1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Today on the Drive to the Draft podcast, we're talking 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: wide outs. We got big whiteouts, we got fast white outs. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: We got guys that do this, guys that do that, 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: something for everybody. 5 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: We got quarterbacks. 6 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: One guy had an historic day. His name ends in green. 7 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: And then we talked about the impact of Ty Simpson 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: on this year's draft. 9 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: It all starts right now. 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 3: Welcome into the Drive Through the Draft Podcast. I am 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: just a guy, Jason, Jason Johnson and with me ten 12 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: year NFL ve a decade in the NFL logan and 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: you know what. The other day we were sitting in 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: the stands and I was just Google AI and you 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: just typing. 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: Up these things. 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 3: I was like, what's logan Paul say good at football? 18 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: And AI was like, yes, ten years in the NFL, 19 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: you're good at football, known for your high football IQ 20 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: and blocking acumen. 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: AI was very nice to me. 22 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: It was like a very humbling thing to have AI 23 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: be so nice, because usually people aren't that nice about 24 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: my football career. I shout out, you know, I know 25 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: you us a lot of water for all those searches. 26 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: But made me feel good there. 27 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 3: I knew that a lot of fans my age maybe 28 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: a little older, because like when I became a fan 29 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 3: of the team that season with RG three, that was 30 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: like the season for me because I was too I 31 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 3: was born too late to really experience the Super Bowls, right, 32 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: So I had only known the team to be, for 33 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: lack of a better term, mediocracy for most of my 34 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: adolescents and then into my teen years, and then that 35 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: that game came along, or that season came along, and 36 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: RG three came along, and Shanahan and her cousins even 37 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 3: in there. But I remember you as a fan, right, 38 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 3: and I never had. I was never like, oh, Logan 39 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: Paul's and get them out of here, because like you 40 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: were what you were, and I was telling you in 41 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 3: this dance. I vividly remember one game, for whatever reason, 42 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: against the Raiders in that old Oakland what was that the. 43 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: College side, whatever it was, were. 44 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: The athletics play, and like they had the dirt baseball 45 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: fields in the middle of it. They'll never do that anymore. 46 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: But I remember you just catching a pass and like 47 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: just that dirt. And I don't remember anything else about 48 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 3: that game or really about your career other than when 49 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 3: you were in there. I felt confident. We were running 50 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 3: the ball, the ball, the pill. I felt pretty confident, 51 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: but I hardly ever went logan Paulsamn not good. I 52 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: hardly as a fan don't remember ever saying that. It 53 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, solid. 54 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: Piece, it's good. 55 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's I mean, I think 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: that's what my career is, just kind of solid role 57 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: player kind of guy. And I used to really buck that, 58 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: like just be like no, I'm more than that. But 59 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, like that's okay, it's okay to be No. 60 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: Thanks. 61 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: We're friends, Yeah, we're great friends. In fact, just now, 62 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 3: I was setting up for this podcast here. We're doing 63 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 3: it from our hotel room today because we shut down 64 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: Radio Row and uh, You're like, hey, man, let me 65 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: go get you a late checkout for this room. Dude, 66 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: just say here, you just I'm gonna go get it 67 00:02:59,639 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: for you. 68 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. 69 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: Just relax, just stay here. What a good friend. 70 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's try to be. 71 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: A great NFL legend of the game and a great friend. 72 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks man, appreciate it. You know what else was 73 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: great receivers. 74 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: The receivers, the running backs, quarterbacks from yesterday here at 75 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: the combine, I think we're going to spend most of 76 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: our time for our listeners just understand on the wide receivers, 77 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: because that tends to be kind of the general area 78 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: where the commanders will be looking for somebody in the draft. 79 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: Whether it's at seven or in the later rounds, that's, 80 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: you know, to be determined outside our control understanding. But 81 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: I would venture to guess probably a high likelihood that 82 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: a receiver comes to Washington in this draft in some 83 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: somewhay or another. 84 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: I would think so. I think it's either. I think 85 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to the Tinan conversation we 86 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: had yesterday. I think it's something you may want to 87 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: like reinforce with free agency and then accent with something 88 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: in the draft. And I think of all the positions 89 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: that we've talked about, tight end, probably maybe pass catchers 90 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: is a group that feels like it's very it's very 91 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: it's built for that. Obviously, in free agency, there's not 92 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: a ton of super strong candidates that I think are 93 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: going to hit the market. When it comes to receiver, 94 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a guy, a nice role player. 95 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: A Jennings from San Francisco is the name that I 96 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: hear thrown around. I throw it around initially just because 97 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: I not because I think he's tied to the team 98 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: in anyway, just because I think he fits a role. 99 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: Right. 100 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: He's a solid kind of Z receiver that'll block and 101 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: do the dirty work. And then think about if you 102 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: were to accent that with a Ted Hurst from Georgia 103 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: State or a you know, Josh Cameron from Baylor, a 104 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: young kind of developmental guy with some vertical horsepower that 105 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: has a year or two to develop into maybe the 106 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: starting Z. That's kind of the way I see this group. 107 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: And it was interesting to watch all these guys yesterday 108 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: because it is a deep group. I always forget that 109 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 1: receivers is two groups, like so most most position groups, 110 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: like the tight ends were one group. It was twenty 111 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: eight guys that went. The receivers were a group of 112 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: twenty three, and then they were a group of I 113 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: think twenty two and. 114 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: So many of yes, break them up, yeah, or else 115 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: the guys at the front or the back, well, I 116 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: guess anywhere they're just standing around forever. 117 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: It's too long. Yeah, they have to break them up. 118 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And we're going to spend most of our time 119 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 3: talking about them, including some of the guys the names 120 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: that you brought up yep. But I want to start 121 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: with as we always do, let's start with the top 122 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: names in the class. So your number one receiver currently, 123 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: I believe, is Jordan Tyson, and he he didn't do 124 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: anything today, but that was to be expected because of 125 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: the medical things that he was going. 126 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: So it's funny, actually I thought so. I thought it 127 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: was because I was talking to somebody last night and 128 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: I thought it was because of this season injury. But 129 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: apparently where he was training he kind of tweaked the 130 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: hamstring while training for the forty and kind of exacerbated 131 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: injury that he had in the season. And can I 132 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: steal this football from you for a second, because I 133 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: think this is maybe the most interesting part of yesterday. 134 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: So Malcai Lemon comes out and doesn't run, doesn't jump, 135 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: just does the on field route running and I think 136 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: looks very good. And then Carnel Tate is the guy 137 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: that runs the forty yesterday and he runs a four 138 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: or five three I think officially is what it was 139 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: listed at. And it was interesting talking to people last 140 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: night when I was out and about in town and 141 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: their perspective on the receiver group because they're like, these 142 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: guys are all good football players, but there's a something 143 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: quote unquote wrong with all of them, meaning like, you know, 144 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: Makai Lemon's not going to run fast. Everyone's kind of 145 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of the scuttle. But he's going to run 146 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: it as going to run fast. Yeah, correct, And he's 147 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: not the biggest guy in the whole world, obviously, Jordan 148 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Tyson with the injury, and then I think people are 149 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: going to say, like, oh, Carnell Tate hurt his draft 150 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: stock by running a four. 151 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: Or five three. To me, that's exactly where I thought 152 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: he is. 153 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: I think when they say that, they think that they're 154 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: not sure if he's going to be a top ten 155 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: player in the draft. Because of that, He's still going 156 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: to be an excellent FOOTBA player. They're all going to 157 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: be excellent football players, and now just becomes about this 158 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: really nebulous thing of determining value, especially when you get 159 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: the two linebackers running the way they did and the 160 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: same you know, like the safety's playing the way they did, 161 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: the offensive lines running a day and it was a 162 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: really interesting conversation. I was talking again at this dinner 163 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: that I was at, and one of the things that 164 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: came up, it's like well, who's going to fill out 165 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: your top ten? And the guy that I was talking 166 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: to had been in the front office for a long 167 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: time and he kind of was like, you know what, 168 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't take this player here. I would And I'm like, bro, 169 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: you have to take players in the top ten. So 170 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: even though you might not have a top ten grade 171 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: on these guys, someone's going to slot in here. And 172 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: it was just interesting to hear kind of how, you know, 173 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: this receiver group, which publicly's kind of got all this 174 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: pub and very positive lighting, was kind of like they 175 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: liked the players, but they're not top ten players, right, 176 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: or this linebacker liked the player, not a top ten player. 177 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: So to me, this thing with the yesterday with the receivers, 178 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: I think was it was just really interesting to hear 179 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: the dialogue coming out of it, you know what I mean. 180 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: So it feels like the receivers the way you're describing it, 181 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: Like my reaction is like this kind of a microcosm 182 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: of this draft just in general, because there was a 183 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: lot of talk coming in this is a down year. 184 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: It's like, well, what does that mean? Well, compared to 185 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: the what was at the twenty twenty four draft with 186 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: Caleb and Jenden and all those quarterbacks and then the 187 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: wide receivers that came out of that draft. And so 188 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: you sit back and you go, oh, well, well that's 189 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: that's stacked. So like, these are all guys that you 190 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: would easily take in the top ten, top five right 191 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: in some instances. So you have a quote unquote top 192 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: five graded guy going at eight, and you have a 193 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: top ten graded guy going at fourteen or fifteen, because 194 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: there's just so many with that that grade given to them. Yeah, 195 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: but then you get to a year like this, and 196 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: this isn't kocking any of the prospects that are in 197 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: the draft, it's just how they're evaluated. You go, oh, well, 198 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: he's not a top ten, he's not a top ten. Okay, 199 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: well you only have six guys with the top ten grade. 