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Speaker 1: degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that has

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Speaker 1: Nulty and uh dude, I think we can aim higher

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Speaker 1: Got the number thirteen tattude on my neck. Ah see. Now,

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Speaker 1: at the meat Eater dot com. I've never actually experienced

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Speaker 1: one trout in four nights of doing it. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing with like the cape cod canal

426
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: come up here and crushing. But I know a lot

427
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: of people who make that drive and catch two. So

428
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to um, but I don't know. Maybe it

429
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: maybe it is overrated. I'll tell you what's not overrated, though,

430
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: fish news. Fish news. That escalated quickly. Alright, So no

431
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: particular direct shout outs for me this week, although I

432
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: do hope you guys enjoyed the second installment of b

433
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Speaker 1: side Fishing this week, Little pickerel fishing in the Rockets

434
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: South it's not yeah down in the South Jersey pine barrens,

435
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: which I think the bigger message of that one was

436
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: proving um, as I said in the video, a matter

437
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: of fact, there is not an olive garden or pizzeria

438
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Speaker 1: uno on every piece of open land in the state

439
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: of New Jersey. I thought the takeaway was was don't

440
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: don't show your friend your spots because they're gonna they're

441
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: gonna out fish you. I missed the point. I did

442
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: get crushed, but look, I'm about keeping it real and

443
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: I just I did not fake it. I got I

444
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: got my ass handed to me on the fish front.

445
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: But I hope you guys enjoyed that. Well. Now we

446
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: we actually we made some we pickled pickroll in that episode,

447
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: which I gotta tell you it was delicious. That was

448
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: new to me and I thought it was terrific, which

449
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: is sort of a play on episode one um where

450
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Speaker 1: we made cevich a and just browsing through through comments

451
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: on the first episode, most of which were great and

452
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Speaker 1: very positive. There was one dude, though, who just hammered

453
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Speaker 1: me from my cevich a and was like, don't you

454
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Speaker 1: even dare come at me with fruit, watermelon and cevich

455
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Speaker 1: a And he's talking about beef bullion cubes or some

456
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: weird ship. So I'll look it up. I'll try it

457
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: your way. You didn't have to be so rude about it.

458
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Speaker 1: But apparently I don't know cevich a. Look, I've never

459
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Speaker 1: I've had for my bea before, but I've never had watermelons.

460
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: So but I'm not saying it won't work. I don't

461
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: know you're putting you're putting citrus juice. In there. You

462
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: can't tell me there's no fruit in cevich a when

463
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: like one of the main ingredients is citrus juice. So

464
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And there was also a dude to who commented,

465
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Speaker 1: He was like, can anyone confirm that watermelon is good

466
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 1: in Cevicha? And I got in there and I was like, well,

467
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: I can confirm it, but I guess I don't really count,

468
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: so do I can? Trust me? Trust me? Keep watching

469
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Speaker 1: the B sides, Keep watching the B sides. They all

470
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Speaker 1: they're all that good. I'm telling you. Um. And for

471
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Speaker 1: those of you who have not done so already, go

472
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Speaker 1: sign up for the new fishing newsletter that we got

473
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Speaker 1: Joe's Joe's put together. Joe's actually like putting a lot

474
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Speaker 1: of time and effort into this, guys. He's writing a

475
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Speaker 1: writing a personal letter every single weekend and and it's

476
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Speaker 1: good stuff. So check that out. Go to the mediator

477
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Speaker 1: dot com back slash fish and sign up for that.

478
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: And then it just then you just get a letter

479
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Speaker 1: from Joe every Tuesday and your in boxing. It's magical. Okay.

480
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: So I think that's all the housekeeping, which brings us

481
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: to the reason why we're here doing some fish News.

482
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: As a reminder, this is a competition. Joe and I

483
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: do not know what stories the other one is bringing

484
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: to the table, and we are competing for the affection,

485
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Speaker 1: the respect, the love. Dare I say of our are

486
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: brilliant and successful engineer Phil who will at the end

487
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Speaker 1: of this determine who is the winner and who is

488
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Speaker 1: going to cry just like Joe did at the end

489
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Speaker 1: of that PICTUREL episode. This this week Joe gets to

490
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: start it off. And uh, and so I will see

491
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: the floor to you, sir, well, yeah, so maybe this

492
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: is some future B side fighter. I don't know. For

493
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: a lot of you, this won't be news. And I

494
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: know this because you're d m ng me incessantly about it.

