WEBVTT - Best Of - Pt. 2 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:18.000 Hello everybody, and welcome. Here we are the Office Deep Dive, 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:22.680 and as always, it is me your host, Brian Baumgartner. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:28.200 I'm glad you made it. Why well, because today I 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.480 would like to continue on the theme of last week's 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.800 best of because I want to give the best to 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.879 the best. That's right, I'm saying you're the best, and 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.599 I am here to bring you more of my favorite 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.560 moments from my last round of interviews. It's going to 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.080 be a journey featuring some of your favorite Office cast 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.800 and crew. So buckle up, strap it on, get ready 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.760 to dive in. And where better to start than with 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.840 the man who's been described as a teacher, a mentor, 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:09.040 a role model, the Office Dad, and of course the 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:14.400 world's best boss. Here is Steve Carrell on who Michael 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:20.440 Scott is and what the Office would be like today. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:27.320 Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and Squeak. On 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.880 Bubble and Squeaker cooking at every month lift over from 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:48.160 the night before. Do you, as an actor do you 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:53.080 always search for the good and the character that you're portraying. Sure, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.920 I think you have to, because otherwise you're just demonizing 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.000 or judging the people that you're playing, and if you're 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.120 judging a character that you're playing, you're gonna play it differently. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.200 You don't want to editorialize about a character plan. I 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:14.680 think I think Michael's a decent a decent dude with 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:19.400 a lot of heart, But he's so based on his childhood, 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.400 based on all sorts of things and things that he 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.560 had lacked growing up, things that he was I felt 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.480 he was deprived of. He was so hungry for acceptance. 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.680 But I don't think he had the strongest templates in 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.160 the world to go by. But I think he also 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:45.000 learned and evolved and um became a better person along 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.119 the way. And he was just a bit a bit 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.960 myopic and became more aware. Once he sort of was 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.960 able to start stepping outside of himself and his own 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:00.600 little eccentricities, he could see a little bit more about 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.760 the world around him. I think one of the things 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:10.320 about Michael is he's actually this and in terms of 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.519 my interpretation of him, I feel like he would look 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.239 out at all the people who worked with him, and 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.040 it's like he would put his foot in his mouth 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.160 all the time. But in a lot of ways, I 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:31.760 don't think he ever valued one person or type of 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.200 person over any other. And in that way, I think 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:40.080 he was very pure character, because he's very dumb in 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:46.080 terms of political correctness and being appropriate in public. But 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.560 at the same time, I don't I just don't think 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:56.600 there was hardness in his heart towards anyone. He I 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:01.520 think a person with an enormously good mind heart who 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.560 lacked a great deal of information about the world around 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:11.520 him and was as a sleep in a woke world 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:16.359 as you could be, but trying his best, trying his best. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:22.800 And actually there's a difference between being intolerant and being ignorant, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.240 and and sometimes intolerance and ignorance go hand in hand, 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.520 for sure they do. But I think he was a 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.599 decent human being. Really, he just didn't get it all 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:40.599 the time. Um, the show was happening my mom and dad, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:45.080 they had friends and they would say, we can't watch 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.839 that show like that Michael Scott. He key makes me 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.520 too uncomfortable. I can't watch that. And I always felt 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.000 that this was came from a place of deep insecurity 0:04:55.160 --> 0:05:00.400 or like misogynistic or racist or homophobic feelings within himself, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.640 Like that's why it was uncomfortable at times. And then 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.880 you came out thanks a lot for saying this. I 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.400 get asked about it all the time that the show 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.520 could never be made now. This was not exactly what 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.320 I said. Okay, well, that's great because I have always 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.360 said that I thought that Steve was misquoted in this. Yeah, 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.279 I don't know. I don't know if it could be 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.360 made now. Maybe it could. I I guess my point 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.200 was that I think what I was trying to say 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:36.560 was that that exact same show probably wouldn't be made today, 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.480 but with the same components, the same actors, the same writers. