1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Am I the a hole for not enjoying my boyfriend's 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: surprise to me while sick? Kind of surprise, Ah, I'm sick. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy that, so lunar looney one says, trigger warning, 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: stalk or ish behavior. The past couple weeks, I've been 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: extremely sick and haven't felt like leaving the house or 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: doing anything. This sucks for me because nobody likes to 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: be sick, but I am a busybody and being at 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: bedridden is awful. 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: I hate being bedridden. I feel you there. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: I also haven't seen my female nineteen boyfriend male twenty 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: in a while, and he keeps asking me when I 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: will see him, and I tell him I want to 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: wait until I'm at least not running fevers, because I 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to pass anything onto him, especially because he 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: has little siblings and a baby sister, and I would 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: feel awful if I got them sick. Yeah, that's fair. 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: If you have a fever, I definitely don't go around 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: seeing people. He's very persistent though, and keep saying how 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: much he misses me and he wants to see me. 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: He texts me multiple times a day asking to come over, 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: and I keep telling him not yet, especially because my 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: fevers are up in the one hundred and four range. 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's. 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: Like hospital interesting. 25 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: Yikes, Yeah, don't go over there. That's a yeah, that's 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: a bad fever. 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 3: Well, like dang, I would be the type of boyfriend 28 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: that's like, leez, let me feed you soup and give 29 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: you a burrito blanket. 30 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: But also, you know, if your partner's like, don't please, 31 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: I don't want you to come over. 32 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: You leave the soup outside outside, But I'd still be like, 33 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: let me feed you. 34 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna feed you. 35 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: I would think as much as I would be, I 36 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: would be Op's boyfriend. Yeah that sounds I don't know, 37 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: but the type of person I'm with. 38 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: They hopefully yeah, but this is this is Opie and 39 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: oh he's different. He doesn't want that. I honestly would 40 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: be like, is someone take care of me? What I say, 41 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: I would like someone to come and bring me soup, 42 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: but Op he doesn't want that right now because they 43 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: have a fever and they don't want them getting sick. 44 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: This is a boundary. Yesterday, both of my parents were 45 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: at work, so it was just me at home. I've 46 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: been in and out of sleep because I've been sick, 47 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: so I was sleep most of the day yesterday mine you. 48 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: My boyfriend works Monday through Friday, so in no way 49 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: did I expect this. Round two pm, I'm woken up 50 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: to someone rubbing my back. Before opening my eyes, I 51 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: think it's my father home on his lunch. Nope, it's 52 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: my boyfriend. I would be kind of really weirded out 53 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: that he just showed up while I was sleeping. 54 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: I'd be okay with it. I'd be like, how did 55 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: you get in here? 56 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would be like, how did you 57 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: get in here? I asked you not to come here. 58 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 3: If my girlfriend just showed up, i'd have to like her, though, 59 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: but that's why she's my girlfriend. 60 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: I would mind it. I'd be like, that's kind of 61 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 2: crazy you're here. 62 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would be weird at all. No, specifically, 63 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: this is I'm imagining the scenario. I told him not 64 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: to come, that I didn't feel well. I didn't want 65 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: them there, and then they showed up unannounced and are 66 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: rubbing my back while I'm asleep. 67 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: That's weird. 68 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: He says he couldn't stand being apart and wanted to 69 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: surprise me. I then asked how he even got in 70 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: because my parents always lock the door before leaving, remember 71 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: you your back door and loutch yeah, which I broke 72 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: it open. And he says he guessed the garage combination 73 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: because it's the same digits as my phone password, which 74 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: is what my family used as a common password. 75 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: Oh wait, actually, yeah, you're on his side. 76 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: This is weird. 77 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: This is weird, bro. 78 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 4: You need to stop, you know, like, oh my god, 79 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 4: oh gosh, I'm a. 80 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: Bit taken aback. And I tell him it wasn't cool 81 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: to show up uninvited. He told me it seemed like 82 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: I was ignoring him. She was sick. She was asleep and. 83 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: Sick, way but kinda big. I'm mighty, I'm already taking 84 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: myself in a hole, and. 85 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: He wanted to come see what's up. 86 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: We went back, what's going on? How's it going? My god? 87 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: He broke into their house to see what's up? 88 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: What's going on around here? 89 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: Guy's got on, he been sleeping ignoring me? Oh oh 90 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: my god. We went back and forth about it for 91 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: a while, me keeping my point it's rude to show 92 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: up uninvited, and he just tells me I should be 93 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: grateful to see him, and I needed to stop whining Jesus, 94 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: and after a while he left, mostly because I made 95 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: a point to say, my parents don't know you're here 96 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: and wouldn't be happy with me having you over here 97 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: without their permission. Since yesterday he has not talked to me. 98 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: Am I the a hole? No, No, your boyfriend is 99 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: the a hole. I hope he's your ex. Hope. He 100 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: then says, thank you for all the feedback. I'm trying 101 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: to read everything, but there's a new comment every time 102 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: I refresh. 