Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another edition of Notificent. I am one
Speaker 1: half of your host Danny Fernandez. Today I'm joined by
Speaker 1: two of my dear friends that I've known for years,
Speaker 1: for actual years, and I'm really excited for them to
Speaker 1: tell you about their podcast because I've been involved in
Speaker 1: a way. Um but today we are talking about do
Speaker 1: Jin Shei, which if you don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: we're going to get into it. And I'm joined by
Speaker 1: hosts and writers and my close personal friends Ema five
Speaker 1: in Chris Lamb, Hello, Hi, thank you so great to
Speaker 1: virtually be here. I know I miss I miss us.
Speaker 1: I guess we're kind of like we always see each
Speaker 1: other at events, right, like cons and er. It's one
Speaker 1: of the weirder things I think is that you know,
Speaker 1: even people in in our profession who largely are freelancers,
Speaker 1: and you often are working independently at home unless for
Speaker 1: whatever reason you know you're lucky enough like oh you're
Speaker 1: in a writer's room or you're on set that day
Speaker 1: or whatever. There is a lot of sort of independent
Speaker 1: work that goes into it. But because a lot of
Speaker 1: what we do work wise takes us out to events,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm often so busy that conventions are
Speaker 1: when I see all of my friends that I would
Speaker 1: normally just see in Los Angeles anyway, but we never
Speaker 1: have time for each other in l A. I know,
Speaker 1: I Christ, do you feel the same way I do? Um,
Speaker 1: that's kind of one of the um things about having
Speaker 1: good tastes and friends and aligning yourself with people who
Speaker 1: you know who know their stuff is that they are successful,
Speaker 1: and oftentimes that means that, UM, it can be hard
Speaker 1: to catch up, but you know, it's definitely something that um,
Speaker 1: I try to accept, but it's also hard re accepting
Speaker 1: it in this different context, right. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird because I was really mixed about Comic Con
Speaker 1: being canceled because that's so many people like I feel
Speaker 1: for the artists, like I feel for the people who
Speaker 1: really bank on making a lot of money at that
Speaker 1: time and they that's like, uh there, yeah, time to
Speaker 1: shine For me as a creator. It was kind of
Speaker 1: like it felt like I could catch my breath, like
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just like it's an honor
Speaker 1: and a privilege to be able to do as much
Speaker 1: as we do. However, con season is just kind of
Speaker 1: one thing after another after another, and sometimes I believe
Speaker 1: in like quality over quantity, I would say, and so
Speaker 1: it's just nice getting to me. It was like so
Speaker 1: mixed because it was like I have so much anxiety,
Speaker 1: especially as an extroverted introvert. I feel like that is
Speaker 1: a thing maybe like all of us are where we
Speaker 1: like are very um passionate about our craft and really
Speaker 1: good at what we do, and we're like on camera,
Speaker 1: but when we're off camera, it's kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is my little shell and please don't invade my bubble.
Speaker 1: I'm really you know, And so just the whole anxiety,
Speaker 1: and I think there's an extra level of it's become
Speaker 1: really Hollywood, like it's maybe I've been going since I
Speaker 1: was eleven, and it's really Hollywood now, Like they have
Speaker 1: shows they promote that aren't even nerdy. It'll just be
Speaker 1: like Kenna ken Wait or like you, I mean young Sheldon,
Speaker 1: I guess is ners still it'll be Yeah, It's true
Speaker 1: like that there is with with San Diego Comic Con,
Speaker 1: particularly there there is this very extreme level of marketing
Speaker 1: that's going on. And yet because you do still have
Speaker 1: your you know, obviously in in recent years they've pulled out,
Speaker 1: but until very recently, you would have your big Marvel
Speaker 1: Cinematic Universe paneling, you would have your big Marvel Television
Speaker 1: panel and your Warner Brothers panel, and so you did
Speaker 1: feel like you still really had to be there or
Speaker 1: you were going to be missing out on something. I
Speaker 1: know exactly how you feel about Danny because I felt
Speaker 1: the same way where I was like, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a relief in some ways, but on the other hand,
Speaker 1: then in my like Instagram memories, a picture came up
Speaker 1: of like me and and Xander genre I think, like
Speaker 1: out drinking on that Wednesday when everyone's first getting into
Speaker 1: town in San Diego, and I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it is really fun though, so I just I was
Speaker 1: gonna say what I feel about it being Hollywood as
Speaker 1: it turns into like, hey, did you get into this party?
Speaker 1: Got into this party? And can you get me into
Speaker 1: this party? And it's just that's not what it is.
Speaker 1: It reminds me exactly what happened to us when we
Speaker 1: were kids, like when we were nerds, and now we're
Speaker 1: being treated like nerds again because they're not other party
Speaker 1: and party right, and it's like, oh, you didn't get
Speaker 1: into the e W party? Okay, well, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll meet up with you after. It's just like, it's
Speaker 1: just like I did not live my life as I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get in so let yeah, these popular
Speaker 1: Hollywood people make me feel bad. So that's the other side.
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people don't see for
Speaker 1: at least for us. And so when it was postponed
Speaker 1: or canceled or whatever, I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the idea that I'm not going to have to deal
Speaker 1: with the flaunting who you know, who's at this and
Speaker 1: who got on what panel? Who is doing so much?
Speaker 1: And like, I mean, I will say that just in
Speaker 1: on the sort of opposite end of the San Diego
Speaker 1: comic con spectrum, what I have found to be. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: there are tons of small conventions around the world that
Speaker 1: really are more focused on, um, celebrating people coming together
Speaker 1: to enjoy something that they love, as opposed to as
Speaker 1: you say, be seen at a party. Um. But I
Speaker 1: will say that my experience was Star Wars Celebration was
Speaker 1: much more like those small conventions, which is like everyone
Speaker 1: at Star Wars Celebration was there because they loved Star Wars.
