WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part Four (Wednesday) 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.920 Also media, someone through a portal to the podcast to 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.480 mention I am ed Zitron and this is better Offlines 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:24.279 coverage of the Consumer Electronic Show. It's goddamn Wednesday, and 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.480 we're here at the goddamn Palazzo Hotel and beautiful Las Vegas, 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.040 Nevada all week with an open bar, tacos and the 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.199 comfy place to relax. Reporters covering the largest and I 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.280 don't know, most offensive technology show in the world, i'd say, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.360 And we're here all week with two episodes today and 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.720 we've got an all star cast bring you the best 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.960 and well mostly the worst from the show floors at 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.360 the Las Vegas Convention and Venetian Expost centers. And my 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.239 first contestants are joining me on nice and damp from 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.600 the show floor. That was actually in the notes before that. Chloe, 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.639 I apologize. I've got just. 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.560 Filled half a can of liquid death all over myself. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:01.240 In this I bought an entire can over this tape yesterday. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.200 It like exploded because it froze. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:08.759 Anyway, mister Longuso Junior and Junior Jesus Christ, I'm keeping going. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.000 Thank you for joining me. Take Bubble newsletter of course. 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:12.920 Thank you thank you, happy to be here, and you've 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.880 got a star of Is this thing on Chloe Radcliffe? Yes, 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.080 comedian as well, that's right all this intro and Cole 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.440 stand up comedian host of the Factually podcast Adam. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.240 Connove, Hello, thank you for having me. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.880 So it sounds like you've all been on the convention 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.399 flaws and based on the little I've heard, real bang 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.280 of day, Chloe, you got some free stuff. 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.880 The very first booth that I walked into was a 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.880 dongle that basically makes you be able to air drop 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:41.920 between Mac and PC things. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.080 Huh and I do. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.800 Yeah, super useful and it's like adorable. I truly was 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.640 magneted over because I was like, the word dongle is 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.200 really funny and I wonder if I can make some 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:51.880 jokes out of that. And then I saw it and 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.920 was like, oh, this actually kind of rocks, and uh, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.880 I have I feel like an asshole saying I have 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.280 an assistant, but I have an assistant and she uses 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.880 a PC laptop but a MAC phone, And I was like, oh, 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.520 I think I would like to buy this for her 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.120 as a gift. Yeah, And so I was asking about 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.160 the price and they said they were like, oh, well, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.400 we'd love to send you some free product. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:12.959 Let me send them, let me take a photo of 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:13.640 your badge whatever. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.880 And truly my eyes like popped out of my skull, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.960 went cash dollars rolling through my eyes, and I was like. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.200 I can get free things. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:25.000 The corner is on. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.600 Yeah, And so then I started trying to go over 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.760 and like like show interest in things that I might want, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.919 and most of them did not involve for it. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.679 Just walking up to the eighty seven inch TV you want? 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.960 Yeah, Wow, that's so nice. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:45.200 I love that, just kicking, just looking eyes with them. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:45.840 I love this. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.200 Give it to me, my my badge, says digital content creator. 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.160 That's what you want, right, you want me to create 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.800 digital content about your four thousand dollars TV. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:55.280 Right? 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:56.399 You like this? You pick? 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:58.600 Give it to me. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:03.040 So aside people not giving you stuff for free, anything interesting. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.440 Uh, there was. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.240 Well, so I really got gummed down. I spent too 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.040 much time on the accessories. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:14.080 They were great. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.120 There was one actually a booth that was had a 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:23.560 super useful like travel uh a wireless charger that like 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.920 flips out. It looks like a like a makeup compact actually, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.959 and there's a wireless charger for your phone, and a 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.400 wireless charger for your AirPods and a little baby one 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:33.519 for your Apple Watch. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.320 Right, And I. 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.520 Don't use those three things, but my boyfriend does. And 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.920 so I was, oh, fuck Christmas presents. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:40.520 This is awesome. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:42.720 Great, I'm just starting to make Christmas presents list on 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.240 the CEES floor, which actually seems like the best possible. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.840 Yeah, that that is what it should be. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.760 You should walk around and go, oh, stocking stuffers, little 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:59.240 googaws that will make Grammy happy. Yeah, like consumer Electronics expo. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.720 Yeah, yeah, it is for it is at a retail 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:05.800 level for the consumers, me and my family. And but 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.360 then at that same booth where I was, so I 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.800 was like really owed by this, the little flip open 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.320 k Wiler sharger. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:12.760 And then a guy. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.480 The guy was walking me around and he was showing 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.920 me the other things that they have whatever whatever, other 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.760 char power blocks and charging. And then another guy at 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.680 that same booth came up and there's I have a 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.840 photo of it, but it's probably not worth showing. They 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.560 have a little set of power banks in the back 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.760 that's like pastel colors. And I didn't look at that 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.840 and go, oh power banks for girls. I didn't gotta 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:37.719 say that thought never crossed my mind. I just thought, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.560 a power bank that's pink as I do, and light 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.520 green whatever, very progressive, and it looks kind of like 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.120 a makeup bottle, like it's like one color on like 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.479 for two thirds of it, and then it kind of 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.120 looks like it might have a clear glass top. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:51.520 It's not. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.159 It's just a power bank. But I again, this is 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.080 not a thought that I had. But the second guy 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.080 walks up and he goes, it looks like a foundation, 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.240 clearly with the tone of like, you're a lady, you 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:01.920 will like that. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.120 Now there's a guy who knows makeup. Yes, it looks 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.640 like conquila. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:11.200 He worked for the product. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:12.960 He worked for the company. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.640 For the company, yeah, I And I went, oh, yeah, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.120 it looks like a foundation, and he like doubled down 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.560 on it and he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, so 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:23.239 I think you'd like it. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:23.920 It looks like a foundation. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.120 And I went, oh, so these are for these are 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.920 the power banks for girls, and he went yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:29.679 they're for girls. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:31.200 And I think the first guy. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.920 Who I was talking to you understood that I hated 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.800 what was going on, like that I was having fun 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.839 and sort of mocking the whole thing, but he couldn't 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.599 step in and stop it, and the guy who I 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.640 was mocking fully did not track what was going on. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:43.600 I love that. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.120 I love that there's still like it's like nineteen ninety 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.359 five and like, what if computer for woman? Yes, woman, 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.800 they're using this thing now, the birds truly. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.920 I he kept doubling down and tripling down so hard 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.160 on it that I eventually pointed, we're still standing in 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.279 front of power banks for girls, and I pointed to 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.200 one on the end that it was black, and I went, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.719 see this one, I go, what is that? 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.360 No dog? 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.279 I literally hit my forehead with them. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.840 But this one, I go, that makes me happy. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.360 The first guys like humiliated. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.600 I was like, I'm sorry, but your coworker is really 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:20.440 fucking annoying. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.080 That's so good. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:23.880 I love that. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.200 I love that they're still doing shit like that. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:27.240 It was crazy. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.840 I mean, it reminds me of when I purchased in 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:35.920 twenty thirteen a twenty ten used Prius Prius the Prius 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.839 dealership and the guy is driving around me and my 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.080 girlfriend at the time, and she's in the back. I'm 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.400 the one purchasing the car. But he turns to her 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.159 and he goes. So Toyota actually pulled a thousand women 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.720 on what they would like in the car and so 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.719 there's a place to put your purse right here, like 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.880 under the console. And she hated that so much she 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:58.240 talked about that for ten years. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:01.800 Don't look at her and say. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.400 We've we asked your kind. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.960 We lost one thousand woman and that is it. We 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.080 no more, no need to do. It's just I don't know, 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.040 without without being too preach about It's like it's twenty 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:16.280 twenty five at this point. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.640 It's like pink is for girls, blackest for boys. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.840 Yeah, this will fit in your handbag, which you don't 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:22.640 appear to have. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.200 All of this shit fits in my head. It's all 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.080 very small. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.240 Yeah, it's like like were the go Ones smaller and 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.680 thinner or they just colors they were it was just 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:33.560 pink and purple. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.920 And see they gotta go. They gotta go further than 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.280 that when they make it like super girly. Like I 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.480 went to the Razor booth and they had this is 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.280 an old product, but they had the headphones with the caddiers. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.520 Yeah that's I feel like that's not so bad because 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.280 that's like, you know, if you're super if you're like 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.280 a fucking egirl twitch streamer and you like you your 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.080 whole you know, streamer room is hello, kitty shit right. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:55.360 You know. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.000 It's like I would say, I would say that headphones 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.760 with caddiers is the third gender. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:04.880 Artistic. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.200 I would love these guys could be like. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.560 Hey, it's like my. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:13.840 Headphones are the exact ones. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.160 I looked, and I looked for hours and hours and hours, 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:17.840 and I tried several of them, and I talked to 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.960 multiple friends and then I found the perfect one and 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.920 they weren't perfect, so I returned them and tried another 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.000 one and then they were perfect. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.400 Yeah, that's the fourth gender. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:26.560 Just diagnosed. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.360 I'm fresh. I'm fresh to listeners, the listeners who have 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.720 been trying to diagnose me for two years, Like finally, 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.720 I mean, I'm finally edified. 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.800 Yeah, oh god, So okay. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.240 I just want a vendor to look at me and 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.880 be like, you know, plays a little wrap. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:59.400 You know, this goes in your sneakers, sneakers you into 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.000 those oh god. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.720 Instead, when I roll up, they look me up and down, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.840 they see the press card, and then they immediately direct 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.840 their press person over like uh, they're a bodyguard. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.679 And forced. Well if I asked, like two questions, but 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:15.719 how does this work, They're like. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.959 Oh, yeah, he'll tell you, He'll tell you money. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:20.640 Here they did. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:25.400 Yeah, it's so set again, it's twenty twenty five in 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.400 this to like, whoa okay, one of you guys. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:34.560 My goal has basketball, Yeah, that I gotta find. I'm 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.360 gonna find someone to riff with. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.000 my goal in this this convention. Not to find a 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.120 product I like, but someone who someone who won't be 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:43.160 a little scared. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.520 Yeah, will be too scared. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.719 Oh yeah, actually will get nervous. Someone's just like I 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.319 don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I've never I've meant 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:54.079 tons of people like you. Yeah, but wait, what did 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:54.679 you see today? 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.000 What anything funny? 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.320 I mean, it was nothing interesting. I circled back. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.360 To nothing, a really funny review. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.439 Of another good tech line for the show. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.040 Nothing that's really interesting. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.440 I circled back to a lot of the age tech 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.240 and kind of AI health companion stuff because I was 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.240 interested in seeing, Okay, maybe if I have a little 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:18.760 bit more of a conversation with them and then get 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.920 them to explain what the agent part means, or to 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.400 explain that use cases I may find something interesting, but 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.079 it was just more of the same. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:26.520 Uh. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.960 You know, there's one firm I circled back to, like 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.800 I think their name is ali Q that is really 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:41.720 really big on elderly companions, right, and trying to have 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:46.280 something that your grandparents can talk to that may or 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.040 may not cause like chatbot psychosis if they spend a 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.960 lot of time talking. 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.320 To be is it like a thing on the computer. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.200 It is just like a big old kind of looking 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.760 like an ORB, like a big old like a big ORB, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.560 and some sensors around it and the pad that you 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:06.760 get to talk to and type in. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.079 Grandma loves to commune with the or. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.280 You know. Yeah, like your old granny told me, was 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:17.479 God your friends. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:17.840 In the computer? 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.959 You know, I'm never alone now that I have my 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:24.920 So you have to log in. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:26.720 To talk to someone. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:27.760 Essentially you're going to work. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.320 You got to sit at your desk and be like, hello, 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.040 are you doing all? There's a person at the end 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.640 of a chat. But it's a chatbot. That's so sad. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:35.880 And this chatbot is supposed to interface to the outer world, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:42.240 trained on old people speak like what. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:49.800 It says the YouTube the TV TV volume max. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:52.599 It has the same conversation. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.040 It is too cold in here. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:55.000 It's also I do. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:56.719 Agree that young people don't work enough. 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.000 So instead of push notifications or you know, it basically 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.719 has push and notifications that are like, let's start a conversation. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.200 So you'll be doing your thing and be like, hey, 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:10.400 I want to talk to you. Technology to harass your bread. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.280 No literally, I know so many grandparents who would take 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:15.240 that out back and. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:15.800 Hit it with us. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.120 Can you imagine all they want is not to be bothered. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:21.920 Yeah, I'm just imagining. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.680 My My grandfather passed like twenty years ago, even like 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.079 way before URMs, just imagining Ken. He was a sign 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:32.040 pat in Dorset and born and trit catch Bob made England, 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:33.400 and he would have just he would have beat the 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:34.079 funk out of. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:34.840 This one minute. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.280 He would be like touching that, I'm not touching and 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.080 beat it with a stick. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:41.320 He would have loved that. 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.800 Actually they sent the machines to watch us. Oh, I 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.719 don't even say. He'd just be like offended by an 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:46.880 orb he has to talk to. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.200 So if we wanted to go down the pub. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.479 Did you guys see the booth for for tom Bought Incorporated. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.679 I saw it from afar and it looked so terrifying 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:57.000 and I. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.640 Didn't like a little dog puppet and it's booth is 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.320 like a living room and it's got framed photos of 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.200 the dog puppet and a and like a what is 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.280 a sampler sort of cross stitch thing that says a 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.880 pet for people who can't have pets, okay, And then 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:14.880 there's like a lady dressed up like a granny and 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.920 she's holding the puppet. I didn't really see what it does. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.440 Presumably it's just like an AI dog. It's just it's 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.040 just a sad guy just sort of. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.240 Sitting there was a natural fellow. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.040 There's like a fella sitting in there. He's like, a yeah, 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:27.960 he looks like he's bummed out. He's just sort of 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.280 sitting there like zone. It like dissociating, petting the dog 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.640 and settied up and like it could be it could 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.080 be useful, but it's also like it's such a bummer 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:44.800 just to be like this is for it's very elderly 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:46.280 people who've lost their ability. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.360 And I'm like fifty to fifty on those because I 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.760 can kind of see like there's it's been proven that's helpful. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.079 I've heard good things but the time just like you're 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.480 too you're too old or sick to take care of 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:56.920 an animal. 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.040 It's great, like seeing a whole booth of that. And 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:00.040 then the guy they paid to. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:04.400 Just sit their old day. Yeah bad, Yeah, you look depressed. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.720 You feel bad for the demo. You're watching the demo 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.800 and you're like, oh, it's too bad that this guy 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.160 has to sit there and put that fake dog. He 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.640 doesn't look happy about it, whereas when people are with 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.080 a real dog they're so happy. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.880 That's such a good point. Surely he would want to 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.040 be like, hell, yeah I have Oh I love my dad. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:20.840 This dog is okay. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.960 He's like, no, just to wait waiting here until the 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:23.960 sun holds me in a week. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.600 I've seen the studies that you're talking about. They're also 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.160 true of plants. Like when you give plants in like 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.080 the nursing home, they give them plan they bring like 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.360 kiddies in. Like it's not it's not a particularly unsolved problem. Look, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.920 we do need more technology for old people. I've always 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.840 thought like the Wii was such a hit for old people, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.120 and then there's been no Wi since. I think that's 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:48.600 a tragedy of technology that like there's countless senior homes 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.520 that are still using their Wi from like two thousand 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.920 and seven to play we golf, because there's never been 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.120 anything like that. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.040 Is quite did we go out of business? 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.000 Nintendo is still in business. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.360 Yeah, they're still made up. They occasionally make a game 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.360 like that. But though WI was like this moment where 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.640 they developed a new way to control a video game 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.480 and a game that was very simple and resembled games 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.840 people already knew, and it was like this perfect thing 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.080 that people had never played a video game, especially elderly 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.960 people to like figure it out. And then it just 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.360 sort of wasn't popular enough among the core gaming audience 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.840 and they stopped making that type of game. