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Speaker 2: Radioh we made it to a Friday. We made it
Speaker 2: to the final hour of a Friday. It's a meat Friday.
Speaker 2: It's a different meat Friday. Maybe it's catered towards one
Speaker 2: Dan end General Sal's chicken beef and Broncoli pork fried
Speaker 2: rice beef lo Maine. Who has it better than we do?
Speaker 2: No mody body, Yeah, Fritzy all of a sudden going
Speaker 2: out to check on the food, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden he's trying to I see you, Todd. There's cameras everywhere. Okay,
Speaker 2: so when you go out there and you try to
Speaker 2: take a little sample there, I'm watching.
Speaker 3: Like yesterday when I took a Deli sandwich, ina and
Speaker 3: a bagel and a half while I thought everybody was
Speaker 3: kind of busy doing work during a break, hoping no
Speaker 3: one saw that with cream chies and butter all over
Speaker 3: my cheek.
Speaker 2: No, there's cameras all Oh, there's thirteen cameras in here.
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of cookies back there too, and I
Speaker 4: might have did it there.
Speaker 2: You can have the cookies. You're fine with that. By
Speaker 2: the way, you can follow along with our bracket challenge
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Speaker 2: The Dan Patrick Show. Went to dinner last night. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I get an email, and then a
Speaker 2: follow up email, and then there's another email, and I'm going,
Speaker 2: this is from Todd. Why didn't go into the email?
Speaker 2: I just thought, Okay, maybe this is to do with
Speaker 2: today's show. Since Paulie's not here, Fritzi is taking over
Speaker 2: the executive producer role. And then I go in and
Speaker 2: I see the correspondence with the actress Jennifer Lawrence's agent
Speaker 2: or representative publish in the back yeah, and the back
Speaker 2: and forth, we find out that they are big fans
Speaker 2: of the show. Fritzi tried to reach out to Jennifer
Speaker 2: Lawrence see if she wanted to be part of the
Speaker 2: Bracket challenge, and they were very nice with their correspondence.
Speaker 2: So now, Todd, you maybe next year we get Jennifer
Speaker 2: Lawrence and she's from Kentucky. She grew up with basketball,
Speaker 2: so maybe she fills out a bracket with her husband.
Speaker 4: I did go through the stop sign a little bit,
Speaker 4: just to truth be told.
Speaker 3: After she said that note saying you know that there
Speaker 3: was some I guess whatever the family situation was, And
Speaker 3: I got a note saying.
Speaker 4: That, dear lords, he's on leave, but maybe down the road.
Speaker 3: Glad you're a fan, like you know, kind of like
Speaker 3: pump the brakes. It could be several months before we
Speaker 3: could even you know, consider reaching her to us if.
Speaker 2: She'd did they really see your lord?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hot, yes, lord.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's not a good that's not a good response,
Speaker 2: by the way, but Todd listed all of her movies.
Speaker 2: He said, you know, we're big fans, and then there's
Speaker 2: like seven or eight movies that he's listed as if
Speaker 2: her publicist needs to be reminded of what her resume is. Well.
Speaker 3: But between two Ferns with Zach Galapanakis, I gave the
Speaker 3: whole script to her just to let her know that
Speaker 3: we thought that was funny about your off putting.
Speaker 4: You should be off putting because you're fat. Thought that
Speaker 4: was really funny.
Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot
Speaker 2: com Twitter handle, the TP show the Pirates Rookie of
Speaker 2: the Year. Paul's schemes will join us the Big ten
Speaker 2: four to oh in the tournament. Thus far, Big East
Speaker 2: three and oh sec four and three, and then you
Speaker 2: have the ACC one in two Mountain West oh and two.
Speaker 2: There is a little bit of conversation about the Big
Speaker 2: East and the ACC combining talents here, which you know,
Speaker 2: you're seeing this with what happened with some of the
Speaker 2: schools in the Big twelve. Saw this with the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2: You're you kind of not divide in conquer, you want
Speaker 2: to add in conquer. And maybe the ACC trying to
Speaker 2: figure this out. Uh, don't think they got to handle
Speaker 2: on it yet, but maybe bringing in the Big East
Speaker 2: with the ACC and maybe you have something there. But
Speaker 2: a lot of tournament action last night. Kentucky was the
Speaker 2: pre season number one team. They lost in the round
Speaker 2: to sixty four. And now Kansas, I should say, preseason
Speaker 2: number one and then they lose. They haven't been as
Speaker 2: formidable as we've expected Kansas to be since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: And with Bill self, how much longer is he going
Speaker 2: to do it? But they got humbled, they got beat
Speaker 2: by Arkansas, and of course you can't spell Arkansas without Kansas.
Speaker 2: How about that? Marvin yeah loop now yeah, oh I
Speaker 2: get a blue wow? Yeah? Oh, Todd, you should have
Speaker 2: thought of that. That's that's worthy of a book. But Kansas, Wow,
Speaker 2: don't make me come crowd hit you. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: so uh acc one and two the Mountain West, oh
Speaker 2: Win too. We'll talk to Steve Lapis, one of the
Speaker 2: analysts for CBS. He does a great job, and it
Speaker 2: feels like every year when I listen to him, I say,
Speaker 2: we should get Steve Lapis on. And then yesterday I
Speaker 2: said to Fritzy, I'm remembering it now in real time.
