1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: Okay, Episode four of unmask and Unwine. Sorry, I'm never 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: gonna do that again, don't worry. Unmasking of the God 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: Thank you the voice of Olympus. Unmasking of the Gods 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: was this. I love the opening. I thought it was 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: so cool. 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: Jolie's like my favorite one. 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, hands down. So I watched it with Jolie and Jase, 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: and they thought it was really cool. They're like, Mommy, 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: it's ghosts and she goes, oh, wait, gods because they 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: were all dressed in like the white the white costumes. 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: Uh so they were unmasking, not unmasking, but they were 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: showing us all the new contestants for this round. And 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: the first up was a Boogie Woogie. Kids loved him, 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: like loved, loved, loved him. They were like, he's just 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: like Jolly goes, He just like wants me. He makes 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: me want to have fun because there was her sort 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: of thing. I thought he had a good voice. I 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: thought it was a really fun performance, and I thought 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: it was a really good opener of the show. 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. Like the amount of them that I 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: think is a comedian. 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: Oh, he's one thousand percent a comedian. I would be 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 2: shocked if he wasn't, just like how he was moving, 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: you think, yeah, one thousand percent. 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: So therefore, what do you think of the Andy Samberg guess? 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: I think it's a really good guess. That's who Robin said, 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: but I Robin, yeah, Robin, Sorry, that weird. I actually 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 2: think it might be David Spade. 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: M hmm. Interesting. 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: It sounded like him, like his talking voice. It might be, 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: but I don't know. And I was trying to like 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: look at the height and the. 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: David Spades, don't let you, don't let you heal the 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: talking voice. 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, his singing voice like I like, yeah, his 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: his his voice was what I meant. But even the 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: talking like the rules, no, no, no, who did you 39 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: think it was? 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: Me? 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think Andy Samberg. I think 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: that's a good guess it was. 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: I mean, they wanted to be a magician was one 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: of their clues. I wanted to be a clown. 45 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Played yeah, play the magician on SNL. 46 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: I didn't do any Google searching of that, But the 48 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: next person was space Ranger and I one thousand percent, 49 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: I actually no one thousand percent who that is? 50 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, so. 51 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: I feel like and everyone knew it too, even Nick Cannon. 52 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I guess this is where my lack of 53 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: knowledge on American people where my guest goes right. And 54 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: this is based off some of the clues. But so 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I think Olympian and I think boxer an Olympic was 56 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: an Olympic boxer because of some of the clues. But 57 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: also there's a slight lisp in the voice in some things. 58 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: A lot of boxers get that. 59 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: Why because they get hit hit so much? Really? Yeah, 60 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: do is there a liple get like big or something? 61 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: No, I think it's more how the jawwalks. Oh okay, 62 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: So I don't know which one, but my so you 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: know who it is. 64 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: I think it's Tracy Morgan. Just le Jenny thought it 65 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: was Tracy Morgan. Robin thought it was a Tracy Morgan, 66 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 2: and just the clues that he was saying, no, yeah, 67 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: I would be shocked if it wasn't him, really truly off, 68 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: then what did you think? 69 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just said it's a boxer will lisp. 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't know which one, but it's definitely miles away 71 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: from Tracy Morgan. 72 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: It's definitely not not to be rude, but it's definitely 73 00:03:59,160 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: not a singer. 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: No, it's not because I put the singing at five 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: out of ten here on my notes. Dang yeah No. 76 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: Next up was the kid's favorite singer of the night. 77 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: They Loved, Loved, Loved the Griffin. 78 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: The Eagle Lion Loved. 79 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: The Griffin, Jolie said. She said, his voice is so beautiful. 80 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: I actually think I like him better than Coral. This 81 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: was her quote. 82 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: Uh. 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: I thought the costume was great. It's kind of sad, though, 84 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: because one of the things he said was something about 85 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: the dirt off a car, like some of the things 86 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: that people were mean to him made me sad. 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Well, that wasn't that wasn't mean. That was more like 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: he had got so much stardom that someone was willing 89 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: to take the dirt from his car and treasure. 90 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was like a mean thing. I 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: heard that one way wrong. 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Oh, maybe I've heard it wrong. 93 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: We'll have to listen back. 94 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so. It was like, Okay, you're so 95 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: fai miss and so current that even the dot from 96 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: your car is worth saving. 97 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: The clues were a badge skyrocketed, skyrocketed into overnight success. 98 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: School Bell VHS with Pumpkin on it a scary movie. 99 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: Something happened recently for them to realize life is precious. 