103 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: Nice. 104 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: I will give an update once I talk to him. 105 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: I just don't know how I want to approach this. 106 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 2: Yet. 107 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: A lot of you are worried about my fever. Yeah 108 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: I know, I was like one hundred and four. Sorry 109 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: for the exaggeration. I have just been sick for a 110 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but my fever just started this week. 111 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: I have not had high fevers for weeks, hah No. 112 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: Started with just congestion and sore throat and recently just 113 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: turned into a cough and fever. And yes, I have 114 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: been to the doctor. Good. Uh yeah, bring up with 115 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: your boarriend. 116 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: Yeah that's weird. I don't know why. To him, I 117 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 2: don't know why I have not been pointing on my. 118 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: Han Yeah dumb him. 119 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: Yikes, that is that's not cool, Red Big Red Lave. 120 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're sick that you could get yourself sick, and 121 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: I know you miss her, but like, yeah, please. 122 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: On her. 123 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: Also, if I was feeling that bad, like I'm just 124 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: trying to imagine it from ops, like feeling that bad, 125 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: I'm sleeping all day. There are also situations where you 126 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: maybe just don't want your partner around even if you 127 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, you're like I want to rest. I don't 128 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: want to have to entertain. 129 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because he's twenty funny loki my partner. I 130 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: want them to be like kind of doing their own thing. Yeah, 131 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: and like I'm okay with like seeing them, but like. 132 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want them to be like needy. 133 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: Yeah super needy, which needy is cute. Yeah. Still yeah, 134 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: until one day it's like, oh. 135 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh my god, you never hang out 136 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: with me, but you're hanging out with them like every day. 137 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like okay, all right, now. 138 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: The boyfriend's making the whole op being sick about them 139 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: and about ob being sick, like we don't even like 140 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: he's not bringing in freaking soupter is just like I'm 141 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: with me. 142 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, not cool, bro, not cool. Leave the soup outside, 143 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: but you know what we're gonna leave for you guys. 144 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: Another story, Yeah. 145 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: Today aft up by asking my boyfriend what his exes 146 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: looked like. 147 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: That's always a tricky. 148 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Game, So Maloco Milk Maiden says, my boyfriend and I 149 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: have been dating for a while. We actually met in 150 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: sixth grade. We're both forty five. 151 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: Now wait what, Oh. 152 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: But they recently reconnected. I was like, oh, I see, 153 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: I see dating since sixth grade. 154 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: My coly, I do know a couple that has dated 155 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: six sixth grade. They have been together since twelve twelve twelve, 156 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: and they are now my age. I know, but I've 157 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: heard that they cheat on each other, and it makes 158 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: me kind of sad. 159 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: That is sad. I'm always worried about relationships from like 160 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: middle school or high school. 161 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you grow, grow, you grow. 162 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: You've grown as a person. I am not the same 163 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: person that I was in middle school. And up mygh 164 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: school this morning we were talking about her exes and 165 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: I actually knew one of them, a very pretty blonde 166 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: who is actually a very lovely person. He casually asked 167 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: me if I'd like to see the one previous to her. 168 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: Why why did you ask that. 169 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: You want to see at Yeah? We go way back. 170 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: Look at this broad my god, and then that's nice 171 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 4: sweety Yeah she's. 172 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: She's like, Okay, I didn't ask. He casually asked me 173 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: if I'd like to see the one previous to her. 174 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: Not thinking much of it, I said sure. She is 175 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: absolutely stunning, text book bombshell, brunette and gorgeous. To be fair, 176 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm not an ugly woman, but relatively plain. 177 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: She just called herself a five. 178 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I've let my insecurities take over and I'm really struggling. 179 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm a loving person and a good partner. I'm a 180 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: giver and do the very best I can to be 181 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: supportive and helpful. None of that is helping my current mindset. 182 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: Why on earth is this man with me when he 183 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: could literally do a lot better, at least physically. 184 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: Okay, I do want to talk about this, Okay. 185 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: Some of my friends that I have are very materialistic 186 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: when it comes to women, because I'll be like, hey, 187 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: look at this woman. 188 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: I think she's really pretty, and they're like whatever, da 189 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: da da. 190 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: Da, And then the women they show me are like 191 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: Kim Case and I'm like yeah, but then I talk 192 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: to him. They end up with these women but they're like, yeah, 193 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: but she's boring. 