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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little known fascinating

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Speaker 1: facts behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more.

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Speaker 1: We're two guys, but too much free time in our hands.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jordan Ron Tog and I'm Alex Hegel,

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Speaker 1: and today we are talking about Air Force One. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about one of the mid nineties most glowing error

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Speaker 1: action movies. Is that what you call them plane action

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Speaker 1: sinks on a plane, aviation Well, stinks on a plane

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Speaker 1: is like mid two thousand's. I'm talking about this shining

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Speaker 1: four year period in American mainstream cinema where we could

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Speaker 1: not get enough of planes in peril. Independence Day, featuring

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Speaker 1: my favorite cinematic president in Bill Pullman, comes out nine six.

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Speaker 1: Executive Decision also comes out that year with ker Raw Soul,

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Speaker 1: and then Conair of Course, which is just one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest plane action movies of all time, is nine seven.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, planes were having a moment, plans for event

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Speaker 1: a moment. I'm surprised to hear you say that Bill

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Speaker 1: Pullman in Independence Day is your favorite movie president, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it's all about James Marshall in

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Speaker 1: Air Force one, I mean Harrison for this is quite

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Speaker 1: possibly my favorite Harrison Ford movie, which is a ridiculous

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Speaker 1: and bad take. Um, I hate you so much. I mean, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll be the first admit I'm not an action flick connoisseur,

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Speaker 1: but it okay, let's back up first. For anyone who

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Speaker 1: is not familiar with you, you are not an action

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Speaker 1: movie person. Yeah. No, you can't see me right now,

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Speaker 1: but I'm wearing an an argyle cardigan right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen too many action movies in my day,

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Speaker 1: so my my scope is limited. But this has got

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Speaker 1: to be one of the best of all time. It's

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Speaker 1: just such an incredibly well crafted film. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: die Hard set aboard the Presidential I mean, what's not

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Speaker 1: to look. It's a great elevator pitch, and I mean

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Speaker 1: that's I think that's how we got all these movies.

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Speaker 1: Was die Hard on a blank you know that Hard

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Speaker 1: a boat was Speed to cruise Control. Yeah, so what

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Speaker 1: you saw this at the right time? I guess yeah,

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Speaker 1: I saw it soon after it came out. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: was just one of those movies that wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 1: see because I would have been like ten or eleven

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Speaker 1: I saw it again recently and it's still so it's

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Speaker 1: in the zeit geist. I remember to get off my plane.

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Speaker 1: But for me, this three year stretch was dominated by

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Speaker 1: the seven This was like the stretch of like Will

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Speaker 1: Smith Dominance, Yeah, and then conn Air, which was on

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Speaker 1: next ten years. Since it's I God, I love Connor. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: on this episode, we're going to learn about Air Force

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Speaker 1: One's strange connection to the Wizard of Oz, Harrison Ford's

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Speaker 1: strange connection to Bill Clinton, how the filming almost caused

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Speaker 1: a major military incident, and whether or not President James

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Speaker 1: Marshall is a Democrat or Republican or a member of

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Speaker 1: the Green Party. So folks, stay tuned because we are

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Speaker 1: coming at you with everything you didn't know about the

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Speaker 1: movie Air Force one. This is so fascinating to me. Well,

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Speaker 1: I love this guy's career. I think it's so weird

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Speaker 1: and specific, So give me the wolf. Air Force one

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Speaker 1: was directed by the German filmmaker Wolfgang Peterson, whose breakthrough

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Speaker 1: It's got World War Two, it's got good decent men

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Speaker 1: this movie cemented wolf Getting Peterson's reputation not only is

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Speaker 1: And he was known throughout his career for just exhaustive

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Speaker 1: But there were a lot of fortuitous connections. While wolf

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Speaker 1: Ford as Indiana Jones is boarding a nazi U boat.

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Speaker 1: the ultimate action by land by Oh Star Wars. Is

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Speaker 1: he would truly be unstoppable. That's very true, let's getting

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Speaker 1: They're schmoozing, Bill Clinton's playing the saxophone Arsenio Hall is there?

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Speaker 1: oh as well, like yeah, it's it's it's not a

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Speaker 1: good look. It's the Captain Phillips pirate line. I am

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Speaker 1: the captain now, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's not a good look.

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Speaker 1: And this was not a good look for Alexander Haig.

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Speaker 1: It just came across as a weird power grab. But

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Speaker 1: there's a connection between Ronald Reagan and President James Marshall

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Speaker 1: aka Farrison Ford in Air Force One. There was a

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Speaker 1: novelization of Air Force One that was published just before

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Speaker 1: the film came out in June, and author Max Allan

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Speaker 1: Collins took the central plot of this movie and embellished

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Speaker 1: it a great deal. He developed the characters and he

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Speaker 1: goes into their background. Um James Marshall is a first

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Speaker 1: term president up for re election that same year. He's

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Speaker 1: where he's a Native son, and he graduated from the

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Speaker 1: University of Iowa in the early seventies, and he is

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Speaker 1: a Republican. That is the the that is the link

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Speaker 1: between Reagan and James Marshall, the both members of the

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Speaker 1: gop UH. He's described in the novel as a quote

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Speaker 1: moderate Republican version of Bill Clinton minus the womanizing reputation

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Speaker 1: and without a hint of personal or professional scandal. And

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Speaker 1: he also possesses a smile that's described as quote the

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Speaker 1: most valuable weapon in his public relations arsenal. So that

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Speaker 1: guy Max aw and Collins wrote for the kind of

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Speaker 1: strip Dick Tracy for a number of years, and he

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Speaker 1: wrote the graphic novel that Road to Perdition was based on, which,

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Speaker 1: for those of you keeping track at home, puts our

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Speaker 1: number of Air Force one, Tom Hanks connections at two.

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Speaker 1: That's the taco bell sound. All right, back on jack alright,

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Speaker 1: speaking of long loss see group backstories. One of the

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Speaker 1: biggest mysteries of this movie, and something that really bothered

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Speaker 1: me upon rewatching it recently, was the reason why Secret

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Speaker 1: Service Agent Gibbs conspired with the terrorists and sold out

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Speaker 1: the president and by extension, the rest of his country.

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Speaker 1: Apparently the original script was going to answer this question.

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Speaker 1: It featured a scene that explained gives his treason his motivation,

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Speaker 1: but it was cut from the film because it was

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Speaker 1: felt like it was too long and slowed the pacing.

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Speaker 1: But according to director Wolfgang Peterson, secret Service Agent Gibbs

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Speaker 1: was a former CIA agent who suffered financially after the

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Speaker 1: end of the Cold War for reasons unknown, and thus

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Speaker 1: became angry with the American government and wanted revenge. And

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Speaker 1: he knew these terrorists from a CIA days, so they

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Speaker 1: included him in on their operations. In an earlier version

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Speaker 1: of the script, Gibbs was actually outed as the mole

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Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the movie when the terrorists

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Speaker 1: take over the plane, but they decided to wait until

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Speaker 1: the end of the movie for Gibbs to reveal himself

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Speaker 1: as the traitor, and the presidential missed because it's so

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Speaker 1: much more suspenseful and also creates so many painful moments,

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Speaker 1: Like there's a moment when the unsuspecting president hands him

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Speaker 1: a gun and tells him the stand guard not knowing

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Speaker 1: that he's just armed the trader in his mits. A

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Speaker 1: lot of great moments like that. So that is the

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Speaker 1: story about why the secret Service agent turned on the President.

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Speaker 1: I love that actors Andrew Berkeley from the mid nineties.

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Speaker 1: He's just like weasily dickhead and everything. That's when the

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Speaker 1: central casting needed a guy who was like, had a

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Speaker 1: weak chin and projected grossness, and they would just pick him. Um.