100 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: I liked the clues of Scream. Uh so the the 101 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: Matthew Lillard was a good one. I Rita also said 102 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: Freddy Prince, I feel like, I don't know if he 103 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: would do a show like this. He's they're pretty private. 104 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't see him Freddy Prince, Yeah, I don't. I 105 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: don't know. I like the David Arcat guest. That was 106 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: my guess. That's what I went because he was in Scream. 107 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I just don't see him singing. 108 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: I know, but that's what's so great about the show, 109 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: you know, Mafia Mafi. Next up was bat and from 110 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: the second she started talking about villain and misunderstood, I 111 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: was like and surrounded by you know, crazy is one 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: hundred percent of Housewife. 113 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: Well the creature of the night thing through me. I'm like, 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: but strange. 115 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that one. I guess Bethany Frankel, 116 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: I didn't think they were saying Larsa Pippen, but I 117 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: don't feel like she would because she's not with Marcus 118 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: Jordan anymore, so I was. I didn't think that she'd 119 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: want to draw attention to that, even though I know 120 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: this was filmed before, but still, but the bat, I 121 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: love that. She was probably my favorite costume. I loved 122 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: her costume. And then she sang Espresso by Sabrina Carpenter, 123 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: which was a really fun song. But she's, you know, 124 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: obviously not I don't not a singer. No sex out 125 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: of ten on the scene, you gave her a six 126 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: out of ten. Why why an extra point because she 127 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: was a sexy bat. You get an extra one for 128 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: being a sexy bat. Oh, it's funny. 129 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: Don't get an extra one for being slightly better than 130 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: space ranging Okay, okay? 131 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: Uh. 132 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: Spent a holiday with Nick Cannon was another clue, so 133 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: someone that he dated. And then the final one was Pearl. Yeah, 134 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: loves performing baseball, Cherry my my notes with her. She 135 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: was definitely older. She kind of had that well, she 136 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: had some knowledge, I thought, with some of the things 137 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: she was saying, and then you could just tell her 138 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: singing voice. She sounded like she's had some life, a 139 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: little raspier, older, But I thought she was great. I 140 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: liked your costume. She's sang saving all My Love for you. 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: But Whitney Houston when she first started, I was like, 142 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: dang girl, definitely think she was a singer. I don't 143 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: think Jenny Thuchni Twain, I don't think that. 144 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't think she was that good a singer. 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: Noway, I think she definitely can sing. 146 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Though my baromas are on people singing gives like it's 147 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: used by people. 148 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: To what percentage did you given? We get a seven? Okay, 149 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: it's good. 150 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: Fis Shania Twaine. I'm pretty sure she'll be a ten 151 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: or a nine. 152 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: Well, the first one to unmask was the bat Sina 153 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: Shay and unfortunately we couldn't get Ghena this week to 154 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: talk about the revealing, so we invited American idol legend 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: Clay Aiken to join us on this week's Unmask and Unwine. 156 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: So let's take a break and then get Clay on 157 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: to talk about life and his experience on the mess 158 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: singer your hair, it's a little fluffy, it's getting a 159 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 2: little high. 160 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean fluffy. Fluffy is a texture. 161 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: Fluffy is not a texture. 162 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: Fluffy is a texture. 163 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: It's not clay is fluffy a texture? No, no, thank you. 164 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: No, I think I mean it's an adjective, not a texture. 165 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: Curly is texture. 166 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: Nos a shape. 167 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: If fluffy's not a texture, then I wouldn't say curly 168 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 3: is a texture. 169 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: Right rough, there we go. 170 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think I know very many textures. 171 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: Well I know now that I'm thinking about, like heart. No, no, 172 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: texture is not what I'm so confused. 173 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: Okay, context, you'ved in the middle. 174 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: Of a Yeah, we've arrived in the middle of a 175 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: domestic That sounds aggressive. You've arrived and we're just jumping 176 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: right into it. But you've arrived in a debate, a 177 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: marital debate because I was saying his hair looks fluffy, Like, 178 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: it looks a little fluffy, but your hair looks great too. 179 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: My hair looks my hair looks a hot mess. And 180 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: hot mess is also not a texture. Right now, this. 181 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: Looks great, It's okay, he's a mess. 182 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: Fluffy. Yeah, I don't think fluffy. It's something a texture, 183 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: something that you can feel, right, I don't think you can. 184 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: I don't think you can feel fluffy. So I'm gonna 185 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: stick with this not a texture. Did I win anything? 186 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: A marital debate? Because I agree with you. 187 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: I've been in thank you. 188 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: There you go, and you won your first one, congratulations, and. 189 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: I've won my first thing ever. I've never won anything before, 190 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: so that's firdus. 191 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: You've never won anything. 192 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: No, god, no, that's what I'm known for. I'm America's 193 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: never won number two? Are you kidding me? I'm always 194 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: coming in second place on. 195 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: Something, so I hear you on that. I've always been third. 