WEBVTT - Episode 354 w/ Crazy Legs 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:20.480 And his Drink Chess Motherfucker podcast. D's a legendary Queen's rapper, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:22.880 Ain't Segreed? Is your boy in O R He's a 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.120 Miami hippop Lione Cup is dj e FN. Together they 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.920 drink it up with some of the biggest players in 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.480 the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:38.159 for drunk back drink chess motherfuckers. New year' z that 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:48.560 it's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfuck motherfuck? Would 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.360 it good? Be hopey s me? This is your boy 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.720 and O R eight? What up? Is dj e FN? 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.360 This Middle Tammy, Crazy War Happy Hour, Drink Champions Chapter Hour, 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:05.160 Make Some Now. When ME and e FN started the show, 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.200 we looked at each other and we said, there's so 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:15.399 many other platforms for new artists and for new outlets 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.560 and things like that. We wanted dedicata to super legends, 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:27.200 we wanted dedicated to icons, We wanted to dedicated to superheroes, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.360 people who have been doing this. When I was researching 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.360 this brother that we were about to introduce, they said 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:38.000 that he started doing his thing in seventy seven. I said, 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:42.800 holy hit. I said, yeah, I was born. This motherfucker 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:47.720 has been literally doing it my whole life. Literally, He's 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.080 a person that if you're Puerto Rican and you know 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.320 how to dance, or if you just a hip hop 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.800 if you are a hip hop period and you have 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.640 a hip hop dance, I don't care what it is. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.920 It could be the stinky lag. It comes from him. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.720 He was the first person that made people and I 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:10.840 imagine the thing, and then I found out he invented 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:15.240 the windmill. It's like talking to Michael Jackson right now. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:26.359 We are happy, a static, vigorous, enthusiastic to have a 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.560 legend of a legend, an icon of an icon, a 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.000 person that we all should throw flowers at his feet 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.720 when he walked down the street, literally because his feet 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.160 is crazy and his legs is too. So in case 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:42.520 you don't know who the hell are you talking about, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:50.799 he told about the one the only motherfucker crazy. May 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:55.600 you represent me at my funeral? So you know what 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.480 was one of the craziest things is no pun intend 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.480 uh me seeing you on Letterman right like, um, I'm 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.440 going back because I had no idea Letterman would even 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.840 like do something like that, because how was it, for 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.840 for lack of a better term, I didn't see be 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.040 Boying at that time as being a commercial, like you 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.639 know what I'm saying. I thought it was like some real, 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.240 you know, underground. So when seeing on Letterman or seeing 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.359 that that, I thing like that, was that like a 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:33.639 beginning of of be Boying crossing Oval or No? Yeah, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.240 we were there because of Flashdance, So yeah, that was like, yeah, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.360 what year? That's that was wild? That came out an 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.440 eighty three Flashdance. So when we did Late David Letterman Show, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.320 I mean that was kind of wild. And I'm gonna 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.640 sucking go all out today because I don't give anyone. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:51.120 Let's go, let's go. We wrote, we get set up 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.320 to do the show, and the dude that I was 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.440 with doing the show was coming off of being high 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:01.680 tonight before. We're like, oh shit, how are we gonna 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.840 do these routines? Was it ascid? Was it ascid? Back then? 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.320 What y'all was on my right? Now? Everybody did assid? Why? 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.520 I don't, Yeah, but a lot of people don't see 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.080 the boys as as stick up kids too. You know. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.440 We were living double line for sure. So yeah, so 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.640 it was wild. So doing that not knowing how that 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.720 was gonna turn out, and and then, but the whack 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.200 Ship was a while ago. After I see David let 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.560 him in the restaurant and I'm thinking, like, all right, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.840 well he's probably cool. I tell away that, Hey, you know, 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.120 I like to go say hi to him. Can you 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.520 let him know? He's like, no, because of that experience 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:46.880 with you guys, huh No, it's just he's a dick whatever, 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.720 that's him, right, So nothing happened on the show like no, no, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.560 And I was gonna heard you say I heard you. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.000 This is just like the third time I heard you say, Um, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.840 you didn't really like him when you was there? No, 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:00.200 I didn't like him. Wow. Yeah. It was that that 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.480 dry humor that I didn't get coming from where I 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.640 come from, because I'm like, yo, this motherfucking stupid, you know. 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.240 And that's you know at that time, even though like 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.160 you know, with dancing, and we were still we were 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.719 running wild like the Central Park, rounding people and got 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.080 the cent you going to fast? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.360 So what you guys were there was you were what 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.400 did you do for the movie? Coup? Moving out? So 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.520 we dancing flash dance at the beginning and then at 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.520 the end, I actually doubled for her they actually they 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.560 wanted me to um teach the girls how to spin 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.880 on that back in twenty four hours, and I'm like 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.720 that's not possible. So they ended up having me uh 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.159 coming the next day like hey, you know, the director 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.760 Adrian Line's like, hey, you know, would you mind dressing 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.520 up as a woman or whatever Leah turning on its 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.480 all the stuff you keep your much stash or something. No. Well, 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.400 first of all, I'm like this, I'm talking to dude 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.240 like this. I'm like, y'all, you know that's money. That's 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.480 the money signed. Like, I'm not even really talking to 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.400 the dude. I just like fuck and ignorant bronx dude 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.239 seventeen years old. And I'm like this in the dude's 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.920 face and he's like all right, cool cool, And we 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.400 wanted to shave, and I'm like, oh shit, man, I 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:15.200 just keep doing that. Um And I just did it. Man. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.080 I was just like fuck it, all right, did it? 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.880 And I also also, like recently doing the studies, I 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.640 didn't know that breakdancing was frowned upon. The word breakdown. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.840 Yeah that's what it is. Breakdown. Yeah it doesn't. So 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.480 the word breakdancing doesn't come from hip hop It came 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:36.200 from my former manager, Lady Blues, and she misspoken in 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.840 a meeting and she was also a publicist, so she 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.680 was the one we would just I mean we would man. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.560 I was maybe sixteen and she did that fifteen and 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.520 you know, she got a British accent, went from the Bronx. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.400 It was like breakthoughts. So yeah, it was just working 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.720 with her, and but we didn't know that she was 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.440 feeding it out there like that, and that's how it 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.800 got into the press. A lot of people say the 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.440 media made that term up when it was her. It 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.240 was her single hands in the end. Once they heard 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.520 that was going, yeah, called back then viral, it was 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.320 called now viral, like it made its way around and 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.640 we had the most pressed back then, you know, for 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.480 that period of time and what we were doing, nobody 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.800 was getting more when Steady Yeah, so you literally like, 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.559 let's just take it back to the beginning. You literally 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.880 went on the first hip hop tour. Yep, I went 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:37.320 on I went on Home Le Noise. Yeah, I'm sitting 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.880 there and I'm like, wait the fuck a minute. So 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.640 because I gotta remember, everyone is thinking this is a 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.920 fad at this time, right, everything everyone is thinking that 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.280 this is black people's in Porto began people's version of 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.960 rock and roll. It's not gonna be successful. It's gonna 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.120 be just successful to them. But you guys wouldn't know 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:55.760 this was this was not in a world to all. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.520 This was the first tour, but it was in America, right, No, no, no, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.840 So there was two tours. There was one. Oh sorry. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.680 The first curated hip hop show for the sake of 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.520 presenting it to the downtown scene was curated by a 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.000 man named Henry child font Ok. And a lot of 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.640 people confused the word graffiti rock with the Michael Holman 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.520 show that was on TV with run DMC versus Treacherous three. Yes, 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.480 so graffiti Rock was a curated show at a place 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:28.360 called the Kitchen Center for Performing Arts in maybe nineteen eighty. Wow, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.360 that's a couple of years before the Graffiti Rock Show 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:36.679 on TV. And uh, Henry child font had got t 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.120 Kid as a graffiti writer to do the backdrop rock 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.640 study crew. We split ourselves up to perform a battle 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.160 as two different crews, and then you have Fat five, 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:49.280 Freddie H DJ Spy and just du Dame DJ Spying, Ramelsi, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.920 who weren't supposed to be there and I found out 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:57.280 some dirt should I air it out? Whatever you want? 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.920 Every child Fire told me that five to Fat five Friday, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.000 and I was trying to get like cold crush of fantastic. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:08.199 So fred injected himself and his boys. He became and 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.880 that's how he got this thing in terms of being 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:20.120 a performer in the scene. The first swindle. So when 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.040 you say the two first tours, okay, yeah, so that 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.960 was so the Kitchen after that had a twelve city tour, 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.560 so it was myself, Frosty Freeze, Fat five, Freddy DJ 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.000 Spy and then it was just like a collective of 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:37.400 like jazz and rock and pump artists going on the 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.160 twelve city tour between the States, Midwest and Canada. And 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:47.480 then after um, after that we started performing regularly downtown. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.800 So the first curated club events four hip hop presented 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.720 to the masses and being covered by like The Village Voice, 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.160 New York Times, Daily News, all that stuff and just 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.720 a certain energy. But to be clear, there's no mcs. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.880 There's nobody rapping on this tour, is there. Uh yeah, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.040 well you're talking about the Kitchen tour. Yeah, yeah, I 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.880 was Fat five Freddy. He was actually rhyman. I thought 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.920 he was just like hosting him seeing it as a host. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.640 I'm just gonna say we were high a lot on that, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:20.920 but I don't really remember. But yeah, so you know, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.240 he was massive ceremonies and dropping a little round some rhymes. Um. 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.600 And then this guy DJ spot was he was really dope. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.479 He's from Brooklyn. He was rocking out on the turntables. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.599 And then shortly after that we started doing shows in 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.880 the downtown scene. The first downtown club to ever have 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.880 a hip hop curated show besides the Kitchen, because the 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.760 Kitchen was a like an arts center, um was. It 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.120 was a place called the Grill. The Grill. Then I 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:55.199 got my nose red let something. You're still in my 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.040 interview because look, I was about to say this is 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:01.280 one of my questions, but way before before you told 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.440 people because somebody's like, yo, but no ship, I'm like, y'all, 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:09.160 nor he's good. He's good. That's it. It says the 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.079 Grill nightclub considered to be hip hop's first nightclub. Is 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.120 that the truth? I wouldn't say that. I would say 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.520 in terms of presenting hip hop to the downtown scene. Yeah, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.800 Downtown yeah, okay because because yeah, t connection, all the 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.120 Bond ball Room acts to Seagar Ride, Yeah, all stuff, 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:30.640 and then Harlem World. Okay, okay, okay, go the way 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.240 that you're saying all this, it makes me feel like 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.080 the dancers and the graffiti artists and the DJs were 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.840 more on the forefront at this point. Definitely easily Okay, yeah, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.240 let me. I don't want to get back to this subject, 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:48.319 but fear of me if you can. Right, we know 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:54.800 the five elements right of hip hop? Right, then hip 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.000 hop starts to change, right. Get these corporations they come 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:06.079 in some music of hip hop down, some don't. But 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:11.000 this was about maybe ten years ago. Being Capale, we 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.679 go to Europe and I would get where we're at 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:23.320 the story Germany. But I remember me going on the tour, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.760 and I remember before we went on the tour and 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.920 the promoters, which is disappeared and they would come back 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:34.199 and they would smell like old school crylns. Yeah, I'm 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.959 sorry for y'all, young innocent here break hand yeah, And 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:40.920 then they would be out there and they would have 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:45.079 the cardboard and I would be like, did they do 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.120 that just for us? And this was something that they 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.959 did at their hip hop clubs every and this was, this, 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.559 was this, It wasn't that long ago. But why is 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.760 it abroad people want to embrace the hip hop and 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.000 the elements more than we do is right here created 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.280 That's a deep question, man, I'm sorry now stopping me. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:10.920 I think I think none. I felt good about myself. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:15.280 I think because of it being very regional and like 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.319 our New York hip hop state of mind, the way 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.280 we came up and how we presented all the elements. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.160 A lot of people who got it later on in 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.439 the States only got wrapped, so they don't feel any 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.040 kind of real alliance to the elements of hip hop. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.000 And even when you say five elements of hip hop, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.640 you know, originally it was you know, breaking the DJ 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.679 and m seying, graffiti and de boxing, but then Bambado 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.800 changed it to knowledge that of de boxing, which I 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.400 thought was unfair. I'd say, just add the sixth one 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.079 yeah as well, yeah, yeah, yeah, because so that and 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.560 that happened like early nineties when they changed it. Yo, 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.360 But why does it? Why does the pure essence of 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.720 hip hop live in other places other than it's more appreciative? 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.959 Is that the word I should have been using. Yeah, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:04.679 it's definitely more I think I think people have you 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.400 have you experienced yeah, yeah, right, It's like, yeah, I 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.480 like that, But it's like, why don't do that home. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.400 It's my beef with loving hip hop? Like I said, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.760 it's not like they represent no, not at all culture, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:18.520 you know what I'm saying at all. And that's the thing. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.840 Here in the States, the word hip hop is just 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:22.760 it's wrapped music. By the way, I think it's the 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.600 most hip hop as conversation we ever had on the 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:32.040 show right now. So here's the thing. Okay, when we 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.680 live it, I think we take it for granted, especially 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.920 when it comes from people like us, and when people 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:42.120 outside got a lot of corny ship to live through, 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.200 Like you know, I don't think they go through the 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.440 same kind of pain. They embrace and they do the theatrical. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.720 I think it's more theatrical. Like it's even like with 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.640 with dudes who who who spit rise when never shot 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.880 a gun and they're talking about shooting guns or never 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:02.080 been in a real beef, it's theatrical, like you know, 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.960 for me, I know what it's like to be shot 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.240 at and to pull a trigger, and I'm not trying 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.040 to celebrate that ship. You know. So with a lot 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.720 of people, they think it's just like theatrics they're trying 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.720 to put on this persona because they think it's so cool. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.040 But it's like, yo, my dude, Like, if you're gonna 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.600 if you're gonna go out there and you're gonna dance 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.360 and you're gonna try to look like a hard rop, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.680 you know you ain't really being you because you didn't 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.840 you didn't have to live defending yourself worried about being 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.920 fighting people every week. But that part was confusing to 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.040 me growing up, Ceing B. Street. I was scared of you. 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.120 We were a while back. No, no, no, I'm talking 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.920 about literally because the way you approached the lead like Lee, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.000 I related to Lee, and then the way you were 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:44.440 just looking at him. I was like, this, dude, right, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.920 here's gonna hurt somebody like it looked like it looked 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.000 like how can you not? Like obviously, I'm young, I'm 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:56.400 looking at the time, and to me, be Boying was 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.280 gangster like, I mean, wasn't it made to diffuse real? No? No, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.800 that's some bullshit that New York City Breakers made up. Okay, 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.880 that's yeah. So they sent the ball Masters that they 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:15.960 were a gamn killing me bro. So the thing is 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.040 they did they did that that show that that's incredible, 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.040 And I think Michael Holman was kind of like steering 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.720 the narrative when they when they were talking. I'm guessing 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.680 I could be wrong, but um, look the dudes that 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.880 that that put me in rock Steady. They were straight 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.760 up stick up kids. And one of them, you know, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.360 he's doing a life bed and his name rings bells 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.680 in the system, you know, and um, but they were 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.640 notorious and the Bronx, he's kind of dudes that when 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.000 they were rolling up to a jam and co course 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.800 sees the man whoever sees them, they're like, yo, what's 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.480 something like? They're giving them that love. So shout out 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.080 to Jimmy d and Jimmy Lee. You know. So those 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:59.440 are the creators of Yeah, yeah, I got that my 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.280 notes too. But they were they were notorious. I wanted 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.240 from one of the third Yeah, and uh, they used 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.359 to hang around one eighty third and Davidson Cresting Crest. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.400 If you went to one eighty third and Cresting back 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.800 in this late seventies, you were a stick up kid, talented, 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:22.000 connected or stupid because you you know, you're not going 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.680 there and leaving without getting stuck up. It's like when 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.600 you went to the disco Fever. You went to the 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.160 disco Fever. It ain't like you know, I know, everyone 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:31.760 talks about how great it was in there in the 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.800 secret room behind the curtain where everyone's syniphon coke. But 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.359 in order to get through that block, you're literally putting 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.720 yourself on the line getting stuck up. And thankfully I 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.080 never got stuck up, but I went up in there. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.480 You know, makes a noise. You never get stuck up. Yeah, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.240 I mean even we was always we wants to do 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.560 it stick ups, right, because that's that's that's what I'm 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.000 watching the documentary. And you kept you kept h reiterated, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:57.520 and that you lived a double life like you got 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.879 after the double life. One on one hand, you got 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.760 would do a letterman, do a movie, do uh you 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.600 know this? And and then or the other half actually 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.679 stick it up. I think they said that you filmed 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.000 a scene and since you park like at the same 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.800 place we used to stick people. Yeah, we did an 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.000 anti we did an anti drug commercial with Curtis blow 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:25.560 waight up high. I didn't know that that's what it 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.879 was you did an anti drug commercial high yeah, in 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.399 the same place you used to roll people. And it 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.359 was it was directed by the dude from the Chicago 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.680 seven what's his name? They did the commercial the film 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.159 on him god legendary leader of the Chicago Seven at 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.959 point for rights, right, But yeah, so yeah we did. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:54.960 I mean uh and uh beach Beach Street ant scene yea, 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.440 most of us. I took up the battle scene on 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:04.960 the rock that was the roxy I thought was, oh no, 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.280 that's a different one. But in the club scene, okay, again, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.680 most of us were like on acid. That's why I can't. 