495
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Speaker 1: But in case you live near me and the southeastern

496
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania region and are not aware, we're having a brood

497
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Speaker 1: x cicada hatch this year, per science, it will be

498
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: exactly and uh, right now, there are dozens, maybe hundreds

499
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Speaker 1: of you tugging at your brewed x TCH just got

500
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: brud x x brune. So you might have also noticed that,

501
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: like on Insta and YouTube, right now, all the tires

502
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: are carving foam and stacking hair and preparation of this event,

503
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: and so we're clear, I'm not I'm not making fun

504
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: of the hatch because I'm told it's it's something to behold.

505
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: I've never experienced it personally. I just love the anticipation

506
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: and the name brewed X. I find so perfectly like

507
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: bro bra even though they aren't the people that named it,

508
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, it sounds like kind

509
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: of like an energy drink. Anyway, It's a fascinating deal though,

510
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: and there was a big story about it on the

511
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Speaker 1: website of CBS Pittsburgh. This is from the story. The

512
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: bugs have been lurking beneath the surface since two thousand four,

513
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: feeding on sap from the roots of plants, according to

514
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Speaker 1: Michael J. Rob Emeritus Professor of entomology at the University

515
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Speaker 1: of Maryland. Once they're mature, the big brood will emerge

516
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: in fifteen states, where they'll spend two to four weeks

517
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Speaker 1: in late Man early June, courting, mating, flying, driving people crazy,

518
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: being eaten by everything, including humans. Like so apparently this

519
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: dude actually eats He eats the cicadas as much as

520
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: the fish. So these things have been underground here since

521
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: two thousand four, and they only hatch once every seventeen years.

522
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: And like I said, well I've never experienced it. I've

523
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: seen plenty of video and it's nuts, particularly if you

524
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Speaker 1: like to fly fish for carp I'm sure you've seen

525
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: some of those videos kicking around. Um, yeah, yeah, because

526
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: they I mean, they get stupid on them and even

527
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: though a carp might pass up a loan bug at

528
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: a different time of year, they get so keyed into

529
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Speaker 1: this insane amount of protein on the surface they go ballistic.

530
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Speaker 1: And what I think is cool about this hatch is

531
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Speaker 1: that it's it's not really trout centric, you know. I mean, like,

532
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Speaker 1: sure you can catch a big old wild brown during

533
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Speaker 1: the brewed X hatch, but this is like the bass

534
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: fly guys hatch, and it's essentially it's like a popper hatch,

535
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, like the trout dudes are always trying to

536
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: go dainty to match olives and all this stuff, and

537
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: like you want a cicada fly at a splat and

538
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: then you can literally chug it across the surface still water,

539
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: moving water doesn't matter, and that's just badass. So um,

540
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: it's like the ultimate terrestrial hatch. And they interviewed George

541
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Speaker 1: Daniel in the piece. I don't know if you know

542
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Speaker 1: George at all or no of George Daniel, but he's

543
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: an East Coast guy, great guy, written a lot of books,

544
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: very knowledgeable angler, and he had some interesting stuff to

545
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: say about this hatch. And as I mentioned, whenever Breudex

546
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: pops up anywhere in the country, you see people pimping

547
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: these incredibly elaborate patterns, beautifully carved and stacked foam. It's

548
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: all like a POxy eat over and shiny, with mesh

549
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: wings and big bug eyes and spun hair in the works.

550
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: And George is basically like, yeah, but when it's on,

551
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: like you're gonna lose a lot of bugs and break

552
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: off big carp and stuff, So be practical. And they

553
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: linked to a video that he put together where he

554
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: recommends three patterns, one of which is just a chubby chernobyl,

555
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: like no big deal, just practical chubby chernobyl, and then

556
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: one is just essentially a larger version and of a

557
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: very simple foam beetle, and the last one plays off

558
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: that and he actually puts um some lead wraps on

559
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: the shank because he says, often a cicada riding just

560
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: under the surface gets a bit faster, especially in the

561
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Speaker 1: peak of the hatch, when you have lots of people

562
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Speaker 1: out there slapping down these big bugs. So I thought

563
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Speaker 1: that was just a very practical approach, Like it's sort

564
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Speaker 1: of like, I know, we try to get all artistic

565
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: with these crazy cicada bugs. But you know, he makes

566
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: a good point. You're hooking a lot of big fish

567
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: tie simple bugs, and I'm excited about this too. However,

568
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: I think the one aspect people don't consider is that,

569
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Speaker 1: like with with many hatches, this is often like a

570
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: drop everything and go deal, you know what I mean.