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.200 It was also tough to develop for as well, and 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.840 it was really expensive. The controllers were weird. You have 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.800 to have like a weird bower above. You think it 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.640 was just like a lovely idea that just would not scale. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.360 Ever, you think you think not. I think maybe it 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.480 needed a different company to make. I think about this 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:37.920 a lot. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.080 Kind of done it with the switch, with the control, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.760 with the controls, it's not the same. 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.400 Yeah, but you're saying a company that's not motivated by 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.600 the youth gaming sector. Yeah, company that like doesn't doesn't 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.080 need to win the most billions of dollars, that like 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:54.000 could operate at. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.000 A sea I guess literally a company that's like trying 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.200 to get contracts with with senior homes. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.440 Yeah, my favor. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:03.160 Schools. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:04.840 I feel like at this point kids want things that 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.600 feel digital but don't absolutely melt their brain. 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.480 The thing is, though, like the I think we're describing 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.960 the problem of the modern state of capitalism where it's like, oh, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.520 a company doesn't need to grow forever. I'm never gonna 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.960 fund that bullshit. Are you're gonna make consistent money? 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:19.320 Fuck you? 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.000 I will say I did find a weird one where 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.840 it was just one of these one of nine hundred 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.400 different companions. It was just these horrible little things wheeling around. 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.360 Like Teddy Tubby's. But what was interesting was someone. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.560 Had a dog, like a leaving dog, and he was 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:38.160 just going fucking batshit and I was like, this fucking rocks. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.760 And then someone went and picked up the dog. If 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.040 they just had a booth, when I had a dog 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.360 going nuts on these things booth where a dog gets 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.880 to destroy a row, I would pay. I would pay 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.800 to watch like a large like even like a small 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.360 dog would be funny, but like a the one that 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.360 can climb walls, like a giant dog just ripping up 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.360 home how much would you Yeah, like a malamute just 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.000 fucking up like any of these robots would be sick. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:06.240 I feel like we need So there's the Edinburgh Festival, 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.479 which is in Edinburgh, Scotland, and it's a big performing 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.480 arts festival. And then there is the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.280 which grew up as a like people who were rejected 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.040 from the core Edinburgh Festival and now the Fringe has 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.440 become bigger and it's it's the biggest performing arts festival 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.720 in the world and it's the third biggest ticketed event 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.520 after the Olympics and the World Cup, and it's crazy whatever. Yeah, 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.120 I feel like we need a CEES fringe that can 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.000 grow where we can have booths like a dog attacks 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:34.680 a robot. 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.320 That's actually a really good idea. Is there like a 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.199 counter programming like punk art festival that happens at the 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.240 same time as CEES that's. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.159 Like freaks, you know, that's what we're doing. We're going 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.840 to stop better offline fester. It's like bring your ship 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.400 for the dogs. We've hired to destroy and we will 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.120 look but we want we're pro lab, so we will 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.240 pay guys to sit around looking depressed on everything. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:58.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.320 A guy staring at into the distance with gimme shelter playing. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.080 It's gonna be a guy who works for one of 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.600 the companies that have a booth at the real sea, Yes, 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.480 who then sits and looks sad as we watch as 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:10.879 he watches his stuff get destroyed. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.119 I saw another robot that was just this. It was 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.119 on the conveyor belts and it had big arms and 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.760 it was like home. It was like home patrol, elderly care, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.800 laundry folding. And I just walked up like can I 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.119 see any of this? And they went no. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.440 I was like, okay, but does it do it? It will? 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.000 I just stared right, but what does it do? 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.160 Now? Well it's there. I'm like, yeah, I got that part. 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.480 And just it has happened a lot. I mean, you 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.919 were talking about brisket, this fucking AI agent cooking thing, yes, 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:41.520 and it's just like you look at it and you're like, 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.320 AI Agent, Oh it can order food. Well, doesn't sound 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.880 like it can. No, they haven't figured that part out yet, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.720 and what is the AI agent part. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.679 Well, that wasn't clear either because it wasn't working. Oh okay, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.200 it it seems like there's just a chat bot that 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.359 has a there's a camera inside so it can like 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:00.280 take pictures of. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:01.840 Your food and be like, oh, you like to eat this, 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.439 I've seen that. Yeah, no, there are so many one 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:05.960 of them food. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.679 Yes, yeah, you know you into this, yeah, you like. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.320 And it was fun because at first it was pitched 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.119 just like, oh, this will like prepare the food and 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.920 cook it for you, and then as you ask questions, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.480 it's like, oh no, it's like you have to you 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:24.119 still you do everything? You still doing nothing. It was 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:25.520 just it was a pellet smoke. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:26.000 It wasn't that. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.560 Yeah, that's pretty much it, you know. But they're spinning 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.479 it as because they have other products, and that's when 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.000 they're like, oh, we have a grill that's also an 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.359 AI yeah, yeah agent grill, and we have you know, 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.520 any sort. We have a microwave that we're worked on. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.359 So all of it is basically like we just have 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.119 a sensor inside that gets dated on what you like 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.680 to eat, and then we'll order some of the components 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.280 and then we will figure out a way to charge 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.320 you extra for that delivery Sertax and it's just a 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.800 chat GPT wrapper yes, yeah. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.399 Blue Apron plus an AI, which which we kind of 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:55.840 already have. 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:56.479 We have Tavala. 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.760 We have like nineteen different Instagram services that the Instagram 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.640 ats that talk at me a week and probably five 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:04.000 times more. 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:08.040 Yeah, because it also has a giant fucking screen on it. 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.439 Grilling is like you can just go and buy a 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.879 ship toss like what like a poke shoulder and just 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:15.240 throw it in with some seasoning. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:18.200 And it's like, you don't need the computer to tell you. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:19.479 I don't need the computer. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.960 I don't Who are these. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.200 People who are like every day is just confusing to them? 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.199 I'm just fucking what do I eat? What do I do? 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.119 Throw the food in there? Oh god, I don't remember 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.720 the things I like to eat. I don't have tastes. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:39.000 These companies have not thought about, like even before, they're 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:40.800 all trying to solve the food problem, like the meal 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.359 delivery kit companies, and none of it sticks. People do 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.080 meal delivery kits for like a couple of months and 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.200 they stop. Is because eating is a solved problem. There's 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.920 like there's three kinds of people there's people who buy 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.679 frozen shit and heat it up or they boil hot dogs. 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.680 There's people who only eat takeout, and there's people who 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.000 enjoy cooking. Those are the and all of them already 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:05.600 have something. So people who hate cooking aren't gonna like 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.879 cooking because of the expensive shit that you sold them 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.920 to try to trick them into what cook for them, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.200 sort of cooks for them or does it badly, or 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.600 send them shit in the mail. They don't fucking want 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.120 to cook at all, and they want to eat McDonald's 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.280 or they want to heat up a factor meal in 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:22.960 the microwave. 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:23.360 Yeah. 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.440 And the thing is, I don't judge anyone who does 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.439 the meal kit stuff. I did it fine, especially when 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:29.400 you're trying to lose ways, it's fine, but it's also 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.960 like like it's steal a lot, like a decent amount 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:34.440 of efforts you have to select and it's like you 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:35.480 kind of like you heat them. 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:36.480 I did it for a while. 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.879 Did you enjoy throwing out five hundred small plastic bags? 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.280 Yeah? And also like if you fall behind on them 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.480 or travel or just have a stack of the fuckers, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.760 and that's when you cancel the moment you have a 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.000 stack and I've still got some of them somehow. And 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.520 it's just I read the documentation for the Briskit that 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:59.560 I don't fucking care the brisk it, the brisk kit. 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.000 If it's called like the brisk It, I'd kind of laugh, 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.600 but like it's just like but I read it, and 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.320 it was like the little fake demo they had on 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.080 the leaflet that was like, what I want to eat this. 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.119 I want to limit myself to eighteen hundred calories and 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:14.679 I want to leave these foods out. It's just like, 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.959 all right, no one exists in this manner. Yeah, no 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:20.879 one is doing this, No one's going to use it 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.080 in this way. No one who is buying a I 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.720 assume thousand plus dollar grill is going to be like, yeah, okay, 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.760 a chatbot to finally tell me, if you're discerning enough 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.160 to like pick a grill that costs that much money, 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:36.280 you probably put more thought into cooking than just I 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.080 want to spend a thousand dollars for a cooker. That 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.280 would just too much to do. When you ask them 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:44.359 where the labor saving thing is, because they insist this 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.919 will save you time inconvenience, They describe a process that 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.440 is like longer than getting the food itself to end 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.760 cooking or meal planning your on your own. You know. 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.600 It's like you, I'm spending what half an hour you know, 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:00.840 getting this thing ready as through. 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:01.600 It, training it. 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:05.679 Yeah, and then it'll it'll kind of recommend things for 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:06.520 me that I still got to. 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.320 Go out by design andre you know. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.320 So it's like what's actual, what's actually which seems to 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:12.840 be a trend's actual point? 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.320 Like an in an earlier block we were talking or 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:20.120 an earlier episode, we were talking about, uh, the chatbot 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:21.879 that manages I think you were talking about this, the 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:23.520 chatbot that manages. 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:25.240 Your home. 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.320 The chatbot that's like you don't want to pick up 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.320 your kids from groceries or from daycare whatever. But it's 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.400 like you still yeah, yeah, yeah, and it like looks 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.119 at your Google calendar for you and whatever, except you 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.320 still have to look at your screen to read what 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:39.800 the chatbot is telling you. So you could also just 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:41.800 look at your screen to look at your Google calendar. Ye, 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:47.879 Like it's not fundamentally and and look, maybe the designers 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.479 of that chat agent would be like, no, no, this 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.639 combines the six apps that you have to have open. 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.560 Except the reason that six apps are open is because 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.359 I have to make a decision about concretely what happens 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.399 in my life do I go to this place or 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.680 this place first? And the chat pot can't fundamentally can't 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.560 make that decision for me. It doesn't have enough information. 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.560 It can't. All of the information is in my brain. 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:13.280 That's why you have to offload it into those Yeah, 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:14.920 and then then it can hallucinate. 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.800 Yes, I've been trying to write jokes about AI for 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.240 a while, but you know, Chloe has a comic when 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.320 someone has written a joke that's so good that you 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:24.800 can't write anything better, and it's like taking over your brain. 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.000 Very funny comic named Hayden Johnson who wrote a tweet 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:31.800 that was like, uh, every every AI ad is a 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.560 guy saying what should I eat? And the AI says sandwich? 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:43.240 And the guy is like, wow, it really is a sandwich. 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:44.679 I never thought whoa? 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.679 And that's actually I think genuinely a Gemini ad. It's like, 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:50.280 what am I going to eat? It's like if you 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.960 tried this ham Sam, It's like, if you act like that, 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:55.600 go to a doctor. 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.399 Yeah, because Gemini adds where it's like, hey, you know 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:00.520 you're in this book club you signed up for some 0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.359 reason and you didn't do the reading. What if you 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.600 faked it and told all your friends that you did 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:06.880 use us? But if you joined a book club where 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:08.560 you didn't read, Yeah. 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.560 It's just like you know, or like what if you 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:11.600 lie to your friends? 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:17.160 So yeah, yeah, right, we can help with that. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:21.240 It's very it's peculiar as well, because again, grilling, the 0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.200 whole thing is just throw some burgers on there and 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.280 you there, we are assumed with friends or like you're 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.199 throwing a big brisket and it takes eighteen hours and 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.320 you kind of look at it. It's very analog. Like 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:33.000 I have two giant smokers and they are mostly like 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.119 the best one I have is a big stainless steel 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:39.640 beast that's basically a temperature measurer, a hopper for pellets 0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:41.719 and then an auger to send him and sent them 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.880 on fire. It's not a computer. Adding computer to that 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.639 really wouldn't change much like I. 0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:48.520 Wouldn't Jane Roger. 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:52.080 But I think the confusing thing to me, I want 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:56.679 masculinity to be tied to analog. Miss again, right and 0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:00.760 right now, I think masculinity is tied to computer and 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:03.320 so it is interesting. I think in a lot. I 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:05.960 think there's a lot of like, Dad, you like this 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:07.840 grill because it has a computer in it. 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:08.080 Yeah. 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.560 Yeah, and it's like no, no, no, no, no, no no, Dad, 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:11.520 like plain grill. 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:12.960 Dad, Like this may. 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:17.080 Changing because that's that's Dad. But you know, there's like 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:20.960 the performative male archetype like TikTok thing, and that's all 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:26.719 wired headphones, reading, reading, belle hooks and paper form totally. 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.320 But I don't think I think that. 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:31.359 That is that's complicated because it's a stereotype created by 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.800 women about men. I was also gonna say not masculine. 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.480 So it's never mind, Adam, with greatest respect, I think 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:40.280 that your feed over represents how many performative men are 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:41.080 in the world. 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:43.879 So I think the whole performative male thing is is 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:45.880 nonsense bullshit as a meme. 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:46.280 I think. 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.479 I think it's really destructive and doesn't exist. 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.560 Yeah, I think masculine you should be tired to personal 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.200 responsibility and love for your friends and loved ones. Blest 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:56.399 person that is not computer, No, and it's not the 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.399 computer is no. I think the computer is innocent. The 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.359 people who the computer must be stopped. And this show 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:05.080 really is like I think I saw no less than 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.960 seventeen different companies that were like, yeah, we generate images, 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:11.960 you're a rapper. You're a rapper for a chat GPT. Oh, 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.560 we generate images and texts, so you use chat GPT 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.720 or claude. Yeah, we connect to your disparate documents and 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.400 we're allowed to summarize them. So chat GPT. And there 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.400 were so many of them. There were Hallway. I went 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.320 to Eureka Park because you can guess which is the 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:30.040 very sad small box area, mostly looking for funny names. 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:31.600 I'm not gonna lie I it was mostly just looking 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.840 for names that make me laugh. And it was just 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.440 so bizarre because what happens when all of this starts 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.479 getting more expensive, because it's all unprofitable, Just these companies 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:41.800 evaporate overnight. 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.840 And I will say, we're coming towards the end of 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:45.120 this block. 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.879 Whenevertheless, I will say Eureka Park felt and even the Expo, 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.480 the Venetian one felt smaller to me like previous years. 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.359 It felt a little more robust, and there was a 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.360 lot more like they would the countries, like the careers 0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.920 like Le France and all that cut center. Yeah, yeah, 0:27:59.920 --> 0:28:02.000 the I've got center of it was never above ground. 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.720 You put them in the in the basement where the 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:08.880 other countries apparently belonged with like the Social Security Administration 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.960 and the various scams. They were up top. They were 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.919 tops out security as a scam. No no, no, But 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.120 like I had a comma in that one. I promised, 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.520 but it was just thank you, Chloe. But it feels 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.320 like most of the show is just LM rappers now 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:27.440 and like we can laugh at that and goddamn will 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.159 We've got an hour and a half to cover. But 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:33.040 it's very worrying because before it was like, oh, there's 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.520 a bunch of Kickstarter shit, Indie Gogo shit. At least 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.720 there was money involved in products. This is like predominantly 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.760 companies that are using an API, and that's like, oh, 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.320 first of all, no differentiation, easily cloned by open ai, 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:49.000 but also just where's the fucking business, buddy, where is it? 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:50.720 Where's the product? 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.080 Oh that, don't worry it, There isn't one. It's just 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:56.320 other than the ones which are like, yeah, we have 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.400 a photonic sensor to put on the top of a 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.560 specific device. I fucking like all of those the industrial 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:03.760 ones where It's like, for a specific use case that 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:05.920 they to meet one of eleven people and they meet 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:06.480 all of them. 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.360 Those are cool, the rest not so much. 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:13.280 Yeah, I mean, the the what I wind up wondering 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:19.320 as a pure lay person is is the fact. So sorry, 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.520 let me let me sort of give you what I'm hearing. Yeah, 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:24.960 it sounds like, and I agree with this from my 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:28.240 experience on the floor, it sounds like some very high 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:32.400 preponderance of the offerings at CES this year are functionally 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.560 wrappers around an already developed AI tool. 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:39.360 Yes, right, there are some interface with chatchip. Right. 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:43.080 Whether whatever that interface may be an orbit, a pillow, 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.720 an app, or whatever it is, it is the technology 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.640 at the core of it is something that somebody else 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.400 has already made that we are all aware of. 