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.040 I don't know why I can't image y'all that because 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.480 everyone thinks because we did. I just didn't know. I 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.040 think a different drug of anity. But it's cool, man, 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.560 bro y'all must have been tripping crack them. But but 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.080 the was the paper assid right, because they got different 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.280 they got different ass Now you understand, like I'm just 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.720 walking around us. Back then, we didn't brag about dirt. 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.960 There was no sense thing as like snitching on yourself 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.879 like it is now on records, right, you know, so 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.640 you didn't do that. You just you did your dirt 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.880 and you shut up. You take shit to the grave, Like, yeah, 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.480 I'm definitely taking a lot of ship. I'm not gonna 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.000 lie to when y'all, when y'all, when I see when 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.040 I see in the top of your Japanese risk, you 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.040 gonna take all doing let's do it. Let's do it. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.240 So I'm so, but I'm not gonna lie to you. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.920 There's nobody in the world that could have convinced me 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.760 that that wasn't real. Like when y'all walked by each 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.440 other like this this, I kid you not like I 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:17.720 didn't know what cinematography was like, I didn't know you 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.080 felt like it was like a documentary reality. By the way, 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.200 I know for a fact that was y'all. Ray Joel, 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:27.159 I know that that dog. Yeah, I know that. I 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.040 know that now from knowing. But but back then me 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.040 looking at that scene, I could not tell you. I 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.000 could not tell you if y'all was acting. You know, 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.280 here's a funny thing. We wore well, I think most 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.000 of us wore most of our own gear. I think 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.800 your seat breakers kind of wore a lot of the 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.399 Puma stuff because they were like the main group in 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.880 the in the film. Right, But uh, yeah, I mean, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:53.800 you know, we have to show up, but I don't shit. 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:55.240 You know, a lot of a lot of shit that 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.680 they were putting out was corny, So we weren't trying 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.520 to look like yeah, and thankfully we didn't end up 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.800 looking like the Breaking movies where they're wearing fluorescent clothing 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.800 and all that other stuff. It was that, you know, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:06.680 you couldn't walk through that like that in the hood 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.480 unless you were like a Madonna fan female. You know, 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:15.200 I wasn't ready. And one of the things that I 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.520 hear you frequently say is you said it was kind 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.080 of kind of stop battating at one point because these 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.600 guys were actually using your moves and using it against you. 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.440 How how could that feel? At first? So my dude, 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:30.840 Jerry Fonton, as I was talking to him one day, 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.560 he was like, Yo, rock steady for the nineties, rock 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.560 steady for the nineties, and and you know, I was 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.560 always thinking, like, Yo, what are we gonna do battle 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.280 people who are doing my all moves against us? But 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.399 and I was kind of upset with that. But then 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.680 he was like, yo, my dude, like you gotta look 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:45.919 at it like this. You created something that people are 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.600 doing around the world, right and in the hood were 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:50.719 thinking like, yo, you're biting my ship, like yo, what's up? 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.840 And I instead of being flattered by it, yeah, I 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:55.480 didn't know how to be flattered by it yet. And 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.440 then at that point I was like, all right, cool. 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.120 But in the Bronx we had way more advanced moves 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.440 than other people in other boroughs. So and I was 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:05.879 going to use other burrows and they saw me do 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.240 what I was doing. They were definitely stealing. I don't 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.080 want to say my ship because there was other people 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.359 before me, and I don't I never want to like 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.919 take credit away from them. But they took a lot 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.320 of the Bronx style. And then you know, some people 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.960 got it, some people didn't. But you don't get to 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.560 be number one without some whack motherfuckers around. Of course, 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.720 you know you gotta beat some people flattery, let's say, 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:32.440 flattery lemitation. But like you know, to ask like a 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.800 cliche question like big Biggie Small said, did you ever 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.720 thought that this would go this far? Like like the culture, 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.560 like this commercialization? Because remember at one point being commercial 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.639 was whack like if you like almost almost let me 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.600 let me let me reiterate that. Not when we started, though, 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:53.639 it wasn't considered whack that Okay, put us on because 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.840 there was no industry for us. There was only opportunity. 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:01.200 And bro look, my first show that I got paid, 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:03.719 I got paid well nine. The second show I got 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:08.119 paid anything substantial, I got paid fifty dollars, right, and 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.200 it was that that show at the Grille. And when 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.240 I got that fifty dollars, you know, I grew up poor, right, 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.359 so like like by the time I was eighteen, I 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.679 had ten different home addresses and so when I had 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.920 that fifty dollars and I was able to go from 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.880 my school across the street to the diner and get 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.560 my own meal for the first time in my life. Wow, 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:32.640 that you know, growing up in poverty, domestic violence, dysfunction, 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.080 all that shit. That ship was everything to me. And 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.600 not only that, it was the like, uh all up 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.200 to all my people from the Bronx, but it was 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.720 considered the burnt down bron Yeah, yeah, the boogie down 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.919 bron I'm man, Frosty Freeze always used to call us, 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:45.959 call us the boogie down and burn bron burned down 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.880 the Bronx. Right, you know this, there's nice. The last 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.680 time you've been in the Bronx. I've went around. There's 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.159 like a there's like a park. It's so beautiful. I'm like, 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.119 oh my god, I forget where it's at. It's like not, 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:01.920 uh is it? Man? I looked. I was like, they're 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.680 fooling people. This is still but but I didn't think 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:10.520 the Bronx would be gentified. It's stubborn, right, It's definitely stubborn. 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:14.320 It's it's probably like one of the slowest moving paces 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.720 out of any gentrification in the world. Right, and you 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.359 live in Puerto Rico. Now I have a place in 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.879 Puerto Rico, and I also stay have my place. Okay, 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:28.560 all right, my back. You know what's crazy. I've recently 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:34.080 um because I had too much sponsibilities in Puerto Rico 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.560 at one point, like just just being out there trying 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.119 to make the music and just but I recently just 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:40.639 went out there and I fell back in love with 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.240 Puerto Rico like this as soon as you and what 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.400 was going on with the Puerto Rico Relief that the initiative, 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:52.600 you're yeah, oh oh wow, it's crazy because there's certain 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:55.960 things I can't talk about that because we found loopholes 0:24:56.440 --> 0:25:01.640 in terms of how to get supplies legally into into 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:07.000 Puerto Rico legally, but you know, the system would change 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.160 if we if I talked about it, and they probably 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.119 put a block. There's a lot of political roadblocks to 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.960 get This is bullshit. It's all about money. But you know, 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.800 I've always felt like, number one, if I felt like, 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:18.440 if I was going to contribute to any kind of 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:23.639 tax environment, I'd rather buy something in Puerto Rico. Started 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:26.560 with that, I ended up realizing that, Okay, well there's 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:31.360 a lot of dysfunction within Puerto Rican history because of colonization, 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:33.880 and if there's something that I could do to help 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.600 people move forward, let me do it. But then you 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.920 have it. It's in the line of disasters, you know, 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:43.359 hurricanes and all that stuff, and you know, growing up 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:47.080 poor and see my people struggle that that hit me hard. 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.600 So you know, I went down there. Rebull helped me 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.320 out to U going, you know, get a couple of 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.080 private planes of supplies to go down there. I helped 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.159 bringing water, right, Yeah, I did water filtration systems with 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.520 organism Nation called Waste for Water, where we enabled two 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:06.960 hundred thousand people to have access to turning their water 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.720 into clean water. This is when Trump was stolen them. 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:12.840 Ye yes, yes, yes. And then you know earthquakes. I 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:17.040 mean we've we've raised a lot of money, we've uh, 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:19.600 we had an earthquake tool yeah yeah, that was in 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.439 between Fiona and Maria. Get the funk out of here. 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.200 And that's crazy. Now here's a wild shit. Yeah. So 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.000 when you're going into an earth Japanese whiskey, we will 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.480 see it. I don't know, yeah yeah, hell yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.200 I'm ready, I'm ready. Yeah yeah. So yeah, and you 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.640 had an earthquake. Yeah, there's an earthquake. And and here's 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.080 a crazy he says, like you could grow up in 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:44.119 the hood and feel threatened and get something to protect yourself, 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:46.320 But when you're going into a ground zero of an 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:50.320 earthquake situation, I don't care how hard you are, what 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.760 you've been through, you have no defense, right, and you 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.040 know you're driving right to ground zero, and you gotta 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.199 make the choice like, all right, well, this is how 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.919 I die. And but the bigger picture is somebody got 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.840 to go there, right, And those are the choices we 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.600 make when we go into disaster areas, Like I could 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.800 die today and I'm okay with that. And you're saying 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.760 Puerto Rico was considered a disaster area at that time. Yeah, 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:19.360 every time there's aye, so why like you was so resilient, 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:23.800 this is this is was crazy right, Well it's considered 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:30.440 American property, colony, colony, colony. Yeah, but we technically Puerto Rico, 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:35.040 the state technically Puerto Rico is under military rule, meaning 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:39.280 meaning it was taken by force during the Spanish American 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:43.359 War right after the Spanish is left like eight days. 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:49.000 The United States said, is that why Lois is black? 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.000 Black people? To me? And Lois no Puerto Ricos. Puerto 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:58.080 Ricans were originally black b Yeah that talk. Yeah, I mean, 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:02.640 you know, you know, dark skin, you know, and it's 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:04.359 I mean, it's the reason why my hair when my 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.240 hair grows, my hair grows into an affro. No product needed, 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:11.000 right you know. But that's that's in US. So Um, 0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.639 like when even when people talking about the debate of 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:15.760 like Puerto Ricans and hip hop and all that, you know, No, 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.160 that's what I'm going you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:25.040 Joe has said, hold on, it's because your motherfuckers some 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:37.280 crazy best Joe. Um, I'm forty five, Joe is I 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.200 think a couple of years and I think you're like 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.000 ten years fifty seven, fifty seven, okay, so what's that 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:50.800 Joe's like? So for those that don't know, not only 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.720 were you know, Puerto Ricans involved with the making of 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:56.960 the music and the throwing of the jams. When it 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.360 comes to how people and there's a couple of Latinos, 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.200 there might have been some too in every element of 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:08.560 hip hop, like because you know it's fucked up, Just 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:13.560 go for it, bro, because I kids nowadays think hip 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:17.600 hop started with Biggie and Tupop And what's fucked up 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.760 is they don't go back in their research, but they'll 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.320 have on a pair of Jordan's where he didn't play 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:27.200 forty years ago. Right, how the fuck you making money 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.280 off of this? And you don't know your history, but 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.200 you know Jordan's. Jordan didn't give not one of us 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.520 a free pass yet. But this is our mental colonization. Man. 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:42.840 Do you know when it comes to like people trying 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:46.120 to figure out the history or the anniversary date of 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:50.120 hip hop, which is man suspect right that that date 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:55.480 the year's suspect. It's like Christmas, Like nobody ready Christmas. Yeah, 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.560 it's exactly like that. And the thing is that people 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:03.680 have gotten so comfortable with a narrative or the romanticizing 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:08.200 of a particular story or perspective that they're taking that 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.880 as absolute. But there's enough data out there to cross 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:18.520 reference and be like, well, geographically time, it's just impossible 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.080 for certain things that have happened. And if you're looking 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.880 at a flyer and then another person in that same 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.400 flyer that says I didn't even know him that year? 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:27.920 How am I? How am I on this flyer? This 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:35.200 flyer's fake. So there's doctored flyers to to make up 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.840 the history of him. I'm gonna say it right now. Fuck, yeah, yeah, 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.600 there is. But I do understand that we have to 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.160 come to a consensus where it's like, all right, well, 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.280 we got to celebrate something at some point, but but 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.560 it just shouldn't be based off of a comfortable lie. 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.720 Because if you're looking at all the archives that are 0:30:55.760 --> 0:31:00.600 being acquired by Cornell, Harvard, all these places, is when 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.680 they start cross referencing, they're gonna be like, oh, that's 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:06.080 a lie. That's a lie. This person lived here at 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.240 this point, he went to that school and all sort 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.560 of stuff. And then even on the Puerto Rican and 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.080 black things. It's like if you're looking at Disco Mario, 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.800 this guy texts Hollywood I believe his name is, and 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.920 cou Hirk being those absolute first DJs. Look, if you 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:23.160 were back down back then, no one would know you're Latino, 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:24.880 and there would be no reason for them to know 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.719 you're Latino because we just lived amongst each other. Your problems, 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:30.920 my problem. When we get pulled by the costs, we're 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.440 getting pulled together in the bronx. So it doesn't matter 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.400 whether you're black, Puerto Rican, or whatever. So for you, 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.080 your background is what I'm black and Puerto Rican. Okay, 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.240 So never had no need to say that back then, 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.520 Disco King Mario black and Puerto Rican text Hollywood, Puerto Rican. 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.680 But they look like you. And that's the thing that 0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.080 a lot of people who grow up in areas that 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.680 are segregated don't understand. In New York, we're to stacked 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.440 up on each other. We lock arms with each other. 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:04.160 You know you're protesting. I protesting with you, and a 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.280 lot of places aren't unified community. I heard you say 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:11.200 something real, real important. You said if you was to 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.479 take away I think you said Porter weekends. So if 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.080 you take away Porter weekends in hip hop. If you 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:22.640 take away Joe Conso's photos that's in hip hop, the 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.480 whole story of hip hop becomes very difficult to tell 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.720 because he's the first one, and he's from within the 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:32.040 hip hop community to actually document what he was doing, 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.600 you know, with just the environment. And he was a 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.360 little chubby kid. I didn't even know him back then, 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.840 but he just picked up a camera and started documenting. 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:44.120 If you removed all of Joe Conso's photos, everything that 0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.920 we look at as iconic photos from the seventies, they'd 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.000 be all gone because there's no one else. I think 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:54.959 the reason why people even dispute this debate is because 0:32:55.400 --> 0:33:01.760 because they're stupid, because look, they're the young, stupid divisionists 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.160 or don't come from our area and don't understand how 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.040 black and Latinos in New York we fucking rolled different. 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:14.320 Yeah we were not. I'm sorry, like to me, to 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.560 my brothers, I don't give a fuck, Like we've never 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.720 had to have this discussion, right because it's like, Yo, 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.280 your beef is my beef. Let's go. But you can 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.760 see how like a person from uh like East Los Angeles, Yeah, 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:31.479 because they're they're so segregated, segregated and there, and then 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:33.840 it's like places like Chicago as well, like where it's 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.960 nothing but porter. Yeah, but still still it's still segregated. 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.520 Like when I go to you know why I got 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.240 the flag. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.360 love to go there. But I always remember, like some 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:48.680 of my black friends don't like it, like they'd be like, 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.640 oh yeah, but even in the hotel, even those segregated 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.760 areas will tell you that historically hip hop was the 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.800 thing to bring everybody together. Yes, okay, even in those areas, 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.840 it was still happening, right yeah, and you know, um 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.400 when you're looking at it, like look, I went along 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.840 in the nineties when I started to move around again. 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:08.600 I went to San Diego and there was a sister 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.239 in the gas stage something like yeah, give me whatever, 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.480 I'm pump whatever. And she looks at me like, where 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.560 are you from? And I'm like, she mean where I'm from? 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.399 Because she could smell the New York on you. Yeah, yeah, 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:23.440 I said, I'm from New York. She goes because you 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:27.560 don't sound like no Mexican. Yeah, I mean that's what 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:34.080 that's gonna She goes, you black. I'm like, I got 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.120 that in me. But you know, Puerto Rican and we 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:38.560 mixed like that. You know what a Puerto Rican was 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:42.440 or this? No she didn't know what putocan. Yeah, no, kid, 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.680 you not. If you pass passed Virginia sometimes it changes. 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.239 It's still Latinos, but it changes to a different type 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.120 of that. Yeah, of course, yes. And you know this, 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:54.480 it's crazy. You know, Dominican is everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:58.080 was in Switzerland and they had a fucking Dominican restaurant. 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:05.160 I said, the price was crazy anywhere, bro, I don't 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:10.160 even think anybody in Dominican the Dominican restaurant. And you know, 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.080 I want to be fine forget because I wanted to 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.080 just shout out. This is organization UM called the Elijah 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.439 Project in Rhode Island and it's black and Latino owned, 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.280 and you know, we're starting a huge initiative in Puerto 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:25.120 Rico as well as areas in the United States where 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.280 we're going to really reach out to people in different 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:32.320 communities of need and deliver furniture, appliances, all kinds of 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.520 stuff and also have a nice partnership with Amazon where 0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.560 they're giving me budgets to find to source out people 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:42.640 in desperate need as a result of disasters, and we're 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:47.000 just you know, no politics, no religion involved, just humanity, 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.360 like just helping people someways helping you just want to 0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:53.960 give them some love. Oh yeah, flowers. Well it's crazy. 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.000 We want you to know. Our show was about giving 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.160 people they flowers. I had so much fun researching and 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.120 you know, into your life and we wanted to personally, 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.960 face to face, give you your flowers because you're deserve it. 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:15.319 Oh there, you go right over the beds. But let 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.480 me give you something then. Okay, cool, let's go. I 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.640 got something right here. I'm throwing my glasses because of 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:24.120 old So my man Mayor one thirty nine, who's here. 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.160 He was also in Star Wars. Okay, wow, hell yeah 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:31.200 he is. He's the one actually the person who designed 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.799 the BT Award as a yeah, we haven't gotten it yet, 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.360 which we we wanted. We didn't get it. I can 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.480 open it right, hopefully this pops off right. This is 0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:44.840 a little present for the show. Anything anything boys to 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:49.160 represent be boys and Vegas to make sure there's always 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.520 some B boy Vegan representation. And if you can tell 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.440 me what I'm missing over what am I doing? You 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:59.879 can come over here. If you want, yeah, please please, Yeah, 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:04.840 it's something that's supposed to jump off with. But this 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:13.600 is the authenticity of it. Wow, I believe that's your 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:23.880 music for your show. Sorry? Oh shit, Oh that right 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:28.839 on the table. Yea, that is amazing. Make sure wind 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:36.640 up like another award. Yeah. No. Diversity of the culture 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:43.719 in the language. Absolutely, Yes, he's an original too, thank you, brother. 