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Speaker 1: Make Some Now. When ME and e FN started the show,

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Speaker 1: we looked at each other and we said, there's so

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Speaker 1: many other platforms for new artists and for new outlets

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Speaker 1: people who have been doing this. When I was researching

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Speaker 1: this brother that we were about to introduce, they said

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Speaker 1: that he started doing his thing in seventy seven. I said,

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Speaker 1: holy hit. I said, yeah, I was born. This motherfucker

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Speaker 1: has been literally doing it my whole life. Literally, He's

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Speaker 1: a person that if you're Puerto Rican and you know

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Speaker 1: how to dance, or if you just a hip hop

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Speaker 1: if you are a hip hop period and you have

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Speaker 1: a hip hop dance, I don't care what it is.

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Speaker 1: It could be the stinky lag. It comes from him.

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Speaker 1: He was the first person that made people and I

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Speaker 1: the windmill. It's like talking to Michael Jackson right now.

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Speaker 1: We are happy, a static, vigorous, enthusiastic to have a

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Speaker 1: when he walked down the street, literally because his feet

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Speaker 1: he told about the one the only motherfucker crazy. May

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Speaker 1: you represent me at my funeral? So you know what

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Speaker 1: was one of the craziest things is no pun intend

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Speaker 1: uh me seeing you on Letterman right like, um, I'm

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, I didn't see be

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Speaker 1: we were there because of Flashdance, So yeah, that was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: sucking go all out today because I don't give anyone.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go. We wrote, we get set up

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Speaker 1: tonight before. We're like, oh shit, how are we gonna

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Speaker 1: What y'all was on my right? Now? Everybody did assid? Why?

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Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, but a lot of people don't see

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Speaker 1: This was the first tour, but it was in America, right, No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: So there was two tours. There was one. Oh sorry.

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Speaker 1: so graffiti Rock was a curated show at a place

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Speaker 1: Every child Fire told me that five to Fat five Friday,

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Speaker 1: There's nobody rapping on this tour, is there. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bond ball Room acts to Seagar Ride, Yeah, all stuff,

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Speaker 1: the dancers and the graffiti artists and the DJs were

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Speaker 1: let me. I don't want to get back to this subject,

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Speaker 1: but fear of me if you can. Right, we know

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Speaker 1: the five elements right of hip hop? Right, then hip

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Speaker 1: hop starts to change, right. Get these corporations they come

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Speaker 1: in some music of hip hop down, some don't. But

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Speaker 1: this was about maybe ten years ago. Being Capale, we

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Speaker 1: go to Europe and I would get where we're at

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Speaker 1: and they would smell like old school crylns. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry for y'all, young innocent here break hand yeah, And

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Speaker 1: did at their hip hop clubs every and this was, this,

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Speaker 1: it abroad people want to embrace the hip hop and

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Speaker 1: It's it's probably like one of the slowest moving paces

423
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: out of any gentrification in the world. Right, and you

424
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: live in Puerto Rico. Now I have a place in

425
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, and I also stay have my place. Okay,

426
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: all right, my back. You know what's crazy. I've recently

427
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: um because I had too much sponsibilities in Puerto Rico

428
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: at one point, like just just being out there trying

429
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: to make the music and just but I recently just

430
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: went out there and I fell back in love with

431
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico like this as soon as you and what

432
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: was going on with the Puerto Rico Relief that the initiative,

433
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: you're yeah, oh oh wow, it's crazy because there's certain

434
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: things I can't talk about that because we found loopholes

435
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 1: in terms of how to get supplies legally into into

436
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico legally, but you know, the system would change

437
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: if we if I talked about it, and they probably

438
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: put a block. There's a lot of political roadblocks to

439
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: get This is bullshit. It's all about money. But you know,

440
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: I've always felt like, number one, if I felt like,

441
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: if I was going to contribute to any kind of

442
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: tax environment, I'd rather buy something in Puerto Rico. Started

443
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: with that, I ended up realizing that, Okay, well there's

444
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: a lot of dysfunction within Puerto Rican history because of colonization,

445
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: and if there's something that I could do to help

446
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: people move forward, let me do it. But then you

447
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: have it. It's in the line of disasters, you know,

448
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: hurricanes and all that stuff, and you know, growing up

449
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: poor and see my people struggle that that hit me hard.

450
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: So you know, I went down there. Rebull helped me

451
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: out to U going, you know, get a couple of

452
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: private planes of supplies to go down there. I helped

453
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: bringing water, right, Yeah, I did water filtration systems with

454
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: organism Nation called Waste for Water, where we enabled two

455
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people to have access to turning their water

456
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: into clean water. This is when Trump was stolen them.

457
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: Ye yes, yes, yes. And then you know earthquakes. I

458
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: mean we've we've raised a lot of money, we've uh,

459
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: we had an earthquake tool yeah yeah, that was in

460
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: between Fiona and Maria. Get the funk out of here.

461
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: And that's crazy. Now here's a wild shit. Yeah. So

462
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: when you're going into an earth Japanese whiskey, we will

463
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: see it. I don't know, yeah yeah, hell yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, yeah,

464
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. Yeah yeah. So yeah, and you

465
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: had an earthquake. Yeah, there's an earthquake. And and here's

466
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: a crazy he says, like you could grow up in

467
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: the hood and feel threatened and get something to protect yourself,

468
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: But when you're going into a ground zero of an

469
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: earthquake situation, I don't care how hard you are, what

470
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: you've been through, you have no defense, right, and you

471
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: know you're driving right to ground zero, and you gotta

472
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: make the choice like, all right, well, this is how

473
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: I die. And but the bigger picture is somebody got

474
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: to go there, right, And those are the choices we

475
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: make when we go into disaster areas, Like I could

476
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: die today and I'm okay with that. And you're saying

477
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico was considered a disaster area at that time. Yeah,

478
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: every time there's aye, so why like you was so resilient,

479
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: this is this is was crazy right, Well it's considered

480
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: American property, colony, colony, colony. Yeah, but we technically Puerto Rico,

481
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: the state technically Puerto Rico is under military rule, meaning

482
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: meaning it was taken by force during the Spanish American

483
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: War right after the Spanish is left like eight days.

484
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: The United States said, is that why Lois is black?

485
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: Black people? To me? And Lois no Puerto Ricos. Puerto

486
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: Ricans were originally black b Yeah that talk. Yeah, I mean,

487
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, you know, dark skin, you know, and it's

488
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the reason why my hair when my

489
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: hair grows, my hair grows into an affro. No product needed,

490
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: right you know. But that's that's in US. So Um,

491
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: like when even when people talking about the debate of

492
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: like Puerto Ricans and hip hop and all that, you know, No,

493
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe

494
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: Joe has said, hold on, it's because your motherfuckers some

495
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: crazy best Joe. Um, I'm forty five, Joe is I

496
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: think a couple of years and I think you're like

497
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: ten years fifty seven, fifty seven, okay, so what's that

498
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: Joe's like? So for those that don't know, not only

499
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: were you know, Puerto Ricans involved with the making of

500
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: the music and the throwing of the jams. When it

501
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: comes to how people and there's a couple of Latinos,

502
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: there might have been some too in every element of

503
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: hip hop, like because you know it's fucked up, Just

504
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: go for it, bro, because I kids nowadays think hip

505
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: hop started with Biggie and Tupop And what's fucked up

506
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: is they don't go back in their research, but they'll

507
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: have on a pair of Jordan's where he didn't play

508
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: forty years ago. Right, how the fuck you making money

509
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: off of this? And you don't know your history, but

510
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: you know Jordan's. Jordan didn't give not one of us

511
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: a free pass yet. But this is our mental colonization. Man.

512
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: Do you know when it comes to like people trying

513
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: to figure out the history or the anniversary date of

514
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: hip hop, which is man suspect right that that date

515
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: the year's suspect. It's like Christmas, Like nobody ready Christmas. Yeah,

516
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: it's exactly like that. And the thing is that people

517
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: have gotten so comfortable with a narrative or the romanticizing

518
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: of a particular story or perspective that they're taking that

519
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: as absolute. But there's enough data out there to cross

520
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: reference and be like, well, geographically time, it's just impossible

521
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: for certain things that have happened. And if you're looking

522
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: at a flyer and then another person in that same

523
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: flyer that says I didn't even know him that year?

524
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: How am I? How am I on this flyer? This

525
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: flyer's fake. So there's doctored flyers to to make up

526
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: the history of him. I'm gonna say it right now. Fuck, yeah, yeah,

527
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: there is. But I do understand that we have to

528
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: come to a consensus where it's like, all right, well,

529
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: we got to celebrate something at some point, but but

530
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: it just shouldn't be based off of a comfortable lie.

531
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: Because if you're looking at all the archives that are

532
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: being acquired by Cornell, Harvard, all these places, is when

533
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: they start cross referencing, they're gonna be like, oh, that's

534
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: a lie. That's a lie. This person lived here at

535
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: this point, he went to that school and all sort

536
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. And then even on the Puerto Rican and

537
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: black things. It's like if you're looking at Disco Mario,

538
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: this guy texts Hollywood I believe his name is, and

539
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: cou Hirk being those absolute first DJs. Look, if you

540
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: were back down back then, no one would know you're Latino,

541
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: and there would be no reason for them to know

542
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: you're Latino because we just lived amongst each other. Your problems,

543
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: my problem. When we get pulled by the costs, we're

544
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: getting pulled together in the bronx. So it doesn't matter

545
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: whether you're black, Puerto Rican, or whatever. So for you,

546
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: your background is what I'm black and Puerto Rican. Okay,

547
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: So never had no need to say that back then,

548
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: Disco King Mario black and Puerto Rican text Hollywood, Puerto Rican.

549
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: But they look like you. And that's the thing that

550
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people who grow up in areas that

551
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: are segregated don't understand. In New York, we're to stacked

552
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: up on each other. We lock arms with each other.

553
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: You know you're protesting. I protesting with you, and a

554
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: lot of places aren't unified community. I heard you say

555
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: something real, real important. You said if you was to

556
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: take away I think you said Porter weekends. So if

557
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: you take away Porter weekends in hip hop. If you

558
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: take away Joe Conso's photos that's in hip hop, the

559
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: whole story of hip hop becomes very difficult to tell

560
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: because he's the first one, and he's from within the

561
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: hip hop community to actually document what he was doing,

562
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, with just the environment. And he was a

563
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: little chubby kid. I didn't even know him back then,

564
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: but he just picked up a camera and started documenting.

565
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: If you removed all of Joe Conso's photos, everything that

566
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: we look at as iconic photos from the seventies, they'd

567
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: be all gone because there's no one else. I think

568
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: the reason why people even dispute this debate is because

569
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: because they're stupid, because look, they're the young, stupid divisionists

570
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: or don't come from our area and don't understand how

571
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: black and Latinos in New York we fucking rolled different.

572
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah we were not. I'm sorry, like to me, to

573
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: my brothers, I don't give a fuck, Like we've never

574
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: had to have this discussion, right because it's like, Yo,

575
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: your beef is my beef. Let's go. But you can

576
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: see how like a person from uh like East Los Angeles, Yeah,

577
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: because they're they're so segregated, segregated and there, and then

578
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: it's like places like Chicago as well, like where it's

579
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: nothing but porter. Yeah, but still still it's still segregated.

580
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: Like when I go to you know why I got

581
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: the flag. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I

582
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: love to go there. But I always remember, like some

583
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: of my black friends don't like it, like they'd be like,

584
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but even in the hotel, even those segregated

585
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: areas will tell you that historically hip hop was the

586
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: thing to bring everybody together. Yes, okay, even in those areas,

587
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: it was still happening, right yeah, and you know, um

588
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: when you're looking at it, like look, I went along

589
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: in the nineties when I started to move around again.

590
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I went to San Diego and there was a sister

591
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: in the gas stage something like yeah, give me whatever,

592
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm pump whatever. And she looks at me like, where

593
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: are you from? And I'm like, she mean where I'm from?

594
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: Because she could smell the New York on you. Yeah, yeah,

595
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: I said, I'm from New York. She goes because you

596
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: don't sound like no Mexican. Yeah, I mean that's what

597
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna She goes, you black. I'm like, I got

598
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: that in me. But you know, Puerto Rican and we

599
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: mixed like that. You know what a Puerto Rican was

600
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: or this? No she didn't know what putocan. Yeah, no, kid,

601
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: you not. If you pass passed Virginia sometimes it changes.

602
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: It's still Latinos, but it changes to a different type

603
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, of course, yes. And you know this,

604
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: it's crazy. You know, Dominican is everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I

605
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: was in Switzerland and they had a fucking Dominican restaurant.

606
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I said, the price was crazy anywhere, bro, I don't

607
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: even think anybody in Dominican the Dominican restaurant. And you know,

608
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: I want to be fine forget because I wanted to

609
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: just shout out. This is organization UM called the Elijah

610
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: Project in Rhode Island and it's black and Latino owned,

611
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: and you know, we're starting a huge initiative in Puerto

612
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: Rico as well as areas in the United States where

613
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: we're going to really reach out to people in different

614
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: communities of need and deliver furniture, appliances, all kinds of

615
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: stuff and also have a nice partnership with Amazon where

616
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: they're giving me budgets to find to source out people

617
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: in desperate need as a result of disasters, and we're

618
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: just you know, no politics, no religion involved, just humanity,

619
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: like just helping people someways helping you just want to

620
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: give them some love. Oh yeah, flowers. Well it's crazy.

621
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: We want you to know. Our show was about giving

622
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: people they flowers. I had so much fun researching and

623
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, into your life and we wanted to personally,

624
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: face to face, give you your flowers because you're deserve it.

625
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: Oh there, you go right over the beds. But let

626
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: me give you something then. Okay, cool, let's go. I

627
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: got something right here. I'm throwing my glasses because of

628
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: old So my man Mayor one thirty nine, who's here.

629
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: He was also in Star Wars. Okay, wow, hell yeah

630
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: he is. He's the one actually the person who designed

631
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: the BT Award as a yeah, we haven't gotten it yet,

632
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: which we we wanted. We didn't get it. I can

633
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: open it right, hopefully this pops off right. This is

634
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: a little present for the show. Anything anything boys to

635
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: represent be boys and Vegas to make sure there's always

636
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: some B boy Vegan representation. And if you can tell

637
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: me what I'm missing over what am I doing? You

638
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: can come over here. If you want, yeah, please please, Yeah,

639
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: it's something that's supposed to jump off with. But this

640
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: is the authenticity of it. Wow, I believe that's your

641
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: music for your show. Sorry? Oh shit, Oh that right

642
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: on the table. Yea, that is amazing. Make sure wind

643
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: up like another award. Yeah. No. Diversity of the culture

644
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: in the language. Absolutely, Yes, he's an original too, thank you, brother.

645
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: He was probably into hip I don't know if he

646
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: was into hip hop before me, but maybe around at

647
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: the same time. Now that we didn't even call it

648
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: hip hop until like eighty two, and a lot of

649
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: people don't understand when you get into that. Yeah, so

650
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: in eighty two, So how is hip hop fifty then?

651
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: Because you're saying it's blitz? Is it? It's fifty because

652
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, some of the elders don't want to stir

653
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: the waters, and I get it. But in fifty years

654
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: from now, when we're all dead, some person's gonna cross

655
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: cross reference and be like, this is wrong, this is

656
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: all So you're so you're saying hip hop eighty two,

657
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: So what you put it? I'm put it this way.

658
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: The people on that that first flyer and a lot

659
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: of people are gonna be really upset with me for this.

660
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: There are certain people on that flyer who said I

661
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: didn't even know cou Hirk on that day. I didn't

662
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: meet cool Hirk until two years later. And that flyer

663
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: only showed up ten years ago. And what fly is this?

664
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: So the famous flyers posted they're supposed to be the

665
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: first jam Now, now whose name is on this? Yam? DJ?

666
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: Clark Kent, the original Clark Kent, Tommy something. I forgot

667
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: his name, um cool Hurk. But Clark Kent didn't know

668
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: cou Hirk until two years later. Based on what he said,

669
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: he had him twenty five And there's a whole bunch

670
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: of stuff like you know, a lot of people think

671
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: cool her started breakbeats. No it was a dude name stop.

672
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no. But here's the thing,

673
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: I'll get to the good ship. A guy named John Brown,

674
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: that's his name. He's DJ at a club and cou

675
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: Hirk went there. And I have coul Hirk's first interview,

676
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: so I got the data, I got the receipts. So

677
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: in there he says he saw this dude named John

678
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Brown spending at this club in the Bronx and then

679
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: he was inspired. Now the thing is that, yeah, he

680
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: inspired HERK, but HERK inspired the other people who really

681
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: elevated and evolved everything into a different lane. So I

682
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: would never take anything away from cool Hirk's contribution, but

683
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna embellish it. And even without the embellishment,

684
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: he's still creaming a crop when it comes to the music.

685
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: So because that's the one thing I feel like everyone

686
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: hip hop kind of agrees with that Cool Hirk is

687
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: the father. But he wasn't call the father of hip

688
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: hop until Bambia told everyone to stop calling himself the

689
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: father of hip hop. He told people, yo, don't call

690
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: him Bamba, right, every we all used to call Bamboo

691
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: father of hip hop? But why is that? Because Bamboo

692
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: is the one who corralled the streets of hoods and

693
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: the black maids and bringing out all the well I

694
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: mean just in terms of like you know, if you

695
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: if you threw a Zoom Nation jam, you'll see co

696
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: Chris performing. You see Treacherous three, so sonic for us.

697
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: So band was bringing everyone together. Band you know, also

698
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: celebrated the b boys and the graffiti, like he made

699
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: the elements come together to become he cold, He didn't

700
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: curate it like that. But everything was treated as one family,

701
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: you know. And in the early nineties, band was like, yo, stop,

702
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, don't call me the father of hip hop.

703
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: But he was inspired by Herk as a DJ, so

704
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: he was because he was inspired by herc. He wanted

705
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: to give her Herk the ultimate hip hop thing, which

706
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: is not fair because if you start taking a part

707
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: the elements graffiti DJ and breaking him seeing okay, who

708
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: is his peers in each one that I'm gonna say

709
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: the exact same thing about him being a father of

710
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: every element. It's not gonna happen. It's impossible. But I

711
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: feel like we're talking about Socrates. Yeah yeah, no, I

712
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: mean sense are no. And the thing is is that

713
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: when you're looking at people like um Graham, mass of Chas,

714
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: Mellie mel Uh and different writers like Lee Kenyona's Future

715
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: or two thousand Uh Phase two, those dudes are like

716
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: the coup hurts of their own element of hop. Right,

717
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: So when you say ko Hirk is the father of

718
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: hip hop, that diminishes the role of every leader from

719
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: every other element of hip hop. But no one ever,

720
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: I've never already heard no one else say what you

721
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: just said, just now, because they're saying this because I

722
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: talked shit, you know, you know, honestly you're saying they're

723
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: saying it, but they're not saying they know it. I loove.

724
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: I went to a meeting and I'm not gonna throw

725
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: any names out because I love my brothers, man, But

726
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: I went to a meeting where we were going to

727
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: address cook That's okay, another drink, but I'm still a leader, right.

728
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: So there was a meeting where someone was sent to

729
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: as cool Hirk's representative, and the question got to the

730
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: point where, okay, the cool HRK create hip hop and

731
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: this is someone that's cool Hirks peered and he was like, no,

732
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: but am I going to say that in public? No?

733
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: And then he rightfully said, because y'all motherfucker's other ones

734
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: who started calling him the father, you know, but we

735
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: were told that by Banbada, so we didn't know better,

736
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: you know. And even with that, it still doesn't take

737
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: down cool Hirk and his influence, his impact on the

738
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: community that he served. You know. It's just that there

739
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: are more pieces to the puzzle. Look, I could easily

740
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: sit here and say yo, I save breaking two times,

741
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, but how can I do that without competition?

742
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: Who who my battle ain't to have saved it? Who's

743
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: number Who's the number one record? You know, there's no

744
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: number two. So I gotta give credit to New York

745
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: City Breakers and Dynamic Rockers and all the crews that

746
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: that I came up with, like from the Bronx Rockwell Association,

747
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: the Bronx Boys, start Child of Rock, all these crews

748
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: that will never get the attention because they never moved

749
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: forward after that point. But I'm still going to recognize them.

750
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: Let's get some clarity on what you're saying, because you're

751
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: saying herk for the music, So are you saying that

752
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: before that? Obviously the graffiti artist and the dancers, that

753
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: was already happening. It was. I would say it was

754
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: a genesis because because people say that Kirk came from Jamaica, yep,

755
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: and he was that's like kind of how bringing the

756
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: turntables together. That's a nice story. Oh my god. You know,

757
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: if you're talking, if you're talking, if you're talking sound

758
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: systems and where he comes from and that coming from there? Yes,

759
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: But was that already in New York? Which I've seen

760
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: this argument a lot, a lot, so I'll give you

761
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: the doubt. There's a dude name Coup dj D who

762
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: was already in the parks. Coo dj D was getting

763
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: a new sound system. He sold his old sound system

764
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: to Cool Hirk. That's when Coo Hurk came into the parks.

765
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: The sound system that Ku Hirk talks about, what that

766
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: he got from his father was a house system. That's

767
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: why he could do the community centers. You couldn't bring

768
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: that system out into the parks. It's gonna be like

769
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: bringing a little box, right. So Coo dj D was

770
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: that dude who he was already in parks. Mario was

771
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: in the parks. There was a lot of people who

772
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: in the parks, some people doing disco, and it wasn't

773
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: as I would say, curated in terms of music the

774
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: way Coo Hirk did. Because Coo Hirk is the one

775
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: who curated that hip hop sound without a doubt and

776
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: you and that, but not specific to the breaks. You're saying, yes,

777
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: but the way the party was being done from Cool

778
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Hirk's perspective on changed it. But his inspiration came from

779
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: this different people and his sound system came from someone

780
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: else as well, So that meant that he wasn't the

781
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: first in the parks, right, But even with that, he

782
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: doesn't he was still the first major influence on the

783
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: larger body of people, and that is fucking amazing, right.

784
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: And I can have my differences with the timelines and

785
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: inconsistent stories, but I will never take away his flowers

786
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: because he deserves those. They just don't need to be embellished. Yeah,

787
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to bring you guys down. It's it's

788
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: it's like, I believe that's the first time I heard that.

789
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: It's the first time for me as well, like even

790
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: if I did hear except the part of the of

791
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: the turntables, because I feel like the same way that

792
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: people have been trying to take away the Puerto Rican

793
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Latino side of it, they've also been trying to take

794
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: away the Jamaican influence on it. So I feel like

795
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: there's that argument going on. But here's the thing. I don't.

796
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't and I wasn't. I wasn't there a couple

797
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: of years before I started, So I don't know if

798
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: Cool Herk was playing Jamaican music, but the only person

799
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: I knew that was playing reggae was Bambada. He was

800
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: playing Yellow Man Guy I can't even think of all

801
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: other artists right now, but Bambada was the one who

802
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: turned us on in hip hop to what would be

803
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: considered rock steady, you know that style of reggae. Holy shit, man,

804
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean the tapes are there, you can hear them,

805
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: and that's that's and that's the good thing is that

806
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: these tapes exist. Thankfully. Tape Master the rest in peace.