196 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: Like every one of my songs on radio, it was 197 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: like I would get a number three, I cannot get 198 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: to one ever, Like it's just a it sits with me. 199 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: And now I'm like, all right, I'm just someone's got 200 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: to be third, you know what I mean? 201 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: You know what, you have to own it it just 202 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: to you know, make it your brand. I don't know 203 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: if I got bronze, it's not as pretty a color 204 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: as silver. No, I'm just saying no. 205 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: It's true. 206 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: Okay. 207 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: Well, Clay, well, thank you for coming on to our 208 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: little fun show. I was able to do Mass Singer 209 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: last season, and I had so much fun on it. 210 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: And so when we were talking to Fox, I'm like, this, 211 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: we should just talk to people that have been on 212 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: the show, that have you know, and then and then 213 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: watched the season, So thank you for coming on. What 214 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: course I love about your season was that you got 215 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: to do it with the buddy, So I think that's 216 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: that's really cool, you know. I mean, you guys and 217 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: you did American Idol obviously together first and second. So 218 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: the fact that you guys were able to to pair 219 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 2: up again, I mean, was that was that your idea 220 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: or was that something Fox approached you with. 221 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: That's something they came to us with. We were on 222 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: tour at the time. Uh together, We had been on 223 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: tour together, and I think we had just done uh 224 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: had we done Idle together earlier that year? Two? Yeah, 225 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: right before the season of Mass Singer tape we had 226 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: done Idle together and we had been our twentieth anniversary. 227 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 3: So I guess they'd seen us together and thought that 228 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: would be clever, and and you know, I had I 229 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: had actually reached out Mass Singer a few years prior 230 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: to that, a lot of it and personally, but had 231 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 3: somebody reached out because I love the show. I just 232 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: thought it was brilliant and thought, oh my god, I 233 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: want to dress up like a fool. Also, I was 234 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: kind of hoping I'd get to keep the costume, which 235 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: you know you don't, but I wanted to do it, 236 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: and they had said, you know, we're afraid that his 237 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: voice is too recognizable and people will you know, won't 238 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: be there, won't be the mystery aspect of it. So 239 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: both and Ruben had the same thing said to him 240 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: by them, So we were kind of thinking, oh, well, 241 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 3: this is going to be pretty quick. They're going to 242 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: guess real fast. But I think the fact that we 243 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 3: went on together and we aren't known as a duo 244 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: necessarily really threw the judges off. So it was kind 245 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: of a clever way to do it. If we had 246 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 3: gone on on our own, they might have been able 247 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: to guess, but since we were together, they were totally lost. 248 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: What was your favorite part about doing the show? 249 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: I see, that's funny. When I when I was thinking 250 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: about coming on here today, I was thinking, what can 251 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: I tell them about the experience? Because there's nothing It's 252 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: the most it's the most there's nothingness experience I've ever 253 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: had in TV, in the sense that you don't see anybody, 254 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: you know, you see I saw Reuben obviously, and I 255 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: saw our vocal you know, the vocal coach that we 256 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: worked with and our dressers and outside of that, you know, 257 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: it is such a well oiled machine. It is so 258 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: high security, high tech that it was almost like we 259 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: didn't have we weren't on a TV show experience. We 260 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 3: never went anywhere. I mean, it is the opposite of idol. 261 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: When we were constantly walking around the studio and doing 262 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: our own thing, it was a it was almost surreal. 263 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: We'd go, we'd show up, you know, you'd we'd leave 264 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: the hotel, always the same person picking us up from 265 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: the hotel every day. Have to be in our hood 266 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: and mask and everything before we got onto the set 267 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: the lot. 268 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember him. Alan would be like, why do 269 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: I just put on these gloves? I'm like, just put 270 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: on the like they just put the gloves on, Like 271 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: that's just what they You need to be completely covered, 272 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 2: He's like, even everything. 273 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 3: And then you never seen, Yes, we did, you know, 274 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: we had a like a management rep or something with 275 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: us also and they had to be covered up too, 276 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: I guess, just in case. Which is funny because Corey 277 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: Feldman was also on our season, and obviously we never 278 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: see anyone but his dressing room, although we never again 279 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: saw him or anyone go into anything. His dressing room 280 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: was next to ours and we could hear him talking 281 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: in his bathroom through our bathroom, so and his speaking 282 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: voice is obviously so recognizable. That's the only person we 283 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: could guess because we could hear him talking in his 284 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: bathroom and practice in and whatnot. And I was like, 285 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: oh my god, that's Corey Feldman. He wants to be 286 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: on the show too. But you never see anybody it was. 287 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,239 Speaker 3: It's sort of it's sort of a really wild experience 288 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: because of that, And I mean, I'm still incredibly impressed. 