Speaker 2: Let's get Steve Lapis on. He has passion and uh
Speaker 2: so he had Saint John's winning and he had the
Speaker 2: Arkansas game as well. So Steve Lapis will join us
Speaker 2: coming up Paul Schemes. He is one of three MLB
Speaker 2: The show twenty five cover athletes. This is the twentieth
Speaker 2: anniversary honoring two decades of baseball history. Elie de la
Speaker 2: Cruz and Gunner Henderson are on the cover as well.
Speaker 2: The Pirates Rookie of the Year joining us on the program.
Speaker 2: What did you learn from your rookie year or what
Speaker 2: do you wish that you had known in your rookie
Speaker 2: year or when you were in the college minor leagues
Speaker 2: coming up to the pirates.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, the biggest thing I learned from getting to
Speaker 6: the big leagues is that the game is a lot
Speaker 6: more similar than I thought in terms of the actual
Speaker 6: the baseball, you know play. Everything that's added on makes
Speaker 6: it a lot harder. So traveling cross country we had
Speaker 6: a couple of cross country flights last year. Our travel
Speaker 6: within the division's pretty good, you know, our hour long
Speaker 6: or less than an hour long flights for the most
Speaker 6: part within our division. But still, I mean, you got
Speaker 6: the media in the in the locker room every day.
Speaker 6: The food is different. It's it's better, but there's more
Speaker 6: of it, so it's easy to you know, overindulge. Just
Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of little stuff like that
Speaker 6: that makes it, uh just makes it makes it different
Speaker 6: and probably makes it a little bit harder.
Speaker 2: What's the strangest thing you've thought of while you were
Speaker 2: on the mound?
Speaker 6: Man, probably like doing math problems or something like that.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've ever seen I think it
Speaker 6: was Major League or Major League two. The catcher is is,
Speaker 6: you know, learning to get over the yips, and he
Speaker 6: like memorizes a playboard magazine or something like that, And
Speaker 6: I do that with math problems rather than you know,
Speaker 6: playboard magazines.
Speaker 2: But how does that help you?
Speaker 6: I mean, because it's it's very so it's very easy
Speaker 6: to like focus too hard and try to execute a pitch,
Speaker 6: you know, and then you just completely sail it or
Speaker 6: like pull a slider or sail a heat or something
Speaker 6: like that. So like having your mind not you know,
Speaker 6: solely focused on on that pitch. It like a little
Speaker 6: bit of distraction is sometimes a good thing.
Speaker 2: Give me the guy that you keep an eye on
Speaker 2: in the on deck circle that you know he's coming
Speaker 2: to the plate.
Speaker 6: It's probably one per team. Usually it's like the three
Speaker 6: hitter or something like that. Maybe it's to a team,
Speaker 6: it's because we kind of like bucket hitters a little
Speaker 6: bit to where we can pitch them similarly to get
Speaker 6: them out. But there's always like one guy in the
Speaker 6: lineup that's like, hey, this guy doesn't beat us. So
Speaker 6: I mean it's the one Soto's the day, Ellie Daily, Cruz,
Speaker 6: Cody Andrew, those types of guys.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know they're coming out.
Speaker 2: What do you do when you disagree with your catcher?
Speaker 5: Just shake?
Speaker 6: I'll wear a pitch com too, and and I'll punch it.
Speaker 6: In sometimes, but yeah, just shake there. There are no
Speaker 6: hard feelings there.
Speaker 2: But you have final say yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean if I my experience is generally, if I
Speaker 6: throw a pitch that I don't wholly believe in, uh,
Speaker 6: it doesn't end well. So I have to, you know,
Speaker 6: throw pitches that I believe in out there with you know,
Speaker 6: full conviction, and that it generally ends ends pretty well.
Speaker 2: But when you give up a big hit or a
Speaker 2: home run in college, it's one thing. But when you
Speaker 2: have thousands and thousands of people and you know it's
Speaker 2: going to end up on Sports Center, Like, how do
Speaker 2: you process that differently? If you can then when you
Speaker 2: were in college and you gave up a home run?
Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly. And I think this is probably more of
Speaker 5: a change for me.
Speaker 6: But I think I took it, like, took it harder,
Speaker 6: took it, took it more personally when I was in
Speaker 6: college than I do now. And I think there are
Speaker 6: probably a couple of reasons for that. I've I think
Speaker 6: I've matured grown up a little bit. But also, uh,
Speaker 6: we get to do it more often now in college.
Speaker 6: It's like, you know, the SEC is the biggest thing
Speaker 6: in the world and nothing else matters like, that's that's
Speaker 6: the that's what they feed you, right. So when I
Speaker 6: give up a home run at Ole Miss and the
Speaker 6: beer's flying everywhere, like it feels like the end of
Speaker 6: the world a little bit more than it does now.
Speaker 6: When I give up a home run and you know,
Speaker 6: Dodger Stadium or something like that, it's just and I
Speaker 6: think I think part of that's because it's it's so
Speaker 6: routine now, but I think a lot of it's because
Speaker 6: I've just like grown up to.
Speaker 2: Talking to Paul's schemes and he's one of three MLB
Speaker 2: The show twenty five cover athletes, You've got Gunner Henderson
Speaker 2: and Ellie Dela Cruz tell us about the honor. How'd
Speaker 2: you find out?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't remember exactly when I found out. There's
Speaker 6: something that I think, you know, we were in the
Speaker 6: talks for for I don't know, probably the last summer,
Speaker 6: last September around there kind of blends together when we're
Speaker 6: in season. But it was cool when I, you know,
Speaker 6: found out that it's, you know, no kidding happening. I mean,
Speaker 6: definitely some satisfaction there is. It's it's pretty cool. I've
Speaker 6: you know, grown up seeing you know, the cover athletes
Speaker 6: of the show and and seeing the game. It's been
Speaker 6: a huge part of a lot of people's childhood.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 6: As like the game that they want to play when
Speaker 6: they when they get to play video games. So gamer
Speaker 6: of I'm not. I'm not really a gamer at all.