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.679 If it were to come back, it would evolve into 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.440 the version of what we did back then. I mean, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.000 I think the writing would be a bit different in 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.680 today's climate, but I don't think it would be any 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.080 less insightful. I don't think it would be any less 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.200 smart or any less funny. It would just be different, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.520 that's all. And I do think it would be different, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:11.160 and I think, I mean, Michael Scott would be much 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.960 more tuned into what it is to be woke. He 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.719 would not understand it necessarily, but he would be. The 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.960 comedy would be coming from his struggle to understand and 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.320 fit into the world as we know it today. Because 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.760 the world as we knew it fifteen years ago is 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.920 different than it is today. But you know, you take 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:37.160 that same character who is trying to speak the language 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.000 of modern times. That can be very funny, but it 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:42.679 would just be different. It would just be a different 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.240 set of rules for today. But I don't know. I um, yeah, 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.760 I think you know. I think it's easy to say 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:55.960 that you can't be funny, you can't do comedy this 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.360 day and age. I think that's a bit of a 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.000 cop out, because is every you know, every time you 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:06.480 turn around, there is somebody coming up with something that 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:13.480 is of the time and inventive and doesn't shirk away 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:18.640 from our responsibility to look in the mirror. I think 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.640 it just I think it just takes a level of 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.920 intelligence to be able to do that. Now, Steve may 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:30.880 be kind and self reflective and understanding, but Michael Scott 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:37.320 wasn't always, at least not to one particular h R rep. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.640 So when it was time for me to talk to 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.480 Paul Lieberstein, I couldn't wait to ask him about being 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:48.360 the man that everyone loved to hate. There's another relationship 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.400 that I think was maybe my favorite in the show. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.680 Will you play that clip? Why are you the way 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.760 that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:04.559 something be fun or exciting, you make it not that way. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:11.400 I hate so much about the things that you choose 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:21.960 to be. I mean that when was the idea for 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:26.240 that born? It wasn't born in diversity. Steve wrote that speech, Yeah, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.560 he hated. And when I was watching some of those 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.360 things last night, I mean his face anytime he is 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.520 looking at you and angry at you in a way 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.800 is completely trans He almost looks like a different person, 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.720 and he's his energy. And at one point he's like, 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:48.240 I hate your lemon head or it's just crazy. It's 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.599 like I'm a Nazi and he thinks he's doing a 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.640 service to the world by hating me. Well that, well, 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.560 that's the other famous one, right, Like if I had 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:00.360 two bullets and there was Hitler, Ben Laden and Toby, 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:06.280 I would use both bullets and kill Toby. I think 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.920 it happened in Meredith's birthday and we all had to 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.240 sign that card. So I just had to go in 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.160 and said, oh, can I have a card and sign 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.440 something really quickly and leave, and he would just watch 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.840 me do it the whole time. Take after take it, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.680 he was just standing there watching and he told me 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.800 afterwards that he felt like the hate for me just 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:32.640 just well up inside him during these takes. So it 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.200 was so from that moment. Is that why you guys 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.440 decided to write that story in or to continue that, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.680 you know a lot of it he would. I think 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.240 the power of it came from Steve, you know, and 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.160 he would always do more. Even starting with Diversity Day. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.280 He was just supposed to say he would, you know, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.440 get out or something like that, but he did more. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.640 He relished the moment and played with it. And I 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.000 think he continues to do that. And really, you know, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.079 when we had these thirty six minute cuts and had 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.400 to decide what would stay, when Steve loved something, he 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.680 the performance would be amazing. And I think that's what 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.880 helped so much of the Toby Michael stuff stay right. 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.320 Just his pure power and just the pure power of 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:24.080 his like, yeah, being being there, corral genius. Oh yes, 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:29.559 the power of hatred. Never thought I'd say that on 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.800 this podcast. But Toby wasn't the only thing that brought 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.200 out the best in Steve. He was so consistently, so 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.839 amazing to work with every scene every day. Here's what 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:47.680 Craig Robinson had to say Darryll's relationship with Michael in 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.320 the show, it was a very like he kept coming 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:56.200 to you for advice, particularly on black culture. It was 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.360 a very very funny dynamic. What was your experience working 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:06.320 with Steve? He's the greatest. The way he could turn 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:11.360 it comedy button off and on like a falsett. It 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:16.079 was just genius to me. Whenever I had a scene 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:20.680 with him on and I was like titilation, you know, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.200 very exciting, and I learned from him, stole from him 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.280 all of that. Yeah, it's funny that you said you 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.600 said that because I thought you were going to say 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.760 