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Speaker 1: I forgot about something when we were researching this and

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Speaker 1: I just remembered, which is, do you remember this scandal

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Speaker 1: with the Secret Service agents that the Post uncovered the

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Speaker 1: Carol Lennig and Peter Herman at the Washington Post, I

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Speaker 1: just did this big expose a on how terrible the

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Speaker 1: Secret Service actually is. When was this? Was this at

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Speaker 1: the time of their fourth one coming out? Or no?

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Speaker 1: This is oh wow? No, high ranking agents in the

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Speaker 1: Secret Service allegedly drove drunk through a crime scene at

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Speaker 1: the White House and March four. Among the other things

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Speaker 1: that came out through this investigation that the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: did was Secret Service agents and a White House volunteer

498
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Speaker 1: allegedly hiring prostitutes in Colombia, a White House fence jumper

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Speaker 1: who made it fairly far into the building, sniper shots

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Speaker 1: that the Service didn't know hit the White House until

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Speaker 1: days later, and an incident where a man carrying a

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Speaker 1: gun was let into an elevator with President Obama. So

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Speaker 1: maybe this all could have happened. But now it's time

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Speaker 1: as the long arc of history bends towards justice, and

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Speaker 1: all podcasts bend towards Gary Oldman. Yes, Agent Gibbs, as

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Speaker 1: we just mentioned, played by Xander Berke is creepy, but

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Speaker 1: Gary Oldman in this movie as political zealot Ivan korsion

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Speaker 1: Of is just absolutely terrifying in his intensity. He brings

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Speaker 1: an almost religious fervor to this role, and his performance

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Speaker 1: earned him the nicknames Scary Gary during production. But thankfully,

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Speaker 1: unlike most insanely intense actors, he did not remain in

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Speaker 1: character in between scenes. In fact, he was no nice,

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Speaker 1: funnio and genial off screen that director Wolfgang Peterson has

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Speaker 1: said that the experience was more like and this is

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Speaker 1: a quote Air Force Fund, Gary Oldman exemplifies the live

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Speaker 1: Moss mentality continue as you were, Uh huh. Harrison Ford

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Speaker 1: later cited Gary Oldman's character as his favorite on screen enemy,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty impressive. Mean, Darth Vader is on that list,

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Speaker 1: and the bunch of Nazis in Indiana Jones. That's high praise.

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Speaker 1: And it's also pretty impressive that he chose Gary Oldman

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Speaker 1: because the scene when they actually meet face to face

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Speaker 1: for the first time in the movie, Gary Oldman actually

523
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Speaker 1: smacks him for real. You see the scene where Gary

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Speaker 1: Oldman pushes Harrison Ford's face against the wall of the

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Speaker 1: airplane with all the buttons and stuff. There's like the

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Speaker 1: big climactic moment when the two finally meet face to

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Speaker 1: face near the end of the movie, and they were

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Speaker 1: having trouble making everything look authentic, so the choreograph moves

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Speaker 1: that they've rehearsed just went out the window because I

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Speaker 1: didn't look convincing on camera. So finally Harrison Ford just

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Speaker 1: told Gary Oldman to hit him for real, and that's

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Speaker 1: the take that's used in the final film, Gary, I

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Speaker 1: want you to hit me. Yeah. Harrison Ford not a

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Speaker 1: great pilot, great screen combatant. I love. I think it

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Speaker 1: was in like I Love the seventies or something. But

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Speaker 1: remember how sparks. Oh yeah, he makes the great observation

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Speaker 1: that Harrison Ford's punches as Indiana Jones sound like they're

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Speaker 1: breaking the speed barriers, you know, just like like just

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Speaker 1: these it's just incredible. And there's that famous thing in

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Speaker 1: Raiders of the Lost Art but the guy with the

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Speaker 1: big sword, he's like whipping the sword around and Indie

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Speaker 1: just pulls out a gun and shoots him because he

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Speaker 1: had been shooting his pants all day and was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have a fight scene in me,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to do that. But I assumed that

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Speaker 1: was written just as a joke because he just, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you don't know this, okay. So there's that whole

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Speaker 1: bit and Raiders of the Last art during the scene

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Speaker 1: when Marion is um kidnapped in the market and where

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Speaker 1: are they America? And Indie runs around a corner and

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Speaker 1: there's a baddie with a big, an enormous sword. He

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Speaker 1: does the like throws the sword back and forth between

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Speaker 1: his hands and he's doing all the bad guy's sword

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Speaker 1: waving stuff. And he was supposed to be a big

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Speaker 1: choreographed fight and I guess Harrison Ford had dysentery or

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever you get from being overseas, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think he pitched it to George Lucas. He was like, George,

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Speaker 1: one of George one. If I just shoot the guy,

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Speaker 1: my brains out, George, I don't have this one in me.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's just such an incredible scene because all

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Speaker 1: this momentum has been building up and you're like conditioned

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Speaker 1: to think that's going to be a big fight scene.

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Speaker 1: He just like very distractedly pulls out his gun and

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Speaker 1: shoots him. But Harrison Ford loves to fight, apparently for real.

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Speaker 1: There is this. I implore everyone reading this to stop what,

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Speaker 1: pause the podcast, come back to it, but pause it

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Speaker 1: and look up Harrison Ford Ryan Gosling punch because in

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Speaker 1: the movie Blade Runner, Harrison Ford actually punched Ryan Gosling

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Speaker 1: in the face accidentally, and there is a high quality

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Speaker 1: still of that moment that is out there that is transformative.

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Speaker 1: And then like last year, he's seventy eight and he

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Speaker 1: dislocated his shoulder shooting the New Indiana Jones while rehearsing

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Speaker 1: a fight scene. Harrison Ford loves to fight. Hashtag I

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Speaker 1: mean that's gonna that's gonna make my next two notes

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Speaker 1: about Gary Oldman nowhere near is uh kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of a damp squib after those incredible facts, um, Gary Oldman.

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Speaker 1: Two interesting facts. He used his fee for this movie

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Speaker 1: Air for Us one to fund this directorial debut, Nil

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Speaker 1: by Mouth with Ray Winstone, a great famous British batty

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Speaker 1: character actor who is in The Departed and the birthday

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Speaker 1: that comes up on the i D screen and Gary

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Speaker 1: Olban's character is getting searched by security at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the movie when they bore the plane. That's his

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Speaker 1: actual birthday. March by Mouth won two BAFT Awards, so

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Speaker 1: worth it, worth it, but still doesn't have the fireworks

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Speaker 1: of Harrison Ford punching Ryan Gosling in the face. So

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I need to I need a sound board

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Speaker 1: effect on my phone. Now you know what I bet

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Speaker 1: it sounded like when Harrison Ford punched Ryan Gosling in

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Speaker 1: the face. So, speaking of lawsuits, because we're almost surely

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Speaker 1: gonna get sued for using the taco belt thing this

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Speaker 1: much A yeah, it's free ad space. Think, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: really should. And having said all that, we'll be right

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Speaker 1: back with more too much information right after this. So

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Speaker 1: the role of the president's daughter, Alice was originally offered

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Speaker 1: to actress gen Malone, who I understand you hold something

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Speaker 1: of a torch for torches isn't the right word. She's

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Speaker 1: just as in some of my all time favorite movies.

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Speaker 1: She's in Donnie Darko, She's in Contact as the young

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Speaker 1: version of Jody Foster's character, The Ballad of Jack and Rose,

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Speaker 1: and Pride and Prejudice. She's also in step Mom in

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Speaker 1: The Hunger Games. She was encouraged to try out for

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Speaker 1: Air Force one, and since sarahs and Ford was already attached,

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Speaker 1: this was basically like, you know, a one way ticket

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Speaker 1: to superstardom. But she turned the part down because she

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Speaker 1: didn't find the role interesting, which I mean, it's totally

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Speaker 1: fair because the role is mostly crying but crazy integrity

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Speaker 1: for a thirteen year old. So yeah, gentle alone walked

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Speaker 1: away from the part. But the person that they did

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Speaker 1: get to play the role was equally amazing. The part

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Speaker 1: was played by the actress Lisel Matthews, which is going

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Speaker 1: to be like a bar tribute name unto eternity because

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Speaker 1: she's really only known so much for a Little Princess.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of people think on that movie very fondly.