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:50.680 Yes, So in that. 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.840 Case, if that preponderance is higher this year, is that 0:29:55.000 --> 0:30:01.440 because uh, there are like fewer problems to solve elsewhere, 0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.960 fewer like consumer problems to solve elsewhere that we've like 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.520 actually advanced so far in technology that without without these 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:13.160 rappers for these lms, they would be CS would be 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.400 way smaller. Or is it that everybody has gotten so 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:19.400 distracted by lms that everybody's gone, well, we can create 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.520 a new interface for this, a new kind of rapper 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:23.600 for it, and that they've actually like directed their creative 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.320 energies away from solving a lot of other consumer. 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:27.240 It's all of the above. 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.479 It's andals are approaching the end of the half and hour, 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.120 but I'll wrap this on this. What is is that 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.400 It's that venture capital is pretty much only like fifty 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.000 percent of venge capital went into AI this like last year. 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.080 It's god, there's twenty twenty six now. It's also CS 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.520 usually just is magnetized to whatever trend that was met 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.560 with us. There's two years ago we had an AI 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.760 semen thing, not on that this yeah, no, come, no coming. 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.280 I've never met intelligent semen. 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:53.720 Apparently there were a few years ago. 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.360 Organically or artificially. 0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:02.160 Okay, men are back, kill all men, kill men, more 0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:03.560 woman on podcasts. 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.560 Honestly, femail. This is gonna eat this up. 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.480 All right, we're gonna rotate. Though we're gonna rotate. Here 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:14.960 comes an ad that specifically only for woman. It's pink, 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.280 and we're back in the room. Now. We've of course 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.720 got the wonderful Garrison Davis. If it could happen here, Hello, 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.320 and we're back with Chloe Radcliffe, actress of course in 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:41.320 the movie Is This Thing? On? Stand up comedian, comedian 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.480 and host of the Factually podcast Adam Connover. 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:45.800 Hello, and we were just talking about l M rappers 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:46.320 and why. 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.400 Everything is LLLLM this year and AI this year more 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.000 so even than last year, and why there are so 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.160 many things that are just effectively wrapping around the chat 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:57.560 gpt API and what it is is, Yes, yes, magnetizes 0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.960 the trends like it's just it goes wherever the trends are. 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.200 We've had a metaverse and VR and AR and ind 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:06.480 like twenty fifteen is very indieg go heavy crowdfunding and such. 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.640 But I think it's also the funding thing of where 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.960 venture capital is going. But also it's just fucking easier 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:15.200 to build a company on top of it. Now people 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:19.000 will frame this as, oh, it's democratizing building companies. No, 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.360 it's democratizing lazy, fucking assholes building nothing. 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:24.600 And take that suckers. 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:26.880 No, it really, it really is, though the sucker is 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.320 being venture capitalists and customers as well, because it's like, yeah, 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.800 I built a company. No you fucking didn't. You built 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.280 something on top of someone else's company, and you're claiming 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.560 it's yours. By the way those API rates are going 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:41.680 the way, they're too cheap, they don't make sense. But yeah, 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:45.120 it's just kind of sad because usually you go to CS, 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.440 i'd say forty percent of the stuff will be dead 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.080 in a year. This one is like, if things go 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:54.640 the way, I'm expecting all of it, like like maybe 0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.880 seventy five percent of it to be fair. But like 0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.840 every LLM powered thing you're saying about dog. 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.760 Especially the robot dog, because that has. 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:05.600 Oh, don't kill my robot dog. 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.080 Not how many times we just talk about killing dogs 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:08.560 on the show. 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:14.000 Every time that Chloe's on, I actually multiple times I 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.800 have a whole nother product I want to talk about. 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.400 Oh, oh god it is. 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.680 It is about Lane perfectly landed. 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.800 So I wandered into a uh it was like a 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:31.880 consortium of Internet of Things home products or whatever. And 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.240 the guy recognizes me. He's like, oh, Adam, I like 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:34.600 your show. 0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:34.960 Great. 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.040 I'm like, what do you got in here? He's like, oh, 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.520 I represented all these different companies. He actually said one 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.560 of the you know when someone like accidentally said something 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.280 that sounds really useful here and he's like this thing 0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.560 over here, will detective you left your stove on and 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:51.000 turn your stove off automatically. I was like, wow, that 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.280 that's great. Who did Why didn't we emit that fifty 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.360 years ago? That seems very obvious as a product. Then 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.800 he's like, over here, we got the smart dog crate. 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.479 Oh yeah, it's like a big like okay, first of all, 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.040 imagine if your dog crate was like a like a 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:08.320 twitch streamers room. 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:11.279 We talked about this briefly, but I don't want to know. 0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:13.080 I think this is a different smart dog. 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.880 This doesn't measure the heights of your dog. Uh, that 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:17.840 was the one, you know. 0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.080 I think it's different because the one that I was 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:19.400 looking at. 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.600 So so, just to catch you up the short this 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.920 is one sentence overview. There's a little crate that measures 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.040 your dog's breathing rate, your heart rate, and the height 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:29.919 distance between the top of the crate and the top 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:30.399 of the dog. 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:32.399 And I said, why do we need that? 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.359 And the guy said, because if it if the number 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.040 doesn't change for a while, maybe the dog has died. 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.959 And I said, but but wouldn't you. 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.080 Know that from the other numbers by looking? 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.720 Oh god, the idea of the distance from the ceiling 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:52.760 to the dog has not changed in three days. 0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:56.720 Something is wrong, it's different. 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:58.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said. 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:02.000 I told my my boyfriend Stewart last night about about 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.479 the dog grate that I saw, and he was like, well, 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:09.239 you want to avoid the terrifying case of your dog shrinking. 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:11.680 Or worse, getting bigger. 0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.239 It's like, my dog is not in a perpetual state. 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:19.480 It's like my dog varies sometimes. Yeah, so adam one 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.520 a different one, tweet stream a different one. 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.239 Yes. It had, among other things, had an iPad in 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.560 the dog create so you could show your dog videos, 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.680 video chat with your dog. It had like a privacy 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.480 screen that would open and close, like glass that you 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:37.200 could remotely open and close, and then. 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.280 Your dog try on new outfits. 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:43.279 Your dog wants to pretend it's in a limo. 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.279 Yeah, yep, yep, or like if you were, you know, 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.560 had your dog in some sort of like prison visitation situation. 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:51.279 It was like, if you. 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.080 Don't want strangers to see your dog's. 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.880 Dick, this is the thing I vaguely knew already. 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:56.319 Existed, but. 0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.320 I want my dog to be modest. 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.719 They said, it was, you know, he was like some 0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:04.640 people put a blanket over the crate, but now you 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.640 don't have to do that. And again it's one of 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:08.480 those things where it's like, yeah, what was the problem 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:09.319 with the blanket over the. 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:10.960 Carry and also the blanket of the crate is to 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:12.840 make the dog think, is to make the dog go 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:13.320 to sleep. 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:18.480 Yeah, it's to say it's nighttime now, not uh Yeah. 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:22.799 They called it privacy screen, and it was cool, like 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.160 I was aware this already existed, like a pane of 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.360 glass that if you like run a current through it, 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.720 it suddenly turns opaque or something. And that was cool 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.120 to see go even though I knew it already existed. 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.560 But then a big part of it was like, if 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.719 you are at home and your smoke alarms go off 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:41.759 and your house is on fire, you can open the 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.080 door of the crate automatically so the dog can run 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.440 away from the fire, or if you're on your way 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:47.759 home when you want to let the dog out a 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.640 little early. And the thing in my mind is, I'm like, 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:52.560 who's who's crating their dog? 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:52.719 This? 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.480 Much like use when your dog's a puppy. 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.839 Maybe yeah, you're trading a dog to stain in the 0:36:57.840 --> 0:36:59.959 crate and be happy in it. And the whole point 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.000 is that it can't leave, like you kind of like 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.920 train it to like the crate, Like, why would you 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:07.640 let it I guess if you let it out early out. 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.200 The whole point of a dog is that it knows routine, 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:12.520 as everybody knows the point of a dog, the. 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:13.200 Points of a dog. 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:17.560 The point of a dog is maximal efficiency is optimize 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.799 your dog dog. But if you let the dog out, 0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.600 if you open the dog crate early, and the dog 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.080 has no way of predicting when you're going to open the. 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.680 Crate remotely and you will not there and you're not. 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:31.799 There, Like I feel like if you have a dog 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:33.000 created while you're gone, because I. 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:34.600 Do know people who are, like, there are tons of 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:35.040 people who do. 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:40.640 Yeah, and do you know it's whatever, whatever judgment decide 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.520 about whether you should have your dog in the crate 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.120 that much or not. Totally setting that aside, just dealing 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.960 with the reality of there are people who do. If 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.280 you drive home and the dog hears the garage door opening, 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.160 or the dog here's the front door opening or whatever, 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:53.879 then the dog gets to be excited because the crate 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.640 is about to open. But if you're just randomly opening it, 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:57.920 it's like, do you know those Do you know that 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.279 experiment with rats where they like shocked them where they 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:02.000 played they. 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.520 Played that's azz that's was that the one where they 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:05.239 shocked the dog. 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:07.640 I think I know they had one with skins that 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.600 I'm thinking of where it was where they like play 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.640 a beep and then shock the rat. And those rats 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:17.160 survived like two or three times longer than where they 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:21.040 where they just randomly shocked without the beep, because the 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.080 rats who didn't have the beep were so anxious the 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.480 entire time, were so stressed because they didn't know when 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:28.919 the shock was coming, Whereas when they knew it's it's 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.200 right after the beep, they could prepare for it for 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.319 the second between the beep and the shock. And I 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.040 feel like that's what you're doing to your dog if 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:35.640 the dog's just. 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:39.080 Like this door could open at any moment. Could a 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:40.120 person fit in this thing? 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:42.560 Okay? 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.360 Well no, we're talked about the things. You got an 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.440 iPad on the it was like a weird streamer. I've 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.239 got a few furry listens. Yeah, I definitely know. No, 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:53.520 That's why I'm like the if the yiff maxes, yes, 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.200 there's gonna be one person new emails saying they love that, 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:57.799 and another that threatens to kill me. 0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:58.600 It's gonna be great. 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.640 It was kind of charming, It wasn't that to your point, 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:03.480 cluy I think if you were a dog and you're 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.000 like in the crate all day and then suddenly the 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:10.000 door just like silently swings open, yeah, I'd be like, oh, 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.319 humanity is gone. They've died, and I've been released from 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.520 my I'm in like a twenty eight days later situation. 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:17.440 Yeah, like it's the beginning of. 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:18.760 The movie and have to eat my owner. 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.080 You just come back with dog fucking kills. 0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:23.680 It's too ominous, all right? 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:24.920 Yeah, what have you seen today? 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:26.360 Today? 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.480 I've been to once again, more Panels. I went home 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:31.560 the Panasonic booth ones. Actually I would I would prefer 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.960 to go over your favorite part of Cees what you mean, 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:36.360 which is showstoppers. 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.960 Yes, showstoppers who have made war with me. 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.120 Yeah, because I work at a PR firm, They've decided 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:45.560 I cannot go very unfair, very nasty. So if you 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.839 ever go to showstoppers, my my request is you eat 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:50.799 a lot of horrible food. I want you to op 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.600 a deck every toilet in that place, and we turn 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.400 this into the most icly cantina. 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:56.160 I got it. 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.920 I like when that accident comes out, what is that 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:00.320 specifically with the cos. 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.680 Yeah, it was like it's west, it's West London. It's 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.600 West West London. Yeah, it goes between my pulshvaxcent in 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:09.680 the West London. 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.439 And it's all in the consonants like they're tight. 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.279 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's there. There's something wrong with me. 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.120 Tell me about the about host Stoppers. 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.560 It was the worst Showstoppers I've been to in a 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.560 few years, which I'm honestly I'm saddened to say, Like 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.200 I usually kind of look forward to Showstoppers. 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.719 And could I request on one to two sentence overview of. 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:27.560 What shost Stoppers is. 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:32.360 Showstoppers is a media event for journalists where a bunch 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.800 of products, usually from like Eureka Park, usually like the Ces, 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:40.600 like innovation type products have boots in a ballroom in 0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.440 the Blagio and there's food and drinks and in journalist 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:45.440 we'll walk through and you can talk to you know, 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.239 people from these companies. It's it's it's like another condensed 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.920 version of like the Show, all in like one room 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:55.680 and it's like every Tuesday night and ces and is. 0:40:55.600 --> 0:41:00.000 There uh uh who gets to be there? 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:00.560 Not that? 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.040 No, no, no, not who gets to look. 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:02.319 You have to pay? 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:03.879 Who gets to show like exhibitors? 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:05.399 Who gets to stop the show? 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:07.600 But I guess what I'm saying is like, can you 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:10.120 just pay enough and be one of those exhibitors? Like 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:14.200 it just it's it's not like nobody's picked its, like 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:15.560 we think these are actually the best. 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:19.440 Degree of that, and that's something that's outright fraudulent. They 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:21.239 would probably say no to, but probably not. 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.680 Yeah, because there's there's not much space and so they 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:25.920 kind of defer to to people who want like to 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.640 see Yes, Innovation Awards every year. 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.160 So you got there was like a few of those boots. 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.040 But what was almost made about it? What was not? 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:34.160 What it was? 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.080 They changed venues, It was in a much smaller ballroom 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:41.120 than the Terrible in the past few years. Yeah, and 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.799 I would say about forty to percent of the show 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:49.479 floor was once again your favorite product, smart glasses. So 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:54.600 many smart glasses boots. Interesting, there was like three three 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.640 like regular smart glasses, all all the back ended via 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.520 lms like the auto translation glasses. 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:02.960 I tried on. 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.680 One was a sound translation where they like have speakers 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.839 in the arm that they were running that translation through 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.560 Microsoft's AI. They had another like a backup translation that 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.960 you could run through chat GPT's I did a. 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:21.400 That's funny because Microsoft is powered by GPT. This is 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.439 I'm noting with the guys. I'm saying you're wrong. I'm 0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.920 just like, that's just like classic ces brain. It's just 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.760 like what it runs through chat GPT or chat GPT 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:31.920 with the. 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.719 Other the other ones which were like the visual visual 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:37.880 translations as well as like navigation, like they hook up 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.359 to Google Maps so they can do do that sort 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:44.960 of thing if you're like biking. But the big ones 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:50.520 were the ro Kid glasses, the crowd funded AI smart glasses. 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.480 They worked better than the sound ones. The sound only 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.399 ones worked but with a pretty significant delay, so long 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:03.320 a ten seconds jesus, so you can't have a conversation 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.080 with them. They were prettier. They were they look like 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.600 normal glasses. The wealthy glasses are a little bit more 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.319 obvious that they're smart glasses. But the translations faster. It's 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:14.360 obviously it's hard to have eye contact with someone in 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.319 a conversation when you're text You have like the kind 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:21.279 of like blurry like hologram text. But as long as 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:24.279 you can focus your always multitask, it's like okay that 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.359 that one runs through TRAT GPT. I there's a two 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:31.840 different like in ear like earbuds which listen to and 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:36.960 transcribe conversation also run through TRAT GPT. The worst part 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.040 about those though that they were they worked really well 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:42.080 and you could like whisper. Then that that was the 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:43.920 main fixed that was that was the main feature. It 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:47.520 was like auto auto dictation if you like whispers even 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:48.600 like a loud showroom. 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:49.840 Yeah, yeah, that's so. 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.319 Even even in like a loud showroom, the person who 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:54.400 had it on could like whisper something. 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:54.960 Uh. 0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:57.720 I could not hear it standing like two feet away, 0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:59.600 but it was like it was perfectly transcribed and I 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.799 could like actually like via like reading lips and it 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:03.200 was good. 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.360 But and is this sorry hold on, this is a 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.160 translation through language and transcription. 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:10.640 It does both and this is at. 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.960 These were basically basically like like yeah, like like a 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:20.480 AirPod style cool, But the dictation feature is a subscription model. 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.520 You have debate to keep using it, and it's powered 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:24.600 by GPT and all and. 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.239 It's also powered by GPT, so there was a few 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.640 things like that. Uh, there was smart like swim goggles. 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:32.840 There was smart like ski goggles by goggles. 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:34.520 Long questions just with the previous ones. 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:37.279 Sorry, so you need a subscription, but do you need 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:40.480 an internet connection as well? Oh I didn't ask that. 