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:45.600 He was probably into hip I don't know if he 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:48.279 was into hip hop before me, but maybe around at 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.840 the same time. Now that we didn't even call it 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.719 hip hop until like eighty two, and a lot of 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:55.759 people don't understand when you get into that. Yeah, so 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.279 in eighty two, So how is hip hop fifty then? 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:05.480 Because you're saying it's blitz? Is it? It's fifty because 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:09.799 you know, some of the elders don't want to stir 0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:13.080 the waters, and I get it. But in fifty years 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.319 from now, when we're all dead, some person's gonna cross 0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:19.560 cross reference and be like, this is wrong, this is 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.399 all So you're so you're saying hip hop eighty two, 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.120 So what you put it? I'm put it this way. 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:26.520 The people on that that first flyer and a lot 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:28.360 of people are gonna be really upset with me for this. 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.320 There are certain people on that flyer who said I 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.799 didn't even know cou Hirk on that day. I didn't 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.360 meet cool Hirk until two years later. And that flyer 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:41.160 only showed up ten years ago. And what fly is this? 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.600 So the famous flyers posted they're supposed to be the 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.719 first jam Now, now whose name is on this? Yam? DJ? 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.680 Clark Kent, the original Clark Kent, Tommy something. I forgot 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:56.200 his name, um cool Hurk. But Clark Kent didn't know 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.600 cou Hirk until two years later. Based on what he said, 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:02.040 he had him twenty five And there's a whole bunch 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:03.399 of stuff like you know, a lot of people think 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:08.520 cool her started breakbeats. No it was a dude name stop. 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:10.480 No no, no, no no no. But here's the thing, 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.440 I'll get to the good ship. A guy named John Brown, 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:16.640 that's his name. He's DJ at a club and cou 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:18.840 Hirk went there. And I have coul Hirk's first interview, 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.000 so I got the data, I got the receipts. So 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.440 in there he says he saw this dude named John 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.000 Brown spending at this club in the Bronx and then 0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.000 he was inspired. Now the thing is that, yeah, he 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.719 inspired HERK, but HERK inspired the other people who really 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:39.239 elevated and evolved everything into a different lane. So I 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.239 would never take anything away from cool Hirk's contribution, but 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.879 I'm not gonna embellish it. And even without the embellishment, 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:49.200 he's still creaming a crop when it comes to the music. 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.600 So because that's the one thing I feel like everyone 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.160 hip hop kind of agrees with that Cool Hirk is 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.759 the father. But he wasn't call the father of hip 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.840 hop until Bambia told everyone to stop calling himself the 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.319 father of hip hop. He told people, yo, don't call 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.240 him Bamba, right, every we all used to call Bamboo 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:09.080 father of hip hop? But why is that? Because Bamboo 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:10.880 is the one who corralled the streets of hoods and 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.120 the black maids and bringing out all the well I 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.360 mean just in terms of like you know, if you 0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.600 if you threw a Zoom Nation jam, you'll see co 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.160 Chris performing. You see Treacherous three, so sonic for us. 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.399 So band was bringing everyone together. Band you know, also 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.920 celebrated the b boys and the graffiti, like he made 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.759 the elements come together to become he cold, He didn't 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:35.040 curate it like that. But everything was treated as one family, 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.520 you know. And in the early nineties, band was like, yo, stop, 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.040 you know, don't call me the father of hip hop. 0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:45.120 But he was inspired by Herk as a DJ, so 0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.840 he was because he was inspired by herc. He wanted 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.120 to give her Herk the ultimate hip hop thing, which 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.560 is not fair because if you start taking a part 0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.440 the elements graffiti DJ and breaking him seeing okay, who 0:40:57.560 --> 0:40:59.879 is his peers in each one that I'm gonna say 0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:02.360 the exact same thing about him being a father of 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:07.920 every element. It's not gonna happen. It's impossible. But I 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.759 feel like we're talking about Socrates. Yeah yeah, no, I 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.840 mean sense are no. And the thing is is that 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:18.040 when you're looking at people like um Graham, mass of Chas, 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.640 Mellie mel Uh and different writers like Lee Kenyona's Future 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:26.200 or two thousand Uh Phase two, those dudes are like 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.400 the coup hurts of their own element of hop. Right, 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.040 So when you say ko Hirk is the father of 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.319 hip hop, that diminishes the role of every leader from 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.880 every other element of hip hop. But no one ever, 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:39.719 I've never already heard no one else say what you 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.279 just said, just now, because they're saying this because I 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:46.560 talked shit, you know, you know, honestly you're saying they're 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.440 saying it, but they're not saying they know it. I loove. 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.040 I went to a meeting and I'm not gonna throw 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.279 any names out because I love my brothers, man, But 0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:55.800 I went to a meeting where we were going to 0:41:55.800 --> 0:42:02.080 address cook That's okay, another drink, but I'm still a leader, right. 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:05.520 So there was a meeting where someone was sent to 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:10.080 as cool Hirk's representative, and the question got to the 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:15.480 point where, okay, the cool HRK create hip hop and 0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:19.520 this is someone that's cool Hirks peered and he was like, no, 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.160 but am I going to say that in public? No? 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.440 And then he rightfully said, because y'all motherfucker's other ones 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.560 who started calling him the father, you know, but we 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.640 were told that by Banbada, so we didn't know better, 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.960 you know. And even with that, it still doesn't take 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:45.080 down cool Hirk and his influence, his impact on the 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.040 community that he served. You know. It's just that there 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.480 are more pieces to the puzzle. Look, I could easily 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.080 sit here and say yo, I save breaking two times, 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.120 you know, but how can I do that without competition? 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.719 Who who my battle ain't to have saved it? Who's 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.040 number Who's the number one record? You know, there's no 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:07.120 number two. So I gotta give credit to New York 0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:10.480 City Breakers and Dynamic Rockers and all the crews that 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.600 that I came up with, like from the Bronx Rockwell Association, 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.920 the Bronx Boys, start Child of Rock, all these crews 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.439 that will never get the attention because they never moved 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.759 forward after that point. But I'm still going to recognize them. 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:25.799 Let's get some clarity on what you're saying, because you're 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.400 saying herk for the music, So are you saying that 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:33.640 before that? Obviously the graffiti artist and the dancers, that 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.640 was already happening. It was. I would say it was 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:40.160 a genesis because because people say that Kirk came from Jamaica, yep, 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.640 and he was that's like kind of how bringing the 0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:48.040 turntables together. That's a nice story. Oh my god. You know, 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:53.440 if you're talking, if you're talking, if you're talking sound 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.560 systems and where he comes from and that coming from there? Yes, 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.480 But was that already in New York? Which I've seen 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:01.440 this argument a lot, a lot, so I'll give you 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:05.000 the doubt. There's a dude name Coup dj D who 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.600 was already in the parks. Coo dj D was getting 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:11.000 a new sound system. He sold his old sound system 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:14.080 to Cool Hirk. That's when Coo Hurk came into the parks. 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:16.600 The sound system that Ku Hirk talks about, what that 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.040 he got from his father was a house system. That's 0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.680 why he could do the community centers. You couldn't bring 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:23.960 that system out into the parks. It's gonna be like 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:28.840 bringing a little box, right. So Coo dj D was 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.680 that dude who he was already in parks. Mario was 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:33.319 in the parks. There was a lot of people who 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.399 in the parks, some people doing disco, and it wasn't 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:39.000 as I would say, curated in terms of music the 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.960 way Coo Hirk did. Because Coo Hirk is the one 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:46.719 who curated that hip hop sound without a doubt and 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.799 you and that, but not specific to the breaks. You're saying, yes, 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.319 but the way the party was being done from Cool 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:57.080 Hirk's perspective on changed it. But his inspiration came from 0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.239 this different people and his sound system came from someone 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.239 else as well, So that meant that he wasn't the 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.800 first in the parks, right, But even with that, he 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:09.360 doesn't he was still the first major influence on the 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:13.960 larger body of people, and that is fucking amazing, right. 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.640 And I can have my differences with the timelines and 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.400 inconsistent stories, but I will never take away his flowers 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:26.839 because he deserves those. They just don't need to be embellished. Yeah, 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:31.560 I didn't mean to bring you guys down. It's it's 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:34.440 it's like, I believe that's the first time I heard that. 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:36.919 It's the first time for me as well, like even 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:39.400 if I did hear except the part of the of 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.040 the turntables, because I feel like the same way that 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.920 people have been trying to take away the Puerto Rican 0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:47.920 Latino side of it, they've also been trying to take 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:50.680 away the Jamaican influence on it. So I feel like 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.799 there's that argument going on. But here's the thing. I don't. 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.560 I don't and I wasn't. I wasn't there a couple 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:58.680 of years before I started, So I don't know if 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.919 Cool Herk was playing Jamaican music, but the only person 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.080 I knew that was playing reggae was Bambada. He was 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:08.040 playing Yellow Man Guy I can't even think of all 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.000 other artists right now, but Bambada was the one who 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:15.520 turned us on in hip hop to what would be 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:22.160 considered rock steady, you know that style of reggae. Holy shit, man, 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.520 I mean the tapes are there, you can hear them, 0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:27.680 and that's that's and that's the good thing is that 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:31.719 these tapes exist. Thankfully. Tape Master the rest in peace. 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.360 He just passed away. And that's another brother. We wouldn't 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:40.080 have those musical references if tape Master wasn't making those 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:43.080 tapes back then. Did DJs do that sometimes? Yeah? But 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:46.840 if there was a first industry hip hop music industry, 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.680 tape Master was the dude. He was the first, I 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:54.959 would say, mixed tape king. Yeah, absolutely, so. I would 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.840 you say that in your day you would battle to 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.239 get your name, But then now it's like in order 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.960 for a person to secure their name, they don't battle. No, no, 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:08.360 no no. What I said was in order back in 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.840 the days. And if you you had to battle to 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.480 protect your rep. Oh okay, these days people avoid battles 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.920 to protect their rep right right? Why? Yeah, I don't know. 0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:20.040 Like for me, if I heard you was like the 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:22.960 boy whoever and you live like twenty blocks away, I'm 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.960 like fourteen, I'm rolling up on your block, like, yo, 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:27.840 you e a fen I don't know what you look like. 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:33.920 You break, you want to battle, we battle right there 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:35.800 in the concrete, or we go find a hallway and 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.120 something like that. But that's what it was. I mean, 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.920 everyone put their reps on the line. I mean, look 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:42.800 look at if you look at this dude, Gabriel was 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:48.520 out on the boxer. Okay, his his warrior status in 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:52.480 the game, even when he doesn't win. I mean, he's 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.680 still held in high regards, right because he's a fucking warrior. 0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:58.439 He puts his name on the line, and even after 0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:01.640 he fights, his name is very well protected no matter 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.920 what the outcome, right. And that's where the hip hop 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.640 was built off of. Man, it's all we had, bro. 0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.839 We were poor, you know. The only thing you had 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:13.960 was just like, you know, some props, you know, maybe 0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:16.400 met some girls something like that, and that was it, 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:21.719 Jesus what it was. It was. The money came from 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:27.279 stick ups. It was It's a street culture from the game, 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:32.640 drug dealers with with like backyard right. No, no, no, no, 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.480 we no, we didn't do it like that. Um It 0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:38.360 was just like I like coming here, Like I was 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:40.279 like the main dude in the streets anything like that. 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.600 You know, we you dance, you practice, you get hungry. 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:44.960 They said, you like you was the only way to 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.440 jail a little bit. Everyone else with the jail, and 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:49.800 he was like the only one that, like, should I 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:54.640 have been in jail? Yeah, multiple times, but I don't talk, 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:59.479 and that's just it. Like I beat a case where 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:01.640 I was ready to take the charge, you know, I 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:05.520 told my man just stand back, I'm taking everything, and 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:10.800 I beat the case. So you know, I bullshitted my 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:16.560 way through that too, So hold on saying no more, 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.000 oh no, no, no, I got one more quick time. 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:25.600 Oh yeah, So you invented the wooden mill, but yeah, 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.440 you originally called it the backspen the continue uh no. 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.640 So there's two versions. There's just the backspen where you 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:34.600 spend really fast, okay, which I called the whip back spin, 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:37.719 and then the windmill, which was originally called the continuous 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.400 back spin with the over legs. Yes, okay. Yeah, So 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:42.640 that was all I did that on like Qatona Avenue, 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:46.080 Toronto and in a hallway just you was trying not 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.040 to fall or something. I was trying not to hit me. 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:53.440 You know, those two doorways, slim hallways, tenement buildings. It's amazing, 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:58.400 and I wanted I overrotated, and uh, I just was 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.359 trying not to, you know, for the fast, I try 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:02.719 not to hit the walls with my feet. So I 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:06.800 bawled up and sent tripical force with me around and 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.600 I started spending real fast. And I did that when 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:13.960 I was maybe thirteen and and and that was what 0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.319 we called the backs. That was, yeah, the backs been, 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.680 the whipp backs been because your leg whips around and 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.319 forces you to spend fast. So when did it become 0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:25.200 the member the windmill? Probably around maybe within that same year. 0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:28.680 I actually called it the continuous, but since we were 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.800 after a while, we were already traveling years later, and 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:34.160 people didn't know the names of these moves because more 0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:37.640 people were starting to break again, So names changed because 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:40.040 people don't know. When I hanging out with every crew, 0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.680 we only hung out with our own crew, And at 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:46.360 that point I had I was rock steady crews like 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.960 five hundred deep, but it was stick up with kids, 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:55.120 DJ's b boys, DJ's MC's hangout crew writers, all that stuff. 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.680 We rolled thick man, do you realize that that's a 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.759 writer of passage. Like if anybody is a dancer, if 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:05.800 anybody really wants to take theirselves real, it's like, I 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:07.960 think you got to learn I gotta know the rhym 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:14.440 mail boy Yeah no, no, no no, I'm saying dancing overall, 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:19.480 b boying, but dancing overall. It's like you have to 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:25.120 know the windmill, the move, the moonwalk, and it's like 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:30.480 one other dance. So so how the three dances popping, lock, 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.000 and breaking? You know? Um? And then I mean some 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.040 people in New York's are called electric boogie, which is 0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.040 a wrong version of popping locking mix together. It's like 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.560 mixing south Side mad ain't get together. I like it. 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.279 I like people people call it no, but I mean 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:47.040 mixing the dance steps, which is two different rhythms, two 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.000 different rhythms, So you can't do that. So a lot 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.560 of people don't know the history, don't know that popping 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.720 and locking are two different dances the same way sce 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:59.440 mambo a popping and locking different thing too. Yeah, so 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:02.600 once pop was locking, and how did those two relate 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:07.719 to what you guys were doing? Uh, that's West Coast 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.560 stuff and the robot that's West Coast stuff, right, Yeah, 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:14.600 robot popping locker. Yeah, that was the electric Boogaloos, and 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.319 the lockers would be one of the ones who are 0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:21.120 on Soul Train. And we on the East Coast used 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:23.319 to watch Soul Train and a lot of people try 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:24.880 to show up at the club. A lot of girls 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:26.759 back then would try to do a lot of the 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:29.920 moves from Soul Train, just for like like the social 0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:33.400 dance aspect of it, right, you know, it's funny. I 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:38.360 was watching, right, and because I obviously I'm a little younger, 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:42.719 so I don't remember ever anybody not ever being a 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:47.279 breaking on anything but a cardboard. We started that. I 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:50.360 got I got your story. I got your story. But 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:54.600 there's a part that I'm watching and you said that 0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:57.000 you were doing it at first on the rubber mats 0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.800 under the swing. Yep. So when I was saying that 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.759 on the former, I was like, yo, he just said 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:04.960 that he started doing this shit on the rubber mats, 0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:08.279 and I'm realized, I'm speaking to my friend from the 0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:10.799 West Coast. He can't relate at all. He's like rubber mats. 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.360 I'm like, you guys never had swings, And he's like 0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:16.440 he was saying I don't know. I didn't know what 0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:19.640 I mean they had said. I mean I was I 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.160 was a kid in too. That's what's funny, Like we 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:25.440 had the lead. Yeah, I'm listening. I'm listening to a 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:27.520 West Coast guy. I'm listening to a SOB guy, and 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:30.520 I'm like, yo, I just heard crazy like say that 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:32.960 if they wasn't on concrete, the safest thing they was 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.040 to do was on the rubber mats. And both of 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:39.160 them was like, what rubber mats? And I'm like, you 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.480 didn't have rubber mats? And they're like, by the swings, 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:44.640 by the park, you didn't have rubber mats. No one, 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:47.240 this is a New York City thing. I had no idea. 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:51.040 I thought the whole world had fucking rubber mats. Yeah, so, 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:55.759 but describe to people because I also heard you say 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:57.960 that you actually used to do it raw on the 0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:01.040 on on on a seaman. Yeah, we we started breaking 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:06.360 on concrete definitely. How was we were bloody well, bloody 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:12.839 b boys lifting all day. Yes, the moons were new 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:15.680 and not mastered yet we'd have scrapes on a on 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.080 a lower back say that. So, yeah, there was a 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.160 lot of a lot of blood at the beginning of 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:24.400 breaking Wow, So who could whose idea was like, yo, 0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:27.520 let's go get the cardboard. So I ninety h t 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:29.920 didn't answer them. In New York, there's a park there 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.400 which is now known as rock Steady, but which is 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:37.560 brilliant by the way, they fucking went and got cardboard. 0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:40.840 And I don't know who was the first one to 0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:43.560 do it, it's one of my guys. So right next 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.400 to the park there used to be an Appliant store. 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.680 So in between the park and the Applian store is 0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:51.800 an alley where they would put all their trash trash 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:53.960 far boys, and the next store to that was a 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:56.320 ninety nine cent store. So we would go there still 0:54:56.719 --> 0:54:59.879 still tape, and then we take climb over the fence 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.719 full cardboard because we wanted to keep our gear fresh. 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.640 Right that's when the carboards from. Yeah. Yeah, it was 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:09.439 to not fuck up your gear to spend okay, okay, yeah, okay, 0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:11.319 So we wanted to stay fresh. I mean we didn't 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:13.640 have much clothing to really just jump there, like yeah, 0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:16.560 I got my practice clothes and you know, my hangout clothes. 