Speaker 6: So yeah, So the only time I would play the
Speaker 6: show because I never had a PlayStation or Xbox or anything. Uh,
Speaker 6: And the only time I would play the show is
Speaker 6: when I like went to you know, my buddy's house
Speaker 6: or something like that and they had it. But I've
Speaker 6: always been terrible at it. And if I'm the kind
Speaker 6: of person like, if I'm not good at something, I
Speaker 6: just won't I'll just stop doing it. Yeah, I'm the
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take my ball and go home type of guy.
Speaker 2: How territorial are you when it comes to the SEC,
Speaker 2: whether it's football fourteen schools are in the NCAA tournament
Speaker 2: the baseball with the SEC? Are you annoying to be
Speaker 2: around when it's conversations about the SEC?
Speaker 6: Now, because I'm a I'm a baseball guy first, football,
Speaker 6: I could kind of care less about I mean, I'm
Speaker 6: a true believer that because I'm an SEC guy. But
Speaker 6: I'm a Mountain West guy too, and I'm a true
Speaker 6: believer that the Mountain West just breeds winners. So I'm
Speaker 6: probably more territory about the Mountain West because it's not
Speaker 6: a you know, people don't people don't know about the
Speaker 6: Mountain West. But that's where that's where champions are made.
Speaker 6: I believe that.
Speaker 2: Okay, But you're in Pittsburgh. They love their football there.
Speaker 2: Do you go to gat you care about? Do you
Speaker 2: go to games?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: But I mean because I look at college baseball and
Speaker 6: call and uh and pro baseball is two different sports.
Speaker 6: I I I never played football. I don't understand what's
Speaker 6: going on out there. I know that you're supposed to
Speaker 6: move the ball down the field, but I viewed college
Speaker 6: football and pro football is two different sports too. So
Speaker 6: I've gone to a Steelers game. It was it was
Speaker 6: really cool. I want to go back. I'm a Steelers fan,
Speaker 6: you know now bleed black and gold.
Speaker 5: So but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: They're fun to. The games are fun to go to.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna be okay with the automatic strike zone?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Hey, it's not in there this year, So I'm I'm
Speaker 6: happy with that. I haven't I haven't challenged anything this spring.
Speaker 6: It's not going to be in there this year. When
Speaker 6: it comes it comes. I I like the human aspect
Speaker 6: of the game because I think that, you know, there
Speaker 6: are games where the umpire zone is big and there
Speaker 6: are games where the umpire zone as small. Obviously catchers,
Speaker 6: you bring in the automatic strike zone, then it completely
Speaker 6: devalues framing, which you know, effectively eliminates the catching position.
Speaker 6: So I have mixed feelings towards it. I do like
Speaker 6: the human aspect of the game, but there's definitely something
Speaker 6: to be said about, you know, being objective with the
Speaker 6: strike zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you're at the plate and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden there's a you know, a star pitcher and
Speaker 2: he gets a call, you're okay with that and it's
Speaker 2: not a strike, but because of who he is, Justin
Speaker 2: Berlander is going to get that call.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, I prefer it that way. I don't
Speaker 6: have to hit anymore.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hit?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 6: Maybe BP occasionally, but I don't want to face Justin Berlander.
Speaker 6: I don't want to face anything other guys. They're too
Speaker 6: they're too uh, they're too good.
Speaker 2: If you were building the perfect picture, so you gave
Speaker 2: me fastball, slider, curveball, change up. Who's using your fastball?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd like to think all four of those are,
Speaker 6: you know, mine, but uh, let's just not the taste.
Speaker 2: But you think that way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean because you can't use my fastball with
Speaker 6: like because I would say, like my fastball and Clayton
Speaker 6: Kershaw's curveball or something like that, but like we're the
Speaker 6: exact opposite pitchers. Basically, I'd like to thank my fastball
Speaker 6: Kershaw's curveball for sure, just to straight up and down curveball,
Speaker 6: change up, Scooball those are two lefties. Slider man, there's
Speaker 6: so many good ones. I think a nice like for
Speaker 6: for me, like a downer, a downer slider, like a
Speaker 6: de Gram, like a shorter downer slider, because that's something
Speaker 6: I don't have.
Speaker 5: But there's I mean, strider's slider.
Speaker 6: There are so many, so many ways, so many different
Speaker 6: ways to have a good slider, though so specifically a slider.
Speaker 2: It's amazing that these guys can hit this stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: they talked about hitting a baseball is the hardest thing
Speaker 2: to do, and they're guys that are hitting one hundred
Speaker 2: miles an hour. And it's like, so what.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 6: I'll let them do it. That's why I'm not going
Speaker 6: to try to try to get back in the box.
