Speaker 1: What do you call two guys that were there win
Speaker 1: this hample.
Speaker 2: Back to return at Spurlock.
Speaker 3: Michael Spurlock of the cham He's to the twenty, He's
Speaker 3: to the twenty five.
Speaker 2: Parlo thirty to the forty yard line. We could see history.
Speaker 2: Fifty forty come the thirty yard light.
Speaker 3: Michael run, Michael Luck, Michael run, touchdown, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: There you go in.
Speaker 3: That shot gun sends we receivers left. Here's the staff
Speaker 3: of the glitzer has picked up Brady Unity.
Speaker 2: Caught ball ups.
Speaker 4: He has the record at the eleven yard line.
Speaker 1: Mike Evans becomes.
Speaker 3: The first NFL player in lead history to record a
Speaker 3: thousand yards of more in this first seventh seasons.
Speaker 2: That want to throw by Brady.
Speaker 3: Congratulations Mike Evans, who can forget looking gas up the
Speaker 3: hats the other side.
Speaker 2: Derek Bucks thirty touchdown, Tampa Bay. Derek Brooks the.
Speaker 3: Most pariable player in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: There it is Dot Daggers in We're gonna win the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Here's the snap.
Speaker 2: Mahomes running to his right. Lookout he may run Mahome
Speaker 2: director Now battle in sev picked up the Inzon. I
Speaker 2: gotta beat the Chiefs. We're the chapters of the world
Speaker 2: and we still have I'm in a thirty three Togo
Speaker 2: Davin White, what a great second season.
Speaker 3: That's it with Casey Box are the super Bowl champs.
Speaker 2: They can't stop the clock. We call them the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 4: Welcome everybody to the Salty Dogs Podcast and Week nine
Speaker 4: of the Buccaneers season. I'm Scott Smith.
Speaker 2: Jeff Ryant is of Week nine already, it's all righty
Speaker 2: Week nine.
Speaker 4: We are the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 2: Very salty this week. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we talk about Buccaner's football for the most part,
Speaker 4: sometimes the cars we see in the parking.
Speaker 2: Lot out there, who knows what it's gonna come out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what keeps it fun.
Speaker 4: So this week we get to talk about a disappointing game.
Speaker 2: You know what, more disappointed than the Ravens game for sure, Yeah.
Speaker 4: For sure, and much more destructive to our playoff chase. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because losing to an AFC opponent, well, you don't want
Speaker 4: to lose any games and they matter in the standings.
Speaker 4: Losing to is not as bad as losing to a
Speaker 4: division opponent, especially when it gives them the season sweep.
Speaker 4: So we are essentially two games out of first, correct
Speaker 4: have to finish. Probably lets you end up in some
Speaker 4: kind of three way tie, you probably have to finish.
Speaker 4: You definitely have to finish a game ahead of the.
Speaker 2: Falcons so to win the division.
Speaker 4: And I would say the Bucks upcoming schedule the next
Speaker 4: couple weeks is harder than the Falcons much.
Speaker 2: But before we get into that, however, they are playing
Speaker 2: the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the Cowboys have been very up and down.
Speaker 2: I know it's really kind of hard. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: hard to root for the Cowboys, but I am this.
Speaker 2: I'll find a way. Yeah, we found a way to
Speaker 2: root for Sean Payton. Well there's oh wow, remember we
Speaker 2: did if we can climb that wall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So before we get to all that, two things, Uh,
Speaker 4: if we're gonna have questions from fans at the end,
Speaker 4: We've gotten a lot of nice questions this season. Good
Speaker 4: not as many this week, but that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 4: If you don't love us, so thats gotten very very happy,
Speaker 4: don't stop it and tell him how to Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: where I was getting to. So if you want to
Speaker 4: send us questions or comments, I think like one of
Speaker 4: these this week is as as something picking a bone
Speaker 4: with me on a headline that I wrote, not in
Speaker 4: a mean way, but we'll get to that. It can
Speaker 4: be something like that, or it can be something you
Speaker 4: want to complain about about the game, or you know,
Speaker 4: get something off your chest, or tell us how.
Speaker 2: You be or whatever, or you know, we're here if
Speaker 2: you think what a burger's better than in and out?
Speaker 2: That kind of help us.
Speaker 4: Help you if you have comments on my driving habits,
Speaker 4: because that hasn't gone over very well for me.
Speaker 2: I noticed you haven't really brought very many of those.
Speaker 2: Well I did it two weeks in a row. Anyway.
Speaker 4: The other thing is we do have a player guest
Speaker 4: this week. We got with Zion McCollum. We'll be listening
Speaker 4: to that in just a little bit. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 4: great guy, and he'll talk to us about the state
Speaker 4: of the Bucks secondary and his confidence in his own
Speaker 4: play and think and the Chiefs things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of this, a little bit of that,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 4: So we're talking about the Bucks thirty one twenty six
Speaker 4: lost to the Falcons on Sunday at Raymond James Stadium,
Speaker 4: which uh the final play Kim Jared actually caught a
Speaker 4: hail Mary from baker Manyfleet, but he was already about
Speaker 4: a yard behind.
Speaker 2: The and he also took out unfortunately a state trooper did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really uh. The state trooper has a broken ankles.
Speaker 2: I've seeing it online. He was not facing the field
Speaker 2: because job his job too, and he was at the
Speaker 2: very he was watching the crowd, making sure he was
Speaker 2: watching the crowd, which is what he's supposed to do, correct,
Speaker 2: And they caught the ball and then they plowed into
Speaker 2: him and he never saw it coming. The trooper never
Speaker 2: saw it coming and then boom. And I saw a
Speaker 2: report that it was a broken ankle, which which through
Speaker 2: all the craziness that I didn't even realize that until
Speaker 2: I think it was yesterday. I just didn't know.
Speaker 4: So you just told me, well, maybe end up with
Speaker 4: some paid time off for him?
Speaker 2: Well I would think so, well, yeah, well maybe not,
Speaker 2: because I don't know if they're actually are they Are
Speaker 2: they on duty at that time or are they just
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that would it's probably over time. You would think, yeah,
Speaker 4: are you wondering about workers comp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess so fall under that. But that
Speaker 2: was a crazy place.
Speaker 4: In a TV show or a movie. Then that guy
Speaker 4: would be bummed out that he had to, you.
Speaker 2: Know, missus desk guy. Yeah, he probably is for a
Speaker 2: couple of months, probably still.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that does look like the least part fun
Speaker 4: part of being a policeman is the paperwork.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, yes, but it's very important stuff.
Speaker 4: I know it's important, but I doubt it's the part
Speaker 4: they enjoy the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, other than.
Speaker 4: Will Ferrell and the other guys.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good movie. Have you seen a movie.
Speaker 4: It's the name of it, The other guys with Will
Speaker 4: Ferrell and.
Speaker 2: No, but I think going to Kansas City, Going to
Speaker 2: Kansas City, I think I'm gonna watch The Fall Guy
Speaker 2: under your recommendation, so good unless we have live TV,
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna be watching.
Speaker 4: Football, yes, because we'll be traveling on Sunday, yes, for
Speaker 4: the Monday night game. All right, So, how did we
Speaker 4: get to the point where we're Kim Jarrett's being out
Speaker 4: of bounds by a yard mint the Bucks had to
Speaker 4: take the loss.
Speaker 2: Well here I want to show you this just because.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a good podcasting show a video.
Speaker 2: I just want you to see that. I just want
Speaker 2: you to see oh gosh, poor guy. Yeah, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 4: He really did not even have any He didn't even
Speaker 4: hear it or anything. He didn't move a muscle until
Speaker 4: they hit him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I detected your train of thought.
Speaker 4: The Buccaneers playing the Falcons and Kirk Cousins again, they
Speaker 4: really needed He didn't go for five hundred yards this time.
Speaker 4: It was more like two hundred and seventy five. But
Speaker 4: they really needed to get pressure on him, and there
Speaker 4: wasn't a ton of it. There wasn't a lot of pressure,
Speaker 4: and when he was pressured, he was getting off throws
Speaker 4: at the last second they were on target. It was
Speaker 4: very frustrating because I don't think of Kirk Cousins as
Speaker 4: that type of quarterback. But he did a great job
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately. Yeah. I just got done saying to someone who's
Speaker 2: here that was in my office before you came in, that,
Speaker 2: you know, we make Kirk Cussins like he's just a
Speaker 2: world beater, and I think once he got like eight
Speaker 2: touchdowns against us and maybe two against all the other games.
Speaker 2: It's it's minimal. It's actually you mean this season? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're kind it right, Yeah, it's it. I'm not really well,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know it's you're frustrating. No, I am.
Speaker 2: I always just thinking about about that. But you know what,
Speaker 2: He's getting the job done when he needs to get
Speaker 2: it done. So you got to say, Okay, he's doing
Speaker 2: his job.
Speaker 4: Eight touchdowns against us this season and six against everybody else. Okay,
Speaker 4: he's well behind Baker Mayfield, who leads the NFL with
Speaker 4: twenty one touchdown passes. And by the way, not that
Speaker 4: you care, he's the second highest scoring quarterback in fantasy football.
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, wells see that I can get behind because
Speaker 2: you're willing to hear that, because it's yes.
Speaker 4: So the main story for the Buccaneers on offense was
Speaker 4: that they had to figure out a way to continue
Speaker 4: to move the ball in the absence of Chris Godwin
Speaker 4: for the rest of the regular season, at least. He's
Speaker 4: been saying that maybe he could make it back for
Speaker 4: the playoffs, said that at his charity event yesterday yesterday,
Speaker 4: and then Mike Evans, we expected to be out until
Speaker 4: after the week eleven by, So how do you take
Speaker 4: the two guys? How do you make the offense continue
Speaker 4: to work when you have removed the two guys that
Speaker 4: accounted for roughly fifty percent of the passing offense and
Speaker 4: eleven of Baker's first eighteen touchdown passes.
Speaker 2: How do you do that? It was pretty interesting. It
Speaker 2: was very interesting. I mean it was fun to watch.
Speaker 4: It was fun to watch Liam Cohen, the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 4: putting another big star on his resume, which is I
Speaker 4: hope nobody's looking.
Speaker 2: At well, it's like I said, yeah, if he can
Speaker 2: still rack up points. Losing to the stop to pretty.
Speaker 4: Impressive in yards. We had four and twenty three we
Speaker 4: lost four and twenty three yards. We lost some scoring
Speaker 4: opportunities with Baker's two interceptions inside the ten yard line
Speaker 4: and then the unsuccessful fake punt, but we moved the
Speaker 4: ball nine or fourteen third down conversions nine of fourteen.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Do you know what?
Speaker 4: We lead the league with the fifty two point third
Speaker 4: down conversion rate, which would easily be a Buccaneers record
Speaker 4: if they keep it up. But fit more than half
Speaker 4: I and so, yes, there were answers, and it was
Speaker 4: it was basically this. It was, we are going to
Speaker 4: rely on those three running backs. We're going to throw
Speaker 4: them some passes. You need somebody to do the yact
Speaker 4: plays that Chris Godwin was given us and the underneath
Speaker 4: stuff on third downs. Uh, we're going to spread it
Speaker 4: around amongst all the other receivers because nobody went nuts,
Speaker 4: but everybody did a little bit.
Speaker 2: Everybody helped. Yes, and then uh kotten a lot more Cad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and two touchdowns on tight end day. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what a great game for Cad. He even was
Speaker 4: like doing athletic things, a hurdling over defenders and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. You don't think of that as kid's game,
Speaker 4: but every now and then he was surprised you with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're kind of teasing him on Buck's Total Access.
Speaker 2: He was Monday's guest, and he's pretty funny about his
Speaker 2: jumping abilities. It's pretty good.
Speaker 4: So Caid last two games has had something like sixteen
Speaker 4: catches for like one hundred and seventy yards.
Speaker 2: And certainly coming certainly coming into his own as a tight.
Speaker 4: End well as a as a pass catching guy, because
Speaker 4: he only had a few catches in the first few games.
Speaker 4: But he's by necessity, he's a thrown to him now
Speaker 4: and he's making it work. And he's on the has
Speaker 4: been the case throughout his career. He's on the field
Speaker 4: like practically every play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's getting better at blocking. Yeah, he's a cad.
Speaker 5: Mean.
Speaker 4: I was told by Casey I guess or maybe you
Speaker 4: that cam Brat was talking about Kid on the show
Speaker 4: and saying that there just aren't many tidends in the
Speaker 4: league who are legitimately good at both parts of the job, right,
Speaker 4: And he compared it a little bit to a George
Speaker 4: Kittle type. So, Kate's never going to be a flashy player,
Speaker 4: and depending on what else you got on offense, he
Speaker 4: may not always put up huge numbers, but when you
Speaker 4: need him to and so and then you know, you
Speaker 4: talk about the young receivers, you know, Jalen McMillan, he
Speaker 4: did do a few things in that game that you
Speaker 4: normally would see from Chris Godwin. He had an end
Speaker 4: around that worked well, very well. That's the thing they
Speaker 4: do with Chris. He had one of those tunnel screens
Speaker 4: that he did a really good job on, which is
Speaker 4: a Chris special. So we won't have as many of
Speaker 4: those type of plays, but we do have some players
Speaker 4: that can give you that stuff, and Jalen looked like
Speaker 4: he would be the one to take on some of
Speaker 4: those Chris Godwin plays.
Speaker 2: Well. The one thing I noticed when you talk about
Speaker 2: the plays, there are a couple of throws that I
Speaker 2: thought Baker made that were a little high, and I
Speaker 2: just I think if it was Chris or Mike, they
Speaker 2: probably would have been caught. So I was curious to,
Speaker 2: you know, say to Baker, how much of an adjustment
Speaker 2: you know, do you have to make.
Speaker 4: On that well there, he clearly does not yet have
Speaker 4: the same level, of course, not of chemistry with like
Speaker 4: a Jalen McMillan as he would have had with Mike
Speaker 4: and Chris. And you saw that a couple of times,
Speaker 4: a couple of big plays left out there, the deep.
Speaker 2: One to Jalen. I don't know.
Speaker 4: The way Baker talked about it sounded like there was
Speaker 4: a little bit of a difference between where he thought
Speaker 4: Jalen would be and where he was, so Mike he
Speaker 4: would have known exactly, they would have been on the
Speaker 4: same page. And so it ended up being a little overthrown.
Speaker 4: And then the other one, which was down the scene
Speaker 4: on the third long and Jalen was open and if
Speaker 4: he catches that ball, he's gone, it's a touchdown. But
Speaker 4: he didn't get his head around and the ball ended
Speaker 4: up landing behind him. So one wonders if that one
Speaker 4: also was just I know where Mike had been on
Speaker 4: that route. Jalen either wasn't exactly where he's supposed to
Speaker 4: be on that route, or it's just the lack of
Speaker 4: chemistry so far between.
