1: you I was an extra. It was an extra. It's
Speaker 1: funny too. And that's the same place that used to
Speaker 1: rob people. That's what That's what it is. I asked
Speaker 1: you that earlier. Yeah, I did a little bit. Yeah yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: So it's funny because we had a certain name and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into it because I get canceled immediately.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm talking about the area
Speaker 1: and uh such a part. We had a certain name
Speaker 1: for it. But uh yeah, and in eighty two, I
Speaker 1: think was the highest crime rate of Central Park. And
Speaker 1: let's just say I was associated with a lot of
Speaker 1: people involved with that and him being one of them. Damn,
Speaker 1: come out your court. And the crazy said is that,
Speaker 1: you know you at a certain point you had the
Speaker 1: Guardian Angels, like we had competations with them. They were
Speaker 1: confronting Hall. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't know how
Speaker 1: to take that because you know, at that age, you're
Speaker 1: thinking like Guardian ages with the yeah, yeah, they're braided. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were ever raised. Yeah, so you know you funked
Speaker 1: out all of them was on cocaine as well. Huh
Speaker 1: we found out the Guardian age, I wouldn't Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to be surprised. Man. It was just it was
Speaker 1: dudes like us who acted like they really knew karate
Speaker 1: and we believed the ship believed them too. By the way,
Speaker 1: right in the train, seeing the Guardian Angels being up
Speaker 1: nine to eleven felt safe. I felt safe. I can't
Speaker 1: out front on them. Were they necessary evil in that time? Probably?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say that evil. Man, I know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Who he was Italian? He was Italian? No sleewa,
Speaker 1: that he was what's his name? The guards Sleewa? You
Speaker 1: know he was like who the dude the main guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he was Italian sea. I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: a documentary. No matter what he was, he wasn't one
Speaker 1: of us, Okay, yeah, yeah, And that's when they had
Speaker 1: like Hector Camacho and all these other dudes doing like
Speaker 1: anti graffiti campaigns. Hector Camacho did an anti yes, am
Speaker 1: I right, who else anti graffiti campaign? But yeah, but
Speaker 1: you look at it, this way the outer world of
Speaker 1: our existence was paying our own people to campaign against us,
Speaker 1: right right the well, New York City, they had a
Speaker 1: big campaign against us. Wow, it's kind of like how
Speaker 1: Trump took it add out against these brothers from the
Speaker 1: same shit good that was. It's horrible. Yeah, So let's
Speaker 1: talk about uh, Jimmy D and Jimmy Lee, the founders
Speaker 1: of the rock Steady Crew. Yeah, then how did they? Um,
Speaker 1: how did you meet them to get down with rock Steady?
Speaker 1: I mean, so there was this place called mom and
Speaker 1: Pop's Disco on Katona Avenue in the Bronx. You love
Speaker 1: Katona Avenue. Man, you gotta you gotta buy coltona Aue.
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I started. Yeah, you gotta buy
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah. So you got an accident on there,
Speaker 1: that's where you first got You had an accident on
Speaker 1: Katona Avenue. And what do you mean, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: didn't you fall or something like that? Well, that's where
Speaker 1: you made the windmill, because that's why I made you
Speaker 1: didn't want to fall? Okay, I'm sorry? Yeah right, So, um,
Speaker 1: Jimmy D. I met them at this place ka mom
Speaker 1: and Pop's Disco, which was an underground nightclub this dude,
Speaker 1: a little angel Puerto Rican Cat used to be the
Speaker 1: DJ there and it was where a lot of the lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of the premiere be boys and be girls
Speaker 1: would be with, especially within a lot the community. So
Speaker 1: I went there like maybe seventy seven, seventy eight, and
Speaker 1: at this time, I'm sorry to cut you off, but
Speaker 1: be boy and is probably more important than MCM. And
Speaker 1: now everything was dope, everything was on the same, everything
Speaker 1: was okay, it was a fresh. Yeah, it was all dope,
Speaker 1: all fresh because you remember, like Kaz Mellie Mel, all
Speaker 1: of them used to be B boys, right, so they
Speaker 1: always had a relationship. And when you have people like um,
Speaker 1: Jimmy d and Jimmy Lee who are notorious at the
Speaker 1: same time, they were going to get that respect no
Speaker 1: matter what because they were a threat, you know. So
Speaker 1: but and these are two fucking dudes that never grew
Speaker 1: up to be tall, you know, and but they were
Speaker 1: they were s they were fearless. Yeah, they were fearless.