807
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: He just passed away. And that's another brother. We wouldn't

808
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: have those musical references if tape Master wasn't making those

809
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: tapes back then. Did DJs do that sometimes? Yeah? But

810
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: if there was a first industry hip hop music industry,

811
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: tape Master was the dude. He was the first, I

812
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 1: would say, mixed tape king. Yeah, absolutely, so. I would

813
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: you say that in your day you would battle to

814
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: get your name, But then now it's like in order

815
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: for a person to secure their name, they don't battle. No, no,

816
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: no no. What I said was in order back in

817
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: the days. And if you you had to battle to

818
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: protect your rep. Oh okay, these days people avoid battles

819
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: to protect their rep right right? Why? Yeah, I don't know.

820
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Like for me, if I heard you was like the

821
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: boy whoever and you live like twenty blocks away, I'm

822
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: like fourteen, I'm rolling up on your block, like, yo,

823
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: you e a fen I don't know what you look like.

824
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: You break, you want to battle, we battle right there

825
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: in the concrete, or we go find a hallway and

826
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: something like that. But that's what it was. I mean,

827
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: everyone put their reps on the line. I mean, look

828
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: look at if you look at this dude, Gabriel was

829
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: out on the boxer. Okay, his his warrior status in

830
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: the game, even when he doesn't win. I mean, he's

831
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: still held in high regards, right because he's a fucking warrior.

832
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: He puts his name on the line, and even after

833
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: he fights, his name is very well protected no matter

834
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: what the outcome, right. And that's where the hip hop

835
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: was built off of. Man, it's all we had, bro.

836
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: We were poor, you know. The only thing you had

837
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, some props, you know, maybe

838
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: met some girls something like that, and that was it,

839
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: Jesus what it was. It was. The money came from

840
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: stick ups. It was It's a street culture from the game,

841
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: drug dealers with with like backyard right. No, no, no, no,

842
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: we no, we didn't do it like that. Um It

843
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: was just like I like coming here, Like I was

844
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: like the main dude in the streets anything like that.

845
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: You know, we you dance, you practice, you get hungry.

846
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: They said, you like you was the only way to

847
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: jail a little bit. Everyone else with the jail, and

848
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: he was like the only one that, like, should I

849
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: have been in jail? Yeah, multiple times, but I don't talk,

850
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: and that's just it. Like I beat a case where

851
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: I was ready to take the charge, you know, I

852
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: told my man just stand back, I'm taking everything, and

853
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: I beat the case. So you know, I bullshitted my

854
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: way through that too, So hold on saying no more,

855
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, I got one more quick time.

856
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So you invented the wooden mill, but yeah,

857
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: you originally called it the backspen the continue uh no.

858
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: So there's two versions. There's just the backspen where you

859
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: spend really fast, okay, which I called the whip back spin,

860
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: and then the windmill, which was originally called the continuous

861
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: back spin with the over legs. Yes, okay. Yeah, So

862
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: that was all I did that on like Qatona Avenue,

863
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: Toronto and in a hallway just you was trying not

864
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: to fall or something. I was trying not to hit me.

865
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: You know, those two doorways, slim hallways, tenement buildings. It's amazing,

866
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: and I wanted I overrotated, and uh, I just was

867
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: trying not to, you know, for the fast, I try

868
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: not to hit the walls with my feet. So I

869
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: bawled up and sent tripical force with me around and

870
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: I started spending real fast. And I did that when

871
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: I was maybe thirteen and and and that was what

872
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: we called the backs. That was, yeah, the backs been,

873
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: the whipp backs been because your leg whips around and

874
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: forces you to spend fast. So when did it become

875
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the member the windmill? Probably around maybe within that same year.

876
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: I actually called it the continuous, but since we were

877
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: after a while, we were already traveling years later, and

878
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: people didn't know the names of these moves because more

879
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: people were starting to break again, So names changed because

880
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: people don't know. When I hanging out with every crew,

881
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: we only hung out with our own crew, And at

882
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: that point I had I was rock steady crews like

883
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: five hundred deep, but it was stick up with kids,

884
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: DJ's b boys, DJ's MC's hangout crew writers, all that stuff.

885
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: We rolled thick man, do you realize that that's a

886
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: writer of passage. Like if anybody is a dancer, if

887
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: anybody really wants to take theirselves real, it's like, I

888
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: think you got to learn I gotta know the rhym

889
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: mail boy Yeah no, no, no no, I'm saying dancing overall,

890
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: b boying, but dancing overall. It's like you have to

891
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: know the windmill, the move, the moonwalk, and it's like

892
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: one other dance. So so how the three dances popping, lock,

893
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: and breaking? You know? Um? And then I mean some

894
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: people in New York's are called electric boogie, which is

895
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: a wrong version of popping locking mix together. It's like

896
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: mixing south Side mad ain't get together. I like it.

897
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: I like people people call it no, but I mean

898
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: mixing the dance steps, which is two different rhythms, two

899
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: different rhythms, So you can't do that. So a lot

900
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: of people don't know the history, don't know that popping

901
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: and locking are two different dances the same way sce

902
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: mambo a popping and locking different thing too. Yeah, so

903
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: once pop was locking, and how did those two relate

904
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: to what you guys were doing? Uh, that's West Coast

905
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: stuff and the robot that's West Coast stuff, right, Yeah,

906
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: robot popping locker. Yeah, that was the electric Boogaloos, and

907
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: the lockers would be one of the ones who are

908
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: on Soul Train. And we on the East Coast used

909
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: to watch Soul Train and a lot of people try

910
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: to show up at the club. A lot of girls

911
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: back then would try to do a lot of the

912
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: moves from Soul Train, just for like like the social

913
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: dance aspect of it, right, you know, it's funny. I

914
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: was watching, right, and because I obviously I'm a little younger,

915
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: so I don't remember ever anybody not ever being a

916
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: breaking on anything but a cardboard. We started that. I

917
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: got I got your story. I got your story. But

918
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: there's a part that I'm watching and you said that

919
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: you were doing it at first on the rubber mats

920
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: under the swing. Yep. So when I was saying that

921
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: on the former, I was like, yo, he just said

922
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: that he started doing this shit on the rubber mats,

923
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: and I'm realized, I'm speaking to my friend from the

924
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: West Coast. He can't relate at all. He's like rubber mats.

925
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys never had swings, And he's like

926
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: he was saying I don't know. I didn't know what

927
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean they had said. I mean I was I

928
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: was a kid in too. That's what's funny, Like we

929
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: had the lead. Yeah, I'm listening. I'm listening to a

930
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: West Coast guy. I'm listening to a SOB guy, and

931
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I just heard crazy like say that

932
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: if they wasn't on concrete, the safest thing they was

933
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: to do was on the rubber mats. And both of

934
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: them was like, what rubber mats? And I'm like, you

935
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: didn't have rubber mats? And they're like, by the swings,

936
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: by the park, you didn't have rubber mats. No one,

937
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: this is a New York City thing. I had no idea.

938
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: I thought the whole world had fucking rubber mats. Yeah, so,

939
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: but describe to people because I also heard you say

940
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: that you actually used to do it raw on the

941
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: on on on a seaman. Yeah, we we started breaking

942
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: on concrete definitely. How was we were bloody well, bloody

943
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: b boys lifting all day. Yes, the moons were new

944
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: and not mastered yet we'd have scrapes on a on

945
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: a lower back say that. So, yeah, there was a

946
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of blood at the beginning of

947
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: breaking Wow, So who could whose idea was like, yo,

948
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: let's go get the cardboard. So I ninety h t

949
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: didn't answer them. In New York, there's a park there

950
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: which is now known as rock Steady, but which is

951
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: brilliant by the way, they fucking went and got cardboard.

952
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know who was the first one to

953
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: do it, it's one of my guys. So right next

954
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: to the park there used to be an Appliant store.

955
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: So in between the park and the Applian store is

956
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: an alley where they would put all their trash trash

957
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: far boys, and the next store to that was a

958
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: ninety nine cent store. So we would go there still

959
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: still tape, and then we take climb over the fence

960
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: full cardboard because we wanted to keep our gear fresh.

961
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: Right that's when the carboards from. Yeah. Yeah, it was

962
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: to not fuck up your gear to spend okay, okay, yeah, okay,

963
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: So we wanted to stay fresh. I mean we didn't

964
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: have much clothing to really just jump there, like yeah,

965
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: I got my practice clothes and you know, my hangout clothes.

966
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: So we would just set up and do that and

967
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: I'll send you some images if he needed for the show. Yeah, yeah,

968
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna lie like me being from New

969
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: York City, It's like it's a proud moment for us,

970
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: like to see people come together. Like I didn't even

971
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: know what we were doing. Like I would go to

972
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: because you know, from left Rack City, So I would

973
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: go to USA Skating Ring. But I know, you gotta

974
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: I got a story about that. I would go up

975
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: there and it was like I didn't know it was

976
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: a cool club at least at that time. And the

977
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: people who wouldn't be able to get in there to

978
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: go skate in or whatever, they would stay outside with

979
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: the carboys. But these was like the guys like that

980
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: means they didn't have like six dollars or three dollars. Oh,

981
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: they ain't had no juice, you know. Like and I

982
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: would sit out a DJ, so I would, you know,

983
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: go there, and but I didn't know that was like

984
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: a technique. I didn't really know, Like I didn't know,

985
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: like I just would see this and this would be

986
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: something like like I said, I'm forty five years old,

987
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: so hip hop is older than me. I I have

988
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: that in the run. Hip hop is older than me.

989
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: I listened to it in my stroller because I don't remember.

990
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember where hip hop didn't exist, right, you're

991
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: old enough to remember the time. Yeah, I. And it's

992
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: funny because like as much as people call me a pioneer,

993
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: like and then people try to separate generation this generation,

994
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: that generation and still don't know the different definition of

995
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: a generation, you know. But yeah, I started seventy seven.

996
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: So if in my in the way I look at history,

997
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: I would say hip hop starting seventy five. Okay, you

998
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: know because most of the people, um, who can what's

999
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: your name? What's the word? Uh? Stories? Most of the

1000
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: stories are seventy five, you don't. We just rounded it

1001
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: off to the nearest tent. I think so, I think.

1002
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: But I think that's still fair. That still hip hop though, yeah, yeah,

1003
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: still hip hop. It older, I think it's younger. I

1004
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: think it's younger by two years. Yeah, but I'm cool

1005
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: with settling. But I'm also understanding that somebody's gonna change

1006
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: that ship in the future when we're not around it

1007
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: and no emotions are involved, you know, they're just looking

1008
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: at times and and data and location and possibilities. But um, yeah,

1009
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: So if I started in seventy seven and and when

1010
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: people say like, oh, Latinos weren't there, I'm like, all right, well,

1011
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: how long did it take to create before we got

1012
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: in My brother wasn't first first time I saw breaking

1013
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: but DJ Africa Islam I was in seventy six. My

1014
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: brother was. My brother was a member of the organization

1015
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: which became Zulu Nation. Wow, it's before those mighty Zulu Nation.

1016
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: So it's like when they're talking about Latinos were in there,

1017
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, my brother was a card carrying member of

1018
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: the organization. So and then this go Marrio like ko

1019
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: hirks peers. If you're talking about those three being the

1020
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: main three, two out of three a Latino. I know.

1021
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: I think I kind of asked this earlier about why

1022
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: you think they're trying to take that. I think they don't.

1023
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: I think they don't understand. Like, like, from my perspective,

1024
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: everyone in here is my brother, and from a New

1025
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: York perspective, that's how we rock. And if you grew

1026
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: up in those areas that have you lived in different communities,

1027
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: it's going to be different for them. And a lot

1028
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: of those different communities that if you have a Latin

1029
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: community here and they're that association with the associating with

1030
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: anything hip hop. There's probably gonna be a lot of

1031
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: Latin music there, you know. But at the same time,

1032
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: we have our own struggles within the Latino community because

1033
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: if we're not into South Side, if you don't do

1034
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: a song and you don't drop Spanish in it, that

1035
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: die hard Latino community isn't going to really see you

1036
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: as there as anyway, you probably dropped more props for

1037
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: dropping Spanish. Well, that was why I left it originally. Yes, yes,

1038
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: trust me, I remember. It changed the game, right, it

1039
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,959
Speaker 1: changed the game. But I think a lot of people

1040
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: have a hard time because when you do look at

1041
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: those early images and there are dark skinned brothers there

1042
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: and you don't know there Puerto rican Also, because we

1043
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: didn't have to talk about it and then then check

1044
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: this shit out, then there are people who were Latino

1045
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: that didn't know they were Latino. Wow. So Graham makes

1046
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: a dst first person to win a Grammy and hip

1047
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,959
Speaker 1: hop because of what he did with Herbie Hancock on Rocket.

1048
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: He found out three years ago. He calls me up,

1049
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: like your legs, we gotta go to Puerto Rico. I'm like,

1050
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: what YO found out? I'm a love. My father's from potted,

1051
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, so that means makes a north from park. Yeah.

1052
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: The hard person to win a Grammy and hip hop

1053
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: is black and Puerto Rican. Got damn makes nor for me?

1054
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: Got damn? I think black. Hold, I'm using the bathroom, crip.

1055
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: I can keep going, keep going if you gotta use

1056
01:00:21,000 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: the bathroom, just H'm using to take that's killer baby normally.

1057
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: Thank you. That Scotch bourbon Yo. No that No, that's

1058
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: some real drinking shit right there. I gotta salute my

1059
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: hat to you. All right, are we doing quick time

1060
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: of sign? Right? It's a cool shots light? Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah,

1061
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: fair warning, fair warning, thanks thankfully, I'm in walking distance. Yeah,

1062
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: I rope, yes, all you will. Oh you want to go?

1063
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: You go first? All right. I don't know. I don't

1064
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna pick with this one. Oh no, no,

1065
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: you're explaining on the rush you're gonna give you. I'm

1066
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: worried about the slime part. Two choices, two choices. You

1067
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: pick one and nobody drinks. You say both are neither

1068
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: and we're drinking. All of us are drinking. That's it.

1069
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: So if you politically correct, as you say, neither or both.

1070
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: Didn't we drink with you and we drink with you.

1071
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: We don't leave you out there by yourself. We drink

1072
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: which okay, we walk away fucked up to. Yeah, he's

1073
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: saying politically correct and you say both like like for instance,

1074
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: right now, fast five Freddy or Ralph McDaniels. Ralph McDaniels. Okay, okay,

1075
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: you don't have to give an explanation if you don't

1076
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: want to. If you want Ralph McDaniels, Oh man, he's

1077
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: we need both. Yeah, Ralph McDaniels. I mean, he's one

1078
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: of the nicest guys you're ever gonna meet in a

1079
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 1: hip hop You know, he's a beautiful soul. He he's

1080
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: authentic hip hop. Even though his platform has been for

1081
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: rap music, he is well aware and supports everything good

1082
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: enough for me. You'll have TV raps or video blues

1083
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: based on his previous answer, yeah, yeah, video music style.

1084
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: It's a Colombian guy that got it. You got you

1085
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: got Beach Street or breaking two Beach Street. Okay, all right,

1086
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: but we really want to say wild style, old style,

1087
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: wild style all day. Really, Yeah, we're explaining, Um, it

1088
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: was more, it was authentic, it was authentic and you

1089
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: know those storylines of the Oh no, I'm thinking, okay,

1090
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm confusing it with breaking my bad. Uh, there's a

1091
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: Wild Style. I think that. I think Wild Style is

1092
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: the genesis for real hip hop movies, even before Beach

1093
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: Street or anything anything else, because everyone Wild Style is

1094
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 1: the first movie to select all of its um cat

1095
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: as based on actual legitimacy. In the game, there were

1096
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: no record labels involved, so you were in there because

1097
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: you were actually dope. And if you were in in there,

1098
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: there's probably like some paperwork issues. But everyone there was

1099
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: at the top of their game. There was no pen

1100
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: It seemed almost like a reality. She was so shot,

1101
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: so raw. Yeah, I should have been loving hip Yeah

1102
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Jesus eighties or nineties

1103
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: hip hop fun. Take a shot. Take a shot. I'll

1104
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: tell you why. Okay, go ahead, Well, let's take the

1105
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: shot first, and then yeah, yeah it take the shot.

1106
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: Oh eighties is my formative years as as a teenager. Right,

1107
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: so that's like the soundtrack of your life. That's your

1108
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: first girlfriend. You graduated with the junior high school in Manhatan.

1109
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: Uh No, I went to Yeah, I went to junior

1110
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: high school Manhatan. That's why I got my name A

1111
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: girl in wood. She said you got some crazysy too,

1112
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: and then that's how she said it, right. Yeah, it

1113
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: was like Rosario, So nineties, I've been you for like

1114
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: a month, just so you know, I've just been you.

1115
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm goad um. Nineties for me,

1116
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: in my mind is like the jazz era of hip hop,

1117
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: which is quote unquote the golden era is called well eighties,

1118
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: late eighties, it's golden well, I mean I think it's

1119
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: late eighties going into mid nineties. Yeah, that would be

1120
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,479
Speaker 1: the golden era. I didn't know what you mean by jazz,

1121
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: by jazz meaning you had talking all that jazz. No, no, no.

1122
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: So when you look at NAS and you look at

1123
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: Pete now Pees Little, yeah took Nas, We took on nineties,

1124
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: We tooking Tang. Yeah. The production mob d like everything

1125
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: and and and the lyrical content, yeah was there was

1126
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: so much diversity from you know, from fight the Power

1127
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: to fucking to the Daisy Age. You know, so I

1128
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: like that diversity there. I felt like hip that was

1129
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: hip hop's best voice in terms of diversity. Yeah, nineties,

1130
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: nineties fuck the police. Yeah. In terms of style, yeah,

1131
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: because you have political you had love every ver. Yeah, right,

1132
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: because island out there they told my ship we own point.

1133
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, cool, you got the

1134
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: next one. MC lighter Queen Latifa take the shot for

1135
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: all females across the world yet to pick pick. Trust me,

1136
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: we need and we need both both. Ye Okay, I

1137
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: would say, are you still picking out of there? Yeah,

1138
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: that's a tough I'd rather not pick. You don't have

1139
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: you don't have to toss up. Okay, you go for you.

1140
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: We drank for you. Yeah, we don't want you to

1141
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: do that because they buy both. Call you say what

1142
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: the buck? Now, I'm just playing ahead. We're going windmill

1143
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: or head spin wind mill. I'm about to get a

1144
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,439
Speaker 1: shot for that, because that's all I know. The dude

1145
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: that's made the wind mail. I'm using you as bragging, right,

1146
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: like anybody ever say, I'm not hip hop like I

1147
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: know the nigga that made the wind mail. All right.

1148
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: The next one originally was mad. When we were putting

1149
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: this in the list, I didn't think they matched up.

1150
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: But have you seen the mash up they've been doing

1151
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: with these guys? Wu Tang or n Wa Wu Tang.

1152
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: They've been mashing up Wu Tang with Nwa with Wu

1153
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: Tang beat. Right, it's amazing, but it's crazy because we've

1154
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: been asking this question for the past couple of months.

1155
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: We make it all happens crazy. Yeah, I'm going to

1156
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: Wu Tang all day because it's that. Is that because

1157
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: it's the regional thing. Yeah, I'm fucking straight. Right, Yeah,

1158
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. I like Nwa though I really

1159
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: appreciate them, But I mean I'm also looking at the

1160
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: decades a body of work, right, you know my thing

1161
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: is um, I'm also at East Coaster, so I go

1162
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: with Wu Tang. But one thing I always give uh

1163
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,440
Speaker 1: to in the UA. If you never went to California

1164
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: before and you heard that first album, you were, they

1165
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: brung you to California because we just didn't know. I mean,

1166
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm like again, I'm younger, Like I didn't know. I

1167
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: thought California with surfboards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know.

1168
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers say your mother, you already had the boy

1169
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:53,879
Speaker 1: came first iced he didn't come out of came up before. Yeah,

1170
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: I tell you what. They didn't say that in the movie.

1171
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: Check this came out first. I'm not Tea before we

1172
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: went up and he was a dancer, wasn't he too? Yes? No,

1173
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: but no six you said iced Tea, ice C that's

1174
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: what That's what I but he was already talking about Yeah. Yeah,

1175
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: that didn't get to me. That got to me. Team

1176
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: might have came out too, but I think before Colors, Yes,

1177
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: king T, But what's I get? What's the d for you?

1178
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: Like for me? Because I now I'm like getting older

1179
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: and like I told you, like I told you, I

1180
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: must have heard right Because Island first, because when I

1181
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: heard straight out of Compton, I thought Compton was a jail.

1182
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: So I was like, I don't want to go to

1183
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: the young Yeah, and I'm thinking like like how people

1184
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: talked about right Because Island at that time, like yeah,

1185
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: you know you know what I mean. So but getting

1186
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: back to my point, Yes, I did hear Iced Tea.

1187
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't old enough to discipher what you saying. I

1188
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: did hear king T, but Nwa was old enough to

1189
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: say I don't want to go there. Yeah. Their impact

1190
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: because and I didn't get to see their videos. All

1191
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: I got to hear was they vocals their lyrics, so

1192
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: it gave me imagination. You know what I'm saying. Like

1193
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: it's like read a book. You ever read a book

1194
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: where wherever this book is that you're there. That's how

1195
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 1: Nwa was. That's how I think Nwa honestly, from my perspective,

1196
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: my opinion, Nwa was brought an emotion that hip hop

1197
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: didn't have before. That I felt like when I had

1198
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: you heard all kinds of rapping, like the action like

1199
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: Mellie mell was the was the message, and but n

1200
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: n w A, you felt that you felt that intimidation

1201
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: and then p yeah in hand in hand pe But

1202
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: but you felt like this intimidation and anger from Nwa

1203
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: that you hadn't felt in rap music to that point.

1204
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: And I felt that that changed everything. Poked the bear. Yeah, okay,

1205
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: do we take a shot for this or no? Because

1206
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: he picked wolcheck, Let's take a shot. Let's take a

1207
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: shot just for uh huh yeah. We we just speak

1208
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, So right right before we were going

1209
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: on a wild style tour. That's how far back. Just

1210
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: make the noise of him flowing so holy shit, I go, yeah, me,

1211
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what me. First of all, it

1212
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: sounds that some wild Ship Africa Islam. Yeah, Africa much

1213
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: the first DJ from rock Steady as well, and he's

1214
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: an original B boy. But you know, we were all

1215
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: wild I'm back then, so I go to meet up

1216
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: at Africa Islam because we're like, all right, we're gonna

1217
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: get it. We're gonna buy an eight ball, and you

1218
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: guys were wilding. Oh no, this is only to tell

1219
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: on the plane. Oh yeah, yeah, come out. Yeah, I

1220
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: remember cigarettes in planes. I don't know if I heard

1221
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: this correct. You just say you had to borrow eight

1222
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: ball to set slay it on the plane. The plane, Yeah,

1223
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: it's thirty people from the hood going on tour. Nobody

1224
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: got access to anything. It's boy probably the first hip

1225
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: hop smugglers, right. You know his name is Africa Slam. Yeah,

1226
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: he used to come out here when when we used

1227
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: to come out here with DJ raw on them. So

1228
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: when I went to go pick him up to go

1229
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: on tour, Iced Tea was staying at his place. So

1230
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: they are here already. I see. It was already connecting

1231
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: with the East coast. But yeah, we ended up buying

1232
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: like an ounce of weed and the eight ball and

1233
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: then we're on the plane and then all of a sudden,

1234
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: my man. You know, people smelling weed on the plane,

1235
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: smoked weed on plane. Don't tell me you'll smoke yeah, yeah, yeah,

1236
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: and in the back you just I mean, this is

1237
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: a time that cigarettes, you smoke weed. The suction he

1238
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: thought worked. And then our managers like, I don't know

1239
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: what kind of drugs you guys got on you, but

1240
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: you guy, this better do all of them because by

1241
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 1: the time we get to Japan, the police are waiting

1242
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: for you on the way Japan. Yeah. Yeah, you know Japan.