Speaker 2: The tab and it takes a little bit of type sterling.
Speaker 2: Shepherd had a pretty good game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know who he was actually really impressed with,
Speaker 4: Probably the most among those receivers was rock Kim Jarrett.
Speaker 2: He considering he hadn't played in a while.
Speaker 4: He basically didn't get to He didn't he didn't get
Speaker 4: most of trading camp for the preseason. His knee was
Speaker 4: hurt badly enough that he had knee surgery, which we
Speaker 4: didn't even realize until a couple of weeks ago when
Speaker 4: Todd told us. He went on injury reserve to start
Speaker 4: the season and missed seven games, and even as late
Speaker 4: as last Friday, coach Follis was saying, we'll see on him,
Speaker 4: even though he was practicing full He's like I talked
Speaker 4: to him, We're not one hundred percent sure that he's
Speaker 4: fully ready to play in a game.
Speaker 2: It's a you know, that was two days before the game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he came in. He was real.
Speaker 4: He was real presence. In the fourth quarter when they
Speaker 4: knew we were thrown and we had to get something done,
Speaker 4: he had a twenty yard catch, two nineteen yard catches.
Speaker 4: I just I didn't expect that level of production from
Speaker 4: him right away. You know, last year he had four
Speaker 4: catches right for sixty yards and ten games. He nearly
Speaker 4: matched that in one game.
Speaker 2: He was doing his homework when he was rehabby. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, I honestly did figured he'd be the fifth option,
Speaker 4: which maybe he was because he didn't get his catches till.
Speaker 2: Late in the game.
Speaker 4: But I didn't think you'd I didn't think he'd be
Speaker 4: the one to come up with the big play. So
Speaker 4: I was kind of impressed with him. I thought he
Speaker 4: looked pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I like how the start of
Speaker 2: the game went. Unfortunately, fumbled the ball, but I like
Speaker 2: that the fact that you have a mishap like that
Speaker 2: and you think, oh, oh, here we go, Atlanta scores.
Speaker 2: Now you're down seven, get the ball back and march
Speaker 2: all the way down the field and score a touchdown.
Speaker 2: I thought it was like, okay, all right, this is
Speaker 2: going to be a good offense. Today, so this was
Speaker 2: going to work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the previous four games we had scored a touchdown
Speaker 4: on our first drive, and obviously this time we didn't
Speaker 4: because of the fumble in the second play, but those
Speaker 4: two were shod whites to start the runs. To start
Speaker 4: the game, had gotten a first.
Speaker 2: Down, and we're very you know, so it's almost.
Speaker 4: Like the drive you talked about. The second one was
Speaker 4: kind of like our opening drive is the first one.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: We didn't have to punt on the first one. We
Speaker 4: just so we still had the script working. Well, what
Speaker 4: I would like to know what I'm kind of impressed
Speaker 4: by and want to know how it's possible. It was
Speaker 4: a lot of short game stuff, right, Atlanta had to
Speaker 4: know that's where we're gonna go with it, right, How
Speaker 4: did we make it work? I mean that must be
Speaker 4: some creative play design. Because they knew we had to
Speaker 4: throw a lot of short passes to the backs. They
Speaker 4: knew we probably couldn't get our and they were playing
Speaker 4: two deep safety most of the time, so we probably
Speaker 4: weren't gonna be able to get our young receivers deep.
Speaker 2: We were gonna have to do some screens.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to throw some short stuff decaid and
Speaker 4: the fact that they were still able to do that
Speaker 4: to the tune of four hundred and twenty three yards
Speaker 4: is pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Everybody listenings now, if they're upset, is probably yelling at
Speaker 4: us saying, you guys are talking awfully positively about a
Speaker 4: terrible loss. But we're starting with the good stuff. And
Speaker 4: the good stuff was the offense being able to move
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're kind of breaking down. The game is where
Speaker 2: it was at. And if you remember, going into this game,
Speaker 2: the theme was, oh, wos me offensively? What are we
Speaker 2: going to do? We lost Mike and Chris, right, So
Speaker 2: this is props to the oh Hartford two. That was
Speaker 2: the good development. That was a good development.
Speaker 4: I heard somebody say that, you know, they still believed
Speaker 4: that this was a playoff team, because teams that can
Speaker 4: score twenty nine points a game, no matter what else
Speaker 4: is going on, usually make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: The highs of the highs and the lows of the
Speaker 2: lows in the NFL are week to week the week.
Speaker 2: As you and I both know, I am always amazed,
Speaker 2: and I don't know why. I'm always surprised that you
Speaker 2: have a game like that and everybody's off the bandwagon immediately.
Speaker 2: And I get it, you're a fan. I understand that,
Speaker 2: but gosh, there's eight games left.
Speaker 4: We're not talking there's nine games, and we're not talking
Speaker 4: about everybody. No listen, probably nobody that's listening. We're not
Speaker 4: saying you were giving up from jumping to the bandwagon.
Speaker 2: I mean, is there reason for concern? Yeah, you're down
Speaker 2: to four and.
Speaker 4: You're a game out of first place in Atlanta has
Speaker 4: the sweep, and the bucks next two games just happened
Speaker 4: to be against the two reigning conference champions, right, so
Speaker 4: it's easy to look at them and go, wow, there's
Speaker 4: a chance to.
Speaker 2: Step But even after that, you still have a chance.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, it's not it's not an and you all.
Speaker 2: And the funny part is you just assume that the
Speaker 2: other teams are just going to keep doing what they're doing,
Speaker 2: so you don't know who's bounced and left. Baltimore just
Speaker 2: lost to Cleveland. I just had that conversation because someone said,
Speaker 2: are you ready for Monday? I go, yeah, because you
Speaker 2: just don't know, you know, I mean, can't believe Baltimore
Speaker 2: lost the Cleveland. Well, it was kind of kind of crazy.
Speaker 4: They should have won. James should have been easily intercepted
Speaker 4: to seal the game.
Speaker 2: A play that should have happened. So it's execution.
Speaker 4: If a great player Tookyle Hamilton is a great player
Speaker 4: that drops the easiest interception you'll ever see.
Speaker 2: That's what I That's why I really love this game
Speaker 2: is That's why, Well, I love it because you just
Speaker 2: don't know, and and.
Speaker 4: I'd kind of like to know that we're going to
Speaker 4: win every game.
Speaker 2: Well, we would like that, but that ain't happening, I know.
Speaker 4: But if you were working for many the two thousand
Speaker 4: and seven Patriots, it would be kind of cool, Yeah,
Speaker 4: to pretty much know you're gonna win every time you
Speaker 4: go out.
Speaker 2: Except didn't they lose the Super Bowl? They lost the
Speaker 2: super Bowl. Yeah, so I'd rather lose during the season
Speaker 2: and win the super Bowl. Yes, of course, of course, But.
Speaker 4: There's only so much you can lose during the regular season,
Speaker 4: and I still have a chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you told the Patriots they were gonna lose one
Speaker 4: game season, would be the last one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which one you would? You know?
Speaker 4: Well, it couldn't be any of the last three.
Speaker 2: No, But that's what I was talking about the reason
Speaker 2: why I love this game is because of one play
Speaker 2: somewhere makes the difference. But what's amazing, what's the average
Speaker 2: offensive place? What sixty how many plays in a game? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just depends on the game. That seventy okay, all right, So.
Speaker 4: Then you had seventy three in this last game.
Speaker 2: And then you break it down to and then people go, well,
Speaker 2: it was this play, it was that play. But that's
Speaker 2: just it. You've got to execute for seventy plays to
Speaker 2: make things right, or at least like sixty five of
Speaker 2: them hopefully right. You're not gonna wait everyplay. How what
Speaker 2: was the what the Buccaneers did they have a was
Speaker 2: it a ninety three yard driver? In ninety two yard?
Speaker 2: Ninety seven? Ninety seven? Okay, so they were on the
Speaker 2: three yard line? Yeah, because when we were on the
Speaker 2: I remember Jean saying, there's it's a long way to
Speaker 2: go and you're on the three yard line. But they
Speaker 2: did and that's why, And back to what you were
Speaker 2: talking about the offense. That's a perfect example of extent
Speaker 2: of a great drive.
Speaker 4: It's hard to get a ninety seven yard drive without
Speaker 4: some big ass chunk plays, and we were not getting
Speaker 4: a lot of those.
Speaker 2: The longest play we had in the game was twenty Now,
Speaker 2: how much time that take? That took a long time?
Speaker 2: Seven minutes and nine seconds. Wow. The the seventy yard
Speaker 2: drive right before.
Speaker 4: That, the one you just mentioned, our first drive and
Speaker 4: Caid's first touchdown took eight and a half minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that first quarter. I think we got all of
Speaker 2: like two commercial breaks, so we were running behind. That's
Speaker 2: my world. Yeah, got world. I forgot what I was
Speaker 2: gonna say. I am easy for you to get distracted.
Speaker 4: I know you're very good at it too, causing that
Speaker 4: to happen. To look at my notes, my heads. You
Speaker 4: know what, I'm just gonna go with this. I may
Speaker 4: have to change my mind. Maybe maybe I don't really
Speaker 4: love flea Flickers anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh, I you know what, this is crazy. When they
Speaker 2: were doing it, I was thinking, flea Flickers, Scott is
Speaker 2: going to be so happy. Maybe not so much anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I like the call. I liked it.
Speaker 2: It's one of those plays that if it works, is like,
Speaker 2: oh that is so cool. I don't know. It hasn't
Speaker 2: done much for us this year, so you say, let's
Speaker 2: put it away from it.
Speaker 4: Come up with something else. I love trick plays. I
Speaker 4: don't want them to go away. Trick plays were not
Speaker 4: our friend in this game. The fake punt. When was
Speaker 4: the last time we tried a fake punt. I'm thrilled
Speaker 4: that we had, you know that we had that in
Speaker 4: the game plan and had the i'mption to do it,
Speaker 4: but it just did not.
Speaker 2: Work at all from my understanding, And maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but I thought after the game it was alluded to
Speaker 2: that it should have been called off and it didn't
Speaker 2: get caught. That's probably true. So you get out I
Speaker 2: think that was coming out of the press conference, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't rumor wise. I think it was.
Speaker 4: One of the coaches was, yeah, that's probably the case
Speaker 4: because the play when you watch it is like how
Speaker 4: that had no chance of succeeding. So you get out there,
Speaker 4: you see how they're lined up, uh huh. You're expecting
Speaker 4: a certain look that this is going to work against
Speaker 4: and then you if it's not, if they give you
Speaker 4: something else, then you call it off and you just
Speaker 4: want the ball. That's probably the case, But there was
Speaker 4: lack of communication and it didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: and that was the only score the Falcons had in
Speaker 2: the second half. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the defense was way better. They did some nice
Speaker 4: adjustment in the second half. They came right out, so
Speaker 4: it was to what it is, twenty four to seventeen,
Speaker 4: twenty one, seventeen and a half right, twenty four to
Speaker 4: seventeen right at half.
Speaker 2: So fourteen of those points were short field scores for
Speaker 2: the Falcon.
Speaker 4: Their first drive was only forty three yards after the
Speaker 4: fumble HU and then you're talking about.
Speaker 2: The fake punt. I think that was that in the
Speaker 2: second half. That's in the second half.
Speaker 4: Okay, that was off of a thirty six yard drive.
Speaker 2: Okay, so half the field less than yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So they had two scoring drives that started on
Speaker 4: our side of the field.
Speaker 2: Yep. Starting to feel better about our defense just listening
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 4: Well, they did just well. And so it's twenty four
Speaker 4: to seventeen. You're coming out of half. The downside to
Speaker 4: taking the ball to start the game, which we've been
Speaker 4: doing this year, is that the other team gets to
Speaker 4: start the second half. And so Atlanta, which kicked a
Speaker 4: field goal in the first half, had a chance to
Speaker 4: go up by two scores.
Speaker 2: Oh, we got to stop big one.
Speaker 4: And come right out and immediately get a stop. Two
Speaker 4: big plays by Levante and Izzian and a nice holding
Speaker 4: call helped out as well, and you got the stop
Speaker 4: you needed.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 4: We had the first interception on the flee flicker yep,
Speaker 4: and then you're like, damn, we didn't because.
Speaker 2: You don't want to fall down.
Speaker 4: Two scores there, and so then they get the ball
Speaker 4: back and we stopped them again, but we couldn't capitalize
Speaker 4: and tie the game. And so after our next three
Speaker 4: and out, then they scored on a on the thirty
Speaker 4: six yard drive after the fake punt didn't work. And
Speaker 4: so really, had that fake punt worked, the game would
Speaker 4: have looked a lot different.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 4: Yes, we were moving the ball, yes, pretty much throughout
Speaker 4: the game, so it's reasonable. I think that possibly could
Speaker 4: have been a touchdown drive. Instead, they get a short
Speaker 4: touchdown drive. They are two scores.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 4: We try to fight back, but just can't get all
Speaker 4: the way there.
Speaker 2: No ran out of time very much, so, and I
Speaker 2: think I think what's really frustrating is just listening the
Speaker 2: way you just laid all that out defensively. I think
Speaker 2: to me, all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, you
Speaker 2: know what, I guess they played better than I thought.
Speaker 2: I but the salty parts coming out now, the big
Speaker 2: gashing passes.
Speaker 4: Right, do they have three touchdong passes more than thirty yards?
Speaker 2: That? It's been our main problem this year, that is,
Speaker 2: and Todd bows, how how is that guy running free?
Speaker 4: Todd tends to chalk those things up to communication, and
Speaker 4: we just have to take their word for it. I mean,
Speaker 4: you do have some young guys playing, and we did
Speaker 4: see Tyreek Thunderberg get replaced by in the second half.
Speaker 2: And in fairness, you know you're asking guys to step
Speaker 2: in who played pretty good, so you're you've got a
Speaker 2: somewhat confidence.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I just the main it's is it fixable?
Speaker 4: Because that needs to be fixed for this team to
Speaker 4: make the playoffs. We can't we can't be so susceptible
Speaker 4: to those big holes in the zone and big, big
Speaker 4: splash plays, right.
Speaker 2: Uh huh? And you know you just you can't catch up.
Speaker 2: We couldn't catch up.
Speaker 4: As Todd said after the game, twenty six points should
Speaker 4: be enough to win, yes, and so the offense did
Speaker 4: what it Now two of those points were our safety,
Speaker 4: but still the offense did what it needed to do.
