1 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome. Here we are the Office Deep Dive, 2 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: and as always, it is me your host, Brian Baumgartner. 3 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad you made it. Why well, because today I 4 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: would like to continue on the theme of last week's 5 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: best of because I want to give the best to 6 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: the best. That's right, I'm saying you're the best, and 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: I am here to bring you more of my favorite 8 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: moments from my last round of interviews. It's going to 9 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: be a journey featuring some of your favorite Office cast 10 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: and crew. So buckle up, strap it on, get ready 11 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: to dive in. And where better to start than with 12 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: the man who's been described as a teacher, a mentor, 13 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: a role model, the Office Dad, and of course the 14 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: world's best boss. Here is Steve Carrell on who Michael 15 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: Scott is and what the Office would be like today. 16 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and Squeak. On 17 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeaker cooking at every month lift over from 18 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: the night before. Do you, as an actor do you 19 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: always search for the good and the character that you're portraying. Sure, 20 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: I think you have to, because otherwise you're just demonizing 21 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: or judging the people that you're playing, and if you're 22 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: judging a character that you're playing, you're gonna play it differently. 23 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: You don't want to editorialize about a character plan. I 24 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: think I think Michael's a decent a decent dude with 25 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: a lot of heart, But he's so based on his childhood, 26 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: based on all sorts of things and things that he 27 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: had lacked growing up, things that he was I felt 28 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: he was deprived of. He was so hungry for acceptance. 29 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: But I don't think he had the strongest templates in 30 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: the world to go by. But I think he also 31 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: learned and evolved and um became a better person along 32 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: the way. And he was just a bit a bit 33 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: myopic and became more aware. Once he sort of was 34 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: able to start stepping outside of himself and his own 35 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: little eccentricities, he could see a little bit more about 36 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: the world around him. I think one of the things 37 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: about Michael is he's actually this and in terms of 38 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: my interpretation of him, I feel like he would look 39 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: out at all the people who worked with him, and 40 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: it's like he would put his foot in his mouth 41 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: all the time. But in a lot of ways, I 42 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: don't think he ever valued one person or type of 43 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: person over any other. And in that way, I think 44 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: he was very pure character, because he's very dumb in 45 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: terms of political correctness and being appropriate in public. But 46 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't I just don't think 47 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: there was hardness in his heart towards anyone. He I 48 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: think a person with an enormously good mind heart who 49 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: lacked a great deal of information about the world around 50 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: him and was as a sleep in a woke world 51 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: as you could be, but trying his best, trying his best. 52 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: And actually there's a difference between being intolerant and being ignorant, 53 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: and and sometimes intolerance and ignorance go hand in hand, 54 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: for sure they do. But I think he was a 55 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: decent human being. Really, he just didn't get it all 56 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: the time. Um, the show was happening my mom and dad, 57 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: they had friends and they would say, we can't watch 58 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: that show like that Michael Scott. He key makes me 59 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: too uncomfortable. I can't watch that. And I always felt 60 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: that this was came from a place of deep insecurity 61 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: or like misogynistic or racist or homophobic feelings within himself, 62 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: Like that's why it was uncomfortable at times. And then 63 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: you came out thanks a lot for saying this. I 64 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: get asked about it all the time that the show 65 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: could never be made now. This was not exactly what 66 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: I said. Okay, well, that's great because I have always 67 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: said that I thought that Steve was misquoted in this. Yeah, 68 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if it could be 69 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: made now. Maybe it could. I I guess my point 70 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: was that I think what I was trying to say 71 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: was that that exact same show probably wouldn't be made today, 72 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: but with the same components, the same actors, the same writers. 73 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: If it were to come back, it would evolve into 74 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: the version of what we did back then. I mean, 75 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: I think the writing would be a bit different in 76 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: today's climate, but I don't think it would be any 77 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: less insightful. I don't think it would be any less 78 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: smart or any less funny. It would just be different, 79 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: that's all. And I do think it would be different, 80 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: and I think, I mean, Michael Scott would be much 81 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: more tuned into what it is to be woke. He 82 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: would not understand it necessarily, but he would be. The 83 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: comedy would be coming from his struggle to understand and 84 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: fit into the world as we know it today. Because 85 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: the world as we knew it fifteen years ago is 86 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: different than it is today. But you know, you take 87 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: that same character who is trying to speak the language 88 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: of modern times. That can be very funny, but it 89 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: would just be different. It would just be a different 90 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: set of rules for today. But I don't know. I um, yeah, 91 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: I think you know. I think it's easy to say 92 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: that you can't be funny, you can't do comedy this 93 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: day and age. I think that's a bit of a 94 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: cop out, because is every you know, every time you 95 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: turn around, there is somebody coming up with something that 96 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: is of the time and inventive and doesn't shirk away 97 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: from our responsibility to look in the mirror. I think 98 