Speaker 1: Is this the one and only time when the rebel
Speaker 1: crickhopper will actually catch a fish. Sometimes I'll just stand
Speaker 1: there and get bit by like three pithombs. Don't you
Speaker 1: even dare come at me with fruit? Watermelon in Savina?
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Speaker 1: do it. Don't answer me why they don't. So, just
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Speaker 1: can be performed by anyone, by any human. I think
Speaker 1: I think that's what they were going for. That that's
Speaker 1: what bees were for, weren't they It sucks as it cuts, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what do you expect? Man? I mean that the
Speaker 1: haircuts there costs six bucks, which is probably why my
Speaker 1: mom took me to super cuts until I got to
Speaker 1: junior high, at which point I refused to get any
Speaker 1: haircuts at all anymore so I could grow up my
Speaker 1: sweet sweet locks. Yeah, oh yeah, and I'm I'm I
Speaker 1: am fairly certain you were very proud of those locks
Speaker 1: back in the day. We just washed the hair well,
Speaker 1: I worked on the hair a long time, and you
Speaker 1: hit it. He hits my hair. I've actually got a
Speaker 1: photo of you with which you sent me from your
Speaker 1: teen years to prove it, and it's hilarious, dud. I
Speaker 1: did send you that. I may regret it, and it
Speaker 1: honestly if that if that picture had anything to do
Speaker 1: with fishing, it would it would probably be our greatest
Speaker 1: awkward photo of all totally totally see I never had
Speaker 1: long hair, but it was bleached blonde for frosted. No, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Now, it wasn't frosted. It wasn't frosted like I.
Speaker 1: I did it with the stuff, but I left it
Speaker 1: on way too long, and then you convince yourself like
Speaker 1: it looks cool. This is something like the end of
Speaker 1: my my punk like end of high school. But I see.
Speaker 1: I'm not sending you any of those photos because I
Speaker 1: know better you're right, because I mean in the photo
Speaker 1: that you sent me, you are wearing a fish hook necklace,
Speaker 1: like a big thick tribal fish hook like I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's also been used on certain Salt Life apparel,
Speaker 1: one of those everybody knows what I'm talking about, or
Speaker 1: it was it has been and and yes I did
Speaker 1: wear one of those four and and you're you're playing
Speaker 1: the bongos shirtless. Yeah, I moved out of the metal
Speaker 1: punk era and I was into a reggae phase. I
Speaker 1: think I did not smoked saying whatever you just play,
Speaker 1: that's like a real reggae that's like I I was
Speaker 1: listening to like Jimmy Cliff and that's like poser don't
Speaker 1: count right exactly. But anyway, look regardless, I will make
Speaker 1: sure to post that photo up on Instagram today so
Speaker 1: everyone can bask in your eighteen year old glory. But
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Speaker 1: truly to be working with them. I've actually been fishing
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Speaker 1: ass like stuff likewise, I've had, I've been doing the
Speaker 1: same and it's it's performed really really well. Yep yep.
Speaker 1: But the Cash Danzig debate actually reminds me of something
Speaker 1: you brought up a few episodes ago. Um. In the
Speaker 1: end of the line, you did about the pistol peat.
Speaker 1: You talked about how how fly fishing went from being
Speaker 1: something that that many anglers did because it was the
Speaker 1: most effective way to fish small lords to a kind
Speaker 1: of like countercultural rebellious statement in the seventies and eighties,
Speaker 1: to and elite a status symbol in the nineties and
Speaker 1: two thousands, And that got me thinking about fishing sort
Speaker 1: of like more broadly, what what does identifying as an
Speaker 1: angler mean? In like, what are the cultural stereotypes about
Speaker 1: fishing these days? I don't know. I don't know how
Speaker 1: I answer to that. I feel like I feel like,
Speaker 1: on a gut level, I feel like fishing is getting
Speaker 1: younger and in some ways cooler than when we were kids,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's like, I don't have anything to
Speaker 1: back that up. It's it's it's pretty much anecdotal. Like
Speaker 1: high school and college bass fishing clubs and tournaments seemed
Speaker 1: to be everywhere in the last few years and growing
Speaker 1: really fast. And then and then you got all the
Speaker 1: short films with lots of dubstep drops that have made
Speaker 1: fishing seem more exciting than than the days when it
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, I go out and get sunburned,
Speaker 1: with Grandpa and watch a bobber Like. They're the representations
Speaker 1: I see of it make are are definitely trying to
Speaker 1: make it cooler, but that might just be me projecting
Speaker 1: and feeling hopeful, right because you know, you really hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about until right now, but you really don't see
Speaker 1: fishing in mainstream media like you know, we we've talked
Speaker 1: about in other places in our company, how help hunting
Speaker 1: has portrayed in mainstream media. But I'm struggling to come
Speaker 1: up with examples of of of fishing, right, And that's
Speaker 1: usually how I gauge social attitudes by anything like how
Speaker 1: how's it looking a major movie or or or on
Speaker 1: a TV show? And I can't think of like has
Speaker 1: there been a major movie about fishing since Grumpy Old Men?
Speaker 1: Has that even happened? Oh? Several gone fishing with Joy Glover? Okay, movies, people, Actually,
Speaker 1: did you have you watched that movie? No? Nor did
Speaker 1: I see two thousand eights Bait Shop with that redneck
Speaker 1: comic dude, here's your sign and Miley Cyrus's dad O. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're making my boy. Though I could see those either,
Speaker 1: so those don't count. Now, you're right, You're right, you're right,
Speaker 1: and how particular activities are represented in movies are on
Speaker 1: TV shows. It's sort of like the ultimate, like litmus
Speaker 1: test of how our society views those activities and the
Speaker 1: people who partaking them. So fishing's absence, I guess from
Speaker 1: the greater media landscape is telling me at least. I
Speaker 1: think I'm not totally sure what that's saying. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I don't know either. I think
Speaker 1: like you could look at it as a positive thing, right,
Speaker 1: You could say that the fact that you don't see
Speaker 1: fishing splashed around mainstream media is good because we get
Speaker 1: to self define at least to some extent, or instead
Speaker 1: of being pigeonholed is like the redneck thing or the
Speaker 1: elitist thing, or the counterculture thing. I don't know. We're
Speaker 1: we're figuring that we get to figure out what that
Speaker 1: is for ourselves as our own culture. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a It's an interesting question, and I think it
Speaker 1: leads me to wonder because I genuinely don't know what
Speaker 1: is what is the broader cultural attitude about fishing and
Speaker 1: anglers right now? And I feel like I'm too close
Speaker 1: to it to answer it, right, I I I just
Speaker 1: know such a broad spectrum of people who identify as anglers.
Speaker 1: And for example, one one good example would be our
Speaker 1: friend river Horse. Yeah, he defies he kind of defies
Speaker 1: simple classification. Um but I did. I've said for a
Speaker 1: long time now I really hope he gets his own
Speaker 1: TV show one. Oh, me too, me too? Imagine I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. It would be like Oh, it would
Speaker 1: be like a much more serious version of fishing with John,
Speaker 1: which I would love to see. But if that does
Speaker 1: ever happen, he'll probably get, you know, too big to
Speaker 1: hang out with us. So we better better enjoy our
Speaker 1: time with river Horse while we can, and uh and
Speaker 1: get ourselves some sagely wisdom about long hair, fishing rods
Speaker 1: and international travel. Hey, now, this is river Horse coming
Speaker 1: to you with some sagely wisdom. You remember the days
Speaker 1: when the passport was in your hand and you're heading
Speaker 1: out of that country to stick him? Well, me too.
Speaker 1: This is a little story called strange customs, And don't
Speaker 1: you or those days will be back soon. Legs are
Speaker 1: spread for the umpteenth time. There is nothing better to
Speaker 1: dim the postcoit after global road trip than an airport
Speaker 1: cop song and dance random my ass. This is a shakedown,
Speaker 1: That's all there is to it. I had warned the
Speaker 1: guys not to stand anywhere near me because it happens
Speaker 1: every time. They had already made it through, and we're
Speaker 1: watching in the wings, laughing their asses off. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was the woo who held. When the US Customs agent
Speaker 1: swept his hands through my another world, his cheeks turned
Speaker 1: to light crimson, and then he got piste. Not funny,
Speaker 1: it was to me. For some reason. Airport cops love
Speaker 1: fly rods and surfboards. Having hair from my trucker cap
Speaker 1: to my tailbone is the kicker. It gives permission for
Speaker 1: individual screenings, pat downs, rub downs, and plenty of questions
Speaker 1: in an airport these days. Long hair is the gift
Speaker 1: that keeps on give it. When you call an airport
Speaker 1: cop on the carpet for yet another game of cat
Speaker 1: and very innocent mouse, they turned down right sheepish. You know, Salvador,
Speaker 1: there is a traffic light security device that you must
Speaker 1: attempt to pass through. Green means go fish, red, forget it,
Speaker 1: strip search. I've attempted to get through that damn light
Speaker 1: eight times and got red every time, eight for eight
Speaker 1: I see your feet stepping on the switch that triggers
Speaker 1: a light. I told the airport cop in Spanish. He
Speaker 1: looked away fast, with a grin on his face. And
Speaker 1: now here in the Caribbean. The security agent looks down
Speaker 1: the barrel of every single one of my eight weights.