Speaker 1: And uh so when I everyone on watch out for
Speaker 1: a little guy everyone yeah. So um yeah, as soon
Speaker 1: as I met them, I was maybe like eleven years old,
Speaker 1: and the first thing they did was taking to go
Speaker 1: do snatch a purse And it didn't work out, but
Speaker 1: that was my introduction the purse snatch. Now it was
Speaker 1: fucking desolate and the bronx. There was no one there
Speaker 1: to rob, no purses around the hooks at Hunts Point,
Speaker 1: say tumbleweed and ship because then you help um uh
Speaker 1: cleaned up Hunts Point as well. Yes, I became part
Speaker 1: of a program. Well, I created a program within the
Speaker 1: Point Community Development Corporation because a lot of my boys
Speaker 1: had already dropped off, you know, so a lot of
Speaker 1: people have been murdered. And I was facing a situation
Speaker 1: of do I go in deeper and and go all
Speaker 1: the way and finish this out, or do I just
Speaker 1: walk away and just say fuck it, this ship is dumb.
Speaker 1: And I walked away, and I said, Okay, from this
Speaker 1: point on, I'm gonna get back to the community. I'm
Speaker 1: get use my talent to save the lives of the
Speaker 1: people who made the same bad decisions that led to
Speaker 1: all of my boys' deaths. So I volunteered for three
Speaker 1: years at the Point for three days a week, teaching
Speaker 1: dance and throwing events and you and bringing these kids
Speaker 1: to like wetlands and we take over the club, and
Speaker 1: I put the kids at the at the box office.
Speaker 1: I let them sell the merch, I let them host
Speaker 1: a show, I let them run the B Boy battle everything,
Speaker 1: and to give them some sort of dignity and pride
Speaker 1: and understanding of how to do business. And that was
Speaker 1: like the first gentification to hunts Point. Ye back then
Speaker 1: everyone knew hunts Point for one thing, and this is
Speaker 1: positive gentification. Yeah yeahs he took the hook us out,
Speaker 1: he started dancing. Yeah. Well, Disney, Well, Disney took the
Speaker 1: peep shows out, and he brought in dis nance and
Speaker 1: he took the hookers out, and he brought in B
Speaker 1: Boy and god damn it. Yeah, here's the whole huts point.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you right now, here's here's a
Speaker 1: crazy shit. You do shit like that and you're still
Speaker 1: like not in tune with your emotions in terms of
Speaker 1: like the damage that you've experienced in your life and
Speaker 1: how that affects you, you know, and how much of
Speaker 1: a ticking time bomb you are fucking tears later on
Speaker 1: when you're you're dealing with remorse. So when you have
Speaker 1: a brother call you twenty years later and knowing that
Speaker 1: he lived right around the street or a corner from
Speaker 1: a place where there's a line waiting for a crack
Speaker 1: housle open every day, just like New Jack City, exactly
Speaker 1: like that. So, Um, when they call you twenty years later,
Speaker 1: randomly at different times, like yo, you saved my life,
Speaker 1: like I'm doing this, this and this now these other
Speaker 1: people are dead, but you saved my life because I
Speaker 1: got down with you, and that should change. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not. And the crazy thing is that I
Speaker 1: was still pulling myself out of some dirt. So the
Speaker 1: struggle was again, still living two different lives while trying
Speaker 1: to go in the right direction and not fall into like,
Speaker 1: fuck that motherfucker. We should hurt him, you know, hurt people,
Speaker 1: hurt people, hurt people helping people. Yeah. So, and the
Speaker 1: thing is is that, you know, again, it goes back
Speaker 1: to um, not pulling myself away from people who will
Speaker 1: happily do damage. There's a person and I'm not again,
Speaker 1: I'm not bringing his name up. He used to run
Speaker 1: this area that we're in right now, and not raw again,
Speaker 1: I am not saying names, but when when that person,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in this area when Zulu and
Speaker 1: all these guys were Yeah, so so when that person
Speaker 1: heard that somebody was getting sideways with me, that person
Speaker 1: was approached and I can't. I can't have that happening.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, yo, might duty like you're gonna
Speaker 1: get me some conspiracy charge here? What are you fucking doing? Right? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good to have the ride of dies, but sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta walk away from that ship because it'll it'll
Speaker 1: kill you. Right, So let me ask you if I
Speaker 1: don't ask you this question about to ask you, you
Speaker 1: know about thirty years maybe forty years ago, probably understand
Speaker 1: exactly what you're gonna say, right, but I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you to it right now. If you woke up today,
Speaker 1: right and you had all the hip hop history erased
Speaker 1: and we're just based in Europe from what you heard
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty three on how much of the original
Speaker 1: DNA of hip hop still exists right now me and
Speaker 1: depends on which that action you look at it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is the truth. Yeah, Okay, so you just pick
Speaker 1: wishes direction and you want to go. Hip hop is divided. Uh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of the industry that thinks it's hip hop, but doing
Speaker 1: an element of hip hop could care less about the
Speaker 1: rest and then you have a lot of self righteous
Speaker 1: hip hop heads and we it would be nice if
Speaker 1: we met in the middle somewhere. Okay, self righteous hip
Speaker 1: hop answer? Who? Meaning that anything that this group over
Speaker 1: here does that's into the industry is horrible because the
Speaker 1: com it's commercial. Like I listened to modern shit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not trying to look at
Speaker 1: some new ship as it's not hip hop because it's
Speaker 1: not from my time? Are you with a little busy?