Speaker 4: It left some points in the field because of those turnovers,
Speaker 4: But the offense played well enough to win, and we
Speaker 4: just we're having a hard time getting a full team
Speaker 4: effort in recent weeks.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because you had a breakdown if plays and
Speaker 2: special teams.
Speaker 4: Think about the Detroit game that was I mean, you
Speaker 4: can hang that on the defense for all. They got
Speaker 4: three stops in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: That win that game. Our defense has not been the
Speaker 2: same since that game. That was probably and I don't know,
Speaker 2: I guess because everybody was healthy at that stage. That helps.
Speaker 2: That really does well. We didn't, right, it was the
Speaker 2: only thing we didn't have. And so but again, you know,
Speaker 2: we're having the issue of a pass rush trying to
Speaker 2: get up in there too much time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the previous okay, we only got to the twice,
Speaker 4: but we did get some good pressure on him.
Speaker 2: He's just hard to get down.
Speaker 4: The three games before that, we were getting tons of
Speaker 4: sacks and we you know, we won two of those
Speaker 4: and should have won all of them. I think we
Speaker 4: had fifteen sacks over those three games. So it's kind
Speaker 4: of coming and going, yeah, right, and now we have everybody,
Speaker 4: there's nobody that's out in the defensive front. We have
Speaker 4: what we have, and yeah, the lack of pressure, I mean,
Speaker 4: we had to get we had to get some hits
Speaker 4: on Kirk because we see if we if he can
Speaker 4: just sit back there, he's going to pick you up
Speaker 4: part yeah, at least us. So that was That's what
Speaker 4: when I was on your radio show and Pat asked me,
Speaker 4: you know, or maybe it was running, what's you know,
Speaker 4: what's the formula for a Bucks winn here?
Speaker 2: What has to happen?
Speaker 4: I said, Well, on offense, we need to get some
Speaker 4: hits on on Kirk Cousins. We can't just sit back there.
Speaker 4: And and in an offense, we need to be able
Speaker 4: to run the ball, and we did. We were able
Speaker 4: to run the ball. So really it was you could
Speaker 4: probably say the most clearing issue was just we had
Speaker 4: to hit Kirk more.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, again, I think there is kind
Speaker 2: of like, okay, there is hope offensively, and I thought
Speaker 2: that game proved it. And so for sure, now you
Speaker 2: got to figure out how we're going to shore all
Speaker 2: of this up because there's still time. But you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta start clicking. And and it's just not it's
Speaker 2: not like it's kind of like the Yankees right now,
Speaker 2: they're they're h and three right now, right and everybody's going, wow,
Speaker 2: we're gonna click. It's it's hard to just click.
Speaker 4: I think I saw that the last like nine World
Speaker 4: Series that somebody went up three to oh they they
Speaker 4: finished the sweep. Yeah, I can vouch for two thousand
Speaker 4: and four because that was right that Red Sox of
Speaker 4: Carr and I was at Game four. That's not the
Speaker 4: best World Series game to go for your favorite team?
Speaker 4: Was game four of a four game?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: See weeks Yeah, not overly exciting.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the best.
Speaker 2: At least I can say I was there there you go.
Speaker 2: You know, it was funny.
Speaker 4: I have I have a note here on not the
Speaker 4: Rashad Whites film was funny. But you know, he gets
Speaker 4: like eight yards and first down, five yards and second
Speaker 4: round then fumbles and the outside PA guy apparently wasn't
Speaker 4: aware that he had fumbled because he's like first down
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, not so much.
Speaker 2: When he said that, I was like, oh, I guess
Speaker 2: I missed it. Wait a minute, speaking of things that
Speaker 2: were missed, things that happened, we.
Speaker 4: Probably shouldn't have gone this far into this podcast because
Speaker 4: everybody out there is going to talk about this.
Speaker 2: Here's my theory. This way, we know where I'm going. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna get fined because we're twenty seven minutes
Speaker 2: in it, and no one's gonna won't officials only only
Speaker 2: our die diehard listeners or do this far into it.
Speaker 2: So now though, now we get to the juicy.
Speaker 4: So Antoine Winfield, who amazing made I mean, you would
Speaker 4: never expect anybody to be able to do this twice
Speaker 4: in one season last year. Twice in one season, including
Speaker 4: once against the Falcons. He turned what was a sure
Speaker 4: touchdown for the opposition into a touch back by a
Speaker 4: hustle play and causing a fumble right before that player
Speaker 4: across the goal line against Atlanta against Carolina. Still lost
Speaker 4: the Atlanta game with the Carolina one. That was an
Speaker 4: instrumental play. He could have gone his whole career without
Speaker 4: ever doing that again. And then he did it again,
Speaker 4: and we're sitting there going, did.
Speaker 2: Antoine just do it again? That's impossible?
Speaker 4: Okay, So if you don't, you know, but just just
Speaker 4: to describe it, sure, please cal Pits on a crossing route,
Speaker 4: catches a pass, eludes several tacklers and he's he's gone, he's.
Speaker 2: He does the thing.
Speaker 4: I've always said this, this has nothing to do with showboating, celebrating, taunting.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 4: Having trouble with any of that. I don't understand why
Speaker 4: guys do the thing where they slow down and hold
Speaker 4: and put the ball down.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can. You can strut around and as soon
Speaker 2: as you cross the goal line strut around. Well, why
Speaker 2: would you ever even risk this? You're I don't know
Speaker 2: why you're strudying. You haven't done anything yet until you
Speaker 2: get across the goal line. So it's not a character flaw.
Speaker 2: A lot of guys have done it. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 4: I just feel like I would be so sure that
Speaker 4: I had that ball secured until I was in the NFL,
Speaker 4: and then you know, throw it into the crowd, get
Speaker 4: a fine, whatever you want to do, have some fun.
Speaker 4: But wait till the play's over. So Antoine catches up
Speaker 4: to him, gets his arm in there. Now they review
Speaker 4: the play.
Speaker 2: Well, it as a touchdown, Yeah, right, very important. They
Speaker 2: review the play.
Speaker 4: They choose not to overturn it, to our amazing, to
Speaker 4: our amazement, because I thought we've had that one for sure,
Speaker 4: and Basically it comes out that they just didn't have
Speaker 4: a good enough angle because they didn't have a pylon cam,
Speaker 4: and the pilon cam is dependent upon which.
Speaker 2: Broadcast team, what what broadcast team if we'd had the
Speaker 2: Tom Brady broadcast tea pilon cam correct. Now, I believe
Speaker 2: the NFL is working to get them in all stadiums.
Speaker 2: It's on the street that one's being installed at all stadiums,
Speaker 2: rumor on the street, the street very soon as we
Speaker 2: It's kind of that whole thing.
Speaker 4: It has to It's like the when the Saints got
Speaker 4: robbed against the Rams in the NFC Championship game, so
Speaker 4: they changed the rule. Something bad has to happen to
Speaker 4: a team, and then they suddenly quickly changed changed the rule,
Speaker 4: changed the procedure.
Speaker 2: Like, that's not helping us very much, thanks a lot.
Speaker 2: That's manual rule.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that was you know that one. They didn't
Speaker 4: even change the rule. No, they just emphasized and made
Speaker 4: sure that everybody knew what the rule was. But this
Speaker 4: isn't a rule, of course, but it just makes sense
Speaker 4: that if if this happened in front of Tom Brady,
Speaker 4: we'd had another angle and we might.
Speaker 2: Have got the call right.
Speaker 4: But because it was a different broadcast team, and not.
Speaker 2: Because Tom Brady was our quarterback. It's because Tom Brady's
Speaker 2: in the booth. Well they're the number one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're the number one team, and the number one
Speaker 4: team has a pylon cams, so that I think the NFL,
Speaker 4: that's what we're hearing. They're going to make that standard
Speaker 4: at every stadium. So it's not based on the broadcast team.
Speaker 4: It's the NFL implementing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It was a tough one to watch,
Speaker 2: and you know, in the stadium, of course, they were
Speaker 2: showing it, you know a little little behind the scenes
Speaker 2: when you're at home and they're showing it on the
Speaker 2: boards a lot. That means they feel pretty confident it's
Speaker 2: the real thing. Those whoever, whoever's in charge of that.
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea who it is that that
Speaker 2: would be Mike Dousnaps, but him specifically, because which one.
Speaker 2: I mean there is like twenty five people in that
Speaker 2: There was.
Speaker 4: Like four times and this is just what I noticed
Speaker 4: in that game where they were doing a replay over
Speaker 4: and over again to point something out right, and I
Speaker 4: was like, this is pretty dang impressive. They are getting
Speaker 4: this up there quick like there was one where you
Speaker 4: look like it should have been a flag for an
Speaker 4: illegal helmet to helmet. Yet there's obviously this antwe which
Speaker 4: which was pretty you know, it's interesting. It's just because
Speaker 4: you don't get flagged doesn't mean you're not going to
Speaker 4: get fined, right, But that doesn't help us. No, So
Speaker 4: the antoine play to me, see, I'm not worried about
Speaker 4: getting fine because I'm explaining what it looked like to me.
Speaker 4: They that doesn't mean that I know that I'm right,
Speaker 4: or that even if we had a Pilo camera we'd
Speaker 4: be right, but we at least would have had a
Speaker 4: definitive look.
Speaker 2: Did you make the checkout to Roger Goodell or do
Speaker 2: you make it out to NFL.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm right, I'm saying what it looks.
Speaker 4: They had those those crack that Crack crew up there
Speaker 4: in the jumble chron room had buck Vision had one
Speaker 4: replay where they start they stopped it and Kyle Pitts
Speaker 4: is both of Kyle's pit Pitts. His feet are not
Speaker 4: in the end zone yet there's his front foot is
Speaker 4: down on the ground and before it reaches the white line,
Speaker 4: so he is not in the end zone, and it
Speaker 4: looks to me like the ball which he's holding behind
Speaker 4: him is farther back than his feet, and that's exactly
Speaker 4: when Antoine knocks it out.
Speaker 2: To me, that looked definitive, right, But that was a
Speaker 2: camera that was not on the goal line. It was
Speaker 2: behind So I guess.
Speaker 4: Would be like, we don't know for sure because this
Speaker 4: angle that that what we're seeing is accurate.
Speaker 2: They said the plane the play doesn't necessarily mean we
Speaker 2: got it right. It just means they didn't think they
Speaker 2: conclusive prove right. I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I maybe I wouldn't be very good at that job
Speaker 4: because that I know that you can use two different
Speaker 4: or three different angles and piece together the information. But
Speaker 4: that one looks sure looked like feet weren't in ball
Speaker 4: was behind feet, so ball can't be an end zone
Speaker 4: and then ball is loose. But I admit there were
Speaker 4: some angles where it definitely was hard to tell.
Speaker 2: I just let that one. That's just me. That's what
Speaker 2: it looked like to me.
Speaker 4: Apparently I'm wrong, But the bigger issue was the lack
Speaker 4: of a pylon cam, which will be rectified, but who
Speaker 4: knows if it will ever matter again?
Speaker 2: Right, Well, what you get with the pylon cam is
Speaker 2: for those who are trying to figure what we're talking about,
Speaker 2: is right on the goal line and it shoots straight across,
Speaker 2: so you're at the level of not so long ago,
Speaker 2: right right where the line is, so you perfect and
Speaker 2: that I think because the game has become so fast,
Speaker 2: you almost have to embrace the technology. I wasn't a
Speaker 2: big fan of replays and stuff, but now I'm to
Speaker 2: the point where the technology is there. Two to you're
Speaker 2: not really taking the human element out of it, because
Speaker 2: officiating is more of you know, that's human. You know,
Speaker 2: I look at human element as players and emotion. That's
Speaker 2: the human element to me. So if you can put
Speaker 2: technology in to make everybody not unhappy, how's that, I'm
Speaker 2: all for it.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, if technology can, right, it hasn't in
Speaker 4: many ways already, and so it's always it's always advancing,
Speaker 4: right right.
Speaker 2: What about Bucky in his moves? Man, Wow, he has
Speaker 2: so much for boy my toe hurts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bucky was dealing with the toe injury that kept
Speaker 4: him out of practice, which was interesting.
Speaker 2: Coach made a comment that he had that issue in college,
Speaker 2: so this is something that he's used.
Speaker 4: Must occasionally habit could cross the definitely wasn't bothering him.
Speaker 4: And I mean some of those moves. I made a
Speaker 4: big mistake a night or two ago in texting with
Speaker 4: some of my friends who used to work here, and
Speaker 4: I was talking about how good I thought Bucky was,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, some of his moves reminded me of
Speaker 4: Barry Sanders, and to which point they got all over
Speaker 4: my case, thought I was on drugs and I was not.
Speaker 4: I was not saying that he is Barry Sanders in
Speaker 4: any way. No, but I see while you're saying some
Speaker 4: of the some of the moves like remember that did
Speaker 4: you did you see that one yard run? It was
Speaker 4: the best, one of the best one yard runs I've
Speaker 4: ever seen.
Speaker 2: His field vision is unreal well, and then just the.
Speaker 4: Instant jump cut and on that one yard run he
Speaker 4: literally jumped back and had four defenders running into each other.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 4: Barry Sanders would do stuff like that. He disappeared in
Speaker 4: a pile and then he and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: hot file pops out over here. He like Bucky did
Speaker 4: on that one like fifteen yard run, and he just
Speaker 4: his moves are electric.
Speaker 2: Man. No, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4: He did you know that he leads the NFL in
Speaker 4: NFL running backs in forced missed tackle percentage forty five,
Speaker 4: something like forty five percent of the attempted tackles on
Speaker 4: him he forces a mistackler and that's number one in
Speaker 4: the league. Okay, so it's the evidence. The numbers back
Speaker 4: up what you're seeing with your eyes. This guy makes
Speaker 4: people miss on a consistent basis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like our running back group. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think each guy brings something a little bit different,
Speaker 2: but very solid across the board. But I understand why
Speaker 2: you would say that that. If you said that to me,
Speaker 2: I would take it as he's not Barry Sanders, He's.
Speaker 4: I should have prefaced the statement, I'm not saying this guy.
Speaker 4: Look if that's coming from me, I think Barry Sanders
Speaker 4: is a great FRONA.
Speaker 2: First of all, I know who you're texting, So no
Speaker 2: matter what you said, they're gonna jump ahind for you.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't I got her, Yeah they can't.
Speaker 4: They got me riled up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't wait on that one.