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.120 That's because it must connect to your phone or something, 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.680 which is just like because yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, because 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.680 like ostensibly, if you're. 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.800 The dictation needs the phone because you see the dictation 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.359 like getting updated on your ves so bad, they're gonna 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:53.880 it's it's gonna be sync to your mobile device, but. 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:55.640 You'd want that anyway. That one's not so bad. But 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.600 the translation ones, it's like, if you're in a foreign country, 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:00.120 you can't necessarily. 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:00.840 Rely like the situation. 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.759 The situations you need translation will probably not be in 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:07.680 a major metropolitan area because depending on the country, and 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.719 if it's a country where is Maltinarian, it doesn't have 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:13.440 this translation. The cell service might not be good, You're 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:14.319 not might not. 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.799 It's just also the idea of walking up to a 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:20.719 person who doesn't speak English, who speaks like literally so 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:24.359 much zero so zero of English that you can't yeah, 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.880 you can't converse model through and being like hold on 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.520 let me put in my thousand dollars machine into my head. 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.120 That is going to make me be able to talk 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:37.360 to I mean a lot of the glasses. 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:39.080 At least it's for like putting on so you can 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:41.799 hear people like around you, which isn't too bad. It's 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:44.440 not necessarily even for conversation, but at least at least 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:46.440 you can, like you can hear someone speaking. 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.680 You catch the leaves drop so that these people who 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:50.000 are specifically. 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.000 Who have switched to a foreign language, specifically so that 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:53.480 you won't understand what they're saying. 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.160 This is what my did. No, it was really funny 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:56.560 when I was a kid and my parents used to 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.160 speak in French in front of my brother and I 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.040 to try and avoid us hearing what we didn't tell 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:02.960 them for fucking years. 0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.840 We could understand then, we could completely understand. 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:07.760 What they're doing is teaching you frendship. 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:08.680 No, I No. 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:10.600 We were just listening to work out why that, Like 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:12.680 we're like how long we were going to stay places, 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:13.960 or if there was something we were going to do 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:15.839 we didn't want to do. And then eventually I think 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:17.600 one of us like laughed at something they said. It 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:21.560 was like ship, God, damn it years of the scam. 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.680 Okay, it's kind of useful if you are someone who 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:27.960 only speaks English talking is talking to someone who's speaking 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:31.000 another language but can like understand English but maybe maybe 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:32.080 can't speak. 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:32.680 It very right, I do. 0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:33.760 Actually that's a translation. 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:35.000 That's like the main case. 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.600 There's stuff like this has been normalized a little bit too, 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.400 Like I've got to plenty of hotels where there's someone 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:42.960 from mainland China trying to check into the hotel and 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.839 they're using the translation thing. It's like and then they 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.600 show the phone, yes, and like that'll get more refined, 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:50.719 and I don't know, it seems to me like translation 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.120 is one of the few things that like I was 0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:55.759 about to say, this really good for like it is 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:57.040 an improvement. 0:46:56.640 --> 0:47:00.719 Yes, yeah, totally, and like it is. It is a 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.600 positive use case. It is a like non harmful at 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:07.520 least broadly non harmful use case. I've always imagining the 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.600 setting though, like when you're in the you know, the 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.960 rural Uzbek mountains and you're trying to communicate with it, 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.520 Like I'm trying to watch the setting where you have 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.080 no WiFi, but you're like trying to use these earbuds 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.879 which just feels like a you know, a set piece 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:22.400 in a movie. 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:24.520 So like, although some of these things kind of like 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:26.600 works to some degree, the audio one is a little 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:28.680 bit slower. Like these are all stuff I've tried on 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.680 at c yes before. Like I was gonna say, I 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:32.600 feel like we had this conversation last year. We've had 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.319 the exact exact conversation before. Like, these are not new 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:38.240 and this was this was it like forty to fifty 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:41.319 percent of the show floor at Showstoppers was just these 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.239 was like this genre of product, right. The only new 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.960 thing is that they put like these smart glasses technology 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:50.879 and like ski goggles, like swim goggles, scuba goggles, so 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:52.799 you can have like a you know, headsep view if 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:54.640 you're wearing a scuba goggles. 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:57.200 Like that's like a new ish. I guess I. 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:58.600 Feel like, why do you want a headset view? 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:03.680 You know, maybe maybe you need to play a app 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:05.280 with gesture controls because. 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.319 You saw the Terminator forty years ago and you're like, 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.359 it would be cool to see text on my eyes. 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:13.880 Look as pretty as it is to scuba dive. You 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.040 could also be watching Instagram reels at the same time. 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:21.400 Yeah, like brain row as you're looking at beautiful tropical fish. 0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:22.320 Jesus Christ. 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:24.839 You're like, hey, do you like to swim laps because 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.040 it's the one place that you cannot bring your phone. 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.200 Yeah, we got the solution for you. 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.200 The whole thing about the phone is that you can 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:33.440 look away from it. Yeah. Like, to me, the main 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:39.880 reason VR didn't catch up is because like when I 0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.000 would play a VR game, I would, you know, sometimes 0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.359 I would enjoy them, but after like twenty minutes, I'd 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.239 be like, what if my house is on fire? What 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:48.960 if somebody needs me? And then I take the thing off, 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.960 and then it's such a big phase change you don't 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:52.880 want to go back into it. And just the ability 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.759 to glance away from stuff is so important, and I 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.759 just feel like, I don't know, heads up display I 0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:00.480 don't want for that reason, and it fits the thing. 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.880 I've really been struck by how many people I've been walking. 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:05.680 If you look at the way people are using their 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.080 phones at this thing, everybody is on their phones all 0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.040 the time. They're just they're in like hunched over phone position, 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.840 you know, like like elbows on knees looking at the phone, 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:16.680 And I'm like, I don't see any of these companies 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.959 unseating Apple and Android, like it's we have the here, 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:22.840 this is where the AI is happening. 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.160 This is where all that you can leave. 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.000 We've done it. I don't think even happening. 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.200 Now you can do it, John, Like I was just 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:30.279 in Japan and you can do translation on your phone. 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:31.480 You can type, You could type the thing and you 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:32.799 could show it to someone. They can type it back, 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:34.360 and that's going to be faster and more efficient. 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.560 I went to Japan in twenty seventeen and I literally 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:39.799 just used Google Translate. Yeah, and I feel like it'd 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:41.920 be way more offensive to this man who did not 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:43.440 speak a lick of it. I went to rock and 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.360 it was amazing and like it was way less offensive 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.160 to be like, oh, I don't understand you. I'm going 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:49.839 to use this and being very honest to be like 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:53.279 one second beep beep, now speak. 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:55.040 Yeah, that's what I mean. 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.919 You know inm Basil, who cannot converse with versus being 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:01.600 like yeah, we're both from different countries, Like yeah, how magical. Yeah, 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.880 there is a barrier, and technology has solved this barrier 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.400 without removing the honesty of conversation versus I have paid 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.920 someone five hundred dollars and twenty five bucks a month 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:13.160 so that you and I can pretend we understand each 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:14.160 other because we don't. 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:16.960 And I do, I really do think that, like at 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.440 the at the broadest levels, I do think that the 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:23.000 translation use case makes them makes more sense than almost 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.319 any other to me. And you know why it makes 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.880 that sense because it's written in English. But Adam, what 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.480 you were saying earlier, I couldn't miss it anyway. But 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:32.279 the burden of being a comedian they have to take 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.760 a little hanging free. But Adam, what you were saying 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.160 earlier of just a second ago, about like we've already 0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:38.160 like the winners are here. 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.120 The winners are the iPhone and android phones. 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.520 Yeah, sort of goes back to what I was asking 0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:47.839 in the earlier block about, which about why are the 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:51.000 rappers so prevalent? And is it because ed I'm hearing 0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:53.560 you that that a huge part of it is that 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.879 we're following the trend. But also like, is it that 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:03.520 there is some degree of the biggest consumer tech gaps 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.880 have been closed right now or like the biggest consumer 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:09.400 gaps that we can imagine right now. I'm sure in 0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:11.080 ten years there will be they will be will be 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:11.719 in a totally. 0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:15.400 I mean, the iPhone was like ninety percent of all 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:20.000 technological advancement. That's yeah, that was possible when it was invented. 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:20.200 That's what I mean. 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.279 Like it sort of picked. It was all the low 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.960 hanging fruit all at once. It's been refined over twenty years. 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.200 And they planned for it. Like there was a famous 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:29.960 Golmon Sachs analysts called Jim Cavelli who said, like the iPhone, 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.040 they knew it was going to happen, like at decade beforehand. 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.640 They just needed Bluetooth to be smaller, they needed GPS 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:36.600 to be smaller on mode ends and such. 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:39.160 And like Apple has made the same thing in a 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:42.000 dozen other form factors and they're all less popular than 0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:44.400 the iPhone. They're just like less, the iPad less, the 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:47.160 Apple Watch less. The iPhone is like the main thing. 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.320 Well obviously the Vision Pro, which is the most successful 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:51.480 for me. 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:55.800 Yeah, that's the popular product everyone loved. I think. I 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:57.799 think there's another level of it as well, which is 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:01.600 it's follow a culture, because it's when a big company goes, 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:04.360 we're going to try this. And I think the meta 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:08.520 glasses because a lot of credulous journalists when Wow, I 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:12.160 could use this to video myself cooking. I could use 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.839 this were walking around. I did a content video as 0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.040 a content creator. This is now a thing. And because 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.680 that happened, everyone goes, oh, but those fucking dumb fuck 0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:21.960 vcs will buy anything. 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.919 No one, they will, and I don't. 0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:29.200 Yeah, but vcs will. But have we seen any proof 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:32.200 that consumers? No, no, no, no, no, but yeah vs will. But 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:34.480 it's like, oh, yeah, we can clone the very popular 0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:37.959 meta ray bands you mean the horrendously unpopular one sorry, 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:42.440 the unprofitable but also not super profitable like metas. 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:45.799 I've never seen them in the real world using them. 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:50.160 I've literally seen one person using them. Yeah, Don Lemon, 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:51.239 don Lemon. 0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:58.680 You could not have said a funny. 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.400 That man was Don Lemon. You could tell me a 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:07.719 story about anybody doing anything and that they say it 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:08.319 was Don Lemon. 0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:09.799 That very that's very good. 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:11.160 Yeah, that's the thing. 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:15.279 That he's shorter than what you would think. He's like 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:16.520 maybe five seven of most. 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:20.120 That's not good. Yeah, that's a shorter man than I expected, 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:23.719 kind of. 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.680 I went to the Razor Booth, which I know we 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:30.160 talked about yesterday, but I did have a good time 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:32.680 there and I actually kind of left going like they're 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:36.279 doing it in an honest way because you know, I 0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:38.319 walk in and most of the stuff. Look, they're a 0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:41.759 second tier hardware company that makes accessories for gaming, right, 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:43.880 and they make good ones. I had a Razor mouse. 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:46.960 They had some keyboards. They went click click clicking. It 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:50.279 was very nice. And then they had like a their 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:53.279 their LLLM Rapper was a pair of gamer headphones with 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:55.479 cameras and they're like, this is better than glasses because 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:57.359 it's like a little bigger and no one can hear you. 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:00.239 And then they did the same demo as where like 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:04.160 literally they had a plastic cutting board full of plastic 0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:07.120 food and the girl goes, what can I make with this? 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:10.880 And the LLM is like spaghetti and she's like wow, thanks, 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:12.160 like it's literally spaghetti. 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:13.320 And you see. 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:13.840 The wife tube. 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:16.520 I did. I did see the wife tube, but just 0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:20.120 to finish first. Then they're like, look, you can connect 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:24.000 to Claude or Opus or any of them. And I'm like, okay, great, 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:26.200 So Razor has gone. I know who gives a fun 0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:29.920 but Razor has gone. We're a hardware company. We make hardware. 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:33.120 This is a thing that people are maybe using here's 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:35.719 a hardware interface for it that's like pretty good, yes, 0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:39.520 and like fine, And they called it Project Makoto, which 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.480 is a little bit over the top, but like it's 0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:46.279 functionally a gamer a gamer headset, right, it's not that bad. 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:46.560 Now. 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:48.960 The little tube I thought was funny. 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.120 And this is a holographic tube with the WIFU in it. 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:53.160 It's a little holograph. Have you seen this clothes? You 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.120 should probably go check the wife. You would enjoy it. 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:56.799 I would like to see you interact with it. It's 0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:59.000 a little so like a little on your desk, a 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.680 little tube and inside the tubes a little anime girl 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:03.840 and you can talk to it and it's just like 0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:08.239 talking to Chad GPT. But you can say like hey, hey, 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:12.200 get out my gun in Battlefield four and then she goes, okay, 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:13.840 I added a scope to it, but. 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.400 Did that work? This is what the wife tube looks like. 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:20.920 By the way, Yeah, it's but it's a little avatar tube. 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:24.160 It can see you. And the guy goes, hey, what 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:26.239 do you think of Adam's outfit? Because, by the way, 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.200 everybody in the Razor booth that was the most recognized. 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:33.760 I was all weekend because they're all Internet nerds loaded, 0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:35.480 so you want you. They kept come going up and 0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:40.000 saying hi, Adam. I was like, are you fucking stop it? 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.759 It pos ten seconds every time he some. 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.919 But so the guy goes, he reveals that he knew 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:47.600 who I was because he goes, what do you think 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.520 of Adam's outfit? And it sort of goes like wow, 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:55.840 cees badge on fleek looking super professional and like a boss, 0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.560 and Jesus Christ, you know, yep, I guess there's some 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:03.400 gamers who might need compliments, like a little compliment tube, 0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:08.880 but it was dumb but also compliment a little toy. 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:12.359 I felt like they weren't even taking it that they're 0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:14.680 kind of shrugging, going like, yeah, you know. 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:16.359 This is the bullshit we gotta do this year. 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:19.719 Yeah, it's were a razor. Hey you want a mouse 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:21.799 or you want a little anime girl too? You want 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:25.640 something you scholowed? You want whatever the fuck this pervirtue? 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:29.040 Yeah at least yeah, but they make led fucking you 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:30.440 know desktop towers. 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:34.120 Nobody doesn't love it, love it? 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:36.960 Yeah, but like I don't know, I just like, if 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.200 you buy the wife You Tube, they should fucking put 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:39.719 you on the list. 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:41.200 I'm sorry if you're. 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:44.440 Like I desire a tube or right where to quote 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:49.400 Robert from Yesterday, where like Krieger's Hentai wife from Archer resides, 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.360 you should you should not be allowed to like you 0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.120 should have to introduce yourself to your neighbors. Like it's 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:57.840 just it's just a very worrying product. And also who 0:56:57.880 --> 0:56:58.840 the fuck for? 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:00.480 Like who is because. 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:02.400 It's not good enough to give you actual if I 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.799 like ces batge on fleek, wow, fuck off. 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:08.719 Just well, that's the thing is that, Like that's one 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:11.840 of the things is sure, are there a lot of 0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:16.960 gamers who could use some compliments without a doubt, absolutely, 0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:21.280 but like it sort of feels insulting to their intelligence. 0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:22.240 It feels insulting. 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:26.880 I think the way AI talks, the kind of sycophantic chat, 0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:30.920 all this, yeah, feels feels like insulting to anybody's intelligence. 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:33.400 And it's it's sort of shocking to me that we 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:37.959 just go, yeah, that's how it should talk and that's 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:41.560 fine and we accept that and aren't like that's humiliating 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:42.440 and stupid. 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:45.640 But if fits into me in the gamer context actually, 0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:49.000 because something that so many games do that I find annoying, 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:52.760 But clearly people must like is like, thank you so much. 0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:56.120 You saved the whole village. You're the strongest hero we've 0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.600 ever met. Like games, you will compliment you for doing 0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:00.960 basic things. I don't even think games do that. 0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:02.720 I mean, you saved the whole village. 0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:06.960 At them, that's more than you see that in like 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:09.479 a textbox and it goes away and you've forgotten to happen, 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:13.880 and I'm hammering X. I'm like, I'm just like full autists, 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:15.160 like I need to get in this fucking bit. 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:17.560 Fuck you did. I don't care about the story. 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:20.280 And it's just most gamers I talk to would be 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:23.320 very annoyed to have any interruption and just having this 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:25.520 demented Hentai thing in the corner. 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:30.560 Flake and not to need to wash. 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:38.000 Do you say you need to watch utility it's a 0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:43.040 wash tube then just reminds gamers to shower. Actually, this 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.080 is a use case for AI. Then I can get 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:47.720 Oh no, we're gonna get some memos saying I'm a 0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:50.080 gamer and eye wash. But by the way, if you 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:52.000 email me that, I'm asking how often. 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:56.160 It is funny that, like you know, maybe it's the 0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:58.520 computer from Star Trek, right, whether you go computer do 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.080 this or that? And it would answer. The computer didn't go, 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:04.440 what a great idea, Captain. That's sure decisive and a 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:07.040 great shows leadership on your part. 