Speaker 5: UH.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Opening Day, Congratulations on MLB the show that's the
Speaker 2: UH cover with Elie Dela Cruz, Gunner Henderson and UH
Speaker 2: this is on a the twentieth anniversary of that. Great
Speaker 2: to talk to you again, Paul, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Paul skeins pirate Rookie of the Year last year, and
Speaker 2: I think he's working on a couple of new pitches
Speaker 2: that ought to please the rest of the hitters in baseball.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll talk about your brackets. Coming
Speaker 2: up Steve Lapis, he's an analyst for March Madness and
Speaker 2: he'll join us here. Coming up next Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2: It was on this date in nineteen fifty nine that
Speaker 2: California beat West Virginia for the NCAA Championship. Jerry West
Speaker 2: played for West Virginia. He didn't win the title, but
Speaker 2: he was still named the most outstanding player. Jerry was
Speaker 2: also I think the MVP of an NBA Finals when
Speaker 2: the Lakers played the Celtics. I'm sure that Jerry West
Speaker 2: doesn't like that distinction. Rest in peace, but imagine you're
Speaker 2: so good, you did everything you could possibly do, you
Speaker 2: just didn't win. So I think nineteen sixty nine he
Speaker 2: was the MVP of the NBA Finals and they lost
Speaker 2: that championship. Steve Lapis joining us on loan from CBS
Speaker 2: Sports studio analysts and college basketball analyst, former college hoo
Speaker 2: coach at Manhattan, Villanova, and UMass. You've done a great
Speaker 2: job and I've been meaning to reach out to you
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. Every time I hear you
Speaker 2: in the tournament and I always go, we should get
Speaker 2: Steve Lapis on. I love the energy that you have.
Speaker 2: It's great to see you again, coach. How you doing.
Speaker 7: It's you, Dan, It's been a long time.
Speaker 2: I think I go back to when was the first
Speaker 2: time I met you?
Speaker 8: Villanova, probably Villanova, maybe even Villanova's an assistant coach as
Speaker 8: I was from eighty five to eighty eight, so probably
Speaker 8: back then.
Speaker 2: So you came up with the game planned to beat
Speaker 2: Georgetown in the MC finals.
Speaker 7: You know what, that was my first year Dan as
Speaker 7: an assistant coach.
Speaker 8: I came from high school the year before, and people
Speaker 8: asked me about that all the time. I said, boy,
Speaker 8: what did you do? I said, well, I was getting
Speaker 8: the coffee, the sneakers.
Speaker 7: I was doing all those things in my first year.
Speaker 2: And I always maintain when people talk about that as
Speaker 2: one of the great upsets of all time, and I said,
Speaker 2: I don't think it is. I think NC State beating
Speaker 2: Houston was a bigger upset. Villanova. You had played Georgetown,
Speaker 2: and I think he lost by six or eight points.
Speaker 2: So you knew what you you know, you knew the battle,
Speaker 2: you knew the Big East, you knew Georgetown, and therefore
Speaker 2: I don't view it as that big of an upset,
Speaker 2: even though you guys had to play pretty much the
Speaker 2: perfect game. How do you view it, Dan?
Speaker 7: I tell people that all the time. I know, you know, it's.
Speaker 8: Great for us that we were part of his greatest
Speaker 8: upset ever, but you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 7: We played them.
Speaker 8: Twice that year, lost by four, lost by six. The
Speaker 8: year before that, when I wasn't there, they beat Town Villanova.
Speaker 8: Eddie picked me as a software had twenty two points
Speaker 8: and twenty rebounds against Patrick Ewing in a game that
Speaker 8: was an epic So we knew we did.
Speaker 7: We didn't feel it like getting ready for the game.
Speaker 8: I mean, we knew we had to play well. There's
Speaker 8: no question that was an unbelievable team. And let's understand this.
Speaker 8: We shot seventy nine percent. We won by two, so
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. That tells you how good
Speaker 8: they were. But I can't agree with you more. You know,
Speaker 8: when you play somebody twice a year, we had seen
Speaker 8: Patrick Ewing nine times before that.
Speaker 7: They would have intimidated anybody else they played.
Speaker 8: And I'll be honest with you, we were happy we
Speaker 8: weren't playing Saint John's. It was a worst matchup for
Speaker 8: us because we were a matchup zone team and Chris
Speaker 8: Mullen was obviously one of the best shooters in the world.
Speaker 8: Georgetown wasn't a good shooting team. We liked that matchup
Speaker 8: better than Saint John's.
Speaker 2: You know, you start to look at the all time
Speaker 2: greats in college basketball. I don't know if Christian Latner
Speaker 2: is the last of the all time greats because they're
Speaker 2: not staying three or four years. It's usually if you're
Speaker 2: really good. I mean, Cooper Flag could be one of
Speaker 2: the great players of all time, but he's just going
Speaker 2: to be a footnote of a one and done at
Speaker 2: Duke and maybe they win a national title.
Speaker 7: You know, there's no doubt this is a new age.
Speaker 8: You know, we're not going to see the Bill Waltons
Speaker 8: and the Leuel Senders, and you know, the even you know,
Speaker 8: Christian Laytoner who was a good pro but wasn't like
Speaker 8: obviously Bill Walton or Louel Sender, yeah, or even Pat
Speaker 8: Patrick Ewing was one of the greatest college players that
Speaker 8: ever was. So you know, it's just a different age now.
Speaker 8: And even now it's even gotten crazier with this nil
Speaker 8: and transfer portal. Even schools themselves forget about the general public.
Speaker 8: It's hard for schools themselves to honor guys that are
Speaker 8: only their school for one year and then they're gone.
Speaker 2: I wondered about this. I brought it up with Dan Dakich,
Speaker 2: and I said, Indiana never reached out to Steve Alferd
Speaker 2: to coach there because you know, Clyde Drexler was Houston,
Speaker 2: Mullen was at Saint John's, Patrick Ewing at Georgetown. You
Speaker 2: can't hire somebody unless you know you can fire them.
Speaker 2: And I'm just I was always curious why Steve Alford
Speaker 2: never got the opportunity to coach Indiana.