571
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Like the best case scenario is that you live a

572
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: stone's throw from from good Carpi or Bassi water and

573
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: can just haul ass to get there. Um because even

574
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: in the story they know that it takes time because

575
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not really on until they're mating and dying,

576
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Speaker 1: and it can be gonzo for weeks or days you

577
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: just don't know. But um, like many hatches, it's just

578
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: really hard and nail. Uh. They can't just be in

579
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Speaker 1: the trees, like you'll hear him in the trees. You

580
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: know that's a good sign, But they got to be

581
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: in the water. So you gotta hit it just right.

582
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: And I hope all of you that want that action

583
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Speaker 1: get it. I'd love to. I'd love to say I'm

584
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: gonna make an effort, but with my schedule, like it'll

585
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: be July in ten minutes and I'll never have gotten there,

586
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: or I'll get the call that it's on right now

587
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: this minute, um, which likely will not do me any good.

588
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: But you know, a boy can dream, so good luck everybody.

589
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Brewd X in the Eastern p a reagion. This fits

590
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: because we were just talking about this literally the last

591
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: segment when we're talking about the heckx hatch YEP with

592
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Speaker 1: with the awkward moments that we just did, and like

593
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: I just said, I am skeptical of these super hyped hatches,

594
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: and I think it fits into that. You know, like

595
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: people are talking about it all out so it could

596
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: be great, and if you happen to be there on

597
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: the days, that's great. I'm sure it's a ton of fun.

598
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: But the idea of chasing a hatch, to me, my

599
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: my advice to everybody out there is don't do it. Yeah, well,

600
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: and I think that's what people have in their heads.

601
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: This is so hyped in the news and fishermen are

602
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: talking about it and the tires are talking about it

603
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: that it's like for a month straight every day, all

604
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: the water is just gonna be blanketed with these things,

605
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: and the fish are gonna be going absolutely ballistic. And

606
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the way it goes down, you

607
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think there's a couple of

608
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: windows within the span of when they're going. And if

609
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: you're there, you're there. And if you've got cicada flies,

610
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: good for you. But you know, you probably need to

611
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of time to devote to get out

612
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: there to do it. What I want to know, and

613
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: here's what I hope you'll find out for me, is

614
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: this the one and only time when the rebel crickhopper

615
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: will actually catch a fish that was so well played,

616
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: that was so well played and tried and tried. I

617
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: want to believe I've done the diving model, I've done

618
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: the popper model. It has just never been Now somebody

619
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: ever like they are, they are drafting the piste off

620
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: email right now. I'd be pissed off of me. I've

621
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: never seen one catch a fish ever, somebody must catch

622
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: something with him. They've been making him for forty years. Yes,

623
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: I guess they do. I don't know, but but probably

624
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: that would actually probably be a good you know what,

625
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: I don't have time to tie cicada flies. I will

626
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: throw one crip copper popper in my fly box and

627
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: send it on a seven way if I just happened

628
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: to be there. Guarantee, just please do because I would

629
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Speaker 1: love to see that happen. I'm gonna move from from

630
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: big bugs to big fish with this story. On April,

631
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Speaker 1: Captain Justin Drummond and angler Troy Lancaster, along with a

632
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: whole crew, broke the Texas state bluefin tuna record with

633
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Speaker 1: a fish that was officially weighed at eight hundred and

634
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: seventy six pounds. Well that's a big in the sixty

635
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: ft qualified which the name of the boat left Port

636
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: or Ansis with basically just going out on on an

637
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: off shore trip. They had they had a window of

638
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: good weather for a couple of days, so they wanted

639
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: to go way off shore and and target. I mean really,

640
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: it was a group of guys who've done this trip

641
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: together a lot of years running, and they usually get

642
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: into marlin, and they get into yellow fin, and there's

643
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: a chance at bluefin. But it wasn't like they were

644
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: out there like I'm going for a giant bluefin. That

645
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: wasn't the goal. They were just going off shore because

646
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: they had a weather window and they figured it'd be good.