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: it just I think it just takes a level of 99 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: intelligence to be able to do that. Now, Steve may 100 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: be kind and self reflective and understanding, but Michael Scott 101 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: wasn't always, at least not to one particular h R rep. 102 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: So when it was time for me to talk to 103 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Paul Lieberstein, I couldn't wait to ask him about being 104 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: the man that everyone loved to hate. There's another relationship 105 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: that I think was maybe my favorite in the show. 106 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Will you play that clip? Why are you the way 107 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do 108 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 1: something be fun or exciting, you make it not that way. 109 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: I hate so much about the things that you choose 110 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: to be. I mean that when was the idea for 111 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: that born? It wasn't born in diversity. Steve wrote that speech, Yeah, 112 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: he hated. And when I was watching some of those 113 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: things last night, I mean his face anytime he is 114 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: looking at you and angry at you in a way 115 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: is completely trans He almost looks like a different person, 116 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: and he's his energy. And at one point he's like, 117 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: I hate your lemon head or it's just crazy. It's 118 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 1: like I'm a Nazi and he thinks he's doing a 119 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: service to the world by hating me. Well that, well, 120 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: that's the other famous one, right, Like if I had 121 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: two bullets and there was Hitler, Ben Laden and Toby, 122 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: I would use both bullets and kill Toby. I think 123 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: it happened in Meredith's birthday and we all had to 124 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: sign that card. So I just had to go in 125 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: and said, oh, can I have a card and sign 126 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: something really quickly and leave, and he would just watch 127 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: me do it the whole time. Take after take it, 128 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: he was just standing there watching and he told me 129 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: afterwards that he felt like the hate for me just 130 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: just well up inside him during these takes. So it 131 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: was so from that moment. Is that why you guys 132 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: decided to write that story in or to continue that, 133 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: you know a lot of it he would. I think 134 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: the power of it came from Steve, you know, and 135 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: he would always do more. Even starting with Diversity Day. 136 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: He was just supposed to say he would, you know, 137 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: get out or something like that, but he did more. 138 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: He relished the moment and played with it. And I 139 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: think he continues to do that. And really, you know, 140 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: when we had these thirty six minute cuts and had 141 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: to decide what would stay, when Steve loved something, he 142 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: the performance would be amazing. And I think that's what 143 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: helped so much of the Toby Michael stuff stay right. 144 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: Just his pure power and just the pure power of 145 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: his like, yeah, being being there, corral genius. Oh yes, 146 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: the power of hatred. Never thought I'd say that on 147 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: this podcast. But Toby wasn't the only thing that brought 148 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: out the best in Steve. He was so consistently, so 149 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: amazing to work with every scene every day. Here's what 150 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: Craig Robinson had to say Darryll's relationship with Michael in 151 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: the show, it was a very like he kept coming 152 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: to you for advice, particularly on black culture. It was 153 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: a very very funny dynamic. What was your experience working 154 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: with Steve? He's the greatest. The way he could turn 155 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: it comedy button off and on like a falsett. It 156 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: was just genius to me. Whenever I had a scene 157 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: with him on and I was like titilation, you know, 158 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: very exciting, and I learned from him, stole from him 159 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah, it's funny that you said you 160 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: said that because I thought you were going to say 161 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: something else, which I think is also true. Is part 162 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: of his genius is how he turns so quick, even 163 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: within a scene, you know what I mean, Like he 164 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: is he is fighting down one path and something may 165 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: happen and he just turns it like that and he's like, 166 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, ultimate scene partner two. He listens and reacts two, 167 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: you know what's going on? Like we had a scene 168 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: I didn't even really notice until it aired. It was 169 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: a negotiation. It might be my favorite episode just because 170 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: of the work I did with Steve and being able 171 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: to play with him like that. It was the scene 172 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: where he's like, I'm not going to speak first, like 173 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: decline to speak first. So we did a couple of 174 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: takes and it was fine, uh, and then he did 175 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: his next take and he's making these faces and if 176 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: you look closely, you could see Meet started crack a 177 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: smile on that. But it was just like, without even speaking, 178 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: he could, you know, pull this out of you. The 179 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: laughter is like, oh, he's to get me. But also 180 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: in that episode when I was saying, uh, where he 181 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: listens and you know, like the perfect improvisation partner, you're 182 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: listening to take it to the next level. So we're 183 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, getting raised from jan and I said, 184 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:08,479 Speaker 1: make it happen, Captain, he said, I will, Sergeant God amazing. 185 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: Do you think that your relationship with him evolved throughout 186 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: the show? Yeah, but I think everybody's everybody evolved in 187 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: this show. Everybody I went through character development. Um, you 188 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: know that's one of the things that makes it what 189 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: it is. You people got to know these people, right. 190 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think every every situation evolved to something. 