289 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: I had read a lot about how they do it 290 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: and how secretive it is, but I thought, there's no 291 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: way they actually follow through with that. That's a bunch 292 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: of crap. People just tell the story to make it 293 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: look mysterious. But no, the whole thing totally that secure, 294 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 3: and it made it memorable for that reason. 295 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still get the masks. Yeah. Yeah. 296 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: This dude was sitting in the toilet, like sitting on 297 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: the toilet with the mask on and like the swatch 298 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: like to like try and scare me. 299 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, I was like, you know that 300 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: they're not going to go in the bathroom. 301 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: No, like in our home now, like when we will 302 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: got that, he like, I don't even know where that 303 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: visor is now. I think you went and tried to 304 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: scare your son one time with it, but like he 305 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: had that and I walked in and he was literally 306 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: sitting on the toilet like I'm you know, on the 307 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: top of the toilet and with the mask. I mean, 308 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: I was scared shitless. 309 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: I didn't keep the mask, but I definitely kept that 310 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: sweatshirt that said, don't talk to me. 311 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: What is for you the thing that you know, obviously 312 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: this is a piece of the show, but what do 313 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: you want people to know? Like who is under the mask? 314 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: Because I feel like even as you know, you're an entertainer, 315 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: you're you know, you're always you perform, and there is 316 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: a piece of that mask that's that's layered on even 317 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: you know right now, we all do it so. 318 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: Like I'm not I'm not myself no right just. 319 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: Like oh you know, yeah, we all we all do it. 320 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: We all put on you know, either whether it's for 321 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: Instagram stories or for a post or whatever. And it's 322 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: like what who is behind the mask? 323 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: Well, as it pertains to this, as it pertains to 324 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: doing mass. 325 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: Singer, you mean no to you like for you. 326 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, you know, I said I was joking. 327 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: But I do think because of the way we came 328 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: into the public eye, very few people who were on 329 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: Idol got really well, at least in the early years. 330 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: I'll say, ever got a chance to build the mask. 331 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if you came. I always tell 332 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: people that the first two maybe three, but really the 333 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: first two seasons of the show, nobody, none of us 334 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: knew what to expect. Right the first season of Idol, 335 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: obviously they had no idea what to expect, but even 336 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: then it was I think they got like nine million 337 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: viewers that year and so, which at the time was 338 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: just good enough to get renewed. And our season jumped 339 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: to forty million viewers. So we didn't know going into 340 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 3: it what to expect, and there was there was so 341 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: little pretense with even the production of it. We sort 342 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 3: of just kind of went in on our own. We thought, 343 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: this is going to be a fun thing to do 344 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: for a few weeks, and then we're going to all 345 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: go back to our hometowns and live our lives normally. 346 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 3: So because we didn't know going into it what to expect, 347 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: I don't think any of us prepared, I mean I should. 348 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: We all show showed up looking even more of a 349 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 3: mess than I do today. I mean, we all just 350 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 3: kind of came as ourselves and hoped that it worked. 351 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: In subsequent seasons, I know, folks went on and you know, 352 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: they kind of prepare a little bit more. They'd be 353 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 3: dressed the part, or they'd have their you know, they'd 354 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: come with their stage name already. But we didn't have 355 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 3: a chance to do that. So I think to some 356 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 3: degree there hadn't been as much of a mask because 357 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: I didn't have a chance to put one on. I mean, 358 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: the only mask I can think of. Obviously, I was 359 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 3: not out of the closet at the time when I 360 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: did idle, but I wasn't out to myself either, So 361 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: it wasn't like I was hiding it from the world. 362 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 3: I was hiding it from everybody. So the I think, 363 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: I think I'm just me, and sometimes that works in 364 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: my favor and sometimes it doesn't. 365 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like even you just saying that, you know, 366 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 2: I remember that thing that happened back in the day, 367 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: and you got a lot of hate for it, But 368 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: it's like you're also just being yourself. Too, and you 369 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: were being fun and and I feel. 370 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 3: Like things that happened, oh so many things I've gotten hate. 371 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: Well I'm the identify which. 372 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: One the Kelly Ripper. 