WEBVTT - ITS Home Edition: Trevor Daniel 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.920 Welcome to Inside the Studio presented by iHeart Radio. I'm 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:18.040 your host Joe Levy. So while we've all been cooped 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.920 up at home staying safe and staying healthy, the Inside 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.239 the Studio team has put together a home edition of 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.240 the show, bringing you into the bedrooms and living rooms 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.040 of your favorite artists in order to find out how 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.480 they're coping with lockdown and how it's impacting the way 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.360 they make music. And if anyone is qualified to talk 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.879 about that, it's Trevor Daniel, who first started recording in 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.360 a closet in his bedroom when he was fourteen years old. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.520 Trevor broke through earlier this year with Falling and he's 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:57.320 just released a remix of Past Life featuring Selena Gomez. 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:03.080 Our Quarantine correspondent, Jordan Runtalg talked with Trevor about how 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:07.440 he's living and making music during these pandemic times. And 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.039 if you enjoy this episode, which I know you will, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.320 be sure to check out the I Heart Radio podcast 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:18.840 that Jordan's hosts, Rivals Music's Greatest Feuds, which is available 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:33.000 wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hello everyone, my 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.880 name is Jordan Runtalg. But enough about me today I'm 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.640 joined by a self taught singer, songwriter, and producer from 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.360 the great state of Texas. He started releasing music on SoundCloud, 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.880 but you probably know him for his hit Balling, which 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.080 tackles the high highs and low lows of toxic crazy love. 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.720 Since first blowing up on TikTok, the song has been 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.720 streamed over a billion times across the globe and crack 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.800 the Billboard Top twenty. Falling can be found on Trevor's 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.560 debut LP Nicotine, which dives further into the theme of 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.920 relation chips. You just can't quit no matter how hard 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.680 you try, my guest once said of my songs or 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.560 breakup songs. Today we're gonna find out why and if 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.960 you need to hug. I'm thrilled the welcome, the very 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.120 suave Trevor, Daniel Trevor, thank you so much for being here. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.680 It's such a pleasure. Thank you man, Thank you. I 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.320 appreciate you, oh man. So many things to ask you, 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.320 because first and foremost, how you doing. I know the 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.440 last few months have been tough on all of us. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.520 What's been keeping you feeling good and grounded? Um? Just 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.400 my friends and everything they've been here with me, pretty 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:34.280 much for the whole time. Just like you know, it's 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.360 pretty much it. I mean, I've been making music and 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.400 stuff when I when I can. It's kind of hard 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.600 to um make music whenever I'm not really doing anything. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.080 It's weird because usually I'll just like be at home 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.720 working on music all the time anyway, But as soon 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.000 as it's kind of mandated, I don't, like it's like 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.640 my mind it doesn't want to do it. So like 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.720 I still want to make music, but it's like my 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.760 mind shuts off and it's like no, like go do 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.000 some thing else right now, and like get some inspiration. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.000 Oh man, I was gonna say, it's so hard to 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.240 focus in times like this. But then again, every profile 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.760 I read of you always calls you like bedroom artists 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.640 making music from his bedroom to the world. So I 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.600 guess like the way that you've been making music probably 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.440 hasn't changed that much, but just the feeling has got 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.320 to be different. Yeah, not really, not really, man. Just 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.639 just in this little turn this little closet into a studio. 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.280 It's it's kind of a big close. So it's this one. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.120 This one's cool. The one at home in Houston. It's 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:36.120 kind of tiny, but it still works too. So do 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:37.760 you think you're like more of a homebody? Do you 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.600 get your inspiration to write by like going out or 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.680 looking in word more? I think a little bit of both. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.200 Um It like quarantine has kind of caused me to 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.800 look inward like a little more than I wanted to. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.119 But um it's cool though, Uh, I like going out 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.280 to get inspiration and people watching and just like I'm 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.400 just like seeing how people interact with each other and 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.920 just like different reactions to things and and maybe how 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.160 they would react to something that I would react differently too. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.560 And but when I'm working, I tend to like to 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.040 be by myself at first, at least to like the 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.680 first phase of the song. Sometimes it'll be completed at home, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.720 but sometimes, like I like to like it used to 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.919 not be like this, but I'll go finalize it like 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.520 at a bigger studio. It's pretty much just like this 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.640 one studio, the one that I recorded falling at that 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.240 that I'll go and like do final versions of at 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.680 a bigger studio. But sometimes like that at home cuts 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.640 make it a lot of times they do, just because 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.240 like the emotion or whatever at first is there and 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.080 it's hard to recapture that. But yeah, what are you 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.440 working on now that you're really proud of? Um, I'm 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.560 working on a deluxe right now for Nicotine. UM. I figured, like, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.080 we have ten songs out and ideally like Corona wouldn't 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:04.200 have happened. Um, you know, but I mean it is 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.280 what it is, and so I still wanted to put 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.600 out the album for the fans and everything. But then 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.359 I got the idea to do the deluxe. Originally it 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.360 was gonna be like a normal deluxe, It's gonna be 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.760 like three or four songs. But the original version, like 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.719 the first half, was just ten songs. So I wanted 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.640 to basically, in my mind it was whenever Quarantine ended, 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.440 I was going to release another ten songs to basically 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.880 make it feel like they just got a whole new album. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.239 But it's still a part of the same time. Yeah, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:39.159 So I'm I'm trying to release ten more songs, um, 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.719 which shouldn't be too hard. I made like eighty for 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.719 the for the original version. Yeah, that I picked from 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.320 It was hard to narrow down. How do you go 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.560 about narrowing down from EIGHTI songs? Is there like a 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.520 through line you're looking for in your album? Like, what 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.440 are you looking for to make your album sound cohesive? Well, 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.680 the first half especially, I wanted to be very like 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:02.320 cohesive and in a storyline. Um, and if you listen 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.120 to it, a lot of it's like, it'll be a 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.560 really happy song, like oh like and this is exactly 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.760 how like my headspace was like in my last relationship 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.479 that I was talking about. In this album, it's like 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:17.000 really really good. It'll be like, oh like, I'll love 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.880 you through the highs and through the lows, like I'm 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.600 down for whatever, and then the realization of like, okay, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.560 well I'm not really being treated that well. So it's 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.120 like very back and forth, like it's a happy song 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.960 set song, happy song set song, because that's how it felt. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.120 And a lot of people are like, oh, it's like 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:37.679 very it's not very cohesive because it's very up and down. 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.080 But to me, that's exactly how it was. So I 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.200 wanted them to kind of love yeah. So that's how 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.400 I wanted to to like structure that album. I've been 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.680 trying to figure out listening to Falling. I've been trying 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.839 to figure out if it's a happy sad song or 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.400 a sad happy song. Do you have any insight. Can 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.280 you help me out on that at all? Yeah? To me, 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.400 it's a happy song. Like I wrote this song about 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.520 this high school relationship I had. So I was with 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.960 this girl and then we broke up and I'm like, oh, dude, 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.680 like whatever, I'm not I'm not going to do this anymore. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.400 Literally two weeks later, bro, I met this girl in 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.120 driving school and like, uh, we were taking our permit 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:22.480 test or whatever, and then yeah, we dated for like 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:27.800 seven years. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty it was it 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.120 was a pretty good one. But things changed a little bit, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.400 like things started taking off in like time I didn't 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.480 really have any time and that started like being a 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.280 strain and everything. But her and I are so cool. Um, 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.480 she wasn't toxic at all. She was really she was 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.800 really like dope. So we're still cool and everything. I 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.160 just like things are really busy right now. And uh, 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.760 you know, so her and I like broke it off 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.160 for a little while, but um, we'll see what happens. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.360 But yeah, so I mean it's a happy song. But 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.680 do I have detecting a hint of a reunion there? 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.160 I don't know. Maybe we'll see. We still talk it. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.040 We're still cool. She just lives in Houston and I'm 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.400 in l A. So it's like it's hard to see her, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.480 especially during this quarantine thing, Like um, yeah, yeah, so 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.720 what does she think of the song? But she was 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:21.440 there when I recorded it, so yeah yeah, Oh man, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.720 was that? How was that for you? How was that 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.920 for her? How was that for both of you? I mean, 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.480 I get it wasn't that weird, to be honest with you, 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.280 because um, because like originally following was like a poem, 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.120 like if you listen to the course, and none of 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.640 the words rhyme at all, Like there's not a single 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.600 rhyming word in the course. It's just the melody kind 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.800 of makes it feel like it like rhymes and comes 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:47.240 back and you know, um finishes out well. But at 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.040 that point, she had been with me for quite a 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.840 while and had you know, I've written a lot of 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.240 songs and stuff at that point, like used, I was 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.840 used to her being in the room and stuff I 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.599 was recording, and like, so I wasn't it wasn't that 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.360 big of a deal. But I mean, she loved it. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.240 I guess it seems sad. It is a minor key, 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.800 so it seems like a little more sad, But um, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.760 it's it's not to me, but I mean it can 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.960 be interpreted. However, speaking of interpretations, what was it like 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.280 to know that the song just blew up on TikTok 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.600 like and knowing that, you know, millions of these people 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.800 are just putting their own twists on this song that's 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.200 you know, very personal for you. That's cool to me, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.880 man like honestly, like, like, regardless of how they feel 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.199 about it, I'm gonna feel how I feel about it, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.440 and they're gonna feel how they feel about it. Like 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.320 I'm glad that they get something out of it at 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.920 the end of the day. People interpreting songs and everything, 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.760 it's really cool because sometimes it doesn't even have to 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.360 do with the words necessarily. Maybe it's just like the 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.760 sound of it creates like a certain sense of euphoria 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.360 or something for a certain time and moment, whether it's 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.240 happy or sad. Sometimes it's not the word. Sometimes it's 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.360 just the feeling of it, or or vice versa, because 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.320 like Falling has kind of like a more mellow, like 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.080 sadder kind of tone it feels like, but the words 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.960 are happy. Really, it's just like the back and forth 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.480 the beat and then the vocals are like kind of 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.400 polar opposite as far as like what what they like 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:19.000 sound like the beats really sad in the vocals or 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.200 the lyrics at least are happy. And that's kind of 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.800 how I've felt in that situation because I had just 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.040 broken up, like with the last girl, and I felt 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.640 like I wouldn't really do that again. And it was 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:35.360 really adamant on that. And then that the happy part 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.720 is where like I met the new girl and like 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.280 so I was in this headspace of kind of bummed out, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.960 but like in the meantime it was like cutting through 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.400 because like I me at her. So that's like why 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.200 it sounds so backwards. Almost good, Yeah, I mean, and 0:10:49.240 --> 0:11:04.880 the one relationship in the beginning of another the title 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.640 your album Nicotine is very evocative. What does that mean 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.760 to you? Yeah, It's like some people I figured would 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:15.120 think I was like promoting cigarettes or something, but it's 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.400 not like that. It's just like, I know, um, nicotine. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.959 It's like something that a lot of people, especially in 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.400 my age group, a lot of people are like baping 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.240 and stuff and and like really don't really think about it. 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.040 I'm not trying to like advocate or like really be 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:33.760 that that guy or anything, but you don't really realize it, um, 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.040 because you don't really realize like the damage it's doing 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.080 to you in the moment, just because it's like fun 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.960 and it feels good. It like doesn't really feel like 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.720 it's messing you up. But ultimately it's pretty toxic. And 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.840 it's kind of like the comparison or the metaphor that 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.160 I was making. There was a great quote I said 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.760 it at the at the top of the episode that 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.960 you said about your songs or breakup songs? Do you 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:03.200 consider yourself a romantic? I honestly, dude, Um, I feel 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.760 like I'm like a good boyfriend. I got am but 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:11.440 I do. My biggest problem so far that I've like, Um, 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.080 this goes back to being in quarantine and like realizing 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.040 things about myself that I don't think I'm a romantic. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.760 Like I could write songs about stuff because I'm thinking 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.360 about it. It's really bad because I'll think about it 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.280 in the moment, but like I'll think I say something 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.800 because I'm thinking it. Like a lot of times I'll 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.559 read a text and I'll like think of a response 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.880 and then not respond because I thought I responded. And um, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.200 we've all been there. Yeah, that's like that's like the 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:46.480 biggest thing that I'm noticing, especially the seven year relationship. Um, 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.800 Like I'll lock in the studio and I'll write about 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.920 this stuff all the time and I'll try to really 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.840 bring it to life because I'm thinking it and I 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.400 want to do it and like things will happen or whatever. 