something else, which I think is also true. Is part 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:36.240 of his genius is how he turns so quick, even 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.719 within a scene, you know what I mean, Like he 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.840 is he is fighting down one path and something may 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.160 happen and he just turns it like that and he's like, 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:52.040 you know, ultimate scene partner two. He listens and reacts two, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.280 you know what's going on? Like we had a scene 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:00.719 I didn't even really notice until it aired. It was 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:05.800 a negotiation. It might be my favorite episode just because 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.160 of the work I did with Steve and being able 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.480 to play with him like that. It was the scene 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.040 where he's like, I'm not going to speak first, like 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.000 decline to speak first. So we did a couple of 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.200 takes and it was fine, uh, and then he did 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.320 his next take and he's making these faces and if 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:30.360 you look closely, you could see Meet started crack a 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:35.120 smile on that. But it was just like, without even speaking, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.880 he could, you know, pull this out of you. The 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.439 laughter is like, oh, he's to get me. But also 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:45.560 in that episode when I was saying, uh, where he 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.560 listens and you know, like the perfect improvisation partner, you're 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.600 listening to take it to the next level. So we're 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.560 talking about, you know, getting raised from jan and I said, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:13:08.479 make it happen, Captain, he said, I will, Sergeant God amazing. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.240 Do you think that your relationship with him evolved throughout 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.559 the show? Yeah, but I think everybody's everybody evolved in 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:23.839 this show. Everybody I went through character development. Um, you 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.360 know that's one of the things that makes it what 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.560 it is. You people got to know these people, right. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.200 But yeah, I think every every situation evolved to something. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.720 I mean, you started out and your episodes were mainly 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.920 about like the office versus the warehouse, whether directly in 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.960 basketball or like a weird class thing where you have 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.680 like the white collar and the blue collar. Talk to 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.199 me about the transition for you character wise or as 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.679 an actor of you finally coming up and being a 0:13:54.679 --> 0:14:00.839 regular part of like the bullpen. Character wise, Um, it 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:05.120 felt like like it did in real life, like oh 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.520 many and making you a regular you know what I'm saying. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:14.720 So definitely a move on up for Craig Infidaryl, you know. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.559 And it was like more responsibility. And Rain used to 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.520 say I had the sweetest schedule in Hollywood because I 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.200 would come in for like an episode here, and then 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.080 four weeks later come in do the Christmas episode. But 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.800 uh yeah, character whiz. It was it was like step 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.080 up and Okay, they're starting to see, you know, starting 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:55.280 to feeling Look, I know I've said it a million times, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.240 so it should go without saying that. We all loved 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.720 working with Steve, but there was a time when we 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.000 didn't get to do that anymore. That was a bit 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.720 of a shock for us. We were excited and we 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:12.160 trusted the process, but we were all scared too, and 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.760 we all dealt with it differently. Kate Flannery talked to 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:20.560 me about her, how do I say her particular process 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.400 of handling the news the day she heard it. What 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.640 do you remember about finding out that Steve was leaving? 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.720 I literally was with Creed. We were on the side 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:39.240 of the office doing like a satellite press junket um 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.600 and we and they had announced it that morning, so 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.960 every venue wanted to talk about it, and I was 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.680 like wow, because of course it was emotional. I mean, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.240 who are we We're not I mean Michael Scott. You know, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.760 Michael Scott is thundermevient, he is the office. Um. Yeah, 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.880 I was so freaked out. And really I told Creed 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.640 him like, Okay, anytime they talk about this, just just 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.440 pretend like we can't hear the feeld, like I think 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.520 the feed's going. I'm sorry, I'm getting some interference. What 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.480 was the question? Wishing him all the best? Like I 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.280 we had this little thing where we would figure out 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:14.600 how to get out of the conversation. So but I 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.160 was I was definitely freaked out. And I mean, the 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.800 great thing, the great thing about our show is that 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.880 I feel like Greg Daniels is so trustworthy, and I 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.200 feel like he's picked so many great writers, and I 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.320 feel like if anything could have survived a couple more 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.560 years without step Garrow, it was because of Greg Daniels. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.200 But I was nervous. I was, and I was nervous 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.280 about Spader um just because he's not a comedy guy. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.600 And he's brilliant, but he's not a comedy guy. And 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.160 I kind of had this little thing like, oh, no, 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.400 he's holding the baby. He's gonna drop the baby. Don't 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.080 drop the baby. And also I was intimidated because he's 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.440 he's like a movie star and I had seen so 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.360 many all of his movies, and you know, and there 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.360 was so much sexual tension between the two of us, 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:59.320 so much, but I felt like there was sexual tension 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:04.920 between me Spader. They're they're probably even more even more. No, seriously, Spader, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:10.600 he liked anyone, right, there is sexual things Um. The 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.400 season eight Christmas episode, there was one take where he's 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.760 sort of like Meredith thinks she's actually made me gonna 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.280 go to dinner with em or something like that, she's 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:21.920 got a chance with him, and he sort of touches 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.760 her cheeks like no, no, no, and she goes to 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.840 hug me, and I literally one take, I grabbed his 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.200 ass and then I was like immediately when we stoped, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.560 I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.760 I'm sorry. I just felt like, oh my god, he goes, No, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.640 he goes. That was the right thing to do. Didn't 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.920 end up using it, but I was like, don't grab 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:46.240 James Spader's ask Kate what the wing. I was so nervous. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.880 I was like, oh no, oh no, oh no, Hey, listen, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:56.320 Navigating onset relationships can be weird for anyone, and I'm 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.560 sure it doesn't help when you're playing Meredith Palmer. But hey, 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:05.840 sounds like he was a okay with your decisions, Kate. Now, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.760 when Jenna sat down with me, we talked a lot 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.480 about her own relationships with the cast, in particular Pam's 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:20.160 relationship with Dwight and her personal relationship with Rain. Okay, 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.000 so I talked again about sort of that emotional core. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.440 Dwight talk to me a little bit about the relationship 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.639 between the two of you and how that changed and evolved. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:35.760 I mean, you were with Jim adversaries and made you 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.520 crazy forever, and then ultimately by the end he says 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:44.879 that you're his best friend. Dwight does Dwight, does you know. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:50.200 I think it's that first episode the Injury, when Pam 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.959 has that line Dwight is kind of my friend. But 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.320 I think there's other things. You know, Jim and Pam 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.520 spends so much time teasing Dwight, and I think even 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.679 go too far a few times. In my rewatching of 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.560 the show, I think there's a few times when we're like, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.280 actually a little cruel to him that makes me cringe 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.240 and I feel like, oh, that wasn't our best moment. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:17.159 But I appreciate because we allow our characters too. We 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:22.880 don't all every day have perfect moments, right. But it's 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.879 so hard for me to think about Pam's relationship with 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:29.560 Dwight without thinking about my relationship to Rain. Rain is 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:35.439 a deeply soulful person. He's also like a curmudgeon lee 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.600 old man. He's really cranky sometimes and on set he 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:44.080 would be hilarious. Do you remember the time Do you 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.520 remember the time he declared, oh my god, it was 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.520 so funny. We're getting ready to shoot and he said, 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.720 hold on, weight, just hold on, everybody, hold on for 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:56.080 a second. I have an announcement. Everyone on Monday's you 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.080 do not need to ask me how my weekend was 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.840 any more. All right, every single person asked me how 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.000 my weekend was. Just assume it was fine. We were like, 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.639 where is this comming from? Right? And I talked to 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.760 him about this and he goes, Jenna, that is not true. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.639 I said that on a Tuesday. I said, only asked 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.080 me how my weekend was on Mondays. No more of 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.119 this bleeding into Tuesday Mondays. And he went crazy because 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:27.360 you and I know what he was talking about, because 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.280 it's five o'clock in the morning and every single person 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.760 that you passed is like, hello, good morning, how was 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.400 your weekend? And he what he was saying was like, 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.800 you don't have to talk to me. We just saw 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:42.200 each other on Friday night. We're good, We're good. Yes, 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:45.240 it's so true. So he would be like that guy 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.040 on this set. It was like so funny. But then 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:52.199 at the same time, in moments of deep crisis, I 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.680 have phoned him. I had a job offer that was 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.000 going to take me out of town and would uproot 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.000 my family for a period of time. I really wrestled 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.960 with the decision. I called him and he counseled me. 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.080 He is he has that in him, a type of counselor, 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:14.960 and I value him so deeply in my life. But 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.119 then like like he'll call me up and he'll be like, 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.600 do you want to go to lunch? And I'm like, yeah, 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:22.479 I mean because you sound like you want to go 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.359 so bad, like is it a chore or do you 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:26.560 want to go? Just like no, I want to lunch 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.080 with you, Like, all right, let's go to lunch. And 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:30.880 then you go to lunch, and I was just sort 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.240 of like, are you liking our lunch? Are we having 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.919 a good lunch? How are you tell me about you? 