Speaker 1: There weren't any cool parties that people were worried about
Speaker 1: getting into. Everybody who normally are peers who are in
Speaker 1: again at that level at San Diego Comic Con, of
Speaker 1: possibly some of them do get invited to the w
Speaker 1: party and if you're not one of them, then you're
Speaker 1: not doing as well as everybody else. At Stars Celebration,
Speaker 1: like everyone was just hanging out with the Merriott bar,
Speaker 1: it was so much more low key, um and it really,
Speaker 1: it really was. It was so much fun. It was
Speaker 1: so so much fun. Um. So yeah, that you know, conventions,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're a mixed bag. But you know idea,
Speaker 1: I was going to say, it's like apples and oranges
Speaker 1: at this yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's my and
Speaker 1: I do love Saneo. Comic Con has been like my
Speaker 1: you know, home and love and stuff since my family's
Speaker 1: from San Diego, so it's been a huge part of
Speaker 1: my growing up. It was just watching it change, I
Speaker 1: think is why it was kind of just like relieved
Speaker 1: to get a break from it, because it is has
Speaker 1: turned very like I said, Hollywood, and so it just
Speaker 1: is kind of for me. I was like, oh, finally
Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with like the Hollywood networking
Speaker 1: like media con that it has become, and you know,
Speaker 1: can geek out about things with my friends on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Speaking of geeking out, UM, as you all know, every
Speaker 1: week we talked about something that we're nerding out about,
Speaker 1: and Chris, I wanted to ask you first, is there
Speaker 1: anything that you're super into right now? I'm so happy
Speaker 1: you asked that. So I think for me, I'm really
Speaker 1: excited about, you know, miss everything going up in flames
Speaker 1: and us in this time of heaval right now, I
Speaker 1: have been anticipating the game Ghost of Tsushima. Oh and
Speaker 1: can you tell people what it's about? I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it is a RPG made by Sucker Punch. It
Speaker 1: was announced in two thousand seven, two thousand sorry, two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. I believe UM and they were really inspired
Speaker 1: by Kurosawa films basically, UM, the very famous black and
Speaker 1: white samurai films. If you're not familiar with them, I
Speaker 1: was not until I heard about Sushima. That's how I
Speaker 1: get into a lot of things through video games. And UM,
Speaker 1: I've been actually watching Karrosawa films and kind of preparation
Speaker 1: for the game, and it's been really really educational and UM,
Speaker 1: the actor that he has in the two movies that
Speaker 1: I watched, Seven Samurai and Yo Jimbo. He is very
Speaker 1: very hot. He's dead now, but he's hot. Um. I
Speaker 1: think you would really like him, Danny. No. I mean
Speaker 1: I feel that way about the guy who plays Satan
Speaker 1: in The Holleen Man. He's past, but he'll live on
Speaker 1: very hotly in my heart. He just has like he
Speaker 1: just has like that level of drip before like drip
Speaker 1: was invented, you know, Like that's what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, Like he has like there's like this really
Speaker 1: great picture. I should send it to you. Like there's
Speaker 1: this great picture where he has like he does that
Speaker 1: thing where like he takes his arm and like he
Speaker 1: puts it back into his shirt and like he is
Speaker 1: like rubbing his five o'clock shadow like through um the
Speaker 1: neck hole of his uh yukata kimono. Situation. That was
Speaker 1: really hot that you did it, though. It was thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Um what about you, Emma, what
Speaker 1: are you geeking out about? Oh? Well? I finally came
Speaker 1: around to playing Persona five Royal. So I played the
Speaker 1: original Persona five, which was released in two thousands sixteen,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was early seventeen. Somewhere in that time period,
Speaker 1: um uh and I had been wanting to play Royal Edition,
Speaker 1: which is just like the expanded remastered version. They've added
Speaker 1: a bunch of new characters and new gameplay elements that
Speaker 1: actually are really really good. It makes it totally worth
Speaker 1: replaying a hundred plus our game. Um but I had
Speaker 1: not necessarily been ready to jump into it. So it
Speaker 1: came out right before the Final Fantasy seven remake was released.
Speaker 1: It came out like end of March, and Final Fantasy
Speaker 1: seven Remake came out April ten, So I went, I
Speaker 1: don't really want to get into this one. I know
Speaker 1: that I'm going to start the Final Fantasy seven remake.
Speaker 1: And then when I finished remake, I went, I don't
Speaker 1: really have the emotional energy for persone of five yet.
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, I was struck with
Speaker 1: I needed to play this game, and it has been
Speaker 1: so so much fun, particularly to play it on my
Speaker 1: Twitch stream with an audience. It's just like again, I'm
Speaker 1: loving all of the changes that they made to the game.
Speaker 1: The new characters are all super interesting. I just met
Speaker 1: the school psychologist, who was a new addition to Royal addition,
Speaker 1: and like, let me tell you, he keeps offering me
Speaker 1: to come to his office to have some snacks. You
Speaker 1: a snack onto yourself, Like, ah, this isn't anything new
Speaker 1: to the original game. That Danny just to let you
Speaker 1: know there are adults that have a crush on the
Speaker 1: high school boy. It's very complicated problem. Sorry, okay, I
Speaker 1: don't pay attention. No, yeah, but no, no, no, this
Speaker 1: this I just don't write me. I do not play
Speaker 1: this game. I don't know what you guys were talking about,
Speaker 1: but I just heard. No shame. Just know that there
Speaker 1: there is um equally as intense things happening in the
Speaker 1: original Yes, um yeah, this has not crossed any lines
Speaker 1: as of yet. But listen, he's I am an adult woman.
Speaker 1: I am into this character, an adult man. Let me
Speaker 1: be right, right right, there's there's game play. There's role playing,
Speaker 1: a role playing game. So you're right, you're right, You're right. Um.
Speaker 1: The thing that I'm geeking out about is actually uh
Speaker 1: an artist named Sailor Jubs. She's Julia Mellow. She's a
Speaker 1: Brazilian artist, and um, she needed too. She was taking
Speaker 1: commissions because she just moved and wanted to pay for
Speaker 1: her apartment, and so I bought up a bunch of
Speaker 1: commissions and had her do my friends and so she
Speaker 1: did amazing artwork, Like some of y'all saw it on
Speaker 1: my feed. It was so real. She got Danielle Radford
Speaker 1: who's been on our Buffy episode, Joel Monique, who is
Speaker 1: our producer who's listening right now. Um, she did Sabina
Speaker 1: Graves who was on our Haunted Mansion episode. She did
Speaker 1: my friend Kata and Dreusco. Like but just like so
Speaker 1: spot on, and I can tell you all, this is
Speaker 1: such a great gift. It wasn't even that much like
Speaker 1: she was. You know, she had full body or half
Speaker 1: body commissions where she would do a portrait of your
Speaker 1: friends and it's like such a great surprise, or like
Speaker 1: if it's someone's birthday, it was to be in his birthday,
Speaker 1: so I sent hers to her. But like, it was
Speaker 1: just so spot on, and it helped this independent artist
Speaker 1: pay for her apartment, and it also was a great
Speaker 1: gift for my friends. So again she goes by at
Speaker 1: sailor Jubs it's j U b S. And she is
Speaker 1: such a great artist and just really kind. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: when you posted those photos I or that artwork. Rather
Speaker 1: I scrolling through, I didn't have to like see who
Speaker 1: was tagged in which picture. I knew exactly who everybody was.