1243
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: Don't play yeah yeah, you get canceled for weed in Japan.

1244
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you know we're doing that. And you know,

1245
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: the only I think, the only sober one was like Bambata.

1246
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: You know, everyone's on like acid and blow and weed

1247
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: and and now we gotta do it. We gotta consume everything.

1248
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: Now it sounds like a great flight. Though I ain't

1249
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna lie to was crazy that I'm not gonna lie.

1250
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: I try. I'm trying to sit here and be like,

1251
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: oh nah. And then I'm sitting here like this sounds great.

1252
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: The whole back of the plane was a cloud of smoke.

1253
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: Holy shit. Yeah, and and and the drinks were free

1254
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: back then, yeah. I mean I always go on like

1255
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: every plane now and then I look at it and

1256
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: I see this leftover ass tray in there, like it's

1257
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: a tiny bit of ass like this was used one. Yeah,

1258
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean a couple of times. You never flew on

1259
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: a plane where they were smoking, right, yeah, back in

1260
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: the day, Yeah, Miami that we we were on japan airlines.

1261
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Yappanese. Yeah, Yappanese on your parents airlines.

1262
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: And you know I got I actually have all. I

1263
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of behind the scenes photos from

1264
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: all those trips that I've never been public. We're gonna

1265
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna do out what I'm talking to this dude,

1266
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: Jeremy Beaver from the National Museum of Hip Hop and DC,

1267
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: and we're gonna set up a tour of those photos.

1268
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: Did y'all here's the national question, Did y'all do drugs

1269
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: in Japan? When y'all landed? We found weed? I have

1270
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: we found weed because I got a picture of Grand

1271
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: Master of cast holding a bag of weeds. Were smoking

1272
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: even back then. Huh yeah, just grand he came here,

1273
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: smoked the whole his whole episode, whole three out. He

1274
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: smoked every run. Yeah, I mean I'm down. Oh you smoke.

1275
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know you smoke. Okay, shit, you know, we

1276
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: got joints, and you give me some joints I got yeah,

1277
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: give them one of those, give the one of notes.

1278
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: This is what the Yeah, please as much as cash, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1279
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: hell yeah yo. So there, Now, I got to ask

1280
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: you this before we go to quick thom slim, before

1281
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: we go we in it, before we finish it. Hold on,

1282
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Okay, let me get one of

1283
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: those two I got one. I got one, I got

1284
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: one of them. Give him a lighter, give him lighters on.

1285
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: Thank you. This is an old school questing because all

1286
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: of y'all started with easy witers. What was the yeah bamboo,

1287
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: big bamboo, Yeah, big bamboo. I'm my bad, my bad,

1288
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: big bamboo and easy waters. Right, when did the transition

1289
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: from joints to god damn, I expect you got all

1290
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: right now you brought it? Yes? Where did it go

1291
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: from papers? Two joints? Well, the papers were joints back then,

1292
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: me from papers and blunts, papers with blunts out, my bad?

1293
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 1: You know what I meant? Then? That was with white owls,

1294
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: white owls. Yeah, leather. That's like smoking leather's definitely that

1295
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: had to be easy early eighties not closer to me.

1296
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: Uh shit, man, like eighty three eighty three, eighty three,

1297
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: okay around that. Yeah. I used to get shipped for

1298
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: free all the time, So I don't know all of this.

1299
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: You said White Owls came before Philly Blunt or was

1300
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 1: it Philly Blunt? White owl didn't Dutch Masters, I think

1301
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: first White House. Yeah, Philly Bloom Moses like everybody would

1302
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: walk around with Tippo Rilloso. Okay, Tipper Rillos, I remember that. Okay,

1303
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: let's fill this quick time. Let's go back. Yea Dougie

1304
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: Fresh or Biz Marquis took a shot you dais is

1305
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: my dude. Man, I love that brother man, so let's

1306
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: do a shot for him. Yeah, let's do a shot

1307
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: for it anyway. Yeah, yeah, I like that he picked

1308
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: but still took a shot. I mean yeah. Biz became

1309
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: a very good friend of mine, right, and I hooked

1310
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: him up with a bunch of archives and we were

1311
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: doing it trade. And I found out that he was

1312
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: doing trades with everyone, but not trading. Does that mean

1313
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 1: archives from everybody? I need that soul sonic for records

1314
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: or mixtapes from yeah business, getting everyone's archives of dupes

1315
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: and then never never hooked up anyone else. You didn't

1316
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: get the white um cover. But that was dude. All right,

1317
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: let's go to bust rhymes, a eminem oh buster rhymes, Okay,

1318
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: radio or podcasting podcast? God make I'll take the shot

1319
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: for that. I'm taking a shot for that. You can

1320
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: say whatever the fuck you want to over here. I'll

1321
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:52,480
Speaker 1: take a drink of that. H m hm DMX or tupacetx.

1322
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: It seemed like you want to say something about that.

1323
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: I was never into tupocket And I know people don't

1324
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: don't agree with me, but you know, it just wasn't

1325
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: my thing. Dmax reminds you of that New York Streets ship,

1326
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 1: and I relate to that New York Streets ship the

1327
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: most right. And you know you ever got to meet Tupac.

1328
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: I met him once, saying at USA Nightclub and Times

1329
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: Square and then we had a fight. There's a big

1330
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: fight in the club after that would me and my

1331
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: boys and no, no, no, I met him. Then I

1332
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,759
Speaker 1: went downstairs and got into a fight against mop Tops.

1333
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: You know, he leade for us boot stretching all of those.

1334
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: We had a big fight with them. Then I had

1335
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: to fight with the bouncers. It was crazy. You're glad

1336
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: you calmed down, sir. Yeah, yeah, I mean whatever. Well,

1337
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: rest in peace to both of them. Yes, Tupac, Yes, legends,

1338
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: slick Rick or rock him to take a shot, sir,

1339
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: rock him. Let's stop it telling them to take shots.

1340
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: We got a little manser. I just don't be oneing,

1341
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, I know everybody got a personal relationship. And

1342
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: I rocked him because he made a lot of beats

1343
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: that I can dance too as well. I was into

1344
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: his lyricism, like you know, I really I already knew

1345
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: about storytelling from Graham Massa has so that was already

1346
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: part of hip hop. Who him And at a certain

1347
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: point in my life, I was a five percenter. So

1348
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: you never stopped being a five percenter unless you start

1349
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: eating port Still I still don't eat Park, Okay, then

1350
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: you're still a popercenter. Go so um I when he

1351
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: was spitting that, it's kind of like when WU Tank

1352
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: spitch shit and you walked you You were on the

1353
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: country when they first came out, you know, most of

1354
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: the country didn't know what the fuck brand Nubian Wu

1355
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 1: Tang or Rock Him were talking about when they started

1356
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: spitting knowledge. You know. So I always found it funny

1357
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: one when white people would recite certain things like yo, no,

1358
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: they had no idea, they had no idea. Okay, kras

1359
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: one a Cougi rap. That's a good one. And I'm

1360
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm you know what you gotta say. I'm

1361
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna take Cougie Rap. No, your face is said, let

1362
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: me take both. Okay, I'm gonna say Coogie Rap Okay.

1363
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: And that's because you can't lead the witness. And this

1364
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: is like my whole fucking ghetto trauma of hanging out

1365
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: with people who are wild, like I can relate based

1366
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: on like all the people that died around me, and

1367
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: I've been into dirt. What Cougie Rapp is talking about,

1368
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, caress one is the remedy for that. M So,

1369
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: who did you pick? Cougie Rap? Okay, your Colombias and

1370
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: Dominican of publics, you have distracted? Yea, bro, come on,

1371
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking guys, I talking about which one of you

1372
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 1: talking about? Come on, get some work distracted you're messing

1373
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: us up. Okay, m oh whoa Okay, got it big

1374
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: Daddy King or coo J taking a shot. Take a shot.

1375
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: You gotta take a shot. You gotta shot so that

1376
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: drink don't count. You gotta take a shot. He has one, Okay,

1377
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: he has one. Right, Look it's a little, it's a little. Yeah.

1378
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I would have said, Big Daddy Kaneyo, guys,

1379
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: I would have said Big Daddy Kane. I'm sorry, I um.

1380
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: I would have said big Daddy came. But what sealed

1381
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: the deal for me where llo cooj is that when

1382
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: Red Alert was DJ and that big CD big City

1383
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: Diner on Eleventh Avenue in Manhattan, I think he was

1384
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: doing the party red Rum and uh Ll show it

1385
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: up and he got on the mic. He just rocked

1386
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: off of breakbeats and he spent rhymes that were not

1387
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: on his records, and he just I was like, oh shit,

1388
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: like that's what I respect. And that's when I grew

1389
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: up on So when I saw Ll spitting like straight

1390
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: up fire, like I'm gonna just fucking burn his mic

1391
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: and dropping him bounced, he did that ship and that's

1392
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: when I was just like, Yeah, jip beyond records. Both

1393
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: legends when Yeah Disco Fever or the sound factory, just

1394
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: go fever because I was lucky enough to get up

1395
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: in there, and I knew I was too young to

1396
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: even being there sixteen. I went in there at uh yeah, sixteen,

1397
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: fifteen to sixteen. Did you know you were living history

1398
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: when you was? Nah? Man, he was wild. We didn't

1399
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: appreciated about it at all. Say that before I heard

1400
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: you say that you weren't even living in the moment,

1401
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: like you didn't. You didn't appreciate like anything that you

1402
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: kind of was going. No, we didn't. So when we

1403
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: would go to places, first time we went to France,

1404
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: like hey, we want to take you to go see

1405
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: a town, We're like, nah, take us to the hood,

1406
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, and the hood over there, it's like it's Ethiopian,

1407
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: is Turkish, it's rocking, it's yeah. Yeah, So that's what

1408
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: we felt comfortable. We didn't feel comfortable doing all those

1409
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: things that I feel like, I'm lucky to have had

1410
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: a second chance because it would have been nice to

1411
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: have done some of those things. But you know, you

1412
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: grew up in the Bronx and you're not cultured, and

1413
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: it's a maturity thing too. I'm sure you were. It's

1414
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: crazy because yeah, it's crazy because I swear to guard

1415
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: me and my uncle Wise and my first two or

1416
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: three tours around like kind of like the world. We

1417
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: we we were making it our point not to take pictures.

1418
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: Well that was that was the error. That was the error.

1419
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: That error. Look shit that we back. Remember when we

1420
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: did the magazine. We don't got pictures. We could even

1421
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: believe us our memories. I can fix that shit. Yeah, crazy, yeah,

1422
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: make it up. Goddamn the flyers. We could ask chat

1423
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: gpt the history. Yeah, when when was hip hop started?

1424
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: See what that cross references? Holy shit? All right, Biggie

1425
01:23:54,680 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: or Big L music, Biggie friendship big out. That sounds

1426
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: like a shot to me. You had a relationship with

1427
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: big Yeah, that's no, no, no shot, Drake. Come on,

1428
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: this is drink. Can I let you cheat? That's come on,

1429
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: let's go shot little stot, Little you deserve your flowers.

1430
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: Shout out, big out, big out. It was funny man.

1431
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: The rest of when the first time, first time I

1432
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: hung out with him, he tell me some fucking wild story, Like, yo, man,

1433
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: you know what tea bagging is? Oh shit, that's when

1434
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 1: the girls laying down and you drop your balls in

1435
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: her mouth. Like, Yo, this motherfucker is funny. I mean

1436
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: his lyrics. No, yeah, I think he signed some point.

1437
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean, when you meet somebody and he's talking to

1438
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: you about tea bag, he would say crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

1439
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 1: So that's like the first couple of words he said

1440
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: to you. He just man, that's what he was wild,

1441
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: Like he said, nice to meet you all that, but

1442
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: know I fuel because you know I grew up y'all

1443
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: always cracking jokes like that was amazing. Cool. Now, every

1444
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: time I think about me and a big I love,

1445
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: I love. Yes, the girl picked me up. It was crazy. Um.

1446
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: Before he passed away, he was like he was like

1447
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: he was gonna change his style, but he listened to me,

1448
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: Cameron and DMX and because of that, he just stayed

1449
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 1: everything nice. Yeah yeah. So and it was like I

1450
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't even know he knew who I was.

1451
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: So that's always one of the biggest columns. And I

1452
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: feel he was one of the illest lyricists at that time. Yes,

1453
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: and and then you know he was there was the

1454
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: whole thing that he was going to sign the Rockefeller

1455
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: I think if that would have happened and he would

1456
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: have been here, and that's the whole thing. Also him

1457
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: signing with with Sony with like with nas like. I

1458
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: believe that he would make a choice because bigger he

1459
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: was on Columbia. Yeah, I said Sony, but yeah, it

1460
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: was all it was a oh yeah, that's yeah, that's why. Yeah,

1461
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: thank correcting that. Okay, a rock shot or the real

1462
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: rock say taking a shot? Damn yeah, I can't just

1463
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't you know, heard her thing? There's so few

1464
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: female representations to take any of them down. Ain't cool.

1465
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. Right, Oh,

1466
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 1: this is a good one. Got a cold crush? Oh

1467
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: thanks crush you Nah, I don't matter. I'm cold crush

1468
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: all day? Why why? Because that was all right? So

1469
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: I knew it was first five the other one I

1470
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: know you didn't matter now don't matter because I knew

1471
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: co Crush before cast was in Cold Crush. Damn damn.

1472
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 1: So the original co Crush Brothers was It was Charlie Chase,

1473
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: a Little Black, Teddy, ted Missus, t Bone, Cisco Kid

1474
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: and Easy a D with that with Tony Tone and

1475
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Charlie Chase. That's the first actual hip hop tate rap

1476
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: Tate I heard. So that's what got me into it

1477
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 1: fully co Yeah, and then you know, then Coquest became

1478
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 1: like co Curus embodied battling. You know. So everything that

1479
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: I was as a B boy, co Crush was the

1480
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: top tier in the rap game. Sounds good to me.

1481
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: A tropical Quest or brand Nubian. And that's that. We

1482
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: were talking like that because it's like, here's a funny thing. Okay,

1483
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: here's my here's my inner conflict. I've had issues with

1484
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: members of both crews. What words yea with Quest, don't

1485
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: tell me his wife five my dog piece? No, Jerobe,

1486
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: I love Jerobi. Yeah. So I wanted to book Q

1487
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: tip for something and I wasn't asking for a discount

1488
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: and he was kind of like treating it like I was,

1489
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 1: and it was giving me to run around and was

1490
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: it time he was dating? I'm Janet Jackson. Uh No,

1491
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: this is maybe like seven five years ago, five six

1492
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: years ago so now, but this is after Viber now

1493
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: that I think about it, five years ago, yea after

1494
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 1: so all right, So here's the thing. So we have

1495
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: a back and forth and I'm like, I don't know

1496
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 1: who fuck this motherfucker think he's talking to right now.

1497
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: And it's like I goof around and I could play

1498
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But I could become a different

1499
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: person if I have to. So this is yeah, yeah,

1500
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 1: so well it was a different We talked on phone,

1501
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: but he was banging his chest a little something while

1502
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: he was on tax and I'm thinking, like, I don't know,

1503
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 1: he's confused right now, like he's talking to the wrong dude,

1504
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: because and I said, you know what, my dude, you

1505
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 1: do you fuck you? And by the way, when you

1506
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,560
Speaker 1: had that beef with rex and effects and all that,

1507
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: all that all that hardware was waiting outside in case

1508
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: something jumped off. I'm the one that supplied that shit

1509
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, yeah, so that's why. But then I

1510
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: love his music, you know. So and then you know,

1511
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: Lord Jamara with the whole trying to separate black and

1512
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 1: lat you know, as I'm not with that shit, you know.

1513
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: But then I love you know, I have an affinity

1514
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: to the gods. Wait, I thought Lord Jamar, I mean

1515
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I Lard Jamara. Um, it was Lord jam People are guests. No, no, no,

1516
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: he said Puerto Ricans are guests in headline? Did he

1517
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: say that? Yeah. I spoke with him. I spoke with

1518
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: him on the phone and and uh. He started to

1519
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: get a little live with me on the phone. I'm like, yo,

1520
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 1: my dude, Like again, I don't know who the fuck

1521
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: you think you're talking to, but I'm not the one,

1522
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: like what's up? And then you know, we get to

1523
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: the question of like yo, I asked him, like, all right, well,

1524
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: if you think we're a guess how long did it

1525
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: take to create hip hop before we got in because

1526
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: now you have to deal with actual facts and timelines.

1527
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: And they's like, oh, yo, I gotta go get my kids,

1528
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: Like I'll call you right back. And he never called

1529
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: me back. But you know, to me, I only make

1530
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: those calls and I don't do it online because that's

1531
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: some bullshit. I called them up. You know, we hit

1532
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 1: each other up directly. I'm like, you know, because I

1533
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: want to make sure that we're not contributing to the

1534
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: division of black and Latino people when we need to,

1535
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: we're we're stronger. It's like, it's like this, somebody told me,

1536
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: because we have our own ship within Puerto Rico. Someone

1537
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: said on a panel, They're like, yo, Puerto Ricans need

1538
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 1: to decide whether they want to be three million on

1539
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:57,560
Speaker 1: the island, five million elsewhere, or eight million together. So

1540
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: for me with black and Latin, you know, I'm like, yeo,

1541
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: let's sayings together because we got the same struggles, you know,

1542
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, we all know

1543
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 1: that dividing conquer is the place. Yeah, and I think

1544
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: the problem, Yeah, the problem is that a lot of

1545
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: fair skinned people, whether they're light skinned Black or light

1546
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: skin Puerto Rican, they start playing that car and that's

1547
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: where it becomes difficult for us because they want an

1548
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: easy path. So you know, yeah, I don't know how

1549
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: the funk I got to that because brand Nubian out,

1550
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: but yeah, man's I got love for both of them.

1551
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: But I think that's we We all have inner family

1552
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: conflict within hip hop. So I don't think you picked either. Yeah,

1553
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, yeah to the Rex and effect, for

1554
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: I kind of want to hear this. Okay, So we

1555
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: know the story, you know, the beef and the first

1556
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: first story was back exactly so bo Bo that's the

1557
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: big homie. Yeah, so Bo that was my dude, and

1558
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: we had um some transactions going on, and uh, he

1559
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 1: was just like, Yo, we're gonna do this thing at

1560
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: the mosque, but we don't know how it's going to

1561
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: happen and we need we need some weight, and I'm like,

1562
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: all right, I got you covered. So we made sure

1563
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: that a lot of the whale wells around the mosque

1564
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: were this is when they were gonna squash it, or

1565
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: this is when he was when they were gonna squash it.

1566
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: But we didn't know what was gonna happen, but we

1567
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: had to be prepared. And it was one of us

1568
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: was from Harlem, right slash Virginia and yeah, so we

1569
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: had to make sure that you remember what they beef

1570
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: was about. Yeah, it was hardcore rapp that new Jackson

1571
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: said it in the right. It's some immature bullshit. It was.

1572
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,560
Speaker 1: It was pity everyone was young, but um at that

1573
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: time that happened to be have access to certain things

1574
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: and it was my little side hustle in between jobs.

1575
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Haven't hammers huh yeah? Yeah yeah and distribution and yeah,

1576
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: so I just supplied what needed to be there and

1577
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: make sure that yeah, down I was back in qute.

1578
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: Tipp was hardcore bro, but he never knew. Like again,

1579
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: I don't talk like now we could talk because it's

1580
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:35,759
Speaker 1: like like I would pass childhood bullshit. Seven had nothing happened.

1581
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: It's like seven years. This is we told about thirty years. Yeah, yeah, no,

1582
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: but there's no statutory on murder. No, no, we can't

1583
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah, thank nothing happened. Yeah no, exactly.

1584
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Nothing happened, thankfully because at the end of the day,

1585
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 1: for you and for hip hop, yeah exactly, because that

1586
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 1: would have been bad for everybody, everybody. But you know,

1587
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,560
Speaker 1: to me, I just felt like, yo, qute tip just

1588
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: say yes or no. You don't have to string me

1589
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 1: along like and don't talk down to me. Especially you

1590
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: don't even know that I fucking had your back and

1591
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: you didn't. I never even threw that at your face

1592
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,759
Speaker 1: to let you know that I was the one taking

1593
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: care of everything. I mean, maybe it was a miscommunication

1594
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: with you guys on the day. I mean, I'm trying

1595
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: to benefit all cute tip man's act. Hey, here's the

1596
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 1: thing I think, but you got to work it out.

1597
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but but but somebody should never underestimate the

1598
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 1: power of a person in front of you. You know.

1599
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: And I may she'll be cool or whatever, but if

1600
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 1: my back's up against the one, I have to flex. Yeah.

1601
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: I have the means, But I also don't hang out

1602
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 1: with certain people because I know that if I have

1603
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: an issue, they want to accelerate shit to the worst level.

1604
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I had to stop hanging out with

1605
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people that would ride or die for

1606
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: me like that because that should will get me killed. Right,

1607
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: Let's stay positive energy. Yeah, I'm more about helping people,

1608
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: pushing hip hop and yeah, let me tell you. Yeah,

1609
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 1: here's the thing you do not understand. Number one, I'm

1610
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: proud of you guys because thank you. You know, not

1611
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 1: many people can maintain that relevance this long, that this

1612
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: game and giving it to our heroes. Yeah. Yeah, and

1613
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: it's just hold on, let me just stop you for

1614
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 1: one second. I don't mean to make it's about you,

1615
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: but you're a hero. Thank you, like um all the

1616
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: things that hip hop has received a black eye for

1617
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, and sometimes I won't fall absolutely Okay, Yeah,

1618
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I know I know the dumb shit that I've done

1619
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: in my life. Right, Okay, let's finish quick time A

1620
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: slim well he was saying, he was talking, Okay, let's talk.

1621
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 1: I forgot I got love for both of them were

1622
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: already trained. Okay, yes, New Jack City or Juice, uh

1623
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: New Jack City. Okay, you don't need to explain unless

1624
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 1: you want to. No, I just didn't like the fucking

1625
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 1: last line of juice. I'm like, well, you got the

1626
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: juice now, because you remember when that word came that work. Yeah,

1627
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 1: it was. This was corny the way they used the way.

1628
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 1: But I mean, juice is a great mean you listen

1629
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: to that and then you hit rock Kim's Sake the juice. Okay, Um,

1630
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 1: this one. I don't know where you're gonna go with

1631
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: this one. You're saying it, yeah, I gotta go. I

1632
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: gotta say this one. Nas or jay z Nas I've

1633
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: I bought and and those are two of my top

1634
01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 1: all time MC's. But there's no other M in every

1635
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: form that I bought more than Illmatic and what you

1636
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: meaning form from CD, VINLS, TD to everything. Yeah, because

1637
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,719
Speaker 1: you know I DJ also, so that means your records

1638
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: getting sucked up, stolen or whatever, and you know you

1639
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 1: gotta have that allomatic. Your alomatic saved my life. I

1640
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: gotta do. Yes, you gotta do that vinyl or tape

1641
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: vinyl or tape NL. And that's the ef An answer too.