Speaker 1: I fuck with all that he breaks it to. He's
Speaker 1: a b one too. It's like crazy, like I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be in one of his videos and you
Speaker 1: a little together? Yeah one day, one day. He's a
Speaker 1: good brother. But go ahead. But um, I think it's there.
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's divided in a big way, right,
Speaker 1: and I think that that is bad for our community
Speaker 1: because that's why you have this whole other thing of
Speaker 1: uh Latino where the Latinos there are not And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you divided the elements, you divided the community. And
Speaker 1: what's happened is that hip hop is a commodity that
Speaker 1: is only traded in rap music and then the art,
Speaker 1: the b boys, the DJs, they take it seriously. In
Speaker 1: terms of turntableism, they've all been splintered. We can't point
Speaker 1: where they don't even hip hop. I can't be mass
Speaker 1: produced like a record, so I can't make as much
Speaker 1: right right, So there's a big difference. I don't get
Speaker 1: royalties off of something unless it's a film that I've
Speaker 1: been in. You get royalties every time your record is played,
Speaker 1: So there's a big difference. And think about and think
Speaker 1: about let's let's think about the if you want to
Speaker 1: put it in a conspiracy, who benefits off of the
Speaker 1: splinter the The industry that that monetizes the music cannot
Speaker 1: monetize these other elements. So they said, okay, boom, we
Speaker 1: shed that this is hip hop. But you know what's crazy,
Speaker 1: I brung it up earlier. How much Europe to me
Speaker 1: respects hip hop more If you actually think about it.
Speaker 1: In Europe, the B boy and the DJ is on
Speaker 1: the same level as the MC. Yeah they are, but
Speaker 1: it's on the same level, and that's how to me. No,
Speaker 1: but it's changing, it's changing. It's they're they're changing with
Speaker 1: us too as well. So you meaning that the MC
Speaker 1: is becoming No, no, they're they're becoming more Americanized in
Speaker 1: their view of hip hop. Well, I haven't seen you.
Speaker 1: I haven't been. It's gone with damn, I know, trying
Speaker 1: to get a bag because I don't think it's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with getting the bag. I no, but we still
Speaker 1: have the integrity list and that's the problem thing. So
Speaker 1: I've been doing these documentaries where I've traveled to different
Speaker 1: countries trying to find hip hop, well, exploring the country
Speaker 1: through hip hop, through the scope of hip hop, and
Speaker 1: every single country, the same thing has been told to me.
Speaker 1: You guys don't do hip hop anymore. You do business.
Speaker 1: You are not you. We don't, We do not look
Speaker 1: to you anymore. Now, these places that used to look
Speaker 1: to themselves as the innovators, as the pioneers, they look
Speaker 1: to themselves and there and their neighbors. Like I went
Speaker 1: to Vietnam, Vietnam looks to Korean Japan and to themselves.
Speaker 1: I went to Colombia. Columbia by itself. Is it's like
Speaker 1: hip hop hip hop? Diego was there too. I think
Speaker 1: the message in hip hop no longer exists from our
Speaker 1: perspective over here, right fuck, you know, like where's the messaging?
Speaker 1: But we still got to what what sucks is that
Speaker 1: hip hop is the number one cultural export of the
Speaker 1: United States to the world, and the United States and
Speaker 1: ourselves do not identify that and make sense of it
Speaker 1: to and make make it a thing that we could
Speaker 1: either monetize or politicize or make it a political thing.
Speaker 1: We just don't use. And the fact that breaking comes
Speaker 1: from the fucking backyard of the United States and not
Speaker 1: one of them has been sponsored who are going to
Speaker 1: the Olympics by anything in the United States shows how
Speaker 1: much regard they have for us. All Right, yeah, we're assholes.
Speaker 1: Well we're fucking shit up. Well, you know what, Um,
Speaker 1: We've been talking about this hip hop union for a
Speaker 1: long time, right, me and E F n Um. When
Speaker 1: we saw this show, it was like, Yo, I forget
Speaker 1: who was sick in hip hop? And it was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, the bills wasn't paid or something like that,
Speaker 1: and we were like, yo, hip hop needs a union.
