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Speaker 1: What's up.

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Speaker 2: It's way up with Angela Yee and this is very exciting.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: This week is National Pre Child Probation and Parole Supervision

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Speaker 2: Week PPPs week, and we had with us Commissioner Janita

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Speaker 2: and Holmes, who was appointed to the New York City

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Speaker 2: Department of Probation last year. So thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: And super Fly by the way too, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I love to see it. My cousin works there too. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I know you did, okay, because he's in the.

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Speaker 1: Academy right now.

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Speaker 3: He's actually in field training, which is great, okay, and

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Speaker 3: he's enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason, Ye.

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Speaker 2: They've definite. My whole family called me. They were like, so,

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Speaker 2: we see you have Janita and Commissioner Janita at homes

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Speaker 2: coming up there. Make sure you tell her that's your cousin, Jason.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I give him a tough time.

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Speaker 2: We don't take a break on it.

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Speaker 1: He's doing well, he's doing well.

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Speaker 2: All right. Well, anyway, let's talk about the Department of

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Speaker 2: Probation because I think sometimes people have mixed messages on

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Speaker 2: exactly what it is that this department does. This is

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Speaker 2: for people who are not incarcerated, but they are on

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Speaker 2: probation as an alternative.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and a lot of times it gets confused with parole.

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Speaker 3: It is not parole. Parole is someone that was formerly

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Speaker 3: incarcerated and released early before you.

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Speaker 1: Know the end of their sentence in time.

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Speaker 3: The thing about probation which is great, it's the largest

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Speaker 3: alternative to detention, and it is where individuals are in

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Speaker 3: what we call community corrections, so they actually get to

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Speaker 3: stay in their community with their families, you know, their

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Speaker 3: current employer, things of that nature, and it gives them

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Speaker 3: a second opportunity to get it right. Naturally, we have

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Speaker 3: individuals that are under supervision that guess what, they made

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Speaker 3: a mistake once and they'll never do it again.

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Speaker 1: That's the beauty of it.

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Speaker 3: But there are there is a population where individuals reoffend.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and let's discuss that for a second. Because when

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Speaker 2: it comes to probation, there's also services that you can

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Speaker 2: provide to help people make sure that they're getting jobs,

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Speaker 2: that they're getting the healthcare and things that they need.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, so not just services, but I think what's important

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Speaker 3: is that we get it right. So the minute they

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Speaker 3: takes into account how they were raised, what community come from,

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Speaker 3: your economic status. All of these things were taken into place,

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Speaker 3: and there are assessment tools that we used that part, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just to make the you know, the comparison to what

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Speaker 3: programs and services we would line you up.

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Speaker 2: With, you know, Commissioner Homes. I do want to also

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Speaker 2: point out the fact that you've made history with your

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Speaker 2: positions too, because looking at you, I mean, it's amazing

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Speaker 2: because when you think of like a commissioner for a probation,

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Speaker 2: that's like, it's not what I picture. We think a man,

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes we might even think like a white man.

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Speaker 2: But you are. You made history when you were appointed

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Speaker 2: chief of Patrol, even overseeing sixteen eight hundred uniform members

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Speaker 2: and seventy seven precincts and eight patrol boroughs across the city.

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Speaker 2: You're the highest ranking African American women ever in the NYPD.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a big deal, and I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about how you personally got there because you do

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Speaker 2: come from my family that law enforcement was within the family, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, correct, So I have several sisters that actually work

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Speaker 3: for NYPD, still currently work for NYPD. But you know,

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Speaker 3: my career path from the time I was in the

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Speaker 3: They were like, so, what are you gonna be? I said,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be chief of patrol, you know. So

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Speaker 3: it was always a dream of mine. But a lot

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Speaker 3: of hard work wasn't easy. Weren't a lot of people

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Speaker 1: Definitely weren't a lot of women.

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Speaker 3: You know, that were part of the New York City

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Speaker 1: We've come a long way. Still a small percentage could

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Speaker 3: But the thing is that I was determined, driven, and

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what you would have went through, though,

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Speaker 2: like you said, because back then, during that time, there

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Speaker 1: There weren't. There wasn't.

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Speaker 3: But I can honestly say there was a welcoming forum,

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I show up at a particular job and They're like,

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Speaker 3: But I tell you, you know, with the with the good

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Speaker 3: and just gave me an opportunity to really help the communities,

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Speaker 3: especially a lot of underserved communities. That's where I chose

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm always interested in what makes people choose

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 3: But it's helping people, you know, people left. That's that's

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Speaker 3: what it's supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: And if you do it right, you do it right.

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Speaker 3: And I made it my business to work in Brownsville,

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Speaker 1: I served in that command as well.