200 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: Four people got to get going the top ten. 201 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: Like It's that's kind of the vibe I got. And 202 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: again this is not to say the players are bad. 203 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: It's just one of those years where it's like the 204 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: example that this gentleman I was talking to last night 205 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: game me was, you know, think about twenty twenty two, 206 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: which I think is the Pinae seul. You know, Michael Parsons, 207 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase draft and he's and I'm like, it's kind 208 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: of theft you're describing like they had probably i think 209 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: fifteen guys with top ten grades. So like everyone's like, oh, 210 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: there's great value everywhere. These are all blue chip guys. 211 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: This is great and this is different. And so like 212 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: my argument to him was, basically, someone's got to go 213 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: in the top ten. 214 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: Well, this is why you start getting people going, and 215 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: we'll talk about them later. You start getting people going 216 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: Ty Simpson. Yeah, right, and that seems shocking you think 217 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: about it, but somebody's got to go. And then when 218 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: you start take Ty Simpson's name out of it, just QB, 219 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: Johnny whoever. That is yeh, the value of a quarterback. 220 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 3: And then if you're a team picking in the top ten, 221 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: top twelve, top fifteen, chances are you're there because you 222 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: need a quarterback. 223 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 224 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: And I thought it was interesting, like listening again to 225 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: this at this dinner that I was at, because it 226 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: was it was like basically, when you look at the 227 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: top strip of the draft, here, it's going to be 228 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: a linebacker, going to be a safety, going to be 229 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: a running back, and then the other position which we 230 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: haven't talked about, and it's very apropos because the offensive 231 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: line is running today. Is Vega the guard from penns eight? Yeah, 232 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: maybe guard maybe being the other top ten picks. So 233 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me if you're a commander's fan, 234 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: because like, if the offensive line come out and kind 235 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: of tests and moves the way that you know, the 236 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: receivers did or the tight ends or they just test 237 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: really well, are we talking about three or four offensive 238 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: linemen in the top fifteen, Yeah. 239 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: To kind of offset this lack of value. 240 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: Because usually in drafts where there's not like a ton 241 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: of you know, like quarterbacks or receivers, offensive lineman, offensive 242 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: tackles kind of take that mantle and. 243 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: Carry it forward. 244 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: So if that group does really well today, does that 245 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: flesh out your top ten? 246 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 247 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: With some of those prospects, which. 248 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: Is this is good for the commanders at seven. All 249 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: in all, all of this because now someone may say, well, 250 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: wait a minute, why would that be Because you're picking 251 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: up seven, you're not getting a blue chipper, potentially not 252 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: getting a blue chipper, and it's like, well, okay, but 253 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: the options that are become available are endless. And what 254 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: I mean by that is maybe someone falls you that 255 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: is a Blue Chipper or the Washington board or maybe 256 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 3: because like, okay, these guys are these top tier kind 257 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: of gone. But when seven comes around, so there's going 258 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: to be teams out there. We were kicking this around 259 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 3: with producer Caroline. I was going to just to kind 260 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: of like nudge her a little bit give. But what 261 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: if a team goes man, we really need a quarterback. 262 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: That's the thing that's going to put us over. We 263 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: can get a Ty Simpson at seven that Washington's like, 264 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: yeah you can, like, yeah, you can come on up. 265 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah right, because the quote unquote blue Chippers are gone, 266 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: your top tier guys are gone, and then you're able 267 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: to then leverage that seven position for a team that 268 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: is willing to move up and give you premium for 269 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: a quarterback spot that in another year they wouldn't have 270 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: done that. 271 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, yeah, And I think like that's again, like 272 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: and this is not to say that the player the 273 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: players aren't good, it's just that it's the conversation we've 274 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: been having this entire time. It's like, Jeremiah Love is 275 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: a running back, Sonny Styles is a linebacker, Caleb Downs 276 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: is a safety, and it was funny. I was talking 277 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: to this guy and he's like, I wouldn't take a 278 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: safety in the top ten. I wouldnt take a running back 279 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: in the top ten. I wouldn't take a linebacker in 280 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: the top ten. And I looked at him and I 281 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: was like, who else would go? 282 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 283 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: Like, who else in this draft would go? And I 284 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: think about what Sonny Styles did. I think about the tape. 285 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: I think Caleb Down's and the tape. I think about 286 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love and the tape. And right now they're the 287 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: best players in this class. And so I do think 288 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: you're going to get a very and Vega, the guard 289 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: from Penn State, his name came up a bunch over 290 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: the course of this week, and I was like, oh, well, 291 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: that could be the guy that is the variable that 292 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: no one's talking about that pops up. But think about 293 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: those are four positions of non traditional value, right, non 294 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: financial value for teams. But the thing, the other thing 295 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: that you get, like from these Draft Guru podcasts from 296 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: the GM's where they do their podcast, is like. 297 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: If you think he's going to be special, take him. 298 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: And I think both of those four guys we just 299 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: talked about could be special. 300 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: It's just it just is a little bit. 301 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: If you're there seven, maybe the commanders don't move, Yes, 302 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: they take one of those guys. That's a non positional value. Look, 303 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: that's what I mean like Draft night is going to 304 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: be for watching is going to be crazy, and I 305 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: honestly don't envy you the preparation you're gonna have to 306 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: do this year and regards to other years. You're gonna 307 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: have to just be on the on on your on 308 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: your toes man, You're gonna have to keep those feet moving, 309 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 3: your head on a swivel, because who knows what's gonna 310 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: happen at seven draft, and it's going to be exciting. 311 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: I can't wait to see what happens. And all right, 312 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 3: let's get into the wide receivers because one of the 313 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: options is uh there maybe a top three consensus, maybe 314 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: a fourth kind of comes in. And we saw all 315 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: these guys yesterday. And what I mean by that is 316 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: that most of the national media in the draft has, 317 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: in some particular order part al Tait than Jordan Tyson 318 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: from Arizona State USC is malick not is it malachi or. 319 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: Messed up? 320 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: Because Fields and Lemon I get mixed up because the 321 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 3: spelling is so similar. I want to get it right. 322 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: Let me look it up. He keep talking it could 323 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: be so. And then it's the M M A L 324 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: I K I right. 325 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: Sure. And then Lemon from USC and then Denzel Boston 326 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: is kind of there a little bit working his way around. 327 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: So those are kind of like what's the consensus top? 328 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: And we saw all these guys, now you mentioned they 329 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: just took a different route. Tate from Ohio State ran 330 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: a forty drill drills, Lemon no forty did the drills. 331 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: Jordan Tyson did all his medicals, did his interviews, saving 332 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: everything else for pro day, a little tightness in the 333 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: hamstring or whatever it is, which is a little bit 334 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: of red flag because that's his big thing is injury. 335 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: And then Denzel Boston, who did he. 336 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: Did field work and he did he jumped, so he 337 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: had a thirty five inch vertical measured, did the field work, 338 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: and then he also did the three cone, which was 339 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: kind of some of these receivers like stuck it on 340 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: three cone and had some really good times there. 341 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: So let's talk about these top guys because it is 342 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: possible that one of these guys goes seven. 343 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, absolutely, and I think so again, everyone was 344 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: figuring about the four or five three, and I think that. 345 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: To me was kind of like right for Carnel tape. 346 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, for Carnel tape from a house state, And that's 347 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: kind of like right where I expected him to run. 348 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: When you watch him play, I think he's fast, but 349 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: not crazy fast. He's got good body control and he 350 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: kind of makes these plays down the field, but it's 351 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: all kind of a contortionist element to his body. And 352 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: I think there is a precedent for that kind of 353 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: size because he measured in bigger than I thought. I 354 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: think he was idea of his measurements. Jason, Well, I'm 355 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: talking figured out. 356 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: I've written down six three one one one, but I 357 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: think he came in bigger than that. 358 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he had like long arms and you know, 359 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: everything kind of hit the mark there, and so. 360 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: He looks it. When you look at him, you're like, Okay, 361 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: that's a big wide receiver. Everyone makes this comparison when 362 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: it comes to big wide receivers, but for body type, 363 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 3: it's like it's the Mike Evans body type. 364 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like T Higgins was another one that came to 365 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: the line. Yeah. Actually probably kind of like that longer more. 366 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: Basketball ague and he kind of feel and again like 367 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: I think that's probably fine. And so he's another example 368 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: where like I didn't expect him a test great, but 369 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: the film is so good and I think it's just 370 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: kind of like roll at the next level, Like he's 371 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: a pretty dynamic deep. 372 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: Threat in college. 373 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: We're catching footballs down the field, his contested catch rates 374 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: very high, which is always a little bit concerning, but 375 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: I do think like there's nothing, no new information there. 376 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: Then you get to Malik Lemon and the the thing. 377 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: Is like he got to the drill work and kind 378 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: of had a funny first two reps like kind of 379 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: drop this weird ball and like chase this ball in. 380 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: A weird way. 381 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: Like he's kind of had some odd moments while he's 382 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: been here. But in terms of running routes, like dude 383 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: can run routes, man, Like he just is like you know, 384 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: everyone talks about grounded through the catch indicators at the 385 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: top stems, like he just has it. Like and the 386 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: thing that really gets me fired up is like when 387 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: they're doing the gauntlet drill and they've got these kind 388 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: of crazy throws, like one that's two feet over their 389 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: head or at their knees, and like I like to 390 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: count their stride rhythm, so it's like one two one 391 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: two one two one two as they run. And if 392 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: I have to accelerate my count or decelerate my count, 393 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: I know that they're they're like not tracking the ball. Well, 394 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: his foot speed stayed exactly the same the whole time, 395 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: exactly the same on all routes. 396 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: And everyone's going to. 397 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: Say, well, he dropped a couple of balls, but I 398 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: will say, like I tracked every throw and a lot 399 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: of those worth a throw rather than the route or 400 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: rather than you know, him not catching the ball very well. 401 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: And it's McKay lemon what I say Nowlekai fields kaile 402 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: makay McKay lemon. We should get that out. 403 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: Oh it's a case, not an all. 404 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah Lemon, No, no worries, McKay. I got to say 405 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: it on a hundred times because I want to get. 406 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: It d Yeah, my notes that are wrong. 407 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem, Yeah, no, I agree with you completely. 