Speaker 1: He takes the rods out, shakes the tube. I see
Speaker 1: the ever sparkling shimmer and shine of the Caribbean sunlight
Speaker 1: streaming through the windows. I hold my arms wide for
Speaker 1: another pat down. Oh shit, he finds the secret stash
Speaker 1: in the breast pocket of my coat. He's got me
Speaker 1: a peanut butter and strawberry jam sandwich. The backpack has
Speaker 1: been ransacked and rifled through. I've been asked my mother's
Speaker 1: maiden name, the city in which I was born. Even
Speaker 1: the reels have a few feet are lines stripped up
Speaker 1: before they are placed back in the gray band. Let alone.
Speaker 1: The long discussion about what is a river horse? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 1: I've always run clean and wild my entire life, never
Speaker 1: wanting to dim the light. If you can't find yourself
Speaker 1: higher than a kite from simply being on the water,
Speaker 1: then you are beyond lost. By the time I catch
Speaker 1: up to the rest of the guys, they already have
Speaker 1: a beer waiting on the counter for me. It tastes delicious.
Speaker 1: It tastes like freedom. I hope you enjoyed our little
Speaker 1: Sage the Wisdom's story today. And remember, I know times
Speaker 1: they're a little funky right now, but this world needs
Speaker 1: us to take care of each other, be there for
Speaker 1: each other. There are wonderful days ahead. And we all
Speaker 1: know that fly fishermen and women and especially tree hugger
Speaker 1: hippie jerkey viking Texans never get profile at the airport. Nah. So, dude,
Speaker 1: did you read his article The Darkest Web? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the one about the illegal fishing scene in the Gulf
Speaker 1: of Mexico. Word Like straps on a kevlar vest and
Speaker 1: impends himself with the Texas game boardens trying to chase
Speaker 1: down the illegal commercial fish. I devoured that article, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was truly one of the best pieces
Speaker 1: of fish journalism I've read in a long time. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of depressing, right, but it's it's just
Speaker 1: so well written and just so engaging, such an awesome piece.
Speaker 1: The scene with the shark fins. Yeah, anyway, you gotta
Speaker 1: read it. You gotta read it. It's free. Google the
Speaker 1: Darkest Web river Horse You'll find it. It's worth ten
Speaker 1: minutes of your time, especially if you like river horses style,
Speaker 1: which we do. He's unapologetically freaky, and he's proud of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is, and judging by some of the submissions
Speaker 1: we get, so are many of you. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: highlight one particular individual who lets his freak flag fly
Speaker 1: high in this week's Awkward Moment in Angling. This is
Speaker 1: the part of the show where we break down fishing
Speaker 1: photos sent in by you listeners, because really, other than
Speaker 1: like Christmas cards or or senior pictures, what genre of
Speaker 1: photography is more ripe for ridicule than fish picks? Well,
Speaker 1: to take a picture a lave. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever found myself wondering what a fish fly freak might
Speaker 1: look like, or even contemplating that such a creature might exist.
Speaker 1: But once listener Andrew Patorski send us an email titled
Speaker 1: Lake St. Clair Phish Fly Freak Award photo, I became
Speaker 1: immediately curious, like, what's what's the fish fly? How exactly
Speaker 1: does it get freaky out. I don't know. I can
Speaker 1: answer the first part of the question because in Michigan,
Speaker 1: uh fish fly is a common name for Hexa Genium
Speaker 1: may flies. The hecks, which are okay, you know, the
Speaker 1: hecks which are large, Yeah, which are large insects that
Speaker 1: emerge from the lakes and rivers of the Upper Midwest
Speaker 1: every summer, sometimes in just insanely massive numbers. And the
Speaker 1: swarms they're sometimes so huge they show up on weather
Speaker 1: radar like a snowstorm, so thick that they can cover
Speaker 1: streets and cause traffic to slide off the road. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: not now, I know what we're talking about. So like
Speaker 1: for for fish and anglers, both the hecks are there.
Speaker 1: They're kind of a big deal, very much there there.
Speaker 1: They're these inch long bugs that live most of their
Speaker 1: lives burrowed in the substrate of lakes, ponds and slow
Speaker 1: moving rivers where when they're when they're down in there,
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty safe from predators. But when the conditions
Speaker 1: get just right, all the bugs at the same time
Speaker 1: swim to the surface right around dusk, they sprout wings,
Speaker 1: they hatch out of the water. They mate mid air
Speaker 1: in these massive swarms and then lay their eggs back
Speaker 1: in the water and die. And that whole process takes
Speaker 1: less than two days, and during that window, birds and
Speaker 1: dragonflies and especially fish feast on all that easily available protein. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hence the reason people call them fish flies in certain
Speaker 1: areas because yeah, and I actually was once told, um
Speaker 1: it was it was lake walleye guys in Michigan or
Speaker 1: maybe Wisconsin. I don't know, but they coined that term
Speaker 1: fish flies because they'd be like, we ain't catching any
Speaker 1: wally eyes right now because of them damn fish fly,
Speaker 1: Like they didn't know what hexagenia was, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: And the whole thing is a nighttime game because, like
Speaker 1: you said, these bugs are nocturnal, so that's when the
Speaker 1: fish eat them. And then what happens is theoretically they
Speaker 1: eat them all night long, so they're full the next
Speaker 1: day and don't eat anything, so the walleye guys get
Speaker 1: up and can't catch walleye because they're full. And the
Speaker 1: hex hatch is one of the best times a year
Speaker 1: to get a crack at a really huge brown right
Speaker 1: on a drive month the kind of fish that are
Speaker 1: usually hidden and really wary. It's kind of why it's
Speaker 1: such a big deal in Michigan because you have those
Speaker 1: tight streams of all that deadfall. Those fish are tucked
Speaker 1: in throughout the day. Um, but they'll they'll come out
Speaker 1: and and feed aggressively when those bugs emerge, and they're
Speaker 1: they're best known to trout fishermen, but just about every
Speaker 1: fish will eat them, including panfish, like I said, Wally
Speaker 1: um and bass. So that answers the first part of
Speaker 1: the question. We know what a fish fly is now,
Speaker 1: But to answer the second part, what's a what is
Speaker 1: a fish fly freak? Which I have a hard time
Speaker 1: saying fish fly? It does it doesn't grow right off
Speaker 1: the tongue. But to answer that, we got to go
Speaker 1: to the photo right And now I'm gonna start by
Speaker 1: by setting the scene. It's nighttime and the freak in
Speaker 1: question is standing in front of a railing with a
Speaker 1: body of water in the background. He's well lit from
Speaker 1: above and all that seems to indicate that he's standing
Speaker 1: under a large floodlight and dock fishing, and it seems
Speaker 1: he's having at least a little success. Right He's holding
Speaker 1: a very average large mouth in the standard large mouth
Speaker 1: lip grip. But I can't really tell I can't really
Speaker 1: tell how he's feeling about the catcher anything else, because
Speaker 1: his his face is completely obscured. Yes, and by obscured
Speaker 1: you mean covered completely top to bottom by fish flies.
Speaker 1: Right in this photo like Andrew has no eyes, no mouth,
Speaker 1: no no. It is something out of a horror movie.
Speaker 1: And the Mothman prophecies comes to mind, even though I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's actually a scene like that. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just what pops in there. Anyway. There's just
Speaker 1: one little slice of cheek showing, but that's about it.
Speaker 1: The rest is almost entirely hex may flies. In fact,
Speaker 1: just about every exposed surface in the photo is covered
Speaker 1: in bugs, except the fish itself, which is strangely clean.
Speaker 1: I don't quite get that. Um, But even the background
Speaker 1: is just a blur of flying insects. The only physical
Speaker 1: attribute of Andrew that we can really make out is
Speaker 1: his beard, which isn't truly it's impressive. It's some impressive
Speaker 1: facial hair. Um. It appears to at least be a
Speaker 1: foot long, and and and amazon only in jungle thick
Speaker 1: and it's a particular image however, right it also seems
Speaker 1: to have become like a tangled breeding ground for these
Speaker 1: these giant bugs making sweet love and his beard. I
Speaker 1: think they really, they're just all over it. The photo alone,
Speaker 1: just the photo by itself is fantastic, right, and we're
Speaker 1: not even making fun of it. It's just a it's
Speaker 1: just a great photo. But I think I think the
Speaker 1: backstory that Andrew sentis in an email just gives the
Speaker 1: whole thing another layer that I appreciate. He wrote, a
Speaker 1: hex hatch like this up in northern Michigan is what
Speaker 1: dreams are made of when you're going after trout, But
Speaker 1: fishing for warm water species with conventional gear during a
Speaker 1: hatch like this on Lake St. Clair can be a
Speaker 1: nightmare because the fish aren't hungry. At that time of
Speaker 1: my life, the only time I could get together with
Speaker 1: buddies to fish was during the evening, which happens to
Speaker 1: be when the fish flies, what we call these may
Speaker 1: flies in the area, hatch and become incredibly dense. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's extremely tough to catch anything during crazy hatch like
Speaker 1: this on the lake, but I noticed a weird pocket
Speaker 1: of fish fly carcasses that collected under a particular light post.