1642
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 1: I think you take a shot just for that. Just

1643
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: you relax, relaxed, relax. The next one is a good

1644
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 1: one for me. Kick Capri or red Alert, Red Alert. Okay,

1645
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 1: I know Kick Capri before he blew up. I know

1646
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: him from the nineteen eighty when he used to hang

1647
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: out with this other crew over on the Upper West Side.

1648
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I knew him before his fifty stallion at

1649
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: that time. No, he was you know, he happened to

1650
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to get him something. He used to

1651
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 1: hang around with this group called the Shamrock Crew. Uh.

1652
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: And it's funny. Shit is that they're fucking Shamrock Crew

1653
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 1: but they're all black. I didn't get that right. Yeah,

1654
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you a funny stories. So we're in

1655
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: a Zulo meeting one day and this brother walks in.

1656
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,680
Speaker 1: It's like a recruitment day, and you know, we bug out.

1657
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: We're all stupid. But you know, if somebody say something

1658
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 1: funny or or something to make you think you're gonna

1659
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: say something. So say you had the Zulu meeting, Zulu

1660
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: Meeting and bron day in the nineties, recruitment day. Yeah. Yeah,

1661
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: So this dude, there was this one crew that comes

1662
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 1: in and they will all put Puerto Rican and they're like,

1663
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 1: we'll called the lepre couns, and Bambada's like, okay, well,

1664
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna call your selves out of what you

1665
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: are culturally, why are you calling yourself like that, like

1666
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 1: you're like lucky Charms or what it was your deal?

1667
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: And then this other brother, he was super dark skinned

1668
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:59,839
Speaker 1: Ethiopian style, and this motherfucker says, yeah, my name is Spook,

1669
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 1: and we're like this, like yeah, what the fuck? Oh

1670
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 1: my god? Oh yeah, oh Baky has kicked. All right,

1671
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 1: let's put critize. We want to talk about. Okay, guy,

1672
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: Studio fifty four, Land Quarters, Latin Quarter. Yeah, I've never

1673
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: been there, but I did perform at Studio fifty four

1674
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty or eighty one. But you said you've

1675
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 1: never been to where like quarter, never went to lan

1676
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 1: Queener Pickie land Quarter. Yeah, because that's a significant hit,

1677
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: legendary right right right? Yeah, I respected that. Yeah, Okay,

1678
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: you want to do take this so me and yeah,

1679
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: and you always say that this is the only one

1680
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 1: that everyone should kind of take a shot for because

1681
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: we believe one goes with the other. But it doesn't matter.

1682
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 1: You can do whatever your it's loyalty or respect, oh, loyalty.

1683
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: Loyalty is the definition of respect. We agree. Yeah, that's

1684
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 1: why we're taking a shot for that. Yeah. Yeah, that's

1685
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: not why we're taking a shot for We're just taking

1686
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: a shot. You wanted to elaborate on that, like, why

1687
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: is loyal to the definition of respect? Um, you can

1688
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: still respect someone fuck up on them, but you can

1689
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: still be loyal to them. You know. I could fuck

1690
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 1: up on you, could be whatever's going on in my

1691
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: own head. Yeah, but intent is everything. I don't intentionally

1692
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: mean that ship And at the end of the day,

1693
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: we could be at odds. But if we have a

1694
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,600
Speaker 1: certain amount of history between us, when you're at your

1695
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 1: worst moment, I'll be there for you no matter what.

1696
01:40:54,720 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 1: I expect that. Yeah, I'm that dude. Let me ask you,

1697
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: when you've traveled internationally battling, what country has been the biggest, like,

1698
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest headache and battle, like who who

1699
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 1: really was a force to reckon with internationally? Here's the thing,

1700
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: like a big battles, international battles and all that stuff.

1701
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: I've never really had to do. Um, But what I

1702
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: recognized is what other people bring to the game. And

1703
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 1: a while back, I went to Russia to this place

1704
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: that's close to the border of Kazakhstan and was born

1705
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: back there, so he was battling. And here's the thing.

1706
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 1: All these little white kids are like the best dances

1707
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 1: in the house. They got fucking mad, soul flavored rhythm,

1708
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, what kind of pain did these

1709
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 1: motherfuckers go through? Right, you know? And then they told

1710
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 1: me that they were from like a war torn area,

1711
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, so so what growing up the way I

1712
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: grew up and all of our it's around us. I

1713
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I get it, Like I can see

1714
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: like like when like either you have I feel like

1715
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,600
Speaker 1: either you have soul or you don't, or you just

1716
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: haven't found your lane yet. But when you see people

1717
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 1: who are dancing and that it's not theatric it's just

1718
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: the real pain that they show, I think that's dope

1719
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 1: and I can relate to that. So it was there, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1720
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes I feel like you could be

1721
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: like the dopest visually dynamic person, but if I could

1722
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 1: walk away feeling your emotion as you're rocking out, that's

1723
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: more important to me because I'll remember that more and

1724
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: I'll never forget those kids now, Like I'm bringing it

1725
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: up now, I don't know they've never met them, but

1726
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 1: they left an impression of soul in me and that

1727
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 1: was better than any meals like in that part of

1728
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 1: the world. And I and we we've talked about this

1729
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: story several times, like they really fight to have hip

1730
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 1: hop in their lives because we went nothing else, like

1731
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 1: we had nothing. We went to Russia and the people

1732
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: that brought us out work were called hip hops, you know,

1733
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: Russians against racists, like they were bro and then they

1734
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 1: had they had they had the buttons. It actually star yeah, yeah, yeah,

1735
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 1: And I've had interesting experiences in Russia. No, Russia's hard.

1736
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 1: I was brought out there by by Lola Card. Oh,

1737
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: which is what Ola Card. The people that run ship

1738
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:31,719
Speaker 1: the richest motherfucker the un likes people like the people

1739
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 1: that that's yeah, these are like the richest people. And

1740
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: when you're talking about power, these people can just like

1741
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 1: open up a bank in the middle of the night,

1742
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 1: that kind of power. Yeah, so I got to do it.

1743
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,560
Speaker 1: Russia is an interest. It was good financially good, but

1744
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't enjoy ourselves. No, we went to

1745
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: the clubbing man has key masks. Let me connect you.

1746
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: Then I got the blood. We got the heat phase.

1747
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: I want to go, well, after they stopped fucking warring. Yeah,

1748
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:10,599
Speaker 1: you know the Russian people, Funny and the one who

1749
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 1: made this right here, he also used to be a

1750
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 1: stick up kid too. Goddamnit, he's throwing you under the bus.

1751
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: This motherfucker used to walk walking around with a big

1752
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 1: ass blade corporate. Yeah no, and Sunny didn't murder yesterday.

1753
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah nah. But you know, I think

1754
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 1: number one. I don't know if you ever heard anyone,

1755
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 1: but you know, we actually used to go sticking up

1756
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 1: with your brother too, wow with with Hey, I'm gonna

1757
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 1: tell you how dumb ship was back then, since we

1758
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 1: were so young and and I'm not gonna throw their

1759
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 1: names out there, but there was these two kids that

1760
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 1: we stuck up outside of a graffiti like now an

1761
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 1: art supply store. They had just they had just stolen

1762
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 1: away whatever they stolen, and then we robbed them, and

1763
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: then a week later they became part of my crew.

1764
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 1: Makes sense. Weird shit, but let's get let's get to

1765
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 1: this story right to New York City Breakers. They were

1766
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 1: originally floor masters. Yes, and you hand picked the floor

1767
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: masters because according to their story, I believe this is

1768
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 1: their story. Their story is convenient, but their story was

1769
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 1: you guys picked them because you thought that y'all could

1770
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 1: beat them. Now. So we had this show coming up

1771
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 1: in the Grill nightclub and that was like nineteen eighty two,

1772
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:44,679
Speaker 1: and we were tired of doing shows where we would

1773
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: perform a battle y'all against each other each other, yes,

1774
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: and we knew we had these little rivalries in the city,

1775
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 1: like New York City Breakers, some of them we all

1776
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 1: went well, some of us went to Kennedy High School.

1777
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: And I was just like, y'all, you know, the same

1778
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: way I selected Dynamic Rockers, which got them into Star Wars.

1779
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 1: I selected New York City Breakers because it's like, yo,

1780
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 1: let's have a real battle, right, And that's how And

1781
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 1: then it's funny thing is that Michael Holman who became

1782
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 1: that manager. He asked us that same night, like hey,

1783
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,600
Speaker 1: I want to be a manager, and like like as me,

1784
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: Frosty Freeze and take one and again like arrogant, ignorant motherfuckers.

1785
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: We're like laughing in his face, like nah, I get

1786
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here. No, hell no, And he

1787
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 1: ended up meeting Floor Masters that night, and that's how

1788
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,559
Speaker 1: they became New York City Breakers because he started managing them.

1789
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 1: So floor Masters floor Masters became New York City Breakers. Yeah,

1790
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 1: did they have other I swear there was floor Masters

1791
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: out here in Miami. No, it may have been a

1792
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 1: different crew, Okay, yeah, but they didn't have chapters Flora

1793
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: floor Flora floor floor floor. You know flow who from

1794
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:03,560
Speaker 1: the commercial she gives you so but I'll tell you

1795
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 1: a wild story just to your show. One day, we

1796
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 1: go to dance Cteria, right, and we go on a

1797
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: night that isn't our night. And this is a place

1798
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: where you mean, isn't our night? Like like like we

1799
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 1: had like that party that went from the grill went

1800
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 1: to danceteria. It was called Wheels of Steel, and yeah,

1801
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 1: would have from Tuesday or thursdays. It would be on

1802
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:27,600
Speaker 1: like Wednesday, Wednesdays. Because then it turned the name of

1803
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 1: the party was Wheels is still Wednesday, Okay. And so

1804
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 1: we go on a different day. I'm like, hey, you

1805
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 1: know the guy's guy who's a legendary dorman, uh danceteria.

1806
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: Here we ended up being like the guy at the Palladium.

1807
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 1: Um like hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

1808
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 1: no no, this is guy Howie. Uh so yeah, I

1809
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 1: know I know, yeah, yeah, and I got beef or whatever. Okay.

1810
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 1: So um, we go into that ceteria and we're going

1811
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 1: there like we all dudes like from the hood, and

1812
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,600
Speaker 1: it's just like all gay, Like all right, well this

1813
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 1: might not be all night. So it was a gay

1814
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 1: gay it was a private party. It turned out that

1815
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,560
Speaker 1: it was gay. And we go there and we're like

1816
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 1: looking on stage and it guys on the mic, and

1817
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he brings someone up on

1818
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: stage and dude starts giving him head on stage and

1819
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 1: we're like yeah, and we're like yo, all right, well

1820
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: we gotta get out of here now, like this ain't

1821
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,439
Speaker 1: our scene. Let me do that thing. So I get outside.

1822
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, how we um just happened on stage?

1823
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Oh that's Freddie Mercury. Oh s

1824
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 1: birthday from Queen Freddie Mercury from Queen. He was the

1825
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 1: one get yeah, And I'm like, yo, what the fuck man?

1826
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's crazy but legendary all at the

1827
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 1: same time. Hey, I wanted to I may as well

1828
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 1: bring something good, right, I don't know what to say,

1829
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, pretty Murcury though, right from Queen. No you

1830
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 1: don't know who it is? Yeah you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1831
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, even a rhapsody up. Yes, but no, some

1832
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 1: of my point is no Instagram back then. No for

1833
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 1: hip hop back yeah, for hip hop back then. The

1834
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: reason why hip hop became successful was because there was

1835
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 1: a genesis of the reggae scene, the punk round scene,

1836
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 1: and what was happening in the hood. So all those

1837
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 1: things coming together, it was just like a culture shock

1838
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: and we're like, y'all, these motherfucker's a wild or whatever.

1839
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 1: But at the same time, even with with like whatever

1840
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 1: the gay scene was, and even if a lot of

1841
01:49:55,200 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 1: us were like raised homophobic, um, a lot of that scene,

1842
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 1: they're the first ones to give us a stage. It's

1843
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: the counterculture side of it. Everything was counterculture. Yeah, that's punk.

1844
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: It was all counterfuls. And our manager was a punk person.

1845
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 1: There was a lot of gay people within her world,

1846
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 1: and those connections that she had to put hip hop

1847
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 1: on stage was from that community. The same here in Miami,

1848
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 1: some of the first hip hop parties were at known

1849
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 1: gay clubs. Not the parties weren't gay, right, not, but

1850
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,719
Speaker 1: the only people that would allow the parties to happen

1851
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: in their venue were venues that were doing gay events. Yeah, easily,

1852
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:42,679
Speaker 1: that's facts. The person who got us true are yeah

1853
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 1: yeah moment man, no no, no, no, hey that I

1854
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 1: brought you up. That's oh, it is what it is.

1855
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 1: It is what it is. That was a venue that

1856
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 1: and it's been this. But here's the thing. Here's the thing.

1857
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 1: Either we could confront our reality. It is our way

1858
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 1: through life. It doesn't make you anything different who It

1859
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,439
Speaker 1: just makes you a better person to be able to

1860
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 1: like be like all right, cool, well, no problem whatever

1861
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 1: you know. But um but at the end of the day,

1862
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 1: you can't deny that. Like, if you want to talk

1863
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 1: about how hip hop got its platforms, its first platforms,

1864
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 1: you might want to question who those people were, because

1865
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 1: there may have been people there who are looking out

1866
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 1: for you that you actually grew up not liking. Expand

1867
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,720
Speaker 1: on that, meaning that if you're a fucking homophobe but

1868
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 1: you don't know that and you love hip hop, but

1869
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 1: you don't know that a lot of those clubs were

1870
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 1: clubs that were owned by gay people or run by

1871
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: gay people, but gave hip hop its first platforms, it's

1872
01:51:57,320 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 1: how oh shit, and then you gotta hate them, like

1873
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm not a homophone. I don't give a fuck. You

1874
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: know it ain't hurting me, right, and you know that's right. Yeah,

1875
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 1: that's real. Yeah, that's real. So let's talk about USA

1876
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 1: Skating Ring. You went out there, yep in Queens and

1877
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 1: you said you broke even uh yeah, yeah. So we

1878
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:19,800
Speaker 1: went out to their turf and to me, if I

1879
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 1: battle you on your turf for your crowd and it's

1880
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 1: and by by audience, it's a tie, I'm not. I'm

1881
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: thinking in my mind, yo, we smoked these motherfuckers, like like,

1882
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm in your neighborhood and it's a tie, and we don't.

1883
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 1: We don't. We're not bringing our own judges. So we

1884
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 1: ended up getting a gig at Lincoln Center August of

1885
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,799
Speaker 1: eighty one, and and and we're don't watching Lincoln Centers

1886
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. I always thought Lincoln Center was in the bronx. Well,

1887
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 1: what what's the thing about Fordham for the Forum? Because

1888
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 1: for Fortam has a bronze campus. Okay, so um I

1889
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 1: invite you know. That's that's how we ended up battling

1890
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 1: dynamic rockers for a second time. And that's when it's

1891
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 1: like for Melsey's on my we are I don't even

1892
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 1: know who the DJ was. But um, it was the

1893
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 1: first time hip hop was at Lincoln Center, right, and

1894
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,160
Speaker 1: that was just like the definitive, like neutral ground, like

1895
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 1: we smoked you motherfuckers, and like if you were interviewed them,

1896
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 1: they would never talk about it, right, it never even

1897
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 1: comes up in there in their history. Mister lead you

1898
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 1: over there making noise in your way, Dominican b B.

1899
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 1: You're the only one talking. You know, one who starts

1900
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 1: he makes the stone gave me quiet, no one, no, no,

1901
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 1: we don't like listen. We know we know that. I'm

1902
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna tell me to do it, mister Lee get to

1903
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: Porto Ricans and not getting along. God, so they were

1904
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 1: like the new the New Hicks. We already went through

1905
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: our face all shit, crazy likes. Hey, but it's true

1906
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: at one point we went them. It's always a new group.

1907
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: And now in New York, well, I'm not gonna get it.

1908
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:07,720
Speaker 1: They'll get offended if I bring it up right now.

1909
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 1: Oh now, mistill, He's like, I can talk now. You

1910
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 1: always have people us at the handball court because we

1911
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: were nice. Yo. But but but yo, bro, how the

1912
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 1: hell are you have the Benjamin Button's disease? You would

1913
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 1: verse in ages. You still look exercising of dancing. Actually,

1914
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 1: I slacked off on my exercising. I love boxing, that's

1915
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 1: my that's my that's my first love right there before dance.

1916
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: So I love doing that. And um yeah, my girl

1917
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 1: fucking be on my case because she's Japanese and she

1918
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:48,400
Speaker 1: eats different. Yeah no, I think, Um, a little bit

1919
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 1: of denial goes a long way. It's gym, a little something.

1920
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:55,520
Speaker 1: I choose not to be overweight as best I can,

1921
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 1: and that's difficult because throughout my life, I've been through

1922
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. If you know, like if there's

1923
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 1: like the six million dollar man that's to me, I've

1924
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: had maybe seven surgeries. I probably need three more. Yeah

1925
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,400
Speaker 1: remember him. And you know, it's crazy because I'm a

1926
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:19,400
Speaker 1: part of hip hop, which the element determines when you stop.

1927
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:23,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's not me. The element decides that. It's like,

1928
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 1: all right, your body's done. You can't like you can

1929
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 1: keep you can spit bars. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, it's

1930
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:35,920
Speaker 1: all good. It's cool. Yeah, I ain't injuring my elbows. No, nor.

1931
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 1: I used to be going like, you know, what's a

1932
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 1: crazy thing had? And this is like the main turning

1933
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 1: point for me as a kid is that um I

1934
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:53,760
Speaker 1: was scheduled to be in the Junior Olympics for boxing,

1935
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 1: but I didn't have the fourteen dollars registration fee and

1936
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 1: that was when it was like, okay, well I'm gonna

1937
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:05,560
Speaker 1: be dancing instead. So you know, boxing is my first love.

1938
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:08,520
Speaker 1: I love fighting. I don't mind getting punched in the face.

1939
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: It's cool. It wasn't um uh v boying and the

1940
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 1: Soufa Olympics wasn't in the Soufa Olympics. It was in

1941
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:19,400
Speaker 1: the Youth Olympics. It's called in twenty eighteen and what elsidas? Okay,

1942
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:22,280
Speaker 1: yeah cool? And now is is it going to get

1943
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 1: in the twenty It's in twenty twenty four Paris? And wow? Yeah.

1944
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean I still have my reservations because I need

1945
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:33,520
Speaker 1: to see how it plays out. Because to me, if

1946
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 1: there needs to be a pathway that leads back to

1947
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 1: the hood, that creates a level playing field for black

1948
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 1: and brown people to be able to have access to

1949
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 1: the resources that gets them to your Olympics, because it

1950
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 1: comes from us, and if it comes from us, we

1951
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 1: should have that first opportunity at a level playing field.

1952
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 1: And are they also going to create some sort of

1953
01:56:55,520 --> 01:57:03,640
Speaker 1: ambassadors to ambassador ambassadorship ambassador ship program that leads into

1954
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 1: communities to educate people on how we as a people

1955
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 1: contributed and created this, because how does this system work?

1956
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 1: Like these people come and compete and then if they

1957
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: win the Olympics, they get the gold medal or whatever. Yeah,

1958
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 1: if they lose, they completely out of they go straight

1959
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 1: back to the hood. That's it. So and so for me,

1960
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:27,840
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, is the Olympics the

1961
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:31,920
Speaker 1: great fucking international platform. Yeah, it is what it is.

1962
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 1: But basketball is in the Olympics, but the Olympics will

1963
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:39,200
Speaker 1: never be the NBA. So we need to maintain our

1964
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: ship when it comes to like those independent events that

1965
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,880
Speaker 1: hip hop throws and continue to support those because the

1966
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 1: Olympics is once every four years to make hip hop

1967
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:53,640
Speaker 1: and the people here the elite, yeah, just like NBA elite. Yeah.

1968
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 1: And that means that we have to lift each other

1969
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:59,200
Speaker 1: up instead of take each other down. Right, That's real.

1970
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 1: That's Could you imagine people training to be in the

1971
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:06,760
Speaker 1: Olympics as B boys and B girls and they don't

1972
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 1: even give a fuck about hip hop at all as

1973
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 1: a culture. I can't imagine that like, I want to

1974
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 1: train to play handball and the Olympics. Yeah, but you're

1975
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican player. I did think handball me too. Olympics,

1976
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:23,840
Speaker 1: I would like, oh I thought it was no. Hey,

1977
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that they called it some mother

1978
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 1: ship when it was in the Youth Olympics. They called

1979
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 1: it some they called it so not one. Like like,

1980
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 1: right now, one of my messengers missions is, uh, can

1981
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:41,040
Speaker 1: I raise some sort of money through some sort of

1982
01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 1: corporation or organization that is hip hop to support the

1983
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,800
Speaker 1: people that are representing breaking in the Olympics, because right

1984
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 1: now there's not one hip hop entity that's supporting any

1985
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:56,000
Speaker 1: B boy of B girl in the Olympics right now.

1986
01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 1: So you're telling me Rock Nation is not nobody, No

1987
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:07,720
Speaker 1: Rock rocks that zero nation nation, Yes, one revolt, no one,

1988
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,760
Speaker 1: absolutely no boy. And these people need and here's the

1989
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 1: thing they need to nobody. No One's zero. That's a

1990
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 1: pill nobody about rock Steady. I would tell you, well,

1991
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 1: if we had the resources, I do it immediately, no problem.

1992
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean I should maybe just say that maybe if

1993
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 1: you say, maybe maybe this is where it happens, you know,

1994
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:32,160
Speaker 1: G unit Unit. But shouldn't Rock steady, be like consultants

1995
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 1: to what they're doing to oversee. Yeah, but then you

1996
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:37,400
Speaker 1: have to figure out, like, all right, who are the

1997
01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:40,320
Speaker 1: people leading cash money. I don't think the record of

1998
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 1: that money. I don't think the record should be pair enough.

1999
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean to sponsor, Yes, sponsor made some bread, sponsor,

2000
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 1: Yes we want you know what I watched. I watched

2001
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,600
Speaker 1: this golf tournament that it was similar to that where

2002
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 1: if you win the golf tournament, you get everything, but

2003
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:59,520
Speaker 1: if you lose, you get nothing. But the people that qualify, Yeah,

2004
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 1: but the people that don't get nothing, they still have

2005
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 1: private jets, They still because these people who sponsor them

2006
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 1: just because they had their logos on yeah yeah, something

2007
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:10,000
Speaker 1: like that. And that's what I'm trying to advocate for

2008
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 1: because I know the brothers and sisters that are in it.

2009
02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:17,400
Speaker 1: And if it's crazy, because six hundred thousand gets from

2010
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 1: through the next year into the Olympics to be able

2011
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:24,160
Speaker 1: to make the qualifiers, hire a trainer, you know, meal programs,

2012
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:26,640
Speaker 1: all that stuff doesn't even start at the qualifying level

2013
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 1: like the DS like like DMC, like shouldn't it be

2014
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah it does. But I know the people

2015
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:35,520
Speaker 1: who already guaranteed to go in who have done enough already.