194 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. If you prioritize like looks over personality, 195 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: it's not gonna make a good relationship. 196 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: Like to me, I don't really like rate women, but 197 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: in my head, if I were to do that, I 198 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: want like a beautiful eight with no makeup. I know 199 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: this sounds weird, but like a ten I'm not interested 200 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: in because I'm like, okay, you probably are like like 201 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: a tend to everyone is like Meggot Fox or like 202 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: you know, Kim Kardashian that I'm not attracted to that. 203 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: I'd rather have like a woman that like as they 204 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: get older and have their kids, they become more beautiful 205 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: and they grow more into themselves. 206 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean everyone has their own type. 207 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 208 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: Like for me, there are like, you know, celebrities that 209 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: are considered like super attracted. 210 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, I was Adam Driver. Where did that come from? 211 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: I don't think he's much. 212 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: I know, but like some people think Outam Drivers attractive. 213 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly. Okay. My point was more like there 214 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: are some people that are like like this is the 215 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: hottest person, like universally acknowledged, like super odd person. I'm like, 216 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: not attractive to me. 217 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: It all depends, but it is sometimes like tricky, like 218 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: friends will be like, oh well, and I'm like, dude, 219 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 3: like at least I can like talk to her all night. 220 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're having a look at her all night. 221 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: I think it is okay to initially want to date 222 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: someone based off attractiveness, but it shouldn't be the only 223 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: thing keeping you together. 224 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 225 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: And also a lot of people that are seducers, Yeah 226 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 3: they're not very attractive. 227 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just all about the emotional mind game. 228 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, how attractive is this guy? 229 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: You know, it's all about the wave links anyway. 230 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: Oh, he continues. I know insecurities make people less attractive 231 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: and add to the inclination to project. He's also incredibly gorgeous, 232 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: and I just don't know how to fix where my 233 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: head is about it. I'm on the verge of walking 234 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: away because I know for certainty he can obviously do 235 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: much better. He's been depressed, and I'm afraid I'm just 236 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: a filler until he can move on. I love this 237 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: person and just don't want to be hurt ugh, damn it. 238 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: Ignorance was blissed and then TLDR my boyfriend is out 239 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: of my league and I saw evidence to back it up, 240 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: and there isn't at it. 241 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: Would you rather your boyfriend be out of your league 242 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: or you be out of your boyfriend's league. 243 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm out of anyone's league. 244 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: I could. 245 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: I could show you three people and be like, hey, 246 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: would you date this person? 247 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: And you would be like, I'm out of their league? 248 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 5: Yeah. 249 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: But that's the thing. I don't think it like they're like, 250 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm attracted to people who are too 251 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: attractive because oh, you know, like I'm attracted to a 252 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: very specific kind of attractiveness I see, And therefore I 253 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: don't think that they can be out of my leg 254 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. 255 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I see what you're saying. I do think 256 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: some women are out of my league. And I'm like, 257 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: why are you talking to me? 258 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Interesting? Yeah see I don't have that thought process. 259 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but now becoming more like because you sure I'm 260 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: scared to death talk to women. Now, after talking to 261 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 3: like more women, I don't think a lot of people 262 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: are out of my league. 263 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is not to say like I think I'm, like, 264 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, the prettiest person out there. 265 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: That is what she's saying. 266 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: No, that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. 267 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: What I'm saying I think I think I think I'm 268 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: able to get people because of my personality. I honestly 269 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: think I'm more of a personality person What did you 270 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: just do? 271 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: Shame you said that said personality? 272 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I said personality. Personality. I literally think I'd have. 273 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: A nice person well saying she just got big tits. 274 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that in like a metaphor. I'm 275 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: literal personal. 276 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: Talk about your personality because that's disrespectful. I think your 277 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 3: vibe is awesome. We gonna talk about girls personalities. 278 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: On Dude's Did you see what she just did? She 279 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: tried to put me in a corner. 280 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: And you're speaking metaphors. I'm talking about my literal personality. 