Speaker 4: They got me really led up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I personally think Barry Sanders is the
Speaker 4: greatest running back of all time, definitely the most entertaining
Speaker 4: running back of all time, and there has not been
Speaker 4: a guy that he's even approached him since. And to
Speaker 4: suggest that any running back, let alone in a third
Speaker 4: round rookie, is going to be anything like Barry Sanders
Speaker 4: is lun lunatic behavior. But you can say I watched
Speaker 4: Barry Sanders playing boy. That move that Bucky just made
Speaker 4: really reminds me, and they both were kind of they
Speaker 4: weren't tall guys. They're short guys for a running back
Speaker 4: for an NFL player, but great, incredible balance and just
Speaker 4: this ability to make these jump cuts. You say his
Speaker 4: great field vision. I'll agree with you if you mean
Speaker 4: like it's just instantaneous, because it almost seems instinctively.
Speaker 2: At some point he can process very quickly. You see,
Speaker 2: some guys just have that ability to like I doubt
Speaker 2: they even think about it. It's just like it's kind
Speaker 2: of like when you're a kid playing with the other kids,
Speaker 2: you're not thinking about where to go, You're just trying
Speaker 2: to go. So but very few kids have that kind
Speaker 2: of kind of movement. I like that.
Speaker 4: I do think it appears that you know the Baltimore game,
Speaker 4: you said this one was worse than Baltimore on Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I agreed. But then when I think about it,
Speaker 4: the fact that we lost Mike and Chris in that game.
Speaker 2: Okay, whenever I say that, you need to take out
Speaker 2: the fact I understand what everybody feels.
Speaker 4: About that just this one could have been bad in
Speaker 4: the same way. When we see Levante go down and
Speaker 4: stay down for a while, and I what I did
Speaker 4: not like was when he was still lying down, he
Speaker 4: was talking to the trainers and he made this hand
Speaker 4: gesture that you could tell was him showing that my
Speaker 4: foot bend this.
Speaker 2: Way and I don't think it's supposed to go down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it was kind of had his hands
Speaker 4: together like as like in the prayer position, and then
Speaker 4: it was bending it this way.
Speaker 2: We both have colds. If you haven't noticed, Scott gave
Speaker 2: it to me last week.
Speaker 4: I had last week. I'm almost over it. You are,
Speaker 4: You're kind of still in the throes. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: like in the middle.
Speaker 2: It's really going around. Yeah, Well, that's just it. I
Speaker 2: always having that discussion that it just seems to be.
Speaker 2: And then of course I was talking to some people
Speaker 2: who have little kids and they go, oh yeah, the
Speaker 2: kids are sick, and I'm like, now I know where
Speaker 2: it came from, which I'm not blieving people that have kids.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying where it comes from their little Petri dishes.
Speaker 2: You know, look at the germs I got. It's not
Speaker 2: I don't think eun of us has the flu. No,
Speaker 2: they were giving out flu shots yesterday. Yeah I didn't
Speaker 2: partic Well, no, I didn't either.
Speaker 4: I'm not anti no fact, I'm very much pro vaccines, right,
Speaker 4: but I'm also phobically afraid of needles. Yes, you are,
Speaker 4: so I will do anything to avoid it. I would
Speaker 4: rather have the flu than get a shot. It comes
Speaker 4: down to, and I'm not even kidding. I'm literally phobic
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think you're supposed to get that if
Speaker 2: you're not feeling well either. Well, okay, so I'm not
Speaker 2: a doctor, but I'm just saying, Oh.
Speaker 4: I have the number here, Bucky's uh mistackle force percentages
Speaker 4: forty four point seven, number one in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's pretty great. Huh, it's very great. It's very great.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, what else you got on this game? Well,
Speaker 2: we could there's a lot we could talk about. Well,
Speaker 2: let's do it. Well, you know you're starting. You're starting
Speaker 2: to make me feel better about this game. I was
Speaker 2: really feeling a little salted. Well, we haven't even go ahead,
Speaker 2: got no I was feeling. But but now that breaking
Speaker 2: it down and processing it, I'm seeing some you know,
Speaker 2: there's some good things.
Speaker 4: The good news is that the offense is still working.
Speaker 4: It's a viable offense that can that is still going
Speaker 4: to be capable of scoring thirty points without Mike and Chris.
Speaker 4: It's not I miss having those guys out there. It's
Speaker 4: so much fun to watch those two guys play, but
Speaker 4: you have to move on, right They keep playing the
Speaker 4: games and to be able to find a way that's
Speaker 4: the good thing. There's I don't know if there's a
Speaker 4: whole lot else that was all that encouraging. The defense
Speaker 4: was not encouraging, frankly, although they did do it, they
Speaker 4: did it just to do something a lot better in
Speaker 4: the second half. They must have been covering better downfield
Speaker 4: because Kirk started throwing almost all short passes and we
Speaker 4: were doing a pretty good job against those. And like
Speaker 4: you said, they're only drive. They're only points of the
Speaker 4: second half are on a thirty six yard drive. So
Speaker 4: the defense definitely came around. I don't know if it
Speaker 4: came around enough for me to feel good about it.
Speaker 4: And I don't like the fact that Todd's saying it's
Speaker 4: I mean, the point is it's only five or six
Speaker 4: plays a game where they're messing something up. But if
Speaker 4: it's five or six plays a game every game and
Speaker 4: you can't overcome it, that's a problem.
Speaker 2: And is it the same five or six breakdowns? I
Speaker 2: doubt it. I doubt it.
Speaker 4: So they're talking about communication needing to be better, and
Speaker 4: that's always well. I'm not saying it's a vague issue.
Speaker 4: I know they know exactly what they're talking about in
Speaker 4: what plays where it was a problem. But for us
Speaker 4: we don't get to play by play details of where
Speaker 4: the communication broke down. But I suppose what it must
Speaker 4: be is when you start in one thing and then
Speaker 4: oh no, we need to switch. Everybody needs to get
Speaker 4: the message. And I'll give you an example of a
Speaker 4: play where it worked. There was a play where it
Speaker 4: looked for sure like Christian was going to be blitzing
Speaker 4: off of the left edge out of it. You know,
Speaker 4: he's playing slock corner, so the slot corners blitz is
Speaker 4: he in it? Looked like he was gonna blitz, and
Speaker 4: then Levante was up near the line too, kind of
Speaker 4: between two of the defensive tackles. Kirk Cousins very clearly
Speaker 4: called an audible. He was obviously an audible, and Levante
Speaker 4: jumped back and was waving his arms and was making
Speaker 4: a call which I want to ask him, but it
Speaker 4: sure looked all the world like after Kirk audibled, Levante
Speaker 4: got them out of that blitz because he knew they
Speaker 4: were gonna throw. They were going to run a play
Speaker 4: that would beat that blitz, so it probably be a
Speaker 4: quick pass. It would probably be the side Christian was
Speaker 4: coming from. They back out of the blitz, I think,
Speaker 4: and sure enough they throw a short pass over there,
Speaker 4: and who makes the tackle Christian is he's right there.
Speaker 4: They think they lost a yard on the play. If
Speaker 4: Levante hadn't got the quickly out of that call, Christian
Speaker 4: would have been blitzing. It wouldn't have been effective. He'd
Speaker 4: have taken him out of the play and that guy
Speaker 4: might run for a while. So that was a really
Speaker 4: good example of good communication. But apparently we're having five
Speaker 4: or six plays a game where we're not getting good.
Speaker 2: Enough communication, not everyone's picking up on it, and so.
Speaker 4: We're leaving these coach will sometimes say somebody needed to drop.
Speaker 4: So like, if you're playing a zone defense in the secondary,
Speaker 4: maybe this corner was supposed to drop into this zone
Speaker 4: after this happened, and he didn't, and so that's why
Speaker 4: the guy's wide open. And Kirk not being pressured a
Speaker 4: whole lot gave him time to find those So that
Speaker 4: does make it sound like that something needs to be fixed.
Speaker 4: But it's hard to feel good about it until you
Speaker 4: see some progress. And we just not have seen a
Speaker 4: lot of progress from the defense in recent weeks.
Speaker 2: And you and again after that Detroit game, you really thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is this is going to because Detroit is really
Speaker 2: really good. I think all that this week, and then
Speaker 2: when you're looking at Buccaneer wins, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the Commanders, that wasn't such an easy win, right, Right,
Speaker 2: We've beaten Washington, we beate in Detroit, we've beaten Phillis,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Philly's playing. Yeah, back to
Speaker 2: got quality wins, correct.
Speaker 4: Right, Look, you can't say anything about the Denver game.
Speaker 4: They flat out beat us.
Speaker 2: YEP, I would all of a sudden become. I didn't
Speaker 2: think they were going to be a good team. They're decent, Yes,
Speaker 2: they have a good they're winning.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so sometimes you look back and go, ah,
Speaker 4: we should be six and two. But the Denver game
Speaker 4: is a lost. You lost, and the Baltimore game you lost,
Speaker 4: you lost.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. It's the two Atlanta games. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: are painful and doublely painful because they're in your division.
Speaker 4: They can't like to I feel like, so you're four down.
Speaker 4: I just feel like we could have easily won both
Speaker 4: of those games. So those are going to sting for
Speaker 4: a while.
Speaker 2: But but if you're the Atlanta Falcons right now, you're
Speaker 2: saying that you're feeling good because you you you got
Speaker 2: those two games you desperately needed. You know that the team,
Speaker 2: the team that was that looked like it was gonna
Speaker 2: do something was us. Because Carolina, I don't think they're
Speaker 2: going to get it all together. And right now New
Speaker 2: Orleans is really they're two and six.
Speaker 4: They are getting Derek carrback probably this week. That will
Speaker 4: help them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they play they played Leah, No, they and Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Plays dllas I think New Orleans plays Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yes, they do. So, come on, man, maybe Carolina rooting
Speaker 2: for Carolina this week.
Speaker 4: You know we were talking about that. Here's here's a
Speaker 4: note that will kind of give you an idea how
Speaker 4: all the offense has been working. I remember after Liam
Speaker 4: Cohen was hired and he was asked various questions about
Speaker 4: offense and what he was going to try to accomplish,
Speaker 4: and he talked a lot about getting the run game
Speaker 4: going and having offensive balance. But we've heard that from
Speaker 4: other coordinators, including Dave Canals, who tried the same thing.
Speaker 4: He wanted to have balance and more effective rushing attack,
Speaker 4: and we finished last in the league. That's not his fault,
Speaker 4: or at least he's part of it, not the whole thing.
Speaker 2: All right, you did good. Just take your time, take
Speaker 2: your time. He's turning bright. Ride just chill out.
Speaker 4: So Liam said those things. Now, in the last three games,
Speaker 4: the Buccaneers have surpassed three hundred passing yards and one
Speaker 4: hundred rushing yards in each game. That's balance, right, at
Speaker 4: least three hundred passing yards and at least one hunderd
Speaker 4: rushing yards each of the last three games. The last
Speaker 4: team to do that four games in a row is
Speaker 4: Peyton Manning's Denver Broncos in twenty thirteen, and that was
Speaker 4: an incredible offense. So what the Bucks are doing both
Speaker 4: pass and the run is not common and it's very encouraging.
Speaker 4: And we haven't even talked about the offensive line. No,
Speaker 4: So once Luke got back, we got our five. They're
Speaker 4: all in there. The injury bug has knocking, not struck.
Speaker 2: Little salty here, Tristan worse all of a sudden getting
Speaker 2: called on penalties. I'm you're not believing that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of places you could call fou but you don't
Speaker 2: call it on seventy eight. I'm just not allowed to.
Speaker 2: You can call it on anybody else, but would you
Speaker 2: call on seventy eight? I'm like looking, going, what are
Speaker 2: you seeing?
Speaker 4: It's like you can't call Michael Jordan for traveling?
Speaker 2: There you go?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't see this one, but I agreed with
Speaker 4: you on the one that erased the Chris Godwin touchdo
Speaker 4: agains bump on replay that did not look like holding or.
Speaker 2: At least considering considering the hell Mary the Commanders had
Speaker 2: against the Bears and the guy almost took the bears
Speaker 2: jersey off. So I mean, did you see that did
Speaker 2: you see that play where the Bears defender Tyrek Stevenson.
Speaker 4: Did you see that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Where he goes? I watched the get where he's
Speaker 2: before the hell Mary, you mean where he's during the hill, Mary, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's waving to everybody's already been snapped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he had time to get over there, to
Speaker 4: get into the play. Because because they only rushed three,
Speaker 4: Jade and Daniels didn't throw that ball until almost twelve
Speaker 4: seconds after the snap, which since NFL Next Gen stat
Speaker 4: started in twenty sixteen, that's like the longest time between
Speaker 4: a snap and a.
Speaker 2: Throat holding balls. Well, they were only.
Speaker 4: Rushing three, that probably wasn't holding. Are you saying you
Speaker 4: saw hold?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did, okay in my opinion, in my humble opinion,
Speaker 2: you know my eyes. Yes, Well, and that was and
Speaker 2: that was out put another disclaimer on it. That was
Speaker 2: after watching replays.
Speaker 4: And meanwhile, Tyreek Stevenson, Bears defensive back yep, while the ball,
Speaker 4: while the ball is in play, is sandering down the field,
Speaker 4: jabbering at the fans. And then he realizes what's going
Speaker 4: on and he runs over and he's the one who
Speaker 4: actually tips the ball into the end zone.
Speaker 2: Warts caught. Yeah, it's beautiful poet called.
Speaker 4: Karma right there, and he knows that he has apologizedmates today.
Speaker 2: Not only that, but yeah, he has said in an
Speaker 2: interview that you have to play to the last play,
Speaker 2: and so there's a lesson learned. Again, it's like you're
Speaker 2: about to cross the goal line. Put the ball out
Speaker 2: there behind your back. See what happens. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Gee, we haven't even talked about the fact that that
Speaker 4: was the creamsicle game. And I heard some people grumbling
Speaker 4: afterwards and creams Yeah, the one was in two thousand
Speaker 4: and nine was five in a row.
Speaker 2: But come on, that's not the reason why. And they
Speaker 2: look good. But you do have to understand, though, there
Speaker 2: was a period of time in Tampa Bay true that
Speaker 2: people actually thought it was the uniforms. The orange was
Speaker 2: synonymous with losing all. And now in ninety seven when
Speaker 2: they switched uniforms, they went to the playoffs for the
Speaker 2: first time in years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that has any buried it
Speaker 2: or not, but that's fact. Yeah, yeah, it did look
Speaker 2: the stadium looked good. I love the helmet. You probably
Speaker 2: are digging the the music game. It was mostly seventies seventies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: little ladies. See, I wish that they would have consulted
Speaker 2: me a little bit. There's some seventies songs seventy nine.