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.360 I think that actually is it though it's trying. 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:10.960 To think of how much better Captain would have felt 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:12.560 about himself if the computer had said that. 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:14.320 Oh, Captain Percartt had self respect. 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:17.840 But here's the thing they're doing. They're doing that because 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:19.880 you can't just be like, do something. You can't be like, 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:22.120 do this because it can't do anything true. It's like 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:24.880 you can't be like, oh you the battlefield example, It 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:26.640 actually can't do that because it would require it to 0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:29.360 interact with the game, which it definitely can't do. So 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.600 it's like, yeah, they add all the sycophancy because you 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:33.640 can't actually be like, can you do this for me? 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:35.720 Can you find this? Because there'll be a five to 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:39.080 ten second posset and they'll go Olympia is the capital 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.400 of Washington's like I needed the fucking time, man. 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.840 It said that it did it. The guy said, kid 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:45.560 out my gun, and it said a bunch of stuff 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.320 about the gun. I didn't know the game enough well 0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:49.440 enough to tell if it did, but I asked the 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:53.280 dude I was like, do you think that gamers want 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:55.520 this like a game assistant, because to me, a video 0:59:55.520 --> 0:59:58.080 game is like the paragon thing that you would want 0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:02.160 to do yourself. Yes, and I in this he was like, well, yes, 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:05.080 but sometimes people people want to get better at a 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:07.440 game like League of Legends or a game like that 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:09.840 has a high skill ceiling, and so maybe it can 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:12.360 give you tips. And I was like, okay, like a coach. 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:13.880 And he's like yeah. And I was like, all right, 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:17.920 maybe that's a use case and training a training AI 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:21.280 that's gonna give you because people do higher like like 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:23.120 video game like coaches. 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:25.520 That is a market just good at a game. 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:30.840 Yeah, not like a regurgitation of how money game FAQ pages. 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:33.480 I'm not even I'm not even being selcastic like people. 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:35.840 I've had many people helped me with games, but people, 1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:37.720 and the whole point is they watch you and go 1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:40.760 that was wrong, that was wrong. No, do this like 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:43.760 you're doing this. I see you regularly making this action. 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:46.080 I don't think you could recognize that through a camera. 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:48.640 I guess it could maybe used for like for like 1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:50.480 walk through guides. If you're like stuck at a part 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:52.439 you don't know how to, you can ask and it'll 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:55.200 like regurgitate some ign article about how to get past 1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:56.840 the fourth dungeon. 1:00:57.440 --> 1:00:58.560 Already has that built in? 1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:01.480 Yeah really yeah they really brought it in as well. 1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:05.000 Yeah they have a future. The developers have to like 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:07.920 build it in. But like Astrobot has this all done, 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:10.920 because that's like a super fish party game. It like 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.680 you hit the PlayStation button and it has like game hints. 1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:16.280 So literally, you know, if you're on a level and 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:18.680 you're like, where's the fucking third puzzle piece, and it'll 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:21.080 like show you a little video or give you a hint. 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:23.439 But that's like basically they just put the game fact 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:24.400 in the game. 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:24.800 The game. 1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:26.720 It's I used to. 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:27.880 Write video game guides. 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:31.040 And the problem is is the the things that people 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:33.439 get stuck on can be so dip because it's why 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:35.960 they have like yellow things on ladders that you have 1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:38.680 to climb now, because something that seems really obvious to 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:41.840 one million out of one sorry, one point nine million 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:44.840 out of two million people is really just not obvious 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.400 like a thousand people, and all of those people post 1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:49.440 online and they are just like what the fuck do 1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:51.080 I do here? And then you get the people who 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:52.080 are mad that it's too obvious. 1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:52.600 But it's like. 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:56.480 It's yet another thing where it's like a solution in 1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:59.160 search of a problem, and it's just kind of sad 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:01.640 and I hate to do this really abrupt thing, but 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.000 we're at thirty minutes and the next thing will solve 1:02:04.040 --> 1:02:07.200 either all of your problems will cause you more your choice, 1:02:07.360 --> 1:02:09.280 but you really have to give them your money whatever 1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:10.760 it is, and if it's a podcast, you have to 1:02:10.800 --> 1:02:25.000 listen and trust them wholeheartedly. We return to our scene. 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:28.520 We've rotated once more, bringing back Matt Binder of Mashable. 1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:30.800 Hey, nice to be here again. 1:02:30.720 --> 1:02:32.960 And of course stand up comedian and star of Is 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:34.280 This Thing On? Chloe Ratcline. 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:35.040 Who you have her? 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:38.720 Where is she? Bring her out there? She is? I 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:39.680 must see her. 1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:42.480 Someone's gonna someone who's gonna see Is This Thing On? 1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:44.480 As result, they've heard the name so many. 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:46.360 Don't you know? What I want people to do? 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:47.280 Who cares about it? 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:49.400 And it's not No. The movie's amazing and I'm very 1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:51.120 happy to be in it. What I want you to do? 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:52.240 Can I do a little plug? 1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:52.800 Please? Please? 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:55.040 I want you to come to my stand up shows 1:02:55.040 --> 1:02:58.920 in either Cincinnati this weekend January tenth and eleventh or 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:02.000 DC next week in January seventeen, the eighteenth, or my 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:05.200 solo show called Cheat in Philadelphia January twenty twenty. 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:08.560 First and I saw Cheat, want I saw cheese fucking brilliant. 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:08.920 Thank you. 1:03:09.240 --> 1:03:12.480 I mean to do that too, Pula, she plugged. I 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:13.120 gotta plug. 1:03:13.600 --> 1:03:15.960 Uh. Now we know it's only my turn. 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:19.400 This weekend, I'm gonna be a comedy on State in Madison, Wisconsin, 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:20.760 one of the best clubs in the country. And then 1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:23.720 I'm going to be next weekend in Fort Wayne, Indiana, 1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:26.360 which I will not say, at the Summit Comedy Club 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:28.080 in Fort Wayne, Indiana, which I will not say, is 1:03:28.120 --> 1:03:29.920 one of the best clubs in the country. But if 1:03:29.920 --> 1:03:31.760 you live at Fort Wayne, Indiana, it's probably the only 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:34.120 club you have access to. And I will be there, 1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:36.960 So go see me there and then and then Houston 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:37.880 later and I will. 1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:41.440 Be at the Chuckle Hunt Las Vegas doing my doing 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:45.560 my new set bom actually stolen Valor and it's me 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:49.840 doing the DreamWorks eyebrow for fifteen minutes. Anyway, we're back 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:53.840 talking about CS Matt Benderer's return. What have you seen recently? 1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:57.840 I I don't even know anymore. Yeah, it's just just 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:02.720 everything all at once, multiple places. I will say that 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:05.520 this is very insaary in terms of being here, but 1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:11.000 it's fine. They they Vegas has very specific Uber pickup points. Yes, 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:13.800 and it seems like when CS comes to town they 1:04:13.880 --> 1:04:16.520 just decide to fuck with everyone and move them place. Yes, 1:04:16.560 --> 1:04:18.960 they get telling the uber drivers yep. So you know, 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:20.600 you try to get somewhere and you just can't because 1:04:20.600 --> 1:04:22.240 the Uber driver can't fucking get to you. 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:24.280 West you have to go to the West Hall and 1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:25.760 go to the Diamond Lot, or you have to go 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:28.080 to the Renaissance Hotel. That's the only way to get 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:30.320 out of the LVCC. You can also take the tram 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:33.360 if you want to be shoulder to shoulder with people 1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:35.840 who will want to die. Today, I walked from the LVCC. 1:04:36.120 --> 1:04:37.200 Great, how long did it take. 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:39.080 You, uh LVCC to hear? 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:42.000 It took me half an hour maybe a little bit 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:53.320 less Samu powerwalk. Yeah, my priority is speed. What that's 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:56.360 like an English thing that I'd see in Eureka Bark 1:04:56.600 --> 1:04:59.919 when your priority is speed and it's just a SaaS product. Yeah, 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:02.320 but Matt, have you not seen the game? No? No? 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:03.720 Have you beheld? 1:05:03.760 --> 1:05:05.760 All right? So I did. I don't even remember the 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:07.560 name of it, but I did. I remember the last 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:10.080 time I was on this show, I was larding the 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.800 fact that crypto and blockchain is dead at cees. 1:05:12.920 --> 1:05:13.680 Oh, do you find something? 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:16.440 I unfortunately found something. I don't remember what it did. 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:19.560 It was a mining company. I don't know what their product. 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:19.720 Did. 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:23.280 I mean, but one thing I saw one thing, so's 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:25.880 we don't got to shut out here. It's es when 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:28.000 it comes to crypto, but it seems like it is 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:29.840 still dead other than that one thing. 1:05:30.120 --> 1:05:33.200 Right, Yeah, it's the way. I will also say when 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:35.760 Crypto was here, and I do remember it, it was 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:38.040 so half hearted because first of all, it's the problem 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:40.960 all the AI shit runs into, which is it's Internet connected. 1:05:41.000 --> 1:05:45.360 But it's also where AI really doesn't work. Crypto really 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:48.760 really doesn't work. It's right, Yeah, it's a blockchain game. Great, 1:05:48.800 --> 1:05:50.280 So what you do is you get the thing. It 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:53.400 takes ten to fifteen minutes based on the ethereum blockchain. 1:05:53.880 --> 1:05:57.440 And now one thing has happened, Now you'll do another thing. Yeah, 1:05:57.440 --> 1:06:00.120 you're going to need more ethereum because every single time 1:06:00.160 --> 1:06:03.560 you touched this. I I've definitely walked around a few 1:06:03.560 --> 1:06:05.320 of those. I'm like, yeah, so does this work? What's 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:07.000 proof of concept? We've got a white paper. I'm like, 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:08.400 fucking just everything. 1:06:08.440 --> 1:06:11.800 That's not good, that's not good showcase material for a count. 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:12.360 It was. 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:14.480 And last year I did see a panel that was 1:06:14.520 --> 1:06:17.560 a guy talking about quantum web three and I thought 1:06:17.600 --> 1:06:19.160 it would be funny. No, it was just a guy. 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:22.560 It sounded like someone with a concussion, like web three, 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:27.600 web three, web three, quantum quantum fast but quantumle break blockchain, 1:06:27.880 --> 1:06:29.120 and everyone going, hm. 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:31.920 You you bringing up web three. It did make me 1:06:32.000 --> 1:06:33.880 remember that I did. I didn't go into it, but 1:06:33.920 --> 1:06:37.800 I did pass by. Apparently Jason Calacananas whatever his name is, 1:06:37.800 --> 1:06:40.360 from all In they were doing a live just him, 1:06:40.680 --> 1:06:45.600 were doing a live all In podcast at no interesting 1:06:45.680 --> 1:06:48.200 going in, but I mean they sent they sent like 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:51.560 the the what the least successful. 1:06:51.040 --> 1:06:55.080 We've sent our clammiest man, our dampest man is here 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:57.920 to bring you the dampest coverage of the ces. 1:06:58.000 --> 1:07:00.720 Because the other guy, Chopped whatever Chop whatever his name is, 1:07:00.720 --> 1:07:03.120 he's he's the most wealthy one, I think, right, and 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:05.880 then and there's just David said and David Sackson too busy, 1:07:06.800 --> 1:07:11.360 too busy with his insidery trading stuff with the Trump administration. Yeah, so, 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:13.960 I mean, I guess Jason kalakan Asen whenever how you 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.240 ever said his last name? Yeah, I mean where was 1:07:16.280 --> 1:07:17.240 his claim to fame again? 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:19.680 He sold Mahalow. 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:24.080 Yeah, the SEO Yeah, the SEO Show, and then weblows engineer, 1:07:24.480 --> 1:07:25.960 but weblogs which created and gadget. 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:27.360 It's like a weird thing where like he had a 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:30.680 hand and he was also right right right right basically, 1:07:30.880 --> 1:07:32.360 what the fuck is he doing here? 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:35.040 He's on the All In podcast. He's one of the 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:36.760 four hosts, right, I mean. 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:39.920 What Yeah, But I mean, I guess I can't really 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:41.520 judge someone of being like I'm going to do a 1:07:41.560 --> 1:07:42.760 random podcast at CES. 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:45.680 It's not random. I planned it all right, right no, but. 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:49.720 I mean it wasn't though, Like this is ed Zitron show, 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:52.360 and ed Zitron is here. Yes, they all In is 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:54.960 four guys, and they sent just the one guy. They 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:57.000 don't really even like that is really. 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:01.000 Yeah, they did a regular episode doing one right now, 1:08:01.240 --> 1:08:03.520 It's like, yeah, Jason and each to cover Cees. Fine 1:08:03.600 --> 1:08:06.160 fucking Christ, Okay, let's do the Let's do the show. 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:08.720 Jason's gone, God, that would be really I think is 1:08:08.760 --> 1:08:09.560 there four of them? 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.000 There's four of them. I never remember the fourth one. 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:15.800 But because he stays out of the political world, I 1:08:15.880 --> 1:08:17.120 think for the most part. 1:08:17.720 --> 1:08:19.599 They had Trump on and he was just like, we're 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:21.679 gonna be the biggest immigrants. Are gonna have the biggest 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:23.360 immogrants in the world. They're gonna be the largest, and 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:25.360 the like, that's so great. You should do one h 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:27.439 one bees. I don't like Barners, Like, yeah, we don't 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:29.240 like them either, we need h one bees. Well you 1:08:29.280 --> 1:08:30.679 don't like them, but they were the biggest. 1:08:30.840 --> 1:08:32.800 He was looking at Chamith. I'm sure when he said 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:34.360 I don't like Varners. I'm sure. 1:08:35.000 --> 1:08:37.880 Yeah, I'm sure sure that that was fine. Oh God, 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:40.040 I can't believe, Like this is stay at this is 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:42.080 meant to be Actually, this is a good segue. This 1:08:42.120 --> 1:08:44.479 is meant to be the consumer electronics show. But I 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:47.880 keep running into non consumer like, oh, Eureka Park is 1:08:47.920 --> 1:08:52.880 like full of just meaningful enterprise stuff like sensors and 1:08:53.040 --> 1:08:55.360 like a solar things and like things that when you 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:57.080 look at you want to make a joke at it 1:08:57.160 --> 1:08:59.800 be like, okay, this is a specific center for like, oh, 1:08:59.840 --> 1:09:03.519 it's of wetness sin so for a specific like cleaner 1:09:03.560 --> 1:09:03.960 of something. 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:05.519 It's like a very specific thing. 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:09.759 And then just like a count litter, like a robotic 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:12.040 catlt thing that was not available. 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:14.320 Right, I mean, yeah, I was taking a video of 1:09:14.439 --> 1:09:16.280 just like I was at I was in something that 1:09:16.360 --> 1:09:18.160 had like a whole lot of signs up like it 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:21.519 was a science fair, and and I was I videoed 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:24.400 just like the titles because they were baffling to me. 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:29.800 Fleet management with vision AI nice EDGI meets human touch 1:09:30.000 --> 1:09:33.360 what and then AI Native compute for the IoT. 1:09:34.439 --> 1:09:37.799 These are not consumer products, these are money lending operations. 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:39.160 Yeah, that's just connecting. 1:09:39.360 --> 1:09:42.439 That's just connecting various phrases together to see how many 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:45.160 venture capitalists actually read the things they invest in. 1:09:45.240 --> 1:09:47.680 That's classic CES. Though a few years ago it was 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:53.680 every company was a web three metaverse interactive artificial intelligence 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:55.000 blocked on the blockchain. 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:56.840 My favorite one was one that was just want to 1:09:56.840 --> 1:09:59.080 buy that? Yeah, No, My favorite one was one that 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:02.400 just said, let's say it was called sorb and it 1:10:03.080 --> 1:10:06.760 solve via sorb. Let's just bring this up. Yeah. I saw, 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:10.599 for a second, I thought he's sorb sort solve via 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:14.920 sorb solve your accent is making this specific and this 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:18.160 is really difficult. I just read s sor V solved 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:20.519 via sorb and I will admit I didn't want to 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:22.920 know anything more because mostly to handle it like I 1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:23.960 got I got it. 1:10:24.720 --> 1:10:27.240 My I'm constantly like what do I do? And I 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:30.120 sor right, that's I'm sorbin. 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:33.320 A side note on the accent, this is a completely 1:10:33.400 --> 1:10:37.040 unrelated I'm also dating a British man and I'm dating 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:39.800 a man who is also British, and uh, he tried 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:41.960 to make a joke of what's your source on that? 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:44.680 But he pronounced it, but he was The joke was 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:47.920 what's your sauce on that? But in a British accent, 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:51.479 source and sauce are exactly the same word, like there 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:55.000 is no distinguishing. And I made him say what's your 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:57.679 sauce on that? Probably fifteen times in a rope because 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.560 I was like, I don't understand what the joke is. 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:00.920 I know you are making a joke. 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:03.639 This is like there's the show called p a w 1:11:03.720 --> 1:11:07.439 N Stars. Now here's my problem. If I started saying, yeah, 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:08.599 I was watching porn stars. 1:11:09.080 --> 1:11:15.320 This this, this leads to more questions than answer for 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:18.920 all that the Brits are are king of wordplay in America. 1:11:19.000 --> 1:11:22.080 We've come up with a lot of wordplay that absolutely 1:11:22.240 --> 1:11:23.160 paralyzes you. 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:25.599 Kind and I'm like, yeah, I'm watching porn Stars. There's 1:11:25.600 --> 1:11:27.720 this big guy called Chumley and then there's Rick and 1:11:27.760 --> 1:11:32.160 they're like all right, it's like yeah, one, he's constantly 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:35.200 conning people, and like, whoa, this is some weird porno. 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:36.680 I'm like, no, no is. 1:11:36.760 --> 1:11:40.040 I literally was thinking of pwn Stars like one hundred 1:11:40.040 --> 1:11:42.040 and twenty seconds ago, because when you were talking about 1:11:42.040 --> 1:11:44.640 them sending the one guy from all in, I was like, 1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:46.679 that's like if it was the cast of pawn Stars 1:11:46.680 --> 1:11:48.960 and they only said Chumley. I was like, maybe that's 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:50.240 a joke I should say, And then I let it 1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:51.920 pass because I'm like, yeah, ponn Stars kind of an 1:11:51.920 --> 1:11:52.479 old reference. 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:55.599 And then here you are, yeah right two minutes later. 1:11:55.920 --> 1:11:58.040 Have you ever told anyone added who your favorite character is? 1:11:58.040 --> 1:11:59.240 And then you have to let them know it's the 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:05.320 old Man? Yes, yeah, my brain, it's my favorite porn star. 1:12:06.200 --> 1:12:08.639 Yeah, I like the old man that ows like this 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:12.200 in my porn start. Yeah, it's but every episode of 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:14.599 that show is great because it's just Charlmley being like, yo, 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:19.240 I bought a Corra, a Toyota Corolla for fifteen thousand dollars, 1:12:19.320 --> 1:12:21.519 and then Rick's like, ah, that's terrible, but I scammed 1:12:21.520 --> 1:12:24.360 an old lady out of a fifty million dollar coin 1:12:24.520 --> 1:12:27.639 by giving her three hundred bucks. It's just an evil 1:12:27.680 --> 1:12:29.800 show and I love it. Yeah, but they charge you 1:12:29.840 --> 1:12:31.519 to go in there. Now, they should be on the 1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:35.519 show for why don't Cholmley should just kind of like 1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:38.479 amble through the RecA they charge you to go into 1:12:38.479 --> 1:12:43.880 the actual physical Yeah I've not I've not actually been 1:12:43.960 --> 1:12:46.559 because I think every Vegas resident just stays out of 1:12:46.560 --> 1:12:47.519 the tourist areas. 1:12:47.960 --> 1:12:49.920 But yeah, it's I would love them to come on 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:50.240 the show. 1:12:50.520 --> 1:12:52.599 This is this is back to my pitch about a 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:54.200 CEES fringe festival. 1:12:54.360 --> 1:12:56.439 Yes, we could have ship like yeah, the. 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:59.760 Pond stars guys have have a booth. 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:01.880 Some trying to buy his thoughts up? 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:02.240 Is it? 1:13:02.320 --> 1:13:05.280 Genuinely? I mean a CS fringe festivaloud be kind of 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:08.919 like like XO XO or another like creative tech festival. 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:11.800 You could do something like that nearby and have like 1:13:11.880 --> 1:13:15.240 cool people with like their itch dot io projects. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:17.960 like they're weird, hacky things, you know that would be fun. 1:13:17.800 --> 1:13:20.080 And just like you get the Grandma orb and you 1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:23.840 just fucking blitter ate. You just have a fifty cow 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:26.000 rifle that you unload into a computer. 1:13:26.400 --> 1:13:27.720 Okay, this is actually. 1:13:27.760 --> 1:13:30.120 Like a rage room for you can go to CES 1:13:30.200 --> 1:13:31.720 and then there's a rage room with all of the 1:13:31.800 --> 1:13:33.120 products at CES. 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:33.679 Yeah. 1:13:33.720 --> 1:13:34.400 You then get to. 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:36.080 Walking around the shopping like, do you mind if I 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:36.519 shoot this? 1:13:36.800 --> 1:13:36.920 Like? 1:13:36.960 --> 1:13:37.479 What what? 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:40.559 I just want to I want to state for the record, 1:13:40.600 --> 1:13:44.800 if any listener decides to start a CEES fringe, you 1:13:44.840 --> 1:13:46.920 have to you have to credit me as a co creator. 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:49.080 Oh okay, okay, but they don't have to pay you. 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:52.280 I would maybe, Okay, that would get too expensive. 1:13:52.400 --> 1:13:52.960 It's your ip. 1:13:53.320 --> 1:13:56.000 It's developed here on the show. 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:58.080 Developed on bet rough Line and thus owned by iHeart 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:01.240 Radio this fun. Yes, No, the ideas on the show 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:05.519 are owned by I think me. I haven't really checked anyway. No, 1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:07.599 it's it's such a peculiar show and I don't want 1:14:07.600 --> 1:14:10.360 to repeat myself and just it's useless, but it is. 1:14:10.960 --> 1:14:15.040 There are less cameras, dildos and batteries companies, which is disappointing, 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:18.640 And there are less practical, like I've been looking for 1:14:18.720 --> 1:14:21.639 anchor a n K E R. Right, they're like my favorite, 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:23.480 Like I got big fucking ankor battery. 