Speaker 1: Bass and bluegill would occasionally rise to engulf mouthfuls of
Speaker 1: the spinners, and so I ended up tossing an unwaited
Speaker 1: single tail grub green pumpkin zoom fat albert into that
Speaker 1: pile and caught this small largie. Andrew also noted that
Speaker 1: that he does like to fly fish, and he does
Speaker 1: target trout, which really just dials up the irony of
Speaker 1: this particular photo. Yeah. As I say, once you once
Speaker 1: you get that context, I think the picture goes from
Speaker 1: just being odd to legitimately being funny. Because there's there's
Speaker 1: poor dude in the middle of one of the most
Speaker 1: famous hatches in fishing, one that's known for bringing giant
Speaker 1: and elusive browns to hand, and he's holding the dinker
Speaker 1: bass and fishing with a green pumpkins soft plastic. The
Speaker 1: only thing, the only thing that would make it funnier
Speaker 1: and more ironic, is if he had like a push
Speaker 1: button reel, like a push button now fit, and that's
Speaker 1: what he was using. Um So, I mean, even though
Speaker 1: I can't see his face, I can imagine it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yep, yep, I've got a prettyular
Speaker 1: deal what might be going on behind all those bugs
Speaker 1: and beard uh And if you out there want to
Speaker 1: see what the fish fly freak actually looks like. Check
Speaker 1: out Joe on my Instagram pages at Joe Sormelli onety
Speaker 1: eight and at water Miles. Yeah, and if you have
Speaker 1: an awkward fishing photo you think is worthy of getting
Speaker 1: picked apart on this show, send it please to Bent
Speaker 1: at the meat Eater dot com. I've never actually experienced
Speaker 1: the Hex hatch in my life. Yeah. Yeah, I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but but me either. Man. I I've
Speaker 1: I've interviewed, No, I haven't. I've I've mouse fished in
Speaker 1: Hex territory later in the summer, but I've never been
Speaker 1: there up in Michigan or anything for for the hecks,
Speaker 1: and I've interviewed tons of guides about it. I've I've
Speaker 1: written articles based on their info, but I've never actually
Speaker 1: gotten there myself. And I love I love night fishing.
Speaker 1: You think I would know, I haven't picked it. It
Speaker 1: seems like something you would go do. I so, having
Speaker 1: never done it, I assume that it's like the salmon
Speaker 1: fly hatch out here, meaning it's cool, but it's it's
Speaker 1: also overrated, And by that I mean it's there's so
Speaker 1: much hype right that there's no way that it can
Speaker 1: ever live up to the expectations. A good example, you
Speaker 1: just said, you've written about it, You've interviewed people about it,
Speaker 1: You've talked and talked and talked and talked about it.
Speaker 1: All these Markie hatches get all that attention and and
Speaker 1: so when people think they're gonna go do it, they
Speaker 1: expect it to be the greatest experience, like this transcendent
Speaker 1: fishing experience. And yeah, there are lots of giant bugs,
Speaker 1: and yeah, just about everything eats them. But like Andrew
Speaker 1: explained his email, there's so much food available in the
Speaker 1: middle of those events that a lot of times the
Speaker 1: fisher just gorged and they're full, and they're not that
Speaker 1: easy to catch. So you get the hatch, but you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily catch the fish. Yeah, and like you really
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head there. It's it's I'd
Speaker 1: love to fish a hex hatch, right, But it's it's
Speaker 1: not like like an insane bucket list item for me,
Speaker 1: Like I look at it like if I get there,
Speaker 1: someday I get there, and that would be cool. Um,
Speaker 1: But you make a good point. I feel the same
Speaker 1: way when you when you interview people for these stories,
Speaker 1: you're hearing about it. Like in its most glorious form,
Speaker 1: and and then if you like, I know people who
Speaker 1: have gone to fish the hex hatch and they catch
Speaker 1: one trout in four nights of doing it. You know.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with like the cape cod canal
Speaker 1: come up here and crushing. But I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people who make that drive and catch two. So
Speaker 1: I'd love to um, but I don't know. Maybe it
Speaker 1: maybe it is overrated. I'll tell you what's not overrated, though,
Speaker 1: fish news. Fish news. That escalated quickly. Alright, So no
Speaker 1: particular direct shout outs for me this week, although I
Speaker 1: do hope you guys enjoyed the second installment of b
Speaker 1: side Fishing this week, Little pickerel fishing in the Rockets
Speaker 1: South it's not yeah down in the South Jersey pine barrens,
Speaker 1: which I think the bigger message of that one was
Speaker 1: proving um, as I said in the video, a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, there is not an olive garden or pizzeria
Speaker 1: uno on every piece of open land in the state
Speaker 1: of New Jersey. I thought the takeaway was was don't
Speaker 1: don't show your friend your spots because they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna out fish you. I missed the point. I did
Speaker 1: get crushed, but look, I'm about keeping it real and
Speaker 1: I just I did not fake it. I got I
Speaker 1: got my ass handed to me on the fish front.
Speaker 1: But I hope you guys enjoyed that. Well. Now we
Speaker 1: we actually we made some we pickled pickroll in that episode,
Speaker 1: which I gotta tell you it was delicious. That was
Speaker 1: new to me and I thought it was terrific, which
Speaker 1: is sort of a play on episode one um where
Speaker 1: we made cevich a and just browsing through through comments
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Speaker 1: very positive. There was one dude, though, who just hammered
Speaker 1: me from my cevich a and was like, don't you
Speaker 1: even dare come at me with fruit, watermelon and cevich
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Speaker 1: weird ship. So I'll look it up. I'll try it
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Speaker 1: But apparently I don't know cevich a. Look, I've never
Speaker 1: I've had for my bea before, but I've never had watermelons.
Speaker 1: So but I'm not saying it won't work. I don't
Speaker 1: know you're putting you're putting citrus juice. In there. You
Speaker 1: can't tell me there's no fruit in cevich a when
Speaker 1: like one of the main ingredients is citrus juice. So
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Speaker 1: a lot of you, this won't be news. And I
Speaker 1: know this because you're d m ng me incessantly about it.
Speaker 1: But in case you live near me and the southeastern
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania region and are not aware, we're having a brood
Speaker 1: x cicada hatch this year, per science, it will be
Speaker 1: exactly and uh, right now, there are dozens, maybe hundreds
Speaker 1: of you tugging at your brewed x TCH just got
Speaker 1: brud x x brune. So you might have also noticed that,
Speaker 1: like on Insta and YouTube, right now, all the tires
Speaker 1: are carving foam and stacking hair and preparation of this event,
Speaker 1: and so we're clear, I'm not I'm not making fun
Speaker 1: of the hatch because I'm told it's it's something to behold.
Speaker 1: I've never experienced it personally. I just love the anticipation
Speaker 1: and the name brewed X. I find so perfectly like
Speaker 1: bro bra even though they aren't the people that named it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, it sounds like kind
Speaker 1: of like an energy drink. Anyway, It's a fascinating deal though,
Speaker 1: and there was a big story about it on the
Speaker 1: website of CBS Pittsburgh. This is from the story. The
Speaker 1: bugs have been lurking beneath the surface since two thousand four,
Speaker 1: feeding on sap from the roots of plants, according to
Speaker 1: Michael J. Rob Emeritus Professor of entomology at the University
Speaker 1: of Maryland. Once they're mature, the big brood will emerge
Speaker 1: in fifteen states, where they'll spend two to four weeks
Speaker 1: in late Man early June, courting, mating, flying, driving people crazy,
Speaker 1: being eaten by everything, including humans. Like so apparently this
Speaker 1: dude actually eats He eats the cicadas as much as
Speaker 1: the fish. So these things have been underground here since
Speaker 1: two thousand four, and they only hatch once every seventeen years.
Speaker 1: And like I said, well I've never experienced it. I've
Speaker 1: seen plenty of video and it's nuts, particularly if you
Speaker 1: like to fly fish for carp I'm sure you've seen
Speaker 1: some of those videos kicking around. Um, yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 1: they I mean, they get stupid on them and even
Speaker 1: though a carp might pass up a loan bug at
Speaker 1: a different time of year, they get so keyed into
Speaker 1: this insane amount of protein on the surface they go ballistic.