Speaker 2: You know, you would have gone, you know, you should
Speaker 2: you know a little bit, you know former. First of all,
Speaker 2: they should have had cheap trick, you know, because Robin, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the lead singers here. You know, I want you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a that's a great song. It's a great song
Speaker 2: by Sharona. That's not damn no. But another one is
Speaker 2: by see there you go. Okay, I'm throwing songs.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: What I remember about that song Boom boom? Is that
Speaker 2: it as you remember?
Speaker 4: What I remember about it is that Casey Caseon was
Speaker 4: still doing top four then, yes, And I remember.
Speaker 2: I was we were a letter from Scott right now.
Speaker 4: We were driving. I can remember that we were driving
Speaker 4: to six Flags in Saint Louis. I can remember this vividly.
Speaker 4: And he had his little note was it's the first
Speaker 4: song with a stutter in it that's reached the top
Speaker 4: ten since blah blah.
Speaker 2: Because they.
Speaker 4: I'm like that stuck with me. I was probably what
Speaker 4: was that you said?
Speaker 2: That was seventy nine? I think so I was ten
Speaker 2: years old and I still remember that for some reason.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're making me laugh. Uh, that's very funny.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no it was Uh who was my Shrona
Speaker 2: the knack? Then? Yeah, that's a good name. They had
Speaker 2: one hit wonder Oh that was their only Yeah that's
Speaker 2: early because Anie show. So no, I'm serious, I did.
Speaker 2: And that's how you were. It's funny how you how
Speaker 2: about the clash? They could have played some of that.
Speaker 2: They did they you know what, I I just noticed
Speaker 2: that they were really playing a lot of casey you know,
Speaker 2: but that Yeah, yeah, they did play Sister Sledge, We
Speaker 2: Your Family. They played that.
Speaker 4: They played sugar Hill Game.
Speaker 2: You know what that is?
Speaker 4: Rappers Delight?
Speaker 2: Yes, you know the song I'm talking about. I can
Speaker 2: sing about it. I go ahead. I want to hear this.
Speaker 2: I want can you really hear? You? Just be hip
Speaker 2: hop hivvy to the hibby to the hip hip hop.
Speaker 4: You don't stop rocking to the Bang Bang boogie. Say up,
Speaker 4: jump the boogie to the rhythm of the Boogiety beat.
Speaker 4: Now what you hear is not a test. I'm rapping
Speaker 4: to the beat and me the groove and my friends
Speaker 4: are going to try to move.
Speaker 2: Your feet and try to move your feet. Dude.
Speaker 4: I was like, didn't that come out in like seventy
Speaker 4: nine that? So you know, of course I was listening
Speaker 4: to that that It is the song, as you memborized earlier.
Speaker 2: When that is thatded a song that stutters? Yeah, and again, so.
Speaker 4: They were also they also honored the nineteen seventy nineteen
Speaker 4: and just the Bucks fourth year of existence, not only
Speaker 4: made the playoffs, but won their first playoff game and
Speaker 4: therefore made it to the NFC Championship Game YEP, which
Speaker 4: was here yep, one game away from the Super Bowl,
Speaker 4: but lost to the Rams nine to nothing.
Speaker 2: I think, uh huh.
Speaker 4: So you know, there was guys like Jimmy Giles. I
Speaker 4: liked when they would show a couple of the guys,
Speaker 4: guys sitting I guess they're in luxury, Yeah, in the box.
Speaker 4: They showed one at one point it was Batman and
Speaker 4: Mark Cottney. Richard Richard Batman would and Mark Cottney, two
Speaker 4: of the stars of the first grade Bucks defense in
Speaker 4: the late seventies and early eighties. And it's funny because
Speaker 4: that week somebody desked Tod in the Prescotvers Todd Bulls
Speaker 4: what he thought of the throwbacks. He said, well, what
Speaker 4: it makes me think of right away is Richard Wood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's from the same to the same high school. Well, Todd,
Speaker 2: you know he said that, he said that, but I
Speaker 2: know he said that.
Speaker 4: But I looked it up and maybe they changed the
Speaker 4: name of the high school, but didn't look like it
Speaker 4: was the same high school. But they definitely are from
Speaker 4: the same hometown.
Speaker 2: How would you know it wouldn't be the same high school?
Speaker 4: Okay, if you go to don't make the Wikipedia joke. Okay, Now,
Speaker 4: if you go to the Wikipedia pages for Todd Bowles
Speaker 4: and Richard Wood, it has early early life and it
Speaker 4: says the high school that each one went to, and
Speaker 4: it's not the same name.
Speaker 2: So it's about ten years there had maybe they changed
Speaker 2: the name. Yeah, they had to be at least ten
Speaker 2: year difference, right, it was almost exactly ten years. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I'm curious now whether they did change the name,
Speaker 2: because Batman would have been let's see, if he was
Speaker 2: in the NFL, and what's seventy nine or whatever, what
Speaker 2: did he graduate from seventy two seventy three? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just figuring he went to school for four years and
Speaker 2: so yeah, interesting, it.
Speaker 4: Was more like late sixties and late seventies, Okay in
Speaker 4: any case, Yeah, so you know, coach brings up Batman.
Speaker 2: There he is.
Speaker 4: He's a he's a really nice guy.
Speaker 2: He's a great guy.
Speaker 4: I've in the contact I've had with him.
Speaker 2: He was one of the one of the first players
Speaker 2: that did cool things that he drew the Batman silver.
Speaker 2: He would tape his hands on the back of his hand. Yeap,
Speaker 2: very very he just really liked Batman, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that type of stuff was like, you know, they didn't
Speaker 2: have decals and things like that. You had to create
Speaker 2: your own stuff. You know. That was magic marker basically.
Speaker 4: Well, and then it looks do you know what else
Speaker 4: to throwback was did you see Will Golston's face mask?
Speaker 4: You got to get a look at that thing because
Speaker 4: they were showing him on the during warm ups and
Speaker 4: then he was up there on the board. I'm like,
Speaker 4: what in the world it looked like bane he did
Speaker 4: it just for this game. Well, you know, it's a
Speaker 4: different helmet. I don't remember him wearing that face mask before.
Speaker 2: It had like five bars.
Speaker 4: And the vertical bars and it was like really tall
Speaker 4: the bars were it looked like I said, first off,
Speaker 4: I'm like, that looks like a Hannibal Lecter, and then
Speaker 4: somebody else, a younger person, because Hannibal Lecter is Silence.
Speaker 2: Of the Lamps, which is like the early nineties, right.
Speaker 4: Said it reminded him of Bane, which was the villain
Speaker 4: in one of those one or more of those Batman movies.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Both of them had face masks that involved a grill
Speaker 4: of your mouth.
Speaker 2: So that was pretty crazy. Yeah, they did it. They
Speaker 2: did a really nice job with all of the orange
Speaker 2: and all of the the songs and everything and fun
Speaker 2: and the players enjoyed it. And you know, big props
Speaker 2: to Baker Mayfield walking in Yeah, cream sickle, Chris Godwin,
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 4: Of guess you see, Oh Godwin, did you see the
Speaker 4: Kate Aten pre game picture?
Speaker 2: You know who did that? His wife? She dressed him.
Speaker 2: She she dressed him and had him, uh squared away.
Speaker 2: I was seeing if what are you looking for?
Speaker 4: What I want to know is, what's the name of
Speaker 4: that font that everybody uses to make it look like
Speaker 4: seventies kind of a bubbly looking.
Speaker 2: What's the name of it? What's the name? Just just
Speaker 2: open the door. I don't think she's right, Well, don't
Speaker 2: just open the door and there's there's there's Dan.
Speaker 4: Hey, Steve, what what's the name of the font that
Speaker 4: we were using for all the seventies stuff?
Speaker 2: H Gooper Goober with a P G O P Gooper.
Speaker 4: All right, thank you our podcast audiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Well, that's that's very fast information. Cooper
Speaker 2: Cooper with a G Gooper, like like a mini Cooper.
Speaker 2: Yeah with the Cooper yeah Gooper goop. Wow.
Speaker 4: I wondered that during the game, but there was no.
Speaker 4: We're right right outside Jeff's door, which is where we're
Speaker 4: in his office to record.
Speaker 2: Are all the graphic designers right? So obviously they because
Speaker 2: we're too lazy to walk downstairs to the new studios.
Speaker 2: Who needs it? Don't tell if we're not on camera.
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, that's the next step they want to do,
Speaker 2: but that may wait till next year.
Speaker 4: As several of our listeners have reminded me. The next
Speaker 4: step is merchandise.
Speaker 2: Oh but there's that too, right, we should just you
Speaker 2: and I get like ten of ten. Yeah, make a profit.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make a profit. Yes, so uh
Speaker 2: it was really good too, uh, and I think the
Speaker 2: fans got into it and it's fun. And you know,
Speaker 2: of course, you know, people are bum because it is
Speaker 2: you know, it was a loss, but you know you
Speaker 2: gotta kind of take it in the spirit of you know,
Speaker 2: you go to the game. It's another entertainment value that's there.
Speaker 2: Throwback thing. Yeah, you know, and it doesn't happen all
Speaker 2: the time, and that's I think that's what makes it special.
Speaker 2: You know, people go they should wear it more often. Well,
Speaker 2: if you wear more often, then you know, it loses.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that is a cool look. And and
Speaker 2: I like the national media jumping on it and saying
Speaker 2: a couple I saw a couple of things like who
Speaker 2: has the coolest throwback uniforms? And they were using us
Speaker 2: sitting there and I kind of go, yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that also over the years they've done, they've
Speaker 4: developed and done a better job of all the surrounding merchandise.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of cool looking yeah throwback stream yeah
Speaker 4: merchandise these days, not just you know, one pole here
Speaker 4: or T shirt there. There's a lot of really cool
Speaker 4: looking stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I I wasn't feeling it this year. I did.
Speaker 2: I did wear one of my UH logo athletic Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw that jackets which fit very nicely, and it
Speaker 2: was what I liked about it was being down in
Speaker 2: the locker room the players like, oh that is that's
Speaker 2: the real deal. That is so you know, they're always Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're in that's yeah. Yeah, I've got all the all
Speaker 2: the really cool stuff the companies that're not in business anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wore I wore my polo from the early nineties.
Speaker 2: It's orange. It's it's a weird looking orange.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's a very weird. But it has my uh name
Speaker 2: is my name embroidered into it. I swear to I
Speaker 2: maybe next year I'm going to wear by what are
Speaker 2: they Zoomba Pansubas. I'm gonna wear I've got I've got
Speaker 2: a brand new pair in package you've never opened, never opened.
Speaker 2: I am going to why didn't you do it this year?
Speaker 2: I think you said the same thing. I know, but
Speaker 2: you got to be inspired to do it. But I'm
Speaker 2: going to top it off with I'm gonna wear that.
Speaker 2: Plus I'm gonna wear my bathrobe that has your Bucks bathrobe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my Buck's bathrobe that has your name on it, and
Speaker 2: throw it's Bucko Bruce. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I ever had that one.
Speaker 2: I don't have any idea where it is. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: white terry cloth as a matter of fact. So next
Speaker 2: up is the Kansas City Chiefs. Kansas City, Kansas City,
Speaker 2: here we.
Speaker 4: Come, and they are the last undefeated team in the league.
Speaker 2: Do you remember any games where we beat a seven
Speaker 2: and o team? Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I remember we beat like, was that the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2: I didn't they go like fifteen and one that year.
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety eight. Okay, they were seven and oh we
Speaker 4: were three and four. We beat them twenty seven to
Speaker 4: twenty four. And that was the only regular season game
Speaker 4: they lost. That was an interesting season. In their kicker,
Speaker 4: I think it was Gary Anderson. It was Gary, not
Speaker 4: Morton Anderson, right, I think I think it was Gary
Speaker 4: Anderson didn't miss a kick the entire regular season, which
Speaker 4: was a bigger deal.
Speaker 2: In ninety eight.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't surprise me if a guy did that this year.
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2: That was when that was where I missed in uh.
Speaker 4: In the NFC Championship game against Atlanta, he miss missed
Speaker 4: right the indoors. I think would have been a clinching
Speaker 4: field and so he missed. That was his first miss
Speaker 4: of the whole season. And it wasn't even that long,
Speaker 4: so it can happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, Was that the year the Atlanta Falcons went to
Speaker 2: they went to the Super Bowl? Yeah? They we was
Speaker 2: in Miami. I was there the charge. I was against
Speaker 2: the Chargers. Now I think it was Denver? Was it
Speaker 2: ninety eight?
Speaker 4: I was working up in the in the video in
Speaker 4: the booth control on the boards with Rick Odioso, and
Speaker 4: we we have a bunch of prepared notes that we
Speaker 4: would put up to like, sure, that's the first three
Speaker 4: SAT game in the Super Bowl stuff.
Speaker 2: Right right, right right, you had it all researched out,
Speaker 2: ready to go, which is which is good? That's good stuff. Oops.
Speaker 2: You're looking to see who was there that year? I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure it was Denver? Are you looking at Well?
Speaker 4: I think it was the second of the two Super
Speaker 4: Bowls that John Elway won at the very end of
Speaker 4: his nineteen ninety eight postseason.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I thought that, Well maybe because the first
Speaker 2: one was in thirty four to nineteen. Okay, the first
Speaker 2: one was yeah, okay, but I know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, they beat the Packers at the end of
Speaker 4: the ninety seven season. That was John Elway was there first. Yes,
Speaker 4: San Diego. That was Generalway's first.
Speaker 2: Super Bowl super Bowl. This one for Johnny, this one's
Speaker 2: for Joe's That what they said, Yeah, that's what the
Speaker 2: owner said. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, So anyway, why why were we talking about that?
Speaker 2: We were talking because, uh Gary Anderson mystic field.
Speaker 4: Okay, So it also happened in two thousand in Minnesota
Speaker 4: came here and they were seven and zero. We were
Speaker 4: three and four again because we'd lost four games in
Speaker 4: a row after winning the first three, and we beat
Speaker 4: the crap out of them that game, forty one to thirteen.
Speaker 4: Those are the two times that's happened. So we're trying
Speaker 4: to go to Kansas City and beat a seven and
Speaker 4: o team. We've done that twice in team history. We've
Speaker 4: had three other opportunities to beat a team that were
Speaker 4: nine to zero, but we did not win any of those, right,
Speaker 4: and we have beaten two four to oh teams, most
Speaker 4: recently the Packers in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a it's a tall tesk.
Speaker 4: But in two thousand, after you know, we're three and
Speaker 4: four and then we beat the breaks off the Vikings
Speaker 4: and then after that we won seven of our last
Speaker 4: nine games, So maybe we can get the same sort
Speaker 4: of boost.