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:26.000 Make a lot of mobile chargers and stuff. 1:14:25.840 --> 1:14:29.040 Mobile chargers and stuff like I like them. Can't find 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:31.920 no like. And it's funny the description of the useful 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:35.639 products so far stuff that exists still like a battery 1:14:35.680 --> 1:14:37.000 for girls, like. 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:38.479 That's that's new that doesn't exist? 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:40.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, because a woman, if you try and 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:41.880 picked up this battery. 1:14:41.560 --> 1:14:43.760 It's too heavy, you'd be like, whoa. 1:14:43.479 --> 1:14:50.840 I go, arms, mister, can you live this really? Thank you? 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:53.920 I don't like this one because it's black, but if 1:14:53.920 --> 1:14:56.200 it had flowers on it, then I'd love it. Then 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:57.120 I go, that's for me. 1:14:57.720 --> 1:14:59.799 The little mirror on it you can check your makeup 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:01.080 so you could look at. 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:02.479 Yourself, because women do that. 1:15:02.800 --> 1:15:03.759 I love mirror. 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:08.479 You could get so far at this show. 1:15:09.840 --> 1:15:13.280 Yeah, but as a man, I prefer to have a hologram. 1:15:12.720 --> 1:15:16.160 Wife who I will say, okay, not to be all 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:20.360 a woman about it. The wife tube, I was you 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:20.800 gonna have? 1:15:20.880 --> 1:15:22.160 You could put a man in the tube. 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:24.960 And does anyone which one? 1:15:25.560 --> 1:15:26.360 The razor one? 1:15:27.880 --> 1:15:30.639 Yeah, Volksori was saying there's a man with tattoos you can. 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:31.040 Put an Yeah. 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:33.200 So I don't remember if we even talked about this 1:15:33.240 --> 1:15:34.040 when I was on last time. 1:15:34.720 --> 1:15:35.599 We should keep talking. 1:15:35.439 --> 1:15:38.160 About the Okay, so the Razor one is the Project 1:15:39.240 --> 1:15:41.040 Koto or something like that. 1:15:41.360 --> 1:15:44.000 No, that's the headphones, Project Ava is the is the 1:15:44.160 --> 1:15:45.040 wife in the tube? 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:45.400 Oh? 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:46.320 No, you're right, you're right. 1:15:47.200 --> 1:15:51.599 I was just really project You are correct. 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:55.200 Yes, I'm glad you're on this, thank you, because I'm not. 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:59.519 But there are weirder ones because because the the Razor one, 1:15:59.720 --> 1:16:02.200 actually do they showed it to you, right, so they 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:04.760 were like actual I wouldn't use it, but they were 1:16:04.840 --> 1:16:08.080 there were actual use case applications like and you can 1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:08.360 put a. 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:11.519 Guy in a yeah, and like you're. 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:13.120 Playing you're playing a video game and you're like, oh, 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:16.280 is this the best uh you know configuration for my character? 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:20.280 And no one does. But that at least is like 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:21.479 an idea they got. 1:16:21.840 --> 1:16:21.960 There. 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:26.200 There's one that I saw from a company called They've 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:29.599 Got an Idea. I mean that's that's yes, they got 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:35.479 an idea. They got an idea. 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:40.400 I guess alternative tubes. 1:16:40.520 --> 1:16:44.439 Yes, So so this company Lempro has this is this 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:47.440 tube called amy, and it's not as good as a hologram, 1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:49.840 but it's still You put a woman in a box, 1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:52.080 which is weird. A tiny woman in a box is 1:16:52.080 --> 1:16:54.400 a big thing now, apparently because a lot of companies 1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:54.960 want to do this. 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:59.080 It's very weird video. But the whole, the whole. 1:16:58.840 --> 1:17:02.200 Purpose of the a me from lempro seems to be 1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:06.519 not AI assistant or any ideas like that. It's simply 1:17:07.000 --> 1:17:09.240 you're a lonely guy and you want to talk to 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:11.679 this woman, and you. 1:17:11.640 --> 1:17:13.960 Don't have a woman trapping a woman. 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:16.960 You don't want her to be full sized, right, and 1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:18.879 you don't want her to be able to go anywhere. 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:21.759 Because they were they were they were talking about it 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:26.400 as an AI companion, and my colleague at Mashable was 1:17:26.479 --> 1:17:28.880 doing a video on it, holding the device talking about it, 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:30.879 said you know, if you need a friend, I guess, 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:34.240 And while he's saying friend, the little woman in the 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:37.800 box starts literally like gyrating her body as if she's 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:40.439 like doing a strip tease. And I had to be like, buddy, 1:17:40.439 --> 1:17:42.040 I don't think she's meant to be your friend. 1:17:42.160 --> 1:17:45.559 I mean, have you ever wanted the experience of thinking 1:17:45.560 --> 1:17:48.240 a strip a fell in love? With you every day, right, And. 1:17:48.200 --> 1:17:50.559 It's it's because listen, I I don't want to put 1:17:50.560 --> 1:17:53.320 a stigma on sex text. Yes they did that years ago. 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:54.960 We already talked about jack and right. 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:58.360 But but like, this doesn't feel like sex tech. This 1:17:58.439 --> 1:18:01.400 feels like gooner. I don't know, it doesn't feel like 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:06.280 something that like is normal even for like what people 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:08.200 should be experiencing sexual. 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:11.240 In order to wanna have it socially, you need to 1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:15.960 be socially stunted in a way that other people perceive 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:17.880 as on you. Like I remember what I was a 1:18:17.920 --> 1:18:20.599 nerd and I grew up around other nerds and then 1:18:20.640 --> 1:18:22.559 occasionally I remember, now he's. 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:23.559 A cool, Yeah, now he's cool. 1:18:23.600 --> 1:18:25.320 I remember me like sixteen, and one of my friends 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:27.760 would say something about about women where I'm like, oh, 1:18:27.800 --> 1:18:31.080 you really don't see them as people and not in 1:18:31.160 --> 1:18:34.599 like even a You feel so pathetic internally, you have 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:37.639 so little ability to communicate that you sort of see 1:18:37.640 --> 1:18:40.320 it as you see another person as as being a 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:45.160 stimulus producing machine for your purpose. And there are people 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:48.519 like that, and you you to buy one of these products. 1:18:48.640 --> 1:18:50.880 You have to. That's how you have to see other people. 1:18:51.240 --> 1:18:53.679 You have You have to be like really mentally socially, 1:18:53.760 --> 1:18:56.200 emotionally like disabled in a way. 1:18:56.360 --> 1:18:58.599 Yeah, and I just want to I want to sort 1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:00.679 of plant a flag very firmly. And we don't even 1:19:00.680 --> 1:19:02.800 have to analyze this, but just sort of like for 1:19:03.080 --> 1:19:08.759 posterity's sake, the sort of the broadest and most most 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:13.439 foundational symbology of a technology where it says, here's a 1:19:13.560 --> 1:19:16.719 little woman that lives in a box on your desk 1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:19.800 is just sort of every sentence, every word in that 1:19:19.800 --> 1:19:25.840 scene explaining worse and worse and worse for gender dynamics. 1:19:24.960 --> 1:19:31.080 It really does symbolize somebody who doesn't see women as. 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:31.639 Equals, right. 1:19:31.760 --> 1:19:34.080 I mean one of the one of the recommended demo 1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:37.559 like uh commands you were they they told you to try, 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:40.799 was to go up to the box and say dance 1:19:40.880 --> 1:19:44.599 for me. I mean that that alone is very weird, 1:19:44.640 --> 1:19:48.760 like pretty damning. And for people who use this tea 1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:49.479 of the Hut? 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:52.040 Do you want do you want to be like jab 1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:52.519 of the Hut? 1:19:53.600 --> 1:19:59.280 I had a long dude, show me, Oh that's good. 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:08.320 No, do like I like it? 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:11.519 Oh my god? But also I hate to ask, but 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:15.479 how what was the woman white and thin? 1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:16.400 By any chance? 1:20:16.520 --> 1:20:18.560 There were there were a few women. 1:20:19.000 --> 1:20:20.800 Many women to trap, but you could you could pretty 1:20:20.880 --> 1:20:21.240 much guess. 1:20:21.320 --> 1:20:24.080 Yes, there was like a white like a blonde white 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:30.080 school girl, and then a a like, uh, like a 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:33.120 Japanese woman dressed in like traditional Japanese garb. But you 1:20:33.160 --> 1:20:35.120 know the type of it's really bad. 1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:36.639 Yeah, it's really really. 1:20:37.000 --> 1:20:40.400 Making it for me. Actually making it anime makes it 1:20:40.479 --> 1:20:42.719 slightly more palable because. 1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:43.719 There but it's not anime. 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:44.960 Oh, it's not anime. 1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:47.120 It's it's just a white school girl. 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:48.040 It's just people. 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:52.840 They're not real, they're not like human models. They are 1:20:52.880 --> 1:20:56.679 sort of like cartoony, but it is like anime style. 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:58.599 But I was gonna say there' stuff like gen Should 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:02.160 Impact where people like collect their favorite characters they find 1:21:02.200 --> 1:21:05.439 them sexy. Both women and men do this, and it's 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:08.639 like it's a little it's sort of like fun fantasy land. 1:21:08.800 --> 1:21:10.720 And I can see a version of this product that 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:13.640 like appeals to the Genchin Impact player were like the 1:21:13.640 --> 1:21:15.400 average person might be like, that's kind of weird, but 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:16.920 I don't enough people who do it where I'm like, 1:21:16.960 --> 1:21:18.760 you can do it in a fun way, but like 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:23.879 in general, as ghost is a companion, which is bad. 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:26.320 Right, Like the Raison one. You said, like the model 1:21:26.360 --> 1:21:28.759 of the woman in there was like an anime character. 1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:30.680 It was like a known I don't know who she was, 1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:32.960 but it was a known person. And while she might 1:21:33.000 --> 1:21:35.439 have been dressed like provocatively, it was the character. But 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:39.479 also there's no actions that add to that that that 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:44.320 that that at all her characters. I agree, but I'm 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:47.800 just trying to differentiate the two products. This one, this 1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:51.960 one is great. They were they were they were stressed 1:21:52.000 --> 1:21:56.680 that way and then acting out ways you would fantasize someone. 1:21:56.640 --> 1:21:58.680 And not wait, are you saying the Razor one is 1:21:58.680 --> 1:21:59.280 a real character? 1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:01.360 Is a character that in the worst Yeah? And then 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:01.840 these are not. 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:05.120 These are just the AI companion creations. 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:06.880 And you think about it and you're like, you know, 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:10.640 these people you have when you're designing a companion, you 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:14.880 have a literal infinite number of human characters who you 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:18.040 could you know, like, why not pick a sixty five 1:22:18.120 --> 1:22:20.320 year old lady bus driver in the Bronx? 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:21.000 Why not? 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:22.120 Honestly, why not? 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:23.519 But this is what I'm saying. 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:25.320 But the reason that you are laughing at this, and look, 1:22:25.320 --> 1:22:27.040 I'm saying that it's not sexual, But. 1:22:27.000 --> 1:22:31.120 The reason that I'm laughing want me Streep in a box. 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:32.000 I'm going to be honest. 1:22:32.439 --> 1:22:37.320 I want to fuck Meryl Streep. No, okay, what if 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:39.519 I just want to talk shop with Meryl Streep about 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:40.920 her film career and a little box. 1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:42.080 But I'm going to be honest. 1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:43.960 Some of the best conversations I've ever had have been 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.400 with like random old people at airports, Like a few 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:48.040 years ago, I was out of random. I forget where. 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:50.720 I was like maybe sort Lake City or regardless. I 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:52.120 just talked to this guy next to me and he 1:22:52.160 --> 1:22:54.479 was a former NFL player from like the sixties or 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:55.280 set like it was before. 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:56.840 It was like a high paying job just. 1:22:56.840 --> 1:22:58.600 Chat ship for half an hour. Have we kind of 1:22:58.640 --> 1:23:00.000 talked about this and I was like, yeah, I'm going 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:01.559 through some shit right now. I'm like, we had an 1:23:01.560 --> 1:23:04.840 honest conversation that was probably like icon imagine that. 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:06.599 Was more socially hewing and. 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:09.439 As far as like, yeah, to your point, executly sorry, 1:23:09.479 --> 1:23:13.040 it means tokoby, and it's like the actual woman, No, 1:23:13.320 --> 1:23:16.120 they're going to get me for this. But the loneliness thing, 1:23:16.280 --> 1:23:20.960 the isolation isn't solved by sex, and like immediately placing 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:23.320 women in this situation where they are the solution to 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:27.639 men's problems is put to its male loneliness. Bullshit. It's 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:30.600 claiming that women are somehow the solution to men not 1:23:30.680 --> 1:23:32.320 seeking introspection and companionship. 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:35.599 And what's funny is that it's not even woman is 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:39.000 the solution, because there's a there's a sixty five year 1:23:39.040 --> 1:23:42.559 old bronx bus who would not count as the solution. 1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:46.720 What it is is there is a there is a 1:23:46.760 --> 1:23:54.639 specific checklist of a woman's weight, facial beauty, and social 1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:58.240 subservience that are supposed to that are supposed to fit 1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:03.760 into into this very narrow range of measurements, and that 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:07.800 woman then owes service to man who is lonely. Yep, 1:24:08.200 --> 1:24:09.760 and I want to be I want to be like 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:15.599 as fair as possible. So say a man is very 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:18.839 lonely a man, a man lives a very isolated life 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:22.920 and goes I can see a use for an AI 1:24:23.040 --> 1:24:26.920 companion as a like a social like fill the hole 1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:28.519 that is in my life that I can't figure out 1:24:28.520 --> 1:24:31.160 another way to fill that. Maybe we would say, hey, 1:24:31.360 --> 1:24:33.800 what do you like? Do you like chess? Go find 1:24:33.840 --> 1:24:36.240 a once a week chess or once a month chest night. 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:38.200 Hey do you like I don't know whatever. 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:40.719 There's chess playing robots that will solve that problem. 1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:43.120 You don't know what to talk to me about, right that, Like, 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:45.799 I understand that there are people who live an incredibly 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:48.479 isolated life that I would maybe look at it and go, 1:24:48.640 --> 1:24:51.960 there are ways to solve this. There are analogue, human 1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:54.000 to human ways to solve this and to take baby 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:54.639 steps forward. 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:58.639 Sure, of course, I mean I think that that's the solution, and. 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:00.559 I'll be all but like I can imagine somebody who 1:25:00.560 --> 1:25:03.840 goes that kind of human facing solution is impossible for me. 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:07.080 I cannot imagine leaving my apartment. I cannot imagine going 1:25:07.080 --> 1:25:09.840 to a chestnight, I cannot imagine whatever insert Sure, fine, okay, 1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:12.200 So I'm trying to like be as fair as possible. 1:25:11.840 --> 1:25:13.799 Have as much as much empathy as possible. 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:17.320 And and this person, first of all, the idea that 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:20.040 this person doesn't have inherent Sorry I'm really on my 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:22.599 soop box now, this is but the idea that that 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:26.320 person doesn't already it like, hasn't already been inherently soaked 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:33.280 in sexist assumptions and standards and and a view inherently 1:25:33.360 --> 1:25:35.920 of women as unequal, because that is we all I 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:37.960 view women as an unequal because that is the water 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:39.559 that we swim in, that is how we live, that 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:41.439 is how that is how we are socialized. So like, 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:46.040 those assumptions already exist in all of us, and particularly 1:25:46.080 --> 1:25:47.000 in this isolated person. 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:49.080 But again I'm. 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:51.479 Being as fair as possible say that those assumptions are 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:55.040 not actually surface level, they're inherent. They they operate in 1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:58.200 how we make subconscious judgments. But this person is not, 1:25:59.000 --> 1:26:02.400 you know, sort of like outright a sexist. They buy 1:26:03.520 --> 1:26:08.920 wife in a tube and suddenly there, if we're assuming 1:26:08.920 --> 1:26:12.680 that they're pretty isolated, suddenly they're a huge bulk of 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:18.480 their interaction with what feels like a human is Japanese 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:21.240 lady in a kimono, well, who probably has big hits 1:26:21.280 --> 1:26:22.040 under that kimono. 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:23.799 Good for you know, like a good. 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:28.360 Is that it's like that Suddenly it becomes your only 1:26:28.479 --> 1:26:34.120 interaction with with the concept of a woman, or or 1:26:34.160 --> 1:26:37.200 the vast majority of your interaction with the concept of 1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:41.519 a woman like that inherently is going to poison how 1:26:41.600 --> 1:26:45.080 you interact with your interactions with gender. 1:26:45.720 --> 1:26:48.000 And I just like that. 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:51.400 That to me, that is my fairest take where where 1:26:51.640 --> 1:26:55.360 where I'm not saying it's evil at the top. I'm sorry, 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:57.360 it's like evil at the out from the outset. I 1:26:57.360 --> 1:27:00.160 think the product is evil from the outset, but the 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:02.240 person doesn't necessarily have to be like fucked up from 1:27:02.280 --> 1:27:02.799 the outset. 1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:04.840 But I just think this product is going to heat 1:27:04.920 --> 1:27:06.760 to I want to write, I want to add one 1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:09.600 thing to that, which is it also inherently connects loneliness 1:27:09.640 --> 1:27:12.880 with sex and physical validation, because it's like, why isn't 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:15.800 a guy like why do you have to have a 1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:20.040 woman you are attracted to to solve your loneliness? Why 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:22.720 is your companion by default the opposite sex and I 1:27:22.760 --> 1:27:25.000 assume validating how you look and telling you you're a 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:27.760 Why is that? Because that is not because that's where 1:27:27.760 --> 1:27:30.720 it gets into the like woman subservience thing for me. 1:27:30.680 --> 1:27:33.679 As well, because it's service. 1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:36.240 That's that's because all these all these all these products 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:40.080 aren't solved if your issue is solving your your social problem, 1:27:40.680 --> 1:27:44.040 none of these no tech product is going to Yes, 1:27:44.200 --> 1:27:47.400 but the whole point we're or like exposing like exposure 1:27:47.439 --> 1:27:50.160 to the outside world, right, Like you, if you have 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:53.120 a problem socializing with people, then the way you fix 1:27:53.200 --> 1:27:56.720 that is by forcing yourself to socialize with people like 1:27:56.960 --> 1:27:59.680 Tech can't by definition fixed that because Tech is not 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:00.240 a person. 1:28:00.400 --> 1:28:02.360 And I mean I used to be a very awkward 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:05.000 but like even like you're not chloyed, but he's cool now, 1:28:05.000 --> 1:28:07.920 but I'm cool and no I am not. But it's like, 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:11.280 and it took having to have some very harsh conversations 1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:14.200 with myself and my therapist and just accepting that, like, yeah, 1:28:14.320 --> 1:28:18.360 I was awkward, I was not thoughtful about my conversation style, 1:28:18.400 --> 1:28:20.720 and I was just hated myself and didn't think I 1:28:20.800 --> 1:28:23.360 was human. Yeah, I'm being to fucking therapy now. It's great, 1:28:23.400 --> 1:28:26.920 but it's solving that would not be someone validating my 1:28:27.080 --> 1:28:29.519 every whim. You kind of need to hurt a little 1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:33.759 bit because no one's perfect. But it's like saying, oh, yeah, 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:36.599 a sexy wifu in a tube is your prisoner now, 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:39.080 and now you won't be lonely because the prison wife 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:40.360 is yours and. 1:28:40.280 --> 1:28:43.240 I can and again like being as fair as possible, 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:46.879 giving giving as much credit to the other perspectives as possible. 1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:50.920 I can imagine somebody saying when you're saying, like, I 1:28:50.920 --> 1:28:54.040 don't want the solution to be loneliness, to be inherently 1:28:54.080 --> 1:28:57.240 tied to romance. I agree at a philosophical level, but 1:28:57.280 --> 1:29:00.839 I can imagine that from a pragmatic view, a huge 1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:03.240 amount of very lonely people are like, yeah, I would 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:04.439 love to be in love. 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:05.200 There's a lot. 1:29:05.240 --> 1:29:08.719 Isn't solve it. It doesn't solve If you hate yourself 1:29:08.760 --> 1:29:10.800 and you meet someone and you have sex with them, 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:13.400 and you're with them and you still fucking hate yourself, 1:29:13.520 --> 1:29:16.680 you are going to become dependent on that one and 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.200 you are going to be a fucking You're going to 1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:20.240 be a tumor on them. 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:29.240 It's just I hate It's that sucks, Chloe. 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:32.000 My autism is such I genuinely don't think about your 1:29:32.000 --> 1:29:34.280 both ever. And you know, I'm like the one person 1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:39.040 Wait my favorite Oh no, it's sucking rocks. 1:29:39.320 --> 1:29:40.760 It's the store anyway. 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:44.120 No, no, Claire, Chloe. She's got a big birthmark for 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:47.880 those who are just hearing her via audio. Look, it is, 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:51.559 first of all, the loneliness. The loneliness epidemic is real. 1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:55.160 It does kill people. It's like the discourse about it whatever, 1:29:55.240 --> 1:29:58.800 but like it is a real problem. It's also like 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:02.400 evidence of such a deep distortion in our society that 1:30:02.479 --> 1:30:05.600 we have it because the thing that we have the 1:30:05.720 --> 1:30:08.280 most of in the world is other people. 1:30:08.479 --> 1:30:10.400 Yes, we go too many. 1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:13.599 We are literally the most second only to other chickens. 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:17.280 And the whole idea of replacing people with technology at 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:20.320 all is insane because we've got eight billion of us 1:30:20.439 --> 1:30:22.799 up from six billion when I was in like high school. 1:30:23.200 --> 1:30:26.439 And guess what, they're cheap, Like you want one in America, 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:28.120 you can get one for seven bucks an hour and 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:30.000 they'll do whatever the fuck you want, you know, Like 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:34.840 that's and by the way, even when it comes to 1:30:35.360 --> 1:30:38.559 like companionship, right, there's a role for people to do 1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:41.960 that commercially. I'm friends with women who are sex workers, 1:30:42.000 --> 1:30:44.760 and they see at least a couple of them as like, look, 1:30:44.760 --> 1:30:46.680 there's guys who like they need love and sex. It's 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:49.320 a human need. They like have their neurodivergent or have 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:51.720 some other issue in such a way, and I can 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:54.280 provide a service and they get something out of it. 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:57.639 It's reciprocry. That's the best version of it, right, et cetera. 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:01.160 I could go into but like that's a real that's 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:04.519 a real that's a uh, that's like an occupation that 1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:08.280 stigmatized in our society. Yeah, but like it's a real 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:11.840 thing that a human could do better. Un Yeah, the 1:31:11.880 --> 1:31:13.519 idea that we're replacing people as insane. 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:15.519 Yeah. There is a difference, though, I think between like 1:31:15.680 --> 1:31:20.840 the the loneliness epidemic and like the socialization problem. Like 1:31:20.880 --> 1:31:22.880 there were guys who have plenty of friends just have 1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:24.640 trouble with women, so they go to sex workers, and 1:31:24.680 --> 1:31:27.000 that's that's fine, and hopefully they don't you know, they 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:29.880 are normal people other than that. But you know, but 1:31:29.920 --> 1:31:32.880 the socialization thing, these people who aren't even thinking about, 1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:36.800 you know, interacting with another woman even for pay like this. 1:31:37.040 --> 1:31:39.920 These are people who who just want to control something 1:31:40.000 --> 1:31:43.000 because they don't even want to. I don't think they 1:31:43.000 --> 1:31:44.880 want to fix the socialization problem, because why would you 1:31:44.960 --> 1:31:46.960 buy a woman in a box? If you're like, I'm 1:31:46.960 --> 1:31:49.040 socially awkward, I need to talk to someone. That doesn't 1:31:49.080 --> 1:31:51.439 solve your issue. That's not even something that gets you 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:52.400 in that direction in my. 1:31:52.360 --> 1:31:56.360 Opinion, I just I don't think it doesn't involve any introspection, right, 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:59.160 it's just about I got a thing that kind of 1:31:59.200 --> 1:32:01.400 solves the problem so that I don't have to think 1:32:01.400 --> 1:32:03.000 about solving the problem. 