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Speaker 3: Because I felt being there, I can give back to

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Speaker 3: the community, but equally balanced. Right when I'm teaching the

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, you know, when something happens and you

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Speaker 2: get probation, that is a blessing and you can't mess

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Speaker 2: So for everybody out there who maybe is on probation

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Speaker 2: recidivism is something that is that is one of your

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Speaker 2: messed up just one time exactly.

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Speaker 3: So it's what I would tell someone on probation is

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Speaker 1: I don't think enough people know whether you're on.

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Speaker 3: Probation or not on probation, there are a lot of

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Speaker 3: we're doing different things in probation. You know, when I

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Speaker 3: sure that these programs have key performance indicators, that they're

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Speaker 3: But more importantly, eighty probably about eighty five percent of

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Speaker 3: they may not be able to read seventh grade level

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Speaker 3: to get a GHD. So it was important for me

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Speaker 3: because it is these jobs people look at o vocational jobs.

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Speaker 1: They pay well.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about it, because I've paid a lot for

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Speaker 1: That's racially.

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Speaker 2: When you own a business, I feel like you need

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Speaker 2: then these are all things that we need on an

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever imagine yourself in this position? Now? I

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Speaker 2: know you've said that. You used to say back when

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Speaker 2: now you're the commissioner for the New York City Department

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Speaker 2: of Probation. Is this something that you aspire towards.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I think when you're in the police department,

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Speaker 3: So I never really even thought about probation, which is ironic.

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Speaker 3: But the deputy mayor of a public safety Deputy mayor

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Speaker 3: for young people that's comparable to what you do in probation.

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Speaker 3: So when he asked me to take the position, I said, okay,

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Speaker 3: total opposite. They would think, oh, you come from police department.

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Speaker 3: You're putting cuffs on people. Know, there were a lot

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Speaker 3: You're not giving them a summons. They got to grow

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Speaker 2: To beginning with. And that's what I would want to

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Speaker 2: see somebody like you. I think that you know, as

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Speaker 2: But what you really want is people who want to

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Speaker 2: the New York City Department of Probation and the services

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Speaker 2: that you guys offer, just so people can know, like

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Speaker 2: what are some of the services that you aller.

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Speaker 3: So there's health, there's education, there's tutoring, you can get

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Speaker 3: your high school equivalency. We also have about seven locations

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Speaker 3: around the city and this is our Neon spaces. Neon

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Speaker 3: came about and is recognized nationally. It came about so

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Speaker 3: you allow a personal probation to stay in their community

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Speaker 3: and visit their probation officer. Okay, so they didn't have

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Speaker 3: to worry about coffee and things of that nature. And

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Speaker 3: right it's convenient beca because also that's where they're participating

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Speaker 3: the key is people think it's only people in probation.

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Speaker 3: It's actually very proactive because any child in that community

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Speaker 2: Right now, that's amazing. Now you talk about when you

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Speaker 2: so I see, definitely you've made an impact already as

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Speaker 1: Who So there's a lot of administrative work.

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Speaker 3: When you talk about policy and procedures and the Department

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Speaker 3: So tabling that is I think the most challenging thing

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Speaker 1: Also I think the programs, which was key.

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Speaker 3: That's probably the first thing I looked at, okay, because

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's good for social emotional, but it's not going

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Speaker 3: It ken in with certain respect, but nine times out

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Speaker 2: So I love that we can hang them up in

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Speaker 1: Yes? So yes, so we've had that experience.

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Speaker 2: We've had that experience, and those are hard choices to

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Speaker 3: They really are, they really are, and people don't understand it.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not into cutting programs. I'm into getting the

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Speaker 2: So okay, And with the Rikers Island do to close?

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Speaker 3: Because Rikers does have some individual you know, individuals that

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Speaker 3: So some individuals say, oh I got sentenced to one

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Speaker 2: You know. And also with probation, I know I've heard

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Speaker 3: So that process is a judge, you know, the judges

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Speaker 3: the good thing is when you are complying. That's what

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Speaker 1: We have an early release. Okay, So you know, which

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Speaker 2: Now, what would you say is the best part of

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Speaker 3: I think the best part of my job being creative.

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Speaker 3: I'm an innovative person. I love to move things forward,

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Speaker 1: And we play a critical role in public safety here.

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Speaker 3: People don't look at it as such, but when you

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Speaker 3: We're making it more efficient.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yes, yes, And can we talk about

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Speaker 3: Yes, so they can simply go to New York City

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Speaker 3: Because it's not just probation officers. We have administrative positions

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Speaker 1: We are hiring. We have a hardcore hiring campaign.

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Speaker 3: We are actually hiring individuals that simply have a college

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, so it's supports whatever you have to do.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, shout out to my cousin. All Right, Jason,

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Speaker 2: But you guys can definitely make sure you check that

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Speaker 2: out because, like she said, you guys are hiring. Somebody

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Speaker 2: Department of Probation. And I think that's amazing just to

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