WEBVTT - S2 E10: Lone Wolf

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Law and Order Criminal Justice System, a

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<v Speaker 2>May fourteenth, twenty twenty two, two thirty pm, Buffalo, New York.

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<v Speaker 1>The hum of a Saturday afternoon at Top's Friendly Supermarket,

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<v Speaker 1>shopping carts rolling across pavement, families moving through the aisles.

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<v Speaker 3>Then screams, we are following reports of a mass shooting

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<v Speaker 3>at Tops Supermarket in Buffalo, New York. Police say there

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<v Speaker 3>are are quote multiple victims, but other details are scarce

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<v Speaker 3>and there is still a large police presence on sceen.

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<v Speaker 1>Gunfire echoed through the store. Each shot ricocheted off tailand steel.

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<v Speaker 1>Customers ducked behind shelves, workers pressed themselves flat against the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>In less than five minutes, ten lives were gone, and

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<v Speaker 1>across the city's East side, words spread at lightning speed

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<v Speaker 1>phones rang as sirens wailed. What had begun as an

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary trip for groceries had become a community's darkest hour.

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<v Speaker 4>When I first saw him shooting, he shot a woman,

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<v Speaker 4>he shot a deacon, he shot another woman, and then

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<v Speaker 4>he went in the store and started shooting again.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't know who he was shooting at because

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<v Speaker 5>he shot at least eight eight people.

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<v Speaker 6>So he came feel safe in your own neighborhood. People

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<v Speaker 6>come over here.

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<v Speaker 5>What are we suits on shooting people?

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<v Speaker 6>This is what DULs.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a call. Get out to LaGuardia Airport. There's

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<v Speaker 5>been a bombing. There was a thirty two foot crater

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<v Speaker 5>in front of what was left of the building.

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<v Speaker 7>I was trying to figure out, am I dead? Am

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<v Speaker 7>I alive? Where am I?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Aniseega Nicolazi.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why terrorism works. It doesn't care who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>From Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts, this is law and order,

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<v Speaker 1>criminal justice system. Buffalo, New York, sits on the edge

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<v Speaker 1>of Lake Erie, where the water meets the city's skyline.

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<v Speaker 1>Its streets stretch outward into old steel towns and quiet neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a place shaped by industry and weather, known for

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<v Speaker 1>its resilience as much as for its long winters. But

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the surface, Buffalo is also a city marked by

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<v Speaker 1>deep divides between its west side and its east side,

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<v Speaker 1>between privilege and poverty. It's also the place where Garnell

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<v Speaker 1>Whitfield grew up then served his community for over three decades.

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<v Speaker 5>I was a Commissioner of Fire, an emergency management for

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<v Speaker 5>the city of Buffalo, and did thirty four years with

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<v Speaker 5>the fire Department.

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<v Speaker 1>Garnell knows the city like the back of his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>On the east side sat a single supermarket known as Tops.

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<v Speaker 1>It stood on Jefferson Avenue, on a street that used

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<v Speaker 1>to be a thriving corridor for black businesses, but has

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<v Speaker 1>since endured decades of disinvestment. It was a rare anchor

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<v Speaker 1>in a neighborhood long abandoned.

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<v Speaker 5>Tops is the only market on the east side of Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a food desert where eighty ninety percent of people

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<v Speaker 5>of color live in Buffalo, New York.

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<v Speaker 1>For thousands of families. This carried meaning far greater than

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<v Speaker 1>it's square footage.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a lifeline, yeah, I mean prescriptions whatever. It is

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<v Speaker 5>just a place that fellowship and meet. It's a place

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<v Speaker 5>of community. That's what it is, and it's in the

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<v Speaker 5>heart of the East side of Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a steady presence in a part of the

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<v Speaker 1>city where so much else had been stripped away.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of things about Buffalo, and it's a

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<v Speaker 5>former steel town. That industry is no longer in existence,

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<v Speaker 5>and so Buffalo has suffered for years. Buffalo is a

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<v Speaker 5>very poor city. It is at this particular moment, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>one of the sixth poor city in America, the sixth

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<v Speaker 5>most racially divided city in America for city its size.

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<v Speaker 5>It's one of the only cities in America of its

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<v Speaker 5>size that does not have a minority suburb.

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<v Speaker 1>Those conditions weren't foreign to him. He'd known them since

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<v Speaker 1>he was a child.

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<v Speaker 5>We've been in Buffalo my entire life. I remember being

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<v Speaker 5>very poor. My father, I think, made fifty dollars a

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<v Speaker 5>week working at one of the local stores. And we

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<v Speaker 5>lived in the projects. I mean, we grew up in

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<v Speaker 5>the projects. But my mom never let the projects grow

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<v Speaker 5>in us, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>At the center was his mother, Ruth. She was the

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<v Speaker 1>one who lifted the family up, refusing to let circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>to find them.

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<v Speaker 5>She was very proud of her family. She was very proud,

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<v Speaker 5>even though sometimes maybe she shouldn't have because we weren't

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<v Speaker 5>all I know. I caused her some consternation, but she

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<v Speaker 5>loved her family. She was married to my dad for

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<v Speaker 5>sixty eight years.

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<v Speaker 1>All truism shaped her life. She spent years caring for

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<v Speaker 1>the elderly, and even in her own retirement, she continued

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<v Speaker 1>to look after others.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's somebody who would bring strangers home, Somebody who would

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<v Speaker 5>visit the other people in the nursing home, no matter

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<v Speaker 5>what color they are. Somebody who was kind, somebody who

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<v Speaker 5>was loving, Somebody who believed in God and believed in

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<v Speaker 5>advocating for them least of these. That's who she was.

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<v Speaker 1>By the spring of twenty twenty two, Ruth was eighty six.

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<v Speaker 1>That Mother's Day, Garnell decided to do something special.

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<v Speaker 5>I had taken on a project of building her a

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<v Speaker 5>raised garden planter. She'd liked to grow fruits and vegetables

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever, and she had terrible back issues and could

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<v Speaker 5>not really tend to soil and bend over and do

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<v Speaker 5>that kind of thing anymore. So she could never buy

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<v Speaker 5>her anything. She'd had to buy it for herself. So

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<v Speaker 5>we had gotten used to giving her money. But I

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to do something more personal. This particular Mother's Day,

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<v Speaker 5>so I decided to build her raised planter and give

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<v Speaker 5>her money. So I had taken that project on and

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't able to complete it for Mother's Day to weather

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<v Speaker 5>that hadn't go operated, and I had to travel and

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<v Speaker 5>other things. But I'm out here on May thirteenth, and

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<v Speaker 5>I spent the entire day with her. It was extremely

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<v Speaker 5>warm that day, and she sat out in the yard,

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<v Speaker 5>we talked, and we had a wonderful day.