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Speaker 1: You have a crush on Leze Matthews or nine year

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Speaker 1: old Yeah, okay, anyway, she was a great actress. Director

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Speaker 1: Wolf King Peterson said he loved working with her because

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Speaker 1: she could cry on que which is, you know, good

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Speaker 1: skill for an actress to have. Matthews doesn't have much

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Speaker 1: else on her resume besides the Little Princess An Air

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Speaker 1: Force one. There's a movie she didn't the year two

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Speaker 1: thousand called Blast, which I know nothing about. But she

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Speaker 1: doesn't need to act or do anything because she's a

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Speaker 1: member of one of the wealthiest families in the country.

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Speaker 1: Her full name is Lezel Pritsker Simmons, and the Pritzker

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Speaker 1: family has been at the top of the Forbes Richest

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Speaker 1: Families list since two They founded the Hyatt chain. They

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Speaker 1: owned the brand if Airlines and Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.

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Speaker 1: They have controlling interest in magazines like McCall's. They can

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Speaker 1: they controlled TransUnion. Technically somewhere, Lizel Matthews has your credit

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Speaker 1: score at her fingertips. But much like every famous family,

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Speaker 1: they all hated each other, and they all wanted each

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Speaker 1: other's money. I don't know, maybe I'm projecting. Lizel was

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Speaker 1: a freshman at Columbia, and she fired a six billion

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Speaker 1: dollar lawsuit against her dad and eleven of her older cousins,

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Speaker 1: claiming that they misappropriated money from trusts established for her

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Speaker 1: and her brother. In early two thousand five, the parties

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Speaker 1: settled the lawsuit and the family fortune was split eleven ways,

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Speaker 1: so that result placed all eleven print Skers into the

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Speaker 1: Forbes four hundred, the most members from any single family,

641
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: which is so nice for them. Under the settlement, Lizel

642
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: and her brother each received roughly two hundred and eighty

643
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: million dollars in cash, and we're giving control over other

644
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: trusts valued at about a hundred and seventy million dollars each.

645
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: So she doesn't need need Holliday would what is she

646
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: up to? Does she have like a rich kids of Instagram? Uh?

647
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: I think she's like a philanthropist. Now I think she's like, oh,

648
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: yeah she is. She's doing good to the world. Yeah,

649
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: she found something even more lucrative than acting with Harrison

650
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: Ford and she's done some good for the world. So

651
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: I say, well done. Alright, fine, I withdraw a portion

652
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: of my bio. Anyway, now that we're done with the

653
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: casting and and the behind the scenes of director Wolf

654
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: King Peterson's attention to detail in the filming of Air

655
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: Force One was at a cross roam. Yes. They began

656
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: filming in September of n To start, they chose the

657
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: most difficult scene that included two d and fifty members

658
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: of the armed forces. I guess maybe maybe they wanted

659
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: to just get that out of the way first. I

660
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: can understand that. So it's really insane. It's when Air

661
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Force One makes a chaotic emergency landing at Ramstein Air

662
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: Force Base in Germany. Koreans around the runway, narrowly missing

663
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: transport vehicles and other aircraft and people as the presidential

664
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: pilots are trying to wrestle the terrorists for control of

665
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: the plane and then it takes off again. And this

666
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: wasn't done with c g I. This was actually done

667
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: with a real seven forty seven and an assortment of

668
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: aircrafts on loan from the military, which is just the

669
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: amount of cooperation between the production and all four branches

670
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: of the U. S Military and National Guard was just insane.

671
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: They allows has to be a record, right, like, you

672
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: don't get this anymore. After nine eleven. The government was

673
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: just like, hey, have a bunch of our planes. They're

674
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: making a movie that sounds fun, Mozel, We're not using these,

675
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: but put some gas in the tank when you're done

676
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: and give them back. So the Army allowed the production

677
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: to film at the Rickenbacker Air National Guard Base in Ohio,

678
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: which stood in for Ramstein, and they kicked in a

679
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of resources. Um in honor of my stepbrothers

680
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: serving the r Force right now, I'd like to do

681
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: a quick rundown for him and any other Air Force

682
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: gear heads out there. The military contributed six f fifteen

683
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: fighters and MC I thirty E talent, a C five

684
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: A transport, a C one four one Star lifter to

685
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: UH sixty nine black Hawk helicopters, and a pair of

686
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: C one thirty cargo plans. I don't know what any

687
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: of that meant, but hopefully some people do and enjoyed

688
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: that these weren't all in Ohio. You mentioned two of

689
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: them were from Florida, the third was from California. There

690
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: were others from New Jersey. Yeah, these were shipped in

691
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: and along with approximately two fifty military personnel on hand

692
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: to maintain and operate all this equipment, and also twenty

693
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: military ground vehicles, and basically, in exchange for their support,

694
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: the Air Force was given script approval to basically ensure

695
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: that the military was being shown in a positive light

696
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: for the film. Pretty nuts, I guess. I don't know.

697
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Maybe they saw it as like a chance to have

698
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: almost like a giant recruitment poster in a big budget

699
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: Hollywood move the I don't know, Yeah, I mean this

700
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: would have been right around when did black Hawk Down happen.

701
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they Yeah, it was ninety three. Yeah, they probably

702
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: needed the good press anyway, So the scene of the

703
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: May day on Air Force One was shot at Rickenbacker

704
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: Air Force Base, which we just said and it was

705
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: just insane. Wolfgang Peterson would say that it was quote

706
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: one of the most difficult scenes I've ever done, involved

707
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: an air base at night with the seven forty seven.

708
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: We were using his Air Force one and an escort

709
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: of six F fifteens. The seven forty seven was trying

710
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: to land while they were twenty or thirty helicopters. You

711
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: didn't even mentioned the F fifteens earlier, No I did.

712
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh did you six of them? Those are what like

713
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: billion dollar planes each? Jesus Christ, that's what my Steprother

714
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: w Yeah, those ain't cheap. The seven forty seven was

715
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: trying to land while they were twenty or thirty helicopters,

716
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: troops and many types of military vehicles on the tarmac

717
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: and everything is moving. It's difficult enough to shoot with

718
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: just the seven forty seven. Very true, and the scenes

719
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 1: supposed to be taking place at night, but they needed

720
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: a small amount of light so that the plan would

721
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: be visible on camera. So this restricted filming to just

722
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: to fifteen minute intervals each day at dusk and dawn.

723
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: So not only this insane aerial ballet have to occur,

724
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: but it has to occur in a very specific fifteen

725
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: minutes set twice a day, further complicating matters. As if

726
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: it needed further complications, the breaks on the seven forty

727
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: seven needed to be cooled down after each run, which

728
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: meant that it took sixty hours to get ten takes,

729
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: and all sorts of calculations were made to get the

730
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: acceleration and the breaking distances with weight and air density

731
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: to establish a maximum speed. Everything was just it was

732
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: a giant calculus problem. I don't I don't know matter,

733
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: and everything was meticulously storyboarded out like a comic book

734
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: to get these very near misses picture perfect. The only

735
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: bit of movie trickery that was involved was that they

736
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: filmed at half speed, which meant they could take everything slower,

737
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: so as like the planes clipping the trees and narrowly

738
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: avoiding expensive, multi million, possibly billion dollars military vehicles, they

739
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: could take it a little slower and get a little

740
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: more accuracy. They shot it at fifteen frames a second,

741
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: but when it was projected back at twenty four frames

742
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: a second, it all look normal, look like everything was

743
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: happening at breakneck speeds, so a hundred and twenty knots

744
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: rather than a glacial sixty knots, which is still pretty

745
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: damn fast. Incidentally, as if you couldn't surmise from all

746
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: of what Jordan just said, there were a number of

747
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: problems with this production with these planes for shots when

748
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: a real plane was needed. For example, in this whole

749
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: mad cap first day of production, uh, they rented a

750
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: Boeing seven seven wide body passenger jet formerly owned by

751
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: Japanese Airlines, which took a crew of ten people working

752
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: twelve hour shifts four days to re shell it to

753
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: give it an Air Force one paint job costing three

754
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: hundred grand. I am shocked the budget for this movie

755
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: was eight five million. I honestly, the way that these

756
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: numbers are shaping up, it should have been so much higher.