647
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: But the bluefin do show up in the Gulf every spring,

648
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: they're there, and and so they these guys went out.

649
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: They went on a on a big run. Uh, went

650
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: all the way out to the open ocean rigs. The

651
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: qualified ran I think a hundred and fifty miles. That

652
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: makes sense, I was gonna say, because I know they're

653
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: in the Gulf, but you hear about them more out

654
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: of western Florida and Louisiana, Like you don't hear much

655
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: about Texas boats running into him. So well, boys and

656
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: then boys and went for they did. They did. They

657
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: went a long ways up and I guess I guess

658
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: they actually stopped somewhere along the line at a drop earlier,

659
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: didn't get anything, kept going through the night, got out

660
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: of a hundred fifty miles, set up, got going before dawn,

661
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: and and it was kind of on like as soon

662
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: as they started fishing, they caught some skip jack for bait,

663
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: and like right off the bat just got into big bites. Uh.

664
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: They had three big bites. Right off the bat. They

665
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: broke off one blue marlin that they saw jump right

666
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: behind the boat, that they estimated about five hundred pounds.

667
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: And then just after nine am they had another blow

668
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: up and they didn't see it, but this thing just

669
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: dug and they knew it was something something big. Can

670
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: I ask, are they trolling like trolling live skip Jack?

671
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: Is that what they're doing? Okay? Okay? And that that

672
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: turned out to be a massive tuna. Now, when it

673
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: comes to fighting tuna, Hemingway. Hemingway once wrote about tuna

674
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: fishing for the Toronto Star Weekly, and this is a quote.

675
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: Hemingway said, it is a back sickening, sinew straining, man

676
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: size job, even with a rod that looks like a

677
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: hoe handle. But if you land a big tuna after

678
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: a six hour fight, fight him man against fish until

679
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: your muscles are nauseated with the unceasing strain, and finally

680
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: bring him up alongside the boat Blue green and Silver

681
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: in the lazy ocean. You will be purified and you

682
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: will be able to enter unabashed into the presence of

683
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: the very elder gods, and they will make you welcome

684
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't describe say what you will about hemmingway,

685
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: my friend. But if that's not like a passage about

686
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: fighting a big tuna, maybe the best one ever written.

687
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I have caught a

688
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: lot of blue fen and I've never felt quite that way.

689
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: That was beautiful. I'm just like, I'm sorry, Give me

690
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: a beer, Jason, get me a beer. And in the

691
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: way of that, I don't. I'm not totally sure what

692
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: level of enlightenment. Troy Lancaster, the the angler, achieved after

693
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: fighting his record fish, but his fight did not go

694
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: on for six hours. It went on for nine hours,

695
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: and just after six pm the crew had the fish

696
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: landed and began the long run back to port A,

697
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: where the way Master was waiting when they arrived well

698
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: after midnight. Now, breaking the Texas bluefin record seems to

699
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: be a trend, because last April, a crew out of

700
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Galveston landed an eight pounder, which would have beaten the

701
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: pound record set hadn't been weighed on a certified scale. Unfortunately,

702
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: there's some some issues with that one last year and

703
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: it was thrown out. This most recent catch, however, will

704
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: stand beating the previous mark by nearly seventy pounds, and

705
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 1: that's it's a remarkable fish, it's a it's a great fish.

706
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: But breaking the state record two years running strikes me

707
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: as even more newsworthy than the fish itself, because it

708
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: it hints at a broader story around this fishery in

709
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: these fish. Atlantic bluefin have been the poster child for

710
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: over fishing for like my whole life. Right, they're massive, right,

711
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: So they're they're they're they're huge size. And the dramatic

712
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: population decline that we witnessed, combined with the astronomical and

713
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous price that prime bluefin can fetch at auction,

714
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: has made them this this obvious focal point, this sort

715
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: of media frenzy in discussions about over fishing. Yeah, that's

716
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: sort of what they've become. If you're gonna talk about

717
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: over fishing, you think of Atlantic bluefin. And there's a

718
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: reason for that. In the seventies and the eighties, atlantic

719
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: bluefin stocks dropped by an estimated and so in the nineties,

720
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: two organizations with just ridiculously long names, the North American

721
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: Oceanic and Atmospheric Association and the International Commission for the

722
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: Conservation of Atlantic Tunas teamed up to oversee one of

723
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: the most comp hends of fisheries management strategies on the planet.