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<v Speaker 1>By late afternoon, the planter was in place, the soil leveled,

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<v Speaker 1>and the work nearly finished. It was time to wrap up, so.

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<v Speaker 5>I left her exactly a quarter to three on five

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<v Speaker 5>point thirteen. I said, I'm going to come back in

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<v Speaker 5>the morning and put some more dirt and raise the

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<v Speaker 5>level up even higher. You don't have to bend over

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<v Speaker 5>as much, and it's ready for planting. And she says

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<v Speaker 5>she was going to go get some seeds and we

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<v Speaker 5>were going to meet the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>The next morning, Garnell made good on his promise that

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<v Speaker 1>brought over dirt.

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<v Speaker 5>I put it in, knocked on the door, she didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 5>She needed to wear hearing age, and half the time

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<v Speaker 5>didn't wear them, and I didn't know if she just

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<v Speaker 5>didn't hear me, or she was resting, because she did

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<v Speaker 5>not sleep much at all. She was waiting on a

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<v Speaker 5>nerve block injection for her back and was in dire pain.

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<v Speaker 5>So I didn't want to disturb her, so I said,

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<v Speaker 5>I'll cut your at the nursing home. So I left.

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<v Speaker 5>I never saw her again.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest of that morning passed quietly. Garnell ran a

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<v Speaker 1>few errands with his wife. They were driving home when

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<v Speaker 1>the phone rang.

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<v Speaker 5>My sister in law caught and said that something had

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<v Speaker 5>occurred at Tops. Had we heard? And I said no,

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<v Speaker 5>we hadn't heard. We came back home and tried to

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<v Speaker 5>find out what was going on. There was no news,

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<v Speaker 5>there was nothing on the TV.

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<v Speaker 1>He picked up the phone again, this time to call

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<v Speaker 1>his mother.

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<v Speaker 5>So I called my mom just to check on her.

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<v Speaker 5>I hadn't seen her that morning. She didn't answer. My

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<v Speaker 5>wife called her sister and she didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 1>The silence wasn't settling. The television soon broadcast the breaking news.

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<v Speaker 5>Eventually, maybe fifteen twenty minutes, ribbon started coming across the

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<v Speaker 5>bottom of the TV, not with any real specific information,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's something that had occurred at Tops.

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<v Speaker 8>We're following the letters on that mass shooting in our country,

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<v Speaker 8>reports so that eight people had been killed. Reports say

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<v Speaker 8>the gunman issued some type of manifesto, that the attack

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<v Speaker 8>appears to be targeted, not yet confirmed though by authorities.

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<v Speaker 1>With a new sense of urgent. See. Garnell was intent

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<v Speaker 1>on reaching his mom, and.

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<v Speaker 5>So I called my mom again and she didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I waited a few minutes, and I told

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<v Speaker 5>my wife. I said, I'm going to go check on

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<v Speaker 5>my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>As he drove, his mind kept circling back to the

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<v Speaker 1>unanswered calls. He stopped by her house, the car wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>He called again, still no answer. Something pulled him toward

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson Avenue.

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<v Speaker 5>I know all of those people that responded, FBI, atf

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<v Speaker 5>Buffalo Police, Fire, Erie County, all of those people I've

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<v Speaker 5>worked with down to the year, so I know them

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<v Speaker 5>all personally. I couldn't find my mother. I was hoping

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<v Speaker 5>that I knew where she was, and something led me

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<v Speaker 5>to go by Tops. So I just showed up over

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<v Speaker 5>there at Tops.

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<v Speaker 1>What he founded the market was mayhem.

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<v Speaker 5>It was chaotic, it was a shooting, no definitive information,

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<v Speaker 5>There was no specifics or anything. There was a shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>In a matter of hours, his calm morning had turned

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<v Speaker 1>to panic, and at the center of it all was

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<v Speaker 1>the rock of his community.

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<v Speaker 5>When the public had started to gather, when there were victims,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it was tragic scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Every direction was noise and confusion. But his garnell edged closer,

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<v Speaker 1>his focus narrowed. He was looking for something specific.

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<v Speaker 5>I decided to see if my mother's car was there.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know why, but I started walking the perimeter,

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<v Speaker 5>trying to ascertain whether, in fact I saw her car.

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<v Speaker 5>They had it all roped off of the parking lot.

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<v Speaker 1>The barricades blocked his view. He strained to see through

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<v Speaker 1>the maze of yellow tape and police.

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<v Speaker 5>As I approached the Jefferson Street side of the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 5>I was able to just see just a faint, small

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<v Speaker 5>part of the hood of a black vehicle. And it

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<v Speaker 5>was in the handicaps spot, right up by the store,

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<v Speaker 5>which is where my mother would have absolutely parked as

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<v Speaker 5>close as she could, and the handicaps having the back.

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<v Speaker 1>Issues in that His thoughts began to race as his

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<v Speaker 1>chest tightened.

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't see the car. I got a detective. I

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<v Speaker 5>described the car to him, got a detective to go

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<v Speaker 5>into the scene and to identify the car, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>how I found out that she was there.

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<v Speaker 1>For Garnell. It was a moment suspended between hope and dread.

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<v Speaker 1>Was his mother among the victims? Had she made it

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<v Speaker 1>out alive? The only way to know was to keep searching.

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<v Speaker 1>As he looked for answers outside the store, the police

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<v Speaker 1>response continued to build. At the top of that chain

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<v Speaker 1>of command was the city's police commissioner.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Joe Grimalia. I retired at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of January of twenty twenty five. I was the commissioner

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<v Speaker 4>for almost three years. Before that, I was a deputy

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<v Speaker 4>commissioner and district chief. Before that, I was a homicide commander.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a career Buffalo officer.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows its officers, its streets, and it struggles. Service

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<v Speaker 1>ran through his family and for Joe, it had always

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<v Speaker 1>been more than a job.

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<v Speaker 4>I like to say it's the family business. My father

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<v Speaker 4>was a New York State trooper, my uncles were local officers,

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<v Speaker 4>my cousins.

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<v Speaker 6>It's deep in the family roots.

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<v Speaker 4>I always idolized the profession and it was very singularly

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<v Speaker 4>tracked that that's what I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the afternoon of May fourteenth, his experience and

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<v Speaker 1>leadership were about to be tested in new ways. When

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<v Speaker 1>the call first came in, he drove faster than he

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<v Speaker 1>ever had before.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't live that far away, probably twelve to fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>minutes of normal driving. I think I got there in

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<v Speaker 4>about seven minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Dispatcher calls kept coming through his radio. With every update,

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers grew.