Speaker 8: You know, that's that's a great point, because here's a
Speaker 8: guy who's won seven hundred games in his career. He's
Speaker 8: been a tremendous coach his whole life from a young age.
Speaker 8: He obviously was one of the greatest players in the
Speaker 8: history of the school, you know, win the championship in
Speaker 8: eighty seven, and yeah, it's just a surprising thing.
Speaker 2: What now.
Speaker 8: I think probably part of it has to do with
Speaker 8: the fact that they did coach at Iowa. That may
Speaker 8: you know, he's got that job when he was younger,
Speaker 8: and maybe that hurt him a little bit that he
Speaker 8: coached another Big ten school. But he's a tremendous coach
Speaker 8: and you know, would have been a great one at
Speaker 8: at Indiana, no question.
Speaker 2: All right, you called games in Providence, so you had
Speaker 2: Arkansas over Kansas, you had Saint John's over Omaha, and
Speaker 2: that sets up Bettino Cali Perry. Where did that relationship
Speaker 2: goes sideways between those two.
Speaker 8: You know, I think it went sideways like a long
Speaker 8: time ago, to be honest, I think it's actually a
Speaker 8: little better now, you know. I think part of it
Speaker 8: was when John Caliberry got the UMass job. Rick Patino's
Speaker 8: a UMass graduate and he had some input into you know,
Speaker 8: who was going to coach at the school, and it
Speaker 8: started got out that Rick Pattino was not in Caliberry's
Speaker 8: corner for Caliberry to get the job, he wanted somebody
Speaker 8: else to get So I think that's kind of where
Speaker 8: it starting.
Speaker 7: And we all knew each other.
Speaker 8: We all met each other at the five Star basketball
Speaker 8: camp back in nineteen eighty, so, you know, he go,
Speaker 8: we go back a long way, and those two guys
Speaker 8: go back a long way, and I think that's where
Speaker 8: and then the rivalry just grew because you know, John,
Speaker 8: they're both big personalities, as we know, and they both
Speaker 8: you know, feel like they're great basketball coaches, which they are,
Speaker 8: and you know, I think the rivalry just grew from there.
Speaker 7: But I think it started with the UMass job.
Speaker 2: And I forget who we had on, but they said
Speaker 2: Jim Beheim, and Beheim said, you can put Patino there.
Speaker 2: With Mike Skryzchewsky like he's he's on that level. Nobody's
Speaker 2: where Wooden is, you know, for obvious reasons, but he said,
Speaker 2: as far as modern day basketball coaches, greatest of all time,
Speaker 2: he would put Patino right there with coach K.
Speaker 7: What about you, absolutely, Dan, no question. I mean, think
Speaker 7: about it.
Speaker 8: Besides the fact he's got the eight hundred and seventy
Speaker 8: five whatever wins, think about all the years he spent
Speaker 8: in the NBA, so he would have a lot.
Speaker 7: More wins in college. He's got two titles. You know.
Speaker 7: I always tell people me personally, like people ask me all.
Speaker 8: The time, if you had the one game you got
Speaker 8: to win one game, who would you want to coach?
Speaker 8: I said, there's two people, Bob Knight and Rick Patino
Speaker 8: if I gotta win one game.
Speaker 2: Well that's how I praised there.
Speaker 7: He was not each k you know here, Coach K
Speaker 7: was a great coach.
Speaker 8: I look at those guys different. See, Coach K he
Speaker 8: was maybe the greatest leader of all time. That was
Speaker 8: his things leadership. Not that he wasn't next to no
Speaker 8: guy Knight and uh Beatino. Those guys were tinkerers. They
Speaker 8: were excell No, not that I'm not in. Please, I
Speaker 8: don't want anybody to take this like, oh, what are
Speaker 8: you talking about?
Speaker 5: Mike.
Speaker 8: Mike chefs all time, the best, one of the best.
Speaker 8: But those two guys were like they would tinker for
Speaker 8: game plans. Mike Schesky's philosophy was, this is what we
Speaker 8: do and we will do it better than what you do,
Speaker 8: and we're gonna win.
Speaker 7: These guys they would change things. They would change this guy.
Speaker 8: And report they tweaked this, tweak that, And that's why,
Speaker 8: I mean, one game, those guys will game plan to
Speaker 8: make it hard.
Speaker 7: For you to win.
Speaker 2: Steve lappis CBS Sports college basketball analyst. He has McNeese
Speaker 2: State and Purdue and Arkansas and Saint John Waite. Are
Speaker 2: you working in? Are you the early game here?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 2: No, tomorrow, My game is, oh tomorrow. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, okay. I was like, boy, I'm uh holding
Speaker 2: you back here?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, I had before yesterday.
Speaker 2: Okay. Do you have any problem with Will Wade coaching
Speaker 2: in the tournament knowing that he's going to take another job.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, let's face it, it's it's not a
Speaker 8: great situation, you know, for the kids, school or anybody.
Speaker 7: I will say this about will Wade, though he was
Speaker 7: very honest. I was shocked.
Speaker 8: You know, you know how it is, Dane. You've been
Speaker 8: doing this role so long. People say, well, you.
Speaker 7: Know, I don't want to talk about that now or whatever.
Speaker 8: He was very open, he said, we asked him, he
Speaker 8: said at the practice day before.
Speaker 7: He said, Yeah, I'm talking to NC State.
Speaker 8: He says, but I told my players that, and my
Speaker 8: players I'm going to help them get to the next level.