373 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: Oh Kelly rip a thing? Oh god, yes. 374 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: And I feel like if I was to put myself 375 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: in that situation, like there's so many times where I'm like, 376 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: babes not you know what I mean, or I'm just 377 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: and I don't mean it in a degrading way. I 378 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: don't mean it in a controlling way. I don't mean 379 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: it in a and I to have eyeballs and to 380 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: have you know, I can see how things can spin 381 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: a certain way, but it's like you didn't even really 382 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: get to have your voice. 383 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 3: And really the irony there is that at the time, 384 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: Buena Vista was talking to me about my own talk 385 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 3: show and they had put me on. You know, Regis 386 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: was not on on Fridays ever, so she always had 387 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 3: a guest, uh, and they had put me on there 388 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: just kind of as a test thing, just to kind 389 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: of see how it would go. And yeah, so that 390 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: so I was very eager to make sure I got 391 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 3: to talk. And yeah, it was obviously just trying to 392 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: be fun and funny but uh, we found I mean, 393 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: I don't know that was that was that was more 394 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 3: of a that turned into more of a story than 395 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: I even realized. I was actually going through old clips 396 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: of things for when I put a Christmas album out 397 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: last year, the pr people wanted me to see if 398 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: I could pull together some clips of years past or whatnot. 399 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: And I was going through some of them and I 400 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 3: found like Entertainment Tonight stories about that. And I had 401 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: not known it had blown up as much as it did. 402 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't even realize in the moment it 403 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 3: had gotten so big. But we but we you know, 404 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 3: we spun it and tried to play it off as 405 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: a joke afterwards. Tory Spelling and I did the AMAS 406 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: a few days later, and she put her hand over 407 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: my mouth. And I'll tell you for for months after 408 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: that happened, I would walk through the airport and people 409 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 3: normally would want to take pictures. That wasn't surprising, but 410 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: they would be like, will you put your hand over 411 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: my mouth like in the picture? They'd want to do it. So, 412 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: you know, you just you make you make the best 413 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: of whatever is thrown. 414 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: At you, right, and what do you do with the 415 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: the other side of it, that the hate of things 416 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 2: like where do you where do you store that? And 417 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: how do you how do you spin it to the 418 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: positive within yourself, because I think that's where I struggle 419 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: the most when negative things. It's like I do my best, 420 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: but it still sits and I don't. It's hard because 421 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 2: you're like, that wasn't my attention, That's not what I 422 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: meant to say, or we're meant to do, or I 423 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: know it probably looks bad, but. 424 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 3: You know, well, well you don't. Back then, I probably 425 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: didn't do it as well. I mean, I had only 426 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: that was oh six, I think, and I had only 427 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: been idle was of three, So I've only been doing 428 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: it for three years. I'm twenty plus years past now, 429 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 3: and I've been doing I've been doing this a while. 430 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: So you get to a point where you realize, you know, 431 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: nobody wants, nobody pays attention to these things, like it's 432 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: not it's not the story you think it is. You 433 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: think that the whole world is knowing about this thing, 434 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: this bad story about you, in the press of this whatever, 435 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 3: but nobody's no. I mean, and and the irony is 436 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: when it's a good story and we want to get 437 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 3: it out. We're frustrated with our publicists because they don't nobody. 438 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 3: Nobody knows about how wonderful I was in this thing 439 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: or whatever, and you're mad about it. But when something 440 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 3: bad happens, you assume everybody knows. No, nobody's paying attention 441 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 3: to that either, and you, you know, it would be 442 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 3: what was that Hilton years ago, the website Perez Hilton, 443 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 3: and you'd think, oh my god, it's on Perez Hilton. 444 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 3: Everybody knows. But he got something like a million clicks 445 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: a day or something like that, which is great, right, 446 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: But there's three hundred and thirty million people in America, 447 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: and of those million clicks, at least half of them, 448 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: it was probably half that because people you know. So 449 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: you just start realizing as you get older and have 450 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: been doing it longer, it's just nobody's paying attention as 451 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: much as you think it is. It's just that everybody 452 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: in your world knows because they know you, and they're 453 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: paying attention to it. So you just have to train 454 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: your brain to not blow things out of proportion. 455 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 2: What do you love most about idle and what do 456 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: you not love with the new changes of everything? 457 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: Oh? God, well, I mean you know, it's very different. 458 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 3: It's almost like, I mean, it's very apples and oranges. Now. 459 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 3: There was an organic nature to it when I did it, 460 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: and I we I feel very lucky that I did 461 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 3: it when I did it, not just because you know, 462 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: being the new the early seasons made it a bigger deal, 463 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: but because people all watched TV together back then, right, 464 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: it was a water cooler discussion. In two thousand and three, 465 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: everybody was like, oh, did you see Idol last night? 