757
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: This is like Titanic level budget. Yeah, yeah, which we'll

758
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: get into that later if that's one of my other

759
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: favorite bits about this. So there is one crucial giveaway

760
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: that it is not the real thing. The actual Air

761
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: Force one has a bulge in its nose for mid

762
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: air refueling sessions as we see in the movie, but

763
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: regular seven forty seven's like this one do not have

764
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: that bulge, but regardless, it was a very convincing facsimile,

765
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: so convincing in fact, that to F A eighteen fighter

766
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: jets passed over it while they were flying over l

767
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: A X saw the fake bullet holes in the fuselage

768
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: and scrambled to intercept it because they thought someone had

769
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: been taking pot shots at the President while in air. Thankfully,

770
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: base command told them it was a giant movie prop

771
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: before there was some kind of international air incident. I

772
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: love that. I mean, I guess we should be thankful

773
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: they weren't like drunk like the Secret Service apparently. Anyway,

774
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: I digress. We've talked a little bit about these different

775
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: sound stage overlaps, about how many of your favorite movies

776
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: were all done on the exact same desolate stretch of

777
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: back lot. So, as with most movies, the majority of

778
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: the scenes in this film were shot on a sound stage,

779
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: in this case the Sony Pictures Lot in Hollywood. A

780
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: full scale replica of Air Force one was built on

781
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: the country's largest film stage, which is Stage fifteen at

782
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: the Sony Pictures Lot, also coincidentally the site where Judy

783
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: Garland strolled the yellow brick road in the Wizard of

784
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: Oz and not far from where Jeopardy is filmed, and

785
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: where they did was at the pirate ship Hook. Yeah

786
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: in Hook. Anyway, all three levels of flight decks were

787
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: built to the exact size. Production designer William Sandel is

788
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: quoted as saying, we worked from drawings, whatever official photos

789
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: we were given, and any published photos we could find

790
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: in newspapers and magazines, and of course the tour that

791
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: they got. He went on to add, we designed the

792
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: look of each level to reflect the mood of the script.

793
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Cold and austere, your blues and grays for the upper level,

794
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: which is the nerve center of the plane, and warm

795
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: grays and beiges for the middle level, where the business

796
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: of the presidency takes place. The mysterious lower level was

797
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: designed to be very dark and foreboding and almost spooky place,

798
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: with a nod to das Boot in real life. Approximately

799
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty eight miles of wire are wound

800
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: through air Force one, and this is more than twice

801
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: the wiring that you would find in a comparable seven

802
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: forty seven, which is to protect it from the electromagnetic

803
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: pulse generated by thermonuclear blast, which as viewer long time

804
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: listeners will recognize from our Oceans eleven podcast, in which

805
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: we did a long dissection of the science behind a

806
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: pinch the electromagnetic pulse device from that movie. Anyway, according

807
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: to Harrison Ford, set looked pretty close to the real thing. Obviously.

808
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: I imagine him doing the hand back and forth gesture,

809
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: like pretty close. I don't have a good Harrison Ford impression.

810
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: Well you were, You were doing a great Harrison Ford

811
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: impression earlier. You doctor the results. What's the speech from

812
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: it belongs in a museum. He's only ever yelling in

813
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: my mind, where do we do the eraser head whet?

814
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: And I give you the full force of my David

815
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: Lynch oppression. Um So the thing looks pretty close to

816
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: the real thing, And I mean, this is fun. They

817
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: built it on top of a bunch of hydraulic gimbals

818
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: so that each individual section of this set could be

819
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: rocked back and forth to simulate turbulence and air flight.

820
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: And you know, all of this was happening right where

821
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: Dorothy's house crushed the Wicked Witch. So movie magic, hashtag

822
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: movie magic. The more you know, and there's another beloved

823
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: nineties blockbuster connection here. Jordan's tell us about that. Oh,

824
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: I love this speaking of Air Force ones ties the

825
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: cinematic history. The Russian prison that Radic, the jail dictator

826
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: has let out of at the end of the movie

827
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: is the same one that was used in the Shawshank Redemption.

828
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: It's the Ohio State Reformatory. And god Smack also filmed

829
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: the video for the two thousand song Awake there too. Yeah,

830
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: that's the song that's in the Navy, that's in the

831
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: that's their navy recruiting song. Don don don don don

832
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: don don't do do Do do screen Jun And then

833
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: there's um. I think it's one of my favorite voice actors,

834
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: Keith David, and he's like Navy Accelerate True life. Anyway,

835
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Oh buddy, come on, surely you've

836
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: seen the I don't know why I'm some bullets on

837
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: this called us a Navy. I love Keith David anyway,

838
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: god Smack digression over Weirdly, the actor Brian Libby played

839
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: a bit part in both shaw Shank and her first one.

840
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: And while we're on the topic of cross movie cameos,

841
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, the actor who plays the evil

842
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: General Raddick Urgan Approach now start as the captain of

843
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: the U boat in Wolfgang Peterson's breakthrough hit Dos boot Um.

844
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: Ohio got a lot of play in this production. Raddick's

845
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: Palace seen in the film's opening, was shot at two

846
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: locations in Cleveland. The exterior where the paratroopers land is

847
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: Severance Hall, the home of the Cleveland Philharmonic Orchestra, and

848
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: the interior was the Cuyahoga County Courthouse. And then there's

849
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: the Rickenbacker Air Force Base, which, as we mentioned earlier,

850
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: that's also in Ohio. So I've almost been offering some

851
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: crazy tax breaks for film productions or something like, there's

852
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: a lot of filming done there. Yeah, I wonder if

853
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: they go Ohio was the Georgia of the nineties. You know,

854
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: everything is filmed in Georgia these days because like crazy

855
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: tax breaks through um. So this is prefaced by you

856
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: writing I don't want to get too into the airplane Minutia,

857
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: but we will. Yes. I just want to shout out

858
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: the final scene of this movie, which is insane. So

859
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: to recap for those who haven't seen it in a while,

860
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 1: or to spoil it for those who have never seen

861
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: it at all. Air Force One can't land, and it's

862
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: running out of fuel and it's going to crash into

863
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: the Caspian c So a military aircraft pulls up alongside

864
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: it and fires a zip line into the open airplane

865
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: door of Air Force one, and the plan is a

866
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: zip line the President and his family off the crippled

867
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: airplane and into this military craft flying alongside it, connected

868
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: by a thin zip line. And I assumed this all

869
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: had to be primitive c g I or some kind

870
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: of green screen effect. But these crazy bastards actually had

871
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: a seven forty seven jet flying in formation within a

872
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: few feet of a military m C one thirty, and

873
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: then a modified B camera plane flying alongside it to

874
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: film it all. So this is just this crazy aerial ballet.

875
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: They filmed this off the coast of California, above the

876
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: Channel Islands, and they even tried to film a dummy

877
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: on the cable that was in place between the two planes.

878
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: They called the dummy Felix, and it was dressed in

879
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: a suit to resemble Harrison Ford. But once it was

880
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: tossed out of the plane, it got caught in the

881
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: jet stream and its clothes were ripped off and it

882
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: just flailed in the wind. Itch is not very presidential

883
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: and should that They should have just done it with Harrison,

884
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: because then then somewhere would be dailies of Harrison Ford

885
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: being stripped naked. Just Jane stopped this crazy thing. Wolfgang, Wolfgang.