281 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 3: I feel like someone's gonna clip me. I'm not gonna 282 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 3: do this anyways. Your vibes are awesome. Not gonna talk 283 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: about your personality. That's disrespectful. Your Sam's sister, come on. 284 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: City, you let into it. You that yourself into the 285 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: cor well. 286 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: I did it. I'm out of it. You did I'm 287 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: out of it. Edit. 288 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: Thank you everyone who took your time to offer different 289 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: points of view on the subject. It's been helpful to 290 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: look at through outside perspectives. I did not see it 291 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: as a way of self sabotage, and hearing that reflected 292 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: has given me pause in my motivations. For those of 293 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: you that asked, no, I did not directly ask my 294 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: person about it. My person. I don't believe expressing my 295 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: insecurities would be helpful. I believe insecurities are an individual 296 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: problem and at root my responsibility to correct. I think 297 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: that's kind of a healthy thing too. Yeah, I don't 298 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: think you should be like dumping all of your insecurities 299 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: on your partner. I think it is weird that he, like, unprompted, 300 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: showed you picture of his ex. 301 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: If I was with a person and they showed me 302 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: their ex and he was way harder than me, I'd 303 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: be like, yo, I'm funny. 304 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm like dude, I'm I'm like no, Like that's such 305 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: a compliment. I'm like, Jesus, that person was hot. 306 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: And you're with me because I'm hilarious. 307 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Because I'm like I'm a great personality. 308 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: Like like the harder they are, like, the more my 309 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 3: stand up comeding career is about to happen. 310 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: Literally, no, that's what I'm saying, Like, I honestly don't. 311 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: I think like half of the reason that I'm able 312 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: to like get people to like me is because of. 313 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: My My Bibes, a comedy podcast. 314 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm breaking out because I'm riot. I'm a riot, So 315 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm ever going to be like the 316 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: type of person that like people. You know, like they're 317 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: walking past me and they're like, oh my god. But 318 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: I think if they talk to me, I'm like, yeah, 319 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: I got in the bag. 320 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: I'm in the bag. They just got to break the eyes. 321 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they just got to talk to me. And 322 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: then yeah, dude, Okay that did work for me. I 323 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: went to the Bungalow. It's like a club. 324 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: I went there and all the guys there were like 325 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: nice looking California boys style work pants, nice little like thing, 326 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: and they were like good looking guys. 327 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 328 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: But I would go up to women and I'd be like, Yo, 329 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: what's up. I love your necklace, and I'll just be 330 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: the goofy guy. 331 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: And it worked. Numbers that nice. 332 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. Personalities are so much more interesting, 333 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: like you, Yeah, vibes whatever, vibes are so much more interesting. 334 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: Saving you here, You're welcome whatever, okay, really saving me? Yeah, 335 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: but that's the whole story, to be. 336 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: The whole story. 337 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: We got a live stream doing our live streaming our 338 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: live stream. 339 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: If you love us, make sure to subscribe. 340 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: We love you and sooner. 341 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 6: This is an episode from Deep within the Archives. 342 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: Time for okop re lam. 343 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 6: You won't let me extend my fifteen minute break, fine, 344 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 6: I'll follow all the rules and this. 345 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: Place will wow. Fifteen minutes. 346 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 6: Fifteen minutes so I mean that's like one hundred and 347 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 6: seven seconds. 348 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: Wow. I think it's way more than. 349 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 6: For twenty years I worked at a local government agency 350 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 6: here in the US. We were a small, well run 351 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 6: office with a supervisor who had a very laisz Fair 352 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 6: style of leadership. And this work think Ron Swanson Parking Recreation. 353 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: Nice. 354 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 6: It was do your job. If you have an idea, 355 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 6: develop a program, and we'll try it. If it doesn't work, 356 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 6: no harm done. Took what we learned from it and 357 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 6: used it in another program. Many programs developed spontaneously, and 358 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 6: there's a very collegial relationship within the department between everyone 359 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 6: from the department head down to the administrative staff, and 360 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 6: with other departments across the organization as well. 361 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: So everyone got along. I love that. 362 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 6: That department head unfortunately retired oh and was replaced with 363 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 6: the retired Army colonel d hoo ooh, who is somewhat 364 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 6: dictatorial in his style. 365 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 5: M you can dictate my style, y'all, dictate your style 366 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 5: on me. 367 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: Officer. Let's back down, baby, put. 368 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 5: Them five stars somewhere where you can use them. 369 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 6: Five stars as general oh, reporting for duty? Yeah? You 370 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 6: combying this. 371 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: Booty, that's right. Nice. 372 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 6: Suddenly, multi degreed professionals who were used to a significant 373 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 6: amount of autonomy and who were constantly worked well beyond 374 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 6: hours for which they were paid were being told that 375 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 6: they could not extend their lunch hour by fifteen minutes 376 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 6: once a week to participate in the local rotary club meetings. 377 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: Disgusting. Why would you ever allow that? 378 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, rotary club? 379 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: What is rotate your act? Backing your seat and keep working. 