Speaker 1: There's no way you can put in twenty thirty years
Speaker 1: of work, in your case, forty five years of work
Speaker 1: and then you get sick and it should be on
Speaker 1: your family, Like it was only your family to miss,
Speaker 1: you know, Christmas When you was performing in France, there
Speaker 1: was only your family to miss Thanksgiving when you're performing
Speaker 1: in Russia, Like why should your family beer? Why? What
Speaker 1: shouldn't we have a union. It would be nice, but
Speaker 1: until that, no one trusts, no one. I just have
Speaker 1: to operate as you know, I operate as if no
Speaker 1: one owes me anything, and I got to handle my shit.
Speaker 1: I'm responsible for my own relevance and my own finances
Speaker 1: and and how I take care of my own medical
Speaker 1: and if there's something comes where there's a fund for
Speaker 1: people like myself who are pioneers, like if I'm well
Speaker 1: off at the moment, I probably wouldn't accept it because
Speaker 1: there's probably yeah, but no, No. The thing about it is,
Speaker 1: especially you know, um with how we're kind of owning
Speaker 1: our own stuff now like we're actually in the era,
Speaker 1: and especially with a podcast, you know, yeah, I would love,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, to stop talking about it. And
Speaker 1: I would love to like, you know, Joe Budden, well,
Speaker 1: Chuck D. You know, Chuck D. He's created something I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, let's dare do it. Joe Buden, mallon
Speaker 1: dollars worth of a game, Gillian Willow, you know, Nori
Speaker 1: and efn uh I think we should put up a
Speaker 1: couple of dollars and just put it in a pot
Speaker 1: with it's it's see through, put it in Killer Mike's bank.
Speaker 1: I trust Killer Mike, and I trust this bank, and
Speaker 1: just lead that ship there until. Not to say that
Speaker 1: we want something catastrophic to happen, but if something happens,
Speaker 1: if if, if a little something if. But that's not
Speaker 1: the way it works, man, No, we gotta make it up. No,
Speaker 1: it's not the way it works, Chuck D. I think
Speaker 1: it's kariss ones involved. They got the government involved. You
Speaker 1: need bigger funds to really make a difference. You can't.
Speaker 1: We can't take a couple of podcasts and put a
Speaker 1: couple of dollars in Well, we fucking need the dollars ourselves.
Speaker 1: But we can still empower each other. That's it. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's like empowering some some people who
Speaker 1: are representing the United States on the highest level ever.
Speaker 1: Get them six hundred gs or if you could raise
Speaker 1: funds that's what they have. But here's the thing, right,
Speaker 1: a lot of us don't know, don't understand how do
Speaker 1: we do that? Right? Okay? Cool, you said, Chuck D.
Speaker 1: Has an idea. So they did it. They did okay,
Speaker 1: alright investing, and I feel like we should do something right,
Speaker 1: and this is something that I just learned. Right. I
Speaker 1: went to Opus one right, and Opus one I thought
Speaker 1: I knew, which is a great wine. It's a great wine. Right.
Speaker 1: So I went to the factory right, and I really
Speaker 1: thought I knew everything about wine. Right, And he gave
Speaker 1: me the two thousand and eighteen. He gave me the
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, gave me the two thou and
Speaker 1: then no, I did not, but you're you're correct. I
Speaker 1: heard the ninety six. It is fantastic. He didn't have right,
Speaker 1: but I went through it all and I loved him all.
Speaker 1: And then he brung me what was later considered the throwaway.
Speaker 1: All drink it and we all said this is our favorite, right,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know why, it's because that's exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. It's what you want it to be.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we can sit around and just sit around and say,
Speaker 1: let's wait for it to be perfect, and let's wait
Speaker 1: for al Shopton to come over there and do some
Speaker 1: jump ropes with us, and then you know, do it.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's just like, let's just do the
Speaker 1: right thing do. The right thing is let's just just
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, and if anything happens, because that's really take
Speaker 1: it as far as you can take. That's really what
Speaker 1: insurance is. It's just in case shit happened, right, So
Speaker 1: just so let's just throw whatever whatever. Maybe we're not
Speaker 1: gonna do it the right way. Maybe we're not, But
Speaker 1: the fact is I will feel fucking awesome knowing that
Speaker 1: a hip hop legend caught a stroke, and for us
Speaker 1: as podcasters, we stepped up and said his family bills
Speaker 1: taking care of that ship. I wouldn't yesterday. I couldn't
Speaker 1: sleep at night. That wouldn't make me sleep at night
Speaker 1: like that. But let me let me tell you this.
Speaker 1: This is you helping yourself. Let me rebuttal you this. However,
Speaker 1: me help myself. I don't plan. Let me let me
Speaker 1: let me give you a rebuttal Okay. If Chuck D,
Speaker 1: who I trust, has always had the best interest of
Speaker 1: hip hop in his heart, if he's leading, he ain't
Speaker 1: come to drink jams. No, but Chuck D ain't reach
Speaker 1: out back. You know something wrong. He should have been here.