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:42.920 And all so funny, But then like if I were 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.040 to do you know what I mean? So it's like 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.560 very much like the Pam Dwight where Pam will like 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.640 be like, oh I love Dwight. I'm gonna go say 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.439 something nice to him, and then he'll just be like, 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:58.159 Pam something about knives, something about snakes or bears, and 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:03.120 she's like yeah, okay, right, okay, But so I guess um, 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.960 I feel deeply loved by Rain, and I think Pam 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.120 fell deeply loved by Dwight as well, like they had 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:11.280 a real bond, they really cared for one another eventually 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:16.160 eventually yeah. Well, and it's similar to your relationship with Michael, right, 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:21.760 I mean from where that relationship started and him fake 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:27.240 firing you to him leaving and you you having sort 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:32.280 of that final moment with him. Um, what did he 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.560 say to you? Well, it wasn't so much what he 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.520 said to me. Um. Paul Fie directed that episode Goodbye Michael, 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:45.000 and Uh. We were at the airport and Paul Fiq said, Jenna, 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:49.080 I want you to just run up and just say 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:53.600 goodbye to Steve. Your friends Steve, this is your last 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.159 scene with him, so say goodbye. We're not going to 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.800 use the sound, We're just going to have a spy 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.479 shot on you. I thought, okay, So I ran up 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.080 to Steve and I just told him all the ways 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.080 I was going to miss him and how grateful I 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.280 was for his friendship and the privilege of working with him. 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:14.119 And I'm sobbing and he's sobbing, and we're hugging and 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:15.560 and I didn't want to let him go and I 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:19.000 didn't want the scene to end. And then finally paulfy 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.320 you know, says cut and he was like, Jenna, that 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.159 was that was brilliant. Can you do it again? But 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.560 just a little faster because it had been like five minutes. 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:33.159 He was like, we just need to tighten it up 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:40.960 a little because they wanted him to actually walk away 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:44.320 and they had one camera. There was only one shot 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:49.439 that they couldn't edit. Is so great. I was like, 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.840 just tighten it up a little. But sweetie, great job. 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:57.280 I guess he could tell. I was like, sobbing. Well, 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:02.560 if that's not an indication of how much we all 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.679 meant to each other, well then maybe this next clip 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.439 will be. Claire Scanlon wasn't part of the cast, but 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.680 she was an essential part of our crew, starting out 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.280 as an editor and moving on to directing episodes of 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.880 the show, and she certainly felt the love we had 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:24.719 for each other. So you learned to edit scripted shows 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:29.879 on the office, but really coming from you know, documentary, 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:34.959 specifically comedy documentaries, this felt comfortable. Yeah. And also, by 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.640 the way, like that same camaraderie that led to such 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:41.080 a strong ensemble, it extended through I remember talking to 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.000 John about this one time and we were just sitting 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.960 I think he directed an episode. You know, I was ahead, 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:47.359 so I would come to set pick John. I think 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:48.960 you need to get this shot, you know, like you 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:51.000 need to get this because otherwise how do we it 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.399 was the bulldozer. Rain was taking a bulldozer in the 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:57.400 warehouse and smashing it all and you needed the reverse 0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:58.800 and and I was like, I think you need that 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.720 reverse and we were in there and he's like, oh yeah, 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.160 no ego, Like it was fine for me to tell 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.560 John and he needed this shot. Like I would come 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:08.320 to set a lot, Dave would come to set a lot, 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.760 and there was like, that's not normal, like that you 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.720 always are inviting that. By the way, I always asked 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.719 the editor to come to set. Why wouldn't I want 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:17.600 an extra pair of eyes that might be catching something 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.720 because I'm in the thick of it with five other 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.560 questions like why wouldn't I want someone having my back. 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.080 It's just a lovely thing to have. It's not about 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.680 ego or power being a no tour, there's no such thing. 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.760 First of all. But with John, we were cutting his 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.800 episode and I remember just being like this is such 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:37.919 a cool place to work, like being just truly grateful. 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.280 And I was like, I am happy to come in 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.960 here every day. And I was like he's like, yeah, 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.160 he's like there's not one person like that. You want 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:47.800 to like put your head down when you see them 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:49.840 walking down the hall. He's like, there's not one person 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.280