Speaker 2: If we can get this, that would be can we
Speaker 2: can we beat the streak? Also of Taylor Swift, she
Speaker 2: has not lost since she's gone there, or anytime she
Speaker 2: goes to Arrowhead stage. She hasn't witnessed a defeat, witnessed
Speaker 2: a defeat.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Taylor Swift, her bow, Travis Kelcey her bow.
Speaker 4: All of last year it was this hole, is Travis
Speaker 4: Kelcey finally washed up because he didn't have the big numbers.
Speaker 4: He didn't he didn't get to a thousand yards for
Speaker 4: the first time in like eight years. He only averaged
Speaker 4: like ten point eight yards per catch, which is not
Speaker 4: terrible for a tight end, but was his career low.
Speaker 4: And then in the playoffs he went nuts. It was
Speaker 4: like there was a Travis Kelcey of old and he
Speaker 4: had like thirty two catches. Sure this year he started
Speaker 4: out only had eight catches in his first three games,
Speaker 4: and again the whole same thing, like whispers like his
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey, he's thirty five now, he just turned thirty five,
Speaker 4: like last month, earlier this month, and but look at
Speaker 4: this past week ten catches, I think ten catches for
Speaker 4: nine yards and a.
Speaker 2: Touch on something like that. Was it was interesting. Kate
Speaker 2: Oten was talking about him and Caid was saying, as
Speaker 2: a person, he's very black and white in techniques and
Speaker 2: things like that. And when he watches Travis, he goes
Speaker 2: he does all these things that you can't do that,
Speaker 2: that's not you're not allowed, you're not supposed to do that,
Speaker 2: and he makes all these great catches and everything. And
Speaker 2: I could see that both Cad and Cam were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: can you believe he does that because there's like a
Speaker 2: rule book or something.
Speaker 4: I could see that frustrating kid because he's absolutely by
Speaker 4: the book.
Speaker 2: Oh and that's what the coaches love him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he knows exactly where he's supposed to do on
Speaker 4: every play and he does it.
Speaker 2: And so it just makes you laugh that, hey, there's
Speaker 2: two ways to get it done, as long as you
Speaker 2: get it done.
Speaker 4: Right, and everybody has the innate talents.
Speaker 2: Though it's a get it done business. Also, we didn't
Speaker 2: mention Gronk was at the game. Okay, no, he was
Speaker 2: at the Baltimore A game. That's probably why we did
Speaker 2: That's why we didn't mention. I was just thinking of that.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Giles was the crew guy. Tight end, tight end,
Speaker 2: tight end, it's a theme right now. Well it was
Speaker 2: tight end Sunday.
Speaker 4: So Travis kelcey part of it is because early in
Speaker 4: the year she Rice, their second year receiver, had become
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes go to guy for all the underneath stuff
Speaker 4: and the quick hitters that you want yak on and
Speaker 4: finding the holes in zones. That's long been a Travis
Speaker 4: kelce thing. Uh And you know Travis Kelsey is like
Speaker 4: a safety blanket for Mahomes. Well, Rashi Rice got hurt
Speaker 4: and is out I think for the year, and so
Speaker 4: now there's Mahomes thrown to Kelsey in all those situations.
Speaker 2: Are they scoring a lot of points? No, they're not.
Speaker 2: Their offense is not. I don't want to, I don't
Speaker 2: from my just quick look at them. Defensively, they do
Speaker 2: really really well. They're not great against the run defensively, no,
Speaker 2: they are. They are great against them. They're good just
Speaker 2: all around. Okay, defensively, so that's keeping him in games.
Speaker 2: You have Patrick Mahomes, So there's the difference maker there.
Speaker 2: But they haven't been the explosive offense that they have
Speaker 2: in the past.
Speaker 4: Mahomes only has he has eight touchdown passes and nine interceptions. Really,
Speaker 4: that doesn't sound very Mahomes the end doesn't know.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of it. You can crack it
Speaker 2: up to.
Speaker 4: They tried, like last year, they didn't have good answers
Speaker 4: at wide receiver, but they still won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Right this year, it seemed like they didn't want to
Speaker 4: be in that situation again, so they drafted Xavier Worthy
Speaker 4: in the first round speedstra out of Texas at a
Speaker 4: record at the common for forty yard dash, and then
Speaker 4: they signed former Cardinal and Raven Marquise Hollywood Brown. Well,
Speaker 4: Hollywood Brown got hurt on the very first play of
Speaker 4: the first preseason game and.
Speaker 2: Is out for the year. Uh, the savior Worthy is there,
Speaker 2: but he's you know, he's he's a rookie.
Speaker 4: He's he's he's very very fast, but I think he's
Speaker 4: having some trouble with physical cornerback player.
Speaker 2: So he does He's not giving you a ton, He's
Speaker 2: giving you some big plays.
Speaker 4: He's great on end rounds. Then they resigned Juju Smith
Speaker 4: Schuster in August after he's cut by the Patriots of
Speaker 4: Ball teams, but he's kind of a one trick poney,
Speaker 4: straight line speed guy. Kelsey was slow out of the gates.
Speaker 4: So again they're back in this situation where like who's
Speaker 4: who's Mahome's throwing to. But they traded for Deandrew Hopkins
Speaker 4: last week, so that should help, right, So they're trying
Speaker 4: to piece it all together. Losing Rashid Rice was big
Speaker 4: for them, and uh, the run game has been not
Speaker 4: great on a per down basis. Their defense, just to
Speaker 4: let you know, is fifth overall, second against the runow
Speaker 4: seventeenth against the past. Okay, and then scoring wise, they're
Speaker 4: allowing the fifth fewest points in the league at seventeen
Speaker 4: point six compared to the Bucks, who are allowing twenty
Speaker 4: six point six. We're allowing nine more points per game
Speaker 4: than they are. That's a concern. That's a very big concern, right,
Speaker 4: But our offenses has succeeded against just about everybody this year.
Speaker 2: So well, it's a test and a half, no question,
Speaker 2: weather wise, And if you're just curious about that type
Speaker 2: of thing, which I am, because I like to know
Speaker 2: what I'm getting into right now for Monday, This Monday
Speaker 2: Monday high of seventy one, which is nice. It's a
Speaker 2: night game though, low of fifty seven, so we're talking
Speaker 2: high fifties, seventy seven percent chance of rate, right, And
Speaker 2: you know as well as I do. In the Midwest,
Speaker 2: when the rain rolls in it just stayed. In Florida,
Speaker 2: it could be raining in ten minutes later. It's not
Speaker 2: raining anymore there. When it come, when it rained, it's raining.
Speaker 2: And it may not be really torrential, but it can be.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's steady. Yeah.
Speaker 4: In Saint Louis, if you if it was raining at
Speaker 4: your house, you knew it was raining.
Speaker 2: At your budd's house, yes, yeah, yeah, here.
Speaker 4: That was an adjustment coming here, going uh, you know,
Speaker 4: and maybe I got a softball game five miles away, right,
Speaker 4: and it's poor in here. I'm like, oh, we're gonna
Speaker 4: get rained out, and we don't get rained out because
Speaker 4: it didn't rain there at all.
Speaker 2: Right, now, see this, this this is not good. This
Speaker 2: is not good. They're looking at it. Winds are going
Speaker 2: to be ten to twenty miles an hour. Rainfall may
Speaker 2: reach nearly one inch, so it's going to be a mutter.
Speaker 2: I don't want. I don't want that. Unfortunately, on Sunday
Speaker 2: when we fly in eight chance of range uh and
Speaker 2: potential for heavy rain. So I guess if you just
Speaker 2: say rain, it's steady. When they say heavy rain, that's
Speaker 2: when you know you're getting so uh it's in fact
Speaker 2: it's raining all weekend in Kansas City.
Speaker 4: Well maybe they'll all be depressed and they won't play.
Speaker 2: With it's cloudy there all the time, doesn't matter. I
Speaker 2: like that city. That's a good are you Are you
Speaker 2: planning on anything special in Kansas City?
Speaker 4: We'll see if Pat's available. That's Patrick Brazil. I used
Speaker 4: to work here and it has been for a while.
Speaker 2: Their top football director of video. There three super Bowl rings.
Speaker 2: It's doing well. Yeah, and he he helps run the
Speaker 2: combine now yeah, like Dave Dad Yeah yeah, Pat's good guy.
Speaker 2: Barbecue Yeah, that's I like.
Speaker 4: I like Kansas City barbecue. Yeah, get some burnt ins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see look at you. Yeah, high pro file. I
Speaker 2: can't think of the names of the big places. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of them. I'm thinking there's there's a lot
Speaker 2: of there's a lot of big name places that you
Speaker 2: always see, like when you know, when they do the
Speaker 2: features on the Kansas City coaches and stuff of that. Nature.
Speaker 2: But I also think I want to say Mahomes opened
Speaker 2: up a.
Speaker 4: Restaurant really, yeah, a barbecue place.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was barbecue or not. I
Speaker 2: want to say that they did open up a place, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll be uh so it'll be a mutter game. It
Speaker 2: looks like I don't know if that bows well for
Speaker 2: us or not.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I don't know either. Is cant say barbecue
Speaker 4: your favorite type of barbecue? You know what I think
Speaker 4: is isn't even close.
Speaker 2: I like them fits barbecue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care for Carolina barbecue.
Speaker 2: I don't like the yellow sauce, yeah, or the white sauce. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Gates, that's one of the famous places I've eaten at Gates.
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, last time we were there, wherever we went
Speaker 2: to eat, they had a barbecue platter and I went, yeah,
Speaker 2: that sounds good. I thought, I I thought I had.
Speaker 2: I ended up in a meat comatose. I'm not eating.
Speaker 2: I ate a year's worth of meat that night. Have
Speaker 2: you ever been to a Brazilian steakhouse? No, because I
Speaker 2: know I'm not. Yes, it's a bad idea, Yeah, just
Speaker 2: for me, it is. I've never been to one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of beat. I don't eat
Speaker 2: a lot of red meat, so I mean, I love
Speaker 2: I enjoy it when I do. It's more of a
Speaker 2: treat for me, trying to keep my yes, doing the
Speaker 2: best I can. But I also like the fish, so
Speaker 2: that's hard. That's a famous one too, right, Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: all tons of famous ones.
Speaker 4: Gates is the one I was trying to think of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that'll be that'll be fun. I'm sad that
Speaker 2: it's it's going to rain because I like to when
Speaker 2: we have night games during the day, I like to
Speaker 2: go walk around on the city, just kind of you know,
Speaker 2: well we're killing time, right, get out of the hotel,
Speaker 2: walk around. Maybe you'll get lucky. Yeah, maybe it'll pass
Speaker 2: through you mean, yeah, not holding my breath. Usually, maybe
Speaker 2: there'll be a couple hours where you can sneak in
Speaker 2: and sneak out. It'd be worth it. What else do
Speaker 2: you want? Not in? Really? Do you want to get
Speaker 2: to questions?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I want to get the Zion.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's right, let's do the Zion part. I
Speaker 4: forgot all about Zion.
Speaker 2: Sorry Zion. The Salty Dogs.
Speaker 4: And We're back here on the Salty Dogs Podcast for
Speaker 4: our favorite part of the show, it's when we have
Speaker 4: a special guest, and today that guest is cornerback Zion McCollum.
Speaker 1: Thanks for your time to day and Zion, of course,
Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 2: Happy to be here, I hope, He says that after
Speaker 2: this interview's over with, So to me, it kind of
Speaker 2: seemed like that from the day one this season, you
Speaker 2: jumped into this full time starting job, and it just
Speaker 2: seems like you've had total confidence from day one.
Speaker 1: Is that accurate? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: I knew the step that I had to take and
Speaker 5: the shoes that I had to fill, and I was
Speaker 5: pumped for and I trained all off season for it,
Speaker 5: and I was mentally prepared, and so first game happened
Speaker 5: and I was ready to go for.
Speaker 4: You were ten passes defense, It's type for third in
Speaker 4: the league. A couple of interceptions leads the team. So
Speaker 4: it seems like, in addition to being confident, it's going
Speaker 4: well for you.
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say I'm starting to find some success. You know,
Speaker 5: of course, I've always looking to improve. I'm always looking
Speaker 5: to put my best foot forward and continue to be
Speaker 5: the best person that I can be. But you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not satisfied, but I'm allowing myself to be comfortable
Speaker 5: with how I'm playing and continue to look for improvement.
Speaker 2: What attribute do you make to improving as much as
Speaker 2: you had? What have you done to get there?
Speaker 5: I think just mentally, the approach that I've taken to
Speaker 5: the game and understanding my athleticism and how it matches
Speaker 5: up with the rest of the league. And the more
Speaker 5: I understand that and what I can get away with,
Speaker 5: things that I can do to take advantage of some
Speaker 5: of the athleticism I have, It's making me turn into
Speaker 5: the type of player that I myself.
Speaker 2: Are you Are you thinking as much on the field
Speaker 2: or you're reacting?
Speaker 1: Definitely more reacting.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I tried to do all my thinking during the week,
Speaker 5: so I'm watching a ton of film, I'm talking with
Speaker 5: teammates and stuff and getting all my thinking out of
Speaker 5: the way so that on game day I don't have
Speaker 5: to do any of that.
Speaker 1: I can just react and go off of my muscle memory.
Speaker 4: That play against I think it was against Baltimore, right
Speaker 4: the fumble recovery. So were you just along for the
Speaker 4: ride or what were you doing in the middle of
Speaker 4: that pack? Because it was like a thirty yard push
Speaker 4: to the end zone.
Speaker 5: The only thing that was going through my mind was legs,
Speaker 5: keep pumping, legs, keepump me. And I was looking down
Speaker 5: at the lines and I'm seeing like twenty fifteen to ten.
Speaker 5: I start to see the pain of the end zone
Speaker 5: and I'm like, there's nothing that's going to stop me
Speaker 5: from getting into the en zone.
Speaker 1: I know a couple of teammates helped push.
Speaker 2: Me a lot. Yeah, it was definitely like they had
Speaker 2: they not pushed, you were going to get there.
Speaker 1: Oh I was gonna get there.
Speaker 2: But that's your story.
Speaker 4: You speaking of plays that didn't that were amazing but
Speaker 4: didn't eventually account And I'm not going to ask you
Speaker 4: your opinion on the call because I don't want to
Speaker 4: get you fined by the league. But the Antoine winfield play,
Speaker 4: he did it again. What was the reaction like on
Speaker 4: the sideline when that play was not overturned?
Speaker 1: It was unfortunate for sure.