Speaker 1: Chuck ddun did wipe me crazy since we reached out,
Speaker 1: he said, he does not do interviews, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he's been doing every other and okay, that's
Speaker 1: your so let me let me feed us. Okay. So
Speaker 1: if he's doing something him and there's a coalition of
Speaker 1: people involved and they they're doing it the right way,
Speaker 1: my thing is, let's contribute to what they're doing. Because
Speaker 1: if why they contribute. He's been saying this for seven years,
Speaker 1: hold up the splintering of it everything. People to do this,
Speaker 1: and graph writers do this. Okay, you know what you
Speaker 1: do that, Chuck D. Podcasters do this. Fuck it. We're
Speaker 1: all gonna do it different because it's gonna make me
Speaker 1: feel better. No, bro, contribute to the movement that it's
Speaker 1: gonna do it right the organizations. Because we've been speaking
Speaker 1: this for seven years, and I've been watching and I've
Speaker 1: been watching the fans for seven years. Tag this man
Speaker 1: on Twitter, follow him on Twitter, Chuck D and every
Speaker 1: one of these other people, And guess what, none of
Speaker 1: them have ever hit me on DM. None of them
Speaker 1: have ever pursued that. So I'm tired of waiting for
Speaker 1: our forefathers, our near fathers, with their both fathers. Why
Speaker 1: did they reach out? You mean to tell me you
Speaker 1: mean to tell me, hold on, let's be clear out
Speaker 1: to us to do it. Let's be clear. No, no,
Speaker 1: why did they reach out for us to be a
Speaker 1: part of it? You mean to tell me every time
Speaker 1: they say something or every time something like that with
Speaker 1: a hip hop union is it's brung up. I love
Speaker 1: our fans on Twitter because you know what they say,
Speaker 1: don't You've never been saying this for seven new years,
Speaker 1: for seven years, for seven years, and I'm not willing
Speaker 1: to talk about it no more. I'm willing to put
Speaker 1: the same way I'm willing to invest into Drunken Dragon
Speaker 1: a Hollander, which I'm doing the same way. I'm willing
Speaker 1: to invest in fox Hole, which I'm doing the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to put up a couple of such and such,
Speaker 1: just a hav An account just in case if Maxwell
Speaker 1: fall and break his ankle. Let's help about maybe something. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sucking around. Here's the thing, here's the thing himself.
Speaker 1: For me as a dancer, there are times when I've
Speaker 1: had insurance and I didn't have insurance right, so whatever
Speaker 1: I had in the bank went towards my surgery. Right.
Speaker 1: So with an hour name. As dancers, we get fucked
Speaker 1: up the most, Yes, and we're all taking care of ourselves.
Speaker 1: Like I've come out of pocket so much money for
Speaker 1: the ship that I do just for the love of
Speaker 1: hip hop. Right, So there's a lot of people out
Speaker 1: there who are representing and I think that's probably like
Speaker 1: the most injuries you know for dance, you know in
Speaker 1: hip hop, but funerals, God bless us, the hip hop
Speaker 1: funerals that you go start to see and you'd be like, damn,
Speaker 1: the shit is not taken care of. That shit is
Speaker 1: like like, that's I mean, and I don't I had
Speaker 1: a rebuttal with you. I don't want you to say
Speaker 1: that I'm disagreement and I'm disagreeing d what he's doing.
Speaker 1: The problem is we're so available, we're so out there,
Speaker 1: and our platform actually exists. Our platform actually exists where
Speaker 1: weekly guess what. Your platform is a force and you
Speaker 1: guess what. Guess what, Chuck and whoever who else is
Speaker 1: doing it. Maybe and Chick is a fan of the platform.
Speaker 1: Maybe he said he's willing to maybe care us, but
Speaker 1: maybe y'all, Maybe y'all didn't want to come here, but
Speaker 1: at least let's promote y'all platform on this platform because
Speaker 1: this is what it's made for. It's made for us,
Speaker 1: because I guess, I guess what. Go ahead and try
Speaker 1: to go to Hot ninety seven. Now they got ninety
Speaker 1: four seven. It beat let's pick up? Uh, Psyche sounds
Speaker 1: like the founds, Miss Jones. I think mister c is
Speaker 1: over there and there. Actually this is another station besides
Speaker 1: Rock the Bells. And I love Rock the Bells, but
Speaker 1: Rock the Bells cannot say that they did not base
Speaker 1: what we were doing awful and we were giving all
Speaker 1: legends their flowers. I think we're still are giving. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm actually an equity owner of Rock the Bells. No,
Speaker 1: they did it, reached out to several of us, and
Speaker 1: they did give us equity in the company. Beautiful. Uh
Speaker 1: so I gotta salute the beautiful doing great things. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got nothing. I would never have anything bad to
Speaker 1: say about. Okay, care, rest One and Cares have launched
Speaker 1: the union. All right, cool, I'm mad. Why are you mad?