Speaker 1: It was so and it was so great and it
Speaker 1: was just like we all have different skin tones, we
Speaker 1: all have different hair textures, and like she was just
Speaker 1: able to capture everybody's beauty and um, that was just
Speaker 1: I just thought she did such a great job. So
Speaker 1: props to her. And we're talking about art today. Art.
Speaker 1: So for people who don't quite know or haven't heard
Speaker 1: the term DUGITSI like, what is that? Well, it is
Speaker 1: it is very simply fan created works that are typically
Speaker 1: derivative of, uh an existing piece of fiction. So while
Speaker 1: in the States, I think we tend to think of
Speaker 1: it as only being fan created comics, it also is
Speaker 1: a term that applies to like fan art collections or
Speaker 1: two published light novels. The key is is that it
Speaker 1: is people self publishing. Like I said, it is largely
Speaker 1: um work that is derivative of other works, but it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily like bottom line has to be in order
Speaker 1: to be considered Dogenci, Right, yeah, yeah, So the way
Speaker 1: I was going to explain it to people is like,
Speaker 1: if you know fan fiction, which is like if you
Speaker 1: read say, Harry Potter fan fiction, that's not written by J. K.
Speaker 1: Rowling or any of the other authors that have been involved.
Speaker 1: It is um by fans, and so this is fan
Speaker 1: created art. So it looks like manga, looks like a
Speaker 1: comic book. Um, very beautiful drawing some of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't really tell between the original manga d I
Speaker 1: mean you definitely come across Dogenci creators who are real
Speaker 1: good at mimicking the art style of the original. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the only difference between mainstream manga and original Dogenci
Speaker 1: Dogenci is that Dogenci is not public by a publishing company,
Speaker 1: itself published. Yeah, it's it's kind of the same way
Speaker 1: that fan works. And honestly, you know, like let's plays
Speaker 1: on video games, right, It's it's all done with the
Speaker 1: unspoken agreement between the fan community and the original creator
Speaker 1: that like, you know, okay, like you know, I'll I
Speaker 1: won't do anything because this is really good for the
Speaker 1: community and I want to support other artists, and this
Speaker 1: is a great way for artists to get their work
Speaker 1: out by using you know, in a pre existing I
Speaker 1: p so um. But if they wanted to they could. So,
Speaker 1: what was your first the first dogenci that you stumbled upon? Well,
Speaker 1: let me see, I I had a I really think
Speaker 1: I was aware of doginci in the same way that
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the US become aware of doginci.
Speaker 1: And and what I do believe is and really be
Speaker 1: attitude that a lot of Westerners have towards do ginci
Speaker 1: um is that it is all uh, adult in nature,
Speaker 1: shall we say? Um? So, I think the first sort
Speaker 1: of doginci that I ever came across it was just
Speaker 1: I was really into this um this computer game called
Speaker 1: Ragnarok Online. Uh, and for whatever reason, there was just
Speaker 1: an influx of dojinci um that was, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of of the tentacle porn variety, shall we say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I which I came across um. But I definitely
Speaker 1: also uh, as I got more involved in fandom and
Speaker 1: in fan works, Uh, the first ones I can remember
Speaker 1: where there was really like a story to be followed,
Speaker 1: and they weren't all necessarily like really explicit in nature,
Speaker 1: though they were like shown and I stories are like
Speaker 1: boys love, which is a big um sub genre with
Speaker 1: INJOGINCHI in particular, but it was like Gundam wing Um
Speaker 1: because that was airing onto Nami in like early two thousand's,
Speaker 1: I want to say. And so at that point we
Speaker 1: had also like just gotten high speed internet. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I I did what all not all, but many many
Speaker 1: young women who get into that particular show or any
Speaker 1: any other number of shows where the majority of characters
Speaker 1: are the primary characters are young attractive men, you know,
Speaker 1: b shownn um. And I started off being like, I
Speaker 1: don't really like any of the girls on this show.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write fan fiction um. And I was writing
Speaker 1: like Mary sus um, which if you don't know what
Speaker 1: a Mary Sue is, it's a It's a very uh
Speaker 1: idealized female character, often seen a sort of a self
Speaker 1: insert when creating fan works. But then I pivoted completely
Speaker 1: into being like, no, I want these boys to kiss
Speaker 1: each other um and uh and yeah, so I would
Speaker 1: say that there there was definitely some like Hiro Duo,
Speaker 1: Gundham wing Ocean she that I And it was the
Speaker 1: same thing where it's like I started with like dipping
Speaker 1: my even though again I'd already I had gone like
Speaker 1: full tentacle porn, and I was like I need to
Speaker 1: step back from this. So I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is like kind of a nice love story and like
Speaker 1: they kiss but it's not anything explicit, or maybe they
Speaker 1: even just hold hands, but you know that. I then
Speaker 1: I pivoted into full on pornography. But yeah, wow, what
Speaker 1: about you, Chris. Yeah, so I started. I can remember
Speaker 1: it like it was yesterday. Um, it was Naruto and
Speaker 1: Sauce easily. And I definitely was kind of in the
Speaker 1: similar trajectory of like, Okay, you know this is shown
Speaker 1: and I, which is known to be not porn you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's very light romance. It's about the romance, not
Speaker 1: about the sex, you know. And so I was like, hmmm,
Speaker 1: this is a little boring for me. I want something
Speaker 1: a little bit more raunchy than this. I want to
Speaker 1: see them actually do things. And so I looked further.
Speaker 1: I found what I wanted, and I also found a
Speaker 1: lot more narrowto ships, because I mean there's so many
Speaker 1: characters in there. Obviously it's tread or show really um
Speaker 1: awesome as Sen Sa Kakashi and Dha Sen say um.
Speaker 1: And then I think that was kind of like my
Speaker 1: gateway into ntai proper. And then my gateway into actual
Speaker 1: porn with real people. There's this weird trajectory. I I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I've told Emma this before on the podcast Live,
Speaker 1: where I had this weird sense of like, oh, these
Speaker 1: aren't real people, and so like I'm better than most
Speaker 1: of the people that are actually watching actual porn, Like
Speaker 1: that's for the really raunchy and sinful people in this world.