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:20.160 So we would just set up and do that and 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.880 I'll send you some images if he needed for the show. Yeah, yeah, 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:27.560 because I ain't gonna lie like me being from New 0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:30.120 York City, It's like it's a proud moment for us, 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:32.839 like to see people come together. Like I didn't even 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:36.000 know what we were doing. Like I would go to 0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:38.680 because you know, from left Rack City, So I would 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.000 go to USA Skating Ring. But I know, you gotta 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:43.000 I got a story about that. I would go up 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.480 there and it was like I didn't know it was 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:49.279 a cool club at least at that time. And the 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.440 people who wouldn't be able to get in there to 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:53.759 go skate in or whatever, they would stay outside with 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.279 the carboys. But these was like the guys like that 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.000 means they didn't have like six dollars or three dollars. Oh, 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:02.320 they ain't had no juice, you know. Like and I 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:08.160 would sit out a DJ, so I would, you know, 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:10.640 go there, and but I didn't know that was like 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.759 a technique. I didn't really know, Like I didn't know, 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.279 like I just would see this and this would be 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:18.640 something like like I said, I'm forty five years old, 0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:21.120 so hip hop is older than me. I I have 0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:22.800 that in the run. Hip hop is older than me. 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:25.240 I listened to it in my stroller because I don't remember. 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:29.680 I can't remember where hip hop didn't exist, right, you're 0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:33.560 old enough to remember the time. Yeah, I. And it's 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:37.400 funny because like as much as people call me a pioneer, 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:41.120 like and then people try to separate generation this generation, 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:44.520 that generation and still don't know the different definition of 0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:48.439 a generation, you know. But yeah, I started seventy seven. 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:52.520 So if in my in the way I look at history, 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.239 I would say hip hop starting seventy five. Okay, you 0:56:55.320 --> 0:57:03.920 know because most of the people, um, who can what's 0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:08.600 your name? What's the word? Uh? Stories? Most of the 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:14.200 stories are seventy five, you don't. We just rounded it 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:16.360 off to the nearest tent. I think so, I think. 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:19.320 But I think that's still fair. That still hip hop though, yeah, yeah, 0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:24.080 still hip hop. It older, I think it's younger. I 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:28.080 think it's younger by two years. Yeah, but I'm cool 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:32.320 with settling. But I'm also understanding that somebody's gonna change 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:34.040 that ship in the future when we're not around it 0:57:34.600 --> 0:57:38.000 and no emotions are involved, you know, they're just looking 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:45.720 at times and and data and location and possibilities. But um, yeah, 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.920 So if I started in seventy seven and and when 0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:52.120 people say like, oh, Latinos weren't there, I'm like, all right, well, 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:54.480 how long did it take to create before we got 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:57.880 in My brother wasn't first first time I saw breaking 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:01.440 but DJ Africa Islam I was in seventy six. My 0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:04.680 brother was. My brother was a member of the organization 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:09.400 which became Zulu Nation. Wow, it's before those mighty Zulu Nation. 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:11.640 So it's like when they're talking about Latinos were in there, 0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:15.440 I'm like, my brother was a card carrying member of 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:20.600 the organization. So and then this go Marrio like ko 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.680 hirks peers. If you're talking about those three being the 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:28.880 main three, two out of three a Latino. I know. 0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:31.080 I think I kind of asked this earlier about why 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:35.080 you think they're trying to take that. I think they don't. 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.480 I think they don't understand. Like, like, from my perspective, 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:42.680 everyone in here is my brother, and from a New 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:44.840 York perspective, that's how we rock. And if you grew 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:48.560 up in those areas that have you lived in different communities, 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.320 it's going to be different for them. And a lot 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:53.120 of those different communities that if you have a Latin 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.840 community here and they're that association with the associating with 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:57.800 anything hip hop. There's probably gonna be a lot of 0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:00.800 Latin music there, you know. But at the same time, 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:04.040 we have our own struggles within the Latino community because 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:06.560 if we're not into South Side, if you don't do 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:09.480 a song and you don't drop Spanish in it, that 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:12.960 die hard Latino community isn't going to really see you 0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:16.560 as there as anyway, you probably dropped more props for 0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:20.480 dropping Spanish. Well, that was why I left it originally. Yes, yes, 0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:23.600 trust me, I remember. It changed the game, right, it 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:25.959 changed the game. But I think a lot of people 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:29.040 have a hard time because when you do look at 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:32.640 those early images and there are dark skinned brothers there 0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:35.960 and you don't know there Puerto rican Also, because we 0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:39.360 didn't have to talk about it and then then check 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:41.440 this shit out, then there are people who were Latino 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.600 that didn't know they were Latino. Wow. So Graham makes 0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:47.920 a dst first person to win a Grammy and hip 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:51.959 hop because of what he did with Herbie Hancock on Rocket. 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:55.440 He found out three years ago. He calls me up, 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.040 like your legs, we gotta go to Puerto Rico. I'm like, 0:59:57.080 --> 1:00:01.160 what YO found out? I'm a love. My father's from potted, 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:06.160 Puerto Rico, so that means makes a north from park. Yeah. 1:00:09.520 --> 1:00:11.880 The hard person to win a Grammy and hip hop 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:14.360 is black and Puerto Rican. Got damn makes nor for me? 1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:18.560 Got damn? I think black. Hold, I'm using the bathroom, crip. 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:20.960 I can keep going, keep going if you gotta use 1:00:21.000 --> 1:01:24.880 the bathroom, just H'm using to take that's killer baby normally. 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:27.800 Thank you. That Scotch bourbon Yo. No that No, that's 1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:29.840 some real drinking shit right there. I gotta salute my 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:31.440 hat to you. All right, are we doing quick time 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:37.520 of sign? Right? It's a cool shots light? Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:40.880 fair warning, fair warning, thanks thankfully, I'm in walking distance. Yeah, 1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:44.120 I rope, yes, all you will. Oh you want to go? 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:47.880 You go first? All right. I don't know. I don't 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:51.920 know what you're gonna pick with this one. Oh no, no, 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:55.800 you're explaining on the rush you're gonna give you. I'm 1:01:55.800 --> 1:02:00.440 worried about the slime part. Two choices, two choices. You 1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:03.800 pick one and nobody drinks. You say both are neither 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:06.320 and we're drinking. All of us are drinking. That's it. 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.760 So if you politically correct, as you say, neither or both. 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:11.320 Didn't we drink with you and we drink with you. 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:12.760 We don't leave you out there by yourself. We drink 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:14.720 which okay, we walk away fucked up to. Yeah, he's 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:18.960 saying politically correct and you say both like like for instance, 1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:26.720 right now, fast five Freddy or Ralph McDaniels. Ralph McDaniels. Okay, okay, 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:28.560 you don't have to give an explanation if you don't 1:02:28.560 --> 1:02:33.600 want to. If you want Ralph McDaniels, Oh man, he's 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:42.960 we need both. Yeah, Ralph McDaniels. I mean, he's one 1:02:43.000 --> 1:02:44.640 of the nicest guys you're ever gonna meet in a 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:48.439 hip hop You know, he's a beautiful soul. He he's 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:51.920 authentic hip hop. Even though his platform has been for 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:57.960 rap music, he is well aware and supports everything good 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:01.600 enough for me. You'll have TV raps or video blues 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:05.160 based on his previous answer, yeah, yeah, video music style. 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:13.560 It's a Colombian guy that got it. You got you 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:18.120 got Beach Street or breaking two Beach Street. Okay, all right, 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:26.200 but we really want to say wild style, old style, 1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:31.880 wild style all day. Really, Yeah, we're explaining, Um, it 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:35.520 was more, it was authentic, it was authentic and you 1:03:35.600 --> 1:03:40.680 know those storylines of the Oh no, I'm thinking, okay, 1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:43.840 I'm confusing it with breaking my bad. Uh, there's a 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:48.520 Wild Style. I think that. I think Wild Style is 1:03:48.560 --> 1:03:52.120 the genesis for real hip hop movies, even before Beach 1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:55.680 Street or anything anything else, because everyone Wild Style is 1:03:55.720 --> 1:03:59.919 the first movie to select all of its um cat 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:04.400 as based on actual legitimacy. In the game, there were 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:07.400 no record labels involved, so you were in there because 1:04:07.480 --> 1:04:09.240 you were actually dope. And if you were in in there, 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:12.720 there's probably like some paperwork issues. But everyone there was 1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:15.040 at the top of their game. There was no pen 1:04:15.120 --> 1:04:17.320 It seemed almost like a reality. She was so shot, 1:04:17.440 --> 1:04:19.640 so raw. Yeah, I should have been loving hip Yeah 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:26.880 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Jesus eighties or nineties 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:37.800 hip hop fun. Take a shot. Take a shot. I'll 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:40.120 tell you why. Okay, go ahead, Well, let's take the 1:04:40.160 --> 1:04:41.760 shot first, and then yeah, yeah it take the shot. 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:49.760 Oh eighties is my formative years as as a teenager. Right, 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:52.920 so that's like the soundtrack of your life. That's your 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:55.760 first girlfriend. You graduated with the junior high school in Manhatan. 1:04:56.240 --> 1:04:58.280 Uh No, I went to Yeah, I went to junior 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:00.760 high school Manhatan. That's why I got my name A 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:04.760 girl in wood. She said you got some crazysy too, 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:08.040 and then that's how she said it, right. Yeah, it 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:14.480 was like Rosario, So nineties, I've been you for like 1:05:14.520 --> 1:05:16.400 a month, just so you know, I've just been you. 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:22.600 You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm goad um. Nineties for me, 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:25.760 in my mind is like the jazz era of hip hop, 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:30.440 which is quote unquote the golden era is called well eighties, 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:32.160 late eighties, it's golden well, I mean I think it's 1:05:32.240 --> 1:05:34.320 late eighties going into mid nineties. Yeah, that would be 1:05:34.360 --> 1:05:36.479 the golden era. I didn't know what you mean by jazz, 1:05:36.840 --> 1:05:39.800 by jazz meaning you had talking all that jazz. No, no, no. 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:42.040 So when you look at NAS and you look at 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:46.720 Pete now Pees Little, yeah took Nas, We took on nineties, 1:05:46.760 --> 1:05:51.640 We tooking Tang. Yeah. The production mob d like everything 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:55.480 and and and the lyrical content, yeah was there was 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:59.240 so much diversity from you know, from fight the Power 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:03.160 to fucking to the Daisy Age. You know, so I 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:06.080 like that diversity there. I felt like hip that was 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:13.480 hip hop's best voice in terms of diversity. Yeah, nineties, 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:17.240 nineties fuck the police. Yeah. In terms of style, yeah, 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:21.600 because you have political you had love every ver. Yeah, right, 1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:23.960 because island out there they told my ship we own point. 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:26.320 All right, all right, all right, cool, you got the 1:06:26.400 --> 1:06:32.280 next one. MC lighter Queen Latifa take the shot for 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:35.560 all females across the world yet to pick pick. Trust me, 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:43.400 we need and we need both both. Ye Okay, I 1:06:43.480 --> 1:06:47.280 would say, are you still picking out of there? Yeah, 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:54.320 that's a tough I'd rather not pick. You don't have 1:06:54.480 --> 1:06:57.840 you don't have to toss up. Okay, you go for you. 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:00.680 We drank for you. Yeah, we don't want you to 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:04.520 do that because they buy both. Call you say what 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:07.680 the buck? Now, I'm just playing ahead. We're going windmill 1:07:07.800 --> 1:07:12.200 or head spin wind mill. I'm about to get a 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:15.439 shot for that, because that's all I know. The dude 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:19.640 that's made the wind mail. I'm using you as bragging, right, 1:07:20.200 --> 1:07:23.000 like anybody ever say, I'm not hip hop like I 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:27.960 know the nigga that made the wind mail. All right. 1:07:31.080 --> 1:07:33.600 The next one originally was mad. When we were putting 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:35.440 this in the list, I didn't think they matched up. 1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:37.520 But have you seen the mash up they've been doing 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:41.280 with these guys? Wu Tang or n Wa Wu Tang. 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:45.200 They've been mashing up Wu Tang with Nwa with Wu 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:49.440 Tang beat. Right, it's amazing, but it's crazy because we've 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:51.240 been asking this question for the past couple of months. 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:53.400 We make it all happens crazy. Yeah, I'm going to 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:56.360 Wu Tang all day because it's that. Is that because 1:07:56.520 --> 1:08:00.840 it's the regional thing. Yeah, I'm fucking straight. Right, Yeah, 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:04.080 I'm gonna tell you. I like Nwa though I really 1:08:04.120 --> 1:08:07.960 appreciate them, But I mean I'm also looking at the 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:11.600 decades a body of work, right, you know my thing 1:08:11.800 --> 1:08:15.040 is um, I'm also at East Coaster, so I go 1:08:15.440 --> 1:08:20.200 with Wu Tang. But one thing I always give uh 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:23.440 to in the UA. If you never went to California 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:28.240 before and you heard that first album, you were, they 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:31.880 brung you to California because we just didn't know. I mean, 1:08:32.000 --> 1:08:34.200 I'm like again, I'm younger, Like I didn't know. I 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:40.720 thought California with surfboards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know. 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:47.000 These motherfuckers say your mother, you already had the boy 1:08:47.120 --> 1:08:53.879 came first iced he didn't come out of came up before. Yeah, 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:57.240 I tell you what. They didn't say that in the movie. 1:08:57.600 --> 1:09:00.680 Check this came out first. I'm not Tea before we 1:09:00.760 --> 1:09:02.960 went up and he was a dancer, wasn't he too? Yes? No, 1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:09.280 but no six you said iced Tea, ice C that's 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:13.400 what That's what I but he was already talking about Yeah. Yeah, 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:16.000 that didn't get to me. That got to me. Team 1:09:16.040 --> 1:09:19.240 might have came out too, but I think before Colors, Yes, 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:23.240 king T, But what's I get? What's the d for you? 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:27.840 Like for me? Because I now I'm like getting older 1:09:28.360 --> 1:09:31.280 and like I told you, like I told you, I 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:33.439 must have heard right Because Island first, because when I 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:36.800 heard straight out of Compton, I thought Compton was a jail. 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:39.040 So I was like, I don't want to go to 1:09:39.080 --> 1:09:45.519 the young Yeah, and I'm thinking like like how people 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:47.439 talked about right Because Island at that time, like yeah, 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:52.400 you know you know what I mean. So but getting 1:09:52.400 --> 1:09:54.320 back to my point, Yes, I did hear Iced Tea. 1:09:54.600 --> 1:09:57.920 I wasn't old enough to discipher what you saying. I 1:09:57.960 --> 1:10:00.760 did hear king T, but Nwa was old enough to 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:04.559 say I don't want to go there. Yeah. Their impact 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:06.880 because and I didn't get to see their videos. All 1:10:06.920 --> 1:10:09.479 I got to hear was they vocals their lyrics, so 1:10:09.640 --> 1:10:12.920 it gave me imagination. You know what I'm saying. Like 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:14.599 it's like read a book. You ever read a book 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:17.519 where wherever this book is that you're there. That's how 1:10:17.720 --> 1:10:21.799 Nwa was. That's how I think Nwa honestly, from my perspective, 1:10:21.880 --> 1:10:25.400 my opinion, Nwa was brought an emotion that hip hop 1:10:25.439 --> 1:10:28.000 didn't have before. That I felt like when I had 1:10:28.400 --> 1:10:31.200 you heard all kinds of rapping, like the action like 1:10:31.320 --> 1:10:33.920 Mellie mell was the was the message, and but n 1:10:34.400 --> 1:10:37.880 n w A, you felt that you felt that intimidation 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:41.800 and then p yeah in hand in hand pe But 1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:44.679 but you felt like this intimidation and anger from Nwa 1:10:45.040 --> 1:10:47.760 that you hadn't felt in rap music to that point. 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:52.559 And I felt that that changed everything. Poked the bear. Yeah, okay, 1:10:53.600 --> 1:10:55.479 do we take a shot for this or no? Because 1:10:55.479 --> 1:10:57.519 he picked wolcheck, Let's take a shot. Let's take a 1:10:57.600 --> 1:11:05.120 shot just for uh huh yeah. We we just speak 1:11:06.760 --> 1:11:08.720 yeah yeah yeah, So right right before we were going 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:11.960 on a wild style tour. That's how far back. Just 1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:19.360 make the noise of him flowing so holy shit, I go, yeah, me, 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:21.160 I'm gonna tell you what me. First of all, it 1:11:21.240 --> 1:11:25.280 sounds that some wild Ship Africa Islam. Yeah, Africa much 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:27.880 the first DJ from rock Steady as well, and he's 1:11:27.920 --> 1:11:31.200 an original B boy. But you know, we were all 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:33.960 wild I'm back then, so I go to meet up 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:36.200 at Africa Islam because we're like, all right, we're gonna 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:38.880 get it. We're gonna buy an eight ball, and you 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:41.760 guys were wilding. Oh no, this is only to tell 1:11:41.840 --> 1:11:51.680 on the plane. Oh yeah, yeah, come out. Yeah, I 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:54.320 remember cigarettes in planes. I don't know if I heard 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:57.439 this correct. You just say you had to borrow eight 1:11:57.479 --> 1:12:00.599 ball to set slay it on the plane. The plane, Yeah, 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:03.920 it's thirty people from the hood going on tour. Nobody 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:08.840 got access to anything. It's boy probably the first hip 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:13.160 hop smugglers, right. You know his name is Africa Slam. Yeah, 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:18.559 he used to come out here when when we used 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:20.000 to come out here with DJ raw on them. So 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:21.960 when I went to go pick him up to go 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:25.680 on tour, Iced Tea was staying at his place. So 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:28.679 they are here already. I see. It was already connecting 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:31.200 with the East coast. But yeah, we ended up buying 1:12:31.280 --> 1:12:34.840 like an ounce of weed and the eight ball and 1:12:34.960 --> 1:12:37.519 then we're on the plane and then all of a sudden, 1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:40.439 my man. You know, people smelling weed on the plane, 1:12:40.720 --> 1:12:44.280 smoked weed on plane. Don't tell me you'll smoke yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:46.760 and in the back you just I mean, this is 1:12:46.800 --> 1:12:52.040 a time that cigarettes, you smoke weed. The suction he 1:12:52.200 --> 1:12:55.920 thought worked. And then our managers like, I don't know 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.000 what kind of drugs you guys got on you, but 1:12:58.560 --> 1:13:00.400 you guy, this better do all of them because by 1:13:00.439 --> 1:13:02.719 the time we get to Japan, the police are waiting 1:13:02.760 --> 1:13:06.280 for you on the way Japan. Yeah. Yeah, you know Japan. 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:12.599 Don't play yeah yeah, you get canceled for weed in Japan. 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:17.240 So yeah, so you know we're doing that. And you know, 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:20.000 the only I think, the only sober one was like Bambata. 1:13:20.800 --> 1:13:23.679 You know, everyone's on like acid and blow and weed 1:13:23.880 --> 1:13:28.160 and and now we gotta do it. We gotta consume everything. 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:30.800 Now it sounds like a great flight. Though I ain't 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:35.640 gonna lie to was crazy that I'm not gonna lie. 1:13:35.760 --> 1:13:38.400 I try. I'm trying to sit here and be like, 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:40.960 oh nah. And then I'm sitting here like this sounds great. 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:43.160 The whole back of the plane was a cloud of smoke. 1:13:43.800 --> 1:13:46.439 Holy shit. Yeah, and and and the drinks were free 1:13:46.439 --> 1:13:49.200 back then, yeah. I mean I always go on like 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:51.200 every plane now and then I look at it and 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:53.880 I see this leftover ass tray in there, like it's 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:59.040 a tiny bit of ass like this was used one. Yeah, 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:01.680 I mean a couple of times. You never flew on 1:14:01.720 --> 1:14:04.439 a plane where they were smoking, right, yeah, back in 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:09.240 the day, Yeah, Miami that we we were on japan airlines. 1:14:09.720 --> 1:14:14.280 That's what it was. Yappanese. Yeah, Yappanese on your parents airlines. 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:16.439 And you know I got I actually have all. I 1:14:16.560 --> 1:14:20.160 have a whole bunch of behind the scenes photos from 1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:23.040 all those trips that I've never been public. We're gonna 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:25.439 we're gonna do out what I'm talking to this dude, 1:14:25.479 --> 1:14:28.880 Jeremy Beaver from the National Museum of Hip Hop and DC, 1:14:29.360 --> 1:14:32.639 and we're gonna set up a tour of those photos. 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:38.599 Did y'all here's the national question, Did y'all do drugs 1:14:38.680 --> 1:14:43.040 in Japan? When y'all landed? We found weed? I have 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:45.880 we found weed because I got a picture of Grand 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:49.080 Master of cast holding a bag of weeds. Were smoking 1:14:49.200 --> 1:14:54.240 even back then. Huh yeah, just grand he came here, 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:56.960 smoked the whole his whole episode, whole three out. He 1:14:57.040 --> 1:15:00.800 smoked every run. Yeah, I mean I'm down. Oh you smoke. 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:03.840 I didn't know you smoke. Okay, shit, you know, we 1:15:03.920 --> 1:15:06.599 got joints, and you give me some joints I got yeah, 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:08.080 give them one of those, give the one of notes. 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:12.800 This is what the Yeah, please as much as cash, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:15.080 hell yeah yo. So there, Now, I got to ask 1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:16.880 you this before we go to quick thom slim, before 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:19.360 we go we in it, before we finish it. Hold on, 1:15:19.479 --> 1:15:21.600 let me ask you. Okay, let me get one of 1:15:21.640 --> 1:15:23.040 those two I got one. I got one, I got 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:25.519 one of them. Give him a lighter, give him lighters on. 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:30.800 Thank you. This is an old school questing because all 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:36.120 of y'all started with easy witers. What was the yeah bamboo, 1:15:36.200 --> 1:15:38.599 big bamboo, Yeah, big bamboo. I'm my bad, my bad, 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:42.200 big bamboo and easy waters. Right, when did the transition 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:48.160 from joints to god damn, I expect you got all 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:50.160 right now you brought it? Yes? Where did it go 1:15:50.320 --> 1:15:57.040 from papers? Two joints? Well, the papers were joints back then, 1:15:57.520 --> 1:16:00.479 me from papers and blunts, papers with blunts out, my bad? 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:02.679 You know what I meant? Then? That was with white owls, 1:16:03.040 --> 1:16:07.640 white owls. Yeah, leather. That's like smoking leather's definitely that 1:16:07.760 --> 1:16:12.000 had to be easy early eighties not closer to me. 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:16.080 Uh shit, man, like eighty three eighty three, eighty three, 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:19.840 okay around that. Yeah. I used to get shipped for 1:16:19.880 --> 1:16:21.439 free all the time, So I don't know all of this. 1:16:21.600 --> 1:16:23.720 You said White Owls came before Philly Blunt or was 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:26.639 it Philly Blunt? White owl didn't Dutch Masters, I think 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:31.400 first White House. Yeah, Philly Bloom Moses like everybody would 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:36.240 walk around with Tippo Rilloso. Okay, Tipper Rillos, I remember that. Okay, 1:16:36.280 --> 1:16:39.120 let's fill this quick time. Let's go back. Yea Dougie 1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:43.760 Fresh or Biz Marquis took a shot you dais is 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:46.599 my dude. Man, I love that brother man, so let's 1:16:46.600 --> 1:16:48.080 do a shot for him. Yeah, let's do a shot 1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:50.639 for it anyway. Yeah, yeah, I like that he picked 1:16:50.760 --> 1:16:54.760 but still took a shot. I mean yeah. Biz became 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:57.120 a very good friend of mine, right, and I hooked 1:16:57.160 --> 1:16:59.599 him up with a bunch of archives and we were 1:16:59.640 --> 1:17:02.360 doing it trade. And I found out that he was 1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:05.680 doing trades with everyone, but not trading. Does that mean 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:12.679 archives from everybody? I need that soul sonic for records 1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:17.200 or mixtapes from yeah business, getting everyone's archives of dupes 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:20.519 and then never never hooked up anyone else. You didn't 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:24.880 get the white um cover. But that was dude. All right, 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:34.439 let's go to bust rhymes, a eminem oh buster rhymes, Okay, 1:17:36.400 --> 1:17:41.160 radio or podcasting podcast? God make I'll take the shot 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:43.240 for that. I'm taking a shot for that. You can 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:45.000 say whatever the fuck you want to over here. I'll 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:52.480 take a drink of that. H m hm DMX or tupacetx. 