Speaker 1: Because they should hill at y'all because no, no, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I understand, but you can't get playing. But I'm not playing.
Speaker 1: The thing about it is, we can't be outdated like
Speaker 1: we can't be sitting around and do something that was
Speaker 1: brought up publicly on this show for seven strong years.
Speaker 1: But we live in an era where nobody even sees everything. Yes,
Speaker 1: but there's someone in his camp, just like George Clinton
Speaker 1: just came here, just Clinton, ain't I could tell he
Speaker 1: never saw an episode of Drink Champs his fucking lights,
Speaker 1: and I loved him anyway. But his grandchildren said, this
Speaker 1: is the place where you posted be true. So you
Speaker 1: mean to tell me that once they set up that campaign,
Speaker 1: they ain't No, it wasn't no one who said Drink
Speaker 1: Chace were saying this ship for seven years. They've been trying,
Speaker 1: They've been waiting. But but but maybe they've been saying
Speaker 1: it for seventeen years. Wen't hear it. I ain't hearing that.
Speaker 1: It's every one of the albums. I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: got everyone albums. We don't got everyone of them. I
Speaker 1: ain't hear we don't know, we don't know. You gotta
Speaker 1: give the benefit. I don't know why he said the
Speaker 1: black but I want me but simple support that. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I don't support it. I'm saying I have
Speaker 1: no control over that. I have nothing, I have no
Speaker 1: information of that. Cool. You know our engineer just sent
Speaker 1: that to us. Um, this should be front page news.
Speaker 1: It's it's probably the problem is it's not from page news.
Speaker 1: Guess what ours? But guess what it's the media. Guess what, sir,
Speaker 1: case I don't know that every time we drop we're
Speaker 1: fromt page news. Yes, we're from page well cardist. If
Speaker 1: we want it, and sometimes we don't even want it,
Speaker 1: we're doing it. Definitely. It's a lot of times like
Speaker 1: that you say it can do and I'm standing y'all
Speaker 1: it there's a lot of times we don't want front
Speaker 1: spay news. But this is something and that's what we
Speaker 1: care about the community. We care about hit But this, this,
Speaker 1: this is, this is what we have to do. It
Speaker 1: can't like like you said, it can't be a care
Speaker 1: arrest one Chuck d thing, uh and a crazy leg
Speaker 1: stay rock steady thing and then a drink Champs thing.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool, maybe it's not a drink Champ thing.
Speaker 1: We all need to we say podcasting, we'll handle it
Speaker 1: all part because we couldn't handle it because absolutely, if
Speaker 1: we could have, we would have did it seven years ago.
Speaker 1: So let's just do to the people we know that
Speaker 1: uh uh, Joe Button is happy from it's from doing
Speaker 1: what he's doing. We know that a million dollars worth
Speaker 1: a game. These are people that we can come and
Speaker 1: talk to and say, listen, let's just maybe it's a
Speaker 1: podcast fund. Maybe Chuck d in them is the Jerry
Speaker 1: Lewis telling it's the rap and then and then. But
Speaker 1: the thing is sitting around and doing nothing and sitting around,
Speaker 1: just sitting around and sitting around and sitting around. It
Speaker 1: makes us seem like we're just talking. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk to the people doing sometimes I don't
Speaker 1: want to see if we can fit in. If we can't,
Speaker 1: then we don't. At the end of the day, we
Speaker 1: don't feel starts out the needs. You raise the funds
Speaker 1: and you put that into and I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Said you said raise the funds. That's also that's also
Speaker 1: what we're doing. And not only that. We want to
Speaker 1: give back said it should be something like that, But
Speaker 1: we give back so much beautiful things that we obtain.
Speaker 1: And it's not the yst about financials and riches. It's
Speaker 1: about okay, man, yeah, look at that ship. Look at
Speaker 1: the look that's George Clinton artwork. He did that right.
Speaker 1: He came George. That's all. I got a George Clinton story.
Speaker 1: But I can't say this. What's the other artist's name?
Speaker 1: I want to give him Jonas? Yeah, with George Clinton,
Speaker 1: they both did. Let's give us that George Clinton story.
Speaker 1: Let's go. It's acid involved that I'm thinking about. It
Speaker 1: was he opened about shit like that. Yeah, that's open.