408 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: Do you want to do a quick like breakdown of 409 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: who these guys are for people that maybe haven't listened 410 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: to our wide receiver ranks or whatever, Just like, yeah, 411 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: evaluation of him. 412 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I mean Cornel tait Is he's sixth 413 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, two and a half six threes, two hundred 414 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: ninety pounds, really dynamic, deep threat from Ohio State. I 415 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, I have some concerns about his overall place 416 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: versus press man. I think that's something you see with 417 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: a lot of college receivers. But he's a young player, 418 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: relatively polished, I mean not the most elite polished I've seen, 419 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: but definitely passable there and has incredibly strong hands and 420 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: is really good in the contested catch game, and improved 421 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: from his junior year which was twenty and twenty four 422 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five dropped right, really decreased and is 423 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: kind of I think, to me, like when I look 424 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: at these guys, the more I watched the other guys, 425 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: just kind of the safest, safest guy in the class. 426 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he also on tape is super smooth 427 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 3: for as as he is very nice, smooth, silky releases. 428 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: I think he knows how to work routes, like very 429 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: kind of nuanced with that, as you said, like just 430 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: getting better now that he's been at Ohio State for 431 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: a while and there, Yeah, really good at coaching up 432 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: wide receivers. You could see that he took that coaching well, 433 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 3: plus plus hands, especially going after it, like going up 434 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 3: to get the ball. He has an eighty five point 435 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: seven percent contested catch rate. That's Terry McLaurin esque right 436 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: with what he does there, just going out with those 437 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 3: long arms, plucking the ball out of the air over 438 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: top of guys. I think the question here is like 439 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: will he get stronger and faster? Like is this kind 440 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: of what he is? And sometimes when you look at prospects, 441 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 3: you're looking at what they could be as well. It's like, 442 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: all right, we're sure what you are, but we're also 443 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: we want you to have a good starting point, right, 444 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: That's why we're taking you high. We think you have 445 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 3: a good starting point, but we also want a ceiling 446 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: for you to be able to push past that. Because 447 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: if Carnell Take came into the league right now and 448 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 3: never improved to be a good wide receiver, yeah, but 449 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 3: if you're taking a guy into top ten, you want 450 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: him to be a great receiver. So does he have 451 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: that room to kind of improve is kind of the 452 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: question there, And he's shown it at Ohio State, but 453 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: it seems like well, where else do you go? 454 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: No, Yeah, right for sure. 455 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: But I think that's a pretty good description to him, 456 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: and like kind of like where I think we both 457 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: feel about him. Like if you took him right now, 458 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: I didn't move a step forward, He's fine, But I 459 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: think there's that kind of upside potential that's really exciting. 460 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: So when you look at Makay Lemon, he's he's interesting 461 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: because man, he is a dog competitor man on film. 462 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: Like you go watch the Iowa game, you know, I mean, 463 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: like I can't remember all the games of it, but 464 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: like there's games Where'm just like this dude is an 465 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: absolute freak competitor. The way he tracks football in the air. 466 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: He's not a big man. I think he measured it 467 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: at six eleven and a quarter, so or five eleven, 468 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: six eleven, five eleven and a quarter. He's kind of 469 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: the same size as Amina Saint Brown. I kind of 470 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: comped them in my head, I think because Amanah went 471 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: to USC, Makai went to USC, so like I. 472 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: Caught him Johan Donson if he were physical. 473 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's And again like he's a little bit more 474 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: like like John's. John's like kind of more of a 475 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: like an angular, taller, slender build, and he's a little 476 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: bit more of a like kind of a squatty body. 477 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: He almost looks like a running back kind of you 478 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like that kind of must like 479 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: musculature and really good hands. To me, the thing about him, 480 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: and I think this is, you know, poking holes in 481 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: all the prospects, is very competitive. I think he's very sudden, 482 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: like he knows how to diamond release, knows how to stem, 483 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: is physical at the catch point, like I just said, 484 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: to me, feels like a slot only guy at the 485 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: NFL level, And if like how high would you draft 486 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: a slot only guy? Would be my question for And 487 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: that's a question that a lot of NFL teams are 488 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: going to have to answer because that's kind of where 489 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: he projects. You look at aman Ros Saint Brown, he's 490 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: kind of the exception, not the rule, where he kind 491 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: of plays outside plays inside Ken Mackai do that would 492 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: be the question that I have, And a lot of 493 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: that is predicated on the forty. Like Saint Brown ran 494 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: a four or five to one, I believe it. It's 495 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: pro da and McKay hasn't run. And the scuttle butt 496 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: is that he's going to run slower than that. So 497 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't know for sure with him, but if you're 498 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: just watching tape, there's not a lot of questions about him. 499 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: It's just about the physical thresholds because he is a 500 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: smaller guy. Uses at the next level and how's. 501 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: He going to run? 502 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: When I talked to Tanna about him, I mentioned him 503 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 3: before Tanna like I said, well, he's a little smaller, right, 504 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: and you're kind of concerned by that, And you know, 505 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: Tana was that that rubs him a little bit the 506 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 3: wrong way when you talk to him about receivers being smaller, 507 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: because Tanna isn't a tall guy, and that was the 508 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: knock on him coming out and he's like it doesn't matter, 509 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, I could do anything. Yeah, And like 510 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 3: that speaks to Tanna's mentality of like he always thinks 511 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 3: he's the alpha dog. 512 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 513 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: But then what I said to Tanna was like, yeah, 514 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 3: I hear you, but he's not going to run what 515 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 3: you ran? 516 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 2: I mean. 517 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, yes, a four two seven eight like 518 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: which is blazing, And it's like he's just not going 519 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: to run that. 520 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: Man. 521 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: So if you're going to be that size and say, 522 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: like I'm gonna be like Santana Moss be able to 523 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: play on the outside. Do like, you gotta have that, 524 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: you gotta have that juice. 525 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah. 526 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: And so I think that's the other thing is slower 527 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: forties aren't fatal for receivers anymore the way they were. 528 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: Like so for example, like Jackson's with a jigba a 529 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: mecham buca, Like, they're not crazy fast, They're not four 530 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: to three fast, they're like four to five. Cooper Cupp 531 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: run a four to six coming out. 532 00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 533 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: I think it speaks to the route running nuance. I 534 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: think the thing that gets me with it is what's 535 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: your role? 536 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: Right? 537 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: So, Cooper Cup is a guy that John McVay did 538 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: a great job moving around the formation, putting in a 539 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: good position to be successful. That's kind of how I 540 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: see Makay Lemon, and that's best case scenario. And a 541 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: lot of coaches aren't equipped, you know, mentally or offensively 542 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: to accommodate a player that way. And I think that's 543 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: why just I'm just a little bit not again, I'm 544 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: not concerned about the player. I'm just concerned you're not 545 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: going to get the best out of him unless he 546 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: goes to the right spot, especially if he doesn't run 547 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: crazy fast. 548 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about Jordan Tyson. He was your 549 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: number one on the board. 550 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, a wide. 551 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: Receiver from Arizona State. I'll go first. Is that okay? 552 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely? 553 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: Okay. So I also think he has like that super 554 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 3: silky smooth ability to move. But what makes him different 555 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: than Cardinal Tate is like that acceleration, speed, the route running, 556 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 3: like all of that he can do and it looks 557 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: like it's like just so fluid when he does it. 558 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 3: So his movements go are incredible attacks to ball, very 559 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: good hands, although he had a lot of drops over 560 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: two years before entering this past season, so maybe he's 561 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 3: cleaned that up. I hope he does. I'm just worried 562 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 3: about that there. But the main thing with him is 563 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 3: the injuries. Yeah, because if it's not for the injuries, 564 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 3: I think he's a clear cut number one. 565 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the thing for me is 566 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of coping that he came to 567 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: the combine and the injuries would be kind of less. 568 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: You know, everyone tears their acl everyone has hamstring injuries, 569 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: people have broken collar bones. But you know, we were 570 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: talking to someone from Pittsburgh Radio because Caroline hooked it 571 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: up with a connection. He just kind of in passing 572 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: mentioned that it might be worse than what a lot 573 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: of people thought. And again like I don't know how 574 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: he got that information whatever, but it's just one of 575 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: those things where you're kind of like, because the film 576 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: for him is for me is intoxicating. 577 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the releases are great. 578 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 1: We talked about being grounded through the catch, like he 579 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: does it, but he's doing it at twenty two miles 580 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: an hour, like he his speed, his explosiveness, his sigh 581 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: as he's six' to, two like he's just a special. 582 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: Prospect and to, me he was like from a talent, 583 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: standpoint like before the medical stuff came. 584 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: Out was like the guy was like this would be 585 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 2: the guy taking the top. 586 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: Ten but now with the medical like we've learned this 587 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: many a, Time, right if the guy isn't, healthy if 588 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be, healthy if it's going to be 589 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: a short, career you don't want to throw that pick. 590 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: Away so as we get more information on, that we'll 591 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: talk about. It but this to, me like that's those 592 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: are the top Three and this is WHERE i, thought 593 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Like Denzel boston was going to step up and really 594 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: kind of come into his. Own he's the guy from 595 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: you dub. 596 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 3: And you could he was stuck. Out he's big out, 597 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: yesterday just his size and his yeah. 598 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: Yeah big old. 599 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: Hoss AND i, thought, well if he comes out and 600 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: runs a sub four or, five like he'll, go he'll 601 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: be the guy that everyone's talking about in contention With 602 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: Carnell tate to. 603 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 3: Go. 604 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: Uh the thing, is he didn't, run and so everyone 605 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: has we, talked like we talked about on yesterday's show 606 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: with the, safeties everyone has different reasons for not. RUNNING 607 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: i just was hoping he would. Run i'd hope he'd 608 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: kind of stamp this process for. Him on the, FIELD 609 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: i thought looked a little bit sticky at times in 610 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: the top of. 611 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: His, brakes looked a little bit. 612 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: Stiff but, again like everyone handles the off season process. 