191 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you started out and your episodes were mainly 192 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: about like the office versus the warehouse, whether directly in 193 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: basketball or like a weird class thing where you have 194 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: like the white collar and the blue collar. Talk to 195 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: me about the transition for you character wise or as 196 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: an actor of you finally coming up and being a 197 00:13:54,679 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: regular part of like the bullpen. Character wise, Um, it 198 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: felt like like it did in real life, like oh 199 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: many and making you a regular you know what I'm saying. 200 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: So definitely a move on up for Craig Infidaryl, you know. 201 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: And it was like more responsibility. And Rain used to 202 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: say I had the sweetest schedule in Hollywood because I 203 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: would come in for like an episode here, and then 204 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: four weeks later come in do the Christmas episode. But 205 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: uh yeah, character whiz. It was it was like step 206 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: up and Okay, they're starting to see, you know, starting 207 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: to feeling Look, I know I've said it a million times, 208 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: so it should go without saying that. We all loved 209 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: working with Steve, but there was a time when we 210 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: didn't get to do that anymore. That was a bit 211 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: of a shock for us. We were excited and we 212 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: trusted the process, but we were all scared too, and 213 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: we all dealt with it differently. Kate Flannery talked to 214 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: me about her, how do I say her particular process 215 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: of handling the news the day she heard it. What 216 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: do you remember about finding out that Steve was leaving? 217 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: I literally was with Creed. We were on the side 218 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: of the office doing like a satellite press junket um 219 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: and we and they had announced it that morning, so 220 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: every venue wanted to talk about it, and I was 221 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: like wow, because of course it was emotional. I mean, 222 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: who are we We're not I mean Michael Scott. You know, 223 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: Michael Scott is thundermevient, he is the office. Um. Yeah, 224 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: I was so freaked out. And really I told Creed 225 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: him like, Okay, anytime they talk about this, just just 226 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: pretend like we can't hear the feeld, like I think 227 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: the feed's going. I'm sorry, I'm getting some interference. What 228 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: was the question? Wishing him all the best? Like I 229 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: we had this little thing where we would figure out 230 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: how to get out of the conversation. So but I 231 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: was I was definitely freaked out. And I mean, the 232 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: great thing, the great thing about our show is that 233 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: I feel like Greg Daniels is so trustworthy, and I 234 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: feel like he's picked so many great writers, and I 235 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: feel like if anything could have survived a couple more 236 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: years without step Garrow, it was because of Greg Daniels. 237 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: But I was nervous. I was, and I was nervous 238 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: about Spader um just because he's not a comedy guy. 239 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: And he's brilliant, but he's not a comedy guy. And 240 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: I kind of had this little thing like, oh, no, 241 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: he's holding the baby. He's gonna drop the baby. Don't 242 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: drop the baby. And also I was intimidated because he's 243 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: he's like a movie star and I had seen so 244 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: many all of his movies, and you know, and there 245 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: was so much sexual tension between the two of us, 246 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: so much, but I felt like there was sexual tension 247 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: between me Spader. They're they're probably even more even more. No, seriously, Spader, 248 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: he liked anyone, right, there is sexual things Um. The 249 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: season eight Christmas episode, there was one take where he's 250 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: sort of like Meredith thinks she's actually made me gonna 251 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: go to dinner with em or something like that, she's 252 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: got a chance with him, and he sort of touches 253 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: her cheeks like no, no, no, and she goes to 254 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: hug me, and I literally one take, I grabbed his 255 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: ass and then I was like immediately when we stoped, 256 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry, 257 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just felt like, oh my god, he goes, No, 258 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: he goes. That was the right thing to do. Didn't 259 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: end up using it, but I was like, don't grab 260 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: James Spader's ask Kate what the wing. I was so nervous. 261 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, oh no, oh no, Hey, listen, 262 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: Navigating onset relationships can be weird for anyone, and I'm 263 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: sure it doesn't help when you're playing Meredith Palmer. But hey, 264 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: sounds like he was a okay with your decisions, Kate. Now, 265 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: when Jenna sat down with me, we talked a lot 266 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: about her own relationships with the cast, in particular Pam's 267 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: relationship with Dwight and her personal relationship with Rain. Okay, 268 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: so I talked again about sort of that emotional core. 269 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: Dwight talk to me a little bit about the relationship 270 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: between the two of you and how that changed and evolved. 271 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you were with Jim adversaries and made you 272 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: crazy forever, and then ultimately by the end he says 273 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: that you're his best friend. Dwight does Dwight, does you know. 274 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: I think it's that first episode the Injury, when Pam 275 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: has that line Dwight is kind of my friend. But 276 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: I think there's other things. You know, Jim and Pam 277 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: spends so much time teasing Dwight, and I think even 278 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: go too far a few times. In my rewatching of 279 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: the show, I think there's a few times when we're like, 280 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: actually a little cruel to him that makes me cringe 281 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: and I feel like, oh, that wasn't our best moment. 