Speaker 5: I mean, we have to have short term memory, so
Speaker 5: you know, I always got to look and just be like,
Speaker 5: live in the moment, get to the next play. But Antoine,
Speaker 5: he makes plays like that all and it's it's wild
Speaker 5: that it almost happened again compared to everything that happened
Speaker 5: last year in Carolina and so, but that's just the
Speaker 5: player is. He never gives up on the play, and
Speaker 5: it didn't go that way. But you know, if you
Speaker 5: keep making an effort like that, you know he's going
Speaker 5: to have more calls go as.
Speaker 2: Well than not. I don't know if you can answer
Speaker 2: this question or not. You know, we hear coach talk
Speaker 2: about communications how much you know, you know, people go, well,
Speaker 2: what do you mean if I say, Scott, don't do
Speaker 2: that anymore? Or whatever? That's what we think of communication.
Speaker 2: What is communicating when you're in the middle of a game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say it's just making sure everybody's on the
Speaker 5: same page, because you know, we speak about things and
Speaker 5: how we want to handle stuff during the week and
Speaker 5: Coach Bills does a really good job of putting us
Speaker 5: in all these different situations that we'll get in the game,
Speaker 5: and you know, having a plan and then when you
Speaker 5: get out there into the field and the heat of battle,
Speaker 5: you have to be able to execute that plan. And
Speaker 5: it's very unique and very detailed. But if everybody's on
Speaker 5: the same page and we have that chemistry working together
Speaker 5: and we're talking, then we kind of know how we're
Speaker 5: going to fit every particular play.
Speaker 2: And you're doing this in a very short span of time.
Speaker 2: It's not like you have really a lot of time
Speaker 2: to talk about it, and you have eleven people trying
Speaker 2: to get it done. So what is your thoughts right now?
Speaker 2: Is it just we're almost there? Coach said five or
Speaker 2: six place? That seems to be the difference. Do you
Speaker 2: feel the same way?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent? I feel the same way.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it comes down to just focus,
Speaker 5: and you know, we do have a lot of young
Speaker 5: guys that are in there.
Speaker 2: And it's a speaking from an old time at that Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's you know, play calls in the game
Speaker 5: plan is going to change week to week, and so
Speaker 5: we have to be able to take in information, erase
Speaker 5: what happened previously, and focus only on what's in front
Speaker 5: of us. And lack of confusion has to be handled
Speaker 5: in the meeting rooms, and we have to ask more
Speaker 5: questions as players, and you know, we have to reach
Speaker 5: out to our coaches more when.
Speaker 1: We are feeling like things are confusing.
Speaker 5: But I mean it's just five to six plays, you know,
Speaker 5: it's not a lot and so if we can just
Speaker 5: focus for four quarters completely strong and talk to each
Speaker 5: other in and out of every place.
Speaker 2: Have you watched film on the last game already? Yes?
Speaker 2: And did you just shake your head one.
Speaker 5: Because I mean it's just things that we see in
Speaker 5: the film room, you know, and you go out there
Speaker 5: and they don't have enough happen in your way.
Speaker 1: And you know, I know a lot of guys and.
Speaker 5: You know, including myself for a couple of players is
Speaker 5: out there like come on, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Next up is the Chiefs And maybe it's not the
Speaker 4: most dynamic offense that they've had since Patrick Mahomes is there,
Speaker 4: but still Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey. And so what's
Speaker 4: the big challenge facing the Chiefs offense?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they just know how to win. I mean, they
Speaker 5: can play in any type of way, you know. I
Speaker 5: think they have really good chemistry on the offensive side
Speaker 5: of the ball. They has been playing with a lot
Speaker 5: of those guys for for a while, and some of
Speaker 5: those receivers are doing a good job of stepping up
Speaker 5: in that scheme. But I think they're just so multiple
Speaker 5: and they can do so many different things. They're not
Speaker 5: too focused on necessarily, you know, putting forty points up
Speaker 5: a game. I think they're so focused to just being
Speaker 5: the team across with them by one point and moving on.
Speaker 2: And yeah, what do you know about Arrowhead?
Speaker 1: Uh? Well, my co Kevin ROSSI yeah, Jersey retired there.
Speaker 5: He played there for a long time and he's always
Speaker 5: told us it's the most electric home field advantage in
Speaker 5: the NFL. And you know, I've heard we went to
Speaker 5: Lombardi ear Ta Green Bay year and that was a
Speaker 5: cool experience in old school stadium and I saw, I'm
Speaker 5: excited to see what Arrowhead is about.
Speaker 2: See. I like that the players get excited as much
Speaker 2: as we do when we go to the Scott you know,
Speaker 2: Scott got his start in Kansas City with the Chiefs
Speaker 2: last one.
Speaker 4: Because I know you got some other things to get to,
Speaker 4: but how exciting was it for your family that you
Speaker 4: and your brother got to play in a game against
Speaker 4: each other earlier this season?
Speaker 5: Oh, that's like everything, It's a dream, Like our mom
Speaker 5: is gonna cherish that moment for the rest of your life.
Speaker 5: And all the family that was able to make it down,
Speaker 5: you know, and just seeing their faces light up after
Speaker 5: the game when we're all together and what we just experienced.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a special family.
Speaker 2: It's pretty rare. Well, thank you for your time.
Speaker 4: I know you've got other things to do, but we
Speaker 4: appreciate you stopping mine, of.
Speaker 1: Course, no problem.
Speaker 2: Thanks the Salty Dogs.
Speaker 4: And we're back here on the Salty Dogs Podcast. I'm
Speaker 4: still Scott, I am still Jeff and Zion, thank you
Speaker 4: for Yeah. Good stuff from Zion, yep, very very quality guy.
Speaker 2: What you know. I like when I like when he
Speaker 2: says helping the young guys, yeah, it's not great. Seriously.
Speaker 4: I like his answer where he's you were asking him
Speaker 4: how he's become confident, and he's like he's kind of
Speaker 4: realized how his athletics I'm compared to most players.
Speaker 2: How he can use that to his advantage.
Speaker 4: And now he is because when we drafted him, that
Speaker 4: was the story. The guy was off the charts, measurables
Speaker 4: in terms of athletics, the best athletics score ever combined athletics,
Speaker 4: whatever they do, index thing for a cornerback at the combine.
Speaker 2: Do you think he like all of a sudden realized like,
Speaker 2: holy smokes, I am fast.
Speaker 4: No, I think he realized that early on just being
Speaker 4: fast wasn't good enough but now that he knows what
Speaker 4: he's doing and that speed and the size and the
Speaker 4: jumping ability like on the interception in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: And it's good to hear that. All the work's done
Speaker 2: during the week, so all he has to do is
Speaker 2: react to what he sees. Good stuff.
Speaker 4: So now we have questions from fans. Okay, first one
Speaker 4: is Mike in Connecticut. All right, he says, Hey, dogs,
Speaker 4: is it just me or is it a little salty
Speaker 4: in here? I feel like I've been at the beach
Speaker 4: for a week after the last two games. Oh salty,
Speaker 4: I'll be honest. I'm just writing to complain this week good.
Speaker 4: I clicked on the app last night and the postgame
Speaker 4: report headline was turnovers stop the Bucks.
Speaker 2: I wrote, do you write the headlines? I do, Scott?
Speaker 2: What are you being so salty for?
Speaker 4: You know that's not the problem here for Mike, Scott.
Speaker 4: I know you do this for a living and are
Speaker 4: very good at your job.
Speaker 2: Right there. That's the I really like you but coming But.
Speaker 4: But I think a more accurate headline would be defense
Speaker 4: stops the bucks. Okay, I'm gonna stop right here because
Speaker 4: there's a lot to go in this email. But this
Speaker 4: is this is not a fair criticism, And not that
Speaker 4: I mind getting criticism, as we said, write in with
Speaker 4: whatever you want, but I do not agree that this
Speaker 4: is fair criticism because he didn't read the full title.
Speaker 2: Let me read you the full title, full title, full disclosure,
Speaker 2: full title, if I can find it. You don't know
Speaker 2: it off the top of your head.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I do, but I want to make sure.
Speaker 4: He said the title is turnovers stopped the Bucks. The
Speaker 4: title is turnovers stop Bucks from keeping pace in shutout
Speaker 4: lost to Falcons. That's absolutely correct. That are It was
Speaker 4: a shootout and the defense couldn't stop them enough, so
Speaker 4: we as an offense had to keep pace, and they
Speaker 4: moved the ball four under twenty three yards, but didn't
Speaker 4: only score twenty six points to their thirty one because
Speaker 4: of the lost opportunities by the field goals. The defense
Speaker 4: did not get the job done. One hundred percent true.
Speaker 4: So the Bucks had to had to win in a shootout,
Speaker 4: and they moved the ball effectively enough, but the turnovers
Speaker 4: stopped them from keeping pace in the shutout in the shootout,
Speaker 4: So I think that's a perfectly accurate headline that's there,
Speaker 4: So that doesn't change the fact that that it isn't
Speaker 4: trying to say the defense was good.
Speaker 2: So no, you know what, Mike, I don't agree. If
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 4: A rebuttal right in next week, we are permitted. I
Speaker 4: do not agree with your criticism on this one.
Speaker 2: We are permitted to agree to disagree. He says.
Speaker 4: We all know you usually won't win games if you
Speaker 4: don't when the turnover battle. I think the first drive
Speaker 4: fumble was just careless and the picks were definitely bad
Speaker 4: throws being forced in a tight spot. But I can't
Speaker 4: help but think if they aren't playing from behind, the
Speaker 4: picks aren't.
Speaker 2: Going to happen.
Speaker 4: The run game, well, we wouldn't have been playing from behind.
Speaker 4: We would have probably scored on the first drive, but
Speaker 4: we had a turnover.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Run game is improved, but it's impossible to run and
Speaker 4: grind when you're playing when you're playing from behind. And
Speaker 4: this is something a conversation was having with somebody, Uh
Speaker 4: maybe it was you, about how we didn't run much
Speaker 4: in the second half.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what does it matter? They still moved the ball.
Speaker 2: It was me because I made a comment to you.
Speaker 2: I said I felt like we got away from the
Speaker 2: run and you looked at me and you said, Dan,
Speaker 2: we were three hundred yards in the air. What are
Speaker 2: you complaining about it? And I stopped for Zaan and
Speaker 2: I went, you know when you say that way, it
Speaker 2: was working.
Speaker 4: So you were making to move the ball running and
Speaker 4: we moved the way passing and as long as would
Speaker 4: you get when you get mad at a team for
Speaker 4: a quote unquote unbattening the run for half, right, it's
Speaker 4: when the offense doesn't work at all, right, or not
Speaker 4: very well? You stopped running the ball, yeah, but we
Speaker 4: were moving the ball. I mean, we got some runs
Speaker 4: in there, but we also had some nice passes in there.
Speaker 4: And then of course towards the end, and this is
Speaker 4: kind of what he's sure. You had to throw the ball.
Speaker 4: But the two interceptions didn't happen in because we were
Speaker 4: because Baker was wildly throwing it around, because we were
Speaker 4: down by three touchdowns. So you know, we were right
Speaker 4: in the game when both of those happened. We could
Speaker 4: have run or passed at those points. I mean, one
Speaker 4: of them was on the flee flicker. It was a
Speaker 4: trick play call.
Speaker 2: No more flee flickers for you.
Speaker 4: The defense has allowed two hundred and thirteen points this year,
Speaker 4: which is almost two thirds of the way to all
Speaker 4: of last year's regular season total. I know you'll tell
Speaker 4: me why I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not, but the middle of the field looked wide
Speaker 4: open all day long against Denver, Baltimore and both the
Speaker 4: Landing games.
Speaker 2: I agree, we said that constantly.
Speaker 4: I mean, how do you lose a guy as big
Speaker 4: as Kyle Pitts twice yesterday. Defense has always been a strength,
Speaker 4: and especially now with fifty percent of your offense out
Speaker 4: for a while, they need to lock it to help
Speaker 4: win some games. If the offense wants to be balanced
Speaker 4: and grind out some clock, then the defense needs to
Speaker 4: keep them on the field. It's going to be hard
Speaker 4: to win if you have to put up at least
Speaker 4: thirty points every week just to stay ahead. Okay, that's
Speaker 4: all my bitching for now. I will say I'm really
Speaker 4: excited about this newfound rushing attack. It'd be great to
Speaker 4: watch them grind out a lead. Parentheses, Scott, I know
Speaker 4: I've used grind three times an email, so I'm sure
Speaker 4: your grammar and ten are twitching, but I don't know
Speaker 4: what else to call it. My whole family has jumped
Speaker 4: on the Bucky Irving train, so is oliverymand James Stadium.
Speaker 4: That way, he might be the steal of the whole draft.
Speaker 4: I really hope they can come into air Awhead and
Speaker 4: make a mess of the Chiefs undefeated season. This week's
Speaker 4: thanks for letting me vent Mike in Connecticut.
Speaker 2: You're welcoming a week.
Speaker 4: It's one of the things that you like call and invent.
Speaker 4: And I don't I mean write in I don't disagree
Speaker 4: with the bulk of this email and the fact that
Speaker 4: the defense is a problem. It would be ridiculous to
Speaker 4: say otherwise. All I'm arguing is the title made sense,
Speaker 4: and just because the defense has been problem doesn't mean
Speaker 4: you have to make every title Bucks lose because defense
Speaker 4: had trouble.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: My thought on the game was the defense couldn't keep
Speaker 4: us out of a shootout, so we had to hold
Speaker 4: our own in the shootout, and the reason we were
Speaker 4: unable to despite moving the ball is because we turned
Speaker 4: the ball over yep, and they got a couple of
Speaker 4: short field touchdowns because of it.
Speaker 2: I think that was a really good debate, right.
Speaker 4: It's hard for hard for micing a debate when he
Speaker 4: can't answer back.
Speaker 2: I mean, he can't. But you know, you're taking what
Speaker 2: he is saying and you're responding to.
Speaker 4: But I don't mind criticism. I learned that the hard
Speaker 4: way in my career.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just well, early on, I wasn't really good
Speaker 4: at taking criticism until it took me some years to
Speaker 4: realize that these people are trying.
Speaker 2: To help you.
Speaker 4: Oh if they see if they see a type of
Speaker 4: in your story, yeah, or a factual err or something,
Speaker 4: and they tell you there's no reason to get mad.
Speaker 4: It's not their fault. They're trying to help you point
Speaker 4: it out so you can fix it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 4: It's not it's not coming from a bad place. It's
Speaker 4: coming from a good place.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I think isn't that kind of what youth does?