2016
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 1: But it's like they may have like small sponsorships here

2017
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 1: and there, but there's no one footing the bill to say, yo,

2018
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:46,280
Speaker 1: you're good from here to the Olympics. That should only

2019
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:49,640
Speaker 1: cause six hundred thousand dollars. That's it each person or

2020
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 1: the whole group, the whole group, oh wow, to give

2021
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:54,960
Speaker 1: them some peace of mind and be like, yeah, I

2022
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 1: don't have to work, you know, I could just focus

2023
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 1: on dancing, you know. I mean, if it's Olympic, that's

2024
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:03,280
Speaker 1: the way it should be. Yeah. And then the fact

2025
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 1: is that like that ship was born here and a

2026
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:10,400
Speaker 1: lot of watches got more. Yeah. So the thing is,

2027
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:12,240
Speaker 1: if you look at I think a lot of the

2028
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:16,400
Speaker 1: other countries, they're supporting their people. The country US is

2029
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:19,640
Speaker 1: not not one company in the US. But let me

2030
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:22,720
Speaker 1: ask you, is that hip hop's responsibility? And that's but

2031
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:25,280
Speaker 1: that's why I set first. There's not one hip hop

2032
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:29,120
Speaker 1: entity that has stepped up. But maybe we don't know that,

2033
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:31,840
Speaker 1: like maybe no, but but actually I know what you're

2034
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:35,000
Speaker 1: stepped up to inquire. I'm not gonna bring them up,

2035
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:39,280
Speaker 1: but anybody but yeah, yeah, nah, nah, you have another

2036
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:41,760
Speaker 1: shot get this man another shot, and we go we're

2037
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna play at least you know how I

2038
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:46,600
Speaker 1: get down. Yes, yes, yes, yes, but you know you

2039
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 1: know what this is. This is I don't take a

2040
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 1: shot too, this is this is a hip hop save

2041
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:55,480
Speaker 1: his own I believe that people are four fallers. You know,

2042
02:01:55,600 --> 02:01:58,320
Speaker 1: CO signed this show. And it's not about you know,

2043
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:01,360
Speaker 1: blowing nobody up. It's just about telling the truth, not

2044
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:04,880
Speaker 1: to say you know what I mean because you had

2045
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:09,480
Speaker 1: a brother on here the other day and we went

2046
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:12,600
Speaker 1: and and and and and then he says to me,

2047
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:15,960
Speaker 1: you know this, this is gonna get me in trouble, right,

2048
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:24,560
Speaker 1: And I go, it should right, and it should? You listen.

2049
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:27,800
Speaker 1: I say this a lot. Maybe I didn't say this

2050
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 1: on the show, but the truth is more powerful than

2051
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:33,440
Speaker 1: a lie. Always if it's a truth, Yeah, if it's

2052
02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:37,200
Speaker 1: a truth, go for it. The truth is more powerful

2053
02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:39,760
Speaker 1: than a lie because a lie you don't identify with

2054
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:41,680
Speaker 1: the line and correct. A lot of lie will go

2055
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 1: away eventually. But the problem has their own truth. No,

2056
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:48,800
Speaker 1: not when it's four niggas at his own table and

2057
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:54,320
Speaker 1: everybody saying I remember that that is one's millions percent

2058
02:02:54,440 --> 02:02:56,560
Speaker 1: solid to the truth, and when you try to run

2059
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 1: away from that, it's going to pot back up. That's

2060
02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:03,200
Speaker 1: all I mean. Hold on you, I'm gonna tell you,

2061
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:04,760
Speaker 1: like when it comes to the truth. The way I

2062
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 1: see it is like this, there's a lot of people

2063
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:09,720
Speaker 1: that I know. I know that the deep shit, that dirty,

2064
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:13,360
Speaker 1: I know that dirt. But even if they die, it's

2065
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:16,440
Speaker 1: that the safe zone because when they died, it's still

2066
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:19,560
Speaker 1: got kids. I gotta fucking live that legacy. I don't.

2067
02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't want, I don't, so I choose to make

2068
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:26,040
Speaker 1: sure that you know, honestly, like if we did dirt

2069
02:03:26,120 --> 02:03:28,640
Speaker 1: together and you fucking even if you turn your back

2070
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 1: on me, I'm still not gonna snitch, you know, because

2071
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:35,400
Speaker 1: it's bigger than that for me. And that could be

2072
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:39,640
Speaker 1: my own ghetto trauma, stupidity or whatever it is. But

2073
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:43,200
Speaker 1: that's just however, and that's everybody should have moral grounds

2074
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:44,880
Speaker 1: that they stand on. I could suck up a lot

2075
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:48,640
Speaker 1: of people's careers right now easily, you know, and people

2076
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:53,320
Speaker 1: I probably deserve it, but I'm still not gonna do it. Right, Okay,

2077
02:03:54,160 --> 02:03:57,320
Speaker 1: that's real ship. Now, let me ask you, B boy

2078
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:02,920
Speaker 1: originally stand for boy. Yes, yeah, So we established that

2079
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:06,200
Speaker 1: breakdown dancing isn't what B boy. So when you see

2080
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:08,440
Speaker 1: people from Brooklyn calling itself a B boy and people

2081
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:12,600
Speaker 1: from Queens, yes, no no, no, no no no, so

2082
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:17,000
Speaker 1: no because she evolves and that's cool. Only it's only

2083
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:19,880
Speaker 1: when you're not that. So I was in San Francisco

2084
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:22,720
Speaker 1: and like around ninety three and I go to this

2085
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:26,280
Speaker 1: event that run DMC isn't and you asked one DMC

2086
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:29,000
Speaker 1: about the B boy and they say, because when it

2087
02:04:29,080 --> 02:04:33,760
Speaker 1: came to Queens, it's signed a f lie Yes, damn ye. Yes.

2088
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:37,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know. I was like,

2089
02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:39,480
Speaker 1: I was like, because I was sitting there, I was like,

2090
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:43,440
Speaker 1: fuck to say the juth as a queen's worst. I

2091
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:46,240
Speaker 1: wish they had a better answer or was that. I

2092
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:49,280
Speaker 1: appreciate that because then we found out that jam Assid

2093
02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:53,840
Speaker 1: Jay was actually a B boy. Oh that he actually danced, Yes,

2094
02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, jam Master Jay and everything was a B

2095
02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:01,720
Speaker 1: boy though, yeah, yeah he was. He was. He was

2096
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:10,040
Speaker 1: for them too, you d y yeah, man during the

2097
02:05:10,120 --> 02:05:13,840
Speaker 1: Source Awards, which Source Awards, Oh, I'll tell you When

2098
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:17,520
Speaker 1: run DMC was performing, I was in the nineties and

2099
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:21,920
Speaker 1: I feel like rock Steady DJ's at the time mixed

2100
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 1: Mass to Mike Hubert and DJ Appollo. They were performing

2101
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:28,280
Speaker 1: after Source Awards as rock Steady DJ's and they did

2102
02:05:28,360 --> 02:05:34,800
Speaker 1: their routine in rehearsal, did the Peter Piper routine in rehearsal. Yeah, yeah,

2103
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:38,600
Speaker 1: they did that routine. No one said anything. So during

2104
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:43,360
Speaker 1: the show they started doing that running running. The gonna

2105
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 1: perform after, so they're pissed off because nobody wants that

2106
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:50,840
Speaker 1: music played before they performed. And they pulled the plug

2107
02:05:50,920 --> 02:05:53,240
Speaker 1: on them in the middle of in Madison Square Garden

2108
02:05:54,120 --> 02:05:56,120
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting like in the front row and i

2109
02:05:56,200 --> 02:06:00,600
Speaker 1: just feel the plug run DMC, run run run run,

2110
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:03,560
Speaker 1: pull the plug on the DJ playing his music. Yes,

2111
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:07,360
Speaker 1: yeah on the DJ. I'm saying, yeah, yeah, I feel that.

2112
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:10,120
Speaker 1: So I ran up from I ran up into the

2113
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 1: stage and the back audience and me and him talking

2114
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:15,120
Speaker 1: shit like it, and I'm like, yo, what the fuck

2115
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, because okay, let me stop me for a second. Recently,

2116
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:25,240
Speaker 1: I see Whiz Khalifa come on stage and do the

2117
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:27,320
Speaker 1: same thing. He'd be ready to DJ like he went

2118
02:06:27,400 --> 02:06:29,760
Speaker 1: in and then I see every DJ in the world,

2119
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:32,560
Speaker 1: Oh you mean yeah, yeah, that was why kind of

2120
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:36,160
Speaker 1: like go against them the situation you're subscribed. No, no,

2121
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:39,320
Speaker 1: this is different because they did a rehearsal, everybody knew

2122
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:41,680
Speaker 1: what was gonna be played. But in the middle of

2123
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:44,000
Speaker 1: the show, in front of a packed audience of seven

2124
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:47,080
Speaker 1: thousand people as a paramount theater, they're gonna go pull

2125
02:06:47,120 --> 02:06:49,720
Speaker 1: the plug on them and humiliate them. They came from

2126
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:55,760
Speaker 1: San Francisco this j yeah. Yeah, And so you know,

2127
02:06:55,920 --> 02:07:01,080
Speaker 1: me and run mostly got into it, and and you know,

2128
02:07:01,160 --> 02:07:02,840
Speaker 1: he was up in the stairway and I'm trying to

2129
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 1: get at him and people holding me back because it's

2130
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:07,120
Speaker 1: just like, yo, I'm not gonna let you bullying my

2131
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:09,000
Speaker 1: dudes there, my crew, I don't give a funck who

2132
02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:12,320
Speaker 1: you are. And yeah, that was it. I'm still a

2133
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:14,680
Speaker 1: fan though. Did you have an aff at the time

2134
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:20,960
Speaker 1: at that time, yeah, Bruce Water, No, you envisioned his

2135
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:31,560
Speaker 1: own like you know, I'm good man. I had to

2136
02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:34,360
Speaker 1: put this up like this all right before I'm all right,

2137
02:07:34,440 --> 02:07:37,160
Speaker 1: this is this is this is a pre question. But um,

2138
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,960
Speaker 1: I gotta ask it because I see people trying that

2139
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:46,920
Speaker 1: we created. Can fat laces ever come back? We started

2140
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:50,840
Speaker 1: fat Laces that ninety nine cents store. Don't tell me

2141
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 1: don't tell me if we use its store ye from

2142
02:07:54,600 --> 02:08:00,280
Speaker 1: elastics that would be used for um uh do you say,

2143
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:05,200
Speaker 1: what's the word? I'm looking for people who who seem

2144
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:08,240
Speaker 1: stress and shit like that. So that's how we started.

2145
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:13,160
Speaker 1: From our perspective. Even before that fat lass was about

2146
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 1: taking regular laces, wet them, take the tip of the iron,

2147
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:22,480
Speaker 1: pressed down and then widened them out. And in the

2148
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:26,600
Speaker 1: seventies and then yeah, yeah, who made the creases? I

2149
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:30,120
Speaker 1: don't know, man, you gottat that's some Yeah, that's some

2150
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:32,080
Speaker 1: older dude ship and I see that and paid in

2151
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 1: fall and he was asking for the creases. Yeah, I

2152
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 1: used my creases on the leaves riders. Well you should

2153
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:41,960
Speaker 1: snatch Lee patches. Uh no, we would. There was this

2154
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:46,760
Speaker 1: place called Martin Brothers on Fordham Road and then they

2155
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 1: had a patch that said ONYX and those are like

2156
02:08:50,120 --> 02:08:52,760
Speaker 1: the high end Lee riders. But that was the spot

2157
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:54,960
Speaker 1: we got our leaves over there. I should snatched Lee

2158
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:59,800
Speaker 1: passes patches and collect um the Mercedes bench Oh yeah,

2159
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 1: but Cadillac I was so poor. I was pop the ship.

2160
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was like like, yo,

2161
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:22,960
Speaker 1: little Poppy, we know you don't Lettauck Cadillac. Hey, I

2162
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:26,440
Speaker 1: just want to be clear on one thing, Like, so,

2163
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:29,880
Speaker 1: to me, when I talk about the negative shit in

2164
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:31,440
Speaker 1: my life that I've done or I've been a part

2165
02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:35,800
Speaker 1: of an experience, it's not to brag about it or

2166
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:39,120
Speaker 1: celebrate its history. It's just no, it's yeah, it's history.

2167
02:09:39,200 --> 02:09:42,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, to be able

2168
02:09:42,120 --> 02:09:44,560
Speaker 1: to turn your life around and just walk away from

2169
02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:49,560
Speaker 1: shit before it hits that next level, you know, there's

2170
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:53,560
Speaker 1: a lane for that too, you know. And I guess

2171
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:55,560
Speaker 1: trying to show people like yo, you know, yeah, we

2172
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:57,040
Speaker 1: all come from a lot of us come from a

2173
02:09:57,080 --> 02:10:00,160
Speaker 1: fucked up situation. I can tell you ship that alow

2174
02:10:00,240 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 1: your mind. But but when um people hear those stories,

2175
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:07,640
Speaker 1: but they don't hear like hey, but I'm doing this X,

2176
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:10,160
Speaker 1: Y and Z right now. You know, we gotta give

2177
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 1: that contrast to give them some clarity, like, Yo, my dude,

2178
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:16,000
Speaker 1: you don't have to stay stuck on stupid or or

2179
02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:19,960
Speaker 1: be susceptible to that peer pressure, you know. And I

2180
02:10:20,080 --> 02:10:22,400
Speaker 1: think that's the power of hip hop, to be honest

2181
02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:25,440
Speaker 1: with you. Although you know, hip hop has a bad

2182
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:28,000
Speaker 1: rap and there's a lot of fucked up shit, but

2183
02:10:28,160 --> 02:10:30,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the illest part about hip hop has

2184
02:10:30,120 --> 02:10:33,400
Speaker 1: turned a lot of people's lives around. Yeah, it's giving

2185
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:37,200
Speaker 1: us lives. Yeah, it's giving us careers, it's given us pathways.

2186
02:10:37,320 --> 02:10:40,880
Speaker 1: Most power in the world right now, Yeah, not just

2187
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:45,120
Speaker 1: but not just musically, like in this totality art. Yeah,

2188
02:10:45,240 --> 02:10:49,160
Speaker 1: it's amazing artists selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars now.

2189
02:10:49,600 --> 02:10:52,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, like my boy that was just tagging and

2190
02:10:52,120 --> 02:10:55,760
Speaker 1: bombing and fighting in the streets over fucking tags. Now

2191
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:58,560
Speaker 1: he's fucking selling his ship for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

2192
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 1: You know, Like it's amazing to see that, you know,

2193
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,440
Speaker 1: to see b boys and be girls that that that

2194
02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:06,280
Speaker 1: that there were just these hood kids in the neighborhood

2195
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:09,480
Speaker 1: dancing traveling the world. You know, that's amazing to me.

2196
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:14,360
Speaker 1: And you danced for Queen Elizabeth. Yeah, Elizabeth and Queen

2197
02:11:16,440 --> 02:11:18,320
Speaker 1: but she's on the land, Madonna, and you grind it

2198
02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:21,320
Speaker 1: on Madonna. You're grinding on Madonna. Yeah before she blew up,

2199
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:25,680
Speaker 1: she never That picture out there was taken by Henry

2200
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:30,760
Speaker 1: child Fund and it was at dance sing terriat No, honestly,

2201
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now. So there's all right,

2202
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:38,960
Speaker 1: So she used to come to the rocks He and

2203
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:41,400
Speaker 1: hang out. But before that, again, we were at Dancing Teria,

2204
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:44,080
Speaker 1: so I saw one of her person person her first

2205
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:48,440
Speaker 1: performances there and before she became like Madonna, you know,

2206
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 1: before she had a single out. But um, when she

2207
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:54,160
Speaker 1: used to hang out at the rocks He, you know

2208
02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot. She'd be hanging out with a lot of

2209
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:58,960
Speaker 1: my boys who are Latino. And I'm sure Mayor has

2210
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:01,480
Speaker 1: some stories because you know, you probably know some of

2211
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:03,280
Speaker 1: the people who went to hang out of her. What

2212
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 1: was homie dude from all our records that made Jellybean

2213
02:12:06,200 --> 02:12:09,760
Speaker 1: jelly Bean believe her. That was later a little bit later, Okay, okay,

2214
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:12,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, But the thing is is that I wasn't

2215
02:12:12,720 --> 02:12:15,680
Speaker 1: ever into white girls, but she wasn't. Let's let's be honest.

2216
02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:17,320
Speaker 1: She was. She was kind of in tune with hip

2217
02:12:17,400 --> 02:12:21,320
Speaker 1: hop early on. Absolutely yeah, for the eight from the eighties. Yeah,

2218
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:25,240
Speaker 1: and that's because she met us in danceteria. But I

2219
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:27,080
Speaker 1: wasn't into white girls, but a lot of my boys

2220
02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:30,720
Speaker 1: she used to go and hang out. Nah, fuck that shit.

2221
02:12:31,480 --> 02:12:34,160
Speaker 1: I was only dating black and Puerto Rican girls back then.

2222
02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:39,480
Speaker 1: I said, I said, dance for Queen Elizabeth. Oh, Queen Elizabeth. Yeah.

2223
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:42,360
Speaker 1: So when I was there, when we went to perform

2224
02:12:42,440 --> 02:12:45,720
Speaker 1: for Queen Elizabeth, I'm over here looking at her like,

2225
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta shake her hand. And she had

2226
02:12:48,360 --> 02:12:51,120
Speaker 1: the jewels around her neck. She smelled like marijuana. Nah,

2227
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:56,280
Speaker 1: she had these jewels around her neck. So I'm supposed

2228
02:12:56,280 --> 02:12:59,120
Speaker 1: to be looking at her in her eyes like you know,

2229
02:12:59,160 --> 02:13:01,720
Speaker 1: your highness whatever, and I'm like, damn, I want to

2230
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:09,480
Speaker 1: snatch that ship. Oh my god, he's gonna say that.

2231
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean again, that's and that's that double life. Did

2232
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:17,440
Speaker 1: you know what it meant to for the Queen? Did

2233
02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:20,200
Speaker 1: you know what it meant to you? Now? You didn't

2234
02:13:20,240 --> 02:13:22,000
Speaker 1: give it a fun? Wait? Wait wait, wait, this a

2235
02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:24,680
Speaker 1: two part question. Did you know what it meant? Or

2236
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:27,240
Speaker 1: did you I didn't know what it meant. Okay, maybe

2237
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:29,320
Speaker 1: that's real. You didn't know. I didn't know what it

2238
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:32,879
Speaker 1: meant because we grow up. We don't know the president

2239
02:13:33,200 --> 02:13:36,720
Speaker 1: coming from the hoods. Yeah, you want to meet James Brown,

2240
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:40,080
Speaker 1: But she was blah blah, you know, but you know

2241
02:13:40,160 --> 02:13:42,320
Speaker 1: who she was what she was. Yeah, I didn't give

2242
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:45,400
Speaker 1: a fuck. Okay, Yeah, it meant nothing to me. I

2243
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:48,640
Speaker 1: didn't grow up that way. You know it got to

2244
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:53,560
Speaker 1: pick the pick. Oh, this is the pick mcdonna. We

2245
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:55,200
Speaker 1: got going back to Madonna. I might ask you again.

2246
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:57,000
Speaker 1: You're not gonna carr Madonna back in the day they man,

2247
02:13:57,120 --> 02:14:01,280
Speaker 1: leave me the fun out of crazy legs. He was outside,

2248
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:08,920
Speaker 1: Let me see he was he was outside. It was outside. Yeah,

2249
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:12,600
Speaker 1: you're right your yeah, but she was cool. She's cool.

2250
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fust she was not a virgin, absolutely

2251
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:25,000
Speaker 1: not or the very first time I doubt that guy. Yeah,

2252
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:28,240
Speaker 1: and then homegirl Debbie Maze how used to hang out

2253
02:14:28,280 --> 02:14:33,480
Speaker 1: with us. His brother dated Debbie Maze Hard and that

2254
02:14:33,600 --> 02:14:36,440
Speaker 1: was when she was called Debbie m Right. Yeah, yeah,

2255
02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:38,000
Speaker 1: I had an amazing time. Man, let me take a

2256
02:14:38,040 --> 02:14:41,600
Speaker 1: shot for it was fun. Like one time we end up,

2257
02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:44,720
Speaker 1: we get, I noticed how he was not sticking away

2258
02:14:44,720 --> 02:14:50,920
Speaker 1: from the shots to stick again. Yeah, I take another drink. Look.

2259
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:53,560
Speaker 1: So one time we get, we get invited to go

2260
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:56,720
Speaker 1: to a recording studio because some recording artists as a

2261
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:59,840
Speaker 1: fan of ours and they want to surprise him with

2262
02:14:59,880 --> 02:15:03,520
Speaker 1: a like in studio performance. And this is like nineteen

2263
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:05,880
Speaker 1: eighty two and he's like one of the biggest artists

2264
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:09,600
Speaker 1: out there. And uh, we go, then it's fucking David Bowie.

2265
02:15:09,880 --> 02:15:14,320
Speaker 1: Oh sure, YouTube? Huh no, no, David Bowie. Let's dance,

2266
02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:18,480
Speaker 1: David Bowie, not YouTube? What's it? Who's your YouTube? David?

2267
02:15:19,960 --> 02:15:26,360
Speaker 1: But it's bad Let's dance? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, so yeah,

2268
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:29,760
Speaker 1: So we were having like interesting times like that, meeting

2269
02:15:30,280 --> 02:15:34,640
Speaker 1: like really bugged out punk rock people. Me, Prince Nah,

2270
02:15:34,680 --> 02:15:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean Prince Michael Jackson I met when I worked

2271
02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:41,080
Speaker 1: on a bad video. Tell us about that. But you

2272
02:15:41,160 --> 02:15:43,320
Speaker 1: were on the on the set, Yeah, yeah, I was

2273
02:15:43,400 --> 02:15:45,120
Speaker 1: in it was it? Who was in that set? Wasn't

2274
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:49,600
Speaker 1: all Westley Wesley Night. So I auditioned with Martin Scorsese

2275
02:15:50,120 --> 02:15:53,440
Speaker 1: for the Wesleys for that part. Really Martin Scorsese didn't

2276
02:15:57,120 --> 02:16:02,480
Speaker 1: but that I don't know, it's not all relevant. I

2277
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:06,000
Speaker 1: auditioned for him, and uh, I knew I didn't get

2278
02:16:06,040 --> 02:16:08,120
Speaker 1: the part immediately because he was just like, yo, you know,

2279
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:10,760
Speaker 1: like when you live a little, I think you'd be

2280
02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:14,440
Speaker 1: a really good actor. And I'm like, he said, live

2281
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:19,360
Speaker 1: a little, yeah, like meaning more wisdom, life explie. Yeah. So, um,

2282
02:16:19,880 --> 02:16:23,400
Speaker 1: Wesley got the part, and I ended up being an

2283
02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:25,920
Speaker 1: extra on the train scene in the long version of

2284
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:28,040
Speaker 1: the video, But I got to hang out with him,

2285
02:16:28,080 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 1: take a picture of me and him and with Michael.