886
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: There's rats and here Wolfgang. It's a Jetson's reference wrapped

887
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: within a deer Hunter reference. Folks, you're not going to

888
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: get that on any other podcast. Yeah, you were wrong

889
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: about doesn't have anything on us. Yeah, radio allowed. No, No,

890
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I just would have loved to have seen

891
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: a nude Harrison Ford unable to stop himself flying into

892
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: an open door of an aircraft mid flight. But sadly

893
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: we did not get that. And that's also a very interesting,

894
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: very vivid demonstration of what we were talking about earlier,

895
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: with the parachutes not working at that altitude, I suppose. So, yeah,

896
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: this idea was abandoned after the dummy Felix was left

897
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: in tatters. Yeah, and the filmmakers decided to use visual

898
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: effects for all the shots of people on the cable.

899
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: But still three planes flying in formation, three very big planes.

900
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: It's insane. It's insane. This is making me love this

901
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: movie so much more. As we mentioned, earlier. Air First

902
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: one is not a fixed location. It exists in all

903
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: of our state of minds. Air Force one large planes

904
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: a state of mind, And so that happens at the

905
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: end after he's spoiler alerts, after he's successfully rescued, the

906
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: m C one thirty pilot says, Liberty twenty four is

907
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: changing call signs. Liberty twenty four is now air Force one.

908
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: So obviously the inference there is that any air Force

909
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: aircraft carrying the president is air Force one. Now, fun fact,

910
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: helicopters cannot be air Force one because the Marine Corps

911
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: are is in charge of the helicopter, so the helicopter

912
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: is Marine one, but not air Force one. And if

913
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: then the President flies on a Navy aircraft, it would

914
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: be Navy one. So since the air Force maintains the

915
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: president's plane, it's designated as air Force one. But if

916
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: the President is in a civilian aircraft, it's call sign

917
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: is Executive one, which is all needlessly complicated to me. No,

918
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: if so, if the President takes Jeff Blue, Jeff Blue

919
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: is now Executive one. Alright, So I don't remember anything

920
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: about the score for this movie, but this score has

921
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: popped up many places, right you said Trump uses the

922
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: score for this. Yeah, Trump, who is an enormous fan

923
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: of this movie, as we'll we'll get too later, use

924
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: this a lot of his rallies. I think he used

925
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: the theme. I think it's called parachutes, when the hostages

926
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: are triumphantly leaping out of the plane. UM. I think

927
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: he used that when he took the stage to give

928
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: his um his victory speech the night that he won

929
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: the election. But we almost could have had a very

930
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: different score. This is funny. So, as we've mentioned many times,

931
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: director Will King Peterson is famous for his eye for detail,

932
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: so it's somewhat surprising that he tapped Randy Newman, of

933
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: all people, to do the orchestral score for Air Force one.

934
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: You know Randy Newman. I don't know if you knew this.

935
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: Randy Newman comes from like movie scoring royalty, not just

936
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: Alfred Newman, but Thomas Newman. They are the most Oscar

937
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: nominated family, the Newman's, because of all their scores. What

938
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: did Alfred and Thomas do? Oh? Boy, I mean, how

939
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: much time do you have? Sorry, no, it's it's let's

940
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: let's highlights real. So Alfred did or was an earlier

941
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: era He did Wuthering Heights, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Mark

942
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: of Zoro, How Griem is My Valley? All about Eve

943
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: Love is a many splendord thing, The Diary of Anne Frank,

944
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: How the West was one greatest story ever told. His

945
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: final score was for Airport in nine, all of which

946
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: were nominated or won Academy Awards. He did the twentieth

947
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: Century Fox Fanfair. Uh what that's Randy Newman's uncle or

948
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: father uncle Wow Alfred Newman is Randy Newman's uncle. His son, Thomas,

949
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: Randy's cousin, has scored over seventy five films, including Little Women,

950
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: shawsh Ank, Redemption, American Beauty, Road to Perdition, Finding Nemo,

951
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: The Good German, Wally Skyfall fifteen Academy Award nominations for him,

952
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: and Randy is a two time Academy Award winner. So yes,

953
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: the Newman's of the most Academy Award nominated family in

954
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: Oscar history. Randy had just come off of Toy Story

955
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: and James and the Giant Peach, so it's not completely

956
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: insane that he would tap Randy Newman for this, But

957
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: it is like there's a quantifiable difference between Toy Story

958
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: and Air Force Juan. Yes, that's true. It does seem

959
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: a little out of his wheelhouse. Do you think about

960
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: these big like Michael Bay drum pounding productions or like

961
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: like he's not a Hans Zimmer will say. I mean,

962
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: the theory was that Peterson was attracted to Randy Numan's

963
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: ability to sort of evoke Americana, which is something he

964
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: did really well in the soundtrack for The Natural with

965
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: Robert Redford and Avalon, and later on in the score

966
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: that he did for Pleasantville. But a lot of Randy

967
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: Newman's nods to Americana have kind of a satirical edge,

968
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: and they're very sarcastic and biting me. Yes, I mean,

969
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of the albums he put out

970
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: in the seventies, I mean sail Away, especially the song

971
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: Political Science, or the album Good Old Boys, which was

972
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: originally envisioned as a concept album about the Deep South

973
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: and had songs about poverty and the recession and the

974
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: assassinated Louisiana politician Huey Long. There's the album Little Criminals,

975
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 1: which has the hit short People. So the satirical side

976
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: came out when he wrote the score to Air Force one,

977
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: wolf get. Peterson wanted, like you said, a stirring flag

978
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: waving Hans Zimmer like theme, but instead he got something

979
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: from Randy Newman that sounded to him like a parody.

980
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: It sounded like he was basically taking the piss, and

981
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: there was just sort of a silliness to parts of it,

982
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: which totally undercut the movie. I mean, that's what you

983
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: need in these kinds of action movies. They're inherently ridiculous,

984
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: and the whole illusion falls apart, whether or not presented

985
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: with a completely straight face. So even the Q titles

986
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: are pretty funny. And the bootleg versions of Randy Newman's

987
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: score that that's making the rounds on YouTube, and I

988
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: think it's even come out on c D. There are

989
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: song titles like American bad Guy, pres gets Idea, Got

990
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: Milled and mo Cutes and what does that mean? I

991
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, I actually don't know how real

992
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: these titles are. But that's been like, you know how

993
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: bootlegs that kind of like have makeup, like you know,

994
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: sort of weird working titles or you know, it's kind

995
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: of at the whim of the bootlegger. So maybe that's

996
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: not real, but still i'd like to believe it is. Wait,

997
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: I want to look at some of these now, have

998
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: you heard any of them? The really interesting? Some of

999
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: them good On YouTube? Some people paired Randy Newman's oh

1000
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: yeah you did on video where he put the score

1001
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: up to the scenes. Okay, interesting. I don't think it's

1002
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: better or worse than the gentleman who actually wrote the score,

1003
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: who is legendary composer Jerry Goldsmith. Yeah, Jerry Goldsmith's grade

1004
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: did Star Trek Rambo, Logan's Run, Planet of the Apes, Patent,

1005
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: Chinatown Alien, Poultergeist. I love the Poulter Guist score. It

1006
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: has the creepy kids singing Gremlin's hoosiers. I can't believe

1007
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: he did this. You got this assignment twelve days to

1008
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: write and record a score, that is because they rejected

1009
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: Randy Newman's and all of a sudden Peterson was like,

1010
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: I need a soundtrack a sap. Yeah, twelve days, good lord.