724
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: It included a variety of standard tools like seasonal closures

725
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: and strict retention limits, but it also came up with

726
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: some unique strategies, like the individual bluefin tuna Quota program,

727
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: which created economic incentives for commercial fishermen to minimize bluefin bycatch.

728
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: NOAH also enacted longline gear restrictions in the Gulf of Mexico,

729
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: the curtailed bluefin by catch by sev Now all that

730
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: effort actually paid off. Bluefin stocks increased every year from

731
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: two thousand four to two thousand and seventeen. That year,

732
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: it CAT released a report recommending an increase in Western

733
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: Atlantic bluefin harvest quotas. In two thousand nineteen, the total

734
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: bluefin biomass for this population had increased by six percent

735
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: from its lowest point, and no released a statement declaring

736
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: that US caught Atlantic bluefin tuna was now a sustainable

737
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: food choice. Unfortunately, in the wake of the increased quotas

738
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: and relaxed regulations over the past three years, those stock

739
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: numbers look like they might be starting to dip again.

740
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: One study estimates that Atlantic bluefin stocks have fallen by

741
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: nearly thirty since two thousand seventeen. All this is to

742
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: say that bluefin aren't like the third rail totally unsustainable

743
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: fishery that they once were. There actually a positive recovery

744
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: story despite what most people know, but like it's still

745
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: tenuous and their futures is uncertain. Western Atlantic bluefin migrate

746
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: from the Gulf of Mexico all the way up past you,

747
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: up the eastern seaboard to Canada. So the big fish

748
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: that are kind of famous around Newfoundland are the exact

749
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: same ones caught off the coast of Texas. Ye bluefin

750
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: spawn in the Gulf and then head north to challenge

751
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: harring and mackerel and all the other food fish you

752
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: guys have out there. The fact that the Texas record

753
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: has been broken two years in rows rights me as

754
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: a testament to the success of decades of recovery efforts.

755
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: Regardless of where we are right now, these big spawning

756
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: size fish take decades to grow, so the one that

757
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: Lancaster caught was allowed to reach that size in large

758
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: part due to intense and impressive bluefin management. The recreational

759
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: harvest quota in the Gulf is is just a few

760
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: thousand pounds every year, So once four or five big

761
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: fish get caught, the whole season just shuts down from

762
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: Florida all the way to Texas. Yep, yep. It's like

763
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: it's like a rolling target. Yeah, yep. According to an

764
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: interview that Troy Lancaster did the Angler did with with

765
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: our own buddy Sam Longren, Lancaster didn't have a choice

766
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: about whether or not he should harvest that particular fish.

767
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: During the fight, it got tail wrapped right, like the

768
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: tail wrapped up in the line, and tuna can't breathe

769
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: unless they're swimming forward, so once it got tangled, it's suffocated.

770
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: And unlike other some other kinds of fish anyway, tuna

771
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: aren't buoyant. So for the last two hours of that fight,

772
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Lancaster was just lifting dead weight from a thousand feet down, Like, yeah,

773
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 1: I heard the story on this. They would they would

774
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: have to. They had the drag on that real maxed

775
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: out at fifty pounds, and they'd run the boat forward

776
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: to lift the fish up a little and then back

777
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: down on it as fast as they could and like

778
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: cranking a little bit of line and then run forward

779
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: and then back down. It sounds just brutal awful, just

780
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: almost worse than fighting it the right way, right way forward,

781
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: way worse. And then nine hours, like seven hour normal fight,

782
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: two hours of lifting dead weight, they finally get it

783
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: to the transom. It took another hour and a half

784
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: to actually drag the thing on board. Uh quote from

785
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: Lancaster here, we had seven guys on board, and one

786
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: of them wasn't worth a ship and that was me

787
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: because the dude had just been fighting this fish for

788
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: nine hour. I appreciate that. I'm always really fascinated by

789
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: big bluefin caught in the golf. It's one of those

790
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: things that like that fish is so uh you know,

791
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: so synonymous with the Northeast that you forget that that