Speaker 1: And then I just joined them. That's so funny to
Speaker 1: be like I'm observing art. Yes, yes, that I think
Speaker 1: that is exactly the attitude that that a lot of
Speaker 1: people have is yeah, you're like, these these are drawings,
Speaker 1: this is artwork. Somebody like took the time to do this.
Speaker 1: I mean they are very beautiful, meticulous art, but also
Speaker 1: boobies yep, yep. Um mine was I talked on y'all's podcast,
Speaker 1: and mine was Vegeta and Boma from Dragon ball Z.
Speaker 1: Because I think when you look for it's the same
Speaker 1: reason you reach out and read fan fiction is when
Speaker 1: you're looking up do Ginci is because you're looking for more.
Speaker 1: You want to like see the things that they're not
Speaker 1: showing on the show. Yes, exactly right, exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you're like, what what is happening when they're not fighting?
Speaker 1: What is happening when the TV turns off? And so um.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was looking at Vegeta Boma and
Speaker 1: they have beautiful, great, also very sexual um strips, you know,
Speaker 1: these manga strips of them. So we're actually going to
Speaker 1: dive into the history of do Ginci right after this
Speaker 1: and we're back. I'm still here with Emma and Chris.
Speaker 1: We're trying to not be too spicies, just spicy enough
Speaker 1: because y'all are gonna y'all are gonna go and look
Speaker 1: at you know, we will tweet some of our favorites
Speaker 1: that were allowed to allowed to post, so okay, so
Speaker 1: we'll we'll get more into this as we get deeper
Speaker 1: into the history of DOI. But one of the reasons
Speaker 1: that do has been able to continue to exist without
Speaker 1: any pushback from publishers is because it doesn't have mass
Speaker 1: market distribution. Yeah, I mean that's true. They can sell
Speaker 1: it though, because by so technically they are making money
Speaker 1: off of To me, it kind of reminds me though,
Speaker 1: like we were just talking about Comic Con, when you
Speaker 1: go to artists Ali and the print of Iron Man
Speaker 1: and so that artist is able to make you know
Speaker 1: their own R in their style, but using an I
Speaker 1: Marvel I P. But however they can make money off
Speaker 1: of it, correct, Yeah. Yeah. Usually the way that I've
Speaker 1: noticed that a lot of people sell it if they
Speaker 1: decided to sell it online, you know, like publicly like
Speaker 1: easily findable, is they won't name the I P that
Speaker 1: it's from or the character. Right then it'll be like,
Speaker 1: you know, if they're selling like a Sailor moon fan
Speaker 1: at Princess something that reminds me of like in Mexico
Speaker 1: there's dragon ball Z toys and it will just be
Speaker 1: Power Up Man and it'll be like like it'll just
Speaker 1: be like but it'll be Superman's body and Goku's hair.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, amazing Golden Power Boy. Okay. So the
Speaker 1: history of jo gin Shei. The pioneer among jo ginchi
Speaker 1: magazines was actually Morning Bell. It was published in the
Speaker 1: early Meiji period since eighteen seventy four. It's not a
Speaker 1: literary magazine, but it played a big and spreading the
Speaker 1: idea of dogin she So. The first magazine to publish
Speaker 1: do gin Shei novels was Library of Odds and Ends.
Speaker 1: It was founded in eighteen eighty five by writers Ozaki
Speaker 1: Koyo and Yamada Bimo. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: all the way back then. Yeah. I also, I also
Speaker 1: love the name Library of Odds and Ends. I think
Speaker 1: that's such a cute name. I know, it sounds like
Speaker 1: it could be like a cute Netflix show that they
Speaker 1: like Visit Different. Yeah, it's it is. It's really interesting
Speaker 1: to see people that are pioneering in the field of
Speaker 1: like self publishing or publishing fan derivative works. It's amazing
Speaker 1: to think, like, oh man, because I mean you think
Speaker 1: about it, I'll bet that back in the day, in
Speaker 1: the in the days of like the Greeks and Greek mythology,
Speaker 1: there were people out there that were that were writing
Speaker 1: fan fiction about the gods. I mean, that's basically what
Speaker 1: it was. It was all just like word of mouth
Speaker 1: stories being like, yo, if you heard this story about Zeus, no,
Speaker 1: tell me more, you know, right, I mean, like he
Speaker 1: owns the rights to that, No, yeah, exactly exactly. So
Speaker 1: fast forward to Comic cat which is the world's largest
Speaker 1: comic convention. Is that still true to this day? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, it's certainly in terms
Speaker 1: of the distribution of dojin Chi. Comic Cat is like
Speaker 1: the event. Oh I would I would say that Comic
Speaker 1: Cat is actually so well known that is actually featured
Speaker 1: in like Slice of Life anime world, you know, like
Speaker 1: especially right when when you have anime that's about like
Speaker 1: manga cow or people that really love drawing, or people
Speaker 1: that are into Yawi, which yes, there are animals that
Speaker 1: are now about people that like Yawi. Yeah. Can you
Speaker 1: tell people that Yeaowe is for people that don't know
Speaker 1: yea and I would I would love to Danny think
Speaker 1: so much. Um Yawe is basically manga that is implied
Speaker 1: to be smutty that's usually between two men and with
Speaker 1: very large hands. Funny, how funny? Um okay So. Comic Head,
Speaker 1: which is the world's largest comic convention We've fast forward
Speaker 1: uh century, is held twice a year in Tokyo, Japan,
Speaker 1: and the first one was held in December with only
Speaker 1: thirty two participating circles and an estimated six hundred attendees. However,
Speaker 1: about eight of them were female, which I find so fascinating,
Speaker 1: like scrapping, Yeah, because women were having a hard time
Speaker 1: getting published. Imagine that, uh So, I think that is
Speaker 1: why there is a lot of participation from women. And also,
Speaker 1: as Chris and I've talked about pretty extensively even on
Speaker 1: this episode of the podcast. Up to this point, there
Speaker 1: is this big market for yahwee and shown and I stuff, um,
Speaker 1: which wouldn't necessarily be published by publishers because you're dealing
Speaker 1: with a taboo subject of homosexuality. Um. Even though a
Speaker 1: lot of the time the shown and I and yahwe
Speaker 1: stuff is a little problematic because it's really women projecting
Speaker 1: their sexual fantasies into a scenario wherein there are no women.