282 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: But I appreciate because we allow our characters too. We 283 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: don't all every day have perfect moments, right. But it's 284 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: so hard for me to think about Pam's relationship with 285 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: Dwight without thinking about my relationship to Rain. Rain is 286 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: a deeply soulful person. He's also like a curmudgeon lee 287 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: old man. He's really cranky sometimes and on set he 288 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: would be hilarious. Do you remember the time Do you 289 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: remember the time he declared, oh my god, it was 290 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: so funny. We're getting ready to shoot and he said, 291 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: hold on, weight, just hold on, everybody, hold on for 292 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: a second. I have an announcement. Everyone on Monday's you 293 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: do not need to ask me how my weekend was 294 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: any more. All right, every single person asked me how 295 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: my weekend was. Just assume it was fine. We were like, 296 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: where is this comming from? Right? And I talked to 297 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: him about this and he goes, Jenna, that is not true. 298 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: I said that on a Tuesday. I said, only asked 299 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: me how my weekend was on Mondays. No more of 300 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: this bleeding into Tuesday Mondays. And he went crazy because 301 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: you and I know what he was talking about, because 302 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: it's five o'clock in the morning and every single person 303 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: that you passed is like, hello, good morning, how was 304 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: your weekend? And he what he was saying was like, 305 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: you don't have to talk to me. We just saw 306 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: each other on Friday night. We're good, We're good. Yes, 307 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: it's so true. So he would be like that guy 308 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: on this set. It was like so funny. But then 309 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: at the same time, in moments of deep crisis, I 310 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: have phoned him. I had a job offer that was 311 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: going to take me out of town and would uproot 312 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: my family for a period of time. I really wrestled 313 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: with the decision. I called him and he counseled me. 314 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: He is he has that in him, a type of counselor, 315 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: and I value him so deeply in my life. But 316 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: then like like he'll call me up and he'll be like, 317 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: do you want to go to lunch? And I'm like, yeah, 318 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: I mean because you sound like you want to go 319 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: so bad, like is it a chore or do you 320 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: want to go? Just like no, I want to lunch 321 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: with you, Like, all right, let's go to lunch. And 322 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: then you go to lunch, and I was just sort 323 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: of like, are you liking our lunch? Are we having 324 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: a good lunch? How are you tell me about you? 325 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: And all so funny, But then like if I were 326 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: to do you know what I mean? So it's like 327 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: very much like the Pam Dwight where Pam will like 328 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: be like, oh I love Dwight. I'm gonna go say 329 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: something nice to him, and then he'll just be like, 330 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: Pam something about knives, something about snakes or bears, and 331 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: she's like yeah, okay, right, okay, But so I guess um, 332 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: I feel deeply loved by Rain, and I think Pam 333 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: fell deeply loved by Dwight as well, like they had 334 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: a real bond, they really cared for one another eventually 335 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: eventually yeah. Well, and it's similar to your relationship with Michael, right, 336 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean from where that relationship started and him fake 337 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: firing you to him leaving and you you having sort 338 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: of that final moment with him. Um, what did he 339 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: say to you? Well, it wasn't so much what he 340 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: said to me. Um. Paul Fie directed that episode Goodbye Michael, 341 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: and Uh. We were at the airport and Paul Fiq said, Jenna, 342 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: I want you to just run up and just say 343 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: goodbye to Steve. Your friends Steve, this is your last 344 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: scene with him, so say goodbye. We're not going to 345 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: use the sound, We're just going to have a spy 346 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 1: shot on you. I thought, okay, So I ran up 347 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: to Steve and I just told him all the ways 348 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: I was going to miss him and how grateful I 349 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: was for his friendship and the privilege of working with him. 350 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: And I'm sobbing and he's sobbing, and we're hugging and 351 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to let him go and I 352 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: didn't want the scene to end. And then finally paulfy 353 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, says cut and he was like, Jenna, that 354 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: was that was brilliant. Can you do it again? But 355 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: just a little faster because it had been like five minutes. 356 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: He was like, we just need to tighten it up 357 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: a little because they wanted him to actually walk away 358 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: and they had one camera. There was only one shot 359 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: that they couldn't edit. Is so great. I was like, 360 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: just tighten it up a little. But sweetie, great job. 361 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: I guess he could tell. I was like, sobbing. Well, 362 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: if that's not an indication of how much we all 363 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: meant to each other, well then maybe this next clip 364 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: will be. Claire Scanlon wasn't part of the cast, but 365 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: she was an essential part of our crew, starting out 366 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: as an editor and moving on to directing episodes of 367 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: the show, and she certainly felt the love we had 368 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 1: for each other. So you learned to edit scripted shows 369 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: on the office, but really coming from you know, documentary, 370 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: specifically comedy documentaries, this felt comfortable. Yeah. And also, by 371 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: the way, like that same camaraderie that led to such 372 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: a strong ensemble, it extended through I remember talking to 373 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: John about this one time and we were just sitting 374 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: I think he directed an episode. You know, I was ahead, 375 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: so I would come to set pick John. I think 376 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: you need to get this shot, you know, like you 377 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: need to get this because otherwise how do we it 378 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: was the bulldozer. Rain was taking a bulldozer in the 379 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: warehouse and smashing it all and you needed the reverse 380 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: and and I was like, I think you need that 381 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: reverse and we were in there and he's like, oh yeah, 382 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: no ego, Like it was fine for me to tell 383 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: John and he needed this shot. Like I would come 384 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: to set a lot, Dave would come to set a lot, 385 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: and there was like, that's not normal, like that you 386 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: always are inviting that. By the way, I always asked 387 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: the editor to come to set. Why wouldn't I want 388 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: an extra pair of eyes that might be catching something 389 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: because I'm in the thick of it with five other 390 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: questions like why wouldn't I want someone having my back. 391 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: It's just a lovely thing to have. It's not about 392 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: ego or power being a no tour, there's no such thing. 