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.280 But like the super romance to take parts is mostly 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.560 like just what I'm thinking, But I guess I have 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.079 a hard time like saying it outside of song, if 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:12.920 that makes sense. So no, totally. Sometimes sometimes like I'll 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.719 be in in like a zone or something, and I'll 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.560 be like, yo, like I'm killing it, like like she 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.679 she's like super stoked and happy or whatever right now, 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.000 and like I'm I'm like saying the right stuff. But 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.120 like sometimes I just like accidentally say things that just 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.160 like dig myself a hole or whatever, and like like 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.240 I don't mean it like that, but it just comes 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.960 across a certain way and then and you try to 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.400 make it better and it just makes it so much worse. Yeah, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.800 exactly exactly. I know you're a big Kanye fan. Can 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.160 I go out on a limb and guess that your 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:48.000 favorite Kanye albums? Eight oh Eight's yeah it is. Oh yeah, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.240 it is yeah, Man, I hear that in your music, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.640 So yeah, dude, that that album is probably one of 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.600 the most inspirational albums to me, Like sonically it came 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.839 out when I was in seventh grade. Dude, I just 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.120 listened to it over and over and over, and I 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.160 swear I still listen to them. And what's crazy to me, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.200 Remember when I was talking about like how sometimes it's 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.280 not really the lyrics and it's the overall field or 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.280 like the euphoria the song gives you, um because there's 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.480 just like multiple elements of like what can invoke emotion 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.239 and somebody like when I hear this sounds really crazy, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.200 But like when I hear eight o Waits in Heartbreak, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:31.720 it reminds me of Christmas time. Whoa yeah, because like 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.080 I was listening to it a lot when it was cold, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.320 and I remember like going to the movies with my friends. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.760 We were always jamming, like Kick Cuttie and Kanye. That's 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.840 just like what it reminds me of. It's probably a 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.080 really weird comparison, But do you ever listen to the 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.280 Beach Boys much because they kind of do a similar 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.800 thing where they have happy, happy happy songs that sound happy, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.080 but then you listen to the lyrics and you're like, 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.240 oh my god, this is about like getting older, And yeah, 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.840 I love the Beach Boys. Have you seen the movie? Um, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.640 it's it's about like Ryan Wilson and like how the 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.680 Paul Dana one. Yeah. I liked it a lot because 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.680 like I could kind of relate to it, and I 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.360 kind of like I would understand like why he would 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.960 like feel a certain wave, and like they did a 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.640 really good job at like portraying those things. Um So, yeah, 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.880 it's a really good movie for you today. Like does 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.280 having a hit song make it easier to write and 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.320 create because you feel more successful, you feel more confident, 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.080 or does it almost get in your head a bit 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:31.840 and make it harder because you feel like you're trying 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.360 to meet these expectations and all this other stuff. I 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.640 guess just like a little bit of both. But it's 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.840 easier to meet the expectations, I think because like I 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.600 have a lot more resources now than I did. I'm 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.680 not really worried about it. It It doesn't really bother me 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.200 too much. Like I'm glad that falling blew up and 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:52.200 like helped elevate my career to this point. But um, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.040 I don't really have that much pressure. I think sometimes 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.000 sometimes it'll get to my head, but like ultimately the 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.120 overall feeling it's not that bad. Um, but sometimes I 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.840 will get in my head. I'll just be overly critical 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.000 about certain things. I guess because I want I want 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.920 to keep getting better. Um, when you listen from the 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.360 Homesick EP, a lot of it, like I would do 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.320 like one take or a lot of those things were accidents, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.680 like the things that came out of it, and that 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.720 EP was a lot of like just kind of discovering 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.240 like how to get better at like certain things and 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.720 like embracing imperfections and everything. Then Restless was kind of 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:39.680 like really trying to push myself melodically in like different 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.480 styles and stuff. And then Nicotine. I really just wanted 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.680 to take everything I had learned and just put it 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.040 so like I hope, like I'm getting better to the listener, 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.920 but um, it's kind of like a game in my 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.720 own head, just like trying to like balance out like 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.840 a the overall mood. Not I'm not like on the 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.040 here like piste off or anything ever, Like sometimes I 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.760 get piste off. But um, but it's just trying to 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.919 like balance out, like I want to consistently feel like 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.919 this album is where it needs to be when I 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.679 release it, like and that's a hard thing to do 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.000 because like you can always go in and tweak things. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.480 But at the same time, like I learned while making Homesick, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.920 it's like easy to overthink and stuff like that. So 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.199 that's the biggest thing. It's just like trying not to 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.160 let myself be like, Okay, well you have a hit, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.639 now you have to have another one right now, you know, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.280 and ultimately just like go make good music and like 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.440 what happens will happen, because following wasn't like I wanted obviously, 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.119 like everybody like wants their song to to be successful 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.080 and everything, but I didn't know that it was going 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.560 to happen the way that it did or when it did, 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.960 because it was like a year later, like I don't 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.200 even know about TikTok. So it's like things will happen 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.240 the way that they're going to happen to. The slow 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.280 Bill almost help you in a way because it kind 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.480 of like pressurized you of that I suppose. Yeah, it 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:05.320 was cool because like I was exposed to like a 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.359 lot of stuff like in doses versus just all at once. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.119 I still felt like I got a lot all at once, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.280 um like whenever this happened. But I was like ready 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:21.119 enough because Falling had like a semi rise and it 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.399 was like doing well, but it was like enough to 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.920 where I was like I would start seeing people react 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.880 to me a little different sometimes, and that I think 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.719 would be the biggest part, because like I feel like 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.960 a lot of people get like in their heads about 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.600 themselves and like get cocky or whatever, but like we 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.160 can't be what we are as like artists or whatever, 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.159 Like we can't grow if it's not for the fans, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.200 so it's not even us. I don't know why people 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.879 get like that, like, but I feel like it's also 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.080 lucky for me that I was like exposed to it 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.160 a little bit out of time, you know, Like none 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.520 of the asks from the label was like very like 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.640 super surprising. There's like some things that were new. But 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.120 what do you do when you're when you're sitting down, 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:06.760 you have something you want to say in a song, 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.040 you sit down to write it, and it's just it's 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.600 just not happening no matter what you try, especially now 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.680 that you're in quarantine to like how do you reset? 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.520 You go for a walk, do you do some yoga? 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.640 What do you do? Well? Usually I just like go 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.360 like to the beach of the mall, or like go 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.719 do something and go out to eat with my friends, 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.240 or just go go hang out and do stuff you know, 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.400 um and like get out of the house um. Or 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.000 I'll like switch studios, Like I'll go to like my 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.840 friends studio and like make something with them, or I'll 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.119 like collaborate with somebody just like to get fresh ears 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.439 on it. And sometimes it's cool because like if I 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.679 go in with like a another artist or or like 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.159 writer to like write something for somebody else, like and 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.600 like we can collaborate on that. I don't have to 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.600 hold myself back to like certain things that like I 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.160 don't want to say just because they get to say 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.320 it and they're okay with saying certain things like that. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.439 And like I'm getting to the point where it doesn't 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.080 like I don't really like limit myself anymore, because I 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.680 was noticing that was causing like some writer's block. Sometimes 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.719 ultimately I'll just try to like go right with somebody 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.840 else for something that doesn't really have to do with 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:18.639 my my music. That helps a lot because it reminds 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.600 me you're just like overthinking, like or just like you 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.440 just need to break. Is that tougher during quarantine? But 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.720 what's the toughest thing about quarantine been for you? I 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.040 guess just like being at the house all the time 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.119 and like not being able to go do stuff. And 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:34.879 then also like I was supposed to go on tour. 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.240 I really wanted to go on tour, so like, um, 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.399 and I've only been on the country one time and 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.280 that was in January to Berlin, and then I went 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.200 to London and Paris um for like a press run 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.600 and that was really cool. So I got like pretty 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:53.680 excited to to go on tour. But then the Corona 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.199 thing happened, so at first that was kind of a 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.199 I was really bummed out about it, and I'm like 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.439 bummed out about it still. It sucks, but like what 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.440 is it thirty percent of the country lost their jobs, 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.160 Like there's it's like a crazy amount. So I'm overall 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.600 and like really blessed to like be able to still 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.800 have the option to come in here and record, and 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.120 like I like have to remind myself of that, because yeah, 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.119 I was bummed out about tour because there was a 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.840 lot of places on the list that I've never seen 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:22.639 and like a lot of fans that I wanted to 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.000