613 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: Differently and you, Know i'm really excited to talk about 614 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: the field door BECAUSE i thought there were some guys 615 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: that were exceptional in that. Role but, again of these 616 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: top four guys that were talking, about no one really 617 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: like won the day right the same way that like 618 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: some TIGHT i. 619 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: Was Hoping boston, would like you, said and it's the speed, 620 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 3: thing and you can kind of tell the top end 621 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 3: speeds not. There when he's doing like the deep ball, 622 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: drill you can kind of tell, that, Like, okay that's 623 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: where you're you top out on your. Gear but his 624 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: size is you can just, yeah you can see. It 625 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: that's a TRUE, x, right that's the true PROTOTYPICAL x 626 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: you're looking. For and on the tape he's his. Hates 627 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: his hips are a little, tight kind of see that 628 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: here in the. DRIVES i thought a little, high a 629 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 3: little hot, high but also such a big, dude LIKE 630 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: i don't know how much you knock him. 631 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: For that reminds me a lot of like he reminds 632 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: me a lot Of Mike, evans like kind of like 633 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: there you get a little little, stiffer a little bit more, muscled, 634 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: right bigger. Guy and My kevin's has some of those 635 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: issues too because he's so, tall but. 636 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: Nice hands attacks the ball and even though he doesn't 637 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: have the top end speed on the, film the speed 638 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: still can surprise. DBS i think he has enough juice 639 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: that they look at him and they, Go, okay here's 640 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 3: where we think you're tapped out. At and he can 641 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 3: he can use a little bit of that, surprised like 642 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: little what's that? Nitrous like? That, yeah a little burst 643 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: there to get him. Going so that top end isn't, 644 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 3: there but he's got a little something in the tank 645 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: that surprises eb's when they see his his. 646 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: SIZE i think that's. True and again he was my number. 647 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: TWO i want to, say like it was like for, 648 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: me it was Like Jordan Tyson Boston taate, right and 649 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: that that that top cults are there is pretty tight 650 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: AND i was kind of hoping he'd come here and 651 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: stamp the day but. Didn't, really no one really stamped the. 652 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: Day and SO i think it's really an interesting conversation 653 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: because like we're going to talk about a lot of these, 654 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: receivers but guys down the, board like, second third, round 655 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: fourth round players really had much more dynamic days than this. 656 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: Top SO i think it's gonna be fun to kind 657 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: of talk through some of these names and go through 658 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: the process, here CAN i. 659 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: CAN i kick it? Off? Ye is that all? Right 660 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: and then we're gonna we're gonna start firing through names. 661 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: Here and the ONE i want to talk about is 662 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 3: Not mackay But Malachai. Fields. Damn the REASON i want 663 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 3: to talk about him is because, MAN i just wanted 664 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: more from him. HERE i love his tape AND i 665 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: love what he. Brings as far as his, SIZE i. 666 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: Think he was the biggest receiver here by the, way. 667 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 3: And he looks at right when you look out. There, 668 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: OKAY i see. It he also was like easy to 669 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 3: find because he was one of the few that was 670 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: wearing like a BAGGY t shirt while doing, this which 671 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: was ACTUALLY i kind of enjoyed. It look like a 672 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: dude just playing pick up football or something like that 673 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 3: makes highlight catches At Notre dame even with bad quarterback play. 674 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: THERE i JUST i really love everything he. Brings but 675 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: unfortunately he just ran a little. Slow the drill work 676 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: was just not as crisp AS i was hoping. It 677 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: JUST i was, like, ah, MAN i feel like if 678 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: you came out here and you really put your stamp on, 679 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: this your first round talent, HERE i think he could 680 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: slide because of. 681 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: This and, again like the four six TWO i want 682 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: to say he ran was the slowest of the day for. Receivers, 683 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: yeah and again LIKE i think the movements to the 684 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: skills are. THERE i think the tempoing of rounds is. 685 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: There there's a lot of. 686 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: NUANCE i think if he was more of a kind 687 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: of big, slot you, know kind of intermediate route, runner 688 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: you'd be, like, hey we could work with, that because 689 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: we just talked about a plethora of receivers who do. 690 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: THAT i think the thing that's tough with him is 691 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: his calling card is down the field. Work you, Know 692 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: post goes winning on a vertical route, tree and when 693 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: you don't have That eskate velocity to get away from, 694 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: dvs it just makes it a little bit more challenging 695 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: to live that, way makes it. 696 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: Harder for the, quarterback makes it harder for, You and 697 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: so as a, mover you're, like, MAN i think there's 698 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: a lot of things. 699 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: Here to, like you look good at The Senior. Bowl, 700 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: yeah look good at The Senior. Bowl and the tape's not. 701 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: Bad but he's never been a prolific target in any 702 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: offensive he's been. In AND i think when you look 703 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: at the four six, two you look at it and, say, 704 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: man there's like six or seven tight ends that ran 705 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: faster than, you and, like are you kind of more 706 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: in that. 707 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: Direction more of a big, slot more of a. 708 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: Kind of rotational special teams guy, now or is there 709 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: a way you carve out a starting role as a 710 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: starting wide. Receiver, again like the guy like the TAPE 711 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: i parady interviewed really, Well so you, know maybe somebody 712 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: falls in love with, them but it does feel like 713 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: based on some of those physical threshold, Measurements, yeah maybe 714 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: you got to knock him down a little. 715 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: Bit, yeah who's somebody that did the opposite of WHAT 716 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: i just, stated was, like, hey the combine like may 717 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: made me turn the spotlight to you a little. 718 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: Bit So i've got a bunch of guys, Here so 719 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 1: if you want to, go you want to go physical 720 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: measurements first or do you want to go just like field, 721 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: work or. 722 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 3: Let's do physical measurements. FIRST i love. 723 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: That so to, me the guy THAT i mean maybe 724 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: had the best combine of anybody. Here and we're talking 725 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: About Sonny styles who Had Historic, day you, Know Sadiq 726 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: Kenyan sadiku Out Historic day Is Jeff caldwell From. Cincinnati, 727 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: yeah SO i GOTTA i gotta pull up his measurements. 728 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: Here but really the freakiest player, here he's six,' four 729 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: he's two. OH seven i think he weighed in at 730 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: he ran a four to three to two at that 731 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: body size and he had and he led. ALL jumps 732 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: i want to say for. The receivers let me just 733 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: MAKE sure i pull. 734 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: This, up yeah just an. Explosive player he was At 735 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: The shrine bowl and we saw, him there and the 736 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: thing about him IS like i loved. His tape he 737 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: Was On felman's freaklist at number. Twenty nine he was 738 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 3: expected to do eleven nine, broad right that would be 739 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: seven inches further than any wide receiver At the combine. 740 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: Last, year yeah forty two, inch vertical eleven to two 741 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: broad and then he ended runn a four to three. 742 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: To one sorry miss, Quick right so he didn't quite 743 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: hit these Marks At felman's, freakless says but, but really 744 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: really really good. Explosive player the thing here about him 745 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 3: was THAT that i put the red flags on me 746 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 3: was like you just it wasn't anything that he did on, 747 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 3: the field as is his. Physical abilities it was the. Mental, 748 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: stuff yeah right? For me so does how does this 749 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: performance here At? The combine how does that change how you? 750 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: View him AND so i think that's the other. Thing 751 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: too and he's even BIGGER than. I thought he was 752 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: thirty two and five days, inch arms he was six. 753 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: Y five he was two hundred and. Sixteen pounds that's 754 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: almost ten pounds heavier than he weighed in At The. 755 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: Shrine bowl and so when whatever you watch it Anybody, 756 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: from cincinnati like he jumps off, the tape like when 757 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: he's running, a route, just like who is this big? 758 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: Bass joker like you feel him? On, Tape yeah and 759 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: he's one of the REASONS why i, was like why 760 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: is nobody talking? About him you feel that stuff when 761 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: you go. Watch him there's a lot of plays where 762 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: he's they have to put him on the backside or 763 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: runs because he's just like literally standing there right like 764 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: you Talk About. Denzel boston like one of THE reasons 765 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: i fell in love with him is he's the backside 766 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: receiver and he's chasing the post safety forty five yards 767 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: to like get a hand on him as the running back. 768 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: Gets tackled like it doesn't need he doesn't need to. 769 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: Do that no receiver. Does That But makaya lemon kind 770 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: of like just like, this dog you can just say they. 771 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: Have that you just feel this, competitive, Fire right and 772 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: he's a guy that when the ball is in, the 773 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: air you're like you see, the jumping you see, the 774 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: ball the, body control you. See everything but my thing 775 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: with him, is like, you know you, are huge strong. 776 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: And explosive why don't you just dog these dbs all? 777 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: The time and so do you not? Have it is 778 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: it something they told you? To do is it something 779 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: you're learning? To do but in terms of, physical freak 780 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: there's not anybody more physically Freaky Than jeff Caldwell. 781 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: From, cincinnati yeah he really. STOOD out i love everything, 782 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 3: about him except for maybe the MENTAL. 783 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: Sech i just want to know how competitive you, are. 784 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 3: Exactly but you love Everything else and we're not privy to. 785 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: The interviews this is, where, like man he really could 786 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: have had a good week and we don't know it 787 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: because he does all. These measurements he goes in these 788 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 3: interviews and he just. Kills it and so you could 789 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 3: see him flying up the draft BOARD and i, would 790 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 3: say don't be surprised if he goes earlier then you 791 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 3: probably would have expected because wide Receiver, from cincinnati no 792 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 3: one's really talking about him in. That way but if 793 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 3: he interviews really well, these measurements the film start putting those. Things, 794 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 3: Together yeah team team could really fall in love, with HIM. 795 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: Because i actually thought he had a very competitive week 796 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: doing some of the things that we wanted to see 797 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: at the shrine ball he blocked. 798 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 2: Really WELL so i. 799 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: Don't know maybe he's doing it because it's part of the. 800 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: Interview process, you know he's gonna make a lot, of 801 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: money but he's a guy to keep an, eye on 802 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: especially like you know in, that fifth like if he 803 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: slides to the fifth and you're looking for just to 804 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: take a flyer on somebody for the commanders. Like that, 805 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: to me it's just it seems like a lot. Of 806 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: people so he were Talking To jeremy, green yesterday It's 807 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: like hilly runs straight and he, you know. HE doesn't 808 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: i actually think he catches the. BALL well i think 809 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: he's got some good route running feel, to, him right 810 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: he got good. Snap down it's just it's the how 811 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: how bad do you want to BE an nfl? 812 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: Football player would be my question. 