393 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: First of all. But with John, we were cutting his 394 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: episode and I remember just being like this is such 395 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: a cool place to work, like being just truly grateful. 396 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: And I was like, I am happy to come in 397 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: here every day. And I was like he's like, yeah, 398 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: he's like there's not one person like that. You want 399 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: to like put your head down when you see them 400 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: walking down the hall. He's like, there's not one person 401 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: that I'm like avoid, like where you're like in high 402 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: school or your first job or something, or like that 403 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: person sucks. He's like, there's not one. There were over 404 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: a hundred people there and he couldn't come. And we, 405 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: by the way, we were totally gossiping, Like he could 406 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: have told me that there was no reason. There's no 407 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't tell this story if he actually 408 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: named somebody, like but like we were like, come on, 409 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: there's got to be somebody. Like everyone had their charm, 410 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, like everyone had the quirks, their piccadillos. Greg 411 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: could drive me crazy and I would talk to him 412 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: about it. But like that's crazy right there, Like the 413 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: show runner could drive me crazy, and then I could say, Greg, 414 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: you're driving me crazy. Like I remember on the finale, 415 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: there was this whole tangent and I'm sure you'll remember 416 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: this about planting a tree. Andy sees the tree in 417 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: the office and says that tree planty, Yes, exactly, Planty 418 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: has been in here all its life. We've got to 419 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: set Planty free. And you guys go out to the 420 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: parking lot, you plant planty and then you go all 421 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: the way back up to the office, and then the 422 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: ending and you hug, and then you go to the 423 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: parking lot and you go to your respective cars, and 424 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: that's truly the end of leaving dunder Mifflin and UM. 425 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: I was writing notes down and we were over time 426 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: for the finale and we were all Greg was incredibly emotional, 427 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: but doing that guy thing where you don't let on 428 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: that you're emotional, so you're just kind of weird, you know, 429 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: like where you're just like heretic and sometimes irrational, but 430 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: like what you really want to say is I'm really sad, 431 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: but you're not going to say those words because you're 432 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: a guy. So I was just taking out notes. We 433 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: were too long, and I had already pitched to cut Planty, 434 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: and I truly believed he said okay, while we tried 435 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: cutting Planty, and I wrote it down and I did 436 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: it and it was better because not because that whole 437 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: storyline wasn't interesting, but it was just almost just the 438 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: physicality of being in the office, having Creed play the 439 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: song and then taking Planting down to the parking lotning. 440 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: It was like a hiccup to something wonderful. You didn't 441 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: need that hiccup. It just it was just an unnecessary 442 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: extra beat. As sweet and poignant as it was, there 443 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: were already like ten sweet and poignant moments that were 444 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: happening with Creed Song, and too much poignancy diluted what 445 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: was there. So I cut planting and Howard happened to 446 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: be walking by, and I showed it to Howard, and 447 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: Greg's assistant Alyssa was also walking by, and I showed 448 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: it to her and they both separately went to Gregg 449 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: and said, oh my god, it's so much better without planting. 450 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: And he came storming into my bay and he said, 451 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: you put that back in? How dare you? I never 452 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: you're sabotaging me. You're trying to get And I was 453 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: like what he was at a hundred? I was like, 454 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: bring it down. I said, first of all, I would 455 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: never intentionally do something to sabotage you that. I was like, 456 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: if you don't know that about me by now, I 457 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: am just I am not that person. I'm just I 458 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: don't even think I could sabotage someone if I tried, 459 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: Like if that was my goal, I said, you created 460 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: this show. I am here to service what you created 461 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: and help you realize what you want. And he calmed down, 462 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: like he was like, so first let's get this paranoia 463 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: outs that they happened to be walking by, which was 464 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: true on both counts. They have maybe and that would 465 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: happen all the time. By the way, we would just 466 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: be wide by whether doors open, because it would get 467 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: in sufferably hot and interesting things that I would walk 468 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: by a people's bays and poke my head. And it 469 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: was just a very inclusive environment. When people are waiting 470 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: for their next scene and they were born of being 471 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: in their trailer, they'd come and show me something and 472 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't show me myself. It was like, hey, what 473 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: you got that's funny, show me a funny scene, Like 474 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: I just want to see what's going on in the show, 475 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: Like actors would come in all the time. So he said, okay, 476 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: we'll show me, and then I showed it to him 477 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, leave it out. But like it 478 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: was like I had to talk him off, alledge. I 479 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: think that's what makes him so interesting is he does 480 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: clearly have and I think it was for the better 481 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: ultimately for the show. This I don't want to say 482 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: inferiority complex, but this like someone's always going to try 483 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: to get one over on me kind of thing going on, 484 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: Like and you're just you almost have to, Like like 485 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: with every coworker and or boss, I think you kind 486 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: of have to just to really get to know their psychology. 