466 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: And the country did it together and we were sort 467 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 3: of I mean, our season was sort of the last 468 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: time America did anything as a group. You know, they 469 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 3: watched the show together, so that made it wonderful. And 470 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: I'm also lucky because at the time I was on it, 471 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 3: the show was produced by the company that would end 472 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: up managing and being the record label for the contestants 473 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: who were on it. So there was a vested interest 474 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: in the production to make sure that the people who 475 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 3: were on the show had long careers, had lasting careers. 476 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: And then later the show began to you know, they 477 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: sold it, and the show was produced to be a 478 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: TV show, and the networks want a great show, they 479 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: want the ratings to be wondering where they want the 480 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 3: overnights to come in strong, and they didn't necessarily have 481 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 3: a vested interest in whether or not the contestants had 482 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 3: a long career, So the show was produced a different way. Right. 483 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 3: It's very much more about the judges now than it 484 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: used to be. 485 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: I kind of feel that same way with a voice too, 486 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: where I feel like it's more about the judges than 487 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: it is in. 488 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: So many ways the show is. The contestants are there 489 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: to give the judges something to talk about. 490 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: Right, and then the really good ones I feel like 491 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: they just leave to then try to have their own 492 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: either stardom on TikTok and then grow it that way. 493 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: Right, I mean I gues. I mean, look, Benson Boone 494 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 3: is a perfect example. He did it for a minute 495 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 3: and he was like, oh let me get out of 496 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: here quick before it. 497 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: Ruins me or I signed my life away. 498 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 3: Yes before I so, And now he's bigger than anybody else. 499 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 3: So I just feel lucky that I did it when 500 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: I did it. I also, the world is different, so 501 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: it's the irony behind what we were just talking about, with 502 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 3: the negative stuff and the press that doesn't happen anymore. 503 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: You couldn't. Like the first five years of my career 504 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: were haunted by rumors about my sexual orientation and people 505 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: trying to dig into that and get me to come out. 506 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: And hell, I hadn't even figured it out completely myself. 507 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: You could never do that to somebody now in twenty 508 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: twenty four, twenty twenty five. You couldn't do it now either. 509 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 3: But and that part is good, I would argue that 510 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: part's good. But we have softened a little bit, like 511 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: we don't criticize it all. And I feel like shows 512 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: like Idol in many ways were better when they were 513 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 3: a little bit more critical. Like I grew from some 514 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 3: of the things that were said to me by Simon Cowell, right, 515 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: and they were harsh at the time and they hurt 516 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: to hear, but they gave me something to improve upon. 517 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 3: And I don't know that we're doing too much to 518 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: help these contestants improve. You know, you want them to 519 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: be incredible, even if they're great at the beginning, you 520 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 3: want them to grow some. I remember I went on 521 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: and did the Sea with that Iam tongky one Idol 522 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 3: and did some mentoring with him, and he was in 523 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: I mean just his voice in the room with him. 524 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: It's you. It strikes you he's that good. But throughout 525 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 3: the season he didn't go anywhere like it was the 526 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: same thing. You know, he was already great, but there 527 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 3: there should have been opportunities for him to improve, like 528 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: put the guitar down, put the guitar down, and do 529 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: something a little bit different this week. And I don't 530 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 3: know that we we pushed these kids to improve because 531 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: we're scared to death that we're going to get the 532 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: audience angry at us if we say anything other than 533 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 3: a glowing compliment. 534 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: I do miss the Simon Cowl days, I think, but 535 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: I also can understand how in this day and age 536 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: it's too it would be too harsh, But I. 537 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: And it is the day and age, right because even 538 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 3: Simon Cowell doesn't do it now, America's got talent. 539 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, but there's a piece of me that I mean. 540 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: It was harsh, but he was telling the truth. 541 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 3: He was and like I said, he was telling the truth. 542 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: And you know what, Ruben and I joke with people 543 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: that it was the best boot camp in the world 544 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 3: because every aspect of that show would prepare you for 545 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: the real world afterwards. So you know, why was I 546 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: able to survive some of this tabloid crap or you know, 547 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: criticism from Kelly Rip or whatever. It's because I stood 548 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 3: on a stage in front of forty million people live 549 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: on TV and had Simon Cowell say he preferred me 550 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: with his eyes closed, like, if you can survive that, 551 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 3: you can survive anything. And so sometimes the critiques were 552 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: harsh and maybe unfair, but at the same time, some 553 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: of it was constructive and it made you realize, wait, 554 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't do that. Let me stop. Apparently I 555 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: wink too much or whatever it is. And you work 556 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 3: to improve yourself. And I think right that we all, 557 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: whether it's in that business or any business, we should 558 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 3: want to better ourselves, right, We should want to do 559 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: better the next time, and we can't if someone's not 560 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: telling us how to. Right. 