380 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 6: Oh think I'm paying for these dumb little meetings? 381 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: How much fifteen minutes times how many people? Ah? 382 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, that time is money. Time is money, right, rotary, 383 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 6: how about you write a list of out you're being Yep, 384 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 6: you can think of one reason for to skip work, 385 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 6: that's right. Despite that, we were expected to be involved 386 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 6: in local civic groups as part of a job. So 387 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 6: they were supposed to do work outside of their work. 388 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 6: And we had to take a fifteen minute break at 389 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 6: the assigned time each day. So they have their lunch hour, 390 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 6: they have a fifteen minute break, and that's it, and 391 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 6: they had to take it at the exact time. They're 392 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 6: given nothing else. You know, why don't they just clone themselves? 393 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 6: I don't understand. Why don't they just you know, this 394 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 6: is perfectly reasonable, essentially slavery. 395 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: This is too much. 396 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 6: As might be imagined, these administrative changes did not go 397 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 6: over well. In response to the new top down mandates, 398 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 6: the informal leaders instituted policies of their own without ever 399 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 6: saying a word. 400 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: What are these policies? You might ask? 401 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 6: I do ask suddenly if their assigned break time occurred 402 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 6: when they were on the telephone, they said, I'm sorry, 403 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 6: but it's my assigned break time. Click, I just would 404 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 6: the phone middle of conversation. 405 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: Okay. 406 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 6: Meetings that were ongoing at four fifty nine were abruptly 407 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 6: adjourned with a note that those from the office were 408 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 6: mandated to complete their activities by five pm daily. 409 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: I love that. I'm just imagining people like, okay, they did, no. 410 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 6: We're leaving, We're leaving. Get the hell out of. 411 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 5: Everyone just runs like it's five pay. 412 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: Come out mind you. 413 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 6: These were people who regularly worked with elected officials at 414 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 6: the state, national, and local levels, as well as the public. 415 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 6: So these are like people that are like done were 416 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 6: playing around this. This is some some protests, some very 417 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 6: very pleasant and rule fall in protests. When lunchtime or 418 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 6: five pm came around, they immediately stopped work, often leaving 419 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 6: the file drawer open, files laying on top as they 420 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 6: walked around the computers just doing exactly what they were doing. 421 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 6: And this inspired a revolution within the office. I love 422 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 6: how like for government workers, this is a revolution. We 423 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 6: will stop working on the dot and leave the cabinets open. 424 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: Whoa, this is like calm down, gandhi, oh my god. 425 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 6: It didn't take long for the support staff to follow suit, 426 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 6: and soon everyone was leaving on time. Yeah, this is 427 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 6: not the kind of action to which those that had 428 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 6: worked with them in the past were accustomed to, nor 429 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 6: was it what one would expect from professionals. 430 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 4: Right. 431 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 6: It was, however, exactly what was mandated by the new program. 432 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 6: Nothing was ever coordinated between them or the other staff. 433 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 6: But it wasn't long before the new department head was 434 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 6: getting called from their supervisor, who also happened to be 435 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 6: a retired cornl dear not, suggesting that they get a 436 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 6: handle on the situation and fix it immediately. Of course, 437 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 6: there was no disciplinary action because there were no rules 438 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 6: violated malicious compliance. Oh indeed, there was a hyper compliance 439 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 6: with the rules established. Things never completely relaxed on the 440 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 6: new department head, and I'm sure he wondered why there 441 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 6: was no more innovative product proposed. He had effectively put 442 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 6: out the spark of our doll dull lives and that 443 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 6: was the heart of the group. Though within the year 444 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 6: there was sixty percent turnover, the department was never the same. 445 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 5: Wow, that one sentence he put out the spark of 446 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 5: our do old whole lives Like they're like we had 447 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 5: like basically half of the thing to live for. Yeah, 448 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 5: and you just stamped it out, extinguished it. 449 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 6: Colonel, what are you doing? 450 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 5: You know, don't get a handle on them. Get a 451 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 5: handle on yourself. Oh where those hands at? That's right, yo, Colonel. 452 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 5: Where you gonna put that big missile of yours? 453 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: That's right, I can. 454 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 5: I can tell you somewhere you can plant your base. 455 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, baby, put that explosively. 456 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 2: That's where. 457 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: Just to be clear, just to effectively communicate with you, colonel, 458 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 5: because I know you appreciate that. 459 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 6: I always love the delay like John's John always like 460 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 6: he's like he's like referencing something, like we all know 461 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 6: what he's referencing. 462 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: Communicat every time. 463 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 5: It's called radical candor, Samuel, I have to be radically 464 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 5: candid about what I'm talking about. 465 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 6: Hey, well I'm going to be radically candid about the 466 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 6: next store. 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