Speaker 1: And what I think is cool about this hatch is
Speaker 1: that it's it's not really trout centric, you know. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: sure you can catch a big old wild brown during
Speaker 1: the brewed X hatch, but this is like the bass
Speaker 1: fly guys hatch, and it's essentially it's like a popper hatch,
Speaker 1: you know, like the trout dudes are always trying to
Speaker 1: go dainty to match olives and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: like you want a cicada fly at a splat and
Speaker 1: then you can literally chug it across the surface still water,
Speaker 1: moving water doesn't matter, and that's just badass. So um,
Speaker 1: it's like the ultimate terrestrial hatch. And they interviewed George
Speaker 1: Daniel in the piece. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: George at all or no of George Daniel, but he's
Speaker 1: an East Coast guy, great guy, written a lot of books,
Speaker 1: very knowledgeable angler, and he had some interesting stuff to
Speaker 1: say about this hatch. And as I mentioned, whenever Breudex
Speaker 1: pops up anywhere in the country, you see people pimping
Speaker 1: these incredibly elaborate patterns, beautifully carved and stacked foam. It's
Speaker 1: all like a POxy eat over and shiny, with mesh
Speaker 1: wings and big bug eyes and spun hair in the works.
Speaker 1: And George is basically like, yeah, but when it's on,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna lose a lot of bugs and break
Speaker 1: off big carp and stuff, So be practical. And they
Speaker 1: linked to a video that he put together where he
Speaker 1: recommends three patterns, one of which is just a chubby chernobyl,
Speaker 1: like no big deal, just practical chubby chernobyl, and then
Speaker 1: one is just essentially a larger version and of a
Speaker 1: very simple foam beetle, and the last one plays off
Speaker 1: that and he actually puts um some lead wraps on
Speaker 1: the shank because he says, often a cicada riding just
Speaker 1: under the surface gets a bit faster, especially in the
Speaker 1: peak of the hatch, when you have lots of people
Speaker 1: out there slapping down these big bugs. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was just a very practical approach, Like it's sort
Speaker 1: of like, I know, we try to get all artistic
Speaker 1: with these crazy cicada bugs. But you know, he makes
Speaker 1: a good point. You're hooking a lot of big fish
Speaker 1: tie simple bugs, and I'm excited about this too. However,
Speaker 1: I think the one aspect people don't consider is that,
Speaker 1: like with with many hatches, this is often like a
Speaker 1: drop everything and go deal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like the best case scenario is that you live a
Speaker 1: stone's throw from from good Carpi or Bassi water and
Speaker 1: can just haul ass to get there. Um because even
Speaker 1: in the story they know that it takes time because
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not really on until they're mating and dying,
Speaker 1: and it can be gonzo for weeks or days you
Speaker 1: just don't know. But um, like many hatches, it's just
Speaker 1: really hard and nail. Uh. They can't just be in
Speaker 1: the trees, like you'll hear him in the trees. You
Speaker 1: know that's a good sign, But they got to be
Speaker 1: in the water. So you gotta hit it just right.
Speaker 1: And I hope all of you that want that action
Speaker 1: get it. I'd love to. I'd love to say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make an effort, but with my schedule, like it'll
Speaker 1: be July in ten minutes and I'll never have gotten there,
Speaker 1: or I'll get the call that it's on right now
Speaker 1: this minute, um, which likely will not do me any good.
Speaker 1: But you know, a boy can dream, so good luck everybody.
Speaker 1: Brewd X in the Eastern p a reagion. This fits
Speaker 1: because we were just talking about this literally the last
Speaker 1: segment when we're talking about the heckx hatch YEP with
Speaker 1: with the awkward moments that we just did, and like
Speaker 1: I just said, I am skeptical of these super hyped hatches,
Speaker 1: and I think it fits into that. You know, like
Speaker 1: people are talking about it all out so it could
Speaker 1: be great, and if you happen to be there on
Speaker 1: the days, that's great. I'm sure it's a ton of fun.
Speaker 1: But the idea of chasing a hatch, to me, my
Speaker 1: my advice to everybody out there is don't do it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what people have in their heads.
Speaker 1: This is so hyped in the news and fishermen are
Speaker 1: talking about it and the tires are talking about it
Speaker 1: that it's like for a month straight every day, all
Speaker 1: the water is just gonna be blanketed with these things,
Speaker 1: and the fish are gonna be going absolutely ballistic. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the way it goes down, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think there's a couple of
Speaker 1: windows within the span of when they're going. And if
Speaker 1: you're there, you're there. And if you've got cicada flies,
Speaker 1: good for you. But you know, you probably need to
Speaker 1: have a lot of time to devote to get out
Speaker 1: there to do it. What I want to know, and
Speaker 1: here's what I hope you'll find out for me, is
Speaker 1: this the one and only time when the rebel crickhopper
Speaker 1: will actually catch a fish that was so well played,
Speaker 1: that was so well played and tried and tried. I
Speaker 1: want to believe I've done the diving model, I've done
Speaker 1: the popper model. It has just never been Now somebody
Speaker 1: ever like they are, they are drafting the piste off
Speaker 1: email right now. I'd be pissed off of me. I've
Speaker 1: never seen one catch a fish ever, somebody must catch
Speaker 1: something with him. They've been making him for forty years. Yes,
Speaker 1: I guess they do. I don't know, but but probably
Speaker 1: that would actually probably be a good you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't have time to tie cicada flies. I will
Speaker 1: throw one crip copper popper in my fly box and
Speaker 1: send it on a seven way if I just happened
Speaker 1: to be there. Guarantee, just please do because I would
Speaker 1: love to see that happen. I'm gonna move from from
Speaker 1: big bugs to big fish with this story. On April,
Speaker 1: Captain Justin Drummond and angler Troy Lancaster, along with a
Speaker 1: whole crew, broke the Texas state bluefin tuna record with
Speaker 1: a fish that was officially weighed at eight hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy six pounds. Well that's a big in the sixty
Speaker 1: ft qualified which the name of the boat left Port
Speaker 1: or Ansis with basically just going out on on an
Speaker 1: off shore trip. They had they had a window of
Speaker 1: good weather for a couple of days, so they wanted
Speaker 1: to go way off shore and and target. I mean really,
Speaker 1: it was a group of guys who've done this trip
Speaker 1: together a lot of years running, and they usually get
Speaker 1: into marlin, and they get into yellow fin, and there's
Speaker 1: a chance at bluefin. But it wasn't like they were
Speaker 1: out there like I'm going for a giant bluefin. That
Speaker 1: wasn't the goal. They were just going off shore because
Speaker 1: they had a weather window and they figured it'd be good.
Speaker 1: But the bluefin do show up in the Gulf every spring,
Speaker 1: they're there, and and so they these guys went out.
Speaker 1: They went on a on a big run. Uh, went
Speaker 1: all the way out to the open ocean rigs. The
Speaker 1: qualified ran I think a hundred and fifty miles. That
Speaker 1: makes sense, I was gonna say, because I know they're
Speaker 1: in the Gulf, but you hear about them more out
Speaker 1: of western Florida and Louisiana, Like you don't hear much
Speaker 1: about Texas boats running into him. So well, boys and
Speaker 1: then boys and went for they did. They did. They
Speaker 1: went a long ways up and I guess I guess
Speaker 1: they actually stopped somewhere along the line at a drop earlier,
Speaker 1: didn't get anything, kept going through the night, got out
Speaker 1: of a hundred fifty miles, set up, got going before dawn,
Speaker 1: and and it was kind of on like as soon
Speaker 1: as they started fishing, they caught some skip jack for bait,
Speaker 1: and like right off the bat just got into big bites. Uh.
Speaker 1: They had three big bites. Right off the bat. They
Speaker 1: broke off one blue marlin that they saw jump right
Speaker 1: behind the boat, that they estimated about five hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: And then just after nine am they had another blow
Speaker 1: up and they didn't see it, but this thing just
Speaker 1: dug and they knew it was something something big. Can
Speaker 1: I ask, are they trolling like trolling live skip Jack?
Speaker 1: Is that what they're doing? Okay? Okay? And that that
Speaker 1: turned out to be a massive tuna. Now, when it
Speaker 1: comes to fighting tuna, Hemingway. Hemingway once wrote about tuna
Speaker 1: fishing for the Toronto Star Weekly, and this is a quote.
Speaker 1: Hemingway said, it is a back sickening, sinew straining, man
Speaker 1: size job, even with a rod that looks like a
Speaker 1: hoe handle. But if you land a big tuna after
Speaker 1: a six hour fight, fight him man against fish until
Speaker 1: your muscles are nauseated with the unceasing strain, and finally
Speaker 1: bring him up alongside the boat Blue green and Silver
Speaker 1: in the lazy ocean. You will be purified and you
Speaker 1: will be able to enter unabashed into the presence of
Speaker 1: the very elder gods, and they will make you welcome
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't describe say what you will about hemmingway,
Speaker 1: my friend. But if that's not like a passage about
Speaker 1: fighting a big tuna, maybe the best one ever written.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I have caught a
Speaker 1: lot of blue fen and I've never felt quite that way.