1:32:03.160 --> 1:32:06.000 Right, Like many people online like that's a fairly new thing. 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:08.920 And you know what, it solved a lot you Actually 1:32:09.040 --> 1:32:13.080 it's technology. You use technology to actually enhance your real life, 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:13.960 your your real work. 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:16.519 Every single person in this room who has been on 1:32:16.560 --> 1:32:20.120 this show, including Phil, who I've known for fourteen years, 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:23.080 I know through the Internet, right, every single fucking one. 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:27.400 I'm like the drill crying tweet. It's like my beautiful 1:32:27.400 --> 1:32:30.040 wife crying, my job, crying, my watch, crying. Now get 1:32:30.040 --> 1:32:32.440 the fuck out of my office. But that with the Internet, 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:35.439 and it's like, it is difficult. I'm not pretending like 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:38.559 loneliness isn't like a thing, but I fuck it. I 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:41.280 resent the male loneliness thing because women get lonely too, 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:44.160 and they solve it in a vastly different way. And 1:32:44.200 --> 1:32:48.320 there's not just a series of different cons set up 1:32:48.320 --> 1:32:49.120 to corn a woman. 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:50.160 It's being like you want. 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:52.320 A husband tube, right, you want that? Do you want 1:32:52.320 --> 1:32:53.080 the man tube? 1:32:53.080 --> 1:32:55.320 There is none, right, there's nothing that no one putting 1:32:55.320 --> 1:32:56.080 in a guy in a box. 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:58.040 That's no one saying that because women have put in 1:32:58.080 --> 1:32:59.800 a position where them it's work them meant to fucking 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:02.160 work out. Women have to fucking work out women And 1:33:02.240 --> 1:33:04.120 tell it's your fucking fool lonely? Why are you? 1:33:04.400 --> 1:33:05.200 Why are you too emotional? 1:33:05.240 --> 1:33:05.560 Why this? 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:06.040 Why are you that? 1:33:06.400 --> 1:33:09.160 Fucking just it pisses me off because it's like these 1:33:09.200 --> 1:33:13.120 whindy fucking men who are like, oh, yeah, I'm fucking 1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:16.720 loneli and also I'm gonna become racist and it's just 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:20.080 fuck hot. I'm sorry. I have some very spicy feelings 1:33:20.080 --> 1:33:22.040 about this because I went through the actual work and 1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:23.559 it was very difficult and annoying. 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:26.000 I agree. I fully agree with you. I think, you know, 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:29.160 I don't think they consider the fact that women are 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:33.479 are can be lonely, like it's not because in a 1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:36.599 lonely guy's world they think, and you see this online 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:38.439 all the time because you could see how angry they 1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:41.000 get when oh, a woman decides to like start an 1:33:41.040 --> 1:33:42.960 only fans and they are successful and they make money 1:33:43.000 --> 1:33:45.360 doing that. They're like, oh, it's so easy for women. 1:33:45.680 --> 1:33:47.840 They just go out there and they could talk to anybody, 1:33:47.880 --> 1:33:49.760 and every guy will want to talk with them. And 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:52.040 it's like, you know, but you could just go out 1:33:52.040 --> 1:33:53.880 there and talk to what's nothing. 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:56.040 Stopping Oh I'm going to say something really out there. 1:33:56.439 --> 1:33:59.000 Every guy who says that get on only fans start 1:33:59.040 --> 1:34:02.719 selling pictures of your car. I'm serious, I'm actually fucking serious. 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:09.599 Who they would never there because gay is bad? Because 1:34:09.800 --> 1:34:12.520 why is gay bad? Because it is close to women. 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:16.120 It's feminine. You can possibly look at a man's penis 1:34:16.880 --> 1:34:17.760 might turn gay. 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:21.920 Yeah, I mean, it's it's just comes down to the 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:26.800 like such foundational views. It's the it's the it's the 1:34:26.840 --> 1:34:30.920 most foundational framing of women in society, which is women 1:34:31.200 --> 1:34:35.760 are uh there to be consumed and men are there 1:34:35.800 --> 1:34:41.120 to consume. Yeah, And it's so deeply fucked up, and 1:34:41.160 --> 1:34:45.040 it holds, it kills, It kills women and arguably it 1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:46.599 kills men. 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:49.559 Yeah, thank you Adam for staking the men. 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:54.000 Well, you know, I think that the point you make 1:34:54.080 --> 1:34:55.720 is you guys can you can go and talk to 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:58.519 anybody and the time is true to me, It's it's 1:34:58.560 --> 1:35:02.160 similar to a lot of other social problems like you know, 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:05.519 poor nutrition, people being in poor shape, not exercising right. Yes, 1:35:05.560 --> 1:35:09.200 anyone can eat better and jog or whatever. And also 1:35:09.680 --> 1:35:12.680 some people grow up in an environment where everything that 1:35:12.720 --> 1:35:15.519 they're ever told, every product they ever purchased, their entire 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:18.400 environment is pushing them away from doing that thing, and 1:35:18.400 --> 1:35:20.680 they just never get around to it. So like my 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:23.920 dad has no friends, my mom has twenty friends, not 1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:25.840 because my dad's a piece of shit, just that's the 1:35:25.840 --> 1:35:28.760 way American society is structured. And so yes, my dad 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:32.559 has a responsibility. And also society can look at this 1:35:32.640 --> 1:35:34.639 overall problem. But what the fuck are we doing wrong 1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:39.040 here that's causing this like demographic problem. And the answer 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:41.760 is not wife who's in tubes? The answer is like 1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:44.479 connecting people with other people vices? 1:35:44.560 --> 1:35:46.960 But also is is your dad lonely? Like there's some 1:35:46.960 --> 1:35:47.679 people who's. 1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:51.519 Prefer actually just my father, my family. 1:35:51.600 --> 1:35:53.600 Like for it to be a socialization problem, you have 1:35:53.680 --> 1:35:58.520 to be a lonely guy who's upset you're alone, you feeling. 1:35:57.920 --> 1:36:00.799 Like you're alone and not trying to change that, right. 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:02.800 Right, right, because because if there are people who are 1:36:02.840 --> 1:36:05.680 completely content being isolated, and they don't view themselves as that, 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:07.640 but like you know, they prefer to stay in then 1:36:07.680 --> 1:36:09.600 go out and hang out or party like they like 1:36:09.640 --> 1:36:12.639 their time to themselves, and that's completely fine. But there's 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:16.479 people who are inside and are angry they're inside and alone, 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:17.360 and that's the difference. 1:36:17.400 --> 1:36:17.679 I think. 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:19.640 So yeah, so I hate to do this. 1:36:19.720 --> 1:36:22.439 We're going to rotate again coming up and ad for 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:23.960 men and women. 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:24.840 Whoa like. 1:36:26.880 --> 1:36:29.000 They got them for both birds and the fellers. 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:44.320 Now, wow, we're in the fourth quarter and I haven't 1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:46.800 had any war. That's actually true. I have not drunk 1:36:46.840 --> 1:36:49.320 a drop of war. I think I've had eleven diet code. 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:50.479 Do you have a bottle of water? 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:51.040 Next? 1:36:51.200 --> 1:36:54.960 Yeah, it's mostly I just like to sit with it. Okay, 1:36:55.000 --> 1:36:57.760 we're back's better offline and we'd talk about my lonely 1:36:57.760 --> 1:36:58.360 this epidemic. 1:36:58.400 --> 1:37:00.240 I guess we're back. And of course with a meeting 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:02.200 an actress Chloe Radcliffe. 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:05.360 We will let you do your plagues plags. Do your plags. Yeah, 1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:08.400 you plagues plagues at the end, and you, of course 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:11.559 Adam Connor a stand up comedian, Hello, and of course 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:13.800 the host of the Factory broadcast. And we're actually joined 1:37:13.800 --> 1:37:17.040 by Ben, my good mate Ben Rudolph is there, CEO 1:37:17.200 --> 1:37:18.000 of Cartographic. 1:37:18.000 --> 1:37:19.599 And you did fifteen years at Microsoft. 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:20.280 I sure did. 1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:22.240 You did the poff of Windows Vista. 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:24.720 You were saying, enterprise pr for Windows Vista the worst 1:37:24.760 --> 1:37:25.479 job in the company. 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:28.160 But it's honestly though, that's the most poff thing. 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:28.400 You like. 1:37:28.439 --> 1:37:30.559 You all always have one. Yeah, you have one thing. 1:37:30.920 --> 1:37:33.519 I made it though you made it and you're still smiling. 1:37:33.800 --> 1:37:36.759 I'm here, but that's like, it's Jermaine's what we're talking about, 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:39.920 like positive male role models, positive male discussions. Because I 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:41.599 brought you, because you're a good mate and we've done 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:44.040 a lot, like we're friends online and you've talked to 1:37:44.080 --> 1:37:46.719 me about fitness and being like you've genuinely changed my life, 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:49.440 like helping me build a workout routine. 1:37:49.640 --> 1:37:51.479 This so like you. My relationship with you. 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:55.240 Solved more male loneliness than any like romantic relationship have ever. 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:59.760 Are you Are you a fitness coach? 1:38:00.200 --> 1:38:01.960 Are you just for no? 1:38:02.360 --> 1:38:03.559 Not really no at all. 1:38:04.080 --> 1:38:05.639 He's just and just to give you a Nightea. Ben 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:07.679 is fucking like jacked. It's awesome. 1:38:08.320 --> 1:38:11.680 I'm trying every day and to get a little bit more, 1:38:11.760 --> 1:38:12.360 a little bit more. 1:38:12.439 --> 1:38:13.160 Yea, yeah, no I'm not. 1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:15.360 I'm not a fitness coach at all. I uh, I 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:17.840 love lifting weights. I try and keep myself in shape. 1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:21.280 I've got nine kids, so yeah, so I had a 1:38:21.320 --> 1:38:23.880 lot of people who are dependent on me lift up. 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:28.639 It's a lot of exactly and not a functional fitness 1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:31.400 Oh but seriously, like it's great for my health. It's 1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:32.280 great for my mental health. 1:38:32.479 --> 1:38:33.280 Yeah, it's great for my. 1:38:33.240 --> 1:38:36.759 Family, you know, and like you d like, it solves 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:40.719 as many mental challenges for me as it does physical challenges, 1:38:40.760 --> 1:38:42.120 So like it's not a career for me. It's just 1:38:42.120 --> 1:38:45.240 something I really enjoy doing. And it's so deeply ingrained 1:38:45.280 --> 1:38:48.800 into my day to day routine that I really can't 1:38:48.920 --> 1:38:50.280 imagine living without it. 1:38:50.439 --> 1:38:53.840 Yeah, And we met over X the Everything app and 1:38:54.280 --> 1:38:57.080 The Ultimate Post the Championship with the You Me Caleb 1:38:57.120 --> 1:39:00.200 and Tachiana, and we just talked fitness and like, ick 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:03.280 up my body real bad doing connected fitness stuff. Actually, 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:05.640 who was like fight Camp and Tonal and I was 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:07.360 lifting real hard. I was not in a good place 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:09.000 and I kind of went to bed. I'm like this 1:39:09.080 --> 1:39:11.400 keeps happening and I keep getting this pain. And Ben 1:39:11.520 --> 1:39:13.960 just sends me a video of him and his son. 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:15.360 He's like, I'm gonna show you how to throw a punch, 1:39:15.400 --> 1:39:17.320 and it was lovely, like someone's like you ready, and 1:39:17.360 --> 1:39:20.120 he just threw this perfect like spiral punch and went, wow, 1:39:20.120 --> 1:39:23.559 I've been punching wrong for several months because you need 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:26.040 to like rotate your hips and such. And it's just 1:39:26.080 --> 1:39:28.840 like It's one of the things I cherish because it's 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:31.519 like a wonderful relationship over the internet, for sure, a 1:39:31.520 --> 1:39:35.400 wonderful positive thing based with talking to another bloke about 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:38.120 something positive. And I think it's really easy to dilute 1:39:38.160 --> 1:39:40.719 a lot of loneliness to well, I need a female 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:43.280 or a romantic companion. I need someone to make me 1:39:43.320 --> 1:39:46.080 feel better about myself versus helping me along a journey 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:49.479 where I do that work while someone inspires me. Because 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:52.280 you're cute and you've done you always post the ones 1:39:52.280 --> 1:39:55.040 where've got like eighty nine inch by SEPs Us whatever, 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:57.240 I think it's lovely. And also I'm saying, if you're 1:39:57.240 --> 1:39:59.200 listening to this as a man and you're saying, oh, 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:01.479 I'm lonely, as go and talk to another fella, ask 1:40:01.560 --> 1:40:04.000 him how he's feeling, talk to him about how you feel, 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:06.400 don't fucking say I need the wife tube. 1:40:06.760 --> 1:40:11.040 And now I do think, Okay, so again I'm trying. 1:40:11.280 --> 1:40:16.080 I'm I really am keeping central in my vision, thinking 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:18.280 about the other perspective and being as fair as possible. 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:20.680 So if I'm a man listening to this podcast and 1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:23.519 I'm like, I'm lonely, and Ed's advice is go tell 1:40:23.560 --> 1:40:25.160 another man how you're feeling. 1:40:25.680 --> 1:40:26.920 I think that the gap. 1:40:27.360 --> 1:40:29.840 Between where a lot of men exist and being able 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:32.920 to tell another man how you're feeling is pretty deep. 1:40:33.160 --> 1:40:34.880 I'm going to say something simple. 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:35.639 It's hard to do. 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:38.320 If you really can't, email me easy at better offline 1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:40.800 dot com. I'm not fucking kidding. Signal me easier on 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:42.599 seventy six. If you really want to talk about your 1:40:42.600 --> 1:40:45.280 emotions and you're too scared because your cowardly male friends 1:40:45.720 --> 1:40:47.160 are not in touch with their things, do it. I 1:40:47.200 --> 1:40:49.640 don't care you cry. I cry when I fucking need to. 1:40:49.720 --> 1:40:53.840 I'm fucking you. Solve this by facing the problem by 1:40:53.880 --> 1:40:54.519 doing stuff well. 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:55.280 We solve this way. 1:40:55.479 --> 1:40:58.559 I have that weight issues, and honestly, you help me. 1:40:58.600 --> 1:41:01.559 Ben turn weightlifting into I lift light now, i'd lift volume. 1:41:01.760 --> 1:41:05.000 It's about completing things, it's about building something rather than 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:06.479 thrashing my fucking body. 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:08.320 But I think we need to I think we have 1:41:08.400 --> 1:41:12.519 to start by recognizing that it is difficult for men 1:41:12.720 --> 1:41:15.240 for some reason, that we could get into Me and 1:41:15.280 --> 1:41:17.320 one of my best friends, I've known him for twenty years. 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:20.840 I see him twice a week at minimum. We're both 1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:24.360 in therapy. We're progressive guys. We care about our emotions. 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:29.200 He number of years ago, seven years or so, got divorced, 1:41:29.479 --> 1:41:31.880 didn't tell me for a year, you know, christ Like 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:33.640 we were on a hike and he was finally like, 1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:35.680 I want to let you know, like me and her 1:41:35.720 --> 1:41:37.599 are separated, and I was like, yeah, man, I haven't 1:41:37.600 --> 1:41:40.280 seen her around. I know, but we didn't talk about it. 1:41:40.400 --> 1:41:42.920 Then I went through a big breakup, like a year 1:41:42.920 --> 1:41:44.479 and a half ago, and he's had to come to 1:41:44.520 --> 1:41:47.719 me and occasionally go like, hey, man, how are you doing? 1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:51.959 You know, like we haven't talked lately, and we everything. 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:54.800 For some reason, we have to remind each other and 1:41:54.840 --> 1:41:57.360 we do it less than we But actually, yeah, you're right. 1:41:57.560 --> 1:41:59.639 I think I get that you need to remind. 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:05.479 The solution there might be ask your friend a question 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:09.200 that sounds simple. Yeah, that and this is not necessarily 1:42:09.280 --> 1:42:11.920 like how do you tell your friends how you're feeling? 1:42:11.960 --> 1:42:15.160 This likely will open up a conversation. But like your 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:17.639 friend saying, hey, how are you doing? 1:42:17.680 --> 1:42:18.400 Post breakup? 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:23.360 Arguably you it's it sounds like you had noticed that 1:42:23.400 --> 1:42:26.800 something had gone weird in his marriage. You hadn't seen 1:42:26.840 --> 1:42:29.000 his wife around for a long time, but it sounds 1:42:29.040 --> 1:42:31.240 like you didn't say, like, how are things with you 1:42:31.320 --> 1:42:31.760 and my wife? 1:42:31.800 --> 1:42:34.000 Yeah, I didn't say anything to him either, and. 1:42:33.920 --> 1:42:36.240 So to me, it's like asking that question, even if 1:42:36.280 --> 1:42:39.280 that feels so like such a steep hill to climb, 1:42:39.320 --> 1:42:42.160 Like I've I've been as a as a woman with feelings. 1:42:42.479 --> 1:42:45.160 I've been in conversations with my girlfriends who I'm super 1:42:45.160 --> 1:42:47.759 super close with where I'm like, god, it is really 1:42:47.760 --> 1:42:50.599 fucking hard to be like anyways, so how is your 1:42:50.680 --> 1:42:51.519 marriage doing? 1:42:52.960 --> 1:42:53.479 Like that? 1:42:53.479 --> 1:42:54.280 That seems like. 1:42:55.960 --> 1:42:58.639 It seems like if the answer is good, then I'm 1:42:58.680 --> 1:43:01.519 like opening suspicion into an area that I don't need 1:43:01.520 --> 1:43:04.120 to be opening suspicion into. If the marriage is bad, 1:43:04.439 --> 1:43:06.240 if she's not telling me, there must be a reason 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:08.479 she's not telling me. But the answer is actually just 1:43:08.720 --> 1:43:11.439 we are sort of all socialized to not reveal a 1:43:11.439 --> 1:43:14.280 lot of that information. And then women have been permitted 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:17.080 to be like we have been sort of saddled with 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:19.680 the their emotional and their dramatic But what that the 1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:23.280 light side of that is that we are permitted to 1:43:23.400 --> 1:43:26.639 express difficult things a little bit more easily. 1:43:26.400 --> 1:43:28.040 And a little bit more Sorry, but we've just stropped 1:43:28.040 --> 1:43:29.560 you in the middle of Now, this is great, but 1:43:29.960 --> 1:43:31.599 it's it's like you, you and I. 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:34.640 I mean, I think men and Jack are you know, 1:43:34.680 --> 1:43:37.920 we're supposed to be strong, physically strong, mentally strong, spiritually strong, 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:41.320 all those things. You and I started talking not just 1:43:41.360 --> 1:43:43.879 about fitness, but when you were like, hey, I struggled 1:43:43.880 --> 1:43:46.320 with my weight. Yeah, like I was able to say, like, 1:43:46.600 --> 1:43:49.000 I struggled with my weight too, like, yeah, it's been 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:51.280 two thousand and nine or so, I lost about seventy pounds. 1:43:51.720 --> 1:43:52.439 I was big. 1:43:52.920 --> 1:43:54.519 So I gave us, which for you is like one 1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:57.840 percent of your body mass, yeah, wund Yeah, but it's 1:43:57.880 --> 1:43:58.439 all muscle. 1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:03.280 Yeah, more more now than he's used to. But that 1:44:03.280 --> 1:44:05.760 gave us an opportunity to like to talk over that, 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:07.880 and that was like something that we could bond over 1:44:07.960 --> 1:44:10.000 and something we could you know, you're not the only 1:44:10.040 --> 1:44:13.360 person and that we can do. And like, I still 1:44:13.400 --> 1:44:14.840 always feel like the fat kids. 1:44:14.880 --> 1:44:17.360 I was saying, Oh, absolutely feel fat all the time. 1:44:17.360 --> 1:44:20.080 I feel fat right now and it's weird, right, and 1:44:20.120 --> 1:44:21.000 I always do. 1:44:21.200 --> 1:44:23.479 And it's always like ways on me because I was 1:44:23.520 --> 1:44:25.960 a heavy kid and you're my twenties and I didn't 1:44:25.960 --> 1:44:27.840 really turn it around till it's about thirty years old. 1:44:28.320 --> 1:44:29.800 And once you figure that out and you find out 1:44:29.800 --> 1:44:31.280 that other people have gone through the same thing, then 1:44:31.280 --> 1:44:33.120 all of a sudden you can have a very different 1:44:33.120 --> 1:44:35.880 conversation about it. And it's not about lifting to go 1:44:35.960 --> 1:44:38.800 in the mister Olympia, and it's not about trying to 1:44:38.840 --> 1:44:41.040 as set a bench press record. It's really it's about, 1:44:41.040 --> 1:44:44.160 like you know, trying to build yourself up as much 1:44:44.160 --> 1:44:45.960 physically as it is mentally, and other people are trying 1:44:46.000 --> 1:44:47.160 to You're just trying to get through the day. And 1:44:47.240 --> 1:44:48.040 also it's okay. 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:51.519 I will say in my experience pushing a little further 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:54.080 on guys being like are you really okay? So a 1:44:54.120 --> 1:44:56.000 lot of guys will open up and be like, I'm not, 1:44:56.200 --> 1:44:59.880 and you have a nice conversation and you'll work. I'm 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:03.599 The feminization of emotion is disgusting because it's like, oh 1:45:03.640 --> 1:45:05.880 my god, the amount of times artcrime and my my 1:45:05.920 --> 1:45:08.559 ole friends and vice versa, and it's felt so much 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:09.080 fucking better. 1:45:09.120 --> 1:45:10.200 Well, when I've cried in front. 1:45:10.000 --> 1:45:12.920 Of you, client, I've cried close to how we met. 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:14.320 It is like two days later. 1:45:15.120 --> 1:45:17.479 But it's great and it's good, and it's just it's 1:45:17.560 --> 1:45:21.400 really easy to find other stop gaps, and I want 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:24.360 to be clear, like these companies are taking advantage of that. 1:45:24.560 --> 1:45:26.960 They're not, because I wanted to say this last episode 1:45:27.040 --> 1:45:28.760 is well, it's like the reason that there is a 1:45:28.800 --> 1:45:31.760 lonely in this epidemic is there are no third spaces, 1:45:31.800 --> 1:45:35.679 there are fewer walkable cities, and these social networking tools 1:45:35.720 --> 1:45:38.120 no longer. It is such a fucking like Dennis Leary's 1:45:38.160 --> 1:45:41.040 doll and a social networking tool don't let you socialize. 1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:43.600 But really though, you don't have a chronological feed of 1:45:43.640 --> 1:45:45.760 the people you want to fucking follow on most platforms, 1:45:46.000 --> 1:45:50.479 there's obstructions between it. There's like random platforms just become racist. 1:45:50.640 --> 1:45:53.280 They're not designed to get people into physical space, with 1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:56.040 the exception of dating apps, which are. But even then, 1:45:56.360 --> 1:45:58.840 like yeah, true, and those are all fucked up and gamified. 1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:01.080 But like you know, what was the name of the 1:46:01.160 --> 1:46:03.679 site from like the late nineties or like meetup, dot 1:46:03.680 --> 1:46:04.679 com or dot org. 1:46:04.560 --> 1:46:06.360 Do you yeah, me, I think they're still around. 1:46:07.720 --> 1:46:10.479 Maybe it was literally designed to it was like sort 1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:14.439 of pre Facebook, designed to be fine stuff to do. 1:46:15.320 --> 1:46:15.719 Meetups. 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:19.000 Yeah, meetups are so like that as a branded name. 1:46:19.200 --> 1:46:22.599 Okay, well that is the focus of most social networking 1:46:22.600 --> 1:46:24.760 tools in the early days. Totally, there were a lot 1:46:24.800 --> 1:46:26.320 that were like, hey, let's get people to meet up 1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:27.960 in the real world, and now that's the last thing 1:46:28.000 --> 1:46:28.840 Facebook wants you to do. 1:46:28.960 --> 1:46:30.240 Yes, And it's just. 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:33.559 There are ways that this could be fixed. I don't 1:46:33.840 --> 1:46:36.879 I'm not an inventor, but I don't know the problem 1:46:36.920 --> 1:46:39.400 being that men don't want to talk. That's not something 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:41.000 that's an analog problem. 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:44.080 Yes, I'm just saying, like the prescription. 1:46:43.560 --> 1:46:44.360 Oh no, I'm agreeing. 1:46:44.439 --> 1:46:47.759 I'm agreeing, tangible subscription can be ask your male friend 1:46:47.800 --> 1:46:49.360 a question, any question. 1:46:49.160 --> 1:46:53.120 A question, Yeah, and also ask ask your girlfriend as 1:46:53.120 --> 1:46:55.879 well if you have one questions. 1:46:55.240 --> 1:46:58.639 Asking anyone in your life a questions and actually they 1:46:58.720 --> 1:46:59.680 will love well. 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:02.479 Really, all I want to add to this is I 1:47:02.479 --> 1:47:04.920 think it needs to start with a recognition that, like, 1:47:05.000 --> 1:47:06.960 in the same way that when I started working out, 1:47:06.960 --> 1:47:09.400 I was like, oh, yeah, everything in my life has 1:47:09.400 --> 1:47:11.080 been telling me to sit on my ass and I 1:47:11.120 --> 1:47:13.160 have to like make an effort to. 1:47:13.120 --> 1:47:13.639 Do it right. 1:47:13.760 --> 1:47:15.479 Well, that's even, but it was a little bit easier 1:47:15.479 --> 1:47:19.040 because yes, men are supposed to be strong, right, Everything 1:47:19.080 --> 1:47:21.040 in men's lives are sort of telling them not to 1:47:21.160 --> 1:47:24.519 open up. It is like a barrier, defensive almost, and 1:47:24.560 --> 1:47:26.320 like you have to like treat it as like this 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:28.720 is not going to be super easy, Like I have 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:30.680 to you know, I have to like pry it out 1:47:30.720 --> 1:47:33.439 of myself and out of my mail, which is why, like, 1:47:33.640 --> 1:47:36.360 you know, again, my friend to me was like, we 1:47:36.439 --> 1:47:37.120 need to talk. 1:47:37.320 --> 1:47:40.639 It's been a while, which is exactly why why I'm saying, 1:47:40.640 --> 1:47:43.360 and I'm glad they did, And that's exactly why I'm 1:47:43.360 --> 1:47:45.360 trying to point out the gulf between somebody listening to 1:47:45.400 --> 1:47:48.960 this and going I feel isolated and the the other 1:47:49.040 --> 1:47:52.519 side of that crevasse of like just talk about your 1:47:52.520 --> 1:47:54.960 feelings and that I do think that there's like an 1:47:55.000 --> 1:47:56.280 easy concrete. 1:47:55.880 --> 1:47:59.080 You're intentionally opting into something hard, yes, y right, Like 1:47:59.120 --> 1:48:01.280 that's I mean, and it's it's we are you know, 1:48:01.439 --> 1:48:03.240 to get too metaphysical, but like we're nothing if they 1:48:03.240 --> 1:48:06.000 are not challenges for us to yeah attack and doing. 1:48:05.840 --> 1:48:07.960 Hard things can be rewarded, exactly. 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:10.240 Right, And like it is no harder to learn how 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:12.400 to bench press than it is to talk about your feelings. 1:48:12.439 --> 1:48:14.439 These are both hard and with fas as well, I 1:48:14.439 --> 1:48:16.080 had to like push past the thing of like I 1:48:16.160 --> 1:48:20.480 have to be strong. It was this incredibly negative relationship 1:48:20.479 --> 1:48:22.280 I had with my body because I was a fat 1:48:22.320 --> 1:48:24.559 person that didn't f I was a fat, sedentary piece 1:48:24.560 --> 1:48:27.280 of shit. Until I got past that, I could not 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:29.439 have a body I liked. Until it was about building 1:48:29.439 --> 1:48:33.080 something and recognizing weakness and the fragility of one's body, 1:48:33.080 --> 1:48:36.000 but also the fact that going about it and beating 1:48:36.040 --> 1:48:38.720 the shit out of yourself to become strong is unsustainable 1:48:38.760 --> 1:48:41.120 because it just means that every like a good thing, 1:48:41.160 --> 1:48:45.280 a powerful thing, progressive thing, is inherently progressive. You were 1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:48.000 just hurting yourself. And where is the end point of that? 1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:50.040 How are you gonna go? Oh, I've reached a good point. 1:48:50.080 --> 1:48:51.720 It's just you're a piece of shit if you fall 1:48:51.760 --> 1:48:54.240 below this level. And I fucking thought with that. 