2286
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:35,640
Speaker 1: You know who Martin Scorsese was. I found out years later,

2287
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:40,160
Speaker 1: So I'm like auditioning, not giving a fuck, don't know

2288
02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:44,640
Speaker 1: who he is and in the job. Yeah, but in

2289
02:16:44,760 --> 02:16:49,440
Speaker 1: that picture you're looking at kadem Hardison is in there too. Yeah, yep,

2290
02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:52,720
Speaker 1: Kadeem Hardison is right there. So how was Michael? Did

2291
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:58,440
Speaker 1: you probably blew up? You interact with Michael one? Huh? Miked?

2292
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:02,320
Speaker 1: I felt like my was just going pulled out a bag.

2293
02:17:02,440 --> 02:17:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean he might tell me that that might. All

2294
02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:09,119
Speaker 1: I did was asking for a photo and an autograph

2295
02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:12,760
Speaker 1: where you start struck by Michael, to be honest, Yeah, absolutely, yes,

2296
02:17:12,879 --> 02:17:15,760
Speaker 1: he was Mike back then eighties. Yeah. I mean he's

2297
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:17,800
Speaker 1: the biggest pop star in the world. Yeah, and our

2298
02:17:17,879 --> 02:17:21,760
Speaker 1: film sets there's a certain decorum. You can't really cross

2299
02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:25,440
Speaker 1: certain lines. And he's not just that one Michael. You

2300
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:28,680
Speaker 1: got Michael from the Jackson five, who's already a celebrity,

2301
02:17:28,680 --> 02:17:32,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's that's real, That's cool,

2302
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:35,400
Speaker 1: damn it. Man. We come across some interesting people like

2303
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:39,640
Speaker 1: Tina Turner, Gene Kelly, like you're dealt with Tina Turners. Yeah,

2304
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:43,440
Speaker 1: tell him. So we were going to perform in Holland

2305
02:17:44,480 --> 02:17:49,640
Speaker 1: and hell huh Holland. Yeah that space Cakes, Space Cake.

2306
02:17:49,720 --> 02:17:53,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember, so maybe yes, that's Holland, that's Holland.

2307
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:59,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's not Hollanddale maybe too. Drking Dragon

2308
02:17:59,800 --> 02:18:05,520
Speaker 1: coming holiday. I look at him, Sorr. Yeah, No, she

2309
02:18:05,680 --> 02:18:07,440
Speaker 1: just wanted to meet us. We were all performing on

2310
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:10,920
Speaker 1: the same show. And uh, it's kind of like this,

2311
02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:13,400
Speaker 1: the person wants to meet you, and and we're super young,

2312
02:18:13,600 --> 02:18:16,520
Speaker 1: so we still don't really know who the fuck she

2313
02:18:16,680 --> 02:18:23,200
Speaker 1: is anyway, back then, did we cares like the message?

2314
02:18:23,240 --> 02:18:27,040
Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy. We're looking at the back tfo.

2315
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:30,600
Speaker 1: We don't give a shit about that, you know. So, yeah,

2316
02:18:30,720 --> 02:18:33,280
Speaker 1: we met her. That happened with Gene Kelly, like another

2317
02:18:33,360 --> 02:18:36,440
Speaker 1: surprise visit. That's the kiss Gene Kelly. No, that's Gene Simmonds,

2318
02:18:36,600 --> 02:18:41,240
Speaker 1: all right exactly, Jean Kelly, legendary dancer, tap dancer shit. Yeah,

2319
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:45,680
Speaker 1: we um, we lived some ghetto rock star shit. It

2320
02:18:45,800 --> 02:18:50,000
Speaker 1: was cool. So we didn't kick up back then at all.

2321
02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:53,600
Speaker 1: You know, we did in terms of what I don't know,

2322
02:18:53,640 --> 02:18:59,680
Speaker 1: I got up means something different. But who's somebody that

2323
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:02,000
Speaker 1: that that that told you they was a fan that

2324
02:19:02,120 --> 02:19:07,000
Speaker 1: she was blown away from. Well, the queen was a fan.

2325
02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:10,040
Speaker 1: She was an actual fan to my queen Elizabeth. Yeah,

2326
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:12,640
Speaker 1: she was a fan of She was actual fan. Really, Yeah,

2327
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 1: try to break down George. I mean, come on, he

2328
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:22,120
Speaker 1: was a fan the comedian No man, Yeah he was

2329
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:26,400
Speaker 1: because I saw so they used to have like fan

2330
02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:29,600
Speaker 1: mail back then, and and uh in the fan mail,

2331
02:19:29,600 --> 02:19:31,960
Speaker 1: it's like all these questions that the fans asking, then

2332
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:35,320
Speaker 1: you fill out each one. So in his answer when

2333
02:19:35,360 --> 02:19:38,280
Speaker 1: he puts music that he bought or who he's into,

2334
02:19:38,640 --> 02:19:44,960
Speaker 1: he put rock Steady Crew. That's dope. Yeah, makes so

2335
02:19:45,600 --> 02:19:48,280
Speaker 1: who in hip hop were you a fan of that

2336
02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:50,680
Speaker 1: you met that you kind of were like fan boyed out.

2337
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:55,840
Speaker 1: That's within your own world though, like Cat Grandmaster Haz

2338
02:19:56,000 --> 02:20:00,720
Speaker 1: is my hero, you know, Charlie Chase is also my boy. Uh,

2339
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:04,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, I would say grand Master cast because he

2340
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:09,400
Speaker 1: represented the battle in every way, so and I you know,

2341
02:20:09,480 --> 02:20:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm all about the battle. So how old are you

2342
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:14,280
Speaker 1: when you first meet him? Fuck? I was a fan

2343
02:20:14,360 --> 02:20:17,440
Speaker 1: of his and watching from the outside the ropes in

2344
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:20,120
Speaker 1: seventy seventy I probably saw him seventy seven, seventy eight.

2345
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember when he got into Cold Crush, but

2346
02:20:23,320 --> 02:20:25,320
Speaker 1: whenever he got in, that's when I became a fan

2347
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:29,080
Speaker 1: of his. And so it was home alone too that

2348
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:32,959
Speaker 1: you I was an extra. It was an extra. It's

2349
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:36,000
Speaker 1: funny too. And that's the same place that used to

2350
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:38,600
Speaker 1: rob people. That's what That's what it is. I asked

2351
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:42,040
Speaker 1: you that earlier. Yeah, I did a little bit. Yeah yeah, yeah, no.

2352
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:45,640
Speaker 1: So it's funny because we had a certain name and

2353
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into it because I get canceled immediately.

2354
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:51,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm talking about the area

2355
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:54,240
Speaker 1: and uh such a part. We had a certain name

2356
02:20:54,320 --> 02:20:59,560
Speaker 1: for it. But uh yeah, and in eighty two, I

2357
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:03,080
Speaker 1: think was the highest crime rate of Central Park. And

2358
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:07,440
Speaker 1: let's just say I was associated with a lot of

2359
02:21:07,720 --> 02:21:13,160
Speaker 1: people involved with that and him being one of them. Damn,

2360
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:16,600
Speaker 1: come out your court. And the crazy said is that,

2361
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:18,040
Speaker 1: you know you at a certain point you had the

2362
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:21,440
Speaker 1: Guardian Angels, like we had competations with them. They were

2363
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:23,879
Speaker 1: confronting Hall. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't know how

2364
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:27,760
Speaker 1: to take that because you know, at that age, you're

2365
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:31,000
Speaker 1: thinking like Guardian ages with the yeah, yeah, they're braided. Yeah,

2366
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:33,400
Speaker 1: they were ever raised. Yeah, so you know you funked

2367
02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:35,320
Speaker 1: out all of them was on cocaine as well. Huh

2368
02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:37,880
Speaker 1: we found out the Guardian age, I wouldn't Yeah, I

2369
02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:40,200
Speaker 1: want to be surprised. Man. It was just it was

2370
02:21:40,320 --> 02:21:42,879
Speaker 1: dudes like us who acted like they really knew karate

2371
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:46,840
Speaker 1: and we believed the ship believed them too. By the way,

2372
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:51,200
Speaker 1: right in the train, seeing the Guardian Angels being up

2373
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:55,400
Speaker 1: nine to eleven felt safe. I felt safe. I can't

2374
02:21:55,440 --> 02:21:58,760
Speaker 1: out front on them. Were they necessary evil in that time? Probably?

2375
02:21:59,080 --> 02:22:01,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say that evil. Man, I know what

2376
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Who he was Italian? He was Italian? No sleewa,

2377
02:22:06,959 --> 02:22:10,920
Speaker 1: that he was what's his name? The guards Sleewa? You

2378
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:14,600
Speaker 1: know he was like who the dude the main guy? Yeah,

2379
02:22:14,959 --> 02:22:19,600
Speaker 1: I thought he was Italian sea. I don't know, there's

2380
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:21,840
Speaker 1: a documentary. No matter what he was, he wasn't one

2381
02:22:21,879 --> 02:22:26,920
Speaker 1: of us, Okay, yeah, yeah, And that's when they had

2382
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:29,600
Speaker 1: like Hector Camacho and all these other dudes doing like

2383
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:34,360
Speaker 1: anti graffiti campaigns. Hector Camacho did an anti yes, am

2384
02:22:34,400 --> 02:22:43,400
Speaker 1: I right, who else anti graffiti campaign? But yeah, but

2385
02:22:43,480 --> 02:22:47,320
Speaker 1: you look at it, this way the outer world of

2386
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:51,879
Speaker 1: our existence was paying our own people to campaign against us,

2387
02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:55,760
Speaker 1: right right the well, New York City, they had a

2388
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:59,280
Speaker 1: big campaign against us. Wow, it's kind of like how

2389
02:22:59,360 --> 02:23:02,840
Speaker 1: Trump took it add out against these brothers from the

2390
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:10,240
Speaker 1: same shit good that was. It's horrible. Yeah, So let's

2391
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:13,359
Speaker 1: talk about uh, Jimmy D and Jimmy Lee, the founders

2392
02:23:13,360 --> 02:23:16,640
Speaker 1: of the rock Steady Crew. Yeah, then how did they? Um,

2393
02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:19,279
Speaker 1: how did you meet them to get down with rock Steady?

2394
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, so there was this place called mom and

2395
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:25,240
Speaker 1: Pop's Disco on Katona Avenue in the Bronx. You love

2396
02:23:25,320 --> 02:23:27,840
Speaker 1: Katona Avenue. Man, you gotta you gotta buy coltona Aue.

2397
02:23:27,840 --> 02:23:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I started. Yeah, you gotta buy

2398
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:31,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah. So you got an accident on there,

2399
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:33,920
Speaker 1: that's where you first got You had an accident on

2400
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:36,320
Speaker 1: Katona Avenue. And what do you mean, no, no, no,

2401
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:38,760
Speaker 1: didn't you fall or something like that? Well, that's where

2402
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:40,440
Speaker 1: you made the windmill, because that's why I made you

2403
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:43,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to fall? Okay, I'm sorry? Yeah right, So, um,

2404
02:23:44,920 --> 02:23:47,320
Speaker 1: Jimmy D. I met them at this place ka mom

2405
02:23:47,360 --> 02:23:50,680
Speaker 1: and Pop's Disco, which was an underground nightclub this dude,

2406
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:53,000
Speaker 1: a little angel Puerto Rican Cat used to be the

2407
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:54,840
Speaker 1: DJ there and it was where a lot of the lot,

2408
02:23:55,080 --> 02:23:58,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the premiere be boys and be girls

2409
02:23:58,240 --> 02:24:01,160
Speaker 1: would be with, especially within a lot the community. So

2410
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:04,000
Speaker 1: I went there like maybe seventy seven, seventy eight, and

2411
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:06,760
Speaker 1: at this time, I'm sorry to cut you off, but

2412
02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:09,840
Speaker 1: be boy and is probably more important than MCM. And

2413
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:13,480
Speaker 1: now everything was dope, everything was on the same, everything

2414
02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:16,160
Speaker 1: was okay, it was a fresh. Yeah, it was all dope,

2415
02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:19,360
Speaker 1: all fresh because you remember, like Kaz Mellie Mel, all

2416
02:24:19,360 --> 02:24:22,199
Speaker 1: of them used to be B boys, right, so they

2417
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:25,200
Speaker 1: always had a relationship. And when you have people like um,

2418
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:28,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy d and Jimmy Lee who are notorious at the

2419
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,960
Speaker 1: same time, they were going to get that respect no

2420
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:35,120
Speaker 1: matter what because they were a threat, you know. So

2421
02:24:35,480 --> 02:24:37,959
Speaker 1: but and these are two fucking dudes that never grew

2422
02:24:38,040 --> 02:24:41,080
Speaker 1: up to be tall, you know, and but they were

2423
02:24:41,640 --> 02:24:43,720
Speaker 1: they were s they were fearless. Yeah, they were fearless.

2424
02:24:44,440 --> 02:24:49,760
Speaker 1: And uh so when I everyone on watch out for

2425
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:55,560
Speaker 1: a little guy everyone yeah. So um yeah, as soon

2426
02:24:55,600 --> 02:24:57,760
Speaker 1: as I met them, I was maybe like eleven years old,

2427
02:24:58,360 --> 02:25:00,160
Speaker 1: and the first thing they did was taking to go

2428
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:04,360
Speaker 1: do snatch a purse And it didn't work out, but

2429
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:10,080
Speaker 1: that was my introduction the purse snatch. Now it was

2430
02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:12,560
Speaker 1: fucking desolate and the bronx. There was no one there

2431
02:25:12,920 --> 02:25:19,600
Speaker 1: to rob, no purses around the hooks at Hunts Point,

2432
02:25:20,120 --> 02:25:24,039
Speaker 1: say tumbleweed and ship because then you help um uh

2433
02:25:24,360 --> 02:25:27,640
Speaker 1: cleaned up Hunts Point as well. Yes, I became part

2434
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:31,320
Speaker 1: of a program. Well, I created a program within the

2435
02:25:31,480 --> 02:25:35,920
Speaker 1: Point Community Development Corporation because a lot of my boys

2436
02:25:35,959 --> 02:25:37,960
Speaker 1: had already dropped off, you know, so a lot of

2437
02:25:37,959 --> 02:25:41,640
Speaker 1: people have been murdered. And I was facing a situation

2438
02:25:41,800 --> 02:25:46,680
Speaker 1: of do I go in deeper and and go all

2439
02:25:46,760 --> 02:25:50,720
Speaker 1: the way and finish this out, or do I just

2440
02:25:51,080 --> 02:25:53,680
Speaker 1: walk away and just say fuck it, this ship is dumb.

2441
02:25:54,440 --> 02:25:57,200
Speaker 1: And I walked away, and I said, Okay, from this

2442
02:25:57,360 --> 02:25:59,760
Speaker 1: point on, I'm gonna get back to the community. I'm

2443
02:25:59,800 --> 02:26:03,440
Speaker 1: get use my talent to save the lives of the

2444
02:26:03,560 --> 02:26:07,120
Speaker 1: people who made the same bad decisions that led to

2445
02:26:07,200 --> 02:26:10,680
Speaker 1: all of my boys' deaths. So I volunteered for three

2446
02:26:10,800 --> 02:26:14,320
Speaker 1: years at the Point for three days a week, teaching

2447
02:26:14,440 --> 02:26:17,120
Speaker 1: dance and throwing events and you and bringing these kids

2448
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:20,280
Speaker 1: to like wetlands and we take over the club, and

2449
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:23,560
Speaker 1: I put the kids at the at the box office.

2450
02:26:23,640 --> 02:26:25,879
Speaker 1: I let them sell the merch, I let them host

2451
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:29,080
Speaker 1: a show, I let them run the B Boy battle everything,

2452
02:26:29,160 --> 02:26:32,279
Speaker 1: and to give them some sort of dignity and pride

2453
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:34,760
Speaker 1: and understanding of how to do business. And that was

2454
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:37,760
Speaker 1: like the first gentification to hunts Point. Ye back then

2455
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:41,720
Speaker 1: everyone knew hunts Point for one thing, and this is

2456
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:45,680
Speaker 1: positive gentification. Yeah yeahs he took the hook us out,

2457
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:51,880
Speaker 1: he started dancing. Yeah. Well, Disney, Well, Disney took the

2458
02:26:51,920 --> 02:26:54,560
Speaker 1: peep shows out, and he brought in dis nance and

2459
02:26:54,720 --> 02:26:57,280
Speaker 1: he took the hookers out, and he brought in B

2460
02:26:57,480 --> 02:27:01,640
Speaker 1: Boy and god damn it. Yeah, here's the whole huts point.

2461
02:27:01,760 --> 02:27:03,920
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you right now, here's here's a

2462
02:27:03,959 --> 02:27:07,040
Speaker 1: crazy shit. You do shit like that and you're still

2463
02:27:07,240 --> 02:27:10,840
Speaker 1: like not in tune with your emotions in terms of

2464
02:27:11,000 --> 02:27:14,240
Speaker 1: like the damage that you've experienced in your life and

2465
02:27:14,400 --> 02:27:17,400
Speaker 1: how that affects you, you know, and how much of

2466
02:27:17,440 --> 02:27:20,520
Speaker 1: a ticking time bomb you are fucking tears later on

2467
02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:23,680
Speaker 1: when you're you're dealing with remorse. So when you have

2468
02:27:23,800 --> 02:27:27,680
Speaker 1: a brother call you twenty years later and knowing that

2469
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:30,320
Speaker 1: he lived right around the street or a corner from

2470
02:27:30,320 --> 02:27:32,480
Speaker 1: a place where there's a line waiting for a crack

2471
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:36,040
Speaker 1: housle open every day, just like New Jack City, exactly

2472
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:40,920
Speaker 1: like that. So, Um, when they call you twenty years later,

2473
02:27:41,879 --> 02:27:45,040
Speaker 1: randomly at different times, like yo, you saved my life,

2474
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:49,200
Speaker 1: like I'm doing this, this and this now these other

2475
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:51,720
Speaker 1: people are dead, but you saved my life because I

2476
02:27:51,959 --> 02:27:56,360
Speaker 1: got down with you, and that should change. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2477
02:27:57,000 --> 02:28:00,280
Speaker 1: and I'm not. And the crazy thing is that I

2478
02:28:00,440 --> 02:28:03,280
Speaker 1: was still pulling myself out of some dirt. So the

2479
02:28:03,360 --> 02:28:07,440
Speaker 1: struggle was again, still living two different lives while trying

2480
02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:11,520
Speaker 1: to go in the right direction and not fall into like,

2481
02:28:11,879 --> 02:28:16,000
Speaker 1: fuck that motherfucker. We should hurt him, you know, hurt people,

2482
02:28:16,080 --> 02:28:18,800
Speaker 1: hurt people, hurt people helping people. Yeah. So, and the

2483
02:28:18,920 --> 02:28:21,039
Speaker 1: thing is is that, you know, again, it goes back

2484
02:28:21,080 --> 02:28:24,960
Speaker 1: to um, not pulling myself away from people who will

2485
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:28,280
Speaker 1: happily do damage. There's a person and I'm not again,

2486
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm not bringing his name up. He used to run

2487
02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:35,120
Speaker 1: this area that we're in right now, and not raw again,

2488
02:28:36,120 --> 02:28:42,039
Speaker 1: I am not saying names, but when when that person,

2489
02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in this area when Zulu and

2490
02:28:44,959 --> 02:28:48,039
Speaker 1: all these guys were Yeah, so so when that person

2491
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:52,080
Speaker 1: heard that somebody was getting sideways with me, that person

2492
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:55,840
Speaker 1: was approached and I can't. I can't have that happening.

2493
02:28:55,920 --> 02:28:58,040
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, yo, might duty like you're gonna

2494
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:03,720
Speaker 1: get me some conspiracy charge here? What are you fucking doing? Right? So, yeah,

2495
02:29:04,600 --> 02:29:06,800
Speaker 1: it's good to have the ride of dies, but sometimes

2496
02:29:06,840 --> 02:29:09,080
Speaker 1: you gotta walk away from that ship because it'll it'll

2497
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:11,680
Speaker 1: kill you. Right, So let me ask you if I

2498
02:29:11,720 --> 02:29:15,120
Speaker 1: don't ask you this question about to ask you, you

2499
02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:18,840
Speaker 1: know about thirty years maybe forty years ago, probably understand

2500
02:29:19,560 --> 02:29:22,160
Speaker 1: exactly what you're gonna say, right, but I'm gonna ask

2501
02:29:22,200 --> 02:29:24,240
Speaker 1: you to it right now. If you woke up today,

2502
02:29:25,360 --> 02:29:29,760
Speaker 1: right and you had all the hip hop history erased

2503
02:29:29,959 --> 02:29:34,560
Speaker 1: and we're just based in Europe from what you heard

2504
02:29:34,600 --> 02:29:39,280
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty three on how much of the original

2505
02:29:40,840 --> 02:29:44,120
Speaker 1: DNA of hip hop still exists right now me and

2506
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:49,120
Speaker 1: depends on which that action you look at it? Yeah,

2507
02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:52,400
Speaker 1: that is the truth. Yeah, Okay, so you just pick

2508
02:29:52,440 --> 02:29:59,960
Speaker 1: wishes direction and you want to go. Hip hop is divided. Uh, Yeah,

2509
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,200
Speaker 1: of the industry that thinks it's hip hop, but doing

2510
02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:07,040
Speaker 1: an element of hip hop could care less about the

2511
02:30:07,120 --> 02:30:09,680
Speaker 1: rest and then you have a lot of self righteous

2512
02:30:09,800 --> 02:30:12,840
Speaker 1: hip hop heads and we it would be nice if

2513
02:30:12,879 --> 02:30:15,920
Speaker 1: we met in the middle somewhere. Okay, self righteous hip

2514
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:20,080
Speaker 1: hop answer? Who? Meaning that anything that this group over

2515
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:23,200
Speaker 1: here does that's into the industry is horrible because the

2516
02:30:23,280 --> 02:30:27,360
Speaker 1: com it's commercial. Like I listened to modern shit, you

2517
02:30:27,440 --> 02:30:28,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not trying to look at

2518
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:31,480
Speaker 1: some new ship as it's not hip hop because it's

2519
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:33,879
Speaker 1: not from my time? Are you with a little busy?

2520
02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:36,680
Speaker 1: I fuck with all that he breaks it to. He's

2521
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:40,560
Speaker 1: a b one too. It's like crazy, like I was

2522
02:30:40,600 --> 02:30:43,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be in one of his videos and you

2523
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:47,640
Speaker 1: a little together? Yeah one day, one day. He's a

2524
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:52,360
Speaker 1: good brother. But go ahead. But um, I think it's there.