Speaker 1: That was beautiful. I'm just like, I'm sorry, Give me
Speaker 1: a beer, Jason, get me a beer. And in the
Speaker 1: way of that, I don't. I'm not totally sure what
Speaker 1: level of enlightenment. Troy Lancaster, the the angler, achieved after
Speaker 1: fighting his record fish, but his fight did not go
Speaker 1: on for six hours. It went on for nine hours,
Speaker 1: and just after six pm the crew had the fish
Speaker 1: landed and began the long run back to port A,
Speaker 1: where the way Master was waiting when they arrived well
Speaker 1: after midnight. Now, breaking the Texas bluefin record seems to
Speaker 1: be a trend, because last April, a crew out of
Speaker 1: Galveston landed an eight pounder, which would have beaten the
Speaker 1: pound record set hadn't been weighed on a certified scale. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there's some some issues with that one last year and
Speaker 1: it was thrown out. This most recent catch, however, will
Speaker 1: stand beating the previous mark by nearly seventy pounds, and
Speaker 1: that's it's a remarkable fish, it's a it's a great fish.
Speaker 1: But breaking the state record two years running strikes me
Speaker 1: as even more newsworthy than the fish itself, because it
Speaker 1: it hints at a broader story around this fishery in
Speaker 1: these fish. Atlantic bluefin have been the poster child for
Speaker 1: over fishing for like my whole life. Right, they're massive, right,
Speaker 1: So they're they're they're they're huge size. And the dramatic
Speaker 1: population decline that we witnessed, combined with the astronomical and
Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous price that prime bluefin can fetch at auction,
Speaker 1: has made them this this obvious focal point, this sort
Speaker 1: of media frenzy in discussions about over fishing. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: sort of what they've become. If you're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: over fishing, you think of Atlantic bluefin. And there's a
Speaker 1: reason for that. In the seventies and the eighties, atlantic
Speaker 1: bluefin stocks dropped by an estimated and so in the nineties,
Speaker 1: two organizations with just ridiculously long names, the North American
Speaker 1: Oceanic and Atmospheric Association and the International Commission for the
Speaker 1: Conservation of Atlantic Tunas teamed up to oversee one of
Speaker 1: the most comp hends of fisheries management strategies on the planet.
Speaker 1: It included a variety of standard tools like seasonal closures
Speaker 1: and strict retention limits, but it also came up with
Speaker 1: some unique strategies, like the individual bluefin tuna Quota program,
Speaker 1: which created economic incentives for commercial fishermen to minimize bluefin bycatch.
Speaker 1: NOAH also enacted longline gear restrictions in the Gulf of Mexico,
Speaker 1: the curtailed bluefin by catch by sev Now all that
Speaker 1: effort actually paid off. Bluefin stocks increased every year from
Speaker 1: two thousand four to two thousand and seventeen. That year,
Speaker 1: it CAT released a report recommending an increase in Western
Speaker 1: Atlantic bluefin harvest quotas. In two thousand nineteen, the total
Speaker 1: bluefin biomass for this population had increased by six percent
Speaker 1: from its lowest point, and no released a statement declaring
Speaker 1: that US caught Atlantic bluefin tuna was now a sustainable
Speaker 1: food choice. Unfortunately, in the wake of the increased quotas
Speaker 1: and relaxed regulations over the past three years, those stock
Speaker 1: numbers look like they might be starting to dip again.
Speaker 1: One study estimates that Atlantic bluefin stocks have fallen by
Speaker 1: nearly thirty since two thousand seventeen. All this is to
Speaker 1: say that bluefin aren't like the third rail totally unsustainable
Speaker 1: fishery that they once were. There actually a positive recovery
Speaker 1: story despite what most people know, but like it's still
Speaker 1: tenuous and their futures is uncertain. Western Atlantic bluefin migrate
Speaker 1: from the Gulf of Mexico all the way up past you,
Speaker 1: up the eastern seaboard to Canada. So the big fish
Speaker 1: that are kind of famous around Newfoundland are the exact
Speaker 1: same ones caught off the coast of Texas. Ye bluefin
Speaker 1: spawn in the Gulf and then head north to challenge
Speaker 1: harring and mackerel and all the other food fish you
Speaker 1: guys have out there. The fact that the Texas record
Speaker 1: has been broken two years in rows rights me as
Speaker 1: a testament to the success of decades of recovery efforts.
Speaker 1: Regardless of where we are right now, these big spawning
Speaker 1: size fish take decades to grow, so the one that
Speaker 1: Lancaster caught was allowed to reach that size in large
Speaker 1: part due to intense and impressive bluefin management. The recreational
Speaker 1: harvest quota in the Gulf is is just a few
Speaker 1: thousand pounds every year, So once four or five big
Speaker 1: fish get caught, the whole season just shuts down from
Speaker 1: Florida all the way to Texas. Yep, yep. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like a rolling target. Yeah, yep. According to an
Speaker 1: interview that Troy Lancaster did the Angler did with with
Speaker 1: our own buddy Sam Longren, Lancaster didn't have a choice
Speaker 1: about whether or not he should harvest that particular fish.
Speaker 1: During the fight, it got tail wrapped right, like the
Speaker 1: tail wrapped up in the line, and tuna can't breathe
Speaker 1: unless they're swimming forward, so once it got tangled, it's suffocated.
Speaker 1: And unlike other some other kinds of fish anyway, tuna
Speaker 1: aren't buoyant. So for the last two hours of that fight,
Speaker 1: Lancaster was just lifting dead weight from a thousand feet down, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard the story on this. They would they would
Speaker 1: have to. They had the drag on that real maxed
Speaker 1: out at fifty pounds, and they'd run the boat forward
Speaker 1: to lift the fish up a little and then back
Speaker 1: down on it as fast as they could and like
Speaker 1: cranking a little bit of line and then run forward
Speaker 1: and then back down. It sounds just brutal awful, just
Speaker 1: almost worse than fighting it the right way, right way forward,
Speaker 1: way worse. And then nine hours, like seven hour normal fight,
Speaker 1: two hours of lifting dead weight, they finally get it
Speaker 1: to the transom. It took another hour and a half
Speaker 1: to actually drag the thing on board. Uh quote from
Speaker 1: Lancaster here, we had seven guys on board, and one
Speaker 1: of them wasn't worth a ship and that was me
Speaker 1: because the dude had just been fighting this fish for
Speaker 1: nine hour. I appreciate that. I'm always really fascinated by
Speaker 1: big bluefin caught in the golf. It's one of those
Speaker 1: things that like that fish is so uh you know,
Speaker 1: so synonymous with the Northeast that you forget that that
Speaker 1: is where they end up, and they have the southern
Speaker 1: guys have a chance at these giant blue veins. They
Speaker 1: also have gigantic mako sharks in the Gulf, and mako
Speaker 1: is such like a Northeast fishery too, but those dudes
Speaker 1: down there have them way bigger. So it's I always
Speaker 1: think this is this is incredibly cool. But there are
Speaker 1: actually other fisheries along that route, like one of the
Speaker 1: real famous ones that I think actually also goes back
Speaker 1: to Hemingway days. They used to have a huge tournament
Speaker 1: in Biminy when those fish were passing through and like
Speaker 1: the game was you wanted it to be like shit,
Speaker 1: nasty rough and they would like spot them coming through
Speaker 1: the crests of the swells and like feed them a
Speaker 1: bally who in the waves. And that went on for
Speaker 1: decades and that that doesn't I don't think that really
Speaker 1: happens anymore, or you can't target them because they're not
Speaker 1: in season now when it's happening. Um. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean bluefin was a great success and now they
Speaker 1: could be in trouble again. There's also um, I believe
Speaker 1: they found out that there was mixing of the Eastern
Speaker 1: and Western Atlantic stocks. So for years they thought, well,
Speaker 1: let the let the Italians or whoever take as many
Speaker 1: as they want. It's not effecting our fish. Actually that
Speaker 1: was wrong. There's proof that there's some some mixing of
Speaker 1: the species. You know they're over there with the gabba
Speaker 1: ghoul and the tunas um. But it's tough, man. I
Speaker 1: love bluefin fishing and I don't believe it's it's been
Speaker 1: changed or altered again. But for for this year. Right now,
Speaker 1: it's like it's one fish per boat in Jersey, and
Speaker 1: I think it has to be at least twenty eight
Speaker 1: in forty four seven. I don't quote me on that,
Speaker 1: but it's irrelevant because they've been pretty abundant the last
Speaker 1: few seasons, the smaller size fish, the popping size fish.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you think about it from a chartering perspective.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got a two thousand dollar tuna charter,
Speaker 1: you're breaking up with your boys. Not a whole lot
Speaker 1: of incentive to throw that kind of money out to
Speaker 1: go out and bring one. Like what what do you do?