487 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: And you're working with this, you know, pound really Greg Daniels, 488 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: who's so so so smart and so funny that like 489 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: to stand up to him require some hotspun your own, 490 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: and it's kind of empowering. And I always did it. 491 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: I didn't always, you know, I had confidence in what 492 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: he had created, so I wanted to make sure it 493 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: was the best version of what was written and acted. 494 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: And I'd make good arguments and then he'd make great 495 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: counter argument. We have a really good discourse to get 496 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: to lock. And I think that was also very unique 497 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: and special. You know, I always have Greg in my 498 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: head when I'm directing, because I heard his opinion on 499 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: everybody else's, you know, as an editor, I heard what 500 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: he thought of every director, and he thought the world 501 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: of many and then like sometimes he'd be like, how 502 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: could they not have gotten that? Like, and I always 503 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: in my mind, like let's just do one more, like 504 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: thinking like what didn't I get what would Greg be like, 505 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: how can they have gotten that? You know, I always 506 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: want to have that showrunner in the back of my 507 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: head saying and that showrunner's voice, because Greg was my 508 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: first is always Greg. You know, I don't think that 509 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: there's a single person who worked on the Office that 510 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: hasn't been forever changed by it. When we started, we 511 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: were all just trying to find our footing right and 512 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: then we created this beautiful thing together that we were 513 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: all so proud of. Here's Phillis on what it was 514 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: like when the day we were dreading finally came. You know, 515 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: when you you talked about when the show ended in 516 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: after the ninth season, that was a tough tough night, 517 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: especially when Creeds started singing. But for me, it was 518 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: really tough like months later after the show had ended 519 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: and we generally would go back to work around July 520 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: or August, that's when it set in that, oh, this 521 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: is life's different now, you know, we're not going back. Yeah. 522 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: When I sat down with Greg before that last season 523 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: or moving into the finale and we started talking about, 524 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, my life's journey at that point through the 525 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: Office and Kevin and my experience was um people feeling 526 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: like they knew me and specifically feeling like I was 527 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: the guy that they wanted to get a drink with, 528 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: and I would I said something to him like Greg, 529 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: I can't go into a bar without getting bought multiple drinks. 530 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: Like they just come to the point I say no, 531 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm good, No, thank you, no, I'm good. Now, I 532 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: gotta I gotta stop now. Guys, at least people that 533 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: call you Kevin you know that they know you from 534 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: this show. You me When people say Phyllis, I have 535 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: to think for a moment, Okay, do I have our 536 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: paths crossed for a moment, do I know you? Or 537 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: But in reality I do know them or they know 538 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: me because I've been in their bedroom, in their living room, 539 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: in their kitchen, and before they go to work and 540 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: as they go to sleep, and so we are a 541 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: part of our fans lives, you know, absolutely, But at 542 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: least you can decipher yours a little better with Kevin 543 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: and Brian, That's true. I've never thought about that before 544 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: Phyllis or Creed or Oscar or Angela yea, and especially 545 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: if they say, oh I saw you, and I'm thinking, okay, now, 546 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: did I you know did I go to school with 547 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: them or what? Right? That's actually the most difficult. Well, 548 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: I have two difficult fan interactions. One is I'll be 549 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: at a at a serious place of business, like like 550 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: in a thing, and I'm meeting someone. Or I have 551 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: a good friend who's introducing me to a good friend 552 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: who says like, oh, we've met before, right, And I 553 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: immediately go, no, I know we haven't, And I know 554 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: why you think that we've met before. But then to 555 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: say that, you become like, I don't know, You're like, 556 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, I was on a television show, you know, like, 557 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: so this is an actual thing, you guys. I don't 558 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: know if it's fiction blurring with reality or what. But 559 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people confuse us for their real life friends. 560 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying we should we shouldn't be friends, 561 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: or we wouldn't be friends. I'm just saying that I 562 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: have never met you before. When I talked to John, 563 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: he had some really great insight as to why this 564 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: phenomenon continues to take place. You obviously wildly successful. When 565 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: people approach you, Now, what percentage of it is about 566 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: the office? Oh? Large majority. Again, I think it's the 567 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: difference between fans who feel like they're a part of 568 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: something and fans who have watched something. I think there's 569 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: very few things that I watched when I was a 570 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: kid that I felt so connected to. It was more like, oh, 571 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: I like the movie ET, But there were very few 572 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: things that I felt like, if I ever saw that person, 573 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: we shared a life moment together. Had I ever met 574 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: Chris Farley, I would have said that because I watched 575 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: Tommy Boy so many times that he didn't know he 576 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: was my best friend, but he was my best friend. 