Speaker 1: So it was like a zoo anniversary and I'm over here, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, you know, nothing but the dog
Speaker 1: and me is in the back, you know what I'm like.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, like I'm taking him
Speaker 1: to uh, I had to drop off at his hotel
Speaker 1: as a favor, and he just started like you up
Speaker 1: a little packet in the bag. And I hear, Yo,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker's wild in my car right now. Ain't nothing
Speaker 1: but the dog. Yeah, yeah, you were like, I could
Speaker 1: have sold it to him, all stuck him up. I
Speaker 1: never sold that though, balls. No, I bought something to
Speaker 1: oh yeah to my memory is good? You that like hustle.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a dealer, my boy. Oh my god, yo, man,
Speaker 1: razy legs man, let me just tell you something. Your
Speaker 1: legend of a leg abolutely um we we we We
Speaker 1: clearly made this show for people like you, Um, hip
Speaker 1: hop fifty. I know you kind of said you didn't
Speaker 1: agree with hip hop being fifty. You said forty seven,
Speaker 1: but I'll stand with it. You're standing with it, will
Speaker 1: stand with it, stand with it. And in your opinion,
Speaker 1: you said forty seven, forty eight, forty eight, forty which
Speaker 1: is two years off and that's you know, we're pretty
Speaker 1: much all Druggs. Yeah, so it's like, goody two years.
Speaker 1: You might have crap because the aid you never know,
Speaker 1: but that was because two year years for the ecstasy.
Speaker 1: It's like it's gone. But we want you to know
Speaker 1: your legend hip hop owes you uh, and not just
Speaker 1: be boying you know, because um, you know it's crazy,
Speaker 1: like you look at these records. Now, these records have
Speaker 1: a dance to go with the record. Yeah, yes, dance
Speaker 1: is still there. But for me, I've always felt like
Speaker 1: I'm hip hoppy for I'm a B boy because when
Speaker 1: I got into the game, I saw I witness everything
Speaker 1: happening without any kind of label over it. It was
Speaker 1: just what was happening, like a girl doing double ditch.
Speaker 1: You lived it, you know, it was you were it yeah.
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm always hip, hoppy form a B
Speaker 1: B boy, But we want to show you love. There's
Speaker 1: anything you regret before you got out there? Um not
Speaker 1: finishing school old shit, definitely da I was on that path.
Speaker 1: I ended up in Hunter College, and I used to
Speaker 1: know the Hunter College is on sixties seventh Street. And
Speaker 1: you never went to the Bronx Yeah, no, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about college. No, well, I did go to Bronx Community
Speaker 1: for a minute. Then I switched to Hunter College and
Speaker 1: then um me and this dude, um am I forget
Speaker 1: his name, God not to rock the other one that
Speaker 1: hates him, Ben Diesel. We used to go to Hunter
Speaker 1: College together. We used to hang out. Yeah, we used
Speaker 1: to you have been dies went to school together. Yeah college.
Speaker 1: Did you almost forget you went to fucking college with Diesel?
Speaker 1: Did you almost forget that? Yeah? Your life is dope.
Speaker 1: Make some noise for that. But he used to be
Speaker 1: a B boy. He was a B boy first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he told be boy first what he needed to come
Speaker 1: to dreams? What has he been or these at the
Speaker 1: time he was Ben. Yeah, he was just oh, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: let's lead. So we used to hang out in in
Speaker 1: a cafeteria Hunter College and try to pick up on
Speaker 1: a girl's playing space from New York. Yeah, oh I
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but yeah, I mean, you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: all this stuff in detail. We all working on a
Speaker 1: couple of films right now, me and Fat Joe and
Speaker 1: E Frivera working on a Latino contribution in hip hop documentary. Um,
Speaker 1: you know more more you guys can get dream Champs
Speaker 1: involved in. Yeah, of course. I mean we want to
Speaker 1: definitely do it as something that's educational. We don't want
Speaker 1: to cause more divide, just provide data. Yeah, we want
Speaker 1: to provide data for people and say yo boom. If
Speaker 1: you're not sure this is where and when and now,
Speaker 1: if you want to be an asshole, that's up to you,
Speaker 1: you know. And so there's that, and then we're doing
Speaker 1: the rock Steady documentary right now, which is all going
Speaker 1: to be from my perspective, and then there's a few
Speaker 1: other things on the table. We'll see what happens as
Speaker 1: synonymous with Zulu is it no one, No, not at all.
Speaker 1: We're all own thing, okay, yeah yeah, so yeah, so
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good shit, you know. For me,
Speaker 1: it's about my festival in Puerto Rico working on these
Speaker 1: films and then um a lot of relief work, but
Speaker 1: expanding beyond Puerto Rico because with all the shit that
Speaker 1: that just happened in Turkey, I felt like, wow, I
Speaker 1: know how to bring people, you know, the opportunity to
Speaker 1: have clean water. I know what that takes. But you know,
Speaker 1: then you need to start needing more financial resources to
Speaker 1: make that happen. You've seen the dude and I've mentioned
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry I don't know the guy's name right now,
Speaker 1: and I mentioned him before. He has the machine that
Speaker 1: extracts air yeah into clear water from the United States.