813 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 3: For him and if he really wants, to me like 814 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 3: if he interviews well AND says i really want to, 815 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 3: do it and like this IS what i, can do 816 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 3: and like maybe back in forth fifth like you're saying 817 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 3: where before IT'S like i don't know what people were. 818 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 3: TALKING about, a yeah PRIORITY you fdi, but. 819 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah and so the next guy would be your 820 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: GUY who i thought was good in the field world 821 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: but not Great Is bryce Lance from, UH. 822 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah i wish he had a better. Day Too on 823 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 3: like he, was FINE but i wanted him to, Like. 824 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: SO but i will, say this six y three to 825 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: two hundred and, four pounds thirty two and eighth inch 826 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: arm and had. 827 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: A four three four forty yard dash. 828 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: Just Flew and so for a guy that's supposed to 829 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: be this explosive down the, field playmaker and Every time 830 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: i'm watching watching, His tape jason like he's playing like 831 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: a high, school. Kid right he should, look fast he should, 832 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: look explosive but really own the day in terms of those. 833 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: Explosive measurements had a forty one point five inch vertical, 834 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: jump right eleven in, one inch eleven in one inch. 835 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 2: Broad like all the explosive boxes. 836 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: Were checked and, you know for the field work a, little, 837 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: Tight right but for those super, FAST guys i expect 838 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: to see a little bit, of. Tightness right so, to me, 839 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: FOR him i think he solidified himself as a top 840 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: one hundred player with this kind of performance and the explosive. 841 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: Downhill element it's great to see that come to, the 842 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: Forefront and i'm gonna let you talk about him real 843 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: QUICK before i kind of get to the next guy 844 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: who quote unquote won. 845 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 3: The day SO what i wrote in my evaluation is 846 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 3: that the combine will be big. FOR him i want 847 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 3: to see him, run fast because that's what it looks 848 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 3: like in. The film he did. Do that THE reason 849 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 3: I said i wanted just a little bit more was to. 850 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 3: DRILL work i felt like it was like just middle 851 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 3: of the road and the drill work, for HIM and 852 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 3: i just wanted him to be a little. More fluid they. 853 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 2: Just be it, wasn't, bad, no no. 854 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: Just yeah it just, wasn't, like, oh man look at. That. 855 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 3: Guy go because there are some guys when they're running 856 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 3: right and maybe maybe you'll bring. Them up but, the 857 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 3: kid the Kid, from iowa. 858 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah yeah legend, right yeah. 859 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 3: Just Smooth Right, Like now i'm not saying he's a 860 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 3: top wide. Receiver prospect he's got, his deficiencies but when he's, 861 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 3: running it you look at. 862 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: You. 863 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 3: Go man that's if you wanted a coach to, be, like, 864 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 3: hey kid come, out here gentlemen to. Do this that's 865 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 3: who you want, demonstrating. It right it's just that's how you. Do, 866 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 3: IT yeah i wanted him to be. That way, be big, 867 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 3: be fast have the tape you have come, out here 868 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: and just be crisp in. These roops AND that's i 869 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 3: just he just wasn't. As CRISP but i would, say 870 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 3: THAT like i love. 871 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: This kid, Yeah YEAH and i now, after THIS like 872 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: i because you're like anytime YOU anytime i watched, Him play, 873 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: i'm like you're you're playing at such a small level, of, 874 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: Competition right but to see those numbers pop that way 875 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: and to see those explosive, measurements, Come like i'm in. On, 876 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: It no i'm in on him as, a player not 877 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: obviously he's a first, round player but as a guy 878 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: that you could get maybe it's seventy one for, the 879 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: commanders like, this explosive downhill kind of guy with some, 880 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: Developmental upside like seventy one might be a, tick high 881 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: but you know when you're not picking it until the, 882 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: Fifth round like that's a, guy that if the character, 883 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: lines up you feel really. 884 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 3: Good about and, you, said yeah. The competition one of 885 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 3: the things we kept saying yesterday is like. Bad Competition 886 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 3: then cook against him seventeen touchdowns and. 887 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: They put that. 888 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: NUMBER up i know you said that to, me before 889 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: but they put that number up in the STADIUM and i, 890 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: was like that is so, many touchdowns. 891 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 3: So, many, touchdowns right and sixteen deep CATCHES, for pff 892 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 3: that's fifth of all. Wide receivers, so, like yeah kid. Can, cook, 893 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 3: Yeah right like. 894 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 2: So kid can cook. 895 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: For sure and the other, COUPLE guys i want to 896 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: mention that these are bigger guys that ran FAST that 897 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: i just want to. Touch on, but Like Obviously xavion 898 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: THOMAS from lsu ran a four, Two Eight brendon Thompson 899 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: From mississippi state ran a four, To, six like there 900 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: are some other guys that ran, really WELL but i 901 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: want to talk about guys that kind of surprised and 902 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: the reason they surprised is because of. Their size so 903 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: the next one would Be design Stribbling from mississippi and 904 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: he ran a four, three SIX which i didn't expect, 905 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: From Him like i've worked with him a little bit 906 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: and didn't expect him to run, that way but for 907 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: him to come out run that way and measure six 908 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: two two oh seven thirty one and five eight, inch 909 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: arms thirty six, inch vertical ten to seven broad, and 910 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: dude the thing about HIM that. I love he's, Super 911 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: Smart like i've had him on, The board i've met him, 912 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: in person and he is a dog in the, run game. 913 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: Dog competitor like there's times where they have him playing 914 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: like f tight end and like inserting on LINEBACKERS and 915 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: i just, was like that's like my, perfect, RECEIVER right 916 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: i want a guy that isn't like think About. Pookuin 917 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: akua they have him Insert On rokwan Smith versus baltimore 918 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: two years ago and kind of play, full back but 919 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: that mentality of like just attacking it and you're, ALWAYS 920 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: like i know, he's fast but how fast is he 921 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: sort of run a four to three six at? THAT 922 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: size i was, just like good, for. You man really surprising, but, 923 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: tough physical smart guy to me feels like checks every 924 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: box for like what a commander. Should, be, like now 925 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: where does that value align with regards to production? Good 926 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: combine not, Exactly sure and as we start doing our, 927 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: big boards we'll have a bit of feel. 928 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 3: For that one drop on sixty eight targets, last year 929 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 3: just one drop speaks he's, a pro and he reminds 930 00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 3: me kind of like of how a chem mezznor is 931 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 3: viewed in the edge class in the sense of like 932 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 3: guy interesting pro and so if you, draft him you 933 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 3: know you can bring. Him in you you're not gonna 934 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 3: deal with some of the rookie stuff that you might. 935 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 3: Deal WITH he's i think he's twenty three being, twenty 936 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 3: four so little on, your size but you can tell like. 937 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 3: He's seasoned he knows what it means to be a. 938 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 3: Pro already he's going to, Come in he's going to 939 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 3: be effective in your offense. Right away you don't need 940 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 3: to worry, about, like, yeah oh he's going to screw something, 941 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 3: up now because and like, you said, the mentality the 942 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 3: dog like all, of that he's going to, come in 943 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 3: plug in. Right away you feel comfortable with him being 944 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 3: a party of, your offense not that much of a. 945 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,479 Speaker 3: LEARNING curve I guess i would say IS that i think. 946 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 1: That's a pretty good description. To him and, UH yeah 947 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: i just just really excited for him to run. That 948 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: way and again didn't do the drill Work because hampshire 949 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 1: got a little tight on the, second forty so you're 950 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: kind Of like bomberkus would have been great to see 951 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: him run AROUND because i think he's really polished in 952 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: that regard and that's another reason why some of these 953 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: like heighthweight speed MONSTERS like i think of all the 954 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: guys were, Talked About bryce lance is the only one 955 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: who's did the did the running and the. Field, work 956 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: yeah because the, Next thing i'm going to the next 957 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: two guys, or no, there's okay here. We Go, chris 958 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: brawsel the Second from tennessee, six' five two hundred. AND 959 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,919 Speaker 1: five pounds i, want to say let me just double 960 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: check the, weight real quick but four three, seven and 961 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: yeah one hundred and. Ninety eight pounds so just, a massive. 962 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,720 Speaker 1: Dude fast dude and he's One of these. Tennessee wide 963 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: outs so the. Film is ridiculous have you? 964 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 3: Watched, Him yet yeah i'm trying to, pull HIM up. So. 965 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: I have yeah JUST it's like i was watching him 966 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: the OTHER day because i was getting ready because someone 967 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: told me he's, gonna run fast and it's like post 968 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: and you're basically standing outside the numbers running a post 969 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: and there's no coverage reading because those Wide splits of 970 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: tennessee make the. Look so easy i'm gonna, Run a 971 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: go i'm gonna. Run a hitch so the route diversity, 972 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: Isn't THERE really so. I didn't really i mean running 973 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: running a four three seven is. Huge for him but 974 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: the thing for HIM is like i wanted to see 975 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: him run, the field work and so he. Didn't do 976 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: it but in terms of like, hight weight speed like. 977 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 3: Dude, KILLED it, yeah i mean HERE'S my evaluation i. 978 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 3: Had on him think he's a rare build of a 979 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 3: guy that has to physicalness to make him. An, intriguing, 980 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,240 Speaker 3: option length, height excellent speed can catch, guys off guard 981 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 3: tracks the, ball really well makes. Excellent sideline catches unsure 982 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 3: about his movement skills. And route running that's KIND of, 983 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 3: what i. 984 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: Wrote because there's no and that's. Not on you that's 985 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: just because he. Doesn't do routes he runs straight or, 986 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: kind of straight like he's, run a post like. 987 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 2: A skinny post he just. 988 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: Runs really fast and so but to see him come 989 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: out and test that every time my guys, WINNING the 990 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: combine i would have liked to see him do the 991 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: field work more than like if he didn't run and 992 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: just did, THE field work i would have been probably more. 993 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 2: Excited about that but a guy that. 994 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: Ran really fast so now we're gonna get into THE 995 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: guys that i thought did really well in the field 996 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: work and just kind of won the day. As a 997 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: whole and so the first guy on my list is 998 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: A guy that i who's one of THE first guys i, 999 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: watched for Receiver And that's Caleb Douglas. 1000 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: From texas tech. 1001 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: He's six three, and a half he's two hundred, And 1002 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 1: six pounds he's got thirty two and a, half inch arms. 1003 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: So big man but he in a, four three nine 1004 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: a thirty one inch vertical so again that vertical explosion, 1005 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: not quite there but a ten six broad so kind 1006 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: of checked all those Physical, boxes and jason this dude 1007 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: on the field, was incredibly smooth sinking his hips in and. 1008 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,280 Speaker 1: Out a cut there was no stickiness. To the routes 1009 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: he tracked the football well on the deep ball and 1010 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: that kind of, like inside release big out. That they 1011 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: run great. Job on, that the comeback which for tall 1012 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: guys is everyone's kryptonitecause they get stuck, at the top 1013 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: just drove right, through that thing came back down the 1014 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: stem at. A high level so in terms of winning 1015 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: the day for, the first group it's him and one other. 