Speaker 7: If guys want to transfer. We talk very openly about this.
Speaker 8: So I don't like it, but I give the guy
Speaker 8: credit that he hasn't hidden from it. They were honest,
Speaker 8: they didn't lie, and you know, you gotta there's something
Speaker 8: to be said for that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with the transparency. I just find it
Speaker 2: a little weird that he's helping the university, but he
Speaker 2: might hurt the university because maybe he takes some of
Speaker 2: these players with him de n C State, maybe part
Speaker 2: of the coaching staff as well. So, yes, you're helping,
Speaker 2: but then he could be hurting here in a week
Speaker 2: or two.
Speaker 8: There's no definite, there's no there's no doubt that if
Speaker 8: we were gonna put a scale which which way is
Speaker 8: worse than the other.
Speaker 7: There's no doubt that the fact that this came out
Speaker 7: and that he's going, he's worse for the school and
Speaker 7: everybody involved.
Speaker 8: The only thing I'm saying is it's a bad situation
Speaker 8: and he didn't lie about it.
Speaker 7: That's all I can say.
Speaker 2: What's it like to get fired?
Speaker 7: You know, it's uh, it's it's it's it's a it's
Speaker 7: it's an interesting question. Obviously it stings, as we know.
Speaker 8: But the thing that that gets you more than anything
Speaker 8: else is that, uh, you spend your whole life doing
Speaker 8: this thing that you think you're pretty good at, and
Speaker 8: it's kind of been your dream, and then all of
Speaker 8: a sudden you know it could be over, and so
Speaker 8: you spend all your life from when you're a kid.
Speaker 7: You know, I know, for me, from when I was
Speaker 7: a kid, it's all I wanted to do was coach.
Speaker 7: Coach coach. Grew up in New York City and I
Speaker 7: coached in high school JV.
Speaker 8: I came up the ranks, and then you know, when
Speaker 8: that happens, it's a jolt because this is what you
Speaker 8: want to do, and now you don't even know if.
Speaker 7: You're gonna be able to keep doing it.
Speaker 8: And it's not like, you know, if you're an accountant
Speaker 8: and you get let go of an accountant, you'll probably
Speaker 8: find another accountant job. Unless you were scaling or something,
Speaker 8: you'll find another account job. This business is very small
Speaker 8: and you know, I mean, unfortunately, college coaches don't get
Speaker 8: recycled the way they do in the NBA. So you know,
Speaker 8: I had to kind of remake myself, you know, by
Speaker 8: getting into TV, and it's worked out unbelievable.
Speaker 7: CBS has been great to meet.
Speaker 8: And the other thing about it, Dan, is you know
Speaker 8: public it's embarrassing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: You know, it's in the something happens to you like
Speaker 7: that's in the newspapers. It's you know, everybody knows. Everybody
Speaker 7: knows it.
Speaker 8: It's not like, you know, again you work in an
Speaker 8: accounting firm or whatever, and so something that you can
Speaker 8: not say anything to anybody, nobody will know. Everybody knows.
Speaker 8: And let's face it, and I don't think so. I
Speaker 8: think I got cut short at U Mass big time.
Speaker 8: I think we were.
Speaker 7: On the on the right road.
Speaker 8: But you know what happens is, you know, that's my story,
Speaker 8: the story on the outside is this guy wasn't good
Speaker 8: enough and that sucks.
Speaker 2: What do you see with Cooper Flag If I said, uh,
Speaker 2: maybe question marks with him of what he's going to
Speaker 2: take to the NBA about his game?
Speaker 8: Question marks? Boy, it's really hard to find him. You know,
Speaker 8: you wonder because he's so skilled. You know, we're talking
Speaker 8: about a guy who leads his team in every category.
Speaker 10: So I mean, here's a six nine, six ten kid
Speaker 10: who you know, not only shoots, rebounds, his steals, loots
Speaker 10: me he does it all. Now, college basketball is different
Speaker 10: today than it was, you know, twenty years ago.
Speaker 8: There's no doubt about it. But you know, I would say,
Speaker 8: how's he going to hold up physically? If I had
Speaker 8: to pick something, that's probably where I would go, is
Speaker 8: how's he going to hold up physically?
Speaker 2: I don't know if you had conversations or you've talked
Speaker 2: to coaches who've had these conversations when a kid thinks
Speaker 2: he's ready. I remember talking to Jim Beayheim about this,
Speaker 2: and he had a player who wanted to go and
Speaker 2: he said, don't go. And the player went and didn't succeed,
Speaker 2: But he said, you know, I'm assessing your talent. Do
Speaker 2: I want you to go. If you're ready to go, yes,
Speaker 2: But I think the player may have thought that Jim
Speaker 2: was being selfish by saying, no, you're not ready to go.
Speaker 2: But it turns out, you know, the kid wasn't ready
Speaker 2: to go. It's a tough conversation to have, I would think,
Speaker 2: because it's a kid. And then you have parents who
Speaker 2: are involved in this. So do you have any background
Speaker 2: stories on that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I had I had two kids. I had,
Speaker 8: you know, Tim Thomas and Kerry Kittles. And and Tim
Speaker 8: was one of the first guys to leave after year.
Speaker 7: He left in nineteen ninety seven. He stayed one year.
Speaker 7: He left, and I didn't think he was ready. And
Speaker 7: I and I'll tell you what I told him.
Speaker 8: I said, Tim, here's the thing I think you need
Speaker 8: because that team that he was on his freshman year,
Speaker 8: we had three seniors who were really good players, who
Speaker 8: had been there for four years and won a lot
Speaker 8: of games. And so he was obviously a big part
Speaker 8: of the scouting report, but he was a deep part
Speaker 8: of the scouting report.