561 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: I think there's like a happy medium with it too, 562 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 2: you know, where it's like, take some of the harshness 563 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: and the softness and mix it together so that way 564 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: the kids want to want to improve the coachure and 565 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 2: Simon Cowell or you know, whoever it is. 566 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking. So if that was a two thousand 567 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: and three, then the only outside criticism you would have 568 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: had would have been like fans forums or chat rooms 569 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: like there would have been no social media then, was there. 570 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: Do you think the stage that you were out in 571 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: your life where you've alluded to that you well, you 572 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: were still confused about your sexuality. Would you have rather 573 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: went through that experience of being on that show back 574 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: then without the intrusion of social media or do you 575 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: think it would have been easier to do it now 576 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: with us when there's such an influx of opinion on 577 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: things due to social media. I think it was more 578 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: difficult then to think it'd be more difficult. 579 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: No, well, I mean it's different. It was more difficult 580 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 3: then simply because the culture had not caught up to 581 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: where we are today. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, 582 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: we didn't have social media, right, we had fan forums 583 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: and message boards and that kind of thing, but no Twitter, 584 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: no Facebook, and under that, but the culture and society 585 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: had not quite was not okay with it. I mean, 586 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: we had politicians running on very well that you still do, 587 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: but but we had politicians running for office on very 588 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: homophobic platforms back then. 589 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 590 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 3: And the mood of the country was not one that 591 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: was comfortable with it. It was it was still very 592 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 3: it was still very taboos. So to that degree, i'd 593 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 3: I would have rather done it now, right, it would 594 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 3: have been easier. But but again, you know, I can't 595 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 3: regret anything, I mean anything that I had, anything had 596 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: gone differently. I mean, I've got a kid now. I 597 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: never would have had a kid had it not been 598 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: for confiding in the in the friend who I had 599 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: the child with about being gay before I did told 600 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: many other people. I mean, every it's like sliding doors, right, 601 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: if you do anything different, you won't be where you 602 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: are today. So I don't regret anything, but certainly I 603 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: will say this, I'm certainly very happy, very glad that 604 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: I believe I was the last person who ended up 605 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: on the cover of a magazine because they came out 606 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: of the closet after I came out, everyone was able 607 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: to sort of kind of mention it on Instagram or 608 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: whatever and let it kind of fly under the radar, 609 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: and it wasn't a big story. So I'm I'm glad 610 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 3: that it doesn't affect people in such a you know, 611 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: splashy impactful way. 612 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: Right, because I mean, if you think about too. Allen 613 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: DeGeneres came out in ninety seven, so that isn't that 614 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: long ago, you know, And so to your point too, 615 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: I mean it's it shouldn't be I'm glad you got 616 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: to tell your story, obviously, but it shouldn't be this 617 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: like cover, like you're this anomaly, you know, right. 618 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: I mean Lance Bass came out I think two years. 619 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: I think he came out in six and I was 620 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 3: in eight and st Interestingly enough, all the other people 621 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 3: who you think about who are out in the public 622 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 3: eye now, most of them came out afterwards. I mean 623 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: even Neil Patrick Harris didn't come out till after me, 624 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 3: and Ricky Martin and Anderson Cooper and all these folks, 625 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 3: they were several years after we did. So the society 626 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: made it more more acceptable, made it easier for people, 627 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm glad that has happened. I'm glad 628 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: that young people and old people who are coming out 629 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: to don't have to deal with it in the same way. 630 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, to close up, what is your favorite part about parenthood? 631 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: Well, I've got a sixteen year old now, so it's 632 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 3: it's a little less than he used to. 633 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: He's got it. Well, we've got we've got a seventeen 634 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: year old, so so you get it. Well, he gets 635 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: it more. I have a lovely step child, step son 636 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: and so but yees, so we've got to get it 637 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: sixteen month old, a six nine and then seventeen. 