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<v Speaker 4>When I got Onseene, the gravity of the situation really

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<v Speaker 4>hit me.

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<v Speaker 1>By two thirty six that afternoon, when Joe arrived, the gunman,

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteen year old named Peyton Grendon, was already in handcuffs.

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<v Speaker 4>When the first call went out. We had three police

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<v Speaker 4>officers in that parking lot, and I think it was

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<v Speaker 4>about sixty four seconds from the time the nine to

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<v Speaker 4>one one call went out, and the fourth police officer

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<v Speaker 4>got into that parking lot just the mere seconds after that.

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<v Speaker 4>They were able to get him into custody, got him

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<v Speaker 4>in a car, and got him out of there very

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<v Speaker 4>very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But even with a shooter apprehended, it wasn't clear if

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<v Speaker 1>the danger was over. The first priority was to eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of a second shooter. Officers entered the store

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<v Speaker 1>and carefully walked his aisles, not knowing if another gunman

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<v Speaker 1>was waiting. Step by step, they moved in deeper. There

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<v Speaker 1>were frightened choppers crouched behind shelves. Then the scope of

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<v Speaker 1>the horror revealed itself, one victim, then another. The numbers

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<v Speaker 1>continued to grow. Bodies lay motionless across the floor, some

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<v Speaker 1>gravely injured and others already gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Our officers clearing the store once they were satisfied that

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<v Speaker 4>there was no other shooters, no other danger in the store.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you start looking at victims and the firefighters are

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<v Speaker 4>going through, and it was very obvious that anyone else

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<v Speaker 4>that had been shot in the store was an obvious

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<v Speaker 4>fatal wound. The officer is as tough as this is.

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<v Speaker 4>They have to advance past the wounded, They have to

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<v Speaker 4>advance past everybody to make sure that there's nobody else

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<v Speaker 4>causing harm in the store. If you stop and you

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<v Speaker 4>try to tend to a victim, more people could end

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<v Speaker 4>up getting shot and end up suffering. So the officers,

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<v Speaker 4>as difficult as it was, they had to keep pushing

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<v Speaker 4>through until they cleared that store. And then you go

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<v Speaker 4>back and start tending to the victims.

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<v Speaker 1>Firefighters stood by, ready to follow as soon as the

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<v Speaker 1>path was clear. Once police confirmed that the store was

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<v Speaker 1>saved to enter, firefighters served forward, turning their focus to

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<v Speaker 1>the wounded.

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<v Speaker 4>They ran into the store and two of the surviving

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<v Speaker 4>victims were inside the store. One of the surviving victims

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<v Speaker 4>was outside the store, and they actually used a shopping

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<v Speaker 4>cart to load the store manager into a shopping cart

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<v Speaker 4>and push that cart out and got them evacuated from

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<v Speaker 4>the store immediately and got him in an ambulance and

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<v Speaker 4>got him out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Joe arrived, rescue efforts were already underway.

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<v Speaker 4>I was met by one of the command officers that

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<v Speaker 4>just was shaking his head and trying to give me

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<v Speaker 4>the rundown of what exactly was going on, And one

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<v Speaker 4>of our veteran, seasoned homicide detectives said, come on, let

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<v Speaker 4>me walk you through the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>He passed bodies still lying in the parking lot. Everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>he looked were signs of panic and violence, frozen in place.

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<v Speaker 4>And walking around the store. It's something you'll just never unsee.

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<v Speaker 1>Every aisle showed signs of the devastation. As he walked through,

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<v Speaker 1>the horror light music filled the store.

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<v Speaker 4>The in store music system was still playing, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was early quiet in there.

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<v Speaker 1>An uncomfortable reminder of an ordinary day shattered in an instant.

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<v Speaker 1>Shopping cards were overturned, shelves were left scattered, and officers,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them barely holding it together.

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<v Speaker 4>As I was walking up, I remember some things very vividly,

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<v Speaker 4>and one of those was an officer that was just

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<v Speaker 4>completely overcome with emotion, and another officer was escorting him

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<v Speaker 4>out of the store and taking him away from the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>The scene was difficult even for seasoned officers. The obvious

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<v Speaker 1>violence was brutal, but there was also something else that

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<v Speaker 1>made this hit close to home.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the victims that we lost, Aaron Salter, was

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<v Speaker 4>a former Buffalo Police officer. He'd been retired for several years.

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<v Speaker 4>He retired in two thousand eighteen, and there were numerous

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<v Speaker 4>officers on scene that knew him.

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<v Speaker 1>Many officers knew the victims, some had worked alongside Aaron Salter.

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<v Speaker 1>The images inside that store would not fait easily.

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<v Speaker 4>Our peer team was contacted almost immediately to get members,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're an all volunteer peer team.

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<v Speaker 6>To look out for our.

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<v Speaker 1>Members, Counselors waited in the parking lot, meeting officers as

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<v Speaker 1>they came out to ensure they were ready to keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>This is where I think police officers can sometimes be

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<v Speaker 4>looked at differently. But we've got a job to do,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's not to say that we're not human and

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<v Speaker 4>officers aren't going to go through the various stages of

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<v Speaker 4>emotion at the time, But you've got to maintain some

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<v Speaker 4>control and I had a job to do, so I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of had to snap myself into shape like every

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<v Speaker 4>other officer on scene there, and we had to start

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<v Speaker 4>working through that.

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<v Speaker 1>Joan needed to focus. There was still a city to

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<v Speaker 1>comfort and keep under control. There was also the crime

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<v Speaker 1>scene to manage, and a public waiting desperately for answers.

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<v Speaker 1>A command post was set up across the street. The

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<v Speaker 1>mayor and the FBI arrived. Within an hour, Jefferson Avenue

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<v Speaker 1>had become the center of national attention. Reporters swarmed. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>had to carve out a space where investigators could focus

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<v Speaker 1>on what needed to be done as the outside world watched.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a kind of a vacant parking lot across

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<v Speaker 4>the street from this location, and we established this as

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<v Speaker 4>our command post.

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<v Speaker 1>The crowd was swelling, the parking lot was sealed, tensions

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<v Speaker 1>were rising. That's when the two men finally came face

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<v Speaker 1>to face.

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<v Speaker 4>While I'm in that command post, the former Buffalo Fire

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<v Speaker 4>Commissioner Garnell Whitfield, he came walking up to me. I said, hey, Garnell,

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<v Speaker 4>he's like Joe, He's like, can you tell me if

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<v Speaker 4>my mother's in the store. And that was like a

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<v Speaker 4>gut punch, like froze, and I said, Garnel, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have any of the identities of anybody that's

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<v Speaker 4>in the story yet, but I said, look, stay here

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<v Speaker 4>at the command bus, and as soon as I hear something,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll let you know, but stay here. Come to find

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<v Speaker 4>out that his mother was the oldest victim that was

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<v Speaker 4>inside the store.