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:56.680 Yeah, And there's I mean, especially when it comes out 1:48:56.680 --> 1:48:59.000 like the body dysmorphius stuff and which never stops, right. 1:48:59.040 --> 1:49:01.240 I mean, there's like there's memes and jokes about it. 1:49:01.240 --> 1:49:03.600 Like I've been I've been bodybuilding for five years, Like 1:49:03.920 --> 1:49:05.479 when does the body dys morphia stop? 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:05.680 Like? 1:49:05.680 --> 1:49:06.599 Oh, well it does it? 1:49:06.720 --> 1:49:06.880 Right? 1:49:06.960 --> 1:49:09.439 It's like you're just getting started, man, like you uh, 1:49:09.560 --> 1:49:11.400 you see the guys even not that I would ever 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:13.160 advocate for this, but like the guys who are like 1:49:13.400 --> 1:49:16.760 the pro bodybuildings, the wind shows, and they'd be like, 1:49:16.800 --> 1:49:18.280 what are you doing him? He's very famous, like Jay 1:49:18.320 --> 1:49:21.360 Cutler who won Mister Olympia four times. They interviewed him 1:49:21.360 --> 1:49:22.720 after he won and he was They were like, what 1:49:22.720 --> 1:49:24.479 are you gonna do to celebrate? He's well, I gotta 1:49:24.520 --> 1:49:26.280 go to bed early because I got cardio in the morning. 1:49:26.360 --> 1:49:28.640 And it's like, you just won, like you know, the 1:49:28.680 --> 1:49:31.080 World Series of Bodybuilding and he's not taking a day 1:49:31.080 --> 1:49:34.040 off because he was so wrapped into it and so 1:49:34.360 --> 1:49:36.559 like deep into it that it was just like it's 1:49:36.600 --> 1:49:36.840 all he. 1:49:36.800 --> 1:49:39.400 Could think about and like you know, and and there's 1:49:39.439 --> 1:49:41.280 no finished not to be a woman. 1:49:41.040 --> 1:49:43.559 About this, please be at I. 1:49:43.640 --> 1:49:48.240 Just want to state for the record that I I 1:49:48.320 --> 1:49:50.559 love I am so glad that men are talking about 1:49:50.600 --> 1:49:53.760 body dysmorphia and the way that body dysmorphia shows up 1:49:53.800 --> 1:49:59.800 in women is so uh much more socially connected with 1:50:00.080 --> 1:50:05.320 our value like that like I do not I want 1:50:05.320 --> 1:50:08.799 to be like I totally get it. I do totally 1:50:08.800 --> 1:50:11.320 get it, and I get it. I think probably more 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:16.760 than you might think I do and then just a 1:50:16.960 --> 1:50:20.639 quick shout out for the girls that like. Then it 1:50:20.680 --> 1:50:24.160 is connected to the women are there to be consumed, 1:50:24.680 --> 1:50:30.120 that like the extra layer of value when you feel 1:50:30.120 --> 1:50:30.360 about it. 1:50:30.640 --> 1:50:32.519 Well, it gets back to the wife tube thing, which 1:50:32.720 --> 1:50:35.840 I'm liking saying that phrase. I guess where it's like, Yeah, 1:50:35.920 --> 1:50:39.679 it's not a overweight woman, it's not a man. It's 1:50:39.760 --> 1:50:43.840 a sexualized presentation of the idealistic woman for the certain 1:50:43.840 --> 1:50:47.080 customer of this thing. Because I am not a woman. 1:50:47.160 --> 1:50:50.120 I experienced body dysmallphee every day, but I'm not like 1:50:50.439 --> 1:50:53.800 me being overweight is not the thing that precluded me 1:50:54.240 --> 1:50:57.160 from being happy. It was how I felt about myself 1:50:57.160 --> 1:50:59.840 to be cleared, like, I want to feel better about myself, 1:50:59.840 --> 1:51:03.000 but my value as a man is not directly affected 1:51:03.000 --> 1:51:05.559 in the exactly way exactly exactly, so when I wanted that, 1:51:05.680 --> 1:51:07.719 it was not keeping me from job opportunities exactly. 1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:08.240 That's what it is. 1:51:08.360 --> 1:51:11.120 It's that, like I think probably the emotional experience of 1:51:11.120 --> 1:51:14.519 body dysmorphia is very very similar in women and men, 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:17.479 and and even the like men are supposed to be 1:51:17.479 --> 1:51:20.080 strong and so like there is a social value associated 1:51:20.080 --> 1:51:24.160 with that. But it is that when men fall outside 1:51:24.200 --> 1:51:28.639 of what we consider the classically attractive bounds, the way 1:51:28.720 --> 1:51:32.920 that their lives are negatively impacted tend to be much 1:51:33.160 --> 1:51:36.800 more minimal negative impacts than the way that women's lives 1:51:36.840 --> 1:51:38.000 are impacted when they fall. 1:51:37.840 --> 1:51:40.599 Outside of the bounds of class. I would say when 1:51:40.640 --> 1:51:42.840 I was very three hundred and fifty pounds, there was 1:51:42.840 --> 1:51:46.400 definitely a level of like respect I didn't get, but 1:51:46.439 --> 1:51:49.240 it was not like it wasn't to the level where 1:51:49.240 --> 1:51:52.040 women are just fucking completely excluded if they do not 1:51:52.160 --> 1:51:55.200 look like the heteronormative idea of what a woman should 1:51:55.200 --> 1:51:57.559 look like a certain level of thinness and attractiveness and 1:51:58.040 --> 1:51:58.599 make up. 1:51:58.520 --> 1:51:59.120 And all of these. 1:51:59.200 --> 1:52:02.519 Yeah, it's very it's very different. Yeah, or it's just 1:52:02.600 --> 1:52:05.080 like a whole nother fun Yeah, you get, you get 1:52:05.080 --> 1:52:06.439 like several more layers of. 1:52:06.840 --> 1:52:08.680 I mean, look at the look at the people at 1:52:08.680 --> 1:52:11.479 this conference, and look at the you know, there's people 1:52:11.479 --> 1:52:14.600 who are there's there's men walking around who are not 1:52:14.640 --> 1:52:18.120 fitting conventional, conventional notions of what an attractive man is 1:52:18.560 --> 1:52:22.040 and they're powerful, successful men at this conference, and I 1:52:22.040 --> 1:52:23.800 think you'd have a hard time finding women are in 1:52:23.840 --> 1:52:27.000 the same position. Right, Like we're talking about all the 1:52:27.040 --> 1:52:31.839 other dimensions of you know, uh, of the social value 1:52:31.960 --> 1:52:34.160 and status like so much more connected for women. 1:52:34.200 --> 1:52:36.839 Absolutely, and everything goes with women as well as weight 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:42.240 loss and thinness and certain presentations and minutes about a 1:52:42.240 --> 1:52:45.679 certain level of bigness and the metrics are even different. 1:52:45.720 --> 1:52:48.080 It's just it's I'm glad we're talking about this on 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:50.240 the show because I know we probably have more men 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:52.320 listening than we do women. I hope, like I would 1:52:52.320 --> 1:52:54.400 love that not to be the case, But it's about technology. 1:52:54.400 --> 1:52:57.840 What do you fucking think? And it's just like it 1:52:58.040 --> 1:53:02.280 sucks because yeah, there are lonely men, but it's like, yes, sadly, 1:53:02.720 --> 1:53:04.800 you bring this shit to a woman before you fixed it, 1:53:04.960 --> 1:53:07.320 you're now her problem she needs to keep and you're 1:53:07.320 --> 1:53:09.240 gonna have many of these things about your body that 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:11.880 you transfer onto her. You judge her the same way 1:53:11.920 --> 1:53:14.320 you judge yourself until you can get past that. Even 1:53:14.320 --> 1:53:17.880 the internalized sexual sexism of like how a man and 1:53:17.920 --> 1:53:20.960 a woman are meant to feel. When I was when 1:53:21.040 --> 1:53:22.560 I was heavy, like I had to go through a 1:53:22.600 --> 1:53:25.040 lot of things of just like no one needs to 1:53:25.040 --> 1:53:27.840 look a certain fucking way at all, Like I might 1:53:27.920 --> 1:53:29.920 need to be thin for myself that might be what 1:53:30.000 --> 1:53:32.280 I need to aspire to, but that's no one else's 1:53:32.280 --> 1:53:34.400 fucking job. No one has to look a certain way 1:53:34.400 --> 1:53:38.160 for me or for them, only for themselves, and it 1:53:38.160 --> 1:53:40.960 it sucks. The more I think about these fucking wife tups, 1:53:40.960 --> 1:53:42.759 as funny as it's to say, the more like angry 1:53:42.800 --> 1:53:45.960 I get. Yeah, it's just like reinforcing gender stereotise, but 1:53:46.000 --> 1:53:49.559 also adding a new layer of like woman prison. I 1:53:49.560 --> 1:53:52.000 mean it's it's like it's it's fantasy subjecation. 1:53:52.160 --> 1:53:58.000 Yes, well, and it's it's a technological fake solution to 1:53:58.120 --> 1:54:02.880 a real social problem that is like preying on both 1:54:02.960 --> 1:54:06.800 the customers and the women who are quite represented. 1:54:07.080 --> 1:54:09.200 Yeah, there's this tube where you had like an anime 1:54:09.280 --> 1:54:10.080 wife you could talk to. 1:54:10.160 --> 1:54:12.280 I probably should have multiple products. 1:54:12.680 --> 1:54:16.599 I disculled it from the conversation. Yeah, yeah, that sounds 1:54:16.600 --> 1:54:17.360 like a terrible idea. 1:54:17.720 --> 1:54:20.680 It's it's a really good band aid on a multitude 1:54:20.680 --> 1:54:24.280 of problems, because I maintain you want to you want 1:54:24.320 --> 1:54:27.000 to actually genuinely go talk to a priest, like I 1:54:27.040 --> 1:54:28.960 don't mean it, even if you're not religious, you just 1:54:29.000 --> 1:54:31.479 fucking maybe you need some spirituality in your life. Maybe 1:54:31.479 --> 1:54:33.080 you need more than just how you look or how 1:54:33.120 --> 1:54:35.560 you feel and trapped in your own head. They'll talk 1:54:35.560 --> 1:54:36.760 to you for a priest will talk to your all 1:54:36.800 --> 1:54:39.520 fucking day. Don't need to be religious. I'm not even joking. 1:54:39.600 --> 1:54:43.440 Like the monk, the the Dominican monk, Fry Gabriel is 1:54:43.520 --> 1:54:46.760 sadly not here, Father Gabriel, pardon me. He talked to 1:54:46.840 --> 1:54:49.680 him for hours. I'm not religious at all. I'm like agnostic. 1:54:49.920 --> 1:54:52.880 Who fucking knows. But it's like the problem is if 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:55.520 you talk about your problems, then you have to recognize 1:54:55.720 --> 1:54:58.200 your role in them and how they make you feel. 1:54:58.480 --> 1:55:00.800 And when you've never done that, this the sympathy I'll 1:55:00.840 --> 1:55:02.440 give it hurts. 1:55:02.480 --> 1:55:03.960 Well, there's when you've never done that. 1:55:04.000 --> 1:55:08.680 And also when the technology that is in our world 1:55:09.280 --> 1:55:14.240 is so is so effective at like pressing the immediate 1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:17.440 dopamine button, yeah, or right that, we are presented with 1:55:17.480 --> 1:55:20.600 a drug that is more instant and more powerful and 1:55:20.640 --> 1:55:22.680 more replicable than ever. 1:55:22.560 --> 1:55:23.520 In human history. 1:55:23.880 --> 1:55:26.320 And so why would you do something that feels bad 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:28.160 when you can just do something that feels good right away, 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:29.800 even if it feels bad on a long scale term 1:55:29.840 --> 1:55:33.280 and long term scale. And you sort of understand that 1:55:33.320 --> 1:55:35.320 inherently yeah, but you can still just do the drug again. 1:55:35.320 --> 1:55:36.640 You can just press the button again. You can just 1:55:36.640 --> 1:55:37.240 feel better again. 1:55:37.240 --> 1:55:40.280 And why wouldn't you? Of course Chinese peptides like it 1:55:40.280 --> 1:55:42.120 really does connect though. No, but we were talking about these 1:55:42.200 --> 1:55:45.160 Chinese peptids yesterday. It's like, yeah, a quick and easy solution. 1:55:45.320 --> 1:55:48.680 To be clear, you used GLP one from a doctor, brilliant. Well, however, 1:55:48.720 --> 1:55:50.600 your weight loss journey happens if that's what you need, 1:55:50.680 --> 1:55:53.720 brilliant Sadly and Ben and I can tell you can 1:55:53.760 --> 1:55:55.680 lose all the weight, be you still gonna feel bad 1:55:55.680 --> 1:55:57.840 about yourself until you solve that. Do you find a 1:55:57.840 --> 1:56:01.200 way to calm out your own self, you're gonna be 1:56:01.600 --> 1:56:03.280 You're gonna be in trouble. When I say this to 1:56:03.320 --> 1:56:06.040 someone who has been in trouble, who has taken years 1:56:06.080 --> 1:56:08.800 to build the internal and external me that I want it. 1:56:09.480 --> 1:56:12.640 And it's like all these fitness things they they don't 1:56:12.640 --> 1:56:15.000 even really try that as well. I think Victorislms make 1:56:15.040 --> 1:56:17.560 the point mobile times that these these numbers, the useless 1:56:17.600 --> 1:56:18.960 numbers who were talking about. 1:56:18.960 --> 1:56:21.680 I said that my theme for cees is numbers you 1:56:21.720 --> 1:56:22.200 don't need. 1:56:23.600 --> 1:56:26.360 It's just like there's no substitute for the work? 1:56:26.560 --> 1:56:28.600 No, right, I mean like that's it, there's no But 1:56:28.720 --> 1:56:31.400 everybody's like, but is this a substitute for the worst? 1:56:31.640 --> 1:56:32.000 Exactly? 1:56:32.040 --> 1:56:33.480 Like we've been trying this for free. 1:56:33.440 --> 1:56:36.360 Yes, twenty twenty six. But is this substitute for the great? 1:56:36.520 --> 1:56:38.440 It's a great uh. I think you and I have 1:56:38.480 --> 1:56:40.920 talked about it. For him, Rollins wrote a great article. Yeah, 1:56:40.960 --> 1:56:44.000 the iron, the iron so yes, amazing were talked about 1:56:44.000 --> 1:56:45.440 like the iron never lies right at the end of 1:56:45.480 --> 1:56:47.440 the day. I forget that. I'm gonna butcher the quote, 1:56:47.440 --> 1:56:49.400 but he wraps it up. I being like, you can 1:56:49.440 --> 1:56:51.000 be the biggest guy in the room and the smallest 1:56:51.000 --> 1:56:53.120 guy in the room. You can have the best body 1:56:53.200 --> 1:56:55.200 or the worst body. You could just gotten married or 1:56:55.240 --> 1:56:57.720 just gotten dumped. You know, you fired from your job, 1:56:57.840 --> 1:57:00.360 promoted at the end of the day, and that two 1:57:00.440 --> 1:57:02.640 hundred pounds is still two hundred pounds. Are either lifted 1:57:02.720 --> 1:57:05.600 or you don't like it. It's the work is there 1:57:05.680 --> 1:57:09.560 to be done. You change the same, like the process 1:57:09.720 --> 1:57:13.080 of lifting heavier or eating better or whatever is like 1:57:13.120 --> 1:57:15.920 the hard is what makes it good. It's not just 1:57:15.960 --> 1:57:18.560 about the aesthetics or about how much weight you can push. 1:57:18.600 --> 1:57:22.080 It's about the the process that you go through, you know, 1:57:22.120 --> 1:57:24.520 and those glp ones like and other peptides like they 1:57:24.520 --> 1:57:28.560 are miracle drugs. They are miracle drugs. And I know 1:57:28.680 --> 1:57:30.400 lots of people who have gone on them. And the 1:57:30.440 --> 1:57:32.920 people who are successful are the people who go on 1:57:32.960 --> 1:57:36.360 them and then also lift the weights and also do 1:57:36.400 --> 1:57:39.360 the cardio, yeah, but also eat better. The people who 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:42.240 just take them and then kind of like deflate because 1:57:42.240 --> 1:57:46.400 they're not doing anything have horrible metabolic problems because they 1:57:46.400 --> 1:57:48.480 took the shortcut. And you get you get the results 1:57:48.520 --> 1:57:49.560 of the shortcut. 1:57:49.520 --> 1:57:51.640 And you feel still miserable about it. And I say 1:57:51.640 --> 1:57:54.080 this is I've lost. I was three hundred and fifty pounds. 1:57:54.120 --> 1:57:55.840 I dropped to one hundred and thirty pounds when I 1:57:55.920 --> 1:57:58.840 was nineteen, and then went back up to two hundred 1:57:58.920 --> 1:58:01.880 and sixty something by the end of my like the 1:58:01.880 --> 1:58:04.600 midpoint of my thirties, and maybe a buck sixty five. 1:58:04.680 --> 1:58:08.000 Now that last part was the first time it stayed 1:58:08.320 --> 1:58:11.880 like I've stayed consistently this way, not because I've stayed 1:58:11.880 --> 1:58:13.360 consistent with my fits. I've been off for the last 1:58:13.400 --> 1:58:16.880 few months, but because I've been more focused on what 1:58:16.920 --> 1:58:19.400 good feels like than I have on am I fucking 1:58:19.480 --> 1:58:21.960 push and bannishing beaten the fuck. I remember texting my 1:58:21.960 --> 1:58:25.320 friend Touchiana friend at the show, Touchiana, Yeah, my arms 1:58:25.320 --> 1:58:27.120 feel like they're full of broken glass and I was 1:58:27.200 --> 1:58:30.240 happy and she was like, I don't think that's what 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:32.240 that's meant to feel like, and I was like, yes, 1:58:32.280 --> 1:58:32.600 it is. 1:58:33.280 --> 1:58:33.920 I'm good. 1:58:34.400 --> 1:58:37.160 She it wasn't a good as it's not long before 1:58:37.160 --> 1:58:39.080 I started talking to you, Ben, And I think it's 1:58:39.200 --> 1:58:44.320 just like, it's really easy to fucking hate yourself for 1:58:44.880 --> 1:58:48.520 bad reasons and then also not really be critical of 1:58:48.560 --> 1:58:51.040 yourself for the good ones, such as I'm fucking up 1:58:51.040 --> 1:58:52.960 my body repeatedly so that I can be sexy for 1:58:52.960 --> 1:58:53.280 a woman. 1:58:53.400 --> 1:58:56.480 And I want to add another a corollary to it's 1:58:56.480 --> 1:58:59.720 really easy to hate yourself. Yes, Also it is really 1:58:59.760 --> 1:59:05.640 easy to justify a fairly nihilist point of view. I 1:59:05.640 --> 1:59:07.880 think now more than ever, I think it's very easy 1:59:08.400 --> 1:59:11.000 to be like nothing matters and we're all gonna die, 1:59:11.280 --> 1:59:12.280 and so why am I? 1:59:12.400 --> 1:59:13.760 Why would I try? 1:59:13.960 --> 1:59:17.120 Or like the world is so fucked up and obviously 1:59:17.160 --> 1:59:23.200 there's no uh like to keep to rationalized to justify 1:59:23.360 --> 1:59:25.680 whatever your repeated choices are and I'm talking to myself 1:59:25.720 --> 1:59:26.120 more than. 1:59:26.040 --> 1:59:27.240 Anybody like I have. 1:59:27.400 --> 1:59:28.600 I have a million of these. 1:59:28.560 --> 1:59:31.600 Ruts and that I get myself into. And I think 1:59:31.640 --> 1:59:36.880 it's very, very easy to justify self destructive choices, particularly 1:59:37.280 --> 1:59:41.600 the mildly self destructive choices, the ones that aren't like 1:59:41.760 --> 1:59:44.160 driving causing you to drive your car into a tree. 1:59:43.960 --> 1:59:44.520 At the end of the night. 1:59:44.560 --> 1:59:47.600 You know, like what then oh, just like eat, like. 1:59:48.120 --> 1:59:52.520 Justifying promising yourself that you'll eat better and then not 1:59:53.280 --> 1:59:56.040 even if it's not to a crazy degree, but it's 1:59:56.080 --> 1:59:58.200 to a degree that keeps you unhealthy in a way, 1:59:58.320 --> 2:00:00.800 or like you know, it's like if you're not getting 2:00:00.800 --> 2:00:03.400 black out drunk every week, but you're like I when 2:00:03.440 --> 2:00:05.320 I drink, I wake up the next morning and I 2:00:05.320 --> 2:00:07.360 feel anxious in a way that cripples me for the 2:00:07.360 --> 2:00:09.960 whole next day. But I'm just gonna have another drink. 2:00:10.200 --> 2:00:11.760 I'm just gonna have one more drink with my friends 2:00:11.760 --> 2:00:14.080 tomorrow night or whatever. And it's and again like this 2:00:14.240 --> 2:00:15.960 these are things that I do, These are this is 2:00:16.000 --> 2:00:16.600 my own life. 2:00:16.640 --> 2:00:21.120 This is nobody saw uh Adam just dropped the nihilism thing. 2:00:21.160 --> 2:00:22.960 I mean, like my favorite Jim T shirt that I 2:00:23.120 --> 2:00:25.720 lifted all the time is like the counterpoint to that, 2:00:25.840 --> 2:00:28.200 and it says like we're all gonna die, might as 2:00:28.200 --> 2:00:32.520 well get strong? Yeah, Like I think, is it Pascal's wager? 2:00:32.640 --> 2:00:34.800 Isn't it past right? It's like it's like that, but 2:00:34.840 --> 2:00:39.680 for life, choices exist, Like you might as well act 2:00:39.680 --> 2:00:42.160 as if God exists, because even if he does not exist, 2:00:42.560 --> 2:00:45.480 living in a moral way yourself, I totally agree. 2:00:45.560 --> 2:00:46.000 I'm just saying. 2:00:46.000 --> 2:00:48.919 I'm saying, like, I think a lot of people easily 2:00:48.920 --> 2:00:51.880 fall into a justification where it's not even that they like, 2:00:51.960 --> 2:00:53.880 I think that there's people listening to this who wouldn't 2:00:53.880 --> 2:00:57.840 say I hate myself, who would just say everything is. 2:00:57.800 --> 2:00:59.520 So bah, it doesn't matter. 2:00:59.600 --> 2:01:01.080 Yeah, yeah, and the thing. 2:01:01.000 --> 2:01:05.880 Is or or my my jadedness is correct, not even 2:01:05.880 --> 2:01:08.080 it doesn't matter stuff where they're like it could matter, 2:01:08.200 --> 2:01:13.000 but like, look at I think people rationalize. 2:01:12.720 --> 2:01:16.520 I also think it's really easy for guys to in particular, 2:01:16.880 --> 2:01:18.800 and no, I take that back, It's not true. Women 2:01:18.840 --> 2:01:21.480 do this kind of self harm as well. And where 2:01:21.520 --> 2:01:24.640 it's like for the beauty standards of both women and men, 2:01:24.680 --> 2:01:28.000 where it's I need to hurt, the pain is necessary, 2:01:28.040 --> 2:01:28.920 no pain, no gain. 2:01:29.240 --> 2:01:33.840 Actually pain is not brilliant, and with woman it can 2:01:33.880 --> 2:01:34.200 often be. 2:01:34.320 --> 2:01:35.840 I mean, they do the same thing with fitness, but 2:01:35.880 --> 2:01:37.960 like dietary stuff, with a woman, it is much harsher. 2:01:38.200 --> 2:01:41.400 It's like the ways we punish ourselves and they usually fail. 2:01:41.800 --> 2:01:43.360 Like I am generally not. 2:01:43.440 --> 2:01:46.160 In pain when after I woke out, I feel worked, 2:01:46.200 --> 2:01:49.680 but I feel good, And it's like that's the thing 2:01:49.720 --> 2:01:51.840 to look for. But it's really easy because you got 2:01:51.880 --> 2:01:55.080 on Instagram, especially if you like start talking about fitness 2:01:55.120 --> 2:01:57.040 in the DM and Instagram's like, oh, we're not looking, 2:01:57.080 --> 2:02:00.400 but it looks like you need some peptoides. And you 2:02:00.440 --> 2:02:03.240 can get this fucking pressure of these guys who are 2:02:03.280 --> 2:02:06.480 just they're younger than you, stronger than you, they've gone 2:02:06.480 --> 2:02:09.000 through crazier journeys, they've lost more weight, they've done this. 2:02:09.240 --> 2:02:11.760 It's really easy for guys to pretend like this doesn't happen. 2:02:11.800 --> 2:02:14.800 You don't look at another guy's body and you feel inferior. 2:02:15.160 --> 2:02:17.560 It fucking happens, and you're like, if I look like 2:02:17.600 --> 2:02:21.440 that 'll feel better, you probably won't mate. Yeah, And 2:02:21.520 --> 2:02:24.000 women talk about this publicly all the time. Men don't 2:02:24.040 --> 2:02:28.600 want to because it's fucking's gay. Oh you're fucking good Lord, 2:02:28.760 --> 2:02:30.080 the worst thing that could happen to you is that 2:02:30.160 --> 2:02:33.040 you're gay. Jesus Christ. That sounds fun, like who gives 2:02:33.040 --> 2:02:35.160 a shit? You're in love with a man. It sounds nice. 2:02:35.600 --> 2:02:37.160 You're in love with a woman who gives a fuck. 2:02:37.440 --> 2:02:39.960 But it's like this feminization of anything, any kind of 2:02:40.000 --> 2:02:43.320 pain and emotion. Men are just fucking strong. 2:02:43.600 --> 2:02:45.800 Got a wife, you will talk to me out lift 2:02:45.840 --> 2:02:46.160 from all. 2:02:48.000 --> 2:02:50.240 Oh, No, it's nice to have a conversation like this 2:02:51.080 --> 2:02:53.080 in this scenario like this is well a very male 2:02:53.160 --> 2:02:57.040 dominated space and more dominated industry. And it's also scary 2:02:57.080 --> 2:02:59.080 for men to think about this stuff. And it's much 2:02:59.080 --> 2:03:02.560 easier to blame everyone else. Yeah, other men too. 2:03:03.040 --> 2:03:04.640 That being said, I'm gonna try and lift a million 2:03:04.680 --> 2:03:06.520 pounds this year. No, but you do it because it's 2:03:06.560 --> 2:03:08.080 a million pounds of volume, that's the goal. 2:03:08.200 --> 2:03:10.360 No, but that's fucking you're doing that. 2:03:10.280 --> 2:03:11.160 Because I'll get there. 2:03:11.680 --> 2:03:13.040 But you're doing it for fun. 2:03:13.120 --> 2:03:14.800 I'm doing it for fun and because like it is, 2:03:14.840 --> 2:03:17.200 it is a it is a therapeutic thing for me. 2:03:17.280 --> 2:03:20.200 Like the joke of you know, lift heavy rock said, yeah, right, 2:03:20.240 --> 2:03:22.880 but it's like it's it's true, it is a it 2:03:22.960 --> 2:03:24.640 is a great physical thing, it's a great mental thing. 2:03:24.680 --> 2:03:27.720 It's good for my marriage, right, Like I'm a better husband, 2:03:27.760 --> 2:03:31.480 I'm a better father, I'm better professionally because I'm able 2:03:31.480 --> 2:03:32.240 to focus. 2:03:31.960 --> 2:03:35.520 And energetic and you've energetic. Yeah, exactly, and you build something, 2:03:36.280 --> 2:03:39.280 you see the results patching over something exactly right. 2:03:39.280 --> 2:03:41.840 I'm so glad we're talking foundational Adam. 2:03:41.840 --> 2:03:43.880 What do you think about all that? Yeah, sorry, you've 2:03:43.880 --> 2:03:44.720 been quiet this whole time. 2:03:44.760 --> 2:03:49.240 Oh yeah, we've been podcasting for two hours. I'm I'm 2:03:49.240 --> 2:03:53.960 a little tired. Uh yeah, No, I mean I think that, Uh, 2:03:54.920 --> 2:03:58.080 it's just the trip that I'm on is like, I 2:03:58.160 --> 2:04:05.520 do think that we underrate how much society, like all 2:04:05.560 --> 2:04:08.920 of us together as a society, push men down the 2:04:09.000 --> 2:04:12.560 wrong path on this stuff. And I think at the 2:04:12.600 --> 2:04:15.320 same time as we are saying like, you know, men 2:04:15.360 --> 2:04:17.760 need to step up and like change their attitudes, I 2:04:17.800 --> 2:04:21.240 also think we need to like create space for other men, yes, 2:04:21.280 --> 2:04:24.880 to do these things. That's men and women need to 2:04:24.920 --> 2:04:26.760 do this. Men need to do it, I think with 2:04:26.840 --> 2:04:31.920 each other each other. But it is like, you know, 2:04:32.240 --> 2:04:36.920 a and I think the thing that because there's so 2:04:37.000 --> 2:04:39.040 many elements of this you can talk about sexism and 2:04:39.040 --> 2:04:40.920 patriarchy and stuff affects men and women, and you can 2:04:40.960 --> 2:04:43.960 almost always go it affects women worse. It's true, right, yeah, 2:04:44.560 --> 2:04:47.000 but a deficiency that I think that the reason I'm 2:04:47.000 --> 2:04:50.120 glad we're having this conversation is I think a division 2:04:50.200 --> 2:04:52.560 difficiency at least I think that's unequivocally true, is that 2:04:52.960 --> 2:04:56.520 men talk about it less. I grew up watching just there, 2:04:56.880 --> 2:05:02.200 just the evolving conversation about sexist directed towards women for 2:05:02.320 --> 2:05:05.400 my entire life and like processing it. Oh, we're developing, 2:05:05.400 --> 2:05:07.160 how we're thinking about this, We're trying to address this 2:05:07.160 --> 2:05:10.000 product all still exists, but we're and like we just 2:05:11.240 --> 2:05:14.680 we have never had it for men on a cultural level, 2:05:14.920 --> 2:05:17.000 and when we try a lot of times people go, 2:05:17.680 --> 2:05:20.120 you know, like why you know I talk about this 2:05:20.120 --> 2:05:22.400 on stage sometimes and you know, people come up to 2:05:22.760 --> 2:05:24.360 A woman came up to me and says like, oh, 2:05:24.360 --> 2:05:25.920 it's kind of it's kind of like I want somebody 2:05:25.920 --> 2:05:27.400 think of the men. And I'm like, yeah, kind of, 2:05:27.480 --> 2:05:29.920 it is kind of what somebody think of But the 2:05:30.000 --> 2:05:32.760 thing is I get what she is saying. 2:05:32.840 --> 2:05:35.000 In the it's very very is to full into the 2:05:35.000 --> 2:05:37.760 trope like, oh, poor men, but it's like the actual 2:05:37.760 --> 2:05:40.080 solution is you can say that, but only if the 2:05:40.120 --> 2:05:43.040 answer is talking to other guys, not like and that's 2:05:43.080 --> 2:05:46.680 where women come in and that's how having sex. And 2:05:46.720 --> 2:05:48.680 by the way, I would just say that will not 2:05:48.960 --> 2:05:52.280 solve your image issues. That will not do it. It's 2:05:52.320 --> 2:05:53.520 a fucking band aid too. 2:05:54.000 --> 2:05:59.080 Yeah, I mean, adam t to your what you were 2:05:59.120 --> 2:06:05.360 just saying, I think that the solution to uh, there's 2:06:05.440 --> 2:06:08.080 I don't know that there's like a way to really 2:06:08.200 --> 2:06:11.280 solve gender dynamics, you know, fingers, but. 2:06:11.320 --> 2:06:15.160 Like fifteen minutes, we've actually only got five. 2:06:16.040 --> 2:06:18.640 But you know, if I were there listening to the 2:06:18.680 --> 2:06:21.600 woman say, that's kind of a think of the men, 2:06:23.040 --> 2:06:24.760 and your answer is yet it is think of the men. 2:06:25.080 --> 2:06:27.839 That's because the only way that we make any progress 2:06:27.960 --> 2:06:32.600 is with empathy and kindness, yes to the people, to 2:06:32.760 --> 2:06:35.839 every player involved in this in the scenario. 2:06:36.000 --> 2:06:40.000 Yeah, yeah, And it's but empathy means empathy requires in respection. 2:06:40.080 --> 2:06:41.080 Sorry I didn't mean still. 2:06:41.120 --> 2:06:43.640 Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, totally. And on that point, 2:06:43.720 --> 2:06:47.240 I'm going to end this two hour long episode. Ben Rudolph, 2:06:47.280 --> 2:06:48.200 where can we find you? 2:06:49.520 --> 2:06:51.600 I'm on X The everything appen well, it's been the 2:06:51.600 --> 2:06:52.200 PC guy. 2:06:52.560 --> 2:06:53.880 It's my wonderful friend Mandall. 2:06:54.480 --> 2:06:56.560 Or you can go to cartographic dot com at c 2:06:56.720 --> 2:06:59.040 A R t O g r A f i q 2:06:59.560 --> 2:07:01.640 dot com because we wanted to make it super hard 2:07:01.680 --> 2:07:02.360 to spell. 2:07:02.680 --> 2:07:05.440 Nice, I can I just ask that a question? Did 2:07:05.440 --> 2:07:06.560 you see one cool thing? 2:07:06.600 --> 2:07:07.120 At the ES? 2:07:07.160 --> 2:07:11.000 We've been talking shit on tech products and men generally. 2:07:11.520 --> 2:07:13.240 Is there anything that you were excited about? 2:07:15.240 --> 2:07:16.760 So I haven't spent that much time around the floor. 2:07:16.800 --> 2:07:19.560 I've been working with my clients. I think there's finally 2:07:19.600 --> 2:07:24.120 some we could do another two hours away. Should we 2:07:24.160 --> 2:07:26.920 get in should we get into like the transition from 2:07:26.920 --> 2:07:29.000 AI hype to like what you can actually do with 2:07:29.000 --> 2:07:32.520 it that actually matters. I have seen some stuff that 2:07:32.520 --> 2:07:34.800 I think it's interesting and fun. I haven't seen anything 2:07:34.800 --> 2:07:36.720 that I'm like, wow, that's going to change my life. 2:07:36.760 --> 2:07:40.720 Like there's a lot of like autonomous like scooters and 2:07:41.480 --> 2:07:44.040 yeah and stuff like that that seem interesting, but I 2:07:44.080 --> 2:07:44.680 don't know if. 2:07:45.600 --> 2:07:46.720 Well that's all I want to know. 2:07:47.080 --> 2:07:48.880 Thank you, Adam. Why don't you do your cool outs 2:07:49.080 --> 2:07:50.320 where you're going to be doing stand up? 2:07:50.440 --> 2:07:53.640 Okay this weekend, h I'm going to be a Madison, 2:07:53.720 --> 2:07:57.920 Wisconsin Next weekend I'll be on Fort Wayne, Indiana. Then 2:07:57.960 --> 2:08:00.680 I'm going to Louisville, Kentucky at the end of January. 2:08:00.880 --> 2:08:03.480 That in early February, will be in Houston, Texas. And 2:08:03.520 --> 2:08:06.000 then I'm taping my new special at the Punchline in 2:08:06.000 --> 2:08:08.640 San Francisco February nineteen through twenty first. Adam conover dot 2:08:08.640 --> 2:08:09.320 net for tickets. 2:08:09.440 --> 2:08:10.920 Hell yeah, Chloe, Hi. 2:08:11.200 --> 2:08:14.480 This weekend I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio. Next weekend i am 2:08:14.640 --> 2:08:19.000 in Washington, d C. The week after that, not the 2:08:19.000 --> 2:08:21.560 weekend January twentieth, twenty first, and twenty second, I'm doing 2:08:21.560 --> 2:08:24.720 my solo show called Cheat, which is a completely separate hour. 2:08:24.840 --> 2:08:26.520 It is not the hour of stand up that I 2:08:26.600 --> 2:08:28.600 do on the road. Ed has seen it and loved it. 2:08:29.960 --> 2:08:32.960 In Philadelphia. Cheat in Philadelphia January twenty twenty one, twenty two, 2:08:32.960 --> 2:08:34.640 and then the weekend after that or oh then two 2:08:34.640 --> 2:08:36.120 weekends after that, I'll be in from months at the 2:08:36.200 --> 2:08:36.440 end of it. 2:08:36.800 --> 2:08:38.880 And as we end this show, big shout out to 2:08:39.440 --> 2:08:42.280 the departed a past last year Shan Paul Adams, friend 2:08:42.320 --> 2:08:45.320 of the show, friend of the Suite, Please donate to 2:08:45.360 --> 2:08:48.040 the Pediatric EPILEEPSI Research Consultium in honor of his son, 2:08:48.040 --> 2:08:51.000 who is epileptic. His family would deeply appreciate it. Thank 2:08:51.040 --> 2:08:53.160 you so much for listening. We've gotten other two hours 2:08:53.160 --> 2:09:04.720 for you coming soon. Thank you for listening to Better Offline. 2:09:04.880 --> 2:09:07.280 The editor and composer of the Better Offline theme song 2:09:07.360 --> 2:09:10.040 is Matasowski. 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