Speaker 1: It's gotten a lot better in more recent years. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean because because of that, it was
Speaker 1: it was allowing women to put work out there to
Speaker 1: be purchased by other women. Yeah. And that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you like so much of um DOGENTI.
Speaker 1: At least the ones that I am into is very romantic.
Speaker 1: It's very like heavy. You can feel that even the men.
Speaker 1: We talked about this on my episode of the show,
Speaker 1: they are kind of drama in a feminine way. There's
Speaker 1: so much really female gayzey boma and do a boma
Speaker 1: and vegeta DOGENI. It's kind of amazing, especially when you
Speaker 1: consider the fact that that dragon Ball on a base
Speaker 1: level is marketed towards men, towards boards specifically. Um. But
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, you do have all of
Speaker 1: these women fans, I think that's another reason why you
Speaker 1: do see so many um, dog Chi Car Doginci creators,
Speaker 1: uh and Dogenci circles. So so like creators kind of
Speaker 1: all come together when it comes to do Ginci, and
Speaker 1: unlike in manga where typically it's the same person who's
Speaker 1: drawing and writing the story, with Dogencia, a lot of
Speaker 1: the time you will find like, oh, so and so
Speaker 1: did the art, but some other person did the story
Speaker 1: or somebody did the backgrounds, and like they're ultimately kind
Speaker 1: of giving more credit than like a single manga car
Speaker 1: who certainly has assistance. Um. But I think, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like you're also dealing with all of these women that
Speaker 1: enjoy uh media that is more targeted towards men, but
Speaker 1: they're getting something out of it, and so, as you say, Danny,
Speaker 1: like they want to write those stories of what we're
Speaker 1: not seeing when they're not fighting. You know, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of the sense of removing the male gaze and
Speaker 1: just really making work that appeals to that sensibility, right,
Speaker 1: because you know, obviously probably men were still uh inserting
Speaker 1: themselves into everything back then. So which isn't to say
Speaker 1: that there's not a lot of really weird you know,
Speaker 1: objectifying of women that happens in do jin chi and
Speaker 1: stuff that's really male gazey. Oh, that is very much
Speaker 1: out there as well, absolutely, um, and I think, oh sorry, Um,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to also mention, like I wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of emphasize how secretive this whole especially, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had to be back then, right, because it even came
Speaker 1: in the term which we discussed in our podcast of
Speaker 1: the term fujoshi, which is referring to the women that
Speaker 1: enjoy Yawi and shann and I, and basically, roughly translated,
Speaker 1: it means rotten women like rotten, like like fermented rotten,
Speaker 1: you know, like ye smelly smelly. Yeah. So so okay,
Speaker 1: so women who enjoy gay art essentially as run. But
Speaker 1: is that term also for the men or is it
Speaker 1: just the women that are So it's it's a really interesting, uh,
Speaker 1: this situation because you know, we've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: shoon and I in about Yahwi, which is created almost
Speaker 1: exclusively by women and for women. There's another completely separate
Speaker 1: subset of like gay porn effectively in the dogon Chi market,
Speaker 1: which is bata, which is like fours that is actually
Speaker 1: created like four gay men. It's very it's very interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I wasn't aware that Yeahwi was mainly for what
Speaker 1: it's for women and it's almost exclusively created by women.
Speaker 1: I did not, I know, isn't that fascinating? Well, Chris,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope this is okay because we're such
Speaker 1: close friends. But like, was that I mean when you
Speaker 1: said that you were watching Yeah, like are looking at
Speaker 1: yahwe like when you were maybe before you came out
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like I guess I'm trying to say, like
Speaker 1: is it since it's just for women, but it seems
Speaker 1: like a lot of gay men are consuming it and
Speaker 1: finding Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, you know, obviously, I definitely
Speaker 1: think we're in a point right now where a lot
Speaker 1: of men have been inspired by yeawe that was originally
Speaker 1: started by women, and now there are plenty of gay
Speaker 1: artists that I do follow that um also participate in
Speaker 1: this Yahwe seen. But um, yeah, definitely, I think it
Speaker 1: would be more apt to kind of talk about. I
Speaker 1: think M also has plenty of examples to about just
Speaker 1: like kind of the maybe the aspects of problematic nous
Speaker 1: that we've seen, because I think they're pretty common. Like
Speaker 1: the most common that I've seen is like two guys
Speaker 1: and then this guy who's like, you know, a ladies man.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you know, I usually don't go for guys,
Speaker 1: but it's a common trope in porn. Yeah. Yeah. Another
Speaker 1: thing that comes up a lot I feel like is
Speaker 1: again it's even though it is two men, they're still
Speaker 1: very clearly defined roles as far as like who the
Speaker 1: more feminine one is the more submissive one, in which
Speaker 1: one is the like dude in this relationship. And as
Speaker 1: I say, like, this is something that has gotten better
Speaker 1: over time. Um, but you know, especially if you look
Speaker 1: at some some early examples, it's like, okay, well, all right,
Speaker 1: this is about two men, but really it's about women
Speaker 1: being okay with enjoying sex. Like truly, that's what I
Speaker 1: think of, you know, and you prefaced this before we
Speaker 1: got you know, at the top of this times. But digen,
Speaker 1: she is not just sexual, No, it's not at all,
Speaker 1: Like there are their entire threads and volumes that don't
Speaker 1: have sex. It's just when you're this is often a
Speaker 1: lot of kids that are into anime. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like what we're all saying, like this is our the
Speaker 1: break between this and like actual people are watching ports
Speaker 1: like when we're exploring I think I found it in
Speaker 1: middle school, and so you're kind of just like, who
Speaker 1: are these characters that I trust? Right? It feels like
Speaker 1: a safe space because this is like your your animated
Speaker 1: show that you're into, but it has some adult themes
Speaker 1: most anime does, um, and so now you're kind of saying, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is their dating life. Okay, so this is okay,
Speaker 1: they've gone on a couple of dates now and they
Speaker 1: like each other, and now they're gonna possibly explore sleeping together.
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of like y a novel, like totally,
Speaker 1: so they're not all yeah, they're not all sexual, and
Speaker 1: like I really do want to say that it's a
Speaker 1: lot of them is just like regular comic books. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and even as you say some of the ones that
Speaker 1: are are sexual, it does have that gradual build up
Speaker 1: two characters being intimate with one another, and so I
Speaker 1: you know, I think as far as do Ginci goes
Speaker 1: in some ways, Japan ends almost more respectful of fan
Speaker 1: derivative works than the US is because again, as we saw,
Speaker 1: this kind of publication has been going on in Japan
Speaker 1: since the hundreds, um, which is crazy. Uh, but which
Speaker 1: isn't to say that it hasn't been happening in the US.