792
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: is where they end up, and they have the southern

793
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: guys have a chance at these giant blue veins. They

794
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: also have gigantic mako sharks in the Gulf, and mako

795
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: is such like a Northeast fishery too, but those dudes

796
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: down there have them way bigger. So it's I always

797
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: think this is this is incredibly cool. But there are

798
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: actually other fisheries along that route, like one of the

799
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: real famous ones that I think actually also goes back

800
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: to Hemingway days. They used to have a huge tournament

801
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: in Biminy when those fish were passing through and like

802
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: the game was you wanted it to be like shit,

803
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: nasty rough and they would like spot them coming through

804
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: the crests of the swells and like feed them a

805
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: bally who in the waves. And that went on for

806
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: decades and that that doesn't I don't think that really

807
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: happens anymore, or you can't target them because they're not

808
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: in season now when it's happening. Um. But yeah, man,

809
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean bluefin was a great success and now they

810
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: could be in trouble again. There's also um, I believe

811
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: they found out that there was mixing of the Eastern

812
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: and Western Atlantic stocks. So for years they thought, well,

813
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: let the let the Italians or whoever take as many

814
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: as they want. It's not effecting our fish. Actually that

815
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: was wrong. There's proof that there's some some mixing of

816
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: the species. You know they're over there with the gabba

817
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: ghoul and the tunas um. But it's tough, man. I

818
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: love bluefin fishing and I don't believe it's it's been

819
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: changed or altered again. But for for this year. Right now,

820
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: it's like it's one fish per boat in Jersey, and

821
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: I think it has to be at least twenty eight

822
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: in forty four seven. I don't quote me on that,

823
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: but it's irrelevant because they've been pretty abundant the last

824
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: few seasons, the smaller size fish, the popping size fish.

825
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: But I mean, you think about it from a chartering perspective.

826
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: You know, you've got a two thousand dollar tuna charter,

827
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: you're breaking up with your boys. Not a whole lot

828
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: of incentive to throw that kind of money out to

829
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: go out and bring one. Like what what do you do?

830
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: Then when you catch the twenty eight inchurer on the

831
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: first pass, it's like, we're not a bigger one? Or

832
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: do you keep that one? So I want to see

833
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: those fish thrive because I love chasing them. But I

834
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: gotta be honest man, like I am. You know me,

835
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm not a meat fisherman, but I'm a glutton for tuna.

836
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: Like when I make the effort to go tuna fishing,

837
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: I want all the tuna. I want my three yellow fin.

838
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: I want them all because I don't know what I'm

839
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: gonna get there again. So it's it's tough, man. And

840
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: when you when you do catch and release tuna, they

841
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: fight themselves to death, you know what I mean, Like

842
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: do they exhaust themselves? So um, you gotta put some

843
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: faith in science. You want these fish to be around.

844
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: But from a recreational perspective, those legs right now, it

845
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: makes you kind of question burning that kind of fuel

846
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: to go out there and catch one. You know, they're

847
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: pretty and I understand the questioning. But if you look

848
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: at the numbers the recreational fishery, I think I read

849
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: as worth something like I don't have the numbers in

850
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: front me many millions of dollars what I'm going to

851
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: say because I read this earlier and I've read too

852
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: many things. But the despite the fact that what you

853
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: say that you don't know if you're it's worth it

854
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: or not, a lot of people think it is enough

855
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: that they're willing to spend the money even with the

856
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: what someone called draconian regulations on fish. And then these

857
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: last Oh yeah, dude. I I say that because I'm

858
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have enough people where it's a gas

859
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: money trip. But I mean, you think about the guys

860
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: who you know. For a lot of people they don't

861
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: have that access. They're booking their big trip every year. Um, dude,

862
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: I've been there, not because of the rags, just because

863
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: it was a slow day and you got five dudes

864
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: on board and you got one thirty five inch blue fan.

865
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: It's like, I'll take the tail. I guess you know

866
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like there's there's not good divvying. The

867
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: divvying is very depressing, you know what I'm saying. It's

868
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: very depressing divvying. So five guys fighting over the belly,

869
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: so a lot of a lot of that bluefin, the

870
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: big ones. I don't really know where it goes. I

871
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: guess there's fancy enough sushi places that buy some of

872
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: it in the States. I don't have enough money to

873
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: eat at them, but you might find one at a casino,

874
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: which is going to lead into my next story. Okay,

875
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: so not superfishient related per se. But I found this

876
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: interesting nonetheless, And the main message of this story is

877
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: that everything is smart now and just keeps getting smarter.