Speaker 7: And I said, I.
Speaker 8: Think you need a year where this thing is going
Speaker 8: to focus on you. You are the We had these
Speaker 8: other three Singiers that were all good players, So it
Speaker 8: was hard for you to just get all of the
Speaker 8: attention in the scouting report or whatever. I said, I
Speaker 8: think you need a year of being the man here.
Speaker 8: It's on you. You got to get this done for
Speaker 8: us to win. It's not like last year. We can
Speaker 8: go into the background and we could still win. Here
Speaker 8: about you. Now, The difference for Tim was his mom
Speaker 8: was older. She was cleaning houses, you know, you know,
Speaker 8: so you know, from a financial standpoint, he had to go.
Speaker 7: He wasn't ready from a basketball stand but he had
Speaker 7: a good career. Don't get me long. He made a
Speaker 7: lot of money.
Speaker 8: I don't know if Tim ever really became I thought
Speaker 8: he could be an NBA All Star.
Speaker 7: He wasn't.
Speaker 8: He was a really good player, and I'm not saying
Speaker 8: that's why he wasn't. But you know, it's funny, Dan,
Speaker 8: he came back to me like two years later as
Speaker 8: the boy coach. I wish I would have stayed because
Speaker 8: not so much for the not so much for the
Speaker 8: basketball even, but just to be a college kid for
Speaker 8: another year.
Speaker 7: It's not the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 2: All right, give me the team that could make it
Speaker 2: to the final four where we'll look back and say,
Speaker 2: I'll be damn. Steve Lapis knew what he was talking about.
Speaker 7: Maryland. You know, Maryland is a team and it's kind
Speaker 7: of under the rate.
Speaker 8: I mean, I could easily give you, you know, Houston,
Speaker 8: Auburn Duke. But a team that you got to keep
Speaker 8: your eye on is Maryland. Maryland's starting time is as
Speaker 8: good as any starting five in the country.
Speaker 7: They have no bench, So now could that get them
Speaker 7: in the end.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they get into some foul trouble whatever, and you
Speaker 8: know this thing this tournament, one game, you're.
Speaker 7: Out, but you take you keep an eye on Maryland
Speaker 7: in terms of what they do.
Speaker 8: Now you watch the loose today because you know what,
Speaker 8: in my house, we used to have a pool every year, me,
Speaker 8: my wife, and my two kids.
Speaker 7: I was last every year of the four of us.
Speaker 7: So that tells you where this thing is at.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like Maryland, but I don't like what's going on
Speaker 2: with the coach and the athletic director there. It feels
Speaker 2: like both are out the door. And now you're gonna
Speaker 2: face Grand Cannon And I know you're ten and a
Speaker 2: half point favorites, but I just if you're not focused man,
Speaker 2: it just it'll bite you right in the ass. That
Speaker 2: that would be my big concern with Maryland.
Speaker 7: Well, you know that that was.
Speaker 8: My concern about McNee yesterday and I said it.
Speaker 7: They couldn't have played any better. So you know you're right.
Speaker 8: And I said the same thing yesterday. I'm not saying
Speaker 8: it again because they.
Speaker 2: Keep the passion, keep the enthusiasm. And thanks for joining us, Steve.
Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for having me, Dave. It's an honor to
Speaker 7: be on with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Bud. Steve Lapis, CBS Sports College
Speaker 2: Basketball Analyst. Yeah, I was there when Villanova won the
Speaker 2: title there for the parade when he was there with
Speaker 2: Roley Massimino. I think that's first time I met him
Speaker 2: in the mid eighties. We'll take a break last call
Speaker 2: for phone calls. What we learn, what's in store for Monday.
Speaker 2: Dylan gets a pie to the face coming up, and
Speaker 2: also it's a meat Friday as well. We'll have all
Speaker 2: of that coming up next here, Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.
Speaker 2: Wrapping up the show here, on a meat Friday, Chinese
Speaker 2: food looked really good. General sALS chicken beef and broncoli
Speaker 2: pork fried rice beef. Low made save some for the
Speaker 2: other guys, Fritzy.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I got a.
Speaker 4: Mound of food out there.
Speaker 2: You know what you need load management? I think, Wow,
Speaker 2: it's true when it comes when it comes to Chinese food,
Speaker 2: you need a little load management here all right? Final
Speaker 2: results of the Pole Question Seaton.
Speaker 12: YEP final results. We got a couple of them up there.
Speaker 12: I root for dot dot dot Upsets all the Time
Speaker 12: top teams to make the Final four or my bracket
Speaker 12: right now. Upsets all the Time has forty eight percent
Speaker 12: of the vote, followed by bracket nobody roots for the
Speaker 12: top teams.
Speaker 2: Maryland gets almost eighty five percent of its points from
Speaker 2: its starters. That's most of any team in the tournament.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, you start to think about being
Speaker 2: so top heavy and not having any depth, And it
Speaker 2: feels like when you're playing that many games and a
Speaker 2: you know, kind of a truncated amount of time, you're
Speaker 2: gonna need somebody or somebody's off the bench to help you.
Speaker 2: But the starting five is a wonderful starting five, just
Speaker 2: feels like they're gonna need a little more depth. And
Speaker 2: then they're facing Grand Canyon and Grand Canyon is you know,
Speaker 2: that's a good program, been a good program for a while.