2525
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:56,360
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's divided in a big way, right,

2526
02:30:56,720 --> 02:30:59,560
Speaker 1: and I think that that is bad for our community

2527
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:01,960
Speaker 1: because that's why you have this whole other thing of

2528
02:31:02,680 --> 02:31:07,640
Speaker 1: uh Latino where the Latinos there are not And it's like, yeah,

2529
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:10,760
Speaker 1: because you divided the elements, you divided the community. And

2530
02:31:12,200 --> 02:31:15,480
Speaker 1: what's happened is that hip hop is a commodity that

2531
02:31:15,800 --> 02:31:21,480
Speaker 1: is only traded in rap music and then the art,

2532
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:25,200
Speaker 1: the b boys, the DJs, they take it seriously. In

2533
02:31:25,320 --> 02:31:29,400
Speaker 1: terms of turntableism, they've all been splintered. We can't point

2534
02:31:29,400 --> 02:31:32,200
Speaker 1: where they don't even hip hop. I can't be mass

2535
02:31:32,280 --> 02:31:34,760
Speaker 1: produced like a record, so I can't make as much

2536
02:31:34,959 --> 02:31:38,039
Speaker 1: right right, So there's a big difference. I don't get

2537
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:42,119
Speaker 1: royalties off of something unless it's a film that I've

2538
02:31:42,160 --> 02:31:44,960
Speaker 1: been in. You get royalties every time your record is played,

2539
02:31:45,640 --> 02:31:48,680
Speaker 1: So there's a big difference. And think about and think

2540
02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:51,000
Speaker 1: about let's let's think about the if you want to

2541
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:53,560
Speaker 1: put it in a conspiracy, who benefits off of the

2542
02:31:53,640 --> 02:31:58,120
Speaker 1: splinter the The industry that that monetizes the music cannot

2543
02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:02,560
Speaker 1: monetize these other elements. So they said, okay, boom, we

2544
02:32:02,680 --> 02:32:05,920
Speaker 1: shed that this is hip hop. But you know what's crazy,

2545
02:32:06,040 --> 02:32:09,880
Speaker 1: I brung it up earlier. How much Europe to me

2546
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:13,000
Speaker 1: respects hip hop more If you actually think about it.

2547
02:32:13,800 --> 02:32:17,000
Speaker 1: In Europe, the B boy and the DJ is on

2548
02:32:17,160 --> 02:32:20,600
Speaker 1: the same level as the MC. Yeah they are, but

2549
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:23,720
Speaker 1: it's on the same level, and that's how to me. No,

2550
02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:26,440
Speaker 1: but it's changing, it's changing. It's they're they're changing with

2551
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:28,640
Speaker 1: us too as well. So you meaning that the MC

2552
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:32,720
Speaker 1: is becoming No, no, they're they're becoming more Americanized in

2553
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:34,840
Speaker 1: their view of hip hop. Well, I haven't seen you.

2554
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:41,040
Speaker 1: I haven't been. It's gone with damn, I know, trying

2555
02:32:41,080 --> 02:32:45,160
Speaker 1: to get a bag because I don't think it's nothing

2556
02:32:45,240 --> 02:32:47,280
Speaker 1: wrong with getting the bag. I no, but we still

2557
02:32:47,360 --> 02:32:50,240
Speaker 1: have the integrity list and that's the problem thing. So

2558
02:32:50,760 --> 02:32:53,800
Speaker 1: I've been doing these documentaries where I've traveled to different

2559
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:56,400
Speaker 1: countries trying to find hip hop, well, exploring the country

2560
02:32:56,440 --> 02:32:59,000
Speaker 1: through hip hop, through the scope of hip hop, and

2561
02:33:00,120 --> 02:33:03,440
Speaker 1: every single country, the same thing has been told to me.

2562
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:11,000
Speaker 1: You guys don't do hip hop anymore. You do business.

2563
02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:13,879
Speaker 1: You are not you. We don't, We do not look

2564
02:33:13,959 --> 02:33:16,520
Speaker 1: to you anymore. Now, these places that used to look

2565
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:20,440
Speaker 1: to themselves as the innovators, as the pioneers, they look

2566
02:33:20,480 --> 02:33:23,840
Speaker 1: to themselves and there and their neighbors. Like I went

2567
02:33:23,879 --> 02:33:27,600
Speaker 1: to Vietnam, Vietnam looks to Korean Japan and to themselves.

2568
02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:32,480
Speaker 1: I went to Colombia. Columbia by itself. Is it's like

2569
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:38,200
Speaker 1: hip hop hip hop? Diego was there too. I think

2570
02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:41,360
Speaker 1: the message in hip hop no longer exists from our

2571
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:45,080
Speaker 1: perspective over here, right fuck, you know, like where's the messaging?

2572
02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:48,120
Speaker 1: But we still got to what what sucks is that

2573
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:51,840
Speaker 1: hip hop is the number one cultural export of the

2574
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:55,160
Speaker 1: United States to the world, and the United States and

2575
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:58,920
Speaker 1: ourselves do not identify that and make sense of it

2576
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:01,360
Speaker 1: to and make make it a thing that we could

2577
02:34:01,400 --> 02:34:06,240
Speaker 1: either monetize or politicize or make it a political thing.

2578
02:34:06,360 --> 02:34:09,039
Speaker 1: We just don't use. And the fact that breaking comes

2579
02:34:09,160 --> 02:34:12,200
Speaker 1: from the fucking backyard of the United States and not

2580
02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:15,080
Speaker 1: one of them has been sponsored who are going to

2581
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:19,360
Speaker 1: the Olympics by anything in the United States shows how

2582
02:34:19,480 --> 02:34:25,480
Speaker 1: much regard they have for us. All Right, yeah, we're assholes.

2583
02:34:25,959 --> 02:34:29,440
Speaker 1: Well we're fucking shit up. Well, you know what, Um,

2584
02:34:31,440 --> 02:34:33,360
Speaker 1: We've been talking about this hip hop union for a

2585
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:37,600
Speaker 1: long time, right, me and E F n Um. When

2586
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:40,080
Speaker 1: we saw this show, it was like, Yo, I forget

2587
02:34:40,120 --> 02:34:42,280
Speaker 1: who was sick in hip hop? And it was like,

2588
02:34:42,360 --> 02:34:45,960
Speaker 1: wait a minute, the bills wasn't paid or something like that,

2589
02:34:47,000 --> 02:34:48,800
Speaker 1: and we were like, yo, hip hop needs a union.

2590
02:34:49,800 --> 02:34:52,880
Speaker 1: There's no way you can put in twenty thirty years

2591
02:34:52,959 --> 02:34:56,160
Speaker 1: of work, in your case, forty five years of work

2592
02:34:56,800 --> 02:34:59,600
Speaker 1: and then you get sick and it should be on

2593
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:02,600
Speaker 1: your family, Like it was only your family to miss,

2594
02:35:03,720 --> 02:35:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, Christmas When you was performing in France, there

2595
02:35:06,720 --> 02:35:09,520
Speaker 1: was only your family to miss Thanksgiving when you're performing

2596
02:35:09,560 --> 02:35:13,800
Speaker 1: in Russia, Like why should your family beer? Why? What

2597
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:16,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't we have a union. It would be nice, but

2598
02:35:16,680 --> 02:35:18,720
Speaker 1: until that, no one trusts, no one. I just have

2599
02:35:18,879 --> 02:35:22,080
Speaker 1: to operate as you know, I operate as if no

2600
02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:25,280
Speaker 1: one owes me anything, and I got to handle my shit.

2601
02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm responsible for my own relevance and my own finances

2602
02:35:28,840 --> 02:35:31,080
Speaker 1: and and how I take care of my own medical

2603
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:35,000
Speaker 1: and if there's something comes where there's a fund for

2604
02:35:35,400 --> 02:35:39,800
Speaker 1: people like myself who are pioneers, like if I'm well

2605
02:35:39,879 --> 02:35:42,680
Speaker 1: off at the moment, I probably wouldn't accept it because

2606
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:47,560
Speaker 1: there's probably yeah, but no, No. The thing about it is,

2607
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:52,000
Speaker 1: especially you know, um with how we're kind of owning

2608
02:35:52,160 --> 02:35:56,840
Speaker 1: our own stuff now like we're actually in the era,

2609
02:35:57,120 --> 02:35:59,640
Speaker 1: and especially with a podcast, you know, yeah, I would love,

2610
02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, you know, to stop talking about it. And

2611
02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:05,320
Speaker 1: I would love to like, you know, Joe Budden, well,

2612
02:36:05,400 --> 02:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Chuck D. You know, Chuck D. He's created something I

2613
02:36:08,200 --> 02:36:11,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, let's dare do it. Joe Buden, mallon

2614
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:15,040
Speaker 1: dollars worth of a game, Gillian Willow, you know, Nori

2615
02:36:15,280 --> 02:36:20,040
Speaker 1: and efn uh I think we should put up a

2616
02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:23,120
Speaker 1: couple of dollars and just put it in a pot

2617
02:36:23,200 --> 02:36:26,400
Speaker 1: with it's it's see through, put it in Killer Mike's bank.

2618
02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:31,920
Speaker 1: I trust Killer Mike, and I trust this bank, and

2619
02:36:32,040 --> 02:36:36,360
Speaker 1: just lead that ship there until. Not to say that

2620
02:36:36,480 --> 02:36:40,640
Speaker 1: we want something catastrophic to happen, but if something happens,

2621
02:36:40,680 --> 02:36:44,080
Speaker 1: if if, if a little something if. But that's not

2622
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:46,520
Speaker 1: the way it works, man, No, we gotta make it up. No,

2623
02:36:48,040 --> 02:36:50,640
Speaker 1: it's not the way it works, Chuck D. I think

2624
02:36:50,680 --> 02:36:53,560
Speaker 1: it's kariss ones involved. They got the government involved. You

2625
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:57,160
Speaker 1: need bigger funds to really make a difference. You can't.

2626
02:36:57,200 --> 02:36:59,200
Speaker 1: We can't take a couple of podcasts and put a

2627
02:36:59,240 --> 02:37:02,040
Speaker 1: couple of dollars in Well, we fucking need the dollars ourselves.

2628
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:04,480
Speaker 1: But we can still empower each other. That's it. That's

2629
02:37:04,520 --> 02:37:07,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's like empowering some some people who

2630
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:09,960
Speaker 1: are representing the United States on the highest level ever.

2631
02:37:10,920 --> 02:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Get them six hundred gs or if you could raise

2632
02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:17,200
Speaker 1: funds that's what they have. But here's the thing, right,

2633
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:23,560
Speaker 1: a lot of us don't know, don't understand how do

2634
02:37:23,720 --> 02:37:26,360
Speaker 1: we do that? Right? Okay? Cool, you said, Chuck D.

2635
02:37:26,520 --> 02:37:29,800
Speaker 1: Has an idea. So they did it. They did okay,

2636
02:37:30,200 --> 02:37:32,400
Speaker 1: alright investing, and I feel like we should do something right,

2637
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:34,640
Speaker 1: and this is something that I just learned. Right. I

2638
02:37:34,680 --> 02:37:37,400
Speaker 1: went to Opus one right, and Opus one I thought

2639
02:37:37,440 --> 02:37:40,879
Speaker 1: I knew, which is a great wine. It's a great wine. Right.

2640
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:43,199
Speaker 1: So I went to the factory right, and I really

2641
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:46,640
Speaker 1: thought I knew everything about wine. Right, And he gave

2642
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:49,280
Speaker 1: me the two thousand and eighteen. He gave me the

2643
02:37:49,320 --> 02:37:52,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, gave me the two thou and

2644
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:55,360
Speaker 1: then no, I did not, but you're you're correct. I

2645
02:37:55,440 --> 02:37:58,000
Speaker 1: heard the ninety six. It is fantastic. He didn't have right,

2646
02:37:58,200 --> 02:38:01,320
Speaker 1: but I went through it all and I loved him all.

2647
02:38:02,280 --> 02:38:08,160
Speaker 1: And then he brung me what was later considered the throwaway.

2648
02:38:09,360 --> 02:38:13,480
Speaker 1: All drink it and we all said this is our favorite, right,

2649
02:38:14,560 --> 02:38:17,760
Speaker 1: and he said, you know why, it's because that's exactly

2650
02:38:17,840 --> 02:38:19,840
Speaker 1: what it is. It's what you want it to be.

2651
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes we can sit around and just sit around and say,

2652
02:38:23,240 --> 02:38:25,240
Speaker 1: let's wait for it to be perfect, and let's wait

2653
02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:27,800
Speaker 1: for al Shopton to come over there and do some

2654
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:30,240
Speaker 1: jump ropes with us, and then you know, do it.

2655
02:38:30,400 --> 02:38:32,120
Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's just like, let's just do the

2656
02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:34,960
Speaker 1: right thing do. The right thing is let's just just

2657
02:38:35,160 --> 02:38:38,200
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, and if anything happens, because that's really take

2658
02:38:38,200 --> 02:38:39,600
Speaker 1: it as far as you can take. That's really what

2659
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:42,520
Speaker 1: insurance is. It's just in case shit happened, right, So

2660
02:38:42,760 --> 02:38:45,840
Speaker 1: just so let's just throw whatever whatever. Maybe we're not

2661
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:47,600
Speaker 1: gonna do it the right way. Maybe we're not, But

2662
02:38:47,800 --> 02:38:52,200
Speaker 1: the fact is I will feel fucking awesome knowing that

2663
02:38:52,520 --> 02:38:55,640
Speaker 1: a hip hop legend caught a stroke, and for us

2664
02:38:55,840 --> 02:38:59,760
Speaker 1: as podcasters, we stepped up and said his family bills

2665
02:39:00,200 --> 02:39:05,200
Speaker 1: taking care of that ship. I wouldn't yesterday. I couldn't

2666
02:39:05,240 --> 02:39:07,840
Speaker 1: sleep at night. That wouldn't make me sleep at night

2667
02:39:07,920 --> 02:39:10,320
Speaker 1: like that. But let me let me tell you this.

2668
02:39:10,480 --> 02:39:12,959
Speaker 1: This is you helping yourself. Let me rebuttal you this. However,

2669
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:14,840
Speaker 1: me help myself. I don't plan. Let me let me

2670
02:39:14,920 --> 02:39:16,960
Speaker 1: let me give you a rebuttal Okay. If Chuck D,

2671
02:39:17,240 --> 02:39:20,120
Speaker 1: who I trust, has always had the best interest of

2672
02:39:20,200 --> 02:39:23,440
Speaker 1: hip hop in his heart, if he's leading, he ain't

2673
02:39:23,440 --> 02:39:25,680
Speaker 1: come to drink jams. No, but Chuck D ain't reach

2674
02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:34,200
Speaker 1: out back. You know something wrong. He should have been here.

2675
02:39:34,320 --> 02:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Chuck ddun did wipe me crazy since we reached out,

2676
02:39:39,040 --> 02:39:41,320
Speaker 1: he said, he does not do interviews, and all of

2677
02:39:41,360 --> 02:39:44,039
Speaker 1: a sudden he's been doing every other and okay, that's

2678
02:39:44,040 --> 02:39:47,600
Speaker 1: your so let me let me feed us. Okay. So

2679
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:51,240
Speaker 1: if he's doing something him and there's a coalition of

2680
02:39:51,320 --> 02:39:54,520
Speaker 1: people involved and they they're doing it the right way,

2681
02:39:54,879 --> 02:39:57,600
Speaker 1: my thing is, let's contribute to what they're doing. Because

2682
02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:02,000
Speaker 1: if why they contribute. He's been saying this for seven years,

2683
02:40:02,120 --> 02:40:06,200
Speaker 1: hold up the splintering of it everything. People to do this,

2684
02:40:06,360 --> 02:40:08,760
Speaker 1: and graph writers do this. Okay, you know what you

2685
02:40:08,959 --> 02:40:11,760
Speaker 1: do that, Chuck D. Podcasters do this. Fuck it. We're

2686
02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:13,680
Speaker 1: all gonna do it different because it's gonna make me

2687
02:40:13,800 --> 02:40:17,280
Speaker 1: feel better. No, bro, contribute to the movement that it's

2688
02:40:17,320 --> 02:40:19,480
Speaker 1: gonna do it right the organizations. Because we've been speaking

2689
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:21,840
Speaker 1: this for seven years, and I've been watching and I've

2690
02:40:21,879 --> 02:40:24,879
Speaker 1: been watching the fans for seven years. Tag this man

2691
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:28,440
Speaker 1: on Twitter, follow him on Twitter, Chuck D and every

2692
02:40:28,520 --> 02:40:30,840
Speaker 1: one of these other people, And guess what, none of

2693
02:40:30,879 --> 02:40:32,680
Speaker 1: them have ever hit me on DM. None of them

2694
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:35,280
Speaker 1: have ever pursued that. So I'm tired of waiting for

2695
02:40:35,480 --> 02:40:39,760
Speaker 1: our forefathers, our near fathers, with their both fathers. Why

2696
02:40:39,800 --> 02:40:42,040
Speaker 1: did they reach out? You mean to tell me you

2697
02:40:42,120 --> 02:40:44,080
Speaker 1: mean to tell me, hold on, let's be clear out

2698
02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:45,760
Speaker 1: to us to do it. Let's be clear. No, no,

2699
02:40:46,040 --> 02:40:47,320
Speaker 1: why did they reach out for us to be a

2700
02:40:47,400 --> 02:40:49,320
Speaker 1: part of it? You mean to tell me every time

2701
02:40:49,400 --> 02:40:51,720
Speaker 1: they say something or every time something like that with

2702
02:40:51,879 --> 02:40:55,000
Speaker 1: a hip hop union is it's brung up. I love

2703
02:40:55,080 --> 02:40:57,080
Speaker 1: our fans on Twitter because you know what they say,

2704
02:40:57,320 --> 02:40:59,640
Speaker 1: don't You've never been saying this for seven new years,

2705
02:41:00,440 --> 02:41:04,879
Speaker 1: for seven years, for seven years, and I'm not willing

2706
02:41:04,920 --> 02:41:06,879
Speaker 1: to talk about it no more. I'm willing to put

2707
02:41:07,120 --> 02:41:09,560
Speaker 1: the same way I'm willing to invest into Drunken Dragon

2708
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:11,920
Speaker 1: a Hollander, which I'm doing the same way. I'm willing

2709
02:41:11,959 --> 02:41:15,560
Speaker 1: to invest in fox Hole, which I'm doing the same way.

2710
02:41:15,560 --> 02:41:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm willing to put up a couple of such and such,

2711
02:41:18,160 --> 02:41:20,920
Speaker 1: just a hav An account just in case if Maxwell

2712
02:41:21,200 --> 02:41:26,720
Speaker 1: fall and break his ankle. Let's help about maybe something. Well,

2713
02:41:26,840 --> 02:41:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm sucking around. Here's the thing, here's the thing himself.

2714
02:41:30,400 --> 02:41:34,160
Speaker 1: For me as a dancer, there are times when I've

2715
02:41:34,200 --> 02:41:37,000
Speaker 1: had insurance and I didn't have insurance right, so whatever

2716
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:39,520
Speaker 1: I had in the bank went towards my surgery. Right.

2717
02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:43,880
Speaker 1: So with an hour name. As dancers, we get fucked

2718
02:41:43,959 --> 02:41:47,600
Speaker 1: up the most, Yes, and we're all taking care of ourselves.

2719
02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:51,440
Speaker 1: Like I've come out of pocket so much money for

2720
02:41:51,560 --> 02:41:53,360
Speaker 1: the ship that I do just for the love of

2721
02:41:53,440 --> 02:41:55,880
Speaker 1: hip hop. Right, So there's a lot of people out

2722
02:41:55,920 --> 02:41:59,880
Speaker 1: there who are representing and I think that's probably like

2723
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:02,600
Speaker 1: the most injuries you know for dance, you know in

2724
02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:08,200
Speaker 1: hip hop, but funerals, God bless us, the hip hop

2725
02:42:08,280 --> 02:42:11,120
Speaker 1: funerals that you go start to see and you'd be like, damn,

2726
02:42:11,560 --> 02:42:13,480
Speaker 1: the shit is not taken care of. That shit is

2727
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:18,720
Speaker 1: like like, that's I mean, and I don't I had

2728
02:42:18,760 --> 02:42:20,320
Speaker 1: a rebuttal with you. I don't want you to say

2729
02:42:20,360 --> 02:42:24,600
Speaker 1: that I'm disagreement and I'm disagreeing d what he's doing.

2730
02:42:24,959 --> 02:42:27,640
Speaker 1: The problem is we're so available, we're so out there,

2731
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:31,400
Speaker 1: and our platform actually exists. Our platform actually exists where

2732
02:42:31,480 --> 02:42:35,120
Speaker 1: weekly guess what. Your platform is a force and you

2733
02:42:35,160 --> 02:42:37,560
Speaker 1: guess what. Guess what, Chuck and whoever who else is

2734
02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:40,600
Speaker 1: doing it. Maybe and Chick is a fan of the platform.

2735
02:42:40,680 --> 02:42:42,760
Speaker 1: Maybe he said he's willing to maybe care us, but

2736
02:42:42,840 --> 02:42:44,880
Speaker 1: maybe y'all, Maybe y'all didn't want to come here, but

2737
02:42:44,959 --> 02:42:48,320
Speaker 1: at least let's promote y'all platform on this platform because

2738
02:42:48,320 --> 02:42:50,840
Speaker 1: this is what it's made for. It's made for us,

2739
02:42:51,160 --> 02:42:53,480
Speaker 1: because I guess, I guess what. Go ahead and try

2740
02:42:53,520 --> 02:42:55,039
Speaker 1: to go to Hot ninety seven. Now they got ninety

2741
02:42:55,040 --> 02:42:58,240
Speaker 1: four seven. It beat let's pick up? Uh, Psyche sounds

2742
02:43:01,040 --> 02:43:03,240
Speaker 1: like the founds, Miss Jones. I think mister c is

2743
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:06,800
Speaker 1: over there and there. Actually this is another station besides

2744
02:43:06,920 --> 02:43:08,800
Speaker 1: Rock the Bells. And I love Rock the Bells, but

2745
02:43:09,000 --> 02:43:11,480
Speaker 1: Rock the Bells cannot say that they did not base

2746
02:43:12,120 --> 02:43:15,240
Speaker 1: what we were doing awful and we were giving all

2747
02:43:15,400 --> 02:43:21,480
Speaker 1: legends their flowers. I think we're still are giving. Really,

2748
02:43:21,879 --> 02:43:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm actually an equity owner of Rock the Bells. No,

2749
02:43:29,480 --> 02:43:33,720
Speaker 1: they did it, reached out to several of us, and

2750
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:36,960
Speaker 1: they did give us equity in the company. Beautiful. Uh

2751
02:43:37,240 --> 02:43:42,280
Speaker 1: so I gotta salute the beautiful doing great things. Yeah, yeah,

2752
02:43:42,360 --> 02:43:44,600
Speaker 1: I got nothing. I would never have anything bad to

2753
02:43:44,640 --> 02:43:47,720
Speaker 1: say about. Okay, care, rest One and Cares have launched

2754
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:51,160
Speaker 1: the union. All right, cool, I'm mad. Why are you mad?

2755
02:43:51,200 --> 02:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Because they should hill at y'all because no, no, I'm saying,

2756
02:43:56,200 --> 02:43:58,920
Speaker 1: I understand, but you can't get playing. But I'm not playing.

2757
02:43:59,000 --> 02:44:02,160
Speaker 1: The thing about it is, we can't be outdated like

2758
02:44:02,280 --> 02:44:05,280
Speaker 1: we can't be sitting around and do something that was

2759
02:44:05,400 --> 02:44:09,720
Speaker 1: brought up publicly on this show for seven strong years.