1:17:53.560 --> 1:17:55.040 It seemed like you want to say something about that. 1:17:56.160 --> 1:17:58.160 I was never into tupocket And I know people don't 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:01.479 don't agree with me, but you know, it just wasn't 1:18:01.520 --> 1:18:04.760 my thing. Dmax reminds you of that New York Streets ship, 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:06.680 and I relate to that New York Streets ship the 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:10.120 most right. And you know you ever got to meet Tupac. 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:15.280 I met him once, saying at USA Nightclub and Times 1:18:15.320 --> 1:18:19.320 Square and then we had a fight. There's a big 1:18:19.400 --> 1:18:20.720 fight in the club after that would me and my 1:18:20.840 --> 1:18:23.320 boys and no, no, no, I met him. Then I 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:25.759 went downstairs and got into a fight against mop Tops. 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:29.519 You know, he leade for us boot stretching all of those. 1:18:29.720 --> 1:18:31.400 We had a big fight with them. Then I had 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:34.880 to fight with the bouncers. It was crazy. You're glad 1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:39.040 you calmed down, sir. Yeah, yeah, I mean whatever. Well, 1:18:39.080 --> 1:18:42.200 rest in peace to both of them. Yes, Tupac, Yes, legends, 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:46.160 slick Rick or rock him to take a shot, sir, 1:18:49.320 --> 1:18:53.200 rock him. Let's stop it telling them to take shots. 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:55.240 We got a little manser. I just don't be oneing, 1:18:55.320 --> 1:18:57.560 you know, I know everybody got a personal relationship. And 1:18:57.880 --> 1:18:59.639 I rocked him because he made a lot of beats 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:01.639 that I can dance too as well. I was into 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:04.920 his lyricism, like you know, I really I already knew 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:08.200 about storytelling from Graham Massa has so that was already 1:19:08.280 --> 1:19:12.120 part of hip hop. Who him And at a certain 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:14.720 point in my life, I was a five percenter. So 1:19:15.120 --> 1:19:17.040 you never stopped being a five percenter unless you start 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:19.599 eating port Still I still don't eat Park, Okay, then 1:19:19.600 --> 1:19:23.880 you're still a popercenter. Go so um I when he 1:19:24.040 --> 1:19:26.280 was spitting that, it's kind of like when WU Tank 1:19:26.360 --> 1:19:28.439 spitch shit and you walked you You were on the 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:30.880 country when they first came out, you know, most of 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:33.160 the country didn't know what the fuck brand Nubian Wu 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:35.679 Tang or Rock Him were talking about when they started 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:39.920 spitting knowledge. You know. So I always found it funny 1:19:39.960 --> 1:19:43.840 one when white people would recite certain things like yo, no, 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:49.320 they had no idea, they had no idea. Okay, kras 1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:59.240 one a Cougi rap. That's a good one. And I'm 1:19:59.280 --> 1:20:01.680 gonna say, I'm you know what you gotta say. I'm 1:20:01.680 --> 1:20:04.120 gonna take Cougie Rap. No, your face is said, let 1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:06.960 me take both. Okay, I'm gonna say Coogie Rap Okay. 1:20:07.200 --> 1:20:10.880 And that's because you can't lead the witness. And this 1:20:11.040 --> 1:20:13.400 is like my whole fucking ghetto trauma of hanging out 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:18.080 with people who are wild, like I can relate based 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:21.120 on like all the people that died around me, and 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:23.920 I've been into dirt. What Cougie Rapp is talking about, 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:30.600 I mean, caress one is the remedy for that. M So, 1:20:30.680 --> 1:20:33.840 who did you pick? Cougie Rap? Okay, your Colombias and 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:35.960 Dominican of publics, you have distracted? Yea, bro, come on, 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:38.000 I'm talking guys, I talking about which one of you 1:20:38.360 --> 1:20:42.679 talking about? Come on, get some work distracted you're messing 1:20:42.760 --> 1:20:49.080 us up. Okay, m oh whoa Okay, got it big 1:20:49.200 --> 1:20:54.479 Daddy King or coo J taking a shot. Take a shot. 1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:56.240 You gotta take a shot. You gotta shot so that 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:59.360 drink don't count. You gotta take a shot. He has one, Okay, 1:20:59.400 --> 1:21:01.320 he has one. Right, Look it's a little, it's a little. Yeah. 1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:08.559 Here's the thing. I would have said, Big Daddy Kaneyo, guys, 1:21:09.320 --> 1:21:12.280 I would have said Big Daddy Kane. I'm sorry, I um. 1:21:13.240 --> 1:21:16.280 I would have said big Daddy came. But what sealed 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:18.960 the deal for me where llo cooj is that when 1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:21.559 Red Alert was DJ and that big CD big City 1:21:21.640 --> 1:21:25.160 Diner on Eleventh Avenue in Manhattan, I think he was 1:21:25.200 --> 1:21:29.439 doing the party red Rum and uh Ll show it 1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:31.880 up and he got on the mic. He just rocked 1:21:31.920 --> 1:21:36.000 off of breakbeats and he spent rhymes that were not 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:39.800 on his records, and he just I was like, oh shit, 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:42.080 like that's what I respect. And that's when I grew 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:45.240 up on So when I saw Ll spitting like straight 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:48.920 up fire, like I'm gonna just fucking burn his mic 1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:51.519 and dropping him bounced, he did that ship and that's 1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:55.559 when I was just like, Yeah, jip beyond records. Both 1:21:55.680 --> 1:22:02.160 legends when Yeah Disco Fever or the sound factory, just 1:22:02.320 --> 1:22:05.680 go fever because I was lucky enough to get up 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:09.120 in there, and I knew I was too young to 1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:17.519 even being there sixteen. I went in there at uh yeah, sixteen, 1:22:18.160 --> 1:22:22.080 fifteen to sixteen. Did you know you were living history 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:25.000 when you was? Nah? Man, he was wild. We didn't 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:28.599 appreciated about it at all. Say that before I heard 1:22:28.640 --> 1:22:32.360 you say that you weren't even living in the moment, 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:35.320 like you didn't. You didn't appreciate like anything that you 1:22:35.400 --> 1:22:37.080 kind of was going. No, we didn't. So when we 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:40.559 would go to places, first time we went to France, 1:22:42.200 --> 1:22:43.599 like hey, we want to take you to go see 1:22:43.720 --> 1:22:45.800 a town, We're like, nah, take us to the hood, 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:49.040 you know, and the hood over there, it's like it's Ethiopian, 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:55.320 is Turkish, it's rocking, it's yeah. Yeah, So that's what 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:58.360 we felt comfortable. We didn't feel comfortable doing all those 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:00.880 things that I feel like, I'm lucky to have had 1:23:00.880 --> 1:23:04.160 a second chance because it would have been nice to 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:06.800 have done some of those things. But you know, you 1:23:06.920 --> 1:23:09.519 grew up in the Bronx and you're not cultured, and 1:23:09.600 --> 1:23:12.439 it's a maturity thing too. I'm sure you were. It's 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:16.519 crazy because yeah, it's crazy because I swear to guard 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:19.160 me and my uncle Wise and my first two or 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:21.920 three tours around like kind of like the world. We 1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:25.360 we we were making it our point not to take pictures. 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:28.160 Well that was that was the error. That was the error. 1:23:28.200 --> 1:23:30.840 That error. Look shit that we back. Remember when we 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:34.519 did the magazine. We don't got pictures. We could even 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:41.840 believe us our memories. I can fix that shit. Yeah, crazy, yeah, 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:45.200 make it up. Goddamn the flyers. We could ask chat 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:48.080 gpt the history. Yeah, when when was hip hop started? 1:23:48.760 --> 1:23:54.519 See what that cross references? Holy shit? All right, Biggie 1:23:54.680 --> 1:24:04.200 or Big L music, Biggie friendship big out. That sounds 1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:06.120 like a shot to me. You had a relationship with 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:10.000 big Yeah, that's no, no, no shot, Drake. Come on, 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:11.920 this is drink. Can I let you cheat? That's come on, 1:24:12.000 --> 1:24:14.400 let's go shot little stot, Little you deserve your flowers. 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:18.960 Shout out, big out, big out. It was funny man. 1:24:19.000 --> 1:24:20.800 The rest of when the first time, first time I 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:23.599 hung out with him, he tell me some fucking wild story, Like, yo, man, 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:26.880 you know what tea bagging is? Oh shit, that's when 1:24:26.960 --> 1:24:29.560 the girls laying down and you drop your balls in 1:24:29.720 --> 1:24:36.960 her mouth. Like, Yo, this motherfucker is funny. I mean 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:41.519 his lyrics. No, yeah, I think he signed some point. 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:44.760 I mean, when you meet somebody and he's talking to 1:24:44.800 --> 1:24:48.160 you about tea bag, he would say crazy. Yeah. Yeah. 1:24:50.400 --> 1:24:52.679 So that's like the first couple of words he said 1:24:52.720 --> 1:24:54.519 to you. He just man, that's what he was wild, 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:59.320 Like he said, nice to meet you all that, but 1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:02.200 know I fuel because you know I grew up y'all 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:07.040 always cracking jokes like that was amazing. Cool. Now, every 1:25:07.080 --> 1:25:15.160 time I think about me and a big I love, 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:18.040 I love. Yes, the girl picked me up. It was crazy. Um. 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:21.400 Before he passed away, he was like he was like 1:25:21.439 --> 1:25:24.040 he was gonna change his style, but he listened to me, 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:27.880 Cameron and DMX and because of that, he just stayed 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:30.560 everything nice. Yeah yeah. So and it was like I 1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:32.400 was like, I didn't even know he knew who I was. 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:35.439 So that's always one of the biggest columns. And I 1:25:35.479 --> 1:25:38.360 feel he was one of the illest lyricists at that time. Yes, 1:25:38.520 --> 1:25:40.120 and and then you know he was there was the 1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:41.920 whole thing that he was going to sign the Rockefeller 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:44.240 I think if that would have happened and he would 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:47.920 have been here, and that's the whole thing. Also him 1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:51.000 signing with with Sony with like with nas like. I 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:53.080 believe that he would make a choice because bigger he 1:25:53.120 --> 1:25:56.400 was on Columbia. Yeah, I said Sony, but yeah, it 1:25:56.760 --> 1:25:59.559 was all it was a oh yeah, that's yeah, that's why. Yeah, 1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:05.040 thank correcting that. Okay, a rock shot or the real 1:26:05.160 --> 1:26:14.439 rock say taking a shot? Damn yeah, I can't just 1:26:16.520 --> 1:26:20.920 I don't you know, heard her thing? There's so few 1:26:21.520 --> 1:26:24.479 female representations to take any of them down. Ain't cool. 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:30.960 That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. Right, Oh, 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:34.800 this is a good one. Got a cold crush? Oh 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:40.519 thanks crush you Nah, I don't matter. I'm cold crush 1:26:40.640 --> 1:26:44.720 all day? Why why? Because that was all right? So 1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:46.720 I knew it was first five the other one I 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:48.760 know you didn't matter now don't matter because I knew 1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:51.760 co Crush before cast was in Cold Crush. Damn damn. 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:55.720 So the original co Crush Brothers was It was Charlie Chase, 1:26:56.640 --> 1:27:00.240 a Little Black, Teddy, ted Missus, t Bone, Cisco Kid 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:03.240 and Easy a D with that with Tony Tone and 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:07.040 Charlie Chase. That's the first actual hip hop tate rap 1:27:07.360 --> 1:27:10.840 Tate I heard. So that's what got me into it 1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:15.759 fully co Yeah, and then you know, then Coquest became 1:27:16.040 --> 1:27:20.560 like co Curus embodied battling. You know. So everything that 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:24.880 I was as a B boy, co Crush was the 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:29.439 top tier in the rap game. Sounds good to me. 1:27:30.439 --> 1:27:39.840 A tropical Quest or brand Nubian. And that's that. We 1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:45.439 were talking like that because it's like, here's a funny thing. Okay, 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:51.920 here's my here's my inner conflict. I've had issues with 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:59.080 members of both crews. What words yea with Quest, don't 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:04.479 tell me his wife five my dog piece? No, Jerobe, 1:28:04.520 --> 1:28:11.479 I love Jerobi. Yeah. So I wanted to book Q 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:15.559 tip for something and I wasn't asking for a discount 1:28:16.520 --> 1:28:19.200 and he was kind of like treating it like I was, 1:28:20.120 --> 1:28:23.600 and it was giving me to run around and was 1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:27.080 it time he was dating? I'm Janet Jackson. Uh No, 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:29.599 this is maybe like seven five years ago, five six 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:32.080 years ago so now, but this is after Viber now 1:28:32.120 --> 1:28:34.240 that I think about it, five years ago, yea after 1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:36.640 so all right, So here's the thing. So we have 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:39.479 a back and forth and I'm like, I don't know 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:41.840 who fuck this motherfucker think he's talking to right now. 1:28:42.600 --> 1:28:45.280 And it's like I goof around and I could play 1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:47.080 and all that stuff. But I could become a different 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:50.439 person if I have to. So this is yeah, yeah, 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:54.679 so well it was a different We talked on phone, 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:57.200 but he was banging his chest a little something while 1:28:57.240 --> 1:29:01.040 he was on tax and I'm thinking, like, I don't know, 1:29:01.240 --> 1:29:04.599 he's confused right now, like he's talking to the wrong dude, 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:08.200 because and I said, you know what, my dude, you 1:29:08.360 --> 1:29:11.560 do you fuck you? And by the way, when you 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:14.560 had that beef with rex and effects and all that, 1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:18.200 all that all that hardware was waiting outside in case 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:20.720 something jumped off. I'm the one that supplied that shit 1:29:20.800 --> 1:29:26.720 for you. Yeah, yeah, so that's why. But then I 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:29.920 love his music, you know. So and then you know, 1:29:30.000 --> 1:29:32.720 Lord Jamara with the whole trying to separate black and 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:34.600 lat you know, as I'm not with that shit, you know. 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:37.400 But then I love you know, I have an affinity 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:41.320 to the gods. Wait, I thought Lord Jamar, I mean 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:48.760 I Lard Jamara. Um, it was Lord jam People are guests. No, no, no, 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:51.800 he said Puerto Ricans are guests in headline? Did he 1:29:51.880 --> 1:29:53.680 say that? Yeah. I spoke with him. I spoke with 1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:57.320 him on the phone and and uh. He started to 1:29:57.320 --> 1:29:58.920 get a little live with me on the phone. I'm like, yo, 1:29:59.040 --> 1:30:01.320 my dude, Like again, I don't know who the fuck 1:30:01.400 --> 1:30:03.760 you think you're talking to, but I'm not the one, 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:07.160 like what's up? And then you know, we get to 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:11.120 the question of like yo, I asked him, like, all right, well, 1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:13.840 if you think we're a guess how long did it 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:17.120 take to create hip hop before we got in because 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:19.960 now you have to deal with actual facts and timelines. 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:22.040 And they's like, oh, yo, I gotta go get my kids, 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:24.280 Like I'll call you right back. And he never called 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:27.479 me back. But you know, to me, I only make 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:29.760 those calls and I don't do it online because that's 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:32.040 some bullshit. I called them up. You know, we hit 1:30:32.080 --> 1:30:34.680 each other up directly. I'm like, you know, because I 1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:37.439 want to make sure that we're not contributing to the 1:30:37.520 --> 1:30:40.280 division of black and Latino people when we need to, 1:30:40.360 --> 1:30:43.880 we're we're stronger. It's like, it's like this, somebody told me, 1:30:44.000 --> 1:30:46.920 because we have our own ship within Puerto Rico. Someone 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:50.559 said on a panel, They're like, yo, Puerto Ricans need 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:53.600 to decide whether they want to be three million on 1:30:53.720 --> 1:30:57.560 the island, five million elsewhere, or eight million together. So 1:30:57.800 --> 1:31:00.760 for me with black and Latin, you know, I'm like, yeo, 1:31:00.840 --> 1:31:05.439 let's sayings together because we got the same struggles, you know, 1:31:05.560 --> 1:31:06.960 and at the end of the day, we all know 1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:09.840 that dividing conquer is the place. Yeah, and I think 1:31:09.880 --> 1:31:12.080 the problem, Yeah, the problem is that a lot of 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:15.960 fair skinned people, whether they're light skinned Black or light 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:19.280 skin Puerto Rican, they start playing that car and that's 1:31:19.320 --> 1:31:21.519 where it becomes difficult for us because they want an 1:31:21.560 --> 1:31:24.840 easy path. So you know, yeah, I don't know how 1:31:24.880 --> 1:31:29.960 the funk I got to that because brand Nubian out, 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:36.559 but yeah, man's I got love for both of them. 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:39.519 But I think that's we We all have inner family 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:43.519 conflict within hip hop. So I don't think you picked either. Yeah, 1:31:43.600 --> 1:31:51.080 I know. Yeah, yeah to the Rex and effect, for 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:55.439 I kind of want to hear this. Okay, So we 1:31:55.520 --> 1:31:58.080 know the story, you know, the beef and the first 1:31:58.600 --> 1:32:06.200 first story was back exactly so bo Bo that's the 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:09.080 big homie. Yeah, so Bo that was my dude, and 1:32:09.760 --> 1:32:16.240 we had um some transactions going on, and uh, he 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:18.680 was just like, Yo, we're gonna do this thing at 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:20.080 the mosque, but we don't know how it's going to 1:32:20.200 --> 1:32:25.479 happen and we need we need some weight, and I'm like, 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:27.880 all right, I got you covered. So we made sure 1:32:28.000 --> 1:32:31.200 that a lot of the whale wells around the mosque 1:32:31.200 --> 1:32:34.400 were this is when they were gonna squash it, or 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:35.880 this is when he was when they were gonna squash it. 1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:37.800 But we didn't know what was gonna happen, but we 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:39.920 had to be prepared. And it was one of us 1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:45.760 was from Harlem, right slash Virginia and yeah, so we 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:47.639 had to make sure that you remember what they beef 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:53.160 was about. Yeah, it was hardcore rapp that new Jackson 1:32:53.400 --> 1:32:56.479 said it in the right. It's some immature bullshit. It was. 1:32:56.560 --> 1:33:00.560 It was pity everyone was young, but um at that 1:33:00.720 --> 1:33:05.360 time that happened to be have access to certain things 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:08.519 and it was my little side hustle in between jobs. 1:33:09.040 --> 1:33:15.120 Haven't hammers huh yeah? Yeah yeah and distribution and yeah, 1:33:15.320 --> 1:33:18.479 so I just supplied what needed to be there and 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:23.040 make sure that yeah, down I was back in qute. 1:33:23.080 --> 1:33:27.960 Tipp was hardcore bro, but he never knew. Like again, 1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:30.320 I don't talk like now we could talk because it's 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:35.759 like like I would pass childhood bullshit. Seven had nothing happened. 1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:38.760 It's like seven years. This is we told about thirty years. Yeah, yeah, no, 1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:42.280 but there's no statutory on murder. No, no, we can't 1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:45.599 talk about that. Yeah, thank nothing happened. Yeah no, exactly. 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:47.800 Nothing happened, thankfully because at the end of the day, 1:33:48.000 --> 1:33:50.680 for you and for hip hop, yeah exactly, because that 1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:53.360 would have been bad for everybody, everybody. But you know, 1:33:53.479 --> 1:33:55.560 to me, I just felt like, yo, qute tip just 1:33:55.600 --> 1:33:57.519 say yes or no. You don't have to string me 1:33:57.560 --> 1:34:01.840 along like and don't talk down to me. Especially you 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:05.240 don't even know that I fucking had your back and 1:34:05.320 --> 1:34:07.280 you didn't. I never even threw that at your face 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:09.759 to let you know that I was the one taking 1:34:09.800 --> 1:34:13.040 care of everything. I mean, maybe it was a miscommunication 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:16.080 with you guys on the day. I mean, I'm trying 1:34:16.120 --> 1:34:28.519 to benefit all cute tip man's act. Hey, here's the 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:30.680 thing I think, but you got to work it out. 1:34:31.120 --> 1:34:33.840 Yeah yeah, but but but somebody should never underestimate the 1:34:33.920 --> 1:34:36.720 power of a person in front of you. You know. 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:42.280 And I may she'll be cool or whatever, but if 1:34:42.320 --> 1:34:44.679 my back's up against the one, I have to flex. Yeah. 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:48.320 I have the means, But I also don't hang out 1:34:48.320 --> 1:34:52.080 with certain people because I know that if I have 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:55.599 an issue, they want to accelerate shit to the worst level. 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:57.519 And I'm like, I had to stop hanging out with 1:34:57.520 --> 1:34:59.400 a lot of people that would ride or die for 1:34:59.520 --> 1:35:02.400 me like that because that should will get me killed. Right, 1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:07.360 Let's stay positive energy. Yeah, I'm more about helping people, 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:15.160 pushing hip hop and yeah, let me tell you. Yeah, 1:35:15.840 --> 1:35:18.639 here's the thing you do not understand. Number one, I'm 1:35:18.640 --> 1:35:21.439 proud of you guys because thank you. You know, not 1:35:21.600 --> 1:35:24.680 many people can maintain that relevance this long, that this 1:35:24.880 --> 1:35:29.240 game and giving it to our heroes. Yeah. Yeah, and 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:31.280 it's just hold on, let me just stop you for 1:35:31.360 --> 1:35:32.800 one second. I don't mean to make it's about you, 1:35:33.200 --> 1:35:37.880 but you're a hero. Thank you, like um all the 1:35:38.000 --> 1:35:42.040 things that hip hop has received a black eye for 1:35:42.160 --> 1:35:48.479 a long time. Yeah, and sometimes I won't fall absolutely Okay, Yeah, 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:51.160 I know I know the dumb shit that I've done 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:55.120 in my life. Right, Okay, let's finish quick time A 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:57.400 slim well he was saying, he was talking, Okay, let's talk. 1:35:57.680 --> 1:36:01.439 I forgot I got love for both of them were 1:36:01.479 --> 1:36:10.280 already trained. Okay, yes, New Jack City or Juice, uh 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:14.519 New Jack City. Okay, you don't need to explain unless 1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:16.439 you want to. No, I just didn't like the fucking 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:18.760 last line of juice. I'm like, well, you got the 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:25.800 juice now, because you remember when that word came that work. Yeah, 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:32.320 it was. This was corny the way they used the way. 1:36:32.479 --> 1:36:34.599 But I mean, juice is a great mean you listen 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:42.360 to that and then you hit rock Kim's Sake the juice. Okay, Um, 1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:45.519 this one. I don't know where you're gonna go with 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:47.479 this one. You're saying it, yeah, I gotta go. I 1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:54.000 gotta say this one. Nas or jay z Nas I've 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:56.320 I bought and and those are two of my top 1:36:56.439 --> 1:37:00.960 all time MC's. But there's no other M in every 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:05.400 form that I bought more than Illmatic and what you 1:37:05.520 --> 1:37:11.519 meaning form from CD, VINLS, TD to everything. Yeah, because 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:14.719 you know I DJ also, so that means your records 1:37:14.760 --> 1:37:18.040 getting sucked up, stolen or whatever, and you know you 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:22.600 gotta have that allomatic. Your alomatic saved my life. I 1:37:22.680 --> 1:37:25.599 gotta do. Yes, you gotta do that vinyl or tape 1:37:26.920 --> 1:37:31.800 vinyl or tape NL. And that's the ef An answer too. 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:33.160 I think you take a shot just for that. Just 1:37:33.240 --> 1:37:36.840 you relax, relaxed, relax. The next one is a good 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:40.439 one for me. Kick Capri or red Alert, Red Alert. Okay, 1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:43.479 I know Kick Capri before he blew up. I know 1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:46.160 him from the nineteen eighty when he used to hang 1:37:46.240 --> 1:37:49.280 out with this other crew over on the Upper West Side. 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:54.400 So yeah, I knew him before his fifty stallion at 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:56.880 that time. No, he was you know, he happened to 1:37:58.280 --> 1:38:00.400 I don't want to get him something. He used to 1:38:00.479 --> 1:38:03.559 hang around with this group called the Shamrock Crew. Uh. 1:38:03.600 --> 1:38:06.040 And it's funny. Shit is that they're fucking Shamrock Crew 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:09.800 but they're all black. I didn't get that right. Yeah, 1:38:12.520 --> 1:38:14.600 I'm gonna tell you a funny stories. So we're in 1:38:14.680 --> 1:38:17.360 a Zulo meeting one day and this brother walks in. 1:38:17.520 --> 1:38:20.680 It's like a recruitment day, and you know, we bug out. 1:38:20.720 --> 1:38:23.200 We're all stupid. But you know, if somebody say something 1:38:23.280 --> 1:38:26.599 funny or or something to make you think you're gonna 1:38:26.640 --> 1:38:29.200 say something. So say you had the Zulu meeting, Zulu 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:33.559 Meeting and bron day in the nineties, recruitment day. Yeah. Yeah, 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:36.200 So this dude, there was this one crew that comes 1:38:36.240 --> 1:38:39.479 in and they will all put Puerto Rican and they're like, 1:38:39.960 --> 1:38:43.320 we'll called the lepre couns, and Bambada's like, okay, well, 1:38:43.840 --> 1:38:45.720 if you're gonna call your selves out of what you 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:48.120 are culturally, why are you calling yourself like that, like 1:38:48.479 --> 1:38:51.760 you're like lucky Charms or what it was your deal? 