577 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: So I think that thing is like I shared so 578 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: much in my life with that show. That's why I 579 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: think that people, you know, people have seen other things, 580 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: which is great. Certainly recently, like I think quiet place 581 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: in Jack Ryan, people are coming up a lot more. 582 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: But I think our fans see me and instead of 583 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: going up to an actor to get a picture or something, 584 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: they're actually seeing a friend of theirs. Is my point, 585 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: My long meandering point is no one looks at Jack Ryan. 586 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, my buddy, Jack Ryan, 587 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're an actor. I didn't realize they 588 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: do think that with Jim and I've had. My favorite 589 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: experiences with fans is when they think we've gone to 590 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: school together or something that's my favorite. Like I had 591 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: one where a woman said we know each other and 592 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: I said do we? And she goes, we went to 593 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: school together and I was like, I don't. I don't 594 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: think we did, and she went, yes, we did. And 595 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: it was like that thing of like why am I 596 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: being awkward about it? And where did you go to school? 597 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: And she said some school and I went, I did 598 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: not go to that school and she went, yes, you did, 599 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: and like I was like okay, and then I left 600 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: and I could see that either someone else has been 601 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: like you don't know that person, You just thought that 602 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: it was at the Airport bookshop, and then through the 603 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: window you saw them being like silence, being like, oh no, 604 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: god it was. But I think that that's such a 605 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: credit to the show that you don't just like the show, 606 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: you actually think you know those people. Yes, because I 607 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: I By the way, I'm not necessarily comparing you to 608 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: Ted dancing in exactly the same way, No, but I 609 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: just mean like Ted Danson was doing a lot of 610 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: stuff and immediately after Cheers, but there was something about 611 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: Cheers Sam alone that everything else not even that other 612 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: things wouldn't have been as good or better. But Cheers 613 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: was what I shared because there was a purity to 614 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: that experience that you had watched the same with me. 615 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: I mean I was. I grew up in Boston, like 616 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: Cheers was a form of like television, religion or something. Yeah, 617 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: I will take a comparison to ted dancing anytime. Then 618 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: I won't do that again. God damn it. Here, put 619 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: on these airphones. I want you to hear something. I'm 620 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: playing something for everybody. Boy. Um, we should have had 621 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: these on the whole time. I would have. I would 622 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: have changed my voice. Um, don't ever ever when I 623 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: have a earphones on and I have your tone right 624 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 1: in my ear, don't talk low like that. My voice 625 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: slips and nope, I just would have slips around. I 626 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: don't like that in my heard. I don't like your 627 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: voice slipping around in my ear. Um, we play clip 628 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: six for me, Clip six. I thought it was weird 629 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: when you picked us to make a documentary, But all 630 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: in all, I think an ordinary paper company like dunder 631 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: Mifflin was a great subject for a documentary. There's a 632 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: lot of beauty and ordinary things. Isn't that kind of 633 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: the point. So Gregg wrote that clearly for him that 634 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: was the point. What did you think the point was 635 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: the point of what shooting the show? The show? Yeah? Sorry, 636 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: my brain just exploded again. Um. I think that that 637 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: is so beautiful, that writing, and I would only suspect 638 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: that it came from someone who created the show, because 639 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: someone who creates the show and doesn't just act on 640 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: the show would have to have in their head a beginning, middle, 641 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: and end. And you're shooting for something, and I love 642 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: that that's what he was shooting for. What are you 643 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: most thankful for? Oh my god, everything? I mean, are 644 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: you asking me as a person? Well, I mean, without 645 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: sounding hyperball, it's it is my everything. I mean, that 646 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: show changed my entire life. Was twenty three when it started, 647 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: so I hadn't even really formed an identity of who 648 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: I was. And so that show, not only from a 649 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: career perspective, where I've had more opportunity than I ever 650 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: would have dreamt of having for one day, I have 651 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 1: for an entire lifetime, is all due to that show. 652 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: I never would be doing any other or thing that 653 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: you've seen me do, writing, directing, acting, and something else 654 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: if it wasn't for that show. But as a person, 655 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,919 Speaker 1: I think it sort of gave me this very quintessential 656 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: building block that I got to stand on to build 657 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: the rest of my life. Yeah, you're you're about to say, 658 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: that's all crack of ship. Know what? What? What? What 659 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: would you say? I think it's very similar. I think 660 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: I was processing what you were saying that because of 661 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: the people who were working on it, not just the actors, 662 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: but the writers who are like all showrunners now from 663 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 1: the early season, you know, shore extremely successful, fun good shows. 664 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: It's but also our crew. Like you said, like you 665 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: know again in a very probably lame, cliche hallmark way, 666 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: like I don't know that as a person I would 667 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: be able to have the luxury forget you know, success 668 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: or finance or anything. It's the luxury of being who 669 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to be. I didn't know who I wanted 670 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: to be. And because of such a warm environment where 671 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: if everyone had a color, people were splashing their experience 672 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: and their colors all over me, I got exposed to 673 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: everything I wanted to be and then got to choose 674 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: to move forward with my life in a way that 675 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: I not only didn't know existed, but that I could sustain. 