638 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's also the you know, the teenage 639 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: boy and dad start. You know, he wants his independence now, 640 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: which obviously I want to give him. I'm sure you're 641 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: dealing with the same thing you want to give him. 642 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: But you know you ain't an adult, dammit, And you 643 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 3: don't get to make all your decisions on your own. 644 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: And know you don't get to drive around this afternoon 645 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: after school when there's a tornado coming. You get your buttet, 646 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, So that that becomes it 647 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 3: comes a fun challenge. There are a few little one 648 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 3: upsmanship going on, but it's it's more and more in 649 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: press and exciting now. I mean, obviously there was the cute, 650 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 3: cuddly times and the sweet funny stuff when they he 651 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: was three, four, five, seven, whatever. Now you know, I'm 652 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 3: seeing him turn into sometimes very moody, but oftentimes incredibly 653 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 3: mature young man who has an idea of what he 654 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: wants to do with his life after school. I see 655 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: a lot of ways that he's handling things differently than 656 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: I would have, which is sort of impressive to me. 657 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: I'm getting to watch this adult start to become an adult, 658 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 3: and that is exciting to see. It makes me a 659 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 3: little sad because I see pictures of him on my 660 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 3: screensaver when he was young, and I'm like, Oh, where's 661 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: that kid. But it's nice to have to have been 662 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: a part of this young man becoming an independent person. 663 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: Now that's crazy. What's that start? Is at like eighty 664 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: percent of the time that you spend with your kids 665 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: as before the age of ten. 666 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the most depressing style. I can't even like, 667 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: is it truly? 668 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 3: Really? 669 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so sad. We are we are we in love? 670 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 3: Clay, Oh God, I don't have. I don't have. I'm 671 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 3: too stubborn to be willing to change myself for anybody. 672 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 3: I wasn't willing to do that, right, But I was not. 673 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 3: I was more than happy and willing to change myself 674 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 3: fifteen years ago for someone. I was, Oh, whatever I 675 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 3: need to be, And now I just I don't want 676 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 3: it that bad. So when the right person comes along, 677 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 3: if I happen to meet them, because I've left the 678 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 3: house for the first time in a month, then I'll 679 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 3: then it'll work out beautifully because I'll be myself. But 680 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: I'm not looking for it, and like I said, I 681 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 3: don't leave the house enough for it to fall in 682 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: my lap. So I'm perfectly happy living my life at 683 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 3: this age the way I want to and not. 684 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: Very younger than us. So you cannot do. 685 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 3: That, Okay, I don't think that's possible, but I yes, Wait, 686 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 3: how old are you now? You tell me first told 687 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 3: you I'm forty. 688 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: One, I'm forty four and I'm forty six, so I 689 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: was right, I'm older. 690 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but because I look so it's just because 691 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 3: I look so adorable and young, and because I still 692 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: thinks i'm twenty four from yes, and it's twenty two years. 693 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: That's wild because I remember watching so that just yes, 694 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 2: aging the you had your Christmas album? Are you doing 695 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: any more music or what can listeners expect in this 696 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five? 697 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 3: You know, I left music for a long time to 698 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: do other things, have a kid be around for him, 699 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 3: do politics quite a bit, and I'm just now getting 700 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 3: to a point where I am starting to think, you 701 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 3: know what, I don't ever want to do politics again. 702 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 3: Screw all of them. So I'm going back to performing more. 703 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 3: I imagine I'll do some more music. I don't have 704 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: a specific plan for what that would be. Christmas has 705 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 3: always been sort of my favorite thing to sing at 706 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 3: and perform yep, so the Christmas Album was a way 707 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 3: to continue to do that and kind of add to 708 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: the other Christmas projects I've done. But I am starting 709 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: to get a little bit of an itch to do 710 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,959 Speaker 3: some other stuff, so I imagine that'll happen before too long. 711 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 2: I love that. Well, Clay, thank you for coming on. 712 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: We appreciate you just being open and authentic and letting 713 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: down the mask. 714 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 3: Dun dun dug. 715 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, thank you. 716 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 3: Thanks for thinking I was younger than you. I appreciate it. 717 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 3: I mean I really truly did. 718 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 2: I thought when I used to watch, you know, watch 719 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 2: in high school, you were or sways and two. No, 720 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 2: that was I just graduated. 721 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, we we were old contestants every for Like 722 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 3: I said, everything about season two was weird. We were old. 723 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: All of us were twenty three and twenty four. Ruben 724 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 3: kim Lock, myself, we were all twenty four, and after 725 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 3: us they all were eighteen. So yeah, we were We're 726 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 3: the grandparents of the show. I don't even think there's 727 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 3: there's I mean, Kelly and Justin were Kelly's only forty two, 728 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 3: I think now still so. Ruben and I literally still 729 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 3: are the oldest Idol contestants. We are the grandpa's but. 730 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 2: Young at heart. Yes, there you are all right? Well, Clay, 731 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: thank you, and I hope you survived the strong winds. 732 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 3: Yes, I think we might make it. I appreciate it.