1011
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: And apparently it was such an undertaking that he said

1012
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: he would never take on a project with that kind

1013
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: of turnaround again. I hope they gave him some hazard

1014
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: pay for that. That's funny. We brought up Hans Zimmer

1015
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: because you know, getting back to Randy Newman, Hans zimmer

1016
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: was once quote is saying that he felt he had

1017
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: never written an action queue as good as any of

1018
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: Randy Newman's in Air Force one. Uh. And this is

1019
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: probably my favorite fact about this is that Newman, not

1020
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: one to waste effort, recycled some of this score that

1021
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: was rejected for Toy Story three, which is a film

1022
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: that literally everyone I ever knew talked about bawling like

1023
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: a child at the end of that film when Andy

1024
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: drops his toys off. So there is a connection between

1025
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: large plane movie and a movie that made of America cry.

1026
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: And that connection is Randy Newman being too lazy to

1027
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: write a new score. Oh boy, I love that anyway.

1028
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: And this also contains our third Tom Hanks connection of

1029
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: this episode. That is, oh yeah, I for I completely

1030
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: whipped that in the execution there. That is our third

1031
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: Hanks reference. What do we get for that? We're going

1032
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: to take a quick break, but we'll be right back

1033
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: with more too much information in just a moment. You

1034
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: know we haven't talked about. Is president car the presidential car? Yes,

1035
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: that's right, president car. Yeah, large car, talk about large car.

1036
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: Jordan's so now we're getting into the sort of the

1037
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: odds and ends of production factoids for this movie, and

1038
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: one of them involves the presidential limousine. At the beginning

1039
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 1: of the movie, the president rides in his motorcade back

1040
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: to the plane through Moscow. The United States is the

1041
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: only country in the world that transports his presidential motorcade

1042
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: vehicle to whatever country the president goes. It's you know,

1043
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: most notably these days is the presidential Cadillac limo, nicknamed

1044
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: the Beast. It's always sent ahead by a military cargo plane,

1045
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: so it's in place on the tarmac when the president arrives,

1046
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: which seems like kind of a waste, but I mean

1047
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: it tracks right. Yeah, I guess it's probably a bigger

1048
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: security concern actually have the track down a vehicle and

1049
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: then scope it out and everything for every taking apart. Yeah.

1050
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: Another fact toy on the DVD commentary, Director Wolfgang Peterson

1051
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: has said that he probably wouldn't have made Air Force

1052
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: One after the nine eleven attacks. Terrorists hijacking a jetliner

1053
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: obviously cut a little too close to the bone then

1054
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: and probably now, To be honest, Peterson said that if

1055
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: Air Force One came out after nine eleven. He sure

1056
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: would have been a total flop. Another odds and ends fact.

1057
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: In Air Force One, the first terrorists killed by Harrison

1058
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: Ford's character is played by a name named Elio Vallak.

1059
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: A few years later, he acted in a small role

1060
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: in the sixth season of the TV show Friends, playing

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Speaker 1: a dry cleaner who claims to have never seen Air

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00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: Force One. I have no idea how this came up

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00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: in the plot line, but cute. I like that. Okay, well,

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00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: that segues into our next bit, which is that Harrison

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00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: ford Uh nuclear grade charm apparently did not make it

1066
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: as far as the m p A A A little

1067
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: background for any one he doesn't know. The Motion Picture

1068
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: Association of America has a draconian hold on its ratings process.

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 1: It is a famously fickle and opaque process. The people

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01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: who decide these things are not public facing employees. The

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01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: criteria is not made public. I'm like, I'm a horror

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: movie nerds. So there's all kinds of famous incidences of

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01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: movies that were either chop tissue by the mp A

1074
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: because they were going to give them an X, which

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01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: is like a kiss of death. For a long time,

1076
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: are was a big kiss of Death too, like you

1077
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: couldn't you don't want to have an our movie opening

1078
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: during the summer, like because kids couldn't go see it.

1079
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. What is X now is that you

1080
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: have to be over seventeen, not think it's n C seventeen. Now.

1081
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't use X anymore, but uh yeah, And people

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01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: have all kinds of workarounds for this, Like I think

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01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: the famous thing that horror movies do is they will

1084
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: shoot either decoy scenes that are like way more graphic

1085
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: that they never intend on being in the movie, so

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01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: they can kind of put those in and the m

1087
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: p A Is like, oh my god, but you have

1088
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: to take that scene now, and they're like, of course,

1089
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: I meant never meant to for it to be in

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01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: all along. Or they'll deliberately like overshoot if they have

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01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: like a murder or something, they'll deliberately overshoot that because

1092
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: what the board gets into all these ridiculous things, Like

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01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: in a sex scene, they'll be like, well, you had

1094
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: thirteen thrusts and we'd really like to see that down

1095
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: to like nine. They'll overshoot like a murder scene to

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: take out like six knife stabs and that'll but it's

1097
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: it's asinine too because they've done stuff where they like

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01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: the MPa will request all these cuts and they'll send

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01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: it a new cut to them back that has like

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01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: a third of the cuts, and then there's been instances

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01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: with the m p a's like yeah, that's fine. So anyway,

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01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: numerous people are shots in the film, so they give

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01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: the film an R rating, and like I said earlier,

1104
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: this was still considered something of a kiss of death

1105
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: as far as these big, big budget mainstream blockbusters go.

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01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: So Harrison Ford makes a personal appeal. He flies in

1107
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: with our Seniel Hall, Bill Clinton's they're playing the Tenor

1108
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: Sacks Phone. Six out of the seven members of Fleetwood

1109
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: Mac are there. They're playing Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow.

1110
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: It's the closest to unity the Western world has ever been.

1111
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: It does not work, but funnily enough, this worked before

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01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: because Harrison Ford did make the same appeal to the

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: m b a A for the movie Clear and Present Danger.

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01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: But you only get one, you get the m p

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01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: A only gives you the one. So they say no

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01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: large plane is rated hard are doesn't matter because Harrison

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01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: Ford is the Teflon don Teflon Harrison cut that my god,

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01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: biggest opening for an R rated movie ever, thirty seven

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01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: point one million it's first weekend after being released July,

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Speaker 1: beating out the previous records set by Jordan's What movie

1121
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: Interview with the Vampire. That's dumb. You would have thought

1122
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: it would have been something cool like die Hard. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of releases, Jordan's s Yes, the release of air Force

1124
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: One delayed the release of Titanic, but that's okay because

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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch thought it was better Despite the R rating.

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01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: Our Force One was predicted to be a huge summer

1127
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: blockbuster in and several huge movies had their release dates

1128
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: pushed back so if they didn't compete at the box office.

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01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: One of these was Starship Troopers, which, like Air Force One,

1130
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: was a collaborative partnership between Disney's Touchdown Pictures and the

1131
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: Sony owned Columbia Pictures, and that was pushed back until

1132
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: November so that you know, they weren't competing with themselves.

1133
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: But Air Force One also delayed the release of James

1134
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: Cameron's Titanic. The team behind Air Force One didn't want

1135
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: to go head to head against the historical romance disaster movie,

1136
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: which is being produced by Paramount and twentieth Century Fox,

1137
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: and once again Harrison Ford got involved personally. He threatened

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01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: to end his long relationship with Paramount if they dared

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: to open Titanic against Air Force one in the summer

1140
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: of seven. So Paramount caved and ultimately released in December,

1141
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I think it kind of fits

1142
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: something nice about nice isn't the right word? Or something

1143
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: fitting fitting about a winter release considering Titanic was said

1144
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: in the fridge at North Atlantic. Is there is there

1145
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: a Hanks connection to that? Or just we live in

1146
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: moths again? Oh, we're just still living moss. This has

1147
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: just made me a lot of Harrison Forward so much more.

1148
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: He's personally involved in every aspect of this. Yeah, it's either.

1149
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, the ungenerous reading is that he's mad with power,

1150
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: and he's like, I will personally speak to any institution,

1151
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: no matter how powerful they maybe, and bend them to

1152
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: my will. But it just does make me love him

1153
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: that much more. He's like, I don't care who it is,

1154
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: the President, the m p A A Paramount Pictures itself.