Speaker 2: Ten and a half point underdogs here. Jay Billis will
Speaker 2: join us on the program on Monday. This day in
Speaker 2: sports History, Paulie's not here. I'll do the honors. UCLA
Speaker 2: beat Duke in nineteen sixty four, they went thirty and oh.
Speaker 2: Their first championship. Nineteen seventy, UCLA beat Jacksonville. That was
Speaker 2: UCLA's fourth consecutive championship. That's when you had artists Gilmour
Speaker 2: and Pembrooke Burrows. The third they had another then another player,
Speaker 2: Von Weddeking. He was in Rex Morgan, Rex Morgan, so
Speaker 2: they had some names. Joe Williams I believe was the
Speaker 2: head coach oft Actionville back then. But that's when Sidney Wicks.
Speaker 2: Sidney Wicks was not afraid of artist Gilmore and he
Speaker 2: took it to him. Nineteen eighty for do you remember
Speaker 2: when the NFL owners passed the anti celebration rule? Did
Speaker 2: this have to do with the fun bunch in Washington
Speaker 2: with those wide receivers with Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders, Art Monk.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they were the reason that they
Speaker 2: decided that no celebrating is what is sports. I mean,
Speaker 2: sports is about celebrating, isn't it. I mean it has
Speaker 2: it gotten out of hand, absolutely, but like true celebration
Speaker 2: I got missed. That just feels like maybe it was
Speaker 2: the Fun Bunch who they took the fun out of
Speaker 2: the Fun Bunch. Yes, Dylan, Well, you get the act
Speaker 2: like you've been there before, a crowd kind of reiining
Speaker 2: on the parade, I think, yeah, yeah, I never bought
Speaker 2: into that. Nineteen ninety one, I remember on the highlight
Speaker 2: on Sports Center, the Quebec Nordeck's goaltender Ron Tugnut set
Speaker 2: a modern NHL record most saves in a regular season game.
Speaker 2: He saved seventy out of seventy three shots. I remember
Speaker 2: saying that he saw more rubber than a tire salesman.
Speaker 2: That night. They ended up with a tie with the
Speaker 2: Bruins Ron tug Nut between him and Dick Trickle. I
Speaker 2: had fun doing Sports Center highlights, yes, Seaton. Somebody asked
Speaker 2: on social.
Speaker 12: Media yesterday at what point, like what is the threshold
Speaker 12: for an upset, especially in the tournament. Yes, if a
Speaker 12: nine beats and eight, it's an upset. Oh kinda right,
Speaker 12: But where do you truly get the like shock the
Speaker 12: world kind of upset? Was there a number designation that
Speaker 12: feels more upsety thirteen four that has replaced the twelve five? Yeah,
Speaker 12: thirteen four has yes, Hunt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been so many twelves beating fives.
Speaker 3: I think Adam Lefkos had like thirty four over the
Speaker 3: last forty years.
Speaker 4: At least one twelve beat to five, So you're probably
Speaker 4: start with thirteen.
Speaker 2: And an eleven beating at six is a hell of
Speaker 2: an upset, right.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that's the I think that's the
Speaker 1: upset benchmark, seven to ten.
Speaker 2: It's kind of once you get seven, ten, nine to eight, then.
Speaker 12: A little too close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, six eleven though.
Speaker 1: Six eleven is good.
Speaker 2: That's a jit. Mike and Wisconsin Mike, thanks for holding
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 7: Hey, Dan reaching out.
Speaker 11: I know this topic is important to you and you
Speaker 11: can influence change.
Speaker 5: You got a lot of pull.
Speaker 4: So I'm watching the tournament games and I can't tell
Speaker 4: you how many times I yelled at the TV travel
Speaker 4: Carrie Travel, Gary, it's got out of control, Dan.
Speaker 2: Mike, I've tried. I talked to the NBA commissioner about this.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so obvious, man, I just go,
Speaker 2: how can you not get your shot? How can you
Speaker 2: not get around somebody? If I get to carry the
Speaker 2: ball the way they do, they're dribbling. Oh, Baker and Bozeman, Hi,
Speaker 2: Baker and Bozeman, How can I help you?
Speaker 11: Day? Happy Friday, Listen. I just wanted to quickly. I
Speaker 11: know we're about out of time, but I wanted to
Speaker 11: really jock the backroom guys, and specifically I know he's
Speaker 11: not a backroom guy anymore, but Marvin hosted last Friday's
Speaker 11: twelve fifteen podcasts and he was awesome. He was a
Speaker 11: natural facilitator, he was a brilliant and I wanted to
Speaker 11: And by the way, the professor of the Parlay Dylan
Speaker 11: can substantiate this because he was sitting next to him
Speaker 11: in that podcast. And so anyway, I wanted to just
Speaker 11: give kudos to Marvin for being a fantastic host of
Speaker 11: last Friday's full fifteen podcast and hopefully all.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, all right, thank you Baker. Twelve fifteen podcasts.
Speaker 2: The backroom guys get the dish on everything that'll be
Speaker 2: coming up at danpatrick dot com. Todd, what did I
Speaker 2: learn on today's award nominated program.
Speaker 4: When coach k visited Seawebs Home for a recruiting visit.
Speaker 4: The neighborhood chanted one O three seventy three.
Speaker 3: Which was the final score of the nineteen ninety national
Speaker 3: title game when Duke got crushed by the running ReBs
Speaker 3: of UNLV.
Speaker 2: That's a great story, Dylan, thank you for filling in
Speaker 2: for Paulie Todd, the King of comedy Seat and Marv
Speaker 2: yours truly have a great weekend. Everybody,