1016 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: Guy for me but the physical measurements with, THE field 1017 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: Work I thought caleb douglas had a fantastic day and 1018 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: a Guy AT the SENIOR bol that i thought did, 1019 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: some good stuff like in, terms of, blocking being physical winning. 1020 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,439 Speaker 1: Versus Press Man so i'm i'm, high on him, AND 1021 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: you know. 1022 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 2: I think he's a really heck of. A Football, Player all. 1023 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 3: Right i'm just gonna throw some names out and here's 1024 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 3: how we're going. TO do it i don't think you, need, to, 1025 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 3: go oh sorry do you add? ONE more guy. 1026 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: I got one I got so i'm gonna just to let, 1027 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: me cook here. Let me cook so the Other Guy 1028 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: is Jeremy. BERNARD from dude i was just about to Say, him, 1029 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: From alabama right so he ran a, four four nine 1030 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: so not. The Craziest time but jason the field work, 1031 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: bro was fantastic like, on the film like he's, probably 1032 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: the best one of the best route runners. IN this 1033 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: class i want to say THE best because i can't 1034 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: think of every beat, on my head but just the 1035 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: this we talked about staying grounded through, the catch stems 1036 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: no indicators, at the top. Like just perfect and he 1037 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: looked to be, in great, shape so smooth taught the, 1038 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: football so naturally so like in, the first group it 1039 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: Was him and douglas like they were definitively, the BEST 1040 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: guy And i think bernard. Ran better route so when 1041 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: you see that and you couple that, with this, film 1042 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: you're LIKE talk, about nfl ready, just pro ready that's 1043 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: the guy that just really comes. To the forefront in, 1044 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: THE second group i Wanted To highlight JACOBE. 1045 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 3: Lane just i want to do a tidbit on every. Guy, 1046 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 3: real quick sorry ninety nine percent right catches the. 1047 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: Ball moving on dude crushed, it right like and again 1048 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: you saw it like he is a, like you know 1049 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: we talked, about football players he is, a receiver's, receiver 1050 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: man like just really excellent. At his craft then the 1051 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: other one that really Surprised Me was jacobe LANE from 1052 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: from usc. Four four seven for a guy who's almost six' 1053 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: five and a little bit, of a lighter frame, a 1054 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: little bit, LEAN but man like i just thought like, 1055 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: as a route runner the. BODY control was there i 1056 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: thought He Struggled at the senior bowl a little, bit 1057 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: with press coverage especially in the, man and man situations 1058 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: like guys. Would get into him but watching him run 1059 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: and kind of move around and, sink and excuse me 1060 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: do some of those kind of big, body receiver things here, 1061 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: and just the contortion like there was a ball that 1062 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: was like way over the, Top of his head he's 1063 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: running underneath it and he's tracking it. Over his right 1064 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: shoulder the last second has to move to his left 1065 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: shoulder and for. HIM to catch it i just thought 1066 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: was just a really impressive. Skill set from him so 1067 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,320 Speaker 1: to see that LEVEL of route running i heard, he interviewed, 1068 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: incredibly well. JUST smart great PRESENTATION a guy, that I 1069 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: feel like again i was not high on Coming Out 1070 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: of the senior bowl because of. THE press coverage element 1071 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: i think you still got to work. On that with 1072 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: him but to see the body control and, THE route running, Technicality, 1073 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: i Was like okay like i'm kind of. Backing on 1074 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,280 Speaker 1: this train not in maybe not in like the bottom 1075 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: of the, first or high second BUT a player that 1076 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 1: i THINK contribute. 1077 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 2: At the nfl level and. 1078 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 3: In the red Zone he's like the kraken coming out 1079 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 3: and the arms just come up and they. Just snatched 1080 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 3: that ball he uses his arm length really well. 1081 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 2: In. 1082 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: The, red zone yeah absolutely and so he was probably 1083 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: the best route runner but most consistent guy. In The 1084 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: second Group elijah sharrat from indiana didn't run or jump or. 1085 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: Do ANYTHING testing wise but I was really impressed jason with, 1086 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,399 Speaker 1: his lower body strength like his ability to like give 1087 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: that false acceleration like like dive into his cut at 1088 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: a high level and sink his hips and burst out 1089 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: like you kind of, saw it on film but to 1090 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: see it live, and IN living color like i thought 1091 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: that was A really good. Teach smith to him little, 1092 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: disappointed he didn't, run but you Know Like, seeing him 1093 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,240 Speaker 1: makai lemon like these guys that are, just good route runners, 1094 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: good technical route runners like in the field work, WITH 1095 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: that second group i. Thought was pretty special and LIKE 1096 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: the my Note I had for, elijah, swrott was like 1097 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: man he is strong in the lower half and, strong 1098 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: with his hands and that's how. 1099 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 2: He plays on FILMS. 1100 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 3: So the question i want to ask you here is 1101 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 3: what did you think of what Did You, Think of 1102 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 3: casey conception because. 1103 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 2: He's another guy that is like it's, a good question. 1104 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 3: There you're either hot or. COLD on this, guy i, 1105 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 3: feel Like. 1106 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 1: So OKAY so i'm i'm i was hot on the 1107 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: film right like his like his film's excellent because he's so. 1108 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: THIS is my thing a Couple Of. Things with casey 1109 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: conception on one you're supposed, To be lighting fast but 1110 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 1: why didn't we run on this track? That's been crazy 1111 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: fast like that's the first? 1112 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 2: Red, flag for? 1113 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: Me yep are you but you, So you didn't run you. 1114 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: Didn't do any testing you did the field work, on 1115 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: THE field work like, I think at when i always 1116 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of suit like soft comped him from A. Movement, 1117 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: Standpoint to santana obviously santana's much, more of a, dog 1118 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: much more competitive a, little, Bit more Tough right but 1119 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: like santana, like running a dig like could do like 1120 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: a one step dig turn and speed in there. AND 1121 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: catch that football I felt like he i made a 1122 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: little note on all of his routes where. 1123 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 2: IT was, like drift i wrote like drift. 1124 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: IN the con so i felt like he's taking four, 1125 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: steps instead of two or six, steps instead of four 1126 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 1: and he's kind of rounding his depth. Out OF this 1127 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: thing and. 1128 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 2: I think he. Caught THE football WELL but i, just. 1129 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: I, remember thinking like man that wasn't as snappy on 1130 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: THE deceleration. Side AS i thought and i think that 1131 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: stuff showed up honestly on, his FILM in college and 1132 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: i kind of pushed it TO the back because i 1133 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: thought that's how they. Were coaching the route but, to 1134 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: see it here like on some of the comebacks on 1135 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: some of the like, THE dig for example. 1136 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 2: I was just a little bit like that. 1137 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: Was surprising to me and so if you're not running 1138 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: and if you kind of run, YOUR routes like That. 1139 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 2: I worry about lowery I just Talked about. 1140 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: Elija to rotten, the lower Body strength like with, casey's 1141 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: concept you OWN like that's something i got to go 1142 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: back and kind of give a once over because like 1143 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: that's a huge part of RUNNING routes. 1144 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 2: At The, Nfl Level. 1145 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 3: All Right, skyler bell from yukon what did? You think 1146 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 3: of him because HE'S a guy that. I, liked on tape. 1147 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: Yeah so it was kind Of Him and Then Elijah 1148 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: river from georgia tech to both both those guys kind 1149 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,879 Speaker 1: of in the. SAME bucket For Me i thought eric 1150 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: river kind of had like. A SLIGHTLY better day but 1151 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 1: i Think The thing with skyler bell is this a production, 1152 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: in COLLEGE is excellent and i think the route running on, 1153 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,000 Speaker 1: the field. WAS good not great i thought there was a, 1154 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: little bit of stiffness a, little BIT of tightness but 1155 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 1: i think overall i'd give. It a positive grade if 1156 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: that makes Sense. 1157 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 3: For him and bell's as, to his college right he 1158 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 3: had thirty one point three yards per route, ran on the. 1159 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 3: Reception which is crazy almost thirteen hundred yards thirteen touchdowns to. 1160 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: Production is DEFINITELY yeah and so, i think like that 1161 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 1: like that kind of, Receiver That, you Know, eric river 1162 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 1: the bells like those, guys were, were good not GREAT 1163 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: like the guys i mentioned were guys that visually stuck 1164 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,400 Speaker 1: out in terms of. Route running AND skill and so 1165 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,800 Speaker 1: i just WANT to make sure i shout like that 1166 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: doesn't mean those other guys. Had bad days necessarily and. 1167 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: Then the honorable mention my last guy from yesterday IS 1168 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,840 Speaker 1: a guy. THAT i haven't watched i think you've probably 1169 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: watched him because you've watched how many? Guys, forty seven 1170 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: guys yeah most, of them that's, unbelievable By The way Is. 1171 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: Antonio williams from clemson he ran a four to four 1172 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: to two and just like when you cut on, like 1173 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: a route, runner. 1174 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 2: Like the acceleration, deceleration. 1175 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 1: The snap down the ability to change levels with your 1176 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: shoulders and head as you kind of, come into those breaks. 1177 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 1: LIKE he was excellent i thought you, tracked the football 1178 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,879 Speaker 1: well Very natural in the gauntlet drill and was not on. 1179 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: My radar at all EVERY other guy that i mentioned 1180 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: has been on my. Radar in some capacity this guy 1181 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: not on my. Radar IN any capacity and i thought 1182 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,399 Speaker 1: he really just like he had such a good day 1183 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: that it. Like POPS for you and i always think 1184 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: that's one of the Fun. 1185 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 3: Things about the combine he had an hamsterering, injury earlier 1186 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 3: last season so we missed. SOME of the games i 1187 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 3: think that's why he's maybe not as talked about as. 1188 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 3: Maybe you should be he returned kicks and he was moved, 1189 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 3: all over the field lined up in the backfield a 1190 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 3: lot of, times got the ball so they knew he. Was, a, 1191 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 3: WEAPON there basically like i think he's pretty talented and he's. 1192 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 3: Got that some shiftiness maybe you saw that there, at 1193 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 3: the come logan but theme you viewed. Him, as a 1194 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 3: playmaker yeah it's. How, they USED him yeah but i 1195 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,320 Speaker 3: was worried about. His Size and speed but combine. 