Speaker 1: Then when you catch the twenty eight inchurer on the
Speaker 1: first pass, it's like, we're not a bigger one? Or
Speaker 1: do you keep that one? So I want to see
Speaker 1: those fish thrive because I love chasing them. But I
Speaker 1: gotta be honest man, like I am. You know me,
Speaker 1: I'm not a meat fisherman, but I'm a glutton for tuna.
Speaker 1: Like when I make the effort to go tuna fishing,
Speaker 1: I want all the tuna. I want my three yellow fin.
Speaker 1: I want them all because I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get there again. So it's it's tough, man. And
Speaker 1: when you when you do catch and release tuna, they
Speaker 1: fight themselves to death, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: do they exhaust themselves? So um, you gotta put some
Speaker 1: faith in science. You want these fish to be around.
Speaker 1: But from a recreational perspective, those legs right now, it
Speaker 1: makes you kind of question burning that kind of fuel
Speaker 1: to go out there and catch one. You know, they're
Speaker 1: pretty and I understand the questioning. But if you look
Speaker 1: at the numbers the recreational fishery, I think I read
Speaker 1: as worth something like I don't have the numbers in
Speaker 1: front me many millions of dollars what I'm going to
Speaker 1: say because I read this earlier and I've read too
Speaker 1: many things. But the despite the fact that what you
Speaker 1: say that you don't know if you're it's worth it
Speaker 1: or not, a lot of people think it is enough
Speaker 1: that they're willing to spend the money even with the
Speaker 1: what someone called draconian regulations on fish. And then these
Speaker 1: last Oh yeah, dude. I I say that because I'm
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have enough people where it's a gas
Speaker 1: money trip. But I mean, you think about the guys
Speaker 1: who you know. For a lot of people they don't
Speaker 1: have that access. They're booking their big trip every year. Um, dude,
Speaker 1: I've been there, not because of the rags, just because
Speaker 1: it was a slow day and you got five dudes
Speaker 1: on board and you got one thirty five inch blue fan.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'll take the tail. I guess you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like there's there's not good divvying. The
Speaker 1: divvying is very depressing, you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: very depressing divvying. So five guys fighting over the belly,
Speaker 1: so a lot of a lot of that bluefin, the
Speaker 1: big ones. I don't really know where it goes. I
Speaker 1: guess there's fancy enough sushi places that buy some of
Speaker 1: it in the States. I don't have enough money to
Speaker 1: eat at them, but you might find one at a casino,
Speaker 1: which is going to lead into my next story. Okay,
Speaker 1: so not superfishient related per se. But I found this
Speaker 1: interesting nonetheless, And the main message of this story is
Speaker 1: that everything is smart now and just keeps getting smarter.
Speaker 1: And we're talking about things, um that in many cases
Speaker 1: probably didn't even really need to be smart, Like, as
Speaker 1: an example, they are smart fishing rods now that connect
Speaker 1: to your phone, and tell you the weather and how
Speaker 1: many times you've casted and so on, and many of
Speaker 1: you guys probably have smart smokers and crop pots and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Um. And this is posing
Speaker 1: a growing problem in the world of cybersecurity because it
Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago that all this sector really had
Speaker 1: to focus on where I t assets like servers and workstations. Now,
Speaker 1: of course we have to worry about cybersecurity on our
Speaker 1: phones and laptops. But the reality is if it connects
Speaker 1: to the Internet, even if it's just your smart bobber
Speaker 1: or your smart gaff or whatever, it can potentially be
Speaker 1: hacked into and used to get into your larger system,
Speaker 1: like you're your larger files. Um. And this is exactly
Speaker 1: what happened at a North American casino not long ago. Now,
Speaker 1: the article on the website entrepreneur dot com that I
Speaker 1: found does not name the casino, but this casino featured
Speaker 1: huge fish tanks on the casino floor. And of course
Speaker 1: nobody wants to, you know, sit there and yank on
Speaker 1: a slot machine and look at dead fish, because that's
Speaker 1: a buzz kill. Uh. So every aspect of these tanks
Speaker 1: are were made smart so they could be monitored by
Speaker 1: the casino's network from behind the scenes, and hackers ended
Speaker 1: up getting ahold of the casino's database of high rollers
Speaker 1: by breaking into the system through the fish tanks thermometers.
Speaker 1: What yes, right, So the weak in the system that
Speaker 1: they could hack into and then and then and then
Speaker 1: get what they needed. They hacked into the smart thermometers
Speaker 1: in the casino's gigantic fish tanks. And every and whenever
Speaker 1: I hear anything about someone trying to get get one
Speaker 1: over on a casino for whatever reason, what comes to
Speaker 1: mind is funny farm. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Chevy Chase is terror. I don't remember the senior You
Speaker 1: don't remember the scene where his he makes the wife
Speaker 1: read the novel and then he ends up burning it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: four poker buddies knocking over a casino the perfect crime anyway.
Speaker 1: From the story per Nicole Egan, who is um from
Speaker 1: the security firm Dark Trace, the attackers used a fish
Speaker 1: tank thermometer to get a foothold in the network. They
Speaker 1: then found the high roller database and then pull that
Speaker 1: information out of the main frame back into the thermostat
Speaker 1: in the tank, and then from the thermostat uploaded it
Speaker 1: to their cloud. So I did a little background digging
Speaker 1: and the breach Actually this is a new article, but
Speaker 1: the breach happened last summer and the hackers were able
Speaker 1: to pull ten gigs of data through the fish tank
Speaker 1: thermostat to a device in Finland. One of the reports
Speaker 1: that came out around the time of the breach said
Speaker 1: some pretty scary shit. Uh. One area that is super
Speaker 1: smart these days as kids toys and the FBI is
Speaker 1: actually warren parents that like a smart Teddy Bear that
Speaker 1: reads stories, or like your Fisher priced tablet connected to
Speaker 1: your WiFi, could potentially be used to help hackers like
Speaker 1: learn the names and locations of your kids. So everything
Speaker 1: becoming smart has drawbacks. It's awful, but but it's also
Speaker 1: important to note that like the cybersecurity sector is working
Speaker 1: very hard to keep up with that, so like this
Speaker 1: fish tank incident helps them stop that like from ever
Speaker 1: happening again. So that industry is adapting as things are
Speaker 1: being made smarter and smarter. Um. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: know there are hundreds of you listening that have that
Speaker 1: smart rod, so bear in mind, like those could be
Speaker 1: hacked and someone could learn that the last ptures you
Speaker 1: put on Instagram. We're all taken at the same spillway,
Speaker 1: and you will be outed, so keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: But that's how they got in the fish tank. How
Speaker 1: am I supposed to transition out of that into anything?
Speaker 1: When you screwing transition still counts the transitions he does.
Speaker 1: I think this is just a ployer, like I don't
Speaker 1: have a good story, but I'm gonna screw him over
Speaker 1: so you get you know what, I don't have a
Speaker 1: good story either, So I'm gonna move from your stupid
Speaker 1: story that has nothing to do about fit with fishing
Speaker 1: my stupid story that has slightly more to do with fishing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, look, I know this is this is a
Speaker 1: cheesy story and and kind of dumb. But after reading
Speaker 1: about it and then I fell into this video watching
Speaker 1: hole after I found the story, and I couldn't stop.
Speaker 1: It was mesmerizing. Uh. And I'm sure any listeners we
Speaker 1: have in the Madison, Wisconsin area are well aware of
Speaker 1: what I'm about talk about because it's it's clearly clearly
Speaker 1: the local news is all over it. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's much else to talk about in Madison right now,
Speaker 1: at least nothing positive, so they're all covering the same thing.
Speaker 1: But but if if you are in that area and
Speaker 1: you haven't already heard about it, you should know because
Speaker 1: you might still have time to check out some flying
Speaker 1: muskies if you hurry. Every spring, muskies migrate out of
Speaker 1: Lake Monona in downtown Madison and up the Winger Creek
Speaker 1: where they run into a a three foot tall dam
Speaker 1: and they're the big socks all congregate mill around in
Speaker 1: the pool below the dam. And then just like sock salmon,
Speaker 1: they throw themselves into the air and leap over the
Speaker 1: concrete impediment to reach the warm water of Lake Wingra.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's just like all those salmon videos
Speaker 1: you've seen, except with musky doesn't say Wisconsin. You don't
Speaker 1: have postcards with this on them, Like this seems like
Speaker 1: the kind of thing, like what are you doing? Capitalize
Speaker 1: the idea. Muskies are not quite as acrobatic aerially when
Speaker 1: when not hooked as the salmon. They're not quite as
Speaker 1: as smooth about it, a little awkward award. There's there's
Speaker 1: some awkward, some awkward failures, which makes it even more
Speaker 1: endearing to me. But but they do they do make
Speaker 1: it over sometimes, but a lot of times they don't,
Speaker 1: And clearly this is something that people know about and
Speaker 1: they're into. I'd never heard of it. You hadn't heard
Speaker 1: of it. It must be a local thing, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't completely tell, but it seems like there's a viewing
Speaker 1: platform where people really yeah, dude, And there's no T shirts.