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:54.960 And then this other brother, he was super dark skinned 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:59.839 Ethiopian style, and this motherfucker says, yeah, my name is Spook, 1:39:00.680 --> 1:39:09.719 and we're like this, like yeah, what the fuck? Oh 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:16.519 my god? Oh yeah, oh Baky has kicked. All right, 1:39:16.680 --> 1:39:19.960 let's put critize. We want to talk about. Okay, guy, 1:39:20.160 --> 1:39:23.439 Studio fifty four, Land Quarters, Latin Quarter. Yeah, I've never 1:39:23.560 --> 1:39:26.599 been there, but I did perform at Studio fifty four 1:39:26.720 --> 1:39:29.280 in nineteen eighty or eighty one. But you said you've 1:39:29.280 --> 1:39:31.720 never been to where like quarter, never went to lan 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:34.840 Queener Pickie land Quarter. Yeah, because that's a significant hit, 1:39:35.240 --> 1:39:38.880 legendary right right right? Yeah, I respected that. Yeah, Okay, 1:39:39.479 --> 1:39:41.880 you want to do take this so me and yeah, 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:44.320 and you always say that this is the only one 1:39:44.960 --> 1:39:47.479 that everyone should kind of take a shot for because 1:39:47.560 --> 1:39:50.120 we believe one goes with the other. But it doesn't matter. 1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:57.240 You can do whatever your it's loyalty or respect, oh, loyalty. 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:04.000 Loyalty is the definition of respect. We agree. Yeah, that's 1:40:04.040 --> 1:40:10.800 why we're taking a shot for that. Yeah. Yeah, that's 1:40:10.840 --> 1:40:12.200 not why we're taking a shot for We're just taking 1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:18.240 a shot. You wanted to elaborate on that, like, why 1:40:18.360 --> 1:40:25.240 is loyal to the definition of respect? Um, you can 1:40:25.320 --> 1:40:28.559 still respect someone fuck up on them, but you can 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:32.439 still be loyal to them. You know. I could fuck 1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:35.519 up on you, could be whatever's going on in my 1:40:35.560 --> 1:40:42.040 own head. Yeah, but intent is everything. I don't intentionally 1:40:42.160 --> 1:40:45.000 mean that ship And at the end of the day, 1:40:45.720 --> 1:40:48.880 we could be at odds. But if we have a 1:40:48.920 --> 1:40:51.600 certain amount of history between us, when you're at your 1:40:51.640 --> 1:40:54.120 worst moment, I'll be there for you no matter what. 1:40:54.720 --> 1:41:01.800 I expect that. Yeah, I'm that dude. Let me ask you, 1:41:02.160 --> 1:41:10.360 when you've traveled internationally battling, what country has been the biggest, like, 1:41:11.320 --> 1:41:14.080 you know, the biggest headache and battle, like who who 1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:17.160 really was a force to reckon with internationally? Here's the thing, 1:41:17.280 --> 1:41:19.840 like a big battles, international battles and all that stuff. 1:41:19.840 --> 1:41:23.120 I've never really had to do. Um, But what I 1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:26.040 recognized is what other people bring to the game. And 1:41:26.439 --> 1:41:29.599 a while back, I went to Russia to this place 1:41:29.720 --> 1:41:33.160 that's close to the border of Kazakhstan and was born 1:41:33.160 --> 1:41:37.880 back there, so he was battling. And here's the thing. 1:41:38.439 --> 1:41:42.080 All these little white kids are like the best dances 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:45.439 in the house. They got fucking mad, soul flavored rhythm, 1:41:45.840 --> 1:41:47.920 and I'm thinking, like, what kind of pain did these 1:41:48.040 --> 1:41:51.200 motherfuckers go through? Right, you know? And then they told 1:41:51.240 --> 1:41:53.320 me that they were from like a war torn area, 1:41:54.479 --> 1:41:58.840 and yeah, so so what growing up the way I 1:41:58.880 --> 1:42:01.320 grew up and all of our it's around us. I 1:42:01.520 --> 1:42:03.760 was like, yeah, I get it, Like I can see 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:06.720 like like when like either you have I feel like 1:42:06.760 --> 1:42:09.600 either you have soul or you don't, or you just 1:42:09.720 --> 1:42:12.920 haven't found your lane yet. But when you see people 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:16.519 who are dancing and that it's not theatric it's just 1:42:16.680 --> 1:42:20.280 the real pain that they show, I think that's dope 1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:23.639 and I can relate to that. So it was there, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:42:24.040 --> 1:42:26.280 And you know, sometimes I feel like you could be 1:42:26.439 --> 1:42:31.400 like the dopest visually dynamic person, but if I could 1:42:31.479 --> 1:42:35.720 walk away feeling your emotion as you're rocking out, that's 1:42:35.800 --> 1:42:39.960 more important to me because I'll remember that more and 1:42:40.160 --> 1:42:42.840 I'll never forget those kids now, Like I'm bringing it 1:42:42.960 --> 1:42:46.040 up now, I don't know they've never met them, but 1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:50.840 they left an impression of soul in me and that 1:42:51.000 --> 1:42:52.760 was better than any meals like in that part of 1:42:52.800 --> 1:42:54.880 the world. And I and we we've talked about this 1:42:54.960 --> 1:42:59.200 story several times, like they really fight to have hip 1:42:59.240 --> 1:43:02.280 hop in their lives because we went nothing else, like 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:04.559 we had nothing. We went to Russia and the people 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:06.880 that brought us out work were called hip hops, you know, 1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:12.800 Russians against racists, like they were bro and then they 1:43:12.880 --> 1:43:16.240 had they had they had the buttons. It actually star yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:21.280 And I've had interesting experiences in Russia. No, Russia's hard. 1:43:21.680 --> 1:43:24.320 I was brought out there by by Lola Card. Oh, 1:43:24.560 --> 1:43:27.559 which is what Ola Card. The people that run ship 1:43:27.880 --> 1:43:31.719 the richest motherfucker the un likes people like the people 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:34.200 that that's yeah, these are like the richest people. And 1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:38.240 when you're talking about power, these people can just like 1:43:38.920 --> 1:43:40.479 open up a bank in the middle of the night, 1:43:41.479 --> 1:43:44.439 that kind of power. Yeah, so I got to do it. 1:43:45.160 --> 1:43:48.560 Russia is an interest. It was good financially good, but 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:55.000 we didn't we didn't enjoy ourselves. No, we went to 1:43:55.080 --> 1:43:58.519 the clubbing man has key masks. Let me connect you. 1:43:58.640 --> 1:44:03.479 Then I got the blood. We got the heat phase. 1:44:03.920 --> 1:44:08.080 I want to go, well, after they stopped fucking warring. Yeah, 1:44:08.439 --> 1:44:10.599 you know the Russian people, Funny and the one who 1:44:10.680 --> 1:44:13.800 made this right here, he also used to be a 1:44:13.840 --> 1:44:16.680 stick up kid too. Goddamnit, he's throwing you under the bus. 1:44:18.120 --> 1:44:20.960 This motherfucker used to walk walking around with a big 1:44:21.000 --> 1:44:29.639 ass blade corporate. Yeah no, and Sunny didn't murder yesterday. 1:44:29.760 --> 1:44:33.559 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah nah. But you know, I think 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:36.599 number one. I don't know if you ever heard anyone, 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:39.280 but you know, we actually used to go sticking up 1:44:39.320 --> 1:44:46.400 with your brother too, wow with with Hey, I'm gonna 1:44:46.439 --> 1:44:48.320 tell you how dumb ship was back then, since we 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:51.920 were so young and and I'm not gonna throw their 1:44:52.000 --> 1:44:53.720 names out there, but there was these two kids that 1:44:53.760 --> 1:44:56.840 we stuck up outside of a graffiti like now an 1:44:56.920 --> 1:44:59.719 art supply store. They had just they had just stolen 1:44:59.760 --> 1:45:02.720 away whatever they stolen, and then we robbed them, and 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:04.760 then a week later they became part of my crew. 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:13.479 Makes sense. Weird shit, but let's get let's get to 1:45:13.560 --> 1:45:16.400 this story right to New York City Breakers. They were 1:45:16.439 --> 1:45:20.559 originally floor masters. Yes, and you hand picked the floor 1:45:20.640 --> 1:45:24.280 masters because according to their story, I believe this is 1:45:24.320 --> 1:45:30.200 their story. Their story is convenient, but their story was 1:45:31.120 --> 1:45:34.280 you guys picked them because you thought that y'all could 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:37.479 beat them. Now. So we had this show coming up 1:45:37.520 --> 1:45:40.160 in the Grill nightclub and that was like nineteen eighty two, 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:44.679 and we were tired of doing shows where we would 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:48.120 perform a battle y'all against each other each other, yes, 1:45:48.520 --> 1:45:51.080 and we knew we had these little rivalries in the city, 1:45:51.240 --> 1:45:53.200 like New York City Breakers, some of them we all 1:45:53.240 --> 1:45:55.400 went well, some of us went to Kennedy High School. 1:45:56.160 --> 1:45:58.200 And I was just like, y'all, you know, the same 1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:02.400 way I selected Dynamic Rockers, which got them into Star Wars. 1:46:02.439 --> 1:46:04.880 I selected New York City Breakers because it's like, yo, 1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:09.720 let's have a real battle, right, And that's how And 1:46:10.000 --> 1:46:13.479 then it's funny thing is that Michael Holman who became 1:46:13.560 --> 1:46:17.000 that manager. He asked us that same night, like hey, 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:20.600 I want to be a manager, and like like as me, 1:46:20.760 --> 1:46:25.280 Frosty Freeze and take one and again like arrogant, ignorant motherfuckers. 1:46:25.360 --> 1:46:27.320 We're like laughing in his face, like nah, I get 1:46:27.360 --> 1:46:30.960 the fuck out of here. No, hell no, And he 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:34.720 ended up meeting Floor Masters that night, and that's how 1:46:34.760 --> 1:46:37.559 they became New York City Breakers because he started managing them. 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:43.200 So floor Masters floor Masters became New York City Breakers. Yeah, 1:46:44.360 --> 1:46:46.320 did they have other I swear there was floor Masters 1:46:46.320 --> 1:46:48.160 out here in Miami. No, it may have been a 1:46:48.200 --> 1:46:50.880 different crew, Okay, yeah, but they didn't have chapters Flora 1:46:50.920 --> 1:46:59.000 floor Flora floor floor floor. You know flow who from 1:46:59.000 --> 1:47:03.560 the commercial she gives you so but I'll tell you 1:47:03.600 --> 1:47:06.439 a wild story just to your show. One day, we 1:47:06.560 --> 1:47:11.400 go to dance Cteria, right, and we go on a 1:47:11.560 --> 1:47:14.200 night that isn't our night. And this is a place 1:47:14.240 --> 1:47:16.240 where you mean, isn't our night? Like like like we 1:47:16.400 --> 1:47:18.519 had like that party that went from the grill went 1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:21.200 to danceteria. It was called Wheels of Steel, and yeah, 1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:23.439 would have from Tuesday or thursdays. It would be on 1:47:23.560 --> 1:47:27.600 like Wednesday, Wednesdays. Because then it turned the name of 1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:31.800 the party was Wheels is still Wednesday, Okay. And so 1:47:31.960 --> 1:47:34.040 we go on a different day. I'm like, hey, you 1:47:34.120 --> 1:47:38.040 know the guy's guy who's a legendary dorman, uh danceteria. 1:47:38.080 --> 1:47:41.280 Here we ended up being like the guy at the Palladium. 1:47:42.120 --> 1:47:44.920 Um like hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 1:47:45.000 --> 1:47:49.439 no no, this is guy Howie. Uh so yeah, I 1:47:49.439 --> 1:47:56.320 know I know, yeah, yeah, and I got beef or whatever. Okay. 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:02.080 So um, we go into that ceteria and we're going 1:48:02.160 --> 1:48:04.840 there like we all dudes like from the hood, and 1:48:04.960 --> 1:48:07.600 it's just like all gay, Like all right, well this 1:48:07.800 --> 1:48:12.360 might not be all night. So it was a gay 1:48:12.840 --> 1:48:15.479 gay it was a private party. It turned out that 1:48:15.520 --> 1:48:18.560 it was gay. And we go there and we're like 1:48:18.680 --> 1:48:21.400 looking on stage and it guys on the mic, and 1:48:21.680 --> 1:48:23.360 then all of a sudden he brings someone up on 1:48:23.560 --> 1:48:26.360 stage and dude starts giving him head on stage and 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:29.240 we're like yeah, and we're like yo, all right, well 1:48:29.280 --> 1:48:31.360 we gotta get out of here now, like this ain't 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:34.439 our scene. Let me do that thing. So I get outside. 1:48:34.479 --> 1:48:38.120 I'm like, yo, how we um just happened on stage? 1:48:38.160 --> 1:48:41.479 Like what's going on? Oh that's Freddie Mercury. Oh s 1:48:41.479 --> 1:48:48.479 birthday from Queen Freddie Mercury from Queen. He was the 1:48:48.560 --> 1:48:54.840 one get yeah, And I'm like, yo, what the fuck man? 1:48:55.880 --> 1:48:59.320 It's it's it's it's crazy but legendary all at the 1:48:59.360 --> 1:49:02.280 same time. Hey, I wanted to I may as well 1:49:02.320 --> 1:49:07.800 bring something good, right, I don't know what to say, 1:49:07.840 --> 1:49:10.960 you know, pretty Murcury though, right from Queen. No you 1:49:11.000 --> 1:49:13.880 don't know who it is? Yeah you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:49:15.600 --> 1:49:24.320 yeah yeah, even a rhapsody up. Yes, but no, some 1:49:24.479 --> 1:49:29.519 of my point is no Instagram back then. No for 1:49:29.680 --> 1:49:33.479 hip hop back yeah, for hip hop back then. The 1:49:33.560 --> 1:49:36.960 reason why hip hop became successful was because there was 1:49:37.840 --> 1:49:41.040 a genesis of the reggae scene, the punk round scene, 1:49:41.360 --> 1:49:43.960 and what was happening in the hood. So all those 1:49:44.000 --> 1:49:47.920 things coming together, it was just like a culture shock 1:49:47.960 --> 1:49:50.040 and we're like, y'all, these motherfucker's a wild or whatever. 1:49:50.640 --> 1:49:53.200 But at the same time, even with with like whatever 1:49:53.240 --> 1:49:55.080 the gay scene was, and even if a lot of 1:49:55.200 --> 1:50:00.880 us were like raised homophobic, um, a lot of that scene, 1:50:01.280 --> 1:50:03.599 they're the first ones to give us a stage. It's 1:50:03.640 --> 1:50:07.000 the counterculture side of it. Everything was counterculture. Yeah, that's punk. 1:50:08.080 --> 1:50:11.519 It was all counterfuls. And our manager was a punk person. 1:50:11.680 --> 1:50:13.519 There was a lot of gay people within her world, 1:50:14.000 --> 1:50:17.960 and those connections that she had to put hip hop 1:50:18.080 --> 1:50:22.000 on stage was from that community. The same here in Miami, 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:25.519 some of the first hip hop parties were at known 1:50:25.720 --> 1:50:29.160 gay clubs. Not the parties weren't gay, right, not, but 1:50:29.280 --> 1:50:31.719 the only people that would allow the parties to happen 1:50:31.880 --> 1:50:36.120 in their venue were venues that were doing gay events. Yeah, easily, 1:50:36.200 --> 1:50:42.679 that's facts. The person who got us true are yeah 1:50:42.880 --> 1:50:46.840 yeah moment man, no no, no, no, hey that I 1:50:46.920 --> 1:50:56.720 brought you up. That's oh, it is what it is. 1:50:56.800 --> 1:50:58.760 It is what it is. That was a venue that 1:50:58.920 --> 1:51:02.760 and it's been this. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. 1:51:03.240 --> 1:51:07.840 Either we could confront our reality. It is our way 1:51:07.880 --> 1:51:12.120 through life. It doesn't make you anything different who It 1:51:12.160 --> 1:51:14.439 just makes you a better person to be able to 1:51:14.600 --> 1:51:18.080 like be like all right, cool, well, no problem whatever 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:20.680 you know. But um but at the end of the day, 1:51:20.800 --> 1:51:23.439 you can't deny that. Like, if you want to talk 1:51:23.479 --> 1:51:27.920 about how hip hop got its platforms, its first platforms, 1:51:28.880 --> 1:51:32.120 you might want to question who those people were, because 1:51:32.560 --> 1:51:34.400 there may have been people there who are looking out 1:51:34.439 --> 1:51:39.400 for you that you actually grew up not liking. Expand 1:51:39.439 --> 1:51:42.720 on that, meaning that if you're a fucking homophobe but 1:51:42.880 --> 1:51:45.040 you don't know that and you love hip hop, but 1:51:45.120 --> 1:51:47.880 you don't know that a lot of those clubs were 1:51:47.960 --> 1:51:50.920 clubs that were owned by gay people or run by 1:51:51.000 --> 1:51:57.280 gay people, but gave hip hop its first platforms, it's 1:51:57.320 --> 1:51:59.640 how oh shit, and then you gotta hate them, like 1:51:59.760 --> 1:52:01.439 I'm not a homophone. I don't give a fuck. You 1:52:01.479 --> 1:52:05.360 know it ain't hurting me, right, and you know that's right. Yeah, 1:52:06.120 --> 1:52:11.040 that's real. Yeah, that's real. So let's talk about USA 1:52:11.160 --> 1:52:14.120 Skating Ring. You went out there, yep in Queens and 1:52:14.240 --> 1:52:17.720 you said you broke even uh yeah, yeah. So we 1:52:17.800 --> 1:52:19.800 went out to their turf and to me, if I 1:52:19.880 --> 1:52:22.360 battle you on your turf for your crowd and it's 1:52:22.880 --> 1:52:25.880 and by by audience, it's a tie, I'm not. I'm 1:52:25.920 --> 1:52:29.920 thinking in my mind, yo, we smoked these motherfuckers, like like, 1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:33.800 I'm in your neighborhood and it's a tie, and we don't. 1:52:33.880 --> 1:52:36.320 We don't. We're not bringing our own judges. So we 1:52:36.600 --> 1:52:40.640 ended up getting a gig at Lincoln Center August of 1:52:40.760 --> 1:52:43.799 eighty one, and and and we're don't watching Lincoln Centers 1:52:43.800 --> 1:52:47.680 in Manhattan. I always thought Lincoln Center was in the bronx. Well, 1:52:47.760 --> 1:52:50.599 what what's the thing about Fordham for the Forum? Because 1:52:50.600 --> 1:52:55.479 for Fortam has a bronze campus. Okay, so um I 1:52:55.680 --> 1:52:58.120 invite you know. That's that's how we ended up battling 1:52:58.439 --> 1:53:01.360 dynamic rockers for a second time. And that's when it's 1:53:01.400 --> 1:53:04.400 like for Melsey's on my we are I don't even 1:53:04.439 --> 1:53:08.160 know who the DJ was. But um, it was the 1:53:08.200 --> 1:53:11.200 first time hip hop was at Lincoln Center, right, and 1:53:12.560 --> 1:53:15.160 that was just like the definitive, like neutral ground, like 1:53:15.560 --> 1:53:18.720 we smoked you motherfuckers, and like if you were interviewed them, 1:53:18.720 --> 1:53:21.080 they would never talk about it, right, it never even 1:53:21.160 --> 1:53:23.680 comes up in there in their history. Mister lead you 1:53:23.720 --> 1:53:29.080 over there making noise in your way, Dominican b B. 1:53:30.240 --> 1:53:32.240 You're the only one talking. You know, one who starts 1:53:32.479 --> 1:53:36.160 he makes the stone gave me quiet, no one, no, no, 1:53:39.080 --> 1:53:43.200 we don't like listen. We know we know that. I'm 1:53:43.200 --> 1:53:46.800 gonna tell me to do it, mister Lee get to 1:53:46.880 --> 1:53:52.200 Porto Ricans and not getting along. God, so they were 1:53:52.240 --> 1:53:54.439 like the new the New Hicks. We already went through 1:53:54.479 --> 1:53:59.920 our face all shit, crazy likes. Hey, but it's true 1:54:00.680 --> 1:54:03.439 at one point we went them. It's always a new group. 1:54:04.000 --> 1:54:05.920 And now in New York, well, I'm not gonna get it. 1:54:05.960 --> 1:54:07.720 They'll get offended if I bring it up right now. 1:54:08.560 --> 1:54:11.439 Oh now, mistill, He's like, I can talk now. You 1:54:11.560 --> 1:54:15.200 always have people us at the handball court because we 1:54:15.320 --> 1:54:20.240 were nice. Yo. But but but yo, bro, how the 1:54:20.439 --> 1:54:23.000 hell are you have the Benjamin Button's disease? You would 1:54:23.120 --> 1:54:28.080 verse in ages. You still look exercising of dancing. Actually, 1:54:28.320 --> 1:54:31.080 I slacked off on my exercising. I love boxing, that's 1:54:31.160 --> 1:54:34.640 my that's my that's my first love right there before dance. 1:54:34.760 --> 1:54:39.080 So I love doing that. And um yeah, my girl 1:54:39.520 --> 1:54:43.840 fucking be on my case because she's Japanese and she 1:54:43.960 --> 1:54:48.400 eats different. Yeah no, I think, Um, a little bit 1:54:48.440 --> 1:54:51.680 of denial goes a long way. It's gym, a little something. 1:54:52.000 --> 1:54:55.520 I choose not to be overweight as best I can, 1:54:55.840 --> 1:54:58.880 and that's difficult because throughout my life, I've been through 1:54:58.920 --> 1:55:01.280 a lot of injuries. If you know, like if there's 1:55:01.280 --> 1:55:04.400 like the six million dollar man that's to me, I've 1:55:04.440 --> 1:55:10.360 had maybe seven surgeries. I probably need three more. Yeah 1:55:12.320 --> 1:55:14.400 remember him. And you know, it's crazy because I'm a 1:55:14.480 --> 1:55:19.400 part of hip hop, which the element determines when you stop. 1:55:19.880 --> 1:55:23.040 You know, it's not me. The element decides that. It's like, 1:55:23.080 --> 1:55:26.120 all right, your body's done. You can't like you can 1:55:26.200 --> 1:55:31.280 keep you can spit bars. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, it's 1:55:31.280 --> 1:55:35.920 all good. It's cool. Yeah, I ain't injuring my elbows. No, nor. 1:55:36.360 --> 1:55:45.160 I used to be going like, you know, what's a 1:55:45.240 --> 1:55:48.800 crazy thing had? And this is like the main turning 1:55:48.920 --> 1:55:51.560 point for me as a kid is that um I 1:55:51.720 --> 1:55:53.760 was scheduled to be in the Junior Olympics for boxing, 1:55:54.520 --> 1:55:58.120 but I didn't have the fourteen dollars registration fee and 1:55:58.240 --> 1:56:00.640 that was when it was like, okay, well I'm gonna 1:56:00.680 --> 1:56:05.560 be dancing instead. So you know, boxing is my first love. 1:56:05.680 --> 1:56:08.520 I love fighting. I don't mind getting punched in the face. 1:56:08.560 --> 1:56:12.560 It's cool. It wasn't um uh v boying and the 1:56:12.640 --> 1:56:15.160 Soufa Olympics wasn't in the Soufa Olympics. It was in 1:56:15.280 --> 1:56:19.400 the Youth Olympics. It's called in twenty eighteen and what elsidas? Okay, 1:56:19.560 --> 1:56:22.280 yeah cool? And now is is it going to get 1:56:22.360 --> 1:56:26.960 in the twenty It's in twenty twenty four Paris? And wow? Yeah. 1:56:27.160 --> 1:56:31.240 I mean I still have my reservations because I need 1:56:31.280 --> 1:56:33.520 to see how it plays out. Because to me, if 1:56:34.400 --> 1:56:37.440 there needs to be a pathway that leads back to 1:56:37.520 --> 1:56:40.360 the hood, that creates a level playing field for black 1:56:40.440 --> 1:56:43.360 and brown people to be able to have access to 1:56:43.520 --> 1:56:46.400 the resources that gets them to your Olympics, because it 1:56:46.520 --> 1:56:48.680 comes from us, and if it comes from us, we 1:56:48.760 --> 1:56:53.560 should have that first opportunity at a level playing field. 1:56:53.760 --> 1:56:55.480 And are they also going to create some sort of 1:56:55.520 --> 1:57:03.640 ambassadors to ambassador ambassadorship ambassador ship program that leads into 1:57:03.720 --> 1:57:07.480 communities to educate people on how we as a people 1:57:07.920 --> 1:57:10.760 contributed and created this, because how does this system work? 1:57:10.840 --> 1:57:14.320 Like these people come and compete and then if they 1:57:14.520 --> 1:57:18.040 win the Olympics, they get the gold medal or whatever. Yeah, 1:57:18.320 --> 1:57:21.000 if they lose, they completely out of they go straight 1:57:21.040 --> 1:57:24.040 back to the hood. That's it. So and so for me, 1:57:25.280 --> 1:57:27.840 at the end of the day, is the Olympics the 1:57:28.080 --> 1:57:31.920 great fucking international platform. Yeah, it is what it is. 1:57:32.080 --> 1:57:36.360 But basketball is in the Olympics, but the Olympics will 1:57:36.440 --> 1:57:39.200 never be the NBA. So we need to maintain our 1:57:39.240 --> 1:57:42.320 ship when it comes to like those independent events that 1:57:42.680 --> 1:57:45.880 hip hop throws and continue to support those because the 1:57:46.200 --> 1:57:49.560 Olympics is once every four years to make hip hop 1:57:49.720 --> 1:57:53.640 and the people here the elite, yeah, just like NBA elite. Yeah. 1:57:53.720 --> 1:57:55.440 And that means that we have to lift each other 1:57:55.560 --> 1:57:59.200 up instead of take each other down. Right, That's real. 1:57:59.640 --> 1:58:04.200 That's Could you imagine people training to be in the 1:58:04.280 --> 1:58:06.760 Olympics as B boys and B girls and they don't 1:58:06.800 --> 1:58:08.560 even give a fuck about hip hop at all as 1:58:08.560 --> 1:58:10.680 a culture. I can't imagine that like, I want to 1:58:10.720 --> 1:58:13.800 train to play handball and the Olympics. Yeah, but you're 1:58:13.800 --> 1:58:19.960 Puerto Rican player. I did think handball me too. Olympics, 1:58:20.920 --> 1:58:23.840 I would like, oh I thought it was no. Hey, 1:58:23.880 --> 1:58:25.760 I'm gonna tell you that they called it some mother 1:58:25.800 --> 1:58:27.920 ship when it was in the Youth Olympics. They called 1:58:27.920 --> 1:58:34.240 it some they called it so not one. Like like, 1:58:34.440 --> 1:58:38.040 right now, one of my messengers missions is, uh, can 1:58:38.160 --> 1:58:41.040 I raise some sort of money through some sort of 1:58:41.200 --> 1:58:45.600 corporation or organization that is hip hop to support the 1:58:45.720 --> 1:58:48.800 people that are representing breaking in the Olympics, because right 1:58:48.880 --> 1:58:53.840 now there's not one hip hop entity that's supporting any 1:58:53.960 --> 1:58:56.000 B boy of B girl in the Olympics right now. 1:58:56.440 --> 1:58:59.120 So you're telling me Rock Nation is not nobody, No 1:58:59.280 --> 1:59:07.720 Rock rocks that zero nation nation, Yes, one revolt, no one, 1:59:07.920 --> 1:59:10.760 absolutely no boy. And these people need and here's the 1:59:10.840 --> 1:59:13.800 thing they need to nobody. No One's zero. That's a 1:59:13.880 --> 1:59:17.200 pill nobody about rock Steady. I would tell you, well, 1:59:17.680 --> 1:59:20.880 if we had the resources, I do it immediately, no problem. 1:59:21.000 --> 1:59:25.320 I mean I should maybe just say that maybe if 1:59:25.360 --> 1:59:28.400 you say, maybe maybe this is where it happens, you know, 1:59:28.560 --> 1:59:32.160 G unit Unit. But shouldn't Rock steady, be like consultants 1:59:32.200 --> 1:59:35.360 to what they're doing to oversee. Yeah, but then you 1:59:35.440 --> 1:59:37.400 have to figure out, like, all right, who are the 1:59:37.480 --> 1:59:40.320 people leading cash money. I don't think the record of 1:59:40.320 --> 1:59:42.760 that money. I don't think the record should be pair enough. 1:59:43.000 --> 1:59:47.200 I mean to sponsor, Yes, sponsor made some bread, sponsor, 1:59:47.320 --> 1:59:49.240 Yes we want you know what I watched. I watched 1:59:49.280 --> 1:59:52.600 this golf tournament that it was similar to that where 1:59:53.160 --> 1:59:55.440 if you win the golf tournament, you get everything, but 1:59:55.480 --> 1:59:59.520 if you lose, you get nothing. But the people that qualify, Yeah, 1:59:59.520 --> 2:00:01.840 but the people that don't get nothing, they still have 2:00:02.000 --> 2:00:04.600 private jets, They still because these people who sponsor them 2:00:04.800 --> 2:00:07.720 just because they had their logos on yeah yeah, something 2:00:07.800 --> 2:00:10.000 like that. And that's what I'm trying to advocate for 2:00:10.240 --> 2:00:13.040 because I know the brothers and sisters that are in it. 2:00:13.560 --> 2:00:17.400 And if it's crazy, because six hundred thousand gets from 2:00:17.440 --> 2:00:19.760 through the next year into the Olympics to be able 2:00:19.800 --> 2:00:24.160 to make the qualifiers, hire a trainer, you know, meal programs, 2:00:24.200 --> 2:00:26.640 all that stuff doesn't even start at the qualifying level 2:00:26.680 --> 2:00:28.880 like the DS like like DMC, like shouldn't it be 2:00:28.960 --> 2:00:31.160 like that? Yeah it does. But I know the people 2:00:31.200 --> 2:00:35.520 who already guaranteed to go in who have done enough already. 2:00:36.000 --> 2:00:38.800 But it's like they may have like small sponsorships here 2:00:38.840 --> 2:00:41.960 and there, but there's no one footing the bill to say, yo, 2:00:42.080 --> 2:00:46.280 you're good from here to the Olympics. That should only 2:00:46.360 --> 2:00:49.640 cause six hundred thousand dollars. That's it each person or 2:00:49.680 --> 2:00:52.840 the whole group, the whole group, oh wow, to give 2:00:52.920 --> 2:00:54.960 them some peace of mind and be like, yeah, I 2:00:55.000 --> 2:00:57.880 don't have to work, you know, I could just focus 2:00:57.960 --> 2:01:01.080 on dancing, you know. I mean, if it's Olympic, that's 2:01:01.120 --> 2:01:03.280 the way it should be. Yeah. And then the fact 2:01:03.360 --> 2:01:07.040 is that like that ship was born here and a 2:01:07.120 --> 2:01:10.400 lot of watches got more. Yeah. So the thing is, 2:01:10.440 --> 2:01:12.240 if you look at I think a lot of the 2:01:12.440 --> 2:01:16.400 other countries, they're supporting their people. The country US is 2:01:16.600 --> 2:01:19.640 not not one company in the US. But let me 2:01:19.640 --> 2:01:22.720 ask you, is that hip hop's responsibility? And that's but 2:01:22.840 --> 2:01:25.280 that's why I set first. There's not one hip hop 2:01:25.480 --> 2:01:29.120 entity that has stepped up. But maybe we don't know that, 2:01:29.360 --> 2:01:31.840 like maybe no, but but actually I know what you're 2:01:31.880 --> 2:01:35.000 stepped up to inquire. I'm not gonna bring them up, 2:01:35.040 --> 2:01:39.280 but anybody but yeah, yeah, nah, nah, you have another 2:01:39.320 --> 2:01:41.760 shot get this man another shot, and we go we're 2:01:41.760 --> 2:01:43.480 gonna We're gonna play at least you know how I 2:01:43.560 --> 2:01:46.600 get down. Yes, yes, yes, yes, but you know you 2:01:46.680 --> 2:01:49.200 know what this is. This is I don't take a 2:01:49.240 --> 2:01:51.960 shot too, this is this is a hip hop save 2:01:52.080 --> 2:01:55.480 his own I believe that people are four fallers. You know, 2:01:55.600 --> 2:01:58.320 CO signed this show. And it's not about you know, 2:01:58.400 --> 2:02:01.360 blowing nobody up. It's just about telling the truth, not 2:02:01.440 --> 2:02:04.880 to say you know what I mean because you had 2:02:04.920 --> 2:02:09.480 a brother on here the other day and we went 2:02:10.400 --> 2:02:12.600 and and and and and then he says to me, 2:02:12.760 --> 2:02:15.960 you know this, this is gonna get me in trouble, right, 2:02:16.440 --> 2:02:24.560 And I go, it should right, and it should? You listen. 2:02:25.440 --> 2:02:27.800 I say this a lot. Maybe I didn't say this 2:02:27.880 --> 2:02:30.160 on the show, but the truth is more powerful than 2:02:30.240 --> 2:02:33.440 a lie. Always if it's a truth, Yeah, if it's 2:02:33.480 --> 2:02:37.200 a truth, go for it. The truth is more powerful 2:02:37.240 --> 2:02:39.760 than a lie because a lie you don't identify with 2:02:39.880 --> 2:02:41.680 the line and correct. A lot of lie will go 2:02:41.800 --> 2:02:45.680 away eventually. But the problem has their own truth. No, 2:02:46.200 --> 2:02:48.800 not when it's four niggas at his own table and 2:02:48.920 --> 2:02:54.320 everybody saying I remember that that is one's millions percent 2:02:54.440 --> 2:02:56.560 solid to the truth, and when you try to run 2:02:56.600 --> 2:02:59.560 away from that, it's going to pot back up. That's 2:02:59.600 --> 2:03:03.200 all I mean. Hold on you, I'm gonna tell you, 2:03:03.320 --> 2:03:04.760 like when it comes to the truth. The way I 2:03:04.800 --> 2:03:06.920 see it is like this, there's a lot of people 2:03:06.960 --> 2:03:09.720 that I know. I know that the deep shit, that dirty, 2:03:09.920 --> 2:03:13.360 I know that dirt. But even if they die, it's 2:03:13.400 --> 2:03:16.440 that the safe zone because when they died, it's still 2:03:16.480 --> 2:03:19.560 got kids. I gotta fucking live that legacy. I don't. 2:03:19.560 --> 2:03:22.840 I don't want, I don't, so I choose to make 2:03:22.920 --> 2:03:26.040 sure that you know, honestly, like if we did dirt 2:03:26.120 --> 2:03:28.640 together and you fucking even if you turn your back 2:03:28.680 --> 2:03:32.160 on me, I'm still not gonna snitch, you know, because 2:03:32.720 --> 2:03:35.400 it's bigger than that for me. And that could be 2:03:35.560 --> 2:03:39.640 my own ghetto trauma, stupidity or whatever it is. But 2:03:39.880 --> 2:03:43.200 that's just however, and that's everybody should have moral grounds 2:03:43.200 --> 2:03:44.880 that they stand on. I could suck up a lot 2:03:44.880 --> 2:03:48.640 of people's careers right now easily, you know, and people 2:03:48.680 --> 2:03:53.320 I probably deserve it, but I'm still not gonna do it. Right, Okay, 2:03:54.160 --> 2:03:57.320 that's real ship. Now, let me ask you, B boy 2:03:57.520 --> 2:04:02.920 originally stand for boy. Yes, yeah, So we established that 2:04:02.960 --> 2:04:06.200 breakdown dancing isn't what B boy. So when you see 2:04:06.240 --> 2:04:08.440 people from Brooklyn calling itself a B boy and people 2:04:08.520 --> 2:04:12.600 from Queens, yes, no no, no, no no no, so 2:04:13.480 --> 2:04:17.000 no because she evolves and that's cool. Only it's only 2:04:17.080 --> 2:04:19.880 when you're not that. So I was in San Francisco 2:04:19.920 --> 2:04:22.720 and like around ninety three and I go to this 2:04:22.840 --> 2:04:26.280 event that run DMC isn't and you asked one DMC 2:04:26.400 --> 2:04:29.000 about the B boy and they say, because when it 2:04:29.080 --> 2:04:33.760 came to Queens, it's signed a f lie Yes, damn ye. Yes. 2:04:35.040 --> 2:04:37.000 I didn't know that. I didn't know. I was like, 2:04:37.160 --> 2:04:39.480 I was like, because I was sitting there, I was like, 2:04:40.000 --> 2:04:43.440 fuck to say the juth as a queen's worst. I 2:04:43.480 --> 2:04:46.240 wish they had a better answer or was that. I 2:04:46.520 --> 2:04:49.280 appreciate that because then we found out that jam Assid 2:04:49.360 --> 2:04:53.840 Jay was actually a B boy. Oh that he actually danced, Yes, 2:04:54.200 --> 2:04:57.360 oh yeah, jam Master Jay and everything was a B 2:04:57.520 --> 2:05:01.720 boy though, yeah, yeah he was. He was. He was 2:05:02.880 --> 2:05:10.040 for them too, you d y yeah, man during the 2:05:10.120 --> 2:05:13.840 Source Awards, which Source Awards, Oh, I'll tell you When 2:05:14.040 --> 2:05:17.520 run DMC was performing, I was in the nineties and 2:05:18.800 --> 2:05:21.920 I feel like rock Steady DJ's at the time mixed 2:05:22.000 --> 2:05:24.960 Mass to Mike Hubert and DJ Appollo. They were performing 2:05:25.040 --> 2:05:28.280 after Source Awards as rock Steady DJ's and they did 2:05:28.360 --> 2:05:34.800 their routine in rehearsal, did the Peter Piper routine in rehearsal. Yeah, yeah, 2:05:35.200 --> 2:05:38.600 they did that routine. No one said anything. So during 2:05:38.680 --> 2:05:43.360 the show they started doing that running running. The gonna 2:05:43.400 --> 2:05:47.040 perform after, so they're pissed off because nobody wants that 2:05:47.200 --> 2:05:50.840 music played before they performed. And they pulled the plug 2:05:50.920 --> 2:05:53.240 on them in the middle of in Madison Square Garden 2:05:54.120 --> 2:05:56.120 and I'm sitting like in the front row and i 2:05:56.200 --> 2:06:00.600 just feel the plug run DMC, run run run run, 2:06:00.800 --> 2:06:03.560 pull the plug on the DJ playing his music. Yes, 2:06:03.680 --> 2:06:07.360 yeah on the DJ. I'm saying, yeah, yeah, I feel that. 2:06:07.640 --> 2:06:10.120 So I ran up from I ran up into the 2:06:10.200 --> 2:06:13.160 stage and the back audience and me and him talking 2:06:13.240 --> 2:06:15.120 shit like it, and I'm like, yo, what the fuck 2:06:15.240 --> 2:06:20.280 you know, because okay, let me stop me for a second. Recently, 2:06:21.000 --> 2:06:25.240 I see Whiz Khalifa come on stage and do the 2:06:25.320 --> 2:06:27.320 same thing. He'd be ready to DJ like he went 2:06:27.400 --> 2:06:29.760 in and then I see every DJ in the world, 2:06:30.040 --> 2:06:32.560 Oh you mean yeah, yeah, that was why kind of 2:06:32.640 --> 2:06:36.160 like go against them the situation you're subscribed. No, no, 2:06:36.280 --> 2:06:39.320 this is different because they did a rehearsal, everybody knew 2:06:39.320 --> 2:06:41.680 what was gonna be played. But in the middle of 2:06:41.760 --> 2:06:44.000 the show, in front of a packed audience of seven 2:06:44.080 --> 2:06:47.080 thousand people as a paramount theater, they're gonna go pull 2:06:47.120 --> 2:06:49.720 the plug on them and humiliate them. They came from 2:06:49.800 --> 2:06:55.760 San Francisco this j yeah. Yeah, And so you know, 2:06:55.920 --> 2:07:01.080 me and run mostly got into it, and and you know, 2:07:01.160 --> 2:07:02.840 he was up in the stairway and I'm trying to 2:07:02.920 --> 2:07:05.560 get at him and people holding me back because it's 2:07:05.560 --> 2:07:07.120 just like, yo, I'm not gonna let you bullying my 2:07:07.200 --> 2:07:09.000 dudes there, my crew, I don't give a funck who 2:07:09.080 --> 2:07:12.320 you are. And yeah, that was it. I'm still a 2:07:12.360 --> 2:07:14.680 fan though. Did you have an aff at the time 2:07:15.240 --> 2:07:20.960 at that time, yeah, Bruce Water, No, you envisioned his 2:07:21.040 --> 2:07:31.560 own like you know, I'm good man. I had to 2:07:31.640 --> 2:07:34.360 put this up like this all right before I'm all right, 2:07:34.440 --> 2:07:37.160 this is this is this is a pre question. But um, 2:07:38.760 --> 2:07:41.960 I gotta ask it because I see people trying that 2:07:42.080 --> 2:07:46.920 we created. Can fat laces ever come back? We started 2:07:47.000 --> 2:07:50.840 fat Laces that ninety nine cents store. Don't tell me 2:07:50.960 --> 2:07:54.520 don't tell me if we use its store ye from 2:07:54.600 --> 2:08:00.280 elastics that would be used for um uh do you say, 2:08:00.320 --> 2:08:05.200 what's the word? I'm looking for people who who seem 2:08:05.280 --> 2:08:08.240 stress and shit like that. So that's how we started. 