1196 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: Was, Good for him yeah combo was good and the, 1197 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,319 Speaker 1: movement SKILLS were there and i get THAT'S a guy 1198 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,000 Speaker 1: that i. Want to go back i'm excited to. Go 1199 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: back and watch and you mentioned we Get, the guy 1200 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: from iowa the little kind of shifting kitjin is it 1201 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 1: wet gim WE HAVE A W E g e t 1202 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: but that's probably Not, Correct ON my. 1203 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,839 Speaker 3: Yeah and i mean so every, TIME he came up, 1204 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 3: I pointed to, him i was. Like that looks good the, 1205 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 3: Thing is he's. Small he's, Very, SMALL he's small like 1206 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 3: i don't know what role you're gonna have for, Him 1207 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 3: In an offense like i'm sure he watched. Me be 1208 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 3: incredibly wrong he gets into the league. And tears things, 1209 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,919 Speaker 3: apart BUT to me when, i look at him every time, 1210 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 3: WE talked, about him i looking, there's, your, Kick returner 1211 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 3: right yeah like. 1212 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 2: It just looks like he's, Like twitch yeah. 1213 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 3: Right and he did That. A lot at iowa obviously 1214 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 3: they have different kickoff return rules in college THAN. They 1215 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,320 Speaker 3: do the, nfl but, to, me right like uh maybe 1216 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,319 Speaker 3: a later round, guy that you're saying, at the very 1217 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 3: least he's going to be a dynamic playmaker on. Special, 1218 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 3: teams for. 1219 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: Us no, totally agree AND yeah so overall I think, 1220 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: a very i mean it just feels. Like a deep 1221 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: group and so even though the top guys, maybe didn't 1222 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: you know they didn't do what we thought they were, 1223 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 1: Going TO do necessarily like i think the, rest of 1224 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 1: the group there's Some standouts there that i'm really excited 1225 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: to watch more of and. 1226 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,920 Speaker 2: Give more, opportunity to. 1227 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 3: All right let's spend a little bit time here, on 1228 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 3: the running backs and the main one Has Got. To 1229 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 3: be jeremiah love if we're going to take a, running 1230 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 3: back at seven if we're going, TO stick and pick 1231 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 3: i would say that it's probably ninety eight percent chance 1232 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 3: It's Going. To be jeremiah love so the question is 1233 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 3: what did? You see from him how did this? COMBINE look, FOR. 1234 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 1: You i mean i mean hit. What you wanted to 1235 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: he didn't do, any jumps or anything but he ran, 1236 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 1: A four three six. 1237 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 2: So, Like, check, that box like, yeah good for. 1238 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,919 Speaker 1: You right he was he was two hundred twelve pounds 1239 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: it running, A four three six like that's a good. 1240 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: DAY at The Office i think jamiir gibbs when he 1241 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 1: ran his four three four was like one hundred, and 1242 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: ninety six, pounds so you know almost what is that? 1243 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: Sixteen seventeen pounds, heavier so, bigger guy. WELL muscled look 1244 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,920 Speaker 1: great i think the thing that stuck out to me 1245 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: is we weren't able to be in the stadium for 1246 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,080 Speaker 1: the running backs as we. Were filming a segment but 1247 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 1: there's some stuff online you. Can go check out is 1248 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,320 Speaker 1: the route running just the burst and the twitch Is 1249 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: a route runner and now he caught the football IN 1250 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: those drills that i was. 1251 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 2: ABLE to see online i. 1252 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,839 Speaker 1: Was just really impressed and so talk, about a, guy 1253 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 1: like you know there's certain guys in the process that 1254 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,799 Speaker 1: haven't answered every. Single question to me after watching his 1255 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: on field stuff, at the forty, times, it was, Like 1256 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,040 Speaker 1: yeah killed it like, he like he is he is what. 1257 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 1: We thought he was he did a great job, like check, 1258 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 1: check check you know top, seven pick or. Whatever, top ten. 1259 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 3: Pick yeah and. His, film is incredible yeah, it's all 1260 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,000 Speaker 3: r right Just So. NICE like valentine's day i wanted. 1261 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 3: TO send them flowers i just fell in. Love with 1262 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 3: that film he's, just so he's so, he runs very 1263 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 3: powerfully he's. Creative with the Football he's. Doing that saquon 1264 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,360 Speaker 3: stuff I'm, not saying he's saquon but he does that 1265 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 3: take on stuff where he jumps and contwarts his body 1266 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 3: and like. Just makes people. Mistackles, great contact. Balance, yeah 1267 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 3: speeds there obviously it's like what else do you want from. A, 1268 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,280 Speaker 3: premier running. 1269 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 2: BACK yeah for sure i think, if. 1270 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,600 Speaker 1: You're being there if you're picking, a knit with him 1271 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: which there's not, a lot to say is he's Not The, 1272 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: Best like muddy runner like there's certain, guys where you're, 1273 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 1: like oh my gosh this, guy's inn a maze like 1274 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,239 Speaker 1: it's not blocked up at All any, kind Of but 1275 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,399 Speaker 1: that's like i'm being that's a very slight pick because 1276 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: he's still. Pretty good at it he's just not, the 1277 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:41,719 Speaker 1: best at It you. Know what i'm saying but he 1278 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: hits the explosive home runs like he's an explosive. Play 1279 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 1: waiting to happen, He catches the football so in, terms 1280 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: of like player, he just. Feels very very confident and 1281 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,680 Speaker 1: again he has These Runs like versus penn state a, 1282 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 1: couple of years ago where he can tackled like five 1283 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,840 Speaker 1: guys for that, One yard touchdown run like he's just, 1284 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,919 Speaker 1: a he's a baller like it just this is what, a, blue, 1285 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: Chip was RIGHT right and, so i think overall like 1286 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: he kind of stole the. Show for the day but 1287 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,760 Speaker 1: if you, want some other names real QUICK of guys 1288 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: that i. Thought Had Good days mike washington junior we 1289 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,480 Speaker 1: got to talk about he's A Standout, From the senior 1290 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: bowl like absolutely Crushed It, at the senior bowl but 1291 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: came here, to THE combine MAN and i mean i, 1292 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 1: knew he was fast but quite literally. Like blew me away, 1293 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,280 Speaker 1: he's six to one he's two, hundred twenty three pounds 1294 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,879 Speaker 1: two hundred, and twenty three pounds the biggest back here 1295 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 1: thirty three, and, five ancient charms right and what kind of? 1296 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,839 Speaker 1: Forty DID he run jason a? Four to three three? 1297 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:36,399 Speaker 2: Are? 1298 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,000 Speaker 1: You kidding me like? Are you kidding me, thirty nine 1299 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 1: inch vertical ten eight broad and so to see a, 1300 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,600 Speaker 1: man move that way. And he's, HE'S big on film 1301 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: i think he looks like he played. Close to two 1302 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: thirty like. He is a bit he reminded me a 1303 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 1: little bit of like the compent they gave Him The, 1304 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,239 Speaker 1: stadium IS DeMarco murray which i. Think is REALLY good 1305 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 1: but when i was Watching him at, the arkansas film 1306 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: like he's Got This like upright, derek henry running style 1307 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: even though, he's a big guy feels like more of 1308 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,280 Speaker 1: a home run hitter than like. That, traditional big back. 1309 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 3: Yeah that's not to say He's Going, to be derek 1310 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 3: kmill it's just that's what it looks. 1311 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 1: Like kind of but it's like a bigger guy that 1312 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: is actually more of a home run threat. Than YOU 1313 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: would think so i think he. HELPED himself a ton 1314 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,359 Speaker 1: i think he pass protected Really Well. At the senior 1315 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,239 Speaker 1: bowl he cut the ball really well and went On 1316 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: Ones at the senior, bowl a little bit there's a little, 1317 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: bit of stiffness there, but like shoot man he's got 1318 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,919 Speaker 1: great power and he's got great strength. In the lower 1319 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,320 Speaker 1: half and so for a, GUY that you know i 1320 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,959 Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people were talking, about before 1321 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,760 Speaker 1: this process like that is An emphatic stamp on yesterday, 1322 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,919 Speaker 1: for the Running Backs another Guy Demon. Claiborne from wake 1323 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,240 Speaker 1: forest he was, supposed to be fast kind of scatback 1324 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: guy ran a, four to three seven. SO checked that 1325 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: box i wasn't sure how. Fast he actually Was Way 1326 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 1: to show logan paulson that. He was totally wrong and 1327 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: THE other guy that i wanted To Shout out Is 1328 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,840 Speaker 1: eli heidenerich from navy ran a four four forty and 1329 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: again this is something again we were able, to find 1330 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 1: online later but just ran routes the way we would 1331 00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: expect him to run routes like, kind of. Super shifty, 1332 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: great feel you know he played receiver And. Running back 1333 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,280 Speaker 1: at navy SO a guy that i think. Helped himself, 1334 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 1: out tremendously. 1335 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 3: Real quickly want? 1336 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 1: To, DO some quarterbacks yeah. I, mean real quick really 1337 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: there's only one quarterback, we need, to do but. 1338 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:11,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1339 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 3: Let's do It Okay so for, nanda mendoza was. There 1340 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 3: crowd went. Nuts didn't. 1341 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,000 Speaker 2: DO anything, dude talking i. 1342 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 1: Mean he must know he's never gonna buy a drink 1343 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 1: IN the state of i, don't THINK he drinks but 1344 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 1: i mean if you, you'll get a coke. 1345 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 2: He'll Get a Coke limited. 1346 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 3: Cokes. 1347 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 2: BECAUSE i'm talking sorry pepsi. 1348 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,600 Speaker 3: The Official Sponsor. 1349 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,560 Speaker 1: Of the washington commanty we've, been here multiple years and 1350 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,920 Speaker 1: People will cheer. For ohio state guys people. Cheer for, 1351 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,000 Speaker 1: MISSION guys it's like I feel like the beatles are here. 1352 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 1: When that dude's here like you can't walk anywhere in 1353 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 1: this city without, People losing their. 1354 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:40,560 Speaker 2: Minds. 1355 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 3: Like, It's incredible yeah absolutely and so. He didn't do 1356 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,760 Speaker 3: anything he's going to be. The number one pick there's. 1357 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 3: No doubt, About, it THE guys uh because i watched 1358 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 3: a little bit more of these guys than maybe. You 1359 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 3: DID for FILM so i what i mean by that 1360 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,040 Speaker 3: to JUMP off with. Is I Was hoping Uh, Joe figato, 1361 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 3: from yukon oh yeah came, out AND did well and 1362 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,480 Speaker 3: i was a little disappointed he had, a couple of, 1363 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 3: okay so hold on let. Me, Start off here okay 1364 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,680 Speaker 3: with quarterbacks and wide, receivers at this drill it is 1365 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,640 Speaker 3: really hard to, judge them by saying like you, didn't, catch, 1366 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,280 Speaker 3: the ball yeah right because this guy's. Never thrown to you, 1367 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,880 Speaker 3: they do three passes then the, next guy comes in the, 1368 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 3: next quarterback comes in so you can't get into a, 1369 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 3: rhythm and, it's like all right throw this deep dig 1370 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 3: to this guy that you have no idea. How fast 1371 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 3: he is you have no idea how he, rounds off. 1372 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 3: The rackets no idea so it's a little. Nuts SOMETIMES 1373 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,959 Speaker 3: with that but i wish he was a little more 1374 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 3: accurate with the ball because that. Was his calling, card 1375 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 3: SENSE of like what, i mean by accurate it's not that, 1376 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 3: the GUY'S caught it just i want when you're an accurate, 1377 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 3: quarterback at the combine just put the ball in the 1378 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 3: same spot every time the recently either gets, it or 1379 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 3: he doesn't but you're showing you can hit. A target 1380 00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 3: every time the thing about a, man twenty eight touchdowns one, 1381 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,439 Speaker 3: interception this past year. There's, something, to that wow right, 1382 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 3: There's SOMETHING to that and i just it's the accuracy 1383 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,479 Speaker 3: when you look at the tape, that HE has THERE 1384 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,479 Speaker 3: and i JUST i just wish i saw a little. 1385 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,520 Speaker 3: Bit more of that and then the arm strength wasn't 1386 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 3: QUITE there on the dp ball and with quarterbacks when 1387 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 3: that one just, chuck it up there let's see how 1388 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 3: far you, can throw the ball and his was kind of. 1389 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,600 Speaker 3: On the tail end that's, not his game. 1390 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,640 Speaker 2: Necessarily not his. 1391 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 3: Game not his game no the do you have any 1392 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 3: thoughts ON quarterbacks OR should i just. 1393 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,560 Speaker 2: I think that There's two guys that i've. 1394 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 1: Watched A Little Bit, was cole peyton okay yep ran 1395 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 1: a four five Six And looks like, captain america out 1396 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,000 Speaker 1: there like just, really well put together. Physical, through the 1397 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: ball okay but it's coming off of, so he's six 1398 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,360 Speaker 1: three two hundred and thirty three pounds like so big 1399 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 1: kid like people are Calling Him like THE, tim, tebow 1400 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 1: of fcs right and he plays that way Like it, 1401 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,040 Speaker 1: runs down hilly's Physical But did the senior bowl coming 1402 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: off of a broken hand, surgery like days before. SO 1403 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,160 Speaker 1: like physically tough i think the film is like it, 1404 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 1: doesn't always look good. But IT'S very, productive and i 1405 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,280 Speaker 1: thought yesterday threw, the ball, pretty well, you know not, 1406 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Great but pretty well and so just wanted. To shout 1407 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: him out, and, THEN for me again i don't watch 1408 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,080 Speaker 1: a lot of Quarterbacks Because, we HAVE jayden daniels so i, 1409 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,800 Speaker 1: will at some. Point But Not yet Is Tailing? Green 1410 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,880 Speaker 1: from arkansas Okay and the reason i'm going to shout 1411 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 1: him out is he maybe had the freakiest. Combine of 1412 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: anybody here like we talked About The receivers like, Jeff 1413 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 1: Calbo freak, Right Inian zadig freak, eli stouers freak right. 