1155
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: I will find and kill God if they interfere with

1156
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: my large plan movie anyway, but the the large boat

1157
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: movie production needed all the help we could get because

1158
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: Titanic had notoriously trouble shoot, with costs balloting to an

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: then unprecedented two hundred million, and there were big fears

1160
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: at Fox that Titanic would be just a huge loser.

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: And Rupert Murdoch, the tsar of Fox don't even know

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: what his title is, himself was skeptical of Titanic, and

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01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: he demanded to see a rough cut just to see

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: what James Cameron has been doing all these years. And hilariously,

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01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe this happened. The cut that was sent

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01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: to Rupert Murdoch was damaged and couldn't be viewed. So

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01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch watched, instead of all things, an advanced cut

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01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: of Air Force One, and Rupert Murdoch loved it. In fact,

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01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: he loved it so much. Then when he finally saw

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01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: a completed cut of the Titanic Epic, the first thing

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01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: he apparently said was it's good, but it's no Air

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01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: Force One, which can you imagine how galling that must

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01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: have been for James Cameron. I love it so much.

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01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: Of course, Titanic proved to be a significantly bigger hit

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01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 1: than Air Force One, becoming the first movie to earn

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01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: over a billion dollars at the box office and winning

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: a host of Oscars, including Best Picture um although Air

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: Force One didn't do too shabby at the box office either,

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: pulling in over three hundred and fifteen million dollars worldwide

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: and ticket sales in its first year alone. Another terrifyingly

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01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: powerful mover and shaker who was a big fan of

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01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: Air Force One was not surprisingly, Harrison Ford's buddy Bill Clinton.

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01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: He reportedly saw the film twice while in office, and

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01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: some sorts of say once was while he was aboard

1185
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: the real Air Force one. Imagine watching Air Force One

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01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: as the gain flight movie aboard air Force one. No,

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01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about that. Clinton gave

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01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: a good reviews, though he was quick to point out

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01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: the elements that strayed from reality, like the escape pod

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01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: and the rear parachute ramp like we talked about earlier. Although,

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01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: like I said, these types of things around a need

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: to know basis, so maybe he just didn't know. Harrison

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Speaker 1: Ford has repeatedly said that despite his friendship with Clinton,

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01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 1: he did not base his performance on him or any

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01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: president quote living or dead. If I were president and

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Speaker 1: I found out that Harrison Ford based his performance on me,

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01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: I would dine out on that story forever. Yeah. I

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: mean that's far more impressive than becoming president of the

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Speaker 1: United States. Um. Another president who loves Air Force One

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump. Conversation starter between those two are one. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: a moment is shared connection. Um. Yeah. He talked about

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01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: this movie in an interview during the lead up to

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01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: the election, but he did not mention the title. This

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01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: is the most trumpiand quote ever. In response to being

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01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: asked his favorite movie, he got astonishingly close to calling

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01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: it Large Plane. He says, my favorite was Harrison Ford

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Speaker 1: on the Plane. It's just just my favorite way of

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01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: describing this movie. Yeah, do you have Harrison Ford on

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Speaker 1: the Plane? I love Harrison Ford, he said, and not

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Speaker 1: just because he rents my properties. He stood up for America. Um.

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01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: Trump's love of middlebrow action movies is well known. I

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01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: will use any excuse to talk about about this because

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01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: it is also one of my favorite movies. But Trump

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01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: loves blood Sport. I didn't know that. I am, of

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01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: course talking about Jean Claude van Dam's undisputed Masterpiece, a

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01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: movie that is so good. He has remade it twice,

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01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: well technically so Kickboxer. He made Kickboxer, and then I

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: think he made blood Sport after that it's the same plot,

1219
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: and then ten years later he made The Quest starring

1220
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: Roger Moore, which is essentially also the same movie, but

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01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: with a bigger budget. Blood Sport is incredible, and this

1222
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: whole Trump bit about it has been repeated so much

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01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,520
Speaker 1: that there is now on oral history at Mal magazine

1224
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: solely fixated on Trump's love of the movie blood Sport.

1225
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: Ground zero for this is New Yorker profile where he's

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01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: being shadowed on his plane and there's this whole moment

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01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: where he talks about how much he loves it because

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: he's brought videos to watch on the flight. One of

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01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: them is Michael, which is the John travel to the

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: Fallen Angel, the Fallen Angel one of what was this thing?

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01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this just goes to show that Highwood always

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01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: moves in cycles, right, because not only do we have

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: the Michael, we had City of Angels, which is the

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: Cage one, which is a remake of the wind Winders

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01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: movie Wings of Desire. Anyway, so Trump has Michael. He's

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01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: in a crossroads and he has Michael and blood Sport

1237
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: on his plan, blood Sport on his plane. He gets

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: bored of Michael predictably, and he puts in blood Sport.

1239
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: And it's Eric Trump's job to fast forward through any

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01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: non action scenes in the movie blood Sport, with the

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01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 1: stated goal being of getting the film's run time down

1242
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: from two hours to a tight forty five minutes, which fair.

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01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: There's not much cows going on in blood Sport, but god,

1244
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: I love that. So Trump's tastes the movies. We got

1245
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: blood Sport, We've got Michael, and we've got Air Force One.

1246
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: Trump has been very vocal about his love of the

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: movie Air Force One, and specifically Harrison Ford's role when

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01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: Harrison was on the plane. Yes, Harrison for I was

1249
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: on the plane. Harrison Ford did not return the compliment.

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01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: He was asked about Trump's love of Air Force One

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: during the presidential campaign, and Harrison Ford's response was to

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: stare down the camera lens and address Trump directly, saying,

1253
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: can you can you read this? And your It was

1254
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: just a movie. Things like this don't happen in real life.

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: Thank you. He went on to say that he didn't

1256
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: think Trump's presidential bid would be successful. Um, so that's

1257
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: one out of two. Harrison Um. Trump was such a

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01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: fan of this film, as we mentioned earlier, that he

1259
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: played a part of the triumphant orchestral score from the

1260
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: soundtrack during many of his campaign stops, often with his

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01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: own Trump jet in the background. The film's producers were

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: not happy about this and asked him to stop using it,

1263
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: but he continued to keep playing it, even on the

1264
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: night he was elected, just prior to taking the stage

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01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: to make his victory speech. Um. Harrison Ford's character of

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01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: James Marshall has proven to be a much less controversial

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01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: presidential figer than Donald J. Trump. Impolls about the best

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: fictitious presidents held in magazines and newspapers and websites over

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Speaker 1: the last twenty five years, James Marshall has come out

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Speaker 1: on top pretty much every time. On the Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal to is just one of many examples. Harrison Ford's

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Speaker 1: character beat out Martin Sheen's Jed Bartlett of the West Wing,

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Speaker 1: which is second place, and your beloved Bill Pullman's Thomas J.

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Speaker 1: Whitmore of Independence Day he came in third. I just

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Speaker 1: love that movie so much and it's the best speech.