Speaker 1: Like that, dude is incredible. We did I mean we man,
Speaker 1: we did ship and he's donating his machines to Tesla
Speaker 1: Costa was donating a bunch of shit too, Eli, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he donated you know. Yeah, so they during Hurricane Maria days,
Speaker 1: there's just one community that we went to where their
Speaker 1: their source of water was like two three hundred feet
Speaker 1: down and there was this really old nineteen seventy three
Speaker 1: a diesel generator that the US government dropped off during
Speaker 1: the hurricane like here, figure it out. And Tesla donated
Speaker 1: these batteries that would generate the water three hundred feet
Speaker 1: up to a community of eight hundred families. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: wow we helped. Yeah, well, Eli doing his thing or
Speaker 1: is all right? Yeah, all right with the y'aller he
Speaker 1: let me go crazy on Twitter, wild boy, I'm just
Speaker 1: playing man, yo, crazy legs. Man, I'm gonna be honest. Man,
Speaker 1: you rock steady. You know, all the things that you
Speaker 1: contributed to hip hop will be remorse to not you know,
Speaker 1: always throw flowers that you can, always you know, respect
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I'd like, you know, I enjoy this
Speaker 1: when I when I get the pioneers, when I get
Speaker 1: the legends, when I get the icons, and I just
Speaker 1: explore their history. Like I said, for a month, I've
Speaker 1: just been walking around like you, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's why my big boy, you see, my big boy
Speaker 1: he fell because we were thinking about you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like man, be boying me learning be boying
Speaker 1: and break dancing. It's two different things. Be learning that
Speaker 1: break dancing is actually frowned upon word. And yes it's
Speaker 1: frowned upon. But now you know, but it's crazy me
Speaker 1: even learning that. But breaking it is not right? Are
Speaker 1: you saying breakdance? It's kind of like when you say
Speaker 1: south Side, you just say south Side. You don't say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go saus dancing. So um man, we just
Speaker 1: want to tell you man, our show was based on,
Speaker 1: you know, giving legends. And you know, people that's been
Speaker 1: in this game for more than ten years, they flowers
Speaker 1: because you know, they's just face it. Hip hop is
Speaker 1: the only age is M music yea, there is yeah
Speaker 1: Pink Floyd and you know all these other people can
Speaker 1: go you know as why I said Gene Simmons earlier
Speaker 1: to do with the tongue, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like people don't even know he's old because he hadn't
Speaker 1: make up his old face, so goddamn time and he
Speaker 1: can go and go all and he can do this
Speaker 1: and no one says he's washed up. But they don't
Speaker 1: have elements either. And that's the difference between hip hop
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, well we gotta they're just music and drugs.
Speaker 1: We got everything. We gotta. We gotta figure the fuck
Speaker 1: out because the last time I checked, you know, if
Speaker 1: you take a good meal and you season it correctly
Speaker 1: and you put it in there the fridge, you get
Speaker 1: it out three days later and you take that out
Speaker 1: well marinated. Good. But you know what you're thinking about that?
Speaker 1: You know what that's called seasoned. Yeah, that's what the
Speaker 1: technically hip hop if it's if hip hop is about
Speaker 1: fifty years old, it's just realizing its own wisdom. It's
Speaker 1: the double seeking in I think. I think if it
Speaker 1: were a human being at fifty, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of us are coming to terms our own remorse, regrets,
Speaker 1: all kinds of ship. And at fifty years old, you're
Speaker 1: still busting nuts. Holla. The individual can come up with
Speaker 1: those things. But when you've been hijacked by corporations, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a whole other mixed beans. Enough of us are
Speaker 1: still alive to make shit right, you know, or at
Speaker 1: least planted seeds. We may not see it, or at
Speaker 1: least I mean, we can't do it for the sake
Speaker 1: of seeing it in our lifetime, because that's unrealistic, you know.
Speaker 1: So we have to just plant the seeds and hopefully
Speaker 1: that ship works into something for somebody else later on.
Speaker 1: I think it will. I'm good with that. I think
Speaker 1: we're doing it. Ain't about me, ain't about us. I
Speaker 1: like the back of it works, yo, man, Thank so,
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate that there. Thank you for I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna stop drinking. I'm gonna keep going and do some
Speaker 1: drops and then be good. I'll be over the holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah go to the back. Yeah yeah, yeah, go ahead.
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