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<v Speaker 1>For Garnell, the encounterset in motion of frantic search.

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<v Speaker 5>I still didn't know whether she had been shot or

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<v Speaker 5>anything like that. So I talked to Joe Grimaudia. He

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<v Speaker 5>assigned a lieutenant to me. Because they had evacuated maybe

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<v Speaker 5>twenty five people from the store and taken them to

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<v Speaker 5>police headquarters to debrief them. They did not have a

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<v Speaker 5>list of names of those people, and so I went

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<v Speaker 5>about to businesses, trying to ascertain whether, in fact, my

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<v Speaker 5>mom was one of the persons who had been evacuated.

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<v Speaker 1>Hours passed without answers.

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<v Speaker 5>They hadn't locked the names of the people and had

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<v Speaker 5>made them available, so it was tough getting any information

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<v Speaker 5>from them.

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<v Speaker 1>Garnell had to find another way.

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<v Speaker 5>I got another detective. I asked him to go in

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<v Speaker 5>and look and see if my mother was there. He

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<v Speaker 5>needed a description of her. I had not seen her

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<v Speaker 5>that morning, so I did not know what she had on,

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<v Speaker 5>and I did not have a picture of her readily available.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't even think to look through my phone. So

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<v Speaker 5>I called the nursing home. I got them to send

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<v Speaker 5>me the video tape of the visitors from that morning.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew my mom had gone to the nursing home,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I got them to send the video to me.

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<v Speaker 5>I gave that to the detective.

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<v Speaker 1>And then came the silence, the kind every first responder

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<v Speaker 1>knows too well.

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<v Speaker 5>When he didn't come back. I knew, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying. I mean, I knew I've done this a

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<v Speaker 5>number of times myself, so I knew right away. And

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<v Speaker 5>so with something he passed to the commissioner and to

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<v Speaker 5>the others, people of the authority who were my peers.

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<v Speaker 5>They gathered, and I had already set myself apart and

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<v Speaker 5>was grieving. I knew exactly what was going on, and

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<v Speaker 5>so they all came, Mayor and county exact and ology's people,

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<v Speaker 5>they all came. But I already knew. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 5>been on the other side this for a long time,

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<v Speaker 5>so being on this side of it as a victim,

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<v Speaker 5>as someone looking for answers, was very different, I gotta say.

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<v Speaker 1>As Garneld Whitfield reeled from the news that his mother Ruth,

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<v Speaker 1>was among the victims, the shock was also settling over

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<v Speaker 1>the entire city. When the numbers were finally confirmed, the

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<v Speaker 1>scale of the loss was overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 6>Ten died, three survived.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a massacre carried out with strategic planning, then

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast live on the Internet as it unfolded. That choice

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<v Speaker 1>was delivered bread a way to spread terror beyond Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as law enforcement realized what was happening, the

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<v Speaker 1>stream was taken down, but by then the damage was done.

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<v Speaker 1>The images had already escaped into the world. The toll

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<v Speaker 1>weight heaviest on the community. It had so deliberately targeted.

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<v Speaker 4>Eleven of the victims were black and two were white.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the victims that was shot was in the

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<v Speaker 4>pharmacy area and I guess was hit by a stray

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<v Speaker 4>round if you will, suffered a grazing wound and was

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<v Speaker 4>very fortunate. The other was the store manager. You had

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<v Speaker 4>one woman there, one of the oldest victims, buying seeds

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<v Speaker 4>for her garden. Springtime time to start getting gardens ready.

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<v Speaker 1>That woman was Garnell's mom.

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<v Speaker 4>You had other people that were there, obviously just getting

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<v Speaker 4>their groceries. You had a victim that was working in

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<v Speaker 4>the store that was the security guard, our former officer.

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<v Speaker 4>You had one individual that was there buying a birthday

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<v Speaker 4>cake for his three year old son.

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<v Speaker 1>The crowd around the market was growing by the hour.

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<v Speaker 4>The officers on scene were doing a tremendous job. They

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<v Speaker 4>had the entire parking lot taped off, and what I

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<v Speaker 4>saw was probably a couple hundred people on the outskirts

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<v Speaker 4>of the parking lot, with more people starting to gather.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the things that went through my mind immediately

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<v Speaker 4>is this could be trouble. Did we have appropriate manpower

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<v Speaker 4>in the event that people were going to start rushing

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<v Speaker 4>the parking lot, and where emotions going to get the

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<v Speaker 4>best of people. These are the type of valid thoughts

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<v Speaker 4>that police officers have to think of.

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<v Speaker 1>For a moment. The question was whether raw grief might

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<v Speaker 1>turn sorrow into unrest.

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<v Speaker 4>There was none of that. I said this time and

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<v Speaker 4>time again in interviews, in both local and national interviews,

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<v Speaker 4>that the one thing that I saw is that we

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<v Speaker 4>we were all in this together. We suffered a loss,

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<v Speaker 4>the community suffered a loss. Obviously the family members suffered

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest loss. But it's like everybody was in this together.

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<v Speaker 4>And I saw instances of our officers hugging and comforting

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<v Speaker 4>people on the other side of the crime scene tape.

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<v Speaker 4>And I saw people in the community hugging and comforting

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<v Speaker 4>our officers on their side of the crime scene tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Media trucks continued to roll in with their satellite dishes

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<v Speaker 1>aimed at the sky.

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<v Speaker 4>At the end of the night, we moved the command

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<v Speaker 4>posts inside the parking lot. I totally underestimated the speed

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<v Speaker 4>of the national media. Full studios were set up in

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<v Speaker 4>that parking lot.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, investigators were uncovering details about the

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<v Speaker 1>gunmen and looking for the motivation for his savagery.

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<v Speaker 4>Right off the bat, it was told that this was

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<v Speaker 4>a racially motivated shooting because the weapons had writings all

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<v Speaker 4>over them that identify with white supremacy replacement theory had

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<v Speaker 4>the names of other shooters, other people that identified similarly

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<v Speaker 4>with this shooter, So it was immediately known. There was

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<v Speaker 4>no mistaking what the motive of this was. He's a

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<v Speaker 4>young white male. You can look at the number of victims.

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<v Speaker 4>Eleven of the thirteen were African American. You had two

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<v Speaker 4>that were white. But the more we watched the video

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<v Speaker 4>and the more we looked through to see, it was

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<v Speaker 4>glaring what this was.

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<v Speaker 1>In the chaos and pain of that first evening, the

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<v Speaker 1>city still had to face the cameras and.