1414 01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: All these sunny styles this, guy is sixty six two hundred. 1415 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: And twenty seven pounds he's got thirty four and, three 1416 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,680 Speaker 1: forthd inch arms so. Thirty five in charms he's got 1417 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,440 Speaker 1: nine and, seven eight inch hands so basically a ten in. 1418 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,920 Speaker 1: Chand so huge man and then he comes out and 1419 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 1: runs a four to three six what forty three point 1420 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,120 Speaker 1: five inch vertical jump and Eleven TO two broad and 1421 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,360 Speaker 1: i thought he, Threw the football, Again he's got this 1422 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: he's got this five he's got this crazy release because, 1423 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,920 Speaker 1: his arm, is like you know it's a. Thirty five 1424 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,720 Speaker 1: inch arm so it's like it's kind of like he 1425 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 1: does this big j with the football and like hooks 1426 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,360 Speaker 1: back and it takes him a long. Time TO throw 1427 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 1: It but i if i'm A, coach IN the, nfl 1428 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,120 Speaker 1: and i again there's there's moments that, are really Really good. 1429 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 1: Like the florida game the first half he looks Like It. 1430 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,120 Speaker 1: Could be michael vick second half he looks like, not, 1431 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,280 Speaker 1: A football player right like it Just Like, There's These 1432 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 1: doctor jekyll mister high type. Of moments with HIM but 1433 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: from what i heard about the How He handled the 1434 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 1: senior bowl kind of got better BETTER every day here 1435 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,560 Speaker 1: i heard. He INTERVIEWED pretty well like i would probably 1436 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,120 Speaker 1: take a flyer on. Him at some point it just 1437 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,200 Speaker 1: DEPENDS on like DO i feel like i? Can develop this, 1438 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: guy but holy cow like physically like he's one of 1439 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: he's one of these one of one guys we talked. 1440 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 3: About all of Them It, feels like anthony richardson not in 1441 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,360 Speaker 3: how he's built, or his play style but in the 1442 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,520 Speaker 3: sense of like coming to the combine and suddenly like, people, are, like. 1443 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: Whoa yeah right like and again like You, see him 1444 01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,320 Speaker 1: at arkansas like with long runs and big throw, and 1445 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,360 Speaker 1: down the field like the deep ball stuff that they 1446 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,680 Speaker 1: did yesterday he. Was really good at but some of 1447 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 1: the more timing based stuff he's gonna struggle with because 1448 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,440 Speaker 1: he's got. Like a longer frame but he's the he's 1449 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,080 Speaker 1: the guy to me that it's obviously you should Talk 1450 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,840 Speaker 1: about times to tysomson, here in a, second. 1451 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,200 Speaker 2: But like that that to me is just like it's 1452 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 2: a LOTTERY. 1453 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Pick and do i want to burn it? In the 1454 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,440 Speaker 1: Third round because like todd McShay was gushing about him on, 1455 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:23,960 Speaker 1: his podcast, last, night he said oh he's going to 1456 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 1: be a. TOP one hundred pick I don't know if 1457 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,320 Speaker 1: i'm there with that yet because the film was a little, 1458 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,520 Speaker 1: bit UP and down but i definitely think someone, should 1459 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:30,640 Speaker 1: take him well like talking. 1460 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,440 Speaker 3: Themselves into, the, athlete that's true right you. Really do 1461 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 3: so quickly i'm gonna. Just mention these guys i'm going. 1462 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,120 Speaker 3: To Fly through Him Drew aller from, penn state six, 1463 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,320 Speaker 3: five two thirty Five young kid to my comp for 1464 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,600 Speaker 3: Him Is like ben ben roethlisberger in like the way he, 1465 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,320 Speaker 3: just big his size people. Bounce off of him that's 1466 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,320 Speaker 3: kind of. Like his athletic movement but he doesn't have, 1467 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,640 Speaker 3: the processing speed There like that's his achilles Heel Is in, 1468 01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,200 Speaker 3: the penn state offenses just the processing. Speed is just. 1469 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,840 Speaker 3: Slow locks, on one the guys, even when they're covered 1470 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,959 Speaker 3: just puts it. In gets fooled often but, the arm 1471 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 3: is there, the size is there, the athlete is there and. 1472 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,360 Speaker 3: He's still a kid so someone that a team could 1473 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 3: definitely fall in love with all, these, things and say 1474 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 3: hey we can work with them on the mental, part 1475 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:22,720 Speaker 3: of this game and. We Really got Something cavee klubnick from, clemson, just. 1476 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,800 Speaker 3: Look fine right nothing They're The. Same with, Carson beck 1477 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,960 Speaker 3: look fine like you know what You're getting from These. 1478 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,240 Speaker 1: Funny thing about carson beck was like every, time he 1479 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:30,920 Speaker 1: came up everyone. 1480 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 2: Everyone WAS viewing him but i love that he just 1481 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:34,720 Speaker 2: kind of like smiled, and was like yeah it. 1482 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 3: Was, like no big deal but you know what. You're Getting, 1483 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,600 Speaker 3: With it watch miami like that's sure he didn't. Show 1484 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 3: ANYTHING different here but i think the guy that's the 1485 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,880 Speaker 3: most intriguing in the quarterback class to me as far 1486 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 3: as how the Draft Will happen Is. Ty simpson from 1487 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,400 Speaker 3: alabama if you Watch, THE film, before october i mean 1488 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,240 Speaker 3: he looks like he's number, two, picking the Draft right 1489 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,200 Speaker 3: like the. Jets should take him but you watch after, that, 1490 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 3: and it's like man? What are, we doing. 1491 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: Injury, there whole OFFENSE there and again i. Think he 1492 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 1: WAS injured he got i heard he also had some 1493 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,120 Speaker 1: type of stomach or viral thing going on where he lost. 1494 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 1: A bunch of weight so like there was a little 1495 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,440 Speaker 1: bit of adversity for the second, half, of a season. 1496 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,240 Speaker 3: Right so we're not. Quite. Sure what's there now, he's 1497 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 3: a coach's kid so. He's, going to interview well he. 1498 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,000 Speaker 3: HAS the athletic ability i think you saw, it with, 1499 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:27,120 Speaker 3: his arm, quick release strong. Arm fairly accurate Today To, 1500 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,720 Speaker 3: ME with ty simpson i think that if he, can 1501 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 3: CONVINCE in interviews which, i think he will teams that 1502 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,920 Speaker 3: need and want a, quarterback that hey man it, was 1503 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,560 Speaker 3: Injuries this year, But i'm geared up. I'm. READY to 1504 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 3: go yeah i think there are teams that, are, going to, 1505 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,000 Speaker 3: say like all right well we're going to toss His 1506 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 3: second half of alabama out and we're gonna we're gonna 1507 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:47,880 Speaker 3: really take a, chance on this. 1508 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,800 Speaker 1: Kid especially because of how spartan. The quarterback market is 1509 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,640 Speaker 1: like there are a. Bunch of quarterback vacancies teams need 1510 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and there's not there's just, not, Enough Dance Partners 1511 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,439 Speaker 1: right so, anthony richardson, LAKE willis you know i can't even, 1512 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,200 Speaker 1: think of you know like It's A Bunch of tirard 1513 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 1: travis beck from from The backup quarterback in chicago's name came, 1514 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,440 Speaker 1: Up the other day like people, are desperate for quarterbacks, 1515 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: and when that happens people make interesting decisions in the. 1516 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Draft OUT of desperation so i and not that. 1517 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,880 Speaker 3: Desperation is a good, way to put it because when 1518 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,000 Speaker 3: you have a team and we don't Have, this here In. 1519 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 3: Washington thank, the lord yeah seriously but we used to 1520 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 3: go through this where coaches are they're, unsure what's coming 1521 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,840 Speaker 3: up gms aren't. Sure what's coming up it's it feels 1522 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 3: like a make or break, season in that, sense, and 1523 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 3: it's like man we have to. Get a quarterback Now 1524 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,720 Speaker 3: thankfully here in washington. We got the. Quarterback we, feel, 1525 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,800 Speaker 3: Comfortable there's stability right but there are other teams, that 1526 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 3: don't have that and, or, they're brand new right a 1527 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 3: brand new coach coming in that's trying, to change THINGS 1528 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,840 Speaker 3: around brand new, gm that's coming in or that has 1529 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,200 Speaker 3: changed over a lot of the football. Side of the 1530 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,880 Speaker 3: operation so they. WANT a new identity I. Was poking 1531 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 3: at caroline example of that might Be. Something, Like, the 1532 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,520 Speaker 3: steelers yeah Steelers Just. They got aaron rodgers what are they? 1533 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,200 Speaker 3: Going To do there maybe, mike McCarthy Goes man, this 1534 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,000 Speaker 3: ty simpson kid he's going to be the next. Thing 1535 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,160 Speaker 3: for us here we have, a whole new. Regime whole new. 1536 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 3: Mentality let's move up let's go Get him right and 1537 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,600 Speaker 3: washington is a trade Partner at seven or miami right is. Another, 1538 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,400 Speaker 3: example of that like teams are funny in the sense 1539 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,640 Speaker 3: of they start evaluating quarterbacks as, a sense of like 1540 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:29,280 Speaker 3: this is what's going to be our organization for, the 1541 01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 3: next five years and so we are willing to do 1542 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,120 Speaker 3: what we're not willing to do for other, positions in 1543 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,120 Speaker 3: the draft because it's not just is our team going, 1544 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,680 Speaker 3: to be better now it's like our team's going to 1545 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:41,720 Speaker 3: be great for five years. 1546 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,320 Speaker 2: If, We nail THIS yeah and so i think that it's. 1547 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Gonna BE really compelling and i Think if, you're, a 1548 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 1: washington fan like that's a piece to keep an eye on, 1549 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,320 Speaker 1: as we get closer as he goes, on his thirty 1550 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,640 Speaker 1: visits as he goes, on his team interviews, like if 1551 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,440 Speaker 1: somebody fault Like everyone's talking, about washington's trade back if 1552 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,040 Speaker 1: there's not a guy there at. Seven that they love, 1553 01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 1: my thought is, like if that, piece the quarterback piece 1554 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,040 Speaker 1: starts to get hot, at the right time that does 1555 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:04,400 Speaker 1: nothing But. 1556 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,120 Speaker 3: Good things, for washington Oh, great. THANKS for washington Man 1557 01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,040 Speaker 3: i Love. Having, jad AND daniels, dude it's. I. 1558 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,160 Speaker 1: Mean thank god RIGHT the other thing i, wanted to 1559 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,000 Speaker 1: say too is like quarterback and, Then this is. LAST 1560 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna seconds i gotta go get. Another show to 1561 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,200 Speaker 1: do BUT the other thing i wanted to say is 1562 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,880 Speaker 1: the other huge piece in this is Running today at 1563 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 1: the combine and we're going to review The offensive line, 1564 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,680 Speaker 1: on monday this, week and so like if, these guys test, 1565 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,080 Speaker 1: well they perform well like this could be a big 1566 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,120 Speaker 1: trade up trade down piece because they always are if 1567 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,680 Speaker 1: someone falls in love with. All of these guys so 1568 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,440 Speaker 1: make sure You tune in on. Monday for this review 1569 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,560 Speaker 1: because this will be very. Significant, for the commanders. 1570 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,120 Speaker 3: Yep we, watch Offensive. Line today that's sunday then, we 1571 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,880 Speaker 3: fly home tonight so, tomorrow we'll get in, we'll record 1572 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,160 Speaker 3: this podcast get it Out. To. You ONE monday yeah so. 1573 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate, you guys and again if, you like this 1574 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:52,880 Speaker 1: content please make sure. 1575 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:53,240 Speaker 2: You like and. 1576 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,080 Speaker 1: Subscribe please leave comments that helps us kind of dictate 1577 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,520 Speaker 1: the direction. You want to, do, the bag yes sure, 1578 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,800 Speaker 1: Which would be great, but for the. 1579 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,520 Speaker 2: Combine For, what is. Today sunday that's it 1580 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:08,720 Speaker 1: Mm hmm