Speaker 1: It wasn't reported, no T shirts reported, But I think
Speaker 1: I think there's a gold mine opportunity for anybody again
Speaker 1: in that area. Get out there and stuff somebody shirt
Speaker 1: if you If there's stickers or something at this, I'll trade.
Speaker 1: We'll trade you bent stickers for like a pack of
Speaker 1: like I've whatever they are. I watched the jumping Muskies
Speaker 1: of Madison. I'm so glad you feel the same way
Speaker 1: about this as I, because all I do is this
Speaker 1: is like a perfect springtime activity. If you're not actually
Speaker 1: gonna go fishing, right, load up the whole family, Like,
Speaker 1: let's go watch some flying muskie kids. And the kids
Speaker 1: are gonna be annoyed, but if you get them a
Speaker 1: hot dog and a T shirt, they're probably into it.
Speaker 1: So I loved everything about this, And again I spent
Speaker 1: more time than I should have when I was working
Speaker 1: watching flying muskie videos and then I read further into
Speaker 1: the story, and what had felt like a heartwarming family
Speaker 1: funtail it started to go a little south. I f
Speaker 1: and be honest, because it turns out like all those
Speaker 1: muskie are are going over that damn so they can
Speaker 1: get to the warmer lake upstream to spawn. It turns
Speaker 1: out that the contaminants in lake wing rep prevent muskie
Speaker 1: eggs from actually hatching, and and the DNR has no
Speaker 1: recorded evidence of natural fish recruitment in that system. So
Speaker 1: they jumped the damn and then can't nothing happens when
Speaker 1: they get there, They can't reproduce. They do all like
Speaker 1: they go through all that work, they swim up the creek,
Speaker 1: they hit the damn, they fly over it, and it's
Speaker 1: utterly futile. How many years has this been going on?
Speaker 1: Like wouldn't they like wouldn't the fish in the system
Speaker 1: like have their genetics sorted out by now to know that,
Speaker 1: like that's not gonna work out. Well, I mean, hatchery fish,
Speaker 1: there's no natural recruit in the system. They're all they're
Speaker 1: all hatchery fish, got you, okay? Well that yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: That makes the t shirts a little sadder, But I
Speaker 1: would still i'd still I still enjoy having one. Well, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you got this one. I won't.
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but giant tuna jumping with
Speaker 1: the beats, uh, the cicada's and casino ice. So you
Speaker 1: hear that, Philly just rolling over and give it to me,
Speaker 1: I'll take Yeah, it's okay, it's okay. Phil surprises is
Speaker 1: sometimes though, So we're gonna hear from Phil and then
Speaker 1: are gonna move on a covering water h with a gentleman.
Speaker 1: A lot of you probably are aware of former dude
Speaker 1: behind Barstool Outdoors, Ben Friedman, but he's better known by
Speaker 1: another name. All those stupid stories that have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with fishing usually appeal to me. You guys called
Speaker 1: it already, Miles, you're the winner this week, Joe. I
Speaker 1: do think, however, that your fish thermostatic casino heist story
Speaker 1: could be the next exciting addition to the Ocean's movie franchise.
Speaker 1: I mean, the water punt is already there, so the
Speaker 1: movie practically rights itself, and you're gonna need a crew
Speaker 1: as nuts as you are. Who do you gonna mind?
Speaker 1: I'm Joe A Miles Nulty. This is real horse coming
Speaker 1: to you. This is Stripe, a chunk and expert, Bob
Speaker 1: the garbage man Briton and not a now scheme. What's up,
Speaker 1: pass wives, it's me your boy lance V. You proved
Speaker 1: your point. You broke into my vault. Congratulate shows you're
Speaker 1: a dead man. I'm going in. I can hold it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm alright, alright, So joining us today for covering water,
Speaker 1: we have got Mr Ben Freedman. However, most people are
Speaker 1: going to know you by a different name, which would
Speaker 1: be tell us what they'd know you by. I guess, uh,
Speaker 1: Young page Views, I don't know. It's the last time
Speaker 1: I was Little Mediator podcast. It's kind of the same
Speaker 1: situation where Steve was looking at me like, what the
Speaker 1: hell is so hYP I guess I don't know why. Yes,
Speaker 1: so young page use y p and you would have
Speaker 1: guy you you like, kicked off and grew bar stool outdoors.
Speaker 1: That was your gig, right, Yes, yeah, from from this brain.
Speaker 1: One of the only things is brain has ever really
Speaker 1: developed up in here other than thinking about fish. I
Speaker 1: guess it's still related to fish. But yeah, we've we've
Speaker 1: seen some evidence there. There's some other things that came
Speaker 1: out of that brain. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that too,
Speaker 1: so people know you as young page views and I
Speaker 1: just have to add it famously, when you interviewed for barstool,
Speaker 1: what did you bring to the office A wallaby or
Speaker 1: something like that, A live animal? Yes, there was. It
Speaker 1: was an albino wallaby named Winston I believe his name was.
Speaker 1: And honestly, our paths have never crossed since, and I
Speaker 1: sometimes I didn't wonder what Winston is doing out there,
Speaker 1: probably hopping around a pasture. Hold On, hold on, where
Speaker 1: did you get a line on an albino wallaby? Like?
Speaker 1: How did that come about? Honestly, I think I got
Speaker 1: it luckier than I realized, because I have since looked.
Speaker 1: I have looked for them for other reasons that or not.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to procure wallaby again, and it was way
Speaker 1: harder the second time. So I guess I got one
Speaker 1: the first time. But it was I think I found
Speaker 1: it online. It was some lady had like a fall wallaby. No,
Speaker 1: it was in it. It was like in New York.
Speaker 1: I think I was looking up exotic animal things because
Speaker 1: I was looking for a tiger and the tiger was
Speaker 1: too much money, so I was like, had to go
Speaker 1: to plan B. Don't you hate that when the tiger
Speaker 1: is too much money? Like you have your heart set
Speaker 1: on a tiger. I was so sad because in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what a great idea. I'll just get a
Speaker 1: tiger and then I'll walk in And then it turns
Speaker 1: out you have to get permits to bring a freaking
Speaker 1: Bengal Tiger. City were sticklers about that, but any But
Speaker 1: here's why I asked though. I brought it up because
Speaker 1: did you know that there is a wallaby on Instagram
Speaker 1: called Young Pouch Views which appears to be named him
Speaker 1: in St. Louis. That's another wall be that I went
Speaker 1: to visit when it was a baby and they were
Speaker 1: naming it and then it was called young Pouch Jews.
Speaker 1: But then I honestly have been kind of a dead
Speaker 1: beat dad. I got to go back and check on
Speaker 1: the wall I have. Admittedly, I'm gonna say right now,
Speaker 1: hand up, I've not gone back, and it feels horrible
Speaker 1: to say out love, I have not gone back and
Speaker 1: played with it since that first in some states. In
Speaker 1: some states you can't get a fishing license if you
Speaker 1: don't pay your wallaby support so you gotta watch that, man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, man, so you you put out content for
Speaker 1: a lot of years, um for bar stool, and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of your your fishing content. I noticed
Speaker 1: it was like sort of like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a jackass element to what you did too. Like you
Speaker 1: did a lot of videos of you, like in precarious
Speaker 1: situations or doing painful things. Right, A lot of it
Speaker 1: looked uncomfortable. Yes, sometimes I just stand there and get
Speaker 1: bit by like three pythons, and like, honestly it was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of fun because once I started getting
Speaker 1: bit by more and more stuff, I realized, I'm like
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is overhyped, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like a python, I've gotten hooks in my
Speaker 1: finger fifty million times more painful than getting bit by
Speaker 1: python thirty times in a row. And I kind of
Speaker 1: it was fun to almost like dispel that weird fear
Speaker 1: that people have. That makes sense, I don't know, that's
Speaker 1: like the most um trying to make it more than
Speaker 1: a eulogy of getting bit by I guess goes for
Speaker 1: a bigger reason. Okay, So I asked you about all
Speaker 1: these these videos where you're in uncomfortable situations because there
Speaker 1: may be a question or two tied to them in
Speaker 1: covering water and to explain how that works. Here's what
Speaker 1: we do. So I'm gonna put two minutes on the
Speaker 1: clock on my cell phone and we are just going
Speaker 1: to pepper you with questions. And this is different from
Speaker 1: your rapid fire. So instead of doing like a a
Speaker 1: like a formal, like well thought out interview, you have
Speaker 1: just seconds to answer each one because the clock is ticking. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't think. We've never had we can't think too much,
Speaker 1: and we've never had anybody pass. I mean, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a rule, but like you know,
Speaker 1: you know. But then what we'll do is at the
Speaker 1: end of your two minutes, we'll give you a full
Speaker 1: minute to expand on any one of your answers. So
Speaker 1: like we always say, whichever one you think is the
Speaker 1: most damning, like which is the one that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: should I should not have said that, We'll give you
Speaker 1: a whole minute to undo what you've done. You get
Speaker 1: to save. It's it's a it's a career saver after
Speaker 1: you like a little bits. That's basically what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do usually less thinking? Is it for me? So right?