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<v Speaker 4>We had our first press conference at about five point

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<v Speaker 4>thirty three hours after the shooting, and the mayor and

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<v Speaker 4>myself called it for what it was. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's something that the community has come to appreciate. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's not because I'm saying that, it's because I've been

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<v Speaker 4>told that numerous times. That we called it for what

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<v Speaker 4>it was immediately at the first press conference, that this

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<v Speaker 4>was a race motivated hate crime.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's be clear, this was an act of domestic terrorism

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<v Speaker 9>motivated by hateful and perverse ideology that terrors at the

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<v Speaker 9>soul of our nation. All Americans should reject the hateful

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<v Speaker 9>lies that pit one race against another.

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<v Speaker 1>While city leaders were revealing the bigotry that motivated the attack,

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Garnell was left to bring the grim news back to

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>his family.

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 5>My children work for the fire department, not all of them,

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 5>but some of them do. My daughters were dispatchers on

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 5>five fourteen. On that day, I had to call and

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 5>get them relieve the duty.

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 1>The Whitfield family began assembling from far and wide.

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<v Speaker 5>I had to immediately start thinking about the rest of

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 5>my family. My brother's down in Florida. He just ran

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 5>straight to the airport and jumped on a flight and

0:26:58.200 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 5>left everything unsettled.

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Even as his own grief set in, Garnell was able

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to remain level headed.

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's what I'm trained to do, or the compartmentalized,

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 5>or do whatever, and to focus on the mission. So

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 5>that's my training, that's what I've always done, and actually

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 5>that's what I'm still doing, you know.

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 1>But no training could block the reality. This wasn't someone

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>else's tragedy, this was his own.

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 5>Right then, it was about my family, you know what

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm saying, making sure my family was okay, Because, like

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 5>I say, I've seen a lot of things, have been

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 5>exposed to death and tragedy, and have always been present

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 5>at times like this in other people's lives, So I

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 5>kind of knew what they would be going through, what

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 5>they would be, you know, what would be happening with them,

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 5>So that had to be the focus. You know, wasn't

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 5>really time to grief, wasn't really time to process all

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 5>of that. You know, It's like, what do we have

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 5>to do now? How do we get through this? How

0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 5>do we make sure the rest of them are okay?

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 1>The crime soon drew in departments from outside the city,

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>so there.

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 4>Were three agencies that were involved in this. You've got

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 4>the homicide investigation, so our homicide detectors are going to

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 4>do their scene processing and they're going to investigate the

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 4>homicides for presentation to the local district attorney. But now

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 4>you've got the FBI, who was immediately unseene that we're

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 4>going to take over the racially motivated hate crime terrorism

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 4>side of the investigation, and the New York State Police.

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>The agencies worked together, digging deeper into the government. They

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>needed to figure out if he'd been acting alone.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 4>From the federal side, which we were deeply involved with,

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 4>you have to make sure that there's nobody else out there.

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 4>Was he a loone actor, did he have help? Did

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 4>he have anybody else? Is there going to be anybody

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 4>else doing any other acts of violence anywhere else? Hence

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 4>the reason why the New York State Police got search

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 4>warrantson went into his home, and then the FBI getting

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 4>their tech people out there and starting to dig into

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 4>what his postings were, where he went. It was quickly

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 4>learned that he lived downstate, about three hours away on

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 4>the Pennsylvania border, so the state police were immediately activated

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 4>to get to his house.

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Teams were dispatched with warrants, digging through the shooter's home

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and devices, searching for evidence and any sign of accomplices,

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't take long before they learned that this

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>was a plan long in the making.

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 6>He was very methodical.

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 4>He knew exactly where he was going, what he was doing,

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 4>how he was going to advance through the store. He

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 4>put a lot of training into this, which really goes

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 4>at the intentionality of this. With some moderate deviations, he

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 4>went very much according to plan that was laid out

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 4>in his discord diary how he wanted to stop the

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 4>security guard because he knew that the store employed armed security,

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 4>which were all former police officers, and he knew that

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 4>they were going to be a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>What investigators uncovered next was equal disturbing Tops was only

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 1>meant to be one phase of a larger plot.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 4>In reviewing the discord diary and manifesto, he had plans

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 4>to go on to two other locations and continue to shoot,

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 4>in his words and his diary, more black people along

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 4>the way between Location one and two and Location two

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 4>and three. We also know from his diary that he

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 4>had an estimated body count that he was trying to

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 4>achieve at each of these three locations. As catastrophic as

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 4>this incident was, it could have been double and triple

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 4>the size of that.

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>The horror inside Tops have been planned for months, including

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>rehearsals and a final dry run the day before.

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 4>We know that this individual came to the store a

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:53.479
<v Speaker 4>couple months prior doing reconnaissance and surveying the store, and

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 4>that was part of his diary. There's some older guys

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 4>that like to hang out under the trees, there, and

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 4>they've been doing that for a long time. But one

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 4>guy in particular came up to us and said, I've

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 4>seen that guy here before it goes. As matter of fact,

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 4>I spent time talking to him. But he was also

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 4>there the day before doing a final walkthrough, and he

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 4>had spent some time sitting on the bench out front

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 4>talking to this older gentleman.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>And were they average everyday conversations. Certainly nothing that the

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>guy thought was odd at the time, right.

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 4>No, there was nothing that anyone missed that would have

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 4>sent up signal flares of somebody to call.

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>What that surveillance revealed was elaborate planning. Uncovering everything they

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 1>could about the shooting remained law enforcement's first priority.

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 4>The FBI had brought in their top evidence collection team.

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 4>That team was flown in. The equipment was flown in

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 4>the next day on Sunday.

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Over the following days, federal specialists left no stone unturned.

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm asking the special Agent charge of the Buffalo Field

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 4>Office of the FBI how much longer he thought the

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 4>store would be held as a crime scene. And he

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 4>walked me through the store and showed me exactly what

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 4>they're doing. I mean, the capabilities of the FBI and

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 4>to recreate and the computerization, and they accounted for just

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 4>about every single round and where it went.

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>And what became crystal clear was that the lives of

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>so many people had been cut short, people just going

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>about their everyday lives.

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 4>So as we're walking the store through the front of

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 4>the store, back to the register where one of the victims,

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 4>where that birthday cake was still sitting on the conveyor

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 4>belt with the sun's birthday on there, it.

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Just got a chill down my arm.

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 4>And you said it yeah, And that just unbelievably impactful

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 4>on me.

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>As families grappled with grief, law enforcement set the table

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>for again Dron's prosecution.