Speaker 2: You kind of have to learn that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was a bit of a hothead back then.
Speaker 4: All Right, this is from Colton. You recall he's from Idaho.
Speaker 2: The sound guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's something about that and the sound Okay,
Speaker 4: from last week's show, I would have never guessed that
Speaker 4: Scott Love's nineties.
Speaker 2: Rap oh wait till he here's this podcast.
Speaker 4: It was your tough arts, I would say it's nineties
Speaker 4: rap and hip hop. Well, sugar game, it's.
Speaker 2: Not nineties, no, but the fact that you actually were
Speaker 2: doing that, ye's got to totally enjoy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if favorite artist, but my favorite album
Speaker 4: is The Chronic by Doctor Dre Okay that came out
Speaker 4: like in ninety one, the.
Speaker 2: Actor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, that would be that. That would be my
Speaker 4: favorite one.
Speaker 2: But I get you.
Speaker 4: Put me on a nineties hip hop channel on Sirius XM,
Speaker 4: and you're fine for.
Speaker 2: You're fine for keep you. I remember when you're cranky,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I always think.
Speaker 4: I would say nineties music in general, the nineties to
Speaker 4: me are by far the best decade from music. And
Speaker 4: it's not just hip hop and rap. It's you know,
Speaker 4: all the stuff from Seattle. There's some good rock in there.
Speaker 4: There's just a lot of good music from the period.
Speaker 4: Okay from last week's show, Okay, Jeff definitely is onto
Speaker 4: something with yacht rock radio. If you ever get a
Speaker 4: chance to see the band Yachtlee Crue, that's cute.
Speaker 2: That's that's cute.
Speaker 4: You better go amazing cover band that does all the
Speaker 4: yacht rock hits.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I like yacht rock. It's just different.
Speaker 4: It's funny because he spells yacht yacht except when he's
Speaker 4: except when he writes the name of the band, which
Speaker 4: is correctly spelled yahd. I work at a marketing firm
Speaker 4: and do all the audio visual, so I use a
Speaker 4: lot of similar gear to you guys. So sorry for
Speaker 4: born Scott with all the tech questions. One last topic
Speaker 4: from last week's show, and I don't think we're gonn
Speaker 4: be able to answer this week because I bet you
Speaker 4: didn't check. Well, who does the cyber truck belong to?
Speaker 4: I did not see him, and so we want to
Speaker 4: ask his opinion before revealing the information.
Speaker 2: I have no opinion his permission. The more I thought
Speaker 2: about it, the more I was like, I'm glad I
Speaker 2: didn't say because because that is a very recognizable vehicle.
Speaker 2: So I don't, you know, I don't know if he
Speaker 2: wants right, but we will, we will speak with him.
Speaker 4: Colton says his guest is co Keief, which is not accurate.
Speaker 2: That is not accurate. No, Finally, you can guess all
Speaker 2: you want, but in this case you were wrong.
Speaker 4: Finally, can the NFL please just have Pilon cams running
Speaker 4: for every game, every play, Both in zones. So we
Speaker 4: talked about that already. I think that is the goal
Speaker 4: that they're getting to. Yep, such a shame that Winfield
Speaker 4: got another strip taken away from him. Would it have
Speaker 4: been the first time in team history that the same
Speaker 4: player had back to back seasons with they force fumbled
Speaker 4: into a touchback?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can't look that up. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: how you would. That is such a freak play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's not really four fumble slash touchback categories on any
Speaker 4: of the search engines that I can use.
Speaker 2: So sorry, sorry by that. Colton.
Speaker 4: All right, Colton says, that's it.
Speaker 2: Colton Phipps Official Idaho Buccaneers in basket. Cool. Thanks. Next
Speaker 2: is Dan.
Speaker 4: From Palm Harbor, Hoy JEFFN.
Speaker 2: Scott.
Speaker 4: What a crazy last two games it has been. Despite
Speaker 4: our chances of winning the NFC South has been shattered.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say shattered, but it's definitely gonna be a
Speaker 4: lot harder. We could still get in as a wildcard team,
Speaker 4: just need to get on a winning streak.
Speaker 2: See now, we can still win the division. We can
Speaker 2: still win the division because you're assuming that the division's
Speaker 2: not changing, that everybody's gonna stay the same the rest
Speaker 2: of the year, and it could go you could get
Speaker 2: further behind, or you could go above.
Speaker 4: So we need to win two more games than the Falcons. Doo, correct,
Speaker 4: So we could maybe go let's see, there's nine games left.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: We could go six and three and they go four
Speaker 4: and five.
Speaker 2: U Uh, you just don't know. Have to wait and see.
Speaker 4: Okay, says after the Chiefs and forty nine Ers and
Speaker 4: our bye week, we have a much easier schedule.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stack here.
Speaker 4: First thing. By the way, do you realize that the
Speaker 4: forty nine ers have their buy this week?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're playing on Monday nights, so they're coming
Speaker 2: off ten days of rest and we're you fourteen days? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are fourteen days of rest?
Speaker 4: They have an eight day advantage in rest.
Speaker 2: That's crazy? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And Christian McCaffrey is apparently returning to practice this week.
Speaker 2: Why not pi? Al right, why not pile?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: They got two weeks to get them ready, and we're
Speaker 2: running a short week, and.
Speaker 4: We're running on a short weekday. You get a road
Speaker 4: Monday night game, so now you got to travel back.
Speaker 4: You're not back here till Tuesday morning.
Speaker 2: Just got better. Yeah, we don't. We're not gonna get
Speaker 2: We're not landing until after four in the morning.
Speaker 4: So I'm positive we will turn it around. Being been
Speaker 4: a Bucks fan for my entire life, good, I remember
Speaker 4: when we went to and fourteen, that one season and
Speaker 4: many other rough rounds. My question is not Bucks related.
Speaker 4: Since Halloween is Thursday. What's your favorite candy? Since I
Speaker 4: know how much you love Halloween, Jeff, you can direct
Speaker 4: that me too, because I can't stand Halloween. I'm not
Speaker 4: a fan of He says for me, it's Reese's Peanut
Speaker 4: Butter Cups, and he says, glad you're feeling better, Jeff,
Speaker 4: go Bucks, Finger, Daniel Da Maria, and Palm Harbor.
Speaker 2: Okay, I I'm I'm not a really big, big candy person,
Speaker 2: but if I'm gonna, if I'm gonna indulge in candy,
Speaker 2: there's I like Eminem's yeah, and I like and I
Speaker 2: like three Musketeers. Come on, do you.
Speaker 4: Gotta be kidding me? All the all the candy bars
Speaker 4: in the world that you can have, and you choose
Speaker 4: three Musketeers. Absolutely, have you ever gotten a bag of
Speaker 4: a mixture of like three Musketeers and Milky Way?
Speaker 2: And Snickers and maybe something and three musket If it's
Speaker 2: not you, you know what's left at the end.
Speaker 4: All the Three Musketeers because nobody likes them. That's not
Speaker 4: that's the last put all those put put put five
Speaker 4: different types of candy bars.
Speaker 2: This Thursday night, and see what's left at the end. Wow. Great,
Speaker 2: I can't and not believe you said milk, three Musketeers.
Speaker 4: Okay, right in, right in for us next week people,
Speaker 4: and tell me if you agree with me that that's
Speaker 4: a ridiculous choice.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't eat much candy, but if
Speaker 2: I was, that would be it. If you don't eat
Speaker 2: much candy, then you should definitely eat good candy when
Speaker 2: you Well I did when I was a kid, but
Speaker 2: as an adult.
Speaker 4: I'm mostly more If I'm gonna eat any Halloween I.
Speaker 2: Mean, if you're talking about some chocolates, I mean I liked, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, a dark chocolate, that type of thing, But.
Speaker 4: I'm just notn't you sophisticated? Have you ever had a
Speaker 4: Milky Way Midnight? No, that's dark chocolate is really good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would say I'm more happy to see the fruity
Speaker 4: candy on Halloween. If there's any leftover. But if I
Speaker 4: if I wanted to a candy fruity just you know,
Speaker 4: like a Sara.
Speaker 2: Patch Kis or something like that.
Speaker 4: As opposed to chocolate, I'm not gonna eat a lot
Speaker 4: of it. But if I'm going to have a couple,
Speaker 4: and then I really like Mike and Ikes. But but
Speaker 4: in terms of chocolate, if there's one candy bar, it's
Speaker 4: another for candy called.
Speaker 2: Mike and Ike. Yeah. See, I don't like Freddy candy.
Speaker 4: If there's one candy bar, I'd hope to find it
Speaker 4: would be one. Okay, that's the best candy bar in
Speaker 4: my opinion.
Speaker 2: When I when I was a kid, I used to
Speaker 2: like pay day are good. But what we did with
Speaker 2: payday is we would put it in the freezer and
Speaker 2: then you would like have it liked for a long time,
Speaker 2: because you.
Speaker 4: Know, I've done candy bars in the freezer, most notably
Speaker 4: Charleston Chew.
Speaker 2: But I don't see how that works with the you know,
Speaker 2: I will say this, I will say this, I will
Speaker 2: break all my rules for a butterfinger. Okay, that's a
Speaker 2: much better right now that you now that you you
Speaker 2: know got me remember on the airplane when we were
Speaker 2: on Team travel when we used to get candy on
Speaker 2: the plane with like full size candy before they had
Speaker 2: nutritionness on the aircraft where you had all types of stuff,
Speaker 2: and they used to have the jumbo size. The butter
Speaker 2: fingers were there. I was all in, and then I
Speaker 2: put them in the refrigerator and a cold butter finger.
Speaker 4: I've I'm not a big butterfinger fan. Uh huh, But
Speaker 4: I think that's a much better answer.
Speaker 2: You do like that one better. I had to think
Speaker 2: for a little bit. But but my go to is,
Speaker 2: I mean usually this, Okay, you know what a mini
Speaker 2: size eminem bag looks like. Yeah, okay, I can open
Speaker 2: one of those up, take two or three Eminem's, seal
Speaker 2: it up, package it and not eat those for the
Speaker 2: next few days. And then I can't because a crazy
Speaker 2: old No, it's just not big. Borings are boring? How
Speaker 2: can you say that they bore me? Great candy.
Speaker 4: Another one that would be big on my list would
Speaker 4: be like toffee candy bars like heath Bar, although score
Speaker 4: is superior.
Speaker 2: To heath not had a score, but I've had heath Bar.
Speaker 2: I like I wouldn't get cat bar. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The best thing about Halloween candy bars is I'm ever
Speaker 4: want a full candy bar like I wouldn't eat a
Speaker 4: full Snickers.
Speaker 2: That's just too much. But give me that little one
Speaker 2: bite that's perfect.
Speaker 4: Kats are good, Kats are good.
Speaker 2: Twigs is good Milky Way Midnight. As I mentioned, right,
Speaker 2: are you a left or right? Twigs? All right?
Speaker 4: Next one is from our friend in Brazil, Alexander. All right,
Speaker 4: Holy salty ones. Hope to find you both well, I mean,
Speaker 4: we're kind. Let's begin by explaining my movie for reference
Speaker 4: that was not understood last week. I wrote Mike, and
Speaker 4: he writes Mike the way Mike does with the M
Speaker 4: one K three Mike Evans will return in reference to
Speaker 4: the earlier James Bonds movies that ended with James Bond
Speaker 4: will return. So I should have referenced the terminator and
Speaker 4: wrote I'll be back, since that is from the US
Speaker 4: and would be easier for you to get it.
Speaker 2: My bad.
Speaker 4: No, But I mean, I don't think James Bond is
Speaker 4: very popular in the United States. I mean, I know
Speaker 4: he's a British character, but those are big movies here.
Speaker 4: I've never been a Hue James Bond guy, so I
Speaker 4: haven't seen most of the movies. So I definitely didn't
Speaker 4: get the reference. I've definitely got the terminator reference. I
Speaker 4: love the creamsickles. Hope they stick with one game a
Speaker 4: season and do not give it up because some think
Speaker 4: that's bad luck. Mister Smith. Maybe you can help me
Speaker 4: with this. I'm hearing a lot about our olb's dropping
Speaker 4: back and coverage this season, but I'm not sure that
Speaker 4: they are doing any different from last five seasons?
Speaker 2: Am I correct? Is it easy to get this data?
Speaker 4: No, it's not, since you did, thanks for they. I
Speaker 4: mean in a three and a Todd Bowles type three
Speaker 4: four defense with two outside linebackers standing up, it's always
Speaker 4: been a part of it's always going to be a
Speaker 4: part of that offense, that defense that sometimes those oilb's
Speaker 4: drop into into coverage and if they're good at it,
Speaker 4: like I think Chris Braswell is kind of good at it.
Speaker 2: Joe's not bad.
Speaker 4: That's just that'll gives you different wrinkles because generally those
Speaker 4: guys are rushing the passer, but sometimes you have what's
Speaker 4: called the simulator pressure and maybe maybe Levante, David Blitzes
Speaker 4: and Joe Tryon Cherenko drops back into coverage and you're
Speaker 4: not asking a guy to follow a tight end fifty
Speaker 4: years down the league. It's basically, it's usually gonna be
Speaker 4: zone right, and so your oil bes. When the oil
Speaker 4: bees are dropping, it's usually because you're sending different blitzers
Speaker 4: and you don't do it a ton, but you do
Speaker 4: it some.
Speaker 2: Okay, very good.
Speaker 4: One more, Oh good, this is Alexander again.
Speaker 2: Oh and one more thing you can't well, but wait,
Speaker 2: there's more.
Speaker 4: When we won both of our super bowls, we were
Speaker 4: swept by a divisional opponent. So maybe last Sunday was
Speaker 4: a good thing. No that it was New Orleans the
Speaker 4: other two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice. See that.
Speaker 4: Maybe it'll be like twenty twenty one, we'll we'll play
Speaker 4: Atlanta in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we do with New Orleans. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 2: win the one game and then say the one that matters,
Speaker 2: we got you. Yes, that would be that would be
Speaker 2: very rewarding. Well, there's a lot of football left. I
Speaker 2: actually feel better about things after this, after this, after
Speaker 2: this session. Yes I do. However, I'm I'm really just
Speaker 2: would be really super if super if they if we
Speaker 2: could just figure out a little Okay, I'm not greedy,
Speaker 2: So let's just break down three miss defensive plays. Let's
Speaker 2: cut it in half. How's that's that's the goal for
Speaker 2: this week, and cut it half, all right. The goal
Speaker 2: is to get zero, but if we'll live with half
Speaker 2: all right, all right, chef, that's it. Anything else all right,
Speaker 2: since you did, Thanks for listening.