Speaker 1: Afore you can beat to my advantage? All right, So Miles,
Speaker 1: are your questions ready? All right? Here we go, Ben,
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? As ready as I could be?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I may not be, but this is
Speaker 1: hopefully I'm ready. Okay, Myles, I'll lead, I'll start, okay,
Speaker 1: and two minutes are on the clock. Starting now. Your
Speaker 1: childhood fishing idol was, say Mike Ignelli and my grandpa.
Speaker 1: I gotta throw him in there as well. Oh I
Speaker 1: like that. I like that. Have you ever had long hair? Um? Never?
Speaker 1: Never longer? Like maybe to the top of my ears?
Speaker 1: But that's it. If you could fish with any celebrity,
Speaker 1: living or dead, who would it be? Honestly, Drake, this
Speaker 1: is a weird one. I'll explain it in my minute
Speaker 1: after the recording artist. Okay, okay. What's the most underrated
Speaker 1: fishing state? Oh, I'm gonna say Missouri hometown. Don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't get enough credit. I think it's
Speaker 1: very fun. What's the most expensive pair of sneakers? You
Speaker 1: wont did? I have to buy him? My mom one
Speaker 1: time helped me get these nikes for my birthday, and
Speaker 1: they were called like the pocket knife DM or something.
Speaker 1: They were like two nine dollars and they're they're they're
Speaker 1: like camo colored with orange bottoms. Pretty cool, gangster rep
Speaker 1: or outlawed country. Probably gangs arrived to be honest, nice nice?
Speaker 1: Which is the most funny target? Snakeheads, peacock bass, or
Speaker 1: clown knife fish. Honestly, I'm in love with clown knife
Speaker 1: fish right now. That's subject to change. But my answers
Speaker 1: clown knife fish, maps, vibrats, panther martin or rooster tail
Speaker 1: rooster's tail. What's worse getting stung by a man o
Speaker 1: wore jellyfish or bitten by a python jelly? The man
Speaker 1: war is definitely worse because it lasts longer. It lasts
Speaker 1: for like hours. Sketchiest spot you've ever gone fishing? A
Speaker 1: few days ago down here in South Florida, the guy
Speaker 1: with a machette was walking by me in one of
Speaker 1: these canals. I think any of the canals in South
Speaker 1: Florida are the scariest place I've ever got. What's the
Speaker 1: worst place you've ever been hooked? Oh? I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of two places. Either down near
Speaker 1: the gonads in the leg that we could have been bad.
Speaker 1: Or I'd say, like up here in the upper upper
Speaker 1: face region where it's luckily fingers crossed. Neither one has
Speaker 1: been a direct hit yet, but I'd say one of
Speaker 1: those two. All right, finished the sentence. Most fishermen are
Speaker 1: just drinking. Okay, we got time for one more? Each year?
Speaker 1: What was the last CD you purchased, not album you downloaded,
Speaker 1: c D you purchased. Probably Jimmy Buffett greatest hits. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was like an all incoming doubles at the register
Speaker 1: at the costco. All right, man, got time for one more? Oh?
Speaker 1: I get one more? Yeah? Okay. Would you rather be
Speaker 1: a rapper or a tournament bass angler? Oh? Am I
Speaker 1: going to be a champion of either one. Yes, I
Speaker 1: feel like probably tournament bass angler, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: There might be more money in the music industry. So
Speaker 1: definitely we are we are out and listen, we didn't
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about it up front, but there's there's
Speaker 1: there were several rap questions in here because for people
Speaker 1: who don't know, right before you were in the outdoor industry,
Speaker 1: right you were, you were making a play to be
Speaker 1: a rapper, like we've listened to your song. Actually catch sure, sure, absolutely, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta scrub those off the internet. My don't do that.
Speaker 1: But like so the rap dream kind of not We're
Speaker 1: not you're not dreaming it anymore. Ever, you never know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There? Who knows? But I
Speaker 1: mean it's certainly lost some theme in the past aple years.
Speaker 1: Can you freestyle right now? No, I'm out a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are good at rapping, maybe good at freestyle.
Speaker 1: I would be the guy that it would take like
Speaker 1: a week to write a song and then I'd have
Speaker 1: to record it like fifty thousand times in the studio
Speaker 1: to be able to make it like no, man, But
Speaker 1: because we're so into music, we couldn't not bring up
Speaker 1: the wrap the rap career. So anyway, but anyway, I
Speaker 1: am gonna put one minute on the clock and and
Speaker 1: feel free to expand on any one of your answers
Speaker 1: that you feel feel you'd like everybody to know more about.
Speaker 1: Time starts now. Um, I would say the one that
Speaker 1: has really just been in my mind for a while,
Speaker 1: and it says one celebrity like living or dead. There
Speaker 1: was a time I figot like last year, a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, I was sitting there and I just said, wondered,
Speaker 1: if you know, there's the rapper named Drake is probably
Speaker 1: the biggest dude in the entire industry right now as
Speaker 1: far as pop music anything. He's he's a star. But
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't find any evidence of him fishing ever.
Speaker 1: For some reason, it maybe something with my weird personality,
Speaker 1: whatever is in my brain that caused me to be
Speaker 1: so screw it up. I became obsessed with trying to
Speaker 1: figure out if he's ever just gone fishing one time.
Speaker 1: And this guy, you gotta think of super famous celebrity,
Speaker 1: their life's been documented for a decade and sometime now
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of him ever going fishing one time.
Speaker 1: Not a picture, not an account, not anything. I'm starting
Speaker 1: to think this grown man who's worth, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of hundred million dollars, has never caught a fish.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, it's like one of my missions
Speaker 1: in life to just I want to be the dude
Speaker 1: that takes him to go fishing, because I feel like
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that joy in his life, money and
Speaker 1: women and success. He's never caught a fish. No, if
Speaker 1: I'm not dissing him. I just it seems like something
Speaker 1: every human should have as part of their experience on Earth,
Speaker 1: and I just don't think he's done. So I don't
Speaker 1: know why I want to take him fishing. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure Drake's listening to the show, so I'm I'm positive
Speaker 1: is gonna happen for you? Now? Are you gonna slip
Speaker 1: him the demo tape? Like? Just maybe? Because because you
Speaker 1: never know? You know what, I didn't even think of
Speaker 1: that part of this could be my roundabout the way
Speaker 1: I think the dream could still be alive. I need
Speaker 1: to somehow get him to go fish with me, and
Speaker 1: then maybe even just hav enough fund that he comes back,
Speaker 1: and then I'll be like, hey, I'll pick you up
Speaker 1: and I'll just be playing it in the car. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think I think there's a lesson in there. Is there?
Speaker 1: I think tell do tell here. Here's what I distilled
Speaker 1: from that. Albino Wallaby's ruined rap careers every time. If
Speaker 1: you ever find yourself walking to a Manhattan offics cradling
Speaker 1: an Albino Wallaby, your future is a rap artist is over.
Speaker 1: And I dare you to prove me wrong with evidence
Speaker 1: on that one isn't that what what made DMX go
Speaker 1: out something with an albino wallaby? I don't know, You're
Speaker 1: probably right here. Look, I I appreciate a lot of rap.
Speaker 1: I'm not like a huge rap fan, but say what
Speaker 1: you want about YP songs. There were a couple of
Speaker 1: hooks that's stuck with me. Like there were a couple
Speaker 1: like I found myself just like muttering them in the car.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, man, that like it's a good hook.
Speaker 1: I also feel like we're doing our audience and him
Speaker 1: a disservice if we don't at least give you a
Speaker 1: little taste, just like a little bit right. So here's
Speaker 1: here's why peace putting a little hot fire. I'm really
Speaker 1: young page views. They can make this content till this
Speaker 1: one at night. Just might take your lunch and need it,
Speaker 1: and we'll bite cameras, cameras, cameras, cameras, give me all
Speaker 1: the footage. Micaba called you smash your woman and now
Speaker 1: that you know what's been playing in Joe's head on
Speaker 1: that concludes our cosmotology masterclass for this week. But as
Speaker 1: you're sweeping up, note the ragged clumps of wisdom we
Speaker 1: left behind. Long haired peanut Butter sandwich smugglers should not
Speaker 1: travel internationally with rod tubes. Fish flies like to get
Speaker 1: freaky and zz top beards, and snake things hurt less
Speaker 1: than fish hooks embedded in fingers, at least according to
Speaker 1: that one source that is correct. Hey, also, please keep
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