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 4>He was immediately brought back to the Homicide office, brought

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 4>into a room, and the Chief Homicide Prosecutor and the

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 4>homicide team reported rate the Buffalo Police Head Court and

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 4>they took over.

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>On June second, twenty twenty two, Gendron was arraigned in

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>state court on charges including murder, attempted murder, and hate crimes.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 4>But top charge, aside from murder in the first degree,

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 4>was the domestic terrorism motivated by hate, which was a

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 4>relatively new charge in New York State, had never, to

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 4>the best of my recollection, never been charged before, but

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 4>most definitely had never been successfully prosecuted.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 1>The case never went to trial. On November twenty eighth

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>of that same year, Gendron Plit guilty. Three months later,

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>he was sentenced to life without parole, but a separate

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>federal case was still moving forward.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 4>He is still facing federal charges, which that process is

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 4>making its way through the federal courts, and he's facing

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 4>the death penalty.

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>In the aftermath of the mass murder, Garnell's community reached

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>far beyond Buffalo. The violence has tied him to other

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>greeting families across the country. The crimes are all distinct,

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>yet they all shared similar pain.

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 5>I've been all over this country. I've been with all

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 5>of the families, Vivaldi, Sandy Hook, I've been all over

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 5>the place Las Vegas. I've met a lot of these people,

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 5>with a lot of these families, and a lot of

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 5>these shootings happened in schools where you have young people

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 5>who obviously pull out your heartstrings, and it's a huge problem.

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 5>But one of the things I recognize is that Buffalo

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 5>was very different Buffalo. They took our elders. They took

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 5>people who were deeply entrenched and rooted in our community,

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 5>people who others depended upon for sustenance, for care.

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>He turned to a metaphor to express the loss.

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 5>Like if you have trees in your yard, and one's

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 5>a sapling and one's a mature tree, the mature trees

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:56.839
<v Speaker 5>are deeply rooted. They provide sustenance, they provide fruit, they

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:01.240
<v Speaker 5>provide food, they provide protection for everything on And that's

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 5>what we lost in Buffalo. That's who my mother was.

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Even in their sixties, Garnelle and his siblings still realize

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 1>how much they leaned on their mother.

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 5>We're just still discovering how intertwined and how connected and

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:23.360
<v Speaker 5>how dependent we all were on her, even at this

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 5>age in our lives. We lived vicariously through her in

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:31.280
<v Speaker 5>some ways, and you don't realize what you have until

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 5>it's gone.

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Her absence has also brought a new kind of purpose.

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.720
<v Speaker 5>My mother being a mature tree and me being under

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 5>her protection, under her shade, if you would. The other

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 5>thing about these trees in the forest is that everything

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 5>under them, while it is protected, their growth is also stunned.

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 5>And not until that tree is gone, those things under

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 5>it really grow and reach their full potential and grow

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 5>into whatever there issued to be. And so that's the

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 5>other thing about my mother not being here. We've had

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 5>to grow in ways that we could never have done

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 5>while she was here, that we haven't done while she

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 5>was here. And so that's another aspect of this whole thing.

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 5>Her death has given my life purpose and meaning in

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 5>a way that I never would have imagined. My mom

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 5>is bigger in death. My mom's death has and life

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 5>has meaning that it would not have had otherwise. I mean,

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 5>that's just the truth of the matter. So she's forever

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.760
<v Speaker 5>now written in the annals of history as a part

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 5>of what helps drives this conversation and hopefully helps drive change.

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 5>Her death is the impetus for this discussion we're having.

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:52.319
<v Speaker 5>Her death puts her in a place of eternal She's

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 5>gonna be remembered forever in ways that many of us won't,

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 5>and I think that's fitting. I think that's an honor.

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 5>And I guess in some way she's a murder. So

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm very proud of my mother.

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>What happened in Buffalo is not a one time anomaly.

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>It is tied to other similar tragedies across the US,

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>all involved lone gunmen, radicalized online striking with heat filled intent.

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 10>Nearly sixty people are dead and more than five hundred

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.360
<v Speaker 10>injured after a man started shooting into the crowd.

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>At a country music festival in Las Vegas, Nevada.

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 11>Downtown Charleston is a sea of police lights and crime

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 11>scene tape inside the historic em Manual Ame Church. A

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 11>lone gunman described as a white male in his twenties.

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 11>He's believed to have opened fire, ultimately killing nine people

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 11>before fleeing.

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so you were in the walmart.

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm just happy.

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 7>We had just walked in past the produce section and

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 7>we were going to the freezer foods, like where the

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 7>frozen dinners are.

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 9>But I heard.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 8>Doo doo doo, and then it went do do do do.

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 7>Like closer together, So then that's when I thought it

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 7>was gunshot.

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>What happened at Tops was hate in its most lethal form,

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 1>all carried out by just one person. Michael Jensen, a

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>researcher who tracks terrorism, says that what makes this modern

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>era distinct is the rise of individual terrorists versus groups.

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 10>One of the other features that really kind of separates

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 10>this movement from past ones. Is this moving beyond these

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:37.800
<v Speaker 10>autonomous cells to individual actors? Right, It's a lone actor

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 10>driven environment in which a single individual can take it

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 10>upon themselves to engage in act of violence on the

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 10>behalf of a broader movement, and not only that, they

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.760
<v Speaker 10>can do it in a way that is very low

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 10>in sophistication and very hard to detect, but very very effective.

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>The most common form of terror is no longer the

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>bomb plot or coordinated hijacking.

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 10>It's someone within easily acquired assault rifle walking into a

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 10>public place that has no security deterrence and opening fire.

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 10>That's very, very difficult to detect and to respond to.

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 10>But the effect is the same, the fear that it causes,

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 10>the attention that it generates.

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>This kind of violence has become part of the national

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>news cycle, and that too feeds the problem.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 10>They're always in the headlines because these attacks are happening

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 10>so frequently, and for these movements, they see that as

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 10>a good thing, right, that they're being talked about, their

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 10>ideas are being talked about. They're reaching new audiences, they're

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 10>drawing in new communities into their online spaces where they

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 10>can rapidly radicalize them.

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.360
<v Speaker 1>What once might have been considered rare is now recurring

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>with alarming regularity.

0:39:56.440 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 10>This trend towards lone actor extremism will can continue. The

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:03.839
<v Speaker 10>Internet is going to continue to play a massive role

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 10>in radicalizing individuals and getting them involved in these groups.

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 10>In these movements, communication technology is not going anywhere, and

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 10>it's been highly effective in growing the groups, and they

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 10>will look to leverage.