Speaker 1: And certainly, you know, early examples of fan fiction and
Speaker 1: things in order to get any sort of distribution prior
Speaker 1: to the Internet would appear in things like science fiction
Speaker 1: magazines and other little publications like that. Um. But I
Speaker 1: think that there's this weird stigma in the US against
Speaker 1: fan fiction that is getting better of like that somehow
Speaker 1: it does not take skill, it is not art and
Speaker 1: yeah in some respects sure, but but Japan really has
Speaker 1: this attitude with Ginchy of well, these artists need to
Speaker 1: get experience. Uh, they need to get some kind of exposure.
Speaker 1: And so you know, big publishing companies are absolutely looking
Speaker 1: at what's out there in the dogen C market and going, hey,
Speaker 1: this person is really good. We should hire them to
Speaker 1: do something. And in addition to again providing you with
Speaker 1: an outlet to just create and not have to worry
Speaker 1: about creating the world just taking characters that you already
Speaker 1: know when you already like all of that is really positive.
Speaker 1: And then, as you say, Danny, there is the sexual
Speaker 1: aspect of it as well, because again it is not
Speaker 1: exclusively adult in nature, but the stuff that is you
Speaker 1: as a teen, because I'm I'm the same as you.
Speaker 1: I think I read my first Dogen when I was
Speaker 1: in middle school or early high school, and you are
Speaker 1: then able to kind of like explore your sexuality in
Speaker 1: a really safe way, yeah, and talk to the most
Speaker 1: of like the places that I would UM frequent had
Speaker 1: like chat rooms and stuff that I was I was
Speaker 1: in and we would talk about the DOGENTI that we
Speaker 1: had read, or the fan fiction that we read. We
Speaker 1: would link the fan fiction that we liked, and it's
Speaker 1: just you know, I was just thinking about this as
Speaker 1: I'm like working on this show right now that is
Speaker 1: has middle schoolers as the main um characters, and it's
Speaker 1: really fascinating because it's such an necessary you know, they're
Speaker 1: not quite a little kids anymore, You're not quite they're
Speaker 1: not quite adults, and like it's still a necessary conversation
Speaker 1: for both middle school and high school. I think the
Speaker 1: hands off approach of like pretending that they're not going
Speaker 1: to get you know, exploring or whatever is so not helpful,
Speaker 1: and even a lot of times people try to spin
Speaker 1: it to be perverse, like, well, you're talking about kids
Speaker 1: and sex like no, but also I lost my virginia
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, and it would be great
Speaker 1: if I had. You know, a lot of those are
Speaker 1: virginities as teenagers, and like it's in most media, most
Speaker 1: shows that you watch about high schoolers or college I
Speaker 1: mean or college kids. But like most shows that you
Speaker 1: watch that have high schoolers or movies that have high schoolers,
Speaker 1: they're exploring, and I think that it's instead of hands off,
Speaker 1: like you can't watch this, you can't look at this,
Speaker 1: you can't whatever, is more like, let me make sure
Speaker 1: you have the resources so you know what consent is,
Speaker 1: so you know what um you know protection and think
Speaker 1: like I'm just so in the opposite direction where I'm
Speaker 1: very like and that's what I mean when I say
Speaker 1: sex positive, and it's like, you know, I lost my
Speaker 1: virginity to another teenager, so it wasn't like you know
Speaker 1: those things to and that's okay, And we need to
Speaker 1: like normalize having these conversations about like not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I had to hide everything from my parents. And I
Speaker 1: think I think that's why people when they hear di
Speaker 1: Genti or anime. Even when they hear anime, they immediately
Speaker 1: think of tentacle, tentacle porn and hent I like um,
Speaker 1: and it's just seen as like that's one aspect of it.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of exploring these relate what dating is
Speaker 1: like when you're in middle school in high school, you
Speaker 1: I think my first boyfriend, you know, we only like
Speaker 1: mad my made out or whatever. But like I think
Speaker 1: my first boyfriend was in middle school, and so it's
Speaker 1: like you're starting to develop. And even if my parents
Speaker 1: were like, no, don't do it, I'm still going to
Speaker 1: do it. And so it's just like allowing kids to
Speaker 1: have art and literature that is, treats them like in
Speaker 1: a respectable way of what they're dealing with and not
Speaker 1: like they're dumb, like you know, idiot said, don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on. That's a really good point because I
Speaker 1: never really thought about it. But really it was do
Speaker 1: Ginci that gave me a sense of representation actually for
Speaker 1: the first time in my right sure. Yeah, like like
Speaker 1: literally it was fan works. Yeah, and so there needs
Speaker 1: to be, like I think, just a level of respect
Speaker 1: for this art and think of the people that are
Speaker 1: making them. They probably are also dealing with those issues
Speaker 1: of sexual identity, totally interpression, oppression, not being able to
Speaker 1: come out to their family. So this has definitely been
Speaker 1: a safe space. I feel for a lot of us.
Speaker 1: We have to take a really quick break, so much
Speaker 1: more to talk about. We're gonna talk about a little
Speaker 1: bit more of its history and the future. Right after
Speaker 1: these messages we are back. I'm still here with Emma
Speaker 1: and Chris. So for people that are new to do Genti, like,
Speaker 1: what is this word? They keep saying, what are some
Speaker 1: like famous anime that have really cool do Genti that
Speaker 1: you would be like, Oh, if you're into this, you
Speaker 1: should check out this. Okay, Listen, I went full tilt
Speaker 1: into do Gentci again as as an adult, again as
Speaker 1: a as a teen. I was real good at the Internet.
Speaker 1: I was fine at all this do Genti. I was
Speaker 1: reading that that gunn Bing stuff, I was reading the
Speaker 1: dragon Ball, sailor Moon all of it. What really tilted
Speaker 1: me right back into it because actually, ury on Ice nice. Okay,
Speaker 1: So some people that don't know that can you explain
Speaker 1: it to ury on ice is a gay fake your
Speaker 1: skating anime. It's beautiful and it also was kind of
Speaker 1: I don't want to say revolutionary, but it was important
Speaker 1: from the perspective of it. Really was it amidst all
Speaker 1: of the amazing figure skating drama. By the way, I
Speaker 1: watched this show like it was real figure skating. I
Speaker 1: was like freaking out when people would skate. Um. But
Speaker 1: there is this very wholesome gay love story in it
Speaker 1: that's not really refuted. It's so interesting because there's a
Speaker 1: scene in it where the two main characters kiss, but
Speaker 1: like the like URI's just finished skating, and so like
Speaker 1: Victor like jumps onto the ice to give him a hug,
Speaker 1: and like the angle of his arm is such that
Speaker 1: you can't see that the two of them are kissing.