2760
02:44:09,760 --> 02:44:12,959
Speaker 1: But we live in an era where nobody even sees everything. Yes,

2761
02:44:13,280 --> 02:44:15,800
Speaker 1: but there's someone in his camp, just like George Clinton

2762
02:44:15,879 --> 02:44:18,000
Speaker 1: just came here, just Clinton, ain't I could tell he

2763
02:44:18,120 --> 02:44:20,640
Speaker 1: never saw an episode of Drink Champs his fucking lights,

2764
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:24,520
Speaker 1: and I loved him anyway. But his grandchildren said, this

2765
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:26,480
Speaker 1: is the place where you posted be true. So you

2766
02:44:26,600 --> 02:44:29,480
Speaker 1: mean to tell me that once they set up that campaign,

2767
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:31,560
Speaker 1: they ain't No, it wasn't no one who said Drink

2768
02:44:31,600 --> 02:44:34,200
Speaker 1: Chace were saying this ship for seven years. They've been trying,

2769
02:44:34,280 --> 02:44:37,119
Speaker 1: They've been waiting. But but but maybe they've been saying

2770
02:44:37,160 --> 02:44:40,600
Speaker 1: it for seventeen years. Wen't hear it. I ain't hearing that.

2771
02:44:41,080 --> 02:44:43,160
Speaker 1: It's every one of the albums. I'm just saying I

2772
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:45,840
Speaker 1: got everyone albums. We don't got everyone of them. I

2773
02:44:45,879 --> 02:44:48,240
Speaker 1: ain't hear we don't know, we don't know. You gotta

2774
02:44:48,240 --> 02:44:54,400
Speaker 1: give the benefit. I don't know why he said the

2775
02:44:56,959 --> 02:44:59,720
Speaker 1: black but I want me but simple support that. I'm

2776
02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:02,320
Speaker 1: not saying I don't support it. I'm saying I have

2777
02:45:02,440 --> 02:45:04,280
Speaker 1: no control over that. I have nothing, I have no

2778
02:45:04,360 --> 02:45:07,640
Speaker 1: information of that. Cool. You know our engineer just sent

2779
02:45:07,760 --> 02:45:10,600
Speaker 1: that to us. Um, this should be front page news.

2780
02:45:13,360 --> 02:45:16,440
Speaker 1: It's it's probably the problem is it's not from page news.

2781
02:45:16,680 --> 02:45:19,520
Speaker 1: Guess what ours? But guess what it's the media. Guess what, sir,

2782
02:45:19,680 --> 02:45:22,800
Speaker 1: case I don't know that every time we drop we're

2783
02:45:22,840 --> 02:45:28,800
Speaker 1: fromt page news. Yes, we're from page well cardist. If

2784
02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:31,560
Speaker 1: we want it, and sometimes we don't even want it,

2785
02:45:31,640 --> 02:45:34,440
Speaker 1: we're doing it. Definitely. It's a lot of times like

2786
02:45:34,520 --> 02:45:37,879
Speaker 1: that you say it can do and I'm standing y'all

2787
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:42,040
Speaker 1: it there's a lot of times we don't want front

2788
02:45:42,040 --> 02:45:44,440
Speaker 1: spay news. But this is something and that's what we

2789
02:45:44,600 --> 02:45:46,800
Speaker 1: care about the community. We care about hit But this, this,

2790
02:45:46,920 --> 02:45:49,120
Speaker 1: this is, this is what we have to do. It

2791
02:45:49,280 --> 02:45:51,680
Speaker 1: can't like like you said, it can't be a care

2792
02:45:51,800 --> 02:45:56,840
Speaker 1: arrest one Chuck d thing, uh and a crazy leg

2793
02:45:56,879 --> 02:45:59,600
Speaker 1: stay rock steady thing and then a drink Champs thing.

2794
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:01,760
Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool, maybe it's not a drink Champ thing.

2795
02:46:01,840 --> 02:46:04,400
Speaker 1: We all need to we say podcasting, we'll handle it

2796
02:46:04,480 --> 02:46:07,440
Speaker 1: all part because we couldn't handle it because absolutely, if

2797
02:46:07,480 --> 02:46:09,720
Speaker 1: we could have, we would have did it seven years ago.

2798
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:12,600
Speaker 1: So let's just do to the people we know that

2799
02:46:13,240 --> 02:46:17,039
Speaker 1: uh uh, Joe Button is happy from it's from doing

2800
02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:19,280
Speaker 1: what he's doing. We know that a million dollars worth

2801
02:46:19,360 --> 02:46:21,400
Speaker 1: a game. These are people that we can come and

2802
02:46:21,520 --> 02:46:24,240
Speaker 1: talk to and say, listen, let's just maybe it's a

2803
02:46:24,360 --> 02:46:28,160
Speaker 1: podcast fund. Maybe Chuck d in them is the Jerry

2804
02:46:28,200 --> 02:46:32,240
Speaker 1: Lewis telling it's the rap and then and then. But

2805
02:46:32,320 --> 02:46:34,760
Speaker 1: the thing is sitting around and doing nothing and sitting around,

2806
02:46:34,879 --> 02:46:37,240
Speaker 1: just sitting around and sitting around and sitting around. It

2807
02:46:37,400 --> 02:46:39,360
Speaker 1: makes us seem like we're just talking. But I don't

2808
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:41,119
Speaker 1: want to talk to the people doing sometimes I don't

2809
02:46:41,120 --> 02:46:43,080
Speaker 1: want to see if we can fit in. If we can't,

2810
02:46:43,080 --> 02:46:45,000
Speaker 1: then we don't. At the end of the day, we

2811
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:48,560
Speaker 1: don't feel starts out the needs. You raise the funds

2812
02:46:48,640 --> 02:46:51,560
Speaker 1: and you put that into and I agree with you.

2813
02:46:51,640 --> 02:46:54,400
Speaker 1: Said you said raise the funds. That's also that's also

2814
02:46:54,480 --> 02:46:57,800
Speaker 1: what we're doing. And not only that. We want to

2815
02:46:57,879 --> 02:47:01,040
Speaker 1: give back said it should be something like that, But

2816
02:47:01,160 --> 02:47:05,000
Speaker 1: we give back so much beautiful things that we obtain.

2817
02:47:05,680 --> 02:47:08,480
Speaker 1: And it's not the yst about financials and riches. It's

2818
02:47:08,480 --> 02:47:12,200
Speaker 1: about okay, man, yeah, look at that ship. Look at

2819
02:47:12,240 --> 02:47:15,280
Speaker 1: the look that's George Clinton artwork. He did that right.

2820
02:47:16,360 --> 02:47:20,920
Speaker 1: He came George. That's all. I got a George Clinton story.

2821
02:47:20,959 --> 02:47:24,120
Speaker 1: But I can't say this. What's the other artist's name?

2822
02:47:24,120 --> 02:47:28,520
Speaker 1: I want to give him Jonas? Yeah, with George Clinton,

2823
02:47:28,520 --> 02:47:30,560
Speaker 1: they both did. Let's give us that George Clinton story.

2824
02:47:30,680 --> 02:47:35,760
Speaker 1: Let's go. It's acid involved that I'm thinking about. It

2825
02:47:35,959 --> 02:47:40,240
Speaker 1: was he opened about shit like that. Yeah, that's open.

2826
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:45,880
Speaker 1: So it was like a zoo anniversary and I'm over here, like,

2827
02:47:46,120 --> 02:47:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, you know, nothing but the dog

2828
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:51,440
Speaker 1: and me is in the back, you know what I'm like.

2829
02:47:51,959 --> 02:47:54,280
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, like I'm taking him

2830
02:47:54,320 --> 02:47:56,480
Speaker 1: to uh, I had to drop off at his hotel

2831
02:47:56,520 --> 02:48:00,280
Speaker 1: as a favor, and he just started like you up

2832
02:48:00,280 --> 02:48:05,320
Speaker 1: a little packet in the bag. And I hear, Yo,

2833
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:08,600
Speaker 1: this motherfucker's wild in my car right now. Ain't nothing

2834
02:48:08,680 --> 02:48:12,840
Speaker 1: but the dog. Yeah, yeah, you were like, I could

2835
02:48:12,840 --> 02:48:16,440
Speaker 1: have sold it to him, all stuck him up. I

2836
02:48:16,520 --> 02:48:20,880
Speaker 1: never sold that though, balls. No, I bought something to

2837
02:48:21,080 --> 02:48:31,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah to my memory is good? You that like hustle.

2838
02:48:33,480 --> 02:48:37,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't a dealer, my boy. Oh my god, yo, man,

2839
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:40,760
Speaker 1: razy legs man, let me just tell you something. Your

2840
02:48:40,920 --> 02:48:44,880
Speaker 1: legend of a leg abolutely um we we we We

2841
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:48,720
Speaker 1: clearly made this show for people like you, Um, hip

2842
02:48:48,800 --> 02:48:51,160
Speaker 1: hop fifty. I know you kind of said you didn't

2843
02:48:51,200 --> 02:48:53,280
Speaker 1: agree with hip hop being fifty. You said forty seven,

2844
02:48:53,320 --> 02:48:55,240
Speaker 1: but I'll stand with it. You're standing with it, will

2845
02:48:55,280 --> 02:48:57,119
Speaker 1: stand with it, stand with it. And in your opinion,

2846
02:48:57,160 --> 02:49:00,280
Speaker 1: you said forty seven, forty eight, forty eight, forty which

2847
02:49:00,280 --> 02:49:02,160
Speaker 1: is two years off and that's you know, we're pretty

2848
02:49:02,240 --> 02:49:08,720
Speaker 1: much all Druggs. Yeah, so it's like, goody two years.

2849
02:49:08,760 --> 02:49:11,120
Speaker 1: You might have crap because the aid you never know,

2850
02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:14,960
Speaker 1: but that was because two year years for the ecstasy.

2851
02:49:15,080 --> 02:49:18,520
Speaker 1: It's like it's gone. But we want you to know

2852
02:49:18,640 --> 02:49:23,480
Speaker 1: your legend hip hop owes you uh, and not just

2853
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:27,959
Speaker 1: be boying you know, because um, you know it's crazy,

2854
02:49:28,080 --> 02:49:31,320
Speaker 1: like you look at these records. Now, these records have

2855
02:49:31,440 --> 02:49:34,520
Speaker 1: a dance to go with the record. Yeah, yes, dance

2856
02:49:34,680 --> 02:49:37,680
Speaker 1: is still there. But for me, I've always felt like

2857
02:49:37,879 --> 02:49:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm hip hoppy for I'm a B boy because when

2858
02:49:41,320 --> 02:49:44,160
Speaker 1: I got into the game, I saw I witness everything

2859
02:49:44,280 --> 02:49:48,080
Speaker 1: happening without any kind of label over it. It was

2860
02:49:48,160 --> 02:49:50,600
Speaker 1: just what was happening, like a girl doing double ditch.

2861
02:49:50,760 --> 02:49:52,960
Speaker 1: You lived it, you know, it was you were it yeah.

2862
02:49:53,040 --> 02:49:55,560
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm always hip, hoppy form a B

2863
02:49:56,000 --> 02:50:01,760
Speaker 1: B boy, But we want to show you love. There's

2864
02:50:01,800 --> 02:50:06,840
Speaker 1: anything you regret before you got out there? Um not

2865
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:11,480
Speaker 1: finishing school old shit, definitely da I was on that path.

2866
02:50:11,640 --> 02:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I ended up in Hunter College, and I used to

2867
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:19,040
Speaker 1: know the Hunter College is on sixties seventh Street. And

2868
02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:22,360
Speaker 1: you never went to the Bronx Yeah, no, I'm talking

2869
02:50:22,360 --> 02:50:25,120
Speaker 1: about college. No, well, I did go to Bronx Community

2870
02:50:25,120 --> 02:50:27,520
Speaker 1: for a minute. Then I switched to Hunter College and

2871
02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:32,560
Speaker 1: then um me and this dude, um am I forget

2872
02:50:32,680 --> 02:50:35,520
Speaker 1: his name, God not to rock the other one that

2873
02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:38,880
Speaker 1: hates him, Ben Diesel. We used to go to Hunter

2874
02:50:38,959 --> 02:50:42,120
Speaker 1: College together. We used to hang out. Yeah, we used

2875
02:50:42,120 --> 02:50:45,960
Speaker 1: to you have been dies went to school together. Yeah college.

2876
02:50:45,959 --> 02:50:49,800
Speaker 1: Did you almost forget you went to fucking college with Diesel?

2877
02:50:49,879 --> 02:50:52,920
Speaker 1: Did you almost forget that? Yeah? Your life is dope.

2878
02:50:52,959 --> 02:50:57,400
Speaker 1: Make some noise for that. But he used to be

2879
02:50:57,440 --> 02:51:00,240
Speaker 1: a B boy. He was a B boy first. Yeah,

2880
02:51:00,240 --> 02:51:02,840
Speaker 1: he told be boy first what he needed to come

2881
02:51:02,840 --> 02:51:04,680
Speaker 1: to dreams? What has he been or these at the

2882
02:51:04,760 --> 02:51:12,840
Speaker 1: time he was Ben. Yeah, he was just oh, come on, bro,

2883
02:51:13,040 --> 02:51:15,120
Speaker 1: let's lead. So we used to hang out in in

2884
02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:18,360
Speaker 1: a cafeteria Hunter College and try to pick up on

2885
02:51:18,400 --> 02:51:21,920
Speaker 1: a girl's playing space from New York. Yeah, oh I

2886
02:51:22,040 --> 02:51:31,720
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but yeah, I mean, you know, hopefully

2887
02:51:32,280 --> 02:51:35,440
Speaker 1: all this stuff in detail. We all working on a

2888
02:51:36,440 --> 02:51:39,480
Speaker 1: couple of films right now, me and Fat Joe and

2889
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Speaker 1: E Frivera working on a Latino contribution in hip hop documentary. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know more more you guys can get dream Champs

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Speaker 1: involved in. Yeah, of course. I mean we want to

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Speaker 1: definitely do it as something that's educational. We don't want

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02:51:53,800 --> 02:51:57,360
Speaker 1: to cause more divide, just provide data. Yeah, we want

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02:51:57,360 --> 02:52:01,000
Speaker 1: to provide data for people and say yo boom. If

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02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:05,959
Speaker 1: you're not sure this is where and when and now,

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02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:07,680
Speaker 1: if you want to be an asshole, that's up to you,

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02:52:08,520 --> 02:52:11,280
Speaker 1: you know. And so there's that, and then we're doing

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Speaker 1: the rock Steady documentary right now, which is all going

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02:52:16,280 --> 02:52:21,160
Speaker 1: to be from my perspective, and then there's a few

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02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:24,960
Speaker 1: other things on the table. We'll see what happens as

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02:52:24,959 --> 02:52:28,600
Speaker 1: synonymous with Zulu is it no one, No, not at all.

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02:52:28,680 --> 02:52:32,320
Speaker 1: We're all own thing, okay, yeah yeah, so yeah, so

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of good shit, you know. For me,

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02:52:34,360 --> 02:52:38,160
Speaker 1: it's about my festival in Puerto Rico working on these

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02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:41,800
Speaker 1: films and then um a lot of relief work, but

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02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:44,640
Speaker 1: expanding beyond Puerto Rico because with all the shit that

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02:52:44,840 --> 02:52:47,520
Speaker 1: that just happened in Turkey, I felt like, wow, I

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02:52:47,680 --> 02:52:51,320
Speaker 1: know how to bring people, you know, the opportunity to

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02:52:51,400 --> 02:52:55,680
Speaker 1: have clean water. I know what that takes. But you know,

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02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:58,200
Speaker 1: then you need to start needing more financial resources to

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02:52:58,280 --> 02:53:00,640
Speaker 1: make that happen. You've seen the dude and I've mentioned

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02:53:00,840 --> 02:53:02,520
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry I don't know the guy's name right now,

2913
02:53:02,560 --> 02:53:05,080
Speaker 1: and I mentioned him before. He has the machine that

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02:53:05,360 --> 02:53:09,800
Speaker 1: extracts air yeah into clear water from the United States.

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02:53:10,200 --> 02:53:13,840
Speaker 1: Like that, dude is incredible. We did I mean we man,

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02:53:13,959 --> 02:53:18,160
Speaker 1: we did ship and he's donating his machines to Tesla

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02:53:18,320 --> 02:53:22,280
Speaker 1: Costa was donating a bunch of shit too, Eli, Yeah,

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02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:28,680
Speaker 1: he donated you know. Yeah, so they during Hurricane Maria days,

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02:53:30,160 --> 02:53:33,040
Speaker 1: there's just one community that we went to where their

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02:53:33,280 --> 02:53:35,959
Speaker 1: their source of water was like two three hundred feet

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02:53:36,000 --> 02:53:39,640
Speaker 1: down and there was this really old nineteen seventy three

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02:53:40,680 --> 02:53:44,119
Speaker 1: a diesel generator that the US government dropped off during

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02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:48,480
Speaker 1: the hurricane like here, figure it out. And Tesla donated

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02:53:48,520 --> 02:53:51,119
Speaker 1: these batteries that would generate the water three hundred feet

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02:53:51,200 --> 02:53:55,280
Speaker 1: up to a community of eight hundred families. Yeah, yeah,

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02:53:55,400 --> 02:54:00,440
Speaker 1: wow we helped. Yeah, well, Eli doing his thing or

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02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:03,800
Speaker 1: is all right? Yeah, all right with the y'aller he

2928
02:54:03,879 --> 02:54:07,920
Speaker 1: let me go crazy on Twitter, wild boy, I'm just

2929
02:54:08,080 --> 02:54:11,959
Speaker 1: playing man, yo, crazy legs. Man, I'm gonna be honest. Man,

2930
02:54:12,200 --> 02:54:14,880
Speaker 1: you rock steady. You know, all the things that you

2931
02:54:14,959 --> 02:54:18,720
Speaker 1: contributed to hip hop will be remorse to not you know,

2932
02:54:18,959 --> 02:54:22,360
Speaker 1: always throw flowers that you can, always you know, respect

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02:54:22,440 --> 02:54:25,280
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I'd like, you know, I enjoy this

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02:54:25,480 --> 02:54:27,920
Speaker 1: when I when I get the pioneers, when I get

2935
02:54:27,959 --> 02:54:30,360
Speaker 1: the legends, when I get the icons, and I just

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02:54:30,480 --> 02:54:32,640
Speaker 1: explore their history. Like I said, for a month, I've

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02:54:32,680 --> 02:54:34,800
Speaker 1: just been walking around like you, like I don't know.

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02:54:34,959 --> 02:54:36,800
Speaker 1: That's why my big boy, you see, my big boy

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02:54:36,840 --> 02:54:43,040
Speaker 1: he fell because we were thinking about you know what

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02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Like man, be boying me learning be boying

2941
02:54:47,800 --> 02:54:50,760
Speaker 1: and break dancing. It's two different things. Be learning that

2942
02:54:50,879 --> 02:54:55,560
Speaker 1: break dancing is actually frowned upon word. And yes it's

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02:54:55,560 --> 02:54:58,560
Speaker 1: frowned upon. But now you know, but it's crazy me

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02:54:58,600 --> 02:55:01,920
Speaker 1: even learning that. But breaking it is not right? Are

2945
02:55:01,959 --> 02:55:04,119
Speaker 1: you saying breakdance? It's kind of like when you say

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02:55:04,160 --> 02:55:06,600
Speaker 1: south Side, you just say south Side. You don't say, yeah,

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02:55:06,640 --> 02:55:12,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna go saus dancing. So um man, we just

2948
02:55:12,200 --> 02:55:15,080
Speaker 1: want to tell you man, our show was based on,

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02:55:15,320 --> 02:55:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, giving legends. And you know, people that's been

2950
02:55:18,360 --> 02:55:21,359
Speaker 1: in this game for more than ten years, they flowers

2951
02:55:21,400 --> 02:55:26,120
Speaker 1: because you know, they's just face it. Hip hop is

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02:55:26,200 --> 02:55:30,960
Speaker 1: the only age is M music yea, there is yeah

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02:55:31,240 --> 02:55:34,040
Speaker 1: Pink Floyd and you know all these other people can

2954
02:55:34,120 --> 02:55:36,520
Speaker 1: go you know as why I said Gene Simmons earlier

2955
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:38,440
Speaker 1: to do with the tongue, right, you know what I mean?

2956
02:55:38,560 --> 02:55:40,760
Speaker 1: Like people don't even know he's old because he hadn't

2957
02:55:40,800 --> 02:55:43,320
Speaker 1: make up his old face, so goddamn time and he

2958
02:55:43,400 --> 02:55:45,880
Speaker 1: can go and go all and he can do this

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02:55:46,320 --> 02:55:49,640
Speaker 1: and no one says he's washed up. But they don't

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02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:52,119
Speaker 1: have elements either. And that's the difference between hip hop

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, well we gotta they're just music and drugs.

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02:55:55,520 --> 02:55:58,040
Speaker 1: We got everything. We gotta. We gotta figure the fuck

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Speaker 1: out because the last time I checked, you know, if

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02:56:01,320 --> 02:56:04,480
Speaker 1: you take a good meal and you season it correctly

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02:56:04,879 --> 02:56:07,879
Speaker 1: and you put it in there the fridge, you get

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02:56:07,959 --> 02:56:09,920
Speaker 1: it out three days later and you take that out

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02:56:10,040 --> 02:56:13,840
Speaker 1: well marinated. Good. But you know what you're thinking about that?

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02:56:14,360 --> 02:56:18,960
Speaker 1: You know what that's called seasoned. Yeah, that's what the

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02:56:19,640 --> 02:56:23,400
Speaker 1: technically hip hop if it's if hip hop is about

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02:56:23,440 --> 02:56:28,560
Speaker 1: fifty years old, it's just realizing its own wisdom. It's

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02:56:28,640 --> 02:56:31,680
Speaker 1: the double seeking in I think. I think if it

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Speaker 1: were a human being at fifty, you know, a lot

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02:56:35,000 --> 02:56:38,600
Speaker 1: of us are coming to terms our own remorse, regrets,

2974
02:56:39,280 --> 02:56:41,160
Speaker 1: all kinds of ship. And at fifty years old, you're

2975
02:56:41,200 --> 02:56:46,520
Speaker 1: still busting nuts. Holla. The individual can come up with

2976
02:56:46,600 --> 02:56:49,760
Speaker 1: those things. But when you've been hijacked by corporations, yeah,

2977
02:56:50,080 --> 02:56:53,280
Speaker 1: it's a whole other mixed beans. Enough of us are

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02:56:53,320 --> 02:56:55,960
Speaker 1: still alive to make shit right, you know, or at

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02:56:56,000 --> 02:56:58,160
Speaker 1: least planted seeds. We may not see it, or at

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02:56:58,200 --> 02:57:00,680
Speaker 1: least I mean, we can't do it for the sake

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02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:04,800
Speaker 1: of seeing it in our lifetime, because that's unrealistic, you know.

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02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:08,440
Speaker 1: So we have to just plant the seeds and hopefully

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02:57:08,440 --> 02:57:10,600
Speaker 1: that ship works into something for somebody else later on.

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02:57:10,920 --> 02:57:13,240
Speaker 1: I think it will. I'm good with that. I think

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02:57:13,240 --> 02:57:17,560
Speaker 1: we're doing it. Ain't about me, ain't about us. I

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Speaker 1: like the back of it works, yo, man, Thank so,

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02:57:22,440 --> 02:57:29,400
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate that there. Thank you for I'm not

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02:57:29,440 --> 02:57:32,560
Speaker 1: gonna stop drinking. I'm gonna keep going and do some

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02:57:32,720 --> 02:57:35,840
Speaker 1: drops and then be good. I'll be over the holy shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah go to the back. Yeah yeah, yeah, go ahead.

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