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>That these singular actors are no longer the exception, they're

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the norm. As such, law enforcement has been forced to

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 1>learn new ways to combat this reality. For Jeremy Sensky,

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a survivor of the twenty twenty five New Orleans attack,

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 1>the threat of a lone wolf strike wasn't abstract. It

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>was the sound of a truck on Bourbon Street barreling

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>into a crowd on New Year's Day. We heard his

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>story in episode one. That attack is a prime example

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 1>of what modern terrorism looks like.

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 5>Nobody was with me.

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 12>I was by myself. My wife had went back to

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 12>the room with my daughter, and I was on my

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 12>way back to the room. I was almost to Canal Street.

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 12>I mean we're talking maybe ninety seconds. I would have

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 12>been on Canal Street and I wouldn't even this would

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 12>have never.

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Happened ninety seconds. That was the difference between walking back

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 1>into a hotel room or being struck head on.

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.720
<v Speaker 12>The first cough that came over to me, I said,

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 12>my legs, my legs, my legs, And I was like,

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:35.839
<v Speaker 12>what happened? He said, we don't know. You were trying

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 12>to assess this situation. He just looked at me and said,

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.280
<v Speaker 12>you're lucky to be alive. Everyone around you is dead.

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Yet Jeremy's survival wasn't guaranteed.

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 12>Somebody came over to my head and put a yellow

0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 12>ax on my head, So I guess there's different coatings

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 12>they put on your head for like the condition you're in,

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 12>how fast they got to get you, or something like that.

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 12>Yellow is better than red. Red's the worst. And then

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 12>I think there's green, and then I think there's one

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 12>that means you're basically deceased.

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.720
<v Speaker 1>That X meant that his injuries didn't appear life threatening,

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>at least not yet.

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 12>They had changed my yellow axe to a red X

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:16.880
<v Speaker 12>in the ambulance because I had lost so much blood

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 12>and my legs were so bad that I became like

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:20.359
<v Speaker 12>a party.

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>In all around him. Others fared even worse.

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 12>I heard somebody screaming, we found someone over here, we

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 12>found someone in there.

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 5>We needed to do CPR.

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 12>I've heard people say.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:33.280
<v Speaker 5>We lost them.

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 12>Basically, I was like one of the last people they

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 12>had attended to in my area.

0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>As Jeremy was being rushed to the hospital, his family

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 1>had no idea what had happened. His wife, Crystal, tried

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 1>reaching him.

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 13>There was no answer, and I was a little concerned,

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 13>but not too too concerned, because he could have got

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 13>sidetracked on the way home.

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 1>The not knowing is an entirely different type of fear.

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 1>She couldn't just go to bed. Crystal is Jeremy's wife

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 1>but also his caregiver ever since he was in an

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 1>accident in nineteen ninety nine that paralyzed him, so she

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 1>had been nervously waiting up for him that night.

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 13>So I'm like, I'm awake. Now he's got to be

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 13>on his way, so I'll just lay here and watch TV.

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Then an uneasy feeling grew once she picked up the remote.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.240
<v Speaker 13>So I turned the TV on and I'm like flipping

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 13>the stations, and I happened to stop on something where

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 13>they were talking about it on the news, and I'm like, oh,

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 13>is that in New Orleans? And then I realized, I'm like, God,

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 13>that's in New Orleans. And then I started to panic.

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 13>My daughter had laid back down, and I went in

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 13>her room and I'm like, something is seriously wrong. There's

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 13>something wrong. There's some major thing happening.

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>At that point, they started scrambling for answers.

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 13>My daughter and I are putting shoes on. We were

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 13>staying right off a canal, maybe like a block from Bourbon,

0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 13>so as soon as we went outside of the hotel,

0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 13>we could see like just firetrucks and police and.

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Everything from the street. There were no signs of Jeremy.

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Their search next led to the hospital.

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.360
<v Speaker 12>They kept asking them for the guy in woelchair, and

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.439
<v Speaker 12>no one associated me with a guy in woelchair because

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 12>it wasn't No one actually saw me in a woelchair.

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 13>And finally the head nurse was walking by and she

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.359
<v Speaker 13>stopped in mid track and she was like, oh, my god,

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 13>I just talked to him. He's okay.

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>By morning, the world had already seen the wreckage, and

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 1>in the hours after the attack, friends and family started

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:38.320
<v Speaker 1>calling Crystal. They'd seen a viral photo spreading online.

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 13>One of the reasons why we were so quick to

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.840
<v Speaker 13>go to Facebook is because the morning that had happened,

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:49.320
<v Speaker 13>people were calling us starting six o'clock in the morning,

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 13>like when they woke up, because that was Jeremy's chair

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 13>in that picture, and that's what was going around was

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 13>the picture of the truck with his chair next to it.

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's chair is Jeremy's wheelchair. He relies on it for mobility.

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>It was an expensive blue chair with his fanny pack

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 1>still clipped to the seatbelt. Anyone who knew Jeremy would

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>recognize it instantly.

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 13>A lot of family and friends were reaching out asking

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 13>is this Jeremy? Is this Jeremy?

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:25.359
<v Speaker 1>The chair was more than an identifying marker. It might

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:29.280
<v Speaker 1>have also saved Jeremy's life.

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 13>His wheelchair weighs so much that it would stop the truck.

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 13>And I know that that sounds insane, but what people

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 13>don't realize is that he doesn't have like your normal

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 13>electric wheelchair that your grandpa has. Even without him in

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 13>the chair. That chair weighs over three hundred pounds and

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:49.879
<v Speaker 13>all the weight is in the.

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Base of it. And now it makes sense too. When

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy was telling me that he didn't think his chair

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 1>moved very much, that whatever the impact was propelled him.

0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Because the picture his wheelchair is right there within feet

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of the truck.

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, and I mean, of course that lift stopped the truck.

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:10.839
<v Speaker 13>But it just makes sense that that guy hitting that

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.240
<v Speaker 13>chair had to have caused him to lose somewhat control.

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.320
<v Speaker 13>Like when he hit people, they just either went underneath

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 13>or over the top. Jeremy didn't go underneath or over

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 13>the top of that car. He flew, but the chair

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.960
<v Speaker 13>did not. The chair was still on all four wheels.

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>The chair absorbed the impact. Jeremy's body did the rest.

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 13>But it's the bottom part of his legs that were

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.720
<v Speaker 13>just like mangled. And it's like being hit by a truck,

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:43.200
<v Speaker 13>standing against a boulder or a wall and your leg's

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:43.800
<v Speaker 13>gonna shatter.

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Recovery would take months.

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.360
<v Speaker 12>My biggest thing was just trying to get my legs

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:52.240
<v Speaker 12>strong so I don't have to worry about him breaking

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 12>or I feel like com fragile right now.

0:46:54.600 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Basically, Crystal saw something few others understood. Jeremy's paralysis spared

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 1>him much of the expected physical agony.