2:08:08.280 --> 2:08:13.160 From our perspective. Even before that fat lass was about 2:08:13.280 --> 2:08:16.720 taking regular laces, wet them, take the tip of the iron, 2:08:16.840 --> 2:08:22.480 pressed down and then widened them out. And in the 2:08:22.600 --> 2:08:26.600 seventies and then yeah, yeah, who made the creases? I 2:08:26.680 --> 2:08:30.120 don't know, man, you gottat that's some Yeah, that's some 2:08:30.240 --> 2:08:32.080 older dude ship and I see that and paid in 2:08:32.160 --> 2:08:34.600 fall and he was asking for the creases. Yeah, I 2:08:34.760 --> 2:08:38.560 used my creases on the leaves riders. Well you should 2:08:38.560 --> 2:08:41.960 snatch Lee patches. Uh no, we would. There was this 2:08:42.080 --> 2:08:46.760 place called Martin Brothers on Fordham Road and then they 2:08:46.840 --> 2:08:50.040 had a patch that said ONYX and those are like 2:08:50.120 --> 2:08:52.760 the high end Lee riders. But that was the spot 2:08:52.800 --> 2:08:54.960 we got our leaves over there. I should snatched Lee 2:08:55.000 --> 2:08:59.800 passes patches and collect um the Mercedes bench Oh yeah, 2:09:00.040 --> 2:09:07.000 but Cadillac I was so poor. I was pop the ship. 2:09:08.560 --> 2:09:14.840 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was like like, yo, 2:09:15.080 --> 2:09:22.960 little Poppy, we know you don't Lettauck Cadillac. Hey, I 2:09:23.080 --> 2:09:26.440 just want to be clear on one thing, Like, so, 2:09:27.080 --> 2:09:29.880 to me, when I talk about the negative shit in 2:09:29.920 --> 2:09:31.440 my life that I've done or I've been a part 2:09:31.480 --> 2:09:35.800 of an experience, it's not to brag about it or 2:09:36.000 --> 2:09:39.120 celebrate its history. It's just no, it's yeah, it's history. 2:09:39.200 --> 2:09:42.080 But at the same time, you know, to be able 2:09:42.120 --> 2:09:44.560 to turn your life around and just walk away from 2:09:44.600 --> 2:09:49.560 shit before it hits that next level, you know, there's 2:09:49.560 --> 2:09:53.560 a lane for that too, you know. And I guess 2:09:53.760 --> 2:09:55.560 trying to show people like yo, you know, yeah, we 2:09:55.640 --> 2:09:57.040 all come from a lot of us come from a 2:09:57.080 --> 2:10:00.160 fucked up situation. I can tell you ship that alow 2:10:00.240 --> 2:10:04.800 your mind. But but when um people hear those stories, 2:10:05.040 --> 2:10:07.640 but they don't hear like hey, but I'm doing this X, 2:10:07.760 --> 2:10:10.160 Y and Z right now. You know, we gotta give 2:10:10.200 --> 2:10:13.600 that contrast to give them some clarity, like, Yo, my dude, 2:10:13.640 --> 2:10:16.000 you don't have to stay stuck on stupid or or 2:10:16.360 --> 2:10:19.960 be susceptible to that peer pressure, you know. And I 2:10:20.080 --> 2:10:22.400 think that's the power of hip hop, to be honest 2:10:22.400 --> 2:10:25.440 with you. Although you know, hip hop has a bad 2:10:25.520 --> 2:10:28.000 rap and there's a lot of fucked up shit, but 2:10:28.160 --> 2:10:30.080 I think that's the illest part about hip hop has 2:10:30.120 --> 2:10:33.400 turned a lot of people's lives around. Yeah, it's giving 2:10:33.520 --> 2:10:37.200 us lives. Yeah, it's giving us careers, it's given us pathways. 2:10:37.320 --> 2:10:40.880 Most power in the world right now, Yeah, not just 2:10:41.120 --> 2:10:45.120 but not just musically, like in this totality art. Yeah, 2:10:45.240 --> 2:10:49.160 it's amazing artists selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars now. 2:10:49.600 --> 2:10:52.000 So yeah, like my boy that was just tagging and 2:10:52.120 --> 2:10:55.760 bombing and fighting in the streets over fucking tags. Now 2:10:55.840 --> 2:10:58.560 he's fucking selling his ship for hundreds of thousands of dollars. 2:10:58.640 --> 2:11:00.720 You know, Like it's amazing to see that, you know, 2:11:00.800 --> 2:11:03.440 to see b boys and be girls that that that 2:11:03.640 --> 2:11:06.280 that there were just these hood kids in the neighborhood 2:11:06.360 --> 2:11:09.480 dancing traveling the world. You know, that's amazing to me. 2:11:10.120 --> 2:11:14.360 And you danced for Queen Elizabeth. Yeah, Elizabeth and Queen 2:11:16.440 --> 2:11:18.320 but she's on the land, Madonna, and you grind it 2:11:18.360 --> 2:11:21.320 on Madonna. You're grinding on Madonna. Yeah before she blew up, 2:11:21.920 --> 2:11:25.680 she never That picture out there was taken by Henry 2:11:25.760 --> 2:11:30.760 child Fund and it was at dance sing terriat No, honestly, 2:11:32.920 --> 2:11:36.280 I'm gonna tell you right now. So there's all right, 2:11:36.560 --> 2:11:38.960 So she used to come to the rocks He and 2:11:39.000 --> 2:11:41.400 hang out. But before that, again, we were at Dancing Teria, 2:11:41.520 --> 2:11:44.080 so I saw one of her person person her first 2:11:44.120 --> 2:11:48.440 performances there and before she became like Madonna, you know, 2:11:48.560 --> 2:11:51.720 before she had a single out. But um, when she 2:11:51.840 --> 2:11:54.160 used to hang out at the rocks He, you know 2:11:54.440 --> 2:11:56.000 a lot. She'd be hanging out with a lot of 2:11:56.040 --> 2:11:58.960 my boys who are Latino. And I'm sure Mayor has 2:11:59.040 --> 2:12:01.480 some stories because you know, you probably know some of 2:12:01.520 --> 2:12:03.280 the people who went to hang out of her. What 2:12:03.360 --> 2:12:06.040 was homie dude from all our records that made Jellybean 2:12:06.200 --> 2:12:09.760 jelly Bean believe her. That was later a little bit later, Okay, okay, 2:12:09.840 --> 2:12:12.680 so yeah, But the thing is is that I wasn't 2:12:12.720 --> 2:12:15.680 ever into white girls, but she wasn't. Let's let's be honest. 2:12:15.720 --> 2:12:17.320 She was. She was kind of in tune with hip 2:12:17.400 --> 2:12:21.320 hop early on. Absolutely yeah, for the eight from the eighties. Yeah, 2:12:21.560 --> 2:12:25.240 and that's because she met us in danceteria. But I 2:12:25.360 --> 2:12:27.080 wasn't into white girls, but a lot of my boys 2:12:27.120 --> 2:12:30.720 she used to go and hang out. Nah, fuck that shit. 2:12:31.480 --> 2:12:34.160 I was only dating black and Puerto Rican girls back then. 2:12:34.240 --> 2:12:39.480 I said, I said, dance for Queen Elizabeth. Oh, Queen Elizabeth. Yeah. 2:12:39.560 --> 2:12:42.360 So when I was there, when we went to perform 2:12:42.440 --> 2:12:45.720 for Queen Elizabeth, I'm over here looking at her like, 2:12:45.920 --> 2:12:48.320 you know, I gotta shake her hand. And she had 2:12:48.360 --> 2:12:51.120 the jewels around her neck. She smelled like marijuana. Nah, 2:12:53.280 --> 2:12:56.280 she had these jewels around her neck. So I'm supposed 2:12:56.280 --> 2:12:59.120 to be looking at her in her eyes like you know, 2:12:59.160 --> 2:13:01.720 your highness whatever, and I'm like, damn, I want to 2:13:01.760 --> 2:13:09.480 snatch that ship. Oh my god, he's gonna say that. 2:13:10.280 --> 2:13:14.200 I mean again, that's and that's that double life. Did 2:13:14.280 --> 2:13:17.440 you know what it meant to for the Queen? Did 2:13:17.480 --> 2:13:20.200 you know what it meant to you? Now? You didn't 2:13:20.240 --> 2:13:22.000 give it a fun? Wait? Wait wait, wait, this a 2:13:22.040 --> 2:13:24.680 two part question. Did you know what it meant? Or 2:13:24.760 --> 2:13:27.240 did you I didn't know what it meant. Okay, maybe 2:13:27.360 --> 2:13:29.320 that's real. You didn't know. I didn't know what it 2:13:29.360 --> 2:13:32.879 meant because we grow up. We don't know the president 2:13:33.200 --> 2:13:36.720 coming from the hoods. Yeah, you want to meet James Brown, 2:13:37.000 --> 2:13:40.080 But she was blah blah, you know, but you know 2:13:40.160 --> 2:13:42.320 who she was what she was. Yeah, I didn't give 2:13:42.320 --> 2:13:45.400 a fuck. Okay, Yeah, it meant nothing to me. I 2:13:45.520 --> 2:13:48.640 didn't grow up that way. You know it got to 2:13:48.720 --> 2:13:53.560 pick the pick. Oh, this is the pick mcdonna. We 2:13:53.640 --> 2:13:55.200 got going back to Madonna. I might ask you again. 2:13:55.240 --> 2:13:57.000 You're not gonna carr Madonna back in the day they man, 2:13:57.120 --> 2:14:01.280 leave me the fun out of crazy legs. He was outside, 2:14:01.400 --> 2:14:08.920 Let me see he was he was outside. It was outside. Yeah, 2:14:09.000 --> 2:14:12.600 you're right your yeah, but she was cool. She's cool. 2:14:12.920 --> 2:14:16.200 I'm not gonna fust she was not a virgin, absolutely 2:14:16.320 --> 2:14:25.000 not or the very first time I doubt that guy. Yeah, 2:14:25.640 --> 2:14:28.240 and then homegirl Debbie Maze how used to hang out 2:14:28.280 --> 2:14:33.480 with us. His brother dated Debbie Maze Hard and that 2:14:33.600 --> 2:14:36.440 was when she was called Debbie m Right. Yeah, yeah, 2:14:36.440 --> 2:14:38.000 I had an amazing time. Man, let me take a 2:14:38.040 --> 2:14:41.600 shot for it was fun. Like one time we end up, 2:14:42.080 --> 2:14:44.720 we get, I noticed how he was not sticking away 2:14:44.720 --> 2:14:50.920 from the shots to stick again. Yeah, I take another drink. Look. 2:14:51.160 --> 2:14:53.560 So one time we get, we get invited to go 2:14:53.680 --> 2:14:56.720 to a recording studio because some recording artists as a 2:14:56.800 --> 2:14:59.840 fan of ours and they want to surprise him with 2:14:59.880 --> 2:15:03.520 a like in studio performance. And this is like nineteen 2:15:03.600 --> 2:15:05.880 eighty two and he's like one of the biggest artists 2:15:05.920 --> 2:15:09.600 out there. And uh, we go, then it's fucking David Bowie. 2:15:09.880 --> 2:15:14.320 Oh sure, YouTube? Huh no, no, David Bowie. Let's dance, 2:15:15.000 --> 2:15:18.480 David Bowie, not YouTube? What's it? Who's your YouTube? David? 2:15:19.960 --> 2:15:26.360 But it's bad Let's dance? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, so yeah, 2:15:26.480 --> 2:15:29.760 So we were having like interesting times like that, meeting 2:15:30.280 --> 2:15:34.640 like really bugged out punk rock people. Me, Prince Nah, 2:15:34.680 --> 2:15:38.120 I mean Prince Michael Jackson I met when I worked 2:15:38.160 --> 2:15:41.080 on a bad video. Tell us about that. But you 2:15:41.160 --> 2:15:43.320 were on the on the set, Yeah, yeah, I was 2:15:43.400 --> 2:15:45.120 in it was it? Who was in that set? Wasn't 2:15:45.200 --> 2:15:49.600 all Westley Wesley Night. So I auditioned with Martin Scorsese 2:15:50.120 --> 2:15:53.440 for the Wesleys for that part. Really Martin Scorsese didn't 2:15:57.120 --> 2:16:02.480 but that I don't know, it's not all relevant. I 2:16:02.640 --> 2:16:06.000 auditioned for him, and uh, I knew I didn't get 2:16:06.040 --> 2:16:08.120 the part immediately because he was just like, yo, you know, 2:16:08.240 --> 2:16:10.760 like when you live a little, I think you'd be 2:16:10.840 --> 2:16:14.440 a really good actor. And I'm like, he said, live 2:16:14.480 --> 2:16:19.360 a little, yeah, like meaning more wisdom, life explie. Yeah. So, um, 2:16:19.880 --> 2:16:23.400 Wesley got the part, and I ended up being an 2:16:23.480 --> 2:16:25.920 extra on the train scene in the long version of 2:16:26.000 --> 2:16:28.040 the video, But I got to hang out with him, 2:16:28.080 --> 2:16:31.680 take a picture of me and him and with Michael. 2:16:33.280 --> 2:16:35.640 You know who Martin Scorsese was. I found out years later, 2:16:37.120 --> 2:16:40.160 So I'm like auditioning, not giving a fuck, don't know 2:16:40.240 --> 2:16:44.640 who he is and in the job. Yeah, but in 2:16:44.760 --> 2:16:49.440 that picture you're looking at kadem Hardison is in there too. Yeah, yep, 2:16:49.920 --> 2:16:52.720 Kadeem Hardison is right there. So how was Michael? Did 2:16:52.760 --> 2:16:58.440 you probably blew up? You interact with Michael one? Huh? Miked? 2:16:59.360 --> 2:17:02.320 I felt like my was just going pulled out a bag. 2:17:02.440 --> 2:17:06.480 I mean he might tell me that that might. All 2:17:06.520 --> 2:17:09.119 I did was asking for a photo and an autograph 2:17:09.320 --> 2:17:12.760 where you start struck by Michael, to be honest, Yeah, absolutely, yes, 2:17:12.879 --> 2:17:15.760 he was Mike back then eighties. Yeah. I mean he's 2:17:15.760 --> 2:17:17.800 the biggest pop star in the world. Yeah, and our 2:17:17.879 --> 2:17:21.760 film sets there's a certain decorum. You can't really cross 2:17:21.840 --> 2:17:25.440 certain lines. And he's not just that one Michael. You 2:17:25.600 --> 2:17:28.680 got Michael from the Jackson five, who's already a celebrity, 2:17:28.680 --> 2:17:32.720 you know what I'm saying. So that's that's real, That's cool, 2:17:33.200 --> 2:17:35.400 damn it. Man. We come across some interesting people like 2:17:35.480 --> 2:17:39.640 Tina Turner, Gene Kelly, like you're dealt with Tina Turners. Yeah, 2:17:40.320 --> 2:17:43.440 tell him. So we were going to perform in Holland 2:17:44.480 --> 2:17:49.640 and hell huh Holland. Yeah that space Cakes, Space Cake. 2:17:49.720 --> 2:17:53.440 I don't remember, so maybe yes, that's Holland, that's Holland. 2:17:53.600 --> 2:17:59.760 So yeah, so there's not Hollanddale maybe too. Drking Dragon 2:17:59.800 --> 2:18:05.520 coming holiday. I look at him, Sorr. Yeah, No, she 2:18:05.680 --> 2:18:07.440 just wanted to meet us. We were all performing on 2:18:07.520 --> 2:18:10.920 the same show. And uh, it's kind of like this, 2:18:11.040 --> 2:18:13.400 the person wants to meet you, and and we're super young, 2:18:13.600 --> 2:18:16.520 so we still don't really know who the fuck she 2:18:16.680 --> 2:18:23.200 is anyway, back then, did we cares like the message? 2:18:23.240 --> 2:18:27.040 I know, it's crazy. We're looking at the back tfo. 2:18:27.200 --> 2:18:30.600 We don't give a shit about that, you know. So, yeah, 2:18:30.720 --> 2:18:33.280 we met her. That happened with Gene Kelly, like another 2:18:33.360 --> 2:18:36.440 surprise visit. That's the kiss Gene Kelly. No, that's Gene Simmonds, 2:18:36.600 --> 2:18:41.240 all right exactly, Jean Kelly, legendary dancer, tap dancer shit. Yeah, 2:18:41.280 --> 2:18:45.680 we um, we lived some ghetto rock star shit. It 2:18:45.800 --> 2:18:50.000 was cool. So we didn't kick up back then at all. 2:18:50.120 --> 2:18:53.600 You know, we did in terms of what I don't know, 2:18:53.640 --> 2:18:59.680 I got up means something different. But who's somebody that 2:19:00.160 --> 2:19:02.000 that that that told you they was a fan that 2:19:02.120 --> 2:19:07.000 she was blown away from. Well, the queen was a fan. 2:19:07.240 --> 2:19:10.040 She was an actual fan to my queen Elizabeth. Yeah, 2:19:10.040 --> 2:19:12.640 she was a fan of She was actual fan. Really, Yeah, 2:19:14.280 --> 2:19:16.800 try to break down George. I mean, come on, he 2:19:17.000 --> 2:19:22.120 was a fan the comedian No man, Yeah he was 2:19:23.280 --> 2:19:26.400 because I saw so they used to have like fan 2:19:26.520 --> 2:19:29.600 mail back then, and and uh in the fan mail, 2:19:29.600 --> 2:19:31.960 it's like all these questions that the fans asking, then 2:19:32.000 --> 2:19:35.320 you fill out each one. So in his answer when 2:19:35.360 --> 2:19:38.280 he puts music that he bought or who he's into, 2:19:38.640 --> 2:19:44.960 he put rock Steady Crew. That's dope. Yeah, makes so 2:19:45.600 --> 2:19:48.280 who in hip hop were you a fan of that 2:19:48.400 --> 2:19:50.680 you met that you kind of were like fan boyed out. 2:19:51.760 --> 2:19:55.840 That's within your own world though, like Cat Grandmaster Haz 2:19:56.000 --> 2:20:00.720 is my hero, you know, Charlie Chase is also my boy. Uh, 2:20:01.280 --> 2:20:04.040 but yeah, I would say grand Master cast because he 2:20:04.240 --> 2:20:09.400 represented the battle in every way, so and I you know, 2:20:09.480 --> 2:20:11.800 I'm all about the battle. So how old are you 2:20:11.840 --> 2:20:14.280 when you first meet him? Fuck? I was a fan 2:20:14.360 --> 2:20:17.440 of his and watching from the outside the ropes in 2:20:17.560 --> 2:20:20.120 seventy seventy I probably saw him seventy seven, seventy eight. 2:20:21.000 --> 2:20:23.200 I don't remember when he got into Cold Crush, but 2:20:23.320 --> 2:20:25.320 whenever he got in, that's when I became a fan 2:20:25.360 --> 2:20:29.080 of his. And so it was home alone too that 2:20:29.280 --> 2:20:32.959 you I was an extra. It was an extra. It's 2:20:33.000 --> 2:20:36.000 funny too. And that's the same place that used to 2:20:36.080 --> 2:20:38.600 rob people. That's what That's what it is. I asked 2:20:38.640 --> 2:20:42.040 you that earlier. Yeah, I did a little bit. Yeah yeah, yeah, no. 2:20:42.240 --> 2:20:45.640 So it's funny because we had a certain name and 2:20:45.720 --> 2:20:48.160 I'm not gonna get into it because I get canceled immediately. 2:20:49.120 --> 2:20:51.240 I mean, you know what I'm talking about the area 2:20:51.280 --> 2:20:54.240 and uh such a part. We had a certain name 2:20:54.320 --> 2:20:59.560 for it. But uh yeah, and in eighty two, I 2:20:59.680 --> 2:21:03.080 think was the highest crime rate of Central Park. And 2:21:05.480 --> 2:21:07.440 let's just say I was associated with a lot of 2:21:07.720 --> 2:21:13.160 people involved with that and him being one of them. Damn, 2:21:13.520 --> 2:21:16.600 come out your court. And the crazy said is that, 2:21:16.720 --> 2:21:18.040 you know you at a certain point you had the 2:21:18.040 --> 2:21:21.440 Guardian Angels, like we had competations with them. They were 2:21:21.480 --> 2:21:23.879 confronting Hall. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't know how 2:21:23.920 --> 2:21:27.760 to take that because you know, at that age, you're 2:21:27.800 --> 2:21:31.000 thinking like Guardian ages with the yeah, yeah, they're braided. Yeah, 2:21:31.040 --> 2:21:33.400 they were ever raised. Yeah, so you know you funked 2:21:33.440 --> 2:21:35.320 out all of them was on cocaine as well. Huh 2:21:35.959 --> 2:21:37.880 we found out the Guardian age, I wouldn't Yeah, I 2:21:37.879 --> 2:21:40.200 want to be surprised. Man. It was just it was 2:21:40.320 --> 2:21:42.879 dudes like us who acted like they really knew karate 2:21:43.920 --> 2:21:46.840 and we believed the ship believed them too. By the way, 2:21:47.600 --> 2:21:51.200 right in the train, seeing the Guardian Angels being up 2:21:51.440 --> 2:21:55.400 nine to eleven felt safe. I felt safe. I can't 2:21:55.440 --> 2:21:58.760 out front on them. Were they necessary evil in that time? Probably? 2:21:59.080 --> 2:22:01.080 I wouldn't even say that evil. Man, I know what 2:22:01.120 --> 2:22:06.280 I'm saying. Who he was Italian? He was Italian? No sleewa, 2:22:06.959 --> 2:22:10.920 that he was what's his name? The guards Sleewa? You 2:22:11.000 --> 2:22:14.600 know he was like who the dude the main guy? Yeah, 2:22:14.959 --> 2:22:19.600 I thought he was Italian sea. I don't know, there's 2:22:19.600 --> 2:22:21.840 a documentary. No matter what he was, he wasn't one 2:22:21.879 --> 2:22:26.920 of us, Okay, yeah, yeah, And that's when they had 2:22:27.000 --> 2:22:29.600 like Hector Camacho and all these other dudes doing like 2:22:30.040 --> 2:22:34.360 anti graffiti campaigns. Hector Camacho did an anti yes, am 2:22:34.400 --> 2:22:43.400 I right, who else anti graffiti campaign? But yeah, but 2:22:43.480 --> 2:22:47.320 you look at it, this way the outer world of 2:22:47.520 --> 2:22:51.879 our existence was paying our own people to campaign against us, 2:22:52.360 --> 2:22:55.760 right right the well, New York City, they had a 2:22:55.840 --> 2:22:59.280 big campaign against us. Wow, it's kind of like how 2:22:59.360 --> 2:23:02.840 Trump took it add out against these brothers from the 2:23:04.160 --> 2:23:10.240 same shit good that was. It's horrible. Yeah, So let's 2:23:10.240 --> 2:23:13.359 talk about uh, Jimmy D and Jimmy Lee, the founders 2:23:13.360 --> 2:23:16.640 of the rock Steady Crew. Yeah, then how did they? Um, 2:23:17.080 --> 2:23:19.279 how did you meet them to get down with rock Steady? 2:23:19.560 --> 2:23:21.680 I mean, so there was this place called mom and 2:23:21.720 --> 2:23:25.240 Pop's Disco on Katona Avenue in the Bronx. You love 2:23:25.320 --> 2:23:27.840 Katona Avenue. Man, you gotta you gotta buy coltona Aue. 2:23:27.840 --> 2:23:29.520 I mean that's why I started. Yeah, you gotta buy 2:23:29.600 --> 2:23:31.960 yeah yeah, yeah. So you got an accident on there, 2:23:32.000 --> 2:23:33.920 that's where you first got You had an accident on 2:23:34.000 --> 2:23:36.320 Katona Avenue. And what do you mean, no, no, no, 2:23:36.560 --> 2:23:38.760 didn't you fall or something like that? Well, that's where 2:23:38.800 --> 2:23:40.440 you made the windmill, because that's why I made you 2:23:40.560 --> 2:23:43.560 didn't want to fall? Okay, I'm sorry? Yeah right, So, um, 2:23:44.920 --> 2:23:47.320 Jimmy D. I met them at this place ka mom 2:23:47.360 --> 2:23:50.680 and Pop's Disco, which was an underground nightclub this dude, 2:23:50.920 --> 2:23:53.000 a little angel Puerto Rican Cat used to be the 2:23:53.120 --> 2:23:54.840 DJ there and it was where a lot of the lot, 2:23:55.080 --> 2:23:58.200 a lot of the premiere be boys and be girls 2:23:58.240 --> 2:24:01.160 would be with, especially within a lot the community. So 2:24:01.280 --> 2:24:04.000 I went there like maybe seventy seven, seventy eight, and 2:24:05.200 --> 2:24:06.760 at this time, I'm sorry to cut you off, but 2:24:06.840 --> 2:24:09.840 be boy and is probably more important than MCM. And 2:24:10.560 --> 2:24:13.480 now everything was dope, everything was on the same, everything 2:24:13.560 --> 2:24:16.160 was okay, it was a fresh. Yeah, it was all dope, 2:24:16.240 --> 2:24:19.360 all fresh because you remember, like Kaz Mellie Mel, all 2:24:19.360 --> 2:24:22.199 of them used to be B boys, right, so they 2:24:22.240 --> 2:24:25.200 always had a relationship. And when you have people like um, 2:24:26.600 --> 2:24:28.680 Jimmy d and Jimmy Lee who are notorious at the 2:24:28.760 --> 2:24:31.960 same time, they were going to get that respect no 2:24:32.080 --> 2:24:35.120 matter what because they were a threat, you know. So 2:24:35.480 --> 2:24:37.959 but and these are two fucking dudes that never grew 2:24:38.040 --> 2:24:41.080 up to be tall, you know, and but they were 2:24:41.640 --> 2:24:43.720 they were s they were fearless. Yeah, they were fearless. 2:24:44.440 --> 2:24:49.760 And uh so when I everyone on watch out for 2:24:49.840 --> 2:24:55.560 a little guy everyone yeah. So um yeah, as soon 2:24:55.600 --> 2:24:57.760 as I met them, I was maybe like eleven years old, 2:24:58.360 --> 2:25:00.160 and the first thing they did was taking to go 2:25:00.240 --> 2:25:04.360 do snatch a purse And it didn't work out, but 2:25:05.000 --> 2:25:10.080 that was my introduction the purse snatch. Now it was 2:25:10.480 --> 2:25:12.560 fucking desolate and the bronx. There was no one there 2:25:12.920 --> 2:25:19.600 to rob, no purses around the hooks at Hunts Point, 2:25:20.120 --> 2:25:24.039 say tumbleweed and ship because then you help um uh 2:25:24.360 --> 2:25:27.640 cleaned up Hunts Point as well. Yes, I became part 2:25:27.680 --> 2:25:31.320 of a program. Well, I created a program within the 2:25:31.480 --> 2:25:35.920 Point Community Development Corporation because a lot of my boys 2:25:35.959 --> 2:25:37.960 had already dropped off, you know, so a lot of 2:25:37.959 --> 2:25:41.640 people have been murdered. And I was facing a situation 2:25:41.800 --> 2:25:46.680 of do I go in deeper and and go all 2:25:46.760 --> 2:25:50.720 the way and finish this out, or do I just 2:25:51.080 --> 2:25:53.680 walk away and just say fuck it, this ship is dumb. 2:25:54.440 --> 2:25:57.200 And I walked away, and I said, Okay, from this 2:25:57.360 --> 2:25:59.760 point on, I'm gonna get back to the community. I'm 2:25:59.800 --> 2:26:03.440 get use my talent to save the lives of the 2:26:03.560 --> 2:26:07.120 people who made the same bad decisions that led to 2:26:07.200 --> 2:26:10.680 all of my boys' deaths. So I volunteered for three 2:26:10.800 --> 2:26:14.320 years at the Point for three days a week, teaching 2:26:14.440 --> 2:26:17.120 dance and throwing events and you and bringing these kids 2:26:17.200 --> 2:26:20.280 to like wetlands and we take over the club, and 2:26:21.120 --> 2:26:23.560 I put the kids at the at the box office. 2:26:23.640 --> 2:26:25.879 I let them sell the merch, I let them host 2:26:25.920 --> 2:26:29.080 a show, I let them run the B Boy battle everything, 2:26:29.160 --> 2:26:32.279 and to give them some sort of dignity and pride 2:26:32.560 --> 2:26:34.760 and understanding of how to do business. And that was 2:26:34.800 --> 2:26:37.760 like the first gentification to hunts Point. Ye back then 2:26:38.080 --> 2:26:41.720 everyone knew hunts Point for one thing, and this is 2:26:41.840 --> 2:26:45.680 positive gentification. Yeah yeahs he took the hook us out, 2:26:45.760 --> 2:26:51.880 he started dancing. Yeah. Well, Disney, Well, Disney took the 2:26:51.920 --> 2:26:54.560 peep shows out, and he brought in dis nance and 2:26:54.720 --> 2:26:57.280 he took the hookers out, and he brought in B 2:26:57.480 --> 2:27:01.640 Boy and god damn it. Yeah, here's the whole huts point. 2:27:01.760 --> 2:27:03.920 But I'm gonna tell you right now, here's here's a 2:27:03.959 --> 2:27:07.040 crazy shit. You do shit like that and you're still 2:27:07.240 --> 2:27:10.840 like not in tune with your emotions in terms of 2:27:11.000 --> 2:27:14.240 like the damage that you've experienced in your life and 2:27:14.400 --> 2:27:17.400 how that affects you, you know, and how much of 2:27:17.440 --> 2:27:20.520 a ticking time bomb you are fucking tears later on 2:27:20.680 --> 2:27:23.680 when you're you're dealing with remorse. So when you have 2:27:23.800 --> 2:27:27.680 a brother call you twenty years later and knowing that 2:27:28.160 --> 2:27:30.320 he lived right around the street or a corner from 2:27:30.320 --> 2:27:32.480 a place where there's a line waiting for a crack 2:27:32.560 --> 2:27:36.040 housle open every day, just like New Jack City, exactly 2:27:36.160 --> 2:27:40.920 like that. So, Um, when they call you twenty years later, 2:27:41.879 --> 2:27:45.040 randomly at different times, like yo, you saved my life, 2:27:45.800 --> 2:27:49.200 like I'm doing this, this and this now these other 2:27:49.280 --> 2:27:51.720 people are dead, but you saved my life because I 2:27:51.959 --> 2:27:56.360 got down with you, and that should change. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:27:57.000 --> 2:28:00.280 and I'm not. And the crazy thing is that I 2:28:00.440 --> 2:28:03.280 was still pulling myself out of some dirt. So the 2:28:03.360 --> 2:28:07.440 struggle was again, still living two different lives while trying 2:28:07.480 --> 2:28:11.520 to go in the right direction and not fall into like, 2:28:11.879 --> 2:28:16.000 fuck that motherfucker. We should hurt him, you know, hurt people, 2:28:16.080 --> 2:28:18.800 hurt people, hurt people helping people. Yeah. So, and the 2:28:18.920 --> 2:28:21.039 thing is is that, you know, again, it goes back 2:28:21.080 --> 2:28:24.960 to um, not pulling myself away from people who will 2:28:25.000 --> 2:28:28.280 happily do damage. There's a person and I'm not again, 2:28:28.320 --> 2:28:30.280 I'm not bringing his name up. He used to run 2:28:30.360 --> 2:28:35.120 this area that we're in right now, and not raw again, 2:28:36.120 --> 2:28:42.039 I am not saying names, but when when that person, 2:28:43.120 --> 2:28:44.880 I mean, I was in this area when Zulu and 2:28:44.959 --> 2:28:48.039 all these guys were Yeah, so so when that person 2:28:48.240 --> 2:28:52.080 heard that somebody was getting sideways with me, that person 2:28:52.240 --> 2:28:55.840 was approached and I can't. I can't have that happening. 2:28:55.920 --> 2:28:58.040 You know, It's like, yo, might duty like you're gonna 2:28:58.080 --> 2:29:03.720 get me some conspiracy charge here? What are you fucking doing? Right? So, yeah, 2:29:04.600 --> 2:29:06.800 it's good to have the ride of dies, but sometimes 2:29:06.840 --> 2:29:09.080 you gotta walk away from that ship because it'll it'll 2:29:09.200 --> 2:29:11.680 kill you. Right, So let me ask you if I 2:29:11.720 --> 2:29:15.120 don't ask you this question about to ask you, you 2:29:15.200 --> 2:29:18.840 know about thirty years maybe forty years ago, probably understand 2:29:19.560 --> 2:29:22.160 exactly what you're gonna say, right, but I'm gonna ask 2:29:22.200 --> 2:29:24.240 you to it right now. If you woke up today, 2:29:25.360 --> 2:29:29.760 right and you had all the hip hop history erased 2:29:29.959 --> 2:29:34.560 and we're just based in Europe from what you heard 2:29:34.600 --> 2:29:39.280 from twenty twenty three on how much of the original 2:29:40.840 --> 2:29:44.120 DNA of hip hop still exists right now me and 2:29:46.080 --> 2:29:49.120 depends on which that action you look at it? Yeah, 2:29:49.200 --> 2:29:52.400 that is the truth. Yeah, Okay, so you just pick 2:29:52.440 --> 2:29:59.960 wishes direction and you want to go. Hip hop is divided. Uh, Yeah, 2:30:00.000 --> 2:30:04.200 of the industry that thinks it's hip hop, but doing 2:30:04.240 --> 2:30:07.040 an element of hip hop could care less about the 2:30:07.120 --> 2:30:09.680 rest and then you have a lot of self righteous 2:30:09.800 --> 2:30:12.840 hip hop heads and we it would be nice if 2:30:12.879 --> 2:30:15.920 we met in the middle somewhere. Okay, self righteous hip 2:30:15.920 --> 2:30:20.080 hop answer? Who? Meaning that anything that this group over 2:30:20.160 --> 2:30:23.200 here does that's into the industry is horrible because the 2:30:23.280 --> 2:30:27.360 com it's commercial. Like I listened to modern shit, you 2:30:27.440 --> 2:30:28.960 know what I mean. I'm not trying to look at 2:30:29.040 --> 2:30:31.480 some new ship as it's not hip hop because it's 2:30:31.480 --> 2:30:33.879 not from my time? Are you with a little busy? 2:30:34.240 --> 2:30:36.680 I fuck with all that he breaks it to. He's 2:30:36.720 --> 2:30:40.560 a b one too. It's like crazy, like I was 2:30:40.600 --> 2:30:43.640 supposed to be in one of his videos and you 2:30:43.760 --> 2:30:47.640 a little together? Yeah one day, one day. He's a 2:30:47.680 --> 2:30:52.360 good brother. But go ahead. But um, I think it's there. 2:30:52.560 --> 2:30:56.360 But I think it's it's divided in a big way, right, 2:30:56.720 --> 2:30:59.560 and I think that that is bad for our community 2:30:59.600 --> 2:31:01.960 because that's why you have this whole other thing of 2:31:02.680 --> 2:31:07.640 uh Latino where the Latinos there are not And it's like, yeah, 2:31:07.680 --> 2:31:10.760 because you divided the elements, you divided the community. And 2:31:12.200 --> 2:31:15.480 what's happened is that hip hop is a commodity that 2:31:15.800 --> 2:31:21.480 is only traded in rap music and then the art, 2:31:22.080 --> 2:31:25.200 the b boys, the DJs, they take it seriously. In 2:31:25.320 --> 2:31:29.400 terms of turntableism, they've all been splintered. We can't point 2:31:29.400 --> 2:31:32.200 where they don't even hip hop. I can't be mass 2:31:32.280 --> 2:31:34.760 produced like a record, so I can't make as much 2:31:34.959 --> 2:31:38.039 right right, So there's a big difference. I don't get 2:31:38.160 --> 2:31:42.119 royalties off of something unless it's a film that I've 2:31:42.160 --> 2:31:44.960 been in. You get royalties every time your record is played, 2:31:45.640 --> 2:31:48.680 So there's a big difference. And think about and think 2:31:48.720 --> 2:31:51.000 about let's let's think about the if you want to 2:31:51.040 --> 2:31:53.560 put it in a conspiracy, who benefits off of the 2:31:53.640 --> 2:31:58.120 splinter the The industry that that monetizes the music cannot 2:31:58.560 --> 2:32:02.560 monetize these other elements. So they said, okay, boom, we 2:32:02.680 --> 2:32:05.920 shed that this is hip hop. But you know what's crazy, 2:32:06.040 --> 2:32:09.880 I brung it up earlier. How much Europe to me 2:32:10.080 --> 2:32:13.000 respects hip hop more If you actually think about it. 2:32:13.800 --> 2:32:17.000 In Europe, the B boy and the DJ is on 2:32:17.160 --> 2:32:20.600 the same level as the MC. Yeah they are, but 2:32:20.640 --> 2:32:23.720 it's on the same level, and that's how to me. No, 2:32:23.840 --> 2:32:26.440 but it's changing, it's changing. It's they're they're changing with 2:32:26.640 --> 2:32:28.640 us too as well. So you meaning that the MC 2:32:28.840 --> 2:32:32.720 is becoming No, no, they're they're becoming more Americanized in 2:32:32.800 --> 2:32:34.840 their view of hip hop. Well, I haven't seen you. 2:32:34.959 --> 2:32:41.040 I haven't been. It's gone with damn, I know, trying 2:32:41.080 --> 2:32:45.160 to get a bag because I don't think it's nothing 2:32:45.240 --> 2:32:47.280 wrong with getting the bag. I no, but we still 2:32:47.360 --> 2:32:50.240 have the integrity list and that's the problem thing. So 2:32:50.760 --> 2:32:53.800 I've been doing these documentaries where I've traveled to different 2:32:53.840 --> 2:32:56.400 countries trying to find hip hop, well, exploring the country 2:32:56.440 --> 2:32:59.000 through hip hop, through the scope of hip hop, and 2:33:00.120 --> 2:33:03.440 every single country, the same thing has been told to me. 2:33:04.200 --> 2:33:11.000 You guys don't do hip hop anymore. You do business. 