Speaker 1: But like, it was mostly Western fans that were like
Speaker 1: that was a cheap shot and did the kiss I
Speaker 1: don't know, And the creator was basically like, well it
Speaker 1: was in Japan, nobody needed any additional confirmation. But again,
Speaker 1: you're you're dealing with a with a disconnected cultures there, um,
Speaker 1: I think. But yeah, so there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: real good Uryon Nice. Uh, there's a lot, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good do What about you, Chris, is there
Speaker 1: anything that you would recommend for people to like google
Speaker 1: or look up if they're like wanting to get into it.
Speaker 1: That depends if they want to dip their toes and
Speaker 1: if they want to jump in head first. What is
Speaker 1: one that's like not sexual that you guys are like this?
Speaker 1: You know anyone could read this well. I will say
Speaker 1: that because I think that's one of the reasons that
Speaker 1: I like the Yuryon Nice stuff is because it hasn't range. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of nice slice of life stories in there,
Speaker 1: and there's there's a lot of nice hardcore stuff in
Speaker 1: there too. Um, I would say, and again and again,
Speaker 1: we're getting into that conversation of the it's teenagers, like
Speaker 1: how can you how can you talk about teenagers sleeping
Speaker 1: with each other? And that goes back to what you
Speaker 1: were saying Danny Twilight. Yeah, although I guess he was
Speaker 1: like three years you know what gross, But Twilight, like
Speaker 1: when I think of sorry, I mean to cut you
Speaker 1: off the phone, and I think the dogin that I
Speaker 1: was into it was like adjacent to Twilight. It was
Speaker 1: that heavy like Vampire, which they do have Vampire do Ginci.
Speaker 1: It was like that, like will they won't they crawling
Speaker 1: into her bedroom and that's like such a teenage like
Speaker 1: we saw that in Scream. We saw that and clear
Speaker 1: explains at all. It's like such a teenage trope, but
Speaker 1: like that's what we think of teenagers, Like how am
Speaker 1: I going to sneak out and get my teenage boyfriend?
Speaker 1: And like I think in that context, it's like it's
Speaker 1: you know, people are prudes, is what I'm saying. Totally totally.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, there's a lot there's a
Speaker 1: lot of really good my hero Academia do Ginci. That
Speaker 1: is I was gonna say, that's just about like the
Speaker 1: relationship between the characters. Now, be warned if if you're
Speaker 1: freaked out, and I respect it that you're like, but
Speaker 1: they're teenagers. I don't want to see any sexy stuff
Speaker 1: with teenagers and I get that. I respect that, But again,
Speaker 1: it's like it is largely teenagers hooking up with other
Speaker 1: people their own age. So but I just be aware,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. But there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: good not sexy stuff there as well. Um, and just
Speaker 1: some really good, good art. And I want to say,
Speaker 1: if you're a parent instead of being like my parents
Speaker 1: who got sex books from the library and just left
Speaker 1: them in my bedroom, um, and didn't talk to me
Speaker 1: about them, just like rented them and put them out there.
Speaker 1: And it was, you know, two couples like going at
Speaker 1: it or like this is what happens when you grow
Speaker 1: start growing hair here, Um, you can always give you know,
Speaker 1: give give these more. Um why a focused art and
Speaker 1: comics to your teen who is you know, exploring or whatever? Um,
Speaker 1: so they feel seen and okay and and you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny that you mentioned hair because in dog she
Speaker 1: usually everybody is a smooth of the the baby's but
Speaker 1: yeah everyone in waxes yeah. Um. But uh, to answer
Speaker 1: your question, Danny, Um, I think I would say if
Speaker 1: you know anime, if you have an anime that you like,
Speaker 1: and if you know that it's popular, you most likely
Speaker 1: will be able to find a very wide range of things.
Speaker 1: Like M said, I think, just go to a reputable
Speaker 1: um fan work site like my Reading Manga to be
Speaker 1: aware of these webs The ads on these websites are
Speaker 1: more aggressive than most of the content. That's very true.
Speaker 1: I I block those out because I'm just so used
Speaker 1: to it. Um. Uh yeah, my reading manga or another
Speaker 1: site like that. Careful, you know, uh, don't go to
Speaker 1: anything that looks to seed and don't any links the
Speaker 1: filtering use the filtering functions, they're very great. They have
Speaker 1: filtering functions about what you can search up shown an
Speaker 1: eye or b L and not search for smut borne
Speaker 1: Um are there any so this is a great question
Speaker 1: from Joel Monique, producer. Are there any characters whose work
Speaker 1: better in Dogenti than in their original book? Or? Oh? Crap?
Speaker 1: I think that's such an interesting question, right, because the
Speaker 1: reason why people would make a Dogenti about a work
Speaker 1: is because they really resonate with the characters to the
Speaker 1: point that where they would want to labor over drawing
Speaker 1: them and write an entirely new story, because doing both
Speaker 1: drawing and writing the story and all of that is
Speaker 1: a lot of work. So yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's so much that like they necessarily work better in
Speaker 1: the fan derivative works. However, I will say, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing it back to something like for me in my
Speaker 1: my early Dogenti reading days with like a Gundam wing
Speaker 1: part of the reason that show was so successful is
Speaker 1: because there was this really dedicated uh female fan base
Speaker 1: around it that we're creating all of this shown and
Speaker 1: I and this yahwe content around it, um and and
Speaker 1: again and it it wasn't even so much alike, oh
Speaker 1: this is better. But you know, listen, the show was animated,
Speaker 1: so at the time you would get a lot more
Speaker 1: like detail in terms of drawing the characters faces, uh
Speaker 1: and such in manga. Um. And so for for me,
Speaker 1: like reading some of that DOGENTI I'm like, I'm like, dang,
Speaker 1: Like Zex looks pretty good in uh in the show,
Speaker 1: but he looks real good here. Yeah. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say that. I don't know if I've ever seen a
Speaker 1: work that I feel like it's better because but I
Speaker 1: think there's a sense of building off of something that's
Speaker 1: a good foundation, right, because it's kind of like how
Speaker 1: not re anime is like Ryan Ice, where it's the
Speaker 1: romance is clearly clearly there. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: works where an ems that are about subtext and purely
Speaker 1: subtext because you know it was made a while ago
Speaker 1: or something, and you know it was not safe for
Speaker 1: them to create something like that. Yeah, yeah, um or
Speaker 1: so so so for me, it's more about like, oh
Speaker 1: in these example is um Studio triggers pro Mayer, Right, Like,
Speaker 1: there is subtext and something does implied to be there,
Speaker 1: and so it's great that there is fan works that
Speaker 1: exists to kind of turn that subtext into non subtext
Speaker 1: and to make it real. Um, I know that this.