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:07.800
<v Speaker 13>He wasn't in that much pain. I mean, of course,

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 13>he was because he had black eyes and stuff like

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 13>he got beat up, But as to his injuries, he

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.879
<v Speaker 13>couldn't feel any of it. So he was completely coherent,

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:18.839
<v Speaker 13>like when he says he was laying on the side

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 13>of the street and next to the truck like, he

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:23.800
<v Speaker 13>was able to be so coherent that he was able

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 13>to try to even though he was confused about what

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 13>was going on, he was not in any pain to

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 13>make him delirious.

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>That clarity meant he absorbed every detail, and in the

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 1>weeks after that, trauma followed him home.

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 12>Noises like loud vehicles. There's a lot of people that

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.840
<v Speaker 12>road their trucks up or rub their cars up, and

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 12>anythink it's cool. I guess it is cool if you

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 12>like that kind of thing. I used to go to

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 12>motorcycle races a lot, and truck pulls and stuff like that.

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 12>But whenever I'm going down the street and I hear

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 12>that noise, I'll turn around, look and find out and

0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 12>see what tell's coming towards me.

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Now, the street noise was one thing, but when he

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>closed his eyes, the entire attack became vivid.

0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 12>Just screaming on the street in the sound, that sound

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.399
<v Speaker 12>of that vehicle when it turned off canal as soon

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.239
<v Speaker 12>as it hit that straightaway and made that noise, It's

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 12>just the thunking of people.

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>As the weeks passed, Jeremy tried to make sense of

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:28.720
<v Speaker 1>why he had survived while so many others hadn't.

0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, life's long fair. People tell me I'm glad to

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 12>be alive, and there's a purpose for me. God wants

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:38.359
<v Speaker 12>me here for something. I keep thinking, if that's true,

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.839
<v Speaker 12>then it has to be something to me, like trying

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.880
<v Speaker 12>to fight terrorism. But I don't know how the Pholas

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 12>fight terrorism. In my position, it is a question.

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 1>He still wrestles with what it means to survive an

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:54.200
<v Speaker 1>act of hate and how to live with the memories.

0:48:55.400 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 12>It's very sad that people would kill me, multiple people

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.440
<v Speaker 12>of a religion, or for any reason at all, but

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 12>to do it in the name of some kind of religion.

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:09.840
<v Speaker 12>I do think about it all the time, and it

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 12>just destroys everybody's confidence and everything, and it makes people

0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 12>hate other people.

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>The perpetrator took lives and left scars that will never

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>fully heal. But for Jeremy, the only path forward is

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 1>resolved and refusing to let hate win.

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 12>I mean, I'm not going to live my life like

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 12>I'm afraid to go anywhere else.

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:33.319
<v Speaker 5>So some I'm not going to do that.

0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:35.719
<v Speaker 12>They say, what if you do that, the terrorists win.

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 12>I'm not afraid to go anywhere like I have friends

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 12>that don't even leave their house at the time. They're

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 12>afraid to go anywhere. And I go to concerts.

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 6>I love to do stuff there.

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 12>You only live one time, and no matter what handicaps

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 12>I have, I'm going to do whatever I can, however

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 12>I can.

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:57.319
<v Speaker 1>In New Orleans, it wasn't a foreign network or a

0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:03.360
<v Speaker 1>coordinated cell. It was one man acting alone, weaponizing the ordinary,

0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:07.800
<v Speaker 1>a truck and a crowded street to cause maximum fear

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 1>and destruction. He embodied the new face of extremism, the

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:19.160
<v Speaker 1>lone actor, radicalized and determined, capable of turning an everyday

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:24.440
<v Speaker 1>space into a scene of terror. Law enforcement has evolved

0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>with the shifting facade of terrorism. For decades. Investigators have

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>been chasing the threat, learning from each attack, building new tools,

0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and adapting. The danger has never disappeared, but neither has

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the effort to confront it. The story of terrorism in

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 1>America is also the story of the people who continue

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>to fight it, then and now. The way we all

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>fight back is by holding onto our lives, refusing to

0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:00.200
<v Speaker 1>let fear dictate where we go, what we do, do,

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:01.719
<v Speaker 1>or how we live.

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 5>We're going to have more events, There's no question about

0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:06.440
<v Speaker 5>it that it's going to happen.

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:09.720
<v Speaker 13>You need to project a.

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Positive response and basically maintain your way of life.

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 1>There's evil out there and it has to be defeated

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>when you see it.

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:23.239
<v Speaker 5>It can't be coddled, it can't be excused. It has

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:24.320
<v Speaker 5>to be defeated.

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 7>We are all going to have things happen in our

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 7>life that are out of our control, that are bad.

0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 7>But you always have control of a response. Even in

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.400
<v Speaker 7>the moments where I was buried alive, I couldn't move,

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.480
<v Speaker 7>I couldn't do anything. I had my mind, I could think,

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 7>I could get my mind on something different. I could

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.080
<v Speaker 7>control that. That has been helpful for me.

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 5>Anyway.

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:50.240
<v Speaker 1>If we let it alter the rhythm of our days,

0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 1>then the violence echoes beyond the attack, because the moment

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:59.400
<v Speaker 1>fear changes our day to day. Their mission is complete,

0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and behind every headline, every case we've told this season,

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<v Speaker 1>there are teams of people working tirelessly and often invisibly, agents, analysts,

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors and local police. Together, they carry the fight forward

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the peace, to bring justice, and to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure the next attack is stopped before it begins.

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<v Speaker 2>Law and Order Criminal Justice System is a production of

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<v Speaker 2>Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts. Our host is Anna Sega Nicolazzi.

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<v Speaker 2>The show was written by Cooper Mall, Executive produced by

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<v Speaker 2>Dick Wolf, Elliott Wolf, and Steve Michael at Wolf Entertainment

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<v Speaker 2>on behalf of iHeart Podcasts. Executive producers Trevor Young and

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Frederick, with supervising producer Chandler Mays and producer Jesse Funk.

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<v Speaker 2>This season is executive produced by Anna Sega Nicolazzi. Our

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<v Speaker 2>researchers are Luke Stantz and Carolyn Tolmage. Editing and sound

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<v Speaker 2>designed by Trevor Young and Jesse Funk. Original music by

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<v Speaker 2>John O'Hara, Original theme by Mike Post with additional music

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<v Speaker 2>by Steve Moore and additional voice over by me Steve Zarnkelton.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Fox five in New York for providing

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<v Speaker 2>archival material for the show. For more podcasts from iHeart

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<v Speaker 2>in Wolf Entertainment, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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<v Speaker 2>wherever you get your favorite shows. Thanks for listening,