2:33:12.080 --> 2:33:13.879 You are not you. We don't, We do not look 2:33:13.959 --> 2:33:16.520 to you anymore. Now, these places that used to look 2:33:16.560 --> 2:33:20.440 to themselves as the innovators, as the pioneers, they look 2:33:20.480 --> 2:33:23.840 to themselves and there and their neighbors. Like I went 2:33:23.879 --> 2:33:27.600 to Vietnam, Vietnam looks to Korean Japan and to themselves. 2:33:27.840 --> 2:33:32.480 I went to Colombia. Columbia by itself. Is it's like 2:33:32.720 --> 2:33:38.200 hip hop hip hop? Diego was there too. I think 2:33:38.520 --> 2:33:41.360 the message in hip hop no longer exists from our 2:33:41.440 --> 2:33:45.080 perspective over here, right fuck, you know, like where's the messaging? 2:33:45.120 --> 2:33:48.120 But we still got to what what sucks is that 2:33:48.600 --> 2:33:51.840 hip hop is the number one cultural export of the 2:33:52.000 --> 2:33:55.160 United States to the world, and the United States and 2:33:55.280 --> 2:33:58.920 ourselves do not identify that and make sense of it 2:33:59.040 --> 2:34:01.360 to and make make it a thing that we could 2:34:01.400 --> 2:34:06.240 either monetize or politicize or make it a political thing. 2:34:06.360 --> 2:34:09.039 We just don't use. And the fact that breaking comes 2:34:09.160 --> 2:34:12.200 from the fucking backyard of the United States and not 2:34:12.520 --> 2:34:15.080 one of them has been sponsored who are going to 2:34:15.120 --> 2:34:19.360 the Olympics by anything in the United States shows how 2:34:19.480 --> 2:34:25.480 much regard they have for us. All Right, yeah, we're assholes. 2:34:25.959 --> 2:34:29.440 Well we're fucking shit up. Well, you know what, Um, 2:34:31.440 --> 2:34:33.360 We've been talking about this hip hop union for a 2:34:33.440 --> 2:34:37.600 long time, right, me and E F n Um. When 2:34:37.680 --> 2:34:40.080 we saw this show, it was like, Yo, I forget 2:34:40.120 --> 2:34:42.280 who was sick in hip hop? And it was like, 2:34:42.360 --> 2:34:45.960 wait a minute, the bills wasn't paid or something like that, 2:34:47.000 --> 2:34:48.800 and we were like, yo, hip hop needs a union. 2:34:49.800 --> 2:34:52.880 There's no way you can put in twenty thirty years 2:34:52.959 --> 2:34:56.160 of work, in your case, forty five years of work 2:34:56.800 --> 2:34:59.600 and then you get sick and it should be on 2:34:59.760 --> 2:35:02.600 your family, Like it was only your family to miss, 2:35:03.720 --> 2:35:06.680 you know, Christmas When you was performing in France, there 2:35:06.720 --> 2:35:09.520 was only your family to miss Thanksgiving when you're performing 2:35:09.560 --> 2:35:13.800 in Russia, Like why should your family beer? Why? What 2:35:14.000 --> 2:35:16.480 shouldn't we have a union. It would be nice, but 2:35:16.680 --> 2:35:18.720 until that, no one trusts, no one. I just have 2:35:18.879 --> 2:35:22.080 to operate as you know, I operate as if no 2:35:22.160 --> 2:35:25.280 one owes me anything, and I got to handle my shit. 2:35:25.920 --> 2:35:28.760 I'm responsible for my own relevance and my own finances 2:35:28.840 --> 2:35:31.080 and and how I take care of my own medical 2:35:31.840 --> 2:35:35.000 and if there's something comes where there's a fund for 2:35:35.400 --> 2:35:39.800 people like myself who are pioneers, like if I'm well 2:35:39.879 --> 2:35:42.680 off at the moment, I probably wouldn't accept it because 2:35:42.720 --> 2:35:47.560 there's probably yeah, but no, No. The thing about it is, 2:35:47.920 --> 2:35:52.000 especially you know, um with how we're kind of owning 2:35:52.160 --> 2:35:56.840 our own stuff now like we're actually in the era, 2:35:57.120 --> 2:35:59.640 and especially with a podcast, you know, yeah, I would love, 2:36:00.120 --> 2:36:02.720 you know, you know, to stop talking about it. And 2:36:02.840 --> 2:36:05.320 I would love to like, you know, Joe Budden, well, 2:36:05.400 --> 2:36:08.120 Chuck D. You know, Chuck D. He's created something I 2:36:08.200 --> 2:36:11.680 don't know. Well, let's dare do it. Joe Buden, mallon 2:36:11.760 --> 2:36:15.040 dollars worth of a game, Gillian Willow, you know, Nori 2:36:15.280 --> 2:36:20.040 and efn uh I think we should put up a 2:36:20.080 --> 2:36:23.120 couple of dollars and just put it in a pot 2:36:23.200 --> 2:36:26.400 with it's it's see through, put it in Killer Mike's bank. 2:36:27.640 --> 2:36:31.920 I trust Killer Mike, and I trust this bank, and 2:36:32.040 --> 2:36:36.360 just lead that ship there until. Not to say that 2:36:36.480 --> 2:36:40.640 we want something catastrophic to happen, but if something happens, 2:36:40.680 --> 2:36:44.080 if if, if a little something if. But that's not 2:36:44.200 --> 2:36:46.520 the way it works, man, No, we gotta make it up. No, 2:36:48.040 --> 2:36:50.640 it's not the way it works, Chuck D. I think 2:36:50.680 --> 2:36:53.560 it's kariss ones involved. They got the government involved. You 2:36:53.680 --> 2:36:57.160 need bigger funds to really make a difference. You can't. 2:36:57.200 --> 2:36:59.200 We can't take a couple of podcasts and put a 2:36:59.240 --> 2:37:02.040 couple of dollars in Well, we fucking need the dollars ourselves. 2:37:02.080 --> 2:37:04.480 But we can still empower each other. That's it. That's 2:37:04.520 --> 2:37:07.360 what I'm saying. That's like empowering some some people who 2:37:07.400 --> 2:37:09.960 are representing the United States on the highest level ever. 2:37:10.920 --> 2:37:13.840 Get them six hundred gs or if you could raise 2:37:13.920 --> 2:37:17.200 funds that's what they have. But here's the thing, right, 2:37:19.520 --> 2:37:23.560 a lot of us don't know, don't understand how do 2:37:23.720 --> 2:37:26.360 we do that? Right? Okay? Cool, you said, Chuck D. 2:37:26.520 --> 2:37:29.800 Has an idea. So they did it. They did okay, 2:37:30.200 --> 2:37:32.400 alright investing, and I feel like we should do something right, 2:37:32.640 --> 2:37:34.640 and this is something that I just learned. Right. I 2:37:34.680 --> 2:37:37.400 went to Opus one right, and Opus one I thought 2:37:37.440 --> 2:37:40.879 I knew, which is a great wine. It's a great wine. Right. 2:37:41.120 --> 2:37:43.199 So I went to the factory right, and I really 2:37:43.200 --> 2:37:46.640 thought I knew everything about wine. Right, And he gave 2:37:46.720 --> 2:37:49.280 me the two thousand and eighteen. He gave me the 2:37:49.320 --> 2:37:52.480 two thousand and sixteen, gave me the two thou and 2:37:52.560 --> 2:37:55.360 then no, I did not, but you're you're correct. I 2:37:55.440 --> 2:37:58.000 heard the ninety six. It is fantastic. He didn't have right, 2:37:58.200 --> 2:38:01.320 but I went through it all and I loved him all. 2:38:02.280 --> 2:38:08.160 And then he brung me what was later considered the throwaway. 2:38:09.360 --> 2:38:13.480 All drink it and we all said this is our favorite, right, 2:38:14.560 --> 2:38:17.760 and he said, you know why, it's because that's exactly 2:38:17.840 --> 2:38:19.840 what it is. It's what you want it to be. 2:38:20.800 --> 2:38:23.160 Sometimes we can sit around and just sit around and say, 2:38:23.240 --> 2:38:25.240 let's wait for it to be perfect, and let's wait 2:38:25.280 --> 2:38:27.800 for al Shopton to come over there and do some 2:38:28.000 --> 2:38:30.240 jump ropes with us, and then you know, do it. 2:38:30.400 --> 2:38:32.120 And then sometimes it's just like, let's just do the 2:38:32.280 --> 2:38:34.960 right thing do. The right thing is let's just just 2:38:35.160 --> 2:38:38.200 whatever whatever, and if anything happens, because that's really take 2:38:38.200 --> 2:38:39.600 it as far as you can take. That's really what 2:38:39.720 --> 2:38:42.520 insurance is. It's just in case shit happened, right, So 2:38:42.760 --> 2:38:45.840 just so let's just throw whatever whatever. Maybe we're not 2:38:45.920 --> 2:38:47.600 gonna do it the right way. Maybe we're not, But 2:38:47.800 --> 2:38:52.200 the fact is I will feel fucking awesome knowing that 2:38:52.520 --> 2:38:55.640 a hip hop legend caught a stroke, and for us 2:38:55.840 --> 2:38:59.760 as podcasters, we stepped up and said his family bills 2:39:00.200 --> 2:39:05.200 taking care of that ship. I wouldn't yesterday. I couldn't 2:39:05.240 --> 2:39:07.840 sleep at night. That wouldn't make me sleep at night 2:39:07.920 --> 2:39:10.320 like that. But let me let me tell you this. 2:39:10.480 --> 2:39:12.959 This is you helping yourself. Let me rebuttal you this. However, 2:39:13.000 --> 2:39:14.840 me help myself. I don't plan. Let me let me 2:39:14.920 --> 2:39:16.960 let me give you a rebuttal Okay. If Chuck D, 2:39:17.240 --> 2:39:20.120 who I trust, has always had the best interest of 2:39:20.200 --> 2:39:23.440 hip hop in his heart, if he's leading, he ain't 2:39:23.440 --> 2:39:25.680 come to drink jams. No, but Chuck D ain't reach 2:39:25.760 --> 2:39:34.200 out back. You know something wrong. He should have been here. 2:39:34.320 --> 2:39:38.920 Chuck ddun did wipe me crazy since we reached out, 2:39:39.040 --> 2:39:41.320 he said, he does not do interviews, and all of 2:39:41.360 --> 2:39:44.039 a sudden he's been doing every other and okay, that's 2:39:44.040 --> 2:39:47.600 your so let me let me feed us. Okay. So 2:39:47.840 --> 2:39:51.240 if he's doing something him and there's a coalition of 2:39:51.320 --> 2:39:54.520 people involved and they they're doing it the right way, 2:39:54.879 --> 2:39:57.600 my thing is, let's contribute to what they're doing. Because 2:39:57.600 --> 2:40:02.000 if why they contribute. He's been saying this for seven years, 2:40:02.120 --> 2:40:06.200 hold up the splintering of it everything. People to do this, 2:40:06.360 --> 2:40:08.760 and graph writers do this. Okay, you know what you 2:40:08.959 --> 2:40:11.760 do that, Chuck D. Podcasters do this. Fuck it. We're 2:40:11.760 --> 2:40:13.680 all gonna do it different because it's gonna make me 2:40:13.800 --> 2:40:17.280 feel better. No, bro, contribute to the movement that it's 2:40:17.320 --> 2:40:19.480 gonna do it right the organizations. Because we've been speaking 2:40:19.520 --> 2:40:21.840 this for seven years, and I've been watching and I've 2:40:21.879 --> 2:40:24.879 been watching the fans for seven years. Tag this man 2:40:25.120 --> 2:40:28.440 on Twitter, follow him on Twitter, Chuck D and every 2:40:28.520 --> 2:40:30.840 one of these other people, And guess what, none of 2:40:30.879 --> 2:40:32.680 them have ever hit me on DM. None of them 2:40:32.800 --> 2:40:35.280 have ever pursued that. So I'm tired of waiting for 2:40:35.480 --> 2:40:39.760 our forefathers, our near fathers, with their both fathers. Why 2:40:39.800 --> 2:40:42.040 did they reach out? You mean to tell me you 2:40:42.120 --> 2:40:44.080 mean to tell me, hold on, let's be clear out 2:40:44.120 --> 2:40:45.760 to us to do it. Let's be clear. No, no, 2:40:46.040 --> 2:40:47.320 why did they reach out for us to be a 2:40:47.400 --> 2:40:49.320 part of it? You mean to tell me every time 2:40:49.400 --> 2:40:51.720 they say something or every time something like that with 2:40:51.879 --> 2:40:55.000 a hip hop union is it's brung up. I love 2:40:55.080 --> 2:40:57.080 our fans on Twitter because you know what they say, 2:40:57.320 --> 2:40:59.640 don't You've never been saying this for seven new years, 2:41:00.440 --> 2:41:04.879 for seven years, for seven years, and I'm not willing 2:41:04.920 --> 2:41:06.879 to talk about it no more. I'm willing to put 2:41:07.120 --> 2:41:09.560 the same way I'm willing to invest into Drunken Dragon 2:41:09.600 --> 2:41:11.920 a Hollander, which I'm doing the same way. I'm willing 2:41:11.959 --> 2:41:15.560 to invest in fox Hole, which I'm doing the same way. 2:41:15.560 --> 2:41:18.000 I'm willing to put up a couple of such and such, 2:41:18.160 --> 2:41:20.920 just a hav An account just in case if Maxwell 2:41:21.200 --> 2:41:26.720 fall and break his ankle. Let's help about maybe something. Well, 2:41:26.840 --> 2:41:30.279 I'm sucking around. Here's the thing, here's the thing himself. 2:41:30.400 --> 2:41:34.160 For me as a dancer, there are times when I've 2:41:34.200 --> 2:41:37.000 had insurance and I didn't have insurance right, so whatever 2:41:37.040 --> 2:41:39.520 I had in the bank went towards my surgery. Right. 2:41:40.160 --> 2:41:43.880 So with an hour name. As dancers, we get fucked 2:41:43.959 --> 2:41:47.600 up the most, Yes, and we're all taking care of ourselves. 2:41:48.240 --> 2:41:51.440 Like I've come out of pocket so much money for 2:41:51.560 --> 2:41:53.360 the ship that I do just for the love of 2:41:53.440 --> 2:41:55.880 hip hop. Right, So there's a lot of people out 2:41:55.920 --> 2:41:59.880 there who are representing and I think that's probably like 2:42:00.000 --> 2:42:02.600 the most injuries you know for dance, you know in 2:42:02.800 --> 2:42:08.200 hip hop, but funerals, God bless us, the hip hop 2:42:08.280 --> 2:42:11.120 funerals that you go start to see and you'd be like, damn, 2:42:11.560 --> 2:42:13.480 the shit is not taken care of. That shit is 2:42:13.520 --> 2:42:18.720 like like, that's I mean, and I don't I had 2:42:18.760 --> 2:42:20.320 a rebuttal with you. I don't want you to say 2:42:20.360 --> 2:42:24.600 that I'm disagreement and I'm disagreeing d what he's doing. 2:42:24.959 --> 2:42:27.640 The problem is we're so available, we're so out there, 2:42:27.680 --> 2:42:31.400 and our platform actually exists. Our platform actually exists where 2:42:31.480 --> 2:42:35.120 weekly guess what. Your platform is a force and you 2:42:35.160 --> 2:42:37.560 guess what. Guess what, Chuck and whoever who else is 2:42:37.600 --> 2:42:40.600 doing it. Maybe and Chick is a fan of the platform. 2:42:40.680 --> 2:42:42.760 Maybe he said he's willing to maybe care us, but 2:42:42.840 --> 2:42:44.880 maybe y'all, Maybe y'all didn't want to come here, but 2:42:44.959 --> 2:42:48.320 at least let's promote y'all platform on this platform because 2:42:48.320 --> 2:42:50.840 this is what it's made for. It's made for us, 2:42:51.160 --> 2:42:53.480 because I guess, I guess what. Go ahead and try 2:42:53.520 --> 2:42:55.039 to go to Hot ninety seven. Now they got ninety 2:42:55.040 --> 2:42:58.240 four seven. It beat let's pick up? Uh, Psyche sounds 2:43:01.040 --> 2:43:03.240 like the founds, Miss Jones. I think mister c is 2:43:03.280 --> 2:43:06.800 over there and there. Actually this is another station besides 2:43:06.920 --> 2:43:08.800 Rock the Bells. And I love Rock the Bells, but 2:43:09.000 --> 2:43:11.480 Rock the Bells cannot say that they did not base 2:43:12.120 --> 2:43:15.240 what we were doing awful and we were giving all 2:43:15.400 --> 2:43:21.480 legends their flowers. I think we're still are giving. Really, 2:43:21.879 --> 2:43:25.400 I'm actually an equity owner of Rock the Bells. No, 2:43:29.480 --> 2:43:33.720 they did it, reached out to several of us, and 2:43:34.240 --> 2:43:36.960 they did give us equity in the company. Beautiful. Uh 2:43:37.240 --> 2:43:42.280 so I gotta salute the beautiful doing great things. Yeah, yeah, 2:43:42.360 --> 2:43:44.600 I got nothing. I would never have anything bad to 2:43:44.640 --> 2:43:47.720 say about. Okay, care, rest One and Cares have launched 2:43:47.760 --> 2:43:51.160 the union. All right, cool, I'm mad. Why are you mad? 2:43:51.200 --> 2:43:56.160 Because they should hill at y'all because no, no, I'm saying, 2:43:56.200 --> 2:43:58.920 I understand, but you can't get playing. But I'm not playing. 2:43:59.000 --> 2:44:02.160 The thing about it is, we can't be outdated like 2:44:02.280 --> 2:44:05.280 we can't be sitting around and do something that was 2:44:05.400 --> 2:44:09.720 brought up publicly on this show for seven strong years. 2:44:09.760 --> 2:44:12.959 But we live in an era where nobody even sees everything. Yes, 2:44:13.280 --> 2:44:15.800 but there's someone in his camp, just like George Clinton 2:44:15.879 --> 2:44:18.000 just came here, just Clinton, ain't I could tell he 2:44:18.120 --> 2:44:20.640 never saw an episode of Drink Champs his fucking lights, 2:44:20.720 --> 2:44:24.520 and I loved him anyway. But his grandchildren said, this 2:44:24.680 --> 2:44:26.480 is the place where you posted be true. So you 2:44:26.600 --> 2:44:29.480 mean to tell me that once they set up that campaign, 2:44:29.520 --> 2:44:31.560 they ain't No, it wasn't no one who said Drink 2:44:31.600 --> 2:44:34.200 Chace were saying this ship for seven years. They've been trying, 2:44:34.280 --> 2:44:37.119 They've been waiting. But but but maybe they've been saying 2:44:37.160 --> 2:44:40.600 it for seventeen years. Wen't hear it. I ain't hearing that. 2:44:41.080 --> 2:44:43.160 It's every one of the albums. I'm just saying I 2:44:43.200 --> 2:44:45.840 got everyone albums. We don't got everyone of them. I 2:44:45.879 --> 2:44:48.240 ain't hear we don't know, we don't know. You gotta 2:44:48.240 --> 2:44:54.400 give the benefit. I don't know why he said the 2:44:56.959 --> 2:44:59.720 black but I want me but simple support that. I'm 2:44:59.760 --> 2:45:02.320 not saying I don't support it. I'm saying I have 2:45:02.440 --> 2:45:04.280 no control over that. I have nothing, I have no 2:45:04.360 --> 2:45:07.640 information of that. Cool. You know our engineer just sent 2:45:07.760 --> 2:45:10.600 that to us. Um, this should be front page news. 2:45:13.360 --> 2:45:16.440 It's it's probably the problem is it's not from page news. 2:45:16.680 --> 2:45:19.520 Guess what ours? But guess what it's the media. Guess what, sir, 2:45:19.680 --> 2:45:22.800 case I don't know that every time we drop we're 2:45:22.840 --> 2:45:28.800 fromt page news. Yes, we're from page well cardist. If 2:45:28.840 --> 2:45:31.560 we want it, and sometimes we don't even want it, 2:45:31.640 --> 2:45:34.440 we're doing it. Definitely. It's a lot of times like 2:45:34.520 --> 2:45:37.879 that you say it can do and I'm standing y'all 2:45:39.120 --> 2:45:42.040 it there's a lot of times we don't want front 2:45:42.040 --> 2:45:44.440 spay news. But this is something and that's what we 2:45:44.600 --> 2:45:46.800 care about the community. We care about hit But this, this, 2:45:46.920 --> 2:45:49.120 this is, this is what we have to do. It 2:45:49.280 --> 2:45:51.680 can't like like you said, it can't be a care 2:45:51.800 --> 2:45:56.840 arrest one Chuck d thing, uh and a crazy leg 2:45:56.879 --> 2:45:59.600 stay rock steady thing and then a drink Champs thing. 2:45:59.760 --> 2:46:01.760 Oh okay, cool, maybe it's not a drink Champ thing. 2:46:01.840 --> 2:46:04.400 We all need to we say podcasting, we'll handle it 2:46:04.480 --> 2:46:07.440 all part because we couldn't handle it because absolutely, if 2:46:07.480 --> 2:46:09.720 we could have, we would have did it seven years ago. 2:46:10.000 --> 2:46:12.600 So let's just do to the people we know that 2:46:13.240 --> 2:46:17.039 uh uh, Joe Button is happy from it's from doing 2:46:17.120 --> 2:46:19.280 what he's doing. We know that a million dollars worth 2:46:19.360 --> 2:46:21.400 a game. These are people that we can come and 2:46:21.520 --> 2:46:24.240 talk to and say, listen, let's just maybe it's a 2:46:24.360 --> 2:46:28.160 podcast fund. Maybe Chuck d in them is the Jerry 2:46:28.200 --> 2:46:32.240 Lewis telling it's the rap and then and then. But 2:46:32.320 --> 2:46:34.760 the thing is sitting around and doing nothing and sitting around, 2:46:34.879 --> 2:46:37.240 just sitting around and sitting around and sitting around. It 2:46:37.400 --> 2:46:39.360 makes us seem like we're just talking. But I don't 2:46:39.360 --> 2:46:41.119 want to talk to the people doing sometimes I don't 2:46:41.120 --> 2:46:43.080 want to see if we can fit in. If we can't, 2:46:43.080 --> 2:46:45.000 then we don't. At the end of the day, we 2:46:45.040 --> 2:46:48.560 don't feel starts out the needs. You raise the funds 2:46:48.640 --> 2:46:51.560 and you put that into and I agree with you. 2:46:51.640 --> 2:46:54.400 Said you said raise the funds. That's also that's also 2:46:54.480 --> 2:46:57.800 what we're doing. And not only that. We want to 2:46:57.879 --> 2:47:01.040 give back said it should be something like that, But 2:47:01.160 --> 2:47:05.000 we give back so much beautiful things that we obtain. 2:47:05.680 --> 2:47:08.480 And it's not the yst about financials and riches. It's 2:47:08.480 --> 2:47:12.200 about okay, man, yeah, look at that ship. Look at 2:47:12.240 --> 2:47:15.280 the look that's George Clinton artwork. He did that right. 2:47:16.360 --> 2:47:20.920 He came George. That's all. I got a George Clinton story. 2:47:20.959 --> 2:47:24.120 But I can't say this. What's the other artist's name? 2:47:24.120 --> 2:47:28.520 I want to give him Jonas? Yeah, with George Clinton, 2:47:28.520 --> 2:47:30.560 they both did. Let's give us that George Clinton story. 2:47:30.680 --> 2:47:35.760 Let's go. It's acid involved that I'm thinking about. It 2:47:35.959 --> 2:47:40.240 was he opened about shit like that. Yeah, that's open. 2:47:42.080 --> 2:47:45.880 So it was like a zoo anniversary and I'm over here, like, 2:47:46.120 --> 2:47:49.600 you know, I'm thinking, you know, nothing but the dog 2:47:49.760 --> 2:47:51.440 and me is in the back, you know what I'm like. 2:47:51.959 --> 2:47:54.280 And then all of a sudden, like I'm taking him 2:47:54.320 --> 2:47:56.480 to uh, I had to drop off at his hotel 2:47:56.520 --> 2:48:00.280 as a favor, and he just started like you up 2:48:00.280 --> 2:48:05.320 a little packet in the bag. And I hear, Yo, 2:48:05.760 --> 2:48:08.600 this motherfucker's wild in my car right now. Ain't nothing 2:48:08.680 --> 2:48:12.840 but the dog. Yeah, yeah, you were like, I could 2:48:12.840 --> 2:48:16.440 have sold it to him, all stuck him up. I 2:48:16.520 --> 2:48:20.880 never sold that though, balls. No, I bought something to 2:48:21.080 --> 2:48:31.840 oh yeah to my memory is good? You that like hustle. 2:48:33.480 --> 2:48:37.520 I wasn't a dealer, my boy. Oh my god, yo, man, 2:48:37.920 --> 2:48:40.760 razy legs man, let me just tell you something. Your 2:48:40.920 --> 2:48:44.880 legend of a leg abolutely um we we we We 2:48:45.120 --> 2:48:48.720 clearly made this show for people like you, Um, hip 2:48:48.800 --> 2:48:51.160 hop fifty. I know you kind of said you didn't 2:48:51.200 --> 2:48:53.280 agree with hip hop being fifty. You said forty seven, 2:48:53.320 --> 2:48:55.240 but I'll stand with it. You're standing with it, will 2:48:55.280 --> 2:48:57.119 stand with it, stand with it. And in your opinion, 2:48:57.160 --> 2:49:00.280 you said forty seven, forty eight, forty eight, forty which 2:49:00.280 --> 2:49:02.160 is two years off and that's you know, we're pretty 2:49:02.240 --> 2:49:08.720 much all Druggs. Yeah, so it's like, goody two years. 2:49:08.760 --> 2:49:11.120 You might have crap because the aid you never know, 2:49:11.600 --> 2:49:14.960 but that was because two year years for the ecstasy. 2:49:15.080 --> 2:49:18.520 It's like it's gone. But we want you to know 2:49:18.640 --> 2:49:23.480 your legend hip hop owes you uh, and not just 2:49:23.680 --> 2:49:27.959 be boying you know, because um, you know it's crazy, 2:49:28.080 --> 2:49:31.320 like you look at these records. Now, these records have 2:49:31.440 --> 2:49:34.520 a dance to go with the record. Yeah, yes, dance 2:49:34.680 --> 2:49:37.680 is still there. But for me, I've always felt like 2:49:37.879 --> 2:49:41.280 I'm hip hoppy for I'm a B boy because when 2:49:41.320 --> 2:49:44.160 I got into the game, I saw I witness everything 2:49:44.280 --> 2:49:48.080 happening without any kind of label over it. It was 2:49:48.160 --> 2:49:50.600 just what was happening, like a girl doing double ditch. 2:49:50.760 --> 2:49:52.960 You lived it, you know, it was you were it yeah. 2:49:53.040 --> 2:49:55.560 So for me, I'm always hip, hoppy form a B 2:49:56.000 --> 2:50:01.760 B boy, But we want to show you love. There's 2:50:01.800 --> 2:50:06.840 anything you regret before you got out there? Um not 2:50:07.000 --> 2:50:11.480 finishing school old shit, definitely da I was on that path. 2:50:11.640 --> 2:50:14.160 I ended up in Hunter College, and I used to 2:50:15.680 --> 2:50:19.040 know the Hunter College is on sixties seventh Street. And 2:50:19.560 --> 2:50:22.360 you never went to the Bronx Yeah, no, I'm talking 2:50:22.360 --> 2:50:25.120 about college. No, well, I did go to Bronx Community 2:50:25.120 --> 2:50:27.520 for a minute. Then I switched to Hunter College and 2:50:27.600 --> 2:50:32.560 then um me and this dude, um am I forget 2:50:32.680 --> 2:50:35.520 his name, God not to rock the other one that 2:50:35.600 --> 2:50:38.880 hates him, Ben Diesel. We used to go to Hunter 2:50:38.959 --> 2:50:42.120 College together. We used to hang out. Yeah, we used 2:50:42.120 --> 2:50:45.960 to you have been dies went to school together. Yeah college. 2:50:45.959 --> 2:50:49.800 Did you almost forget you went to fucking college with Diesel? 2:50:49.879 --> 2:50:52.920 Did you almost forget that? Yeah? Your life is dope. 2:50:52.959 --> 2:50:57.400 Make some noise for that. But he used to be 2:50:57.440 --> 2:51:00.240 a B boy. He was a B boy first. Yeah, 2:51:00.240 --> 2:51:02.840 he told be boy first what he needed to come 2:51:02.840 --> 2:51:04.680 to dreams? What has he been or these at the 2:51:04.760 --> 2:51:12.840 time he was Ben. Yeah, he was just oh, come on, bro, 2:51:13.040 --> 2:51:15.120 let's lead. So we used to hang out in in 2:51:15.200 --> 2:51:18.360 a cafeteria Hunter College and try to pick up on 2:51:18.400 --> 2:51:21.920 a girl's playing space from New York. Yeah, oh I 2:51:22.040 --> 2:51:31.720 didn't know that, but yeah, I mean, you know, hopefully 2:51:32.280 --> 2:51:35.440 all this stuff in detail. We all working on a 2:51:36.440 --> 2:51:39.480 couple of films right now, me and Fat Joe and 2:51:39.600 --> 2:51:46.160 E Frivera working on a Latino contribution in hip hop documentary. Um, 2:51:47.280 --> 2:51:49.560 you know more more you guys can get dream Champs 2:51:49.560 --> 2:51:51.360 involved in. Yeah, of course. I mean we want to 2:51:51.400 --> 2:51:53.800 definitely do it as something that's educational. We don't want 2:51:53.800 --> 2:51:57.360 to cause more divide, just provide data. Yeah, we want 2:51:57.360 --> 2:52:01.000 to provide data for people and say yo boom. If 2:52:01.040 --> 2:52:05.959 you're not sure this is where and when and now, 2:52:06.000 --> 2:52:07.680 if you want to be an asshole, that's up to you, 2:52:08.520 --> 2:52:11.280 you know. And so there's that, and then we're doing 2:52:11.320 --> 2:52:16.200 the rock Steady documentary right now, which is all going 2:52:16.280 --> 2:52:21.160 to be from my perspective, and then there's a few 2:52:21.200 --> 2:52:24.960 other things on the table. We'll see what happens as 2:52:24.959 --> 2:52:28.600 synonymous with Zulu is it no one, No, not at all. 2:52:28.680 --> 2:52:32.320 We're all own thing, okay, yeah yeah, so yeah, so 2:52:32.440 --> 2:52:34.200 there's a lot of good shit, you know. For me, 2:52:34.360 --> 2:52:38.160 it's about my festival in Puerto Rico working on these 2:52:38.240 --> 2:52:41.800 films and then um a lot of relief work, but 2:52:42.000 --> 2:52:44.640 expanding beyond Puerto Rico because with all the shit that 2:52:44.840 --> 2:52:47.520 that just happened in Turkey, I felt like, wow, I 2:52:47.680 --> 2:52:51.320 know how to bring people, you know, the opportunity to 2:52:51.400 --> 2:52:55.680 have clean water. I know what that takes. But you know, 2:52:55.840 --> 2:52:58.200 then you need to start needing more financial resources to 2:52:58.280 --> 2:53:00.640 make that happen. You've seen the dude and I've mentioned 2:53:00.840 --> 2:53:02.520 and I'm sorry I don't know the guy's name right now, 2:53:02.560 --> 2:53:05.080 and I mentioned him before. He has the machine that 2:53:05.360 --> 2:53:09.800 extracts air yeah into clear water from the United States. 2:53:10.200 --> 2:53:13.840 Like that, dude is incredible. We did I mean we man, 2:53:13.959 --> 2:53:18.160 we did ship and he's donating his machines to Tesla 2:53:18.320 --> 2:53:22.280 Costa was donating a bunch of shit too, Eli, Yeah, 2:53:22.440 --> 2:53:28.680 he donated you know. Yeah, so they during Hurricane Maria days, 2:53:30.160 --> 2:53:33.040 there's just one community that we went to where their 2:53:33.280 --> 2:53:35.959 their source of water was like two three hundred feet 2:53:36.000 --> 2:53:39.640 down and there was this really old nineteen seventy three 2:53:40.680 --> 2:53:44.119 a diesel generator that the US government dropped off during 2:53:44.160 --> 2:53:48.480 the hurricane like here, figure it out. And Tesla donated 2:53:48.520 --> 2:53:51.119 these batteries that would generate the water three hundred feet 2:53:51.200 --> 2:53:55.280 up to a community of eight hundred families. Yeah, yeah, 2:53:55.400 --> 2:54:00.440 wow we helped. Yeah, well, Eli doing his thing or 2:54:01.200 --> 2:54:03.800 is all right? Yeah, all right with the y'aller he 2:54:03.879 --> 2:54:07.920 let me go crazy on Twitter, wild boy, I'm just 2:54:08.080 --> 2:54:11.959 playing man, yo, crazy legs. Man, I'm gonna be honest. Man, 2:54:12.200 --> 2:54:14.880 you rock steady. You know, all the things that you 2:54:14.959 --> 2:54:18.720 contributed to hip hop will be remorse to not you know, 2:54:18.959 --> 2:54:22.360 always throw flowers that you can, always you know, respect 2:54:22.440 --> 2:54:25.280 what you're doing. I'd like, you know, I enjoy this 2:54:25.480 --> 2:54:27.920 when I when I get the pioneers, when I get 2:54:27.959 --> 2:54:30.360 the legends, when I get the icons, and I just 2:54:30.480 --> 2:54:32.640 explore their history. Like I said, for a month, I've 2:54:32.680 --> 2:54:34.800 just been walking around like you, like I don't know. 2:54:34.959 --> 2:54:36.800 That's why my big boy, you see, my big boy 2:54:36.840 --> 2:54:43.040 he fell because we were thinking about you know what 2:54:43.040 --> 2:54:47.760 I mean, Like man, be boying me learning be boying 2:54:47.800 --> 2:54:50.760 and break dancing. It's two different things. Be learning that 2:54:50.879 --> 2:54:55.560 break dancing is actually frowned upon word. And yes it's 2:54:55.560 --> 2:54:58.560 frowned upon. But now you know, but it's crazy me 2:54:58.600 --> 2:55:01.920 even learning that. But breaking it is not right? Are 2:55:01.959 --> 2:55:04.119 you saying breakdance? It's kind of like when you say 2:55:04.160 --> 2:55:06.600 south Side, you just say south Side. You don't say, yeah, 2:55:06.640 --> 2:55:12.080 we're gonna go saus dancing. So um man, we just 2:55:12.200 --> 2:55:15.080 want to tell you man, our show was based on, 2:55:15.320 --> 2:55:18.320 you know, giving legends. And you know, people that's been 2:55:18.360 --> 2:55:21.359 in this game for more than ten years, they flowers 2:55:21.400 --> 2:55:26.120 because you know, they's just face it. Hip hop is 2:55:26.200 --> 2:55:30.960 the only age is M music yea, there is yeah 2:55:31.240 --> 2:55:34.040 Pink Floyd and you know all these other people can 2:55:34.120 --> 2:55:36.520 go you know as why I said Gene Simmons earlier 2:55:36.720 --> 2:55:38.440 to do with the tongue, right, you know what I mean? 2:55:38.560 --> 2:55:40.760 Like people don't even know he's old because he hadn't 2:55:40.800 --> 2:55:43.320 make up his old face, so goddamn time and he 2:55:43.400 --> 2:55:45.880 can go and go all and he can do this 2:55:46.320 --> 2:55:49.640 and no one says he's washed up. But they don't 2:55:49.680 --> 2:55:52.119 have elements either. And that's the difference between hip hop 2:55:52.160 --> 2:55:55.240 as well. Yeah, well we gotta they're just music and drugs. 2:55:55.520 --> 2:55:58.040 We got everything. We gotta. We gotta figure the fuck 2:55:58.080 --> 2:56:01.240 out because the last time I checked, you know, if 2:56:01.320 --> 2:56:04.480 you take a good meal and you season it correctly 2:56:04.879 --> 2:56:07.879 and you put it in there the fridge, you get 2:56:07.959 --> 2:56:09.920 it out three days later and you take that out 2:56:10.040 --> 2:56:13.840 well marinated. Good. But you know what you're thinking about that? 2:56:14.360 --> 2:56:18.960 You know what that's called seasoned. Yeah, that's what the 2:56:19.640 --> 2:56:23.400 technically hip hop if it's if hip hop is about 2:56:23.440 --> 2:56:28.560 fifty years old, it's just realizing its own wisdom. It's 2:56:28.640 --> 2:56:31.680 the double seeking in I think. I think if it 2:56:31.760 --> 2:56:34.960 were a human being at fifty, you know, a lot 2:56:35.000 --> 2:56:38.600 of us are coming to terms our own remorse, regrets, 2:56:39.280 --> 2:56:41.160 all kinds of ship. And at fifty years old, you're 2:56:41.200 --> 2:56:46.520 still busting nuts. Holla. The individual can come up with 2:56:46.600 --> 2:56:49.760 those things. But when you've been hijacked by corporations, yeah, 2:56:50.080 --> 2:56:53.280 it's a whole other mixed beans. Enough of us are 2:56:53.320 --> 2:56:55.960 still alive to make shit right, you know, or at 2:56:56.000 --> 2:56:58.160 least planted seeds. We may not see it, or at 2:56:58.200 --> 2:57:00.680 least I mean, we can't do it for the sake 2:57:00.720 --> 2:57:04.800 of seeing it in our lifetime, because that's unrealistic, you know. 2:57:05.600 --> 2:57:08.440 So we have to just plant the seeds and hopefully 2:57:08.440 --> 2:57:10.600 that ship works into something for somebody else later on. 2:57:10.920 --> 2:57:13.240 I think it will. I'm good with that. I think 2:57:13.240 --> 2:57:17.560 we're doing it. Ain't about me, ain't about us. I 2:57:17.680 --> 2:57:22.240 like the back of it works, yo, man, Thank so, 2:57:22.440 --> 2:57:29.400 thank you appreciate that there. Thank you for I'm not 2:57:29.440 --> 2:57:32.560 gonna stop drinking. I'm gonna keep going and do some 2:57:32.720 --> 2:57:35.840 drops and then be good. I'll be over the holy shit. 2:57:35.959 --> 2:57:39.480 Yeah go to the back. Yeah yeah, yeah, go ahead. 2:57:40.959 --> 2:57:47.760 Great episode. 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