676 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: Like that you could you could do fantastic, fun stuff 677 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: every day for ten years of your life. And genuinely 678 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: I've been asked. I'm sure you get asked all the time, 679 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: what year were you guys all over it? Like? When 680 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: were you guys like we're over it? And I genuinely 681 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: am trying not to look back with revisionist history. I 682 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,919 Speaker 1: don't remember one moment where I was like, such a job, 683 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: that's just such a yeah, as far as jobs go, John, 684 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: You're right, you can't beat it. And maybe that's obvious 685 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: by now as I've spent the last couple of years 686 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: putting together this love story to the office, but thinking 687 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: back on the very end, our last moments working together 688 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: as one big, happy family, there's no better way to 689 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: bring me right back to that place the moment the 690 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: show was ending. Then to listen to Creed Bratton sing 691 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: All the Faces before the finale? Did you have a 692 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: conversation with Greg? Yes? Yes, he he called me and 693 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: you know he'd asked everybody. He said, I want to 694 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: know what your your feedback is, how do you think 695 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: the character Creed should leave? And I told him I 696 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: thought it well, and I said, I think this is 697 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: this song of mine, All the faces I could be 698 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: at poor Richards playing my guitar. You guys, the cast 699 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: all walks in and I'm singing all the faces and 700 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 1: the camera comes in on each of you, and he said, 701 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: I like that idea. That's the last I heard of 702 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: it until the table read. And then I saw at 703 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: that time and I almost cried, I literally and Brian, 704 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: I went, oh my god. Looked around. There was my guitar. 705 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was going to sing that song 706 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: until the table read. That was the first time I 707 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: heard about it. They kept they kept it, They kept 708 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: it just as a surprise. It was emotional. Wait they 709 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,800 Speaker 1: they had your guitar. Yeah, now, the the p A 710 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: went and got my guitar and had it there. And 711 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: I looked around like this, and I went and I 712 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: see reading the scripting, but oh my god, I'm gonna 713 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: sing this song. And what there is gregs letting me 714 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: sing my song. And look around they're they're all they're 715 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: standing bick they're smiling, and they got my guitar. They 716 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: planned this, you know, we play. Will you play a 717 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: little bit for me? All right? Okay, I gotta tear 718 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: my phone on just for second, guys to uh tune 719 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: up this acts this is the guitar I used actually 720 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: on the on the show. This this old Martin and John. 721 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: It's a good story. John. We couldn't get the microphone 722 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 1: on the think and then the shot so Krazinski said, 723 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: he hold this the shotgun. He had it under his 724 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: arm when we were recording. You couldn't hide him, mind, 725 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't hide the mic for the guitar itself. And 726 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: then John said, well, I'll just hold the shotgun mic 727 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: under my arm because he was the closest. He was 728 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: the closest to me, and and he was sitting there 729 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: talking to looking over Pampit all the time. He's holding 730 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: him right there on the sound hole. He's a team player, 731 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: right boy? We know that all right for you. I 732 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: saw a friend to day. It had been a while 733 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: and we forgot each other's name, but it didn't matter, 734 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: because deep inside feelings do of re means. We talked 735 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: of knowing one before you've met, how you feel more 736 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: than you see, and other worlds that lie spaces in 737 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: between angels. We can see all the faces that I 738 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: know have that same familiar glue. I think I must 739 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: have known them somewhere once. Beefful. All the faces that 740 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: I know, and all the faces were seeking chen airvery day. 741 00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: When we get home at night, there's one face, sweety. 742 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,720 Speaker 1: And when my mind's absorbed on my private little screen 743 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: and I'm walking, climbing through a sea of unknown men, 744 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,720 Speaker 1: I hear a voice reminded they're across the street, walks 745 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 1: an old forgotten friends. We don't have to say a word. 746 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: It's really better left unsaid, just light through as that 747 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: recognize all the faces, all the faces I know, And 748 00:46:52,120 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: while the faces we see each in air day, when 749 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 1: we get home at night, there's one face we knee 750 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: all the faces I see eachin every day when I 751 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:27,879 Speaker 1: get home at night, face I need when I get 752 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 1: home at night, You're the only face I need. So great, 753 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: there we go, so great, dude, Yeah it um, Yeah, 754 00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: it gets me every time. Wow, it gets me every 755 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: single time. Thank you Creed, Thank you everyone for being 756 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: a part of this beautiful podcast. It is meant more 757 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: to be than you will ever know. Thanks for tuning 758 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,399 Speaker 1: in once again, and come back next week to hear 759 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 1: from perhaps my most special guest of all you. I'll 760 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: see you that the office. Deep Dive is hosted and 761 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:51,320 Speaker 1: executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner alongside our executive producer Langley. 762 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer. Our producers are Liz 763 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: Hayes and Diego Tapia. My main man in the booth 764 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,280 Speaker 1: is Alec More. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed 765 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: by my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was 766 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: mixed by Seth O'landscape