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Speaker 1: Harrison Ford arguably kicks more ass in Air Force One,

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Speaker 1: but he does not have a show stopping jingoistic speech

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Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the movie. They do. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not as good. He's not. Only he's not it's

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Speaker 1: not as good. You're okay, I guess it's not. The

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Speaker 1: be afraid speech is no, this is our Independence Day. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so inspiring, it's so good. Um, it's now time to

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Speaker 1: get into a little recurring segment we like to call

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Speaker 1: Alex's fan theory moment. Yes, this would not be a

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Speaker 1: beloved nineties property without an insane internet fan theory. Alex,

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Speaker 1: take us there. Well, the good folks that read it

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Speaker 1: brought us an interesting theory about the shadow plot that

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Speaker 1: animates Air Force one. Uh and it's somehow manages it

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Speaker 1: wants to be both incredibly practical and patently ridiculous. Reddit

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Speaker 1: user Aerostotle and arrow I have to point out here

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Speaker 1: is spelled a e er o like aerospace. Very good. Yeah, whatever,

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Speaker 1: he says. President Marshall wanted to have a policy of

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Speaker 1: never negotiate, no longer tolerate, no longer be afraid with terrorists,

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Speaker 1: but his senior advisors chastised him for it in the

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Speaker 1: limo after his speech. The National Security Advisor was the

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Speaker 1: most harsh with him, and so of course he was

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Speaker 1: the first hostage to be executed by the terrorist. His

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Speaker 1: chief of staff also took a dim view of the policy,

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Speaker 1: and he got shot as well. With his opponents in

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Speaker 1: his inner circle out of the way, he could get

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Speaker 1: on with business. So yes, the entire plot of this movie,

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Speaker 1: according to this person, hinges on Harrison for Ward's character

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Speaker 1: wanting to remove all of his political rivals in his

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Speaker 1: inner circle literally physically, and has the added bonus of

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Speaker 1: helping him win reelection because, back to the users positing,

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Speaker 1: because he was victorious in capturing Radich, single handedly, defeating

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Speaker 1: all the terrorists and rescuing his family who were held

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Speaker 1: at gunpoint, he will probably win the next election, which

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Speaker 1: is what it's all about exactly. Remember, his chief of

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Speaker 1: staff pointed out the Reddick operation might bite them in

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Speaker 1: the acid in November, So the hijacking was probably an

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Speaker 1: elaborate campaign stunt makes sense. Sure, stranger things have happened,

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Speaker 1: I'll say that, yes, Uh, stranger things like Harrison Ford's

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Speaker 1: attempts at flying a plane. Harrison Ford's history with flying

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Speaker 1: unfortunately is not as smooth as Air Force Travolta's or

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Speaker 1: is John Travolta. That's right. I mean, it's funny you

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Speaker 1: think of like seventies A listers who are both like

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Speaker 1: plane guys. John Travolta doesn't crash his planes. We didn't.

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Speaker 1: Well here, well all right, well let's take this one

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Speaker 1: step a time. We're gonna end with Harrison for his

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Speaker 1: relationship to flying, which, as we said, is not as

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Speaker 1: triumphant as it was in Air Force One. He started

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Speaker 1: training to be a pilot back in the sixties, but

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Speaker 1: couldn't afford to continue the lessons, which makes me love

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Speaker 1: him so much more. Uh So he started it up

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Speaker 1: again in the mid nineties once the Han Solo dividends

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Speaker 1: and paid off, and he got his pilot's license in

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Speaker 1: nineteen six, the same year he filmed their first one,

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Speaker 1: and someone asked him during the press round for Air

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Speaker 1: Force one if he could really fly a seven forty seven,

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Speaker 1: and he quoted a line from Indiana Jones and the

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Speaker 1: Last Crusade fly Yes, lands No, which is incredible. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is all the age of fifty four, which is

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Speaker 1: impressive for a guy at that stage of his life.

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Speaker 1: And he later admitted to the l A times, I've

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Speaker 1: never trusted myself to do certain things until I got

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Speaker 1: to a certain age. I never rode motorcycles, so I

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Speaker 1: was past forty five. I was too much of a

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Speaker 1: wild child. I knew my limits, and I rarely exceeded them.

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Speaker 1: That being said, he said some fairly troubling airborne incidents.

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Speaker 1: In he did crash a helicopter right He crashed the

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Speaker 1: helicopter near Lake Peru outside Santa Clarita, California, and though

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Speaker 1: the helicopter was badly damaged, he and his passenger escaped

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Speaker 1: without injury. But he would not be so lucky in

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Speaker 1: when he made an emergency landing on the Penmar golf

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Speaker 1: course in the Venice neighborhood of Los Angeles and broke

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Speaker 1: his ankle in Pelvis. But of course, probably his most

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Speaker 1: notorious air related incident occurred on February when he accidentally

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Speaker 1: landed on a taxiway at the John Wayne Airport in

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Speaker 1: Orange County. And it's basically the flight equivalent of getting

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Speaker 1: on an off ramp on a highway. I mean runways

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Speaker 1: or where you land and taxi ways or where you

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Speaker 1: take off. He landed on the taxi way where an

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Speaker 1: American Airline jet with a hundred and ten people was

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Speaker 1: about to take off, and this moment gave us some

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Speaker 1: truly fantastic audio where Harrison Ford radio the control tower

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Speaker 1: with a shame steeped voice saying, I'm the schmuck that

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Speaker 1: landed on the taxi way. Can you please please read

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Speaker 1: that for me? You doctored the results. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: get in Harrison Ford character. I didn't kill my wife.

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Speaker 1: I'm the schmuck that landed on the taxiway. That's like

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Speaker 1: from the Simpsons. I know, it's gets it always hinges

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Speaker 1: into like it's Hollywood movie mob. I mean it's it's

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Speaker 1: a door because he's sound. He's like on the schmuck

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Speaker 1: that landed on the taxi bay. It's really endearing. And

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Speaker 1: I mean the air traffic control guy was supremely chill,

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Speaker 1: and he said, oh hey, yeah, can I get your

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Speaker 1: name in pilot's license? And you can just hear that

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Speaker 1: this is all out there in the Internet. You can

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Speaker 1: hear Harrison Ford's sigh reluctantly before saying my name's Harrison Ford.

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Speaker 1: And the air traffic is stort guy says, okay, it's

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Speaker 1: not a big deal, and Harrison Ford, to his credit, said, well,

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Speaker 1: it's a big deal for me, which I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: something to be said for becoming famous later in life

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Speaker 1: and actually having a normal career until you're like over three,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like most Hollywood people would have immediately

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Speaker 1: tried to blame other people. So good on him, But

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Speaker 1: also it was a danger. He was seventy four at

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Speaker 1: the time, and not to be agist, but you know,

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Speaker 1: people are worried about their grandparents driving a car, and

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Speaker 1: before he's an old but planes are a little more

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Speaker 1: complicated than cars, so you know, just saying so from

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Speaker 1: get off my plane to I'm the schmuck that landed

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Speaker 1: on the taxi way. Harrison Ford has given us so

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Speaker 1: many aeronautical catchphrases over the years, and for that we

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Speaker 1: should be very grateful. But I would like to end

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Speaker 1: with this fact. He's performed a number of real life

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Speaker 1: feats of aeronautical heroism too. He kept a Bell four

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Speaker 1: oh seven helicopter near his property in Wyoming and assisted

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Speaker 1: with not one but two mountain rescues in the Titon

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Speaker 1: County Search and Rescue Division. On one of these rescues,

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Speaker 1: he recovered a hiker who become lost and disoriented, and

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Speaker 1: she boughted the helicopter and promptly vomited, totally unaware of

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Speaker 1: who was piloting this plane until later, and when informed

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Speaker 1: of who was piloting this plane, she said, I can't

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Speaker 1: believe I barfed in Harrison Ford's helicopter, as any of

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Speaker 1: us would. And thus Harrison Ford is a hero in

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Speaker 1: real life as well, and man for all your soundboards

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Speaker 1: in this I wish we had a soundboard button for

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Speaker 1: like a triumphant flag waving theme with you know, the

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Speaker 1: two of us in bloody torn clothes, hunched over a

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Speaker 1: microphone in our lab. This is our independence day. We

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Speaker 1: declare our independence from large plane. This has been to

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Speaker 1: This has been way too much information about Harrison Ford's

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Speaker 1: large plane movie Air Force One. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening. We'll catch you next time. Get off my plane.

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Speaker 1: Too much information. Was a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan run Talk.

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Speaker 1: The supervising producer is Mike John's. The show was researched,

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Speaker 1: written and hosted by Jordan run Talk and Alex Heigel,

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Speaker 1: with original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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