Speaker 1: This is pretty cool that many Japanese publishing companies actually
Speaker 1: sponsor annual manga competitions in which the winner is awarded
Speaker 1: the publication of they're winning, so they're been a story,
Speaker 1: so they'll end up publishing it. So are there other
Speaker 1: stories that you've heard of Dogenci artists who end up
Speaker 1: going on to being manga and animators. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the most famous example is Clamp Clamp who created
Speaker 1: Cardcaper Soccer, um Cho Bitz, Tokyo Babylon like all like
Speaker 1: they have a huge, huge body of work. Uh and
Speaker 1: they were a do Ginci circle and to this day
Speaker 1: they still all work together to publish all of their work. Um.
Speaker 1: But I mean they they started they started off as
Speaker 1: a Dogini circle. They were writing um Your Royd and
Speaker 1: Samurai Troopers. Doin they were writing Devilman dojinci Um. You
Speaker 1: can still find it. It's amazing. And then you know
Speaker 1: they were so talented that they went on to be
Speaker 1: like some of the most successful women uh manga car
Speaker 1: that there are, yes, we stand love Car Caper Soccer
Speaker 1: and code gas Um. And also it's so funny because
Speaker 1: they've they've created such an interesting body of work that
Speaker 1: they literally created Spasa Chronicles that literally takes ter from
Speaker 1: the existing original ips and puts them together in its
Speaker 1: own universe. It's very very funny and very epic. Well,
Speaker 1: and I imagine this is like a portfolio for them,
Speaker 1: Like it's a portfolio. And then it you know, amass
Speaker 1: to having like thousands, sometimes millions of like readers. So
Speaker 1: now that the digital now that we have things like
Speaker 1: Patreon and other sites like has it because y'all own
Speaker 1: physical copies of Digenti that you can order, but like
Speaker 1: right right that you could, but like, how do people
Speaker 1: now have their own type of It's it's really interesting
Speaker 1: because I I have definitely seen that happen more and
Speaker 1: more now with people that do have Patreons that they
Speaker 1: will sort of publish full comics that are behind the
Speaker 1: paywall of their patreon um, which is awesome. Um I
Speaker 1: and and obviously you have things now like web tune
Speaker 1: and there's just there's so many more ways that people
Speaker 1: can distribute their original work and you know, get compensation
Speaker 1: for it because of the Internet. Yeah, I I frequent
Speaker 1: many a Patreon. That's all I'll say about that. UM, well,
Speaker 1: will definitely y'all can shoot me over some of your
Speaker 1: favorites and we can include links for everyone. Um this
Speaker 1: has been a great intro to do ginshi one oh one,
Speaker 1: just talking about you know, how it got started, how
Speaker 1: we got started into hit um emma, where can everyone
Speaker 1: catch you? You can find me all over the internet
Speaker 1: at my name M A five wherever m A five's
Speaker 1: are sold. I got a lot. I got a lot
Speaker 1: of projects and things that I'm working on, a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that hasn't been announced yet, so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna announce it. So just make sure you're following me
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and then also you can find me on
Speaker 1: my twitch channel twitch dot tv slash m A five
Speaker 1: I Tip Bickley stream Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, uh starting
Speaker 1: at noon. Though because of other work stuff that I'm
Speaker 1: working on right now, my schedule has been a little wonky. Uh.
Speaker 1: So you know social media, it's the place to be
Speaker 1: love it. What about you, Chris, Um, you can find
Speaker 1: me anywhere at One Winged Chris. It's like one winged Angel,
Speaker 1: like Zefroth. Uh. And also please catch me and Emma's
Speaker 1: uh podcasting. I was trying to decide whether or I
Speaker 1: should be like, wait, Emma, don't we have a podcast
Speaker 1: just super super cheat cheese ad. Right? So Emma and
Speaker 1: Chris have an entire podcast that's dedicated to jijen chi
Speaker 1: and talking about it in their favorites. In each week
Speaker 1: they bring on someone. I was on for one to
Speaker 1: talk about vegeta and boma, which is my favorite pairing.
Speaker 1: Um if he was also yeah, yeah, so and I
Speaker 1: remember it was started. I think from a conversation that
Speaker 1: we were all happy. Yeah, yeah it was Danny basically
Speaker 1: had tweeted something saying like, don't send me porn. I
Speaker 1: don't want it unless it's m R Gina Balmadog and
Speaker 1: then please send the day. So I jumped in and
Speaker 1: I was like, I would also like it. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it's hard to It's not hard to find good ones,
Speaker 1: but when you find good when you find good ones,
Speaker 1: you're they're great and you want to Yeah, for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: I am at miss Danny Fernandez on all the things.
Speaker 1: Remember that I will be on sci Fi's The Great
Speaker 1: Debate this month. I'm in two episodes. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: exactly when they drop. I think I'm in this week's
Speaker 1: maybe or next week's um, but I'm definitely in the
Speaker 1: last episode, which we shot right the day that I
Speaker 1: think we had to shelter in place, so there was
Speaker 1: no studio audience on that last final episode. Very fascinating
Speaker 1: and they also like checked our temperatures at the set
Speaker 1: and like we were all set to go, and then
Speaker 1: it was like are we going to do this? Um?
Speaker 1: So it was all of us just making each other laugh.
Speaker 1: It's a really good time and a really good show. So, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you see it, screenshot it for
Speaker 1: me and tag me um, and we are going to
Speaker 1: this week. We'll post some of our favorite do gin
Speaker 1: cheese so you can see what we're talking about and
Speaker 1: hopefully you can get into it too. And again supporting
Speaker 1: independent artists. So yeah, like we always say, stay nerdy,