878
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: And we're talking about things, um that in many cases

879
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: probably didn't even really need to be smart, Like, as

880
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: an example, they are smart fishing rods now that connect

881
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: to your phone, and tell you the weather and how

882
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: many times you've casted and so on, and many of

883
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: you guys probably have smart smokers and crop pots and

884
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Um. And this is posing

885
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: a growing problem in the world of cybersecurity because it

886
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago that all this sector really had

887
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: to focus on where I t assets like servers and workstations. Now,

888
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: of course we have to worry about cybersecurity on our

889
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: phones and laptops. But the reality is if it connects

890
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: to the Internet, even if it's just your smart bobber

891
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: or your smart gaff or whatever, it can potentially be

892
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: hacked into and used to get into your larger system,

893
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: like you're your larger files. Um. And this is exactly

894
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: what happened at a North American casino not long ago. Now,

895
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: the article on the website entrepreneur dot com that I

896
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: found does not name the casino, but this casino featured

897
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: huge fish tanks on the casino floor. And of course

898
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: nobody wants to, you know, sit there and yank on

899
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: a slot machine and look at dead fish, because that's

900
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: a buzz kill. Uh. So every aspect of these tanks

901
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: are were made smart so they could be monitored by

902
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: the casino's network from behind the scenes, and hackers ended

903
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: up getting ahold of the casino's database of high rollers

904
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: by breaking into the system through the fish tanks thermometers.

905
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: What yes, right, So the weak in the system that

906
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: they could hack into and then and then and then

907
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: get what they needed. They hacked into the smart thermometers

908
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: in the casino's gigantic fish tanks. And every and whenever

909
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: I hear anything about someone trying to get get one

910
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: over on a casino for whatever reason, what comes to

911
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: mind is funny farm. Do you know what I'm talking about?

912
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: Chevy Chase is terror. I don't remember the senior You

913
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: don't remember the scene where his he makes the wife

914
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: read the novel and then he ends up burning it. Yeah,

915
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: four poker buddies knocking over a casino the perfect crime anyway.

916
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: From the story per Nicole Egan, who is um from

917
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: the security firm Dark Trace, the attackers used a fish

918
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: tank thermometer to get a foothold in the network. They

919
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: then found the high roller database and then pull that

920
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: information out of the main frame back into the thermostat

921
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: in the tank, and then from the thermostat uploaded it

922
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: to their cloud. So I did a little background digging

923
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: and the breach Actually this is a new article, but

924
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: the breach happened last summer and the hackers were able

925
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: to pull ten gigs of data through the fish tank

926
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: thermostat to a device in Finland. One of the reports

927
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: that came out around the time of the breach said

928
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: some pretty scary shit. Uh. One area that is super

929
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: smart these days as kids toys and the FBI is

930
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: actually warren parents that like a smart Teddy Bear that

931
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: reads stories, or like your Fisher priced tablet connected to

932
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: your WiFi, could potentially be used to help hackers like

933
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: learn the names and locations of your kids. So everything

934
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: becoming smart has drawbacks. It's awful, but but it's also

935
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: important to note that like the cybersecurity sector is working

936
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: very hard to keep up with that, so like this

937
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: fish tank incident helps them stop that like from ever

938
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: happening again. So that industry is adapting as things are

939
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: being made smarter and smarter. Um. But I mean, I

940
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: know there are hundreds of you listening that have that

941
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: smart rod, so bear in mind, like those could be

942
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: hacked and someone could learn that the last ptures you

943
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: put on Instagram. We're all taken at the same spillway,

944
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: and you will be outed, so keep that in mind.

945
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: But that's how they got in the fish tank. How

946
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: am I supposed to transition out of that into anything?

947
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: When you screwing transition still counts the transitions he does.

948
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: I think this is just a ployer, like I don't

949
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: have a good story, but I'm gonna screw him over

950
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: so you get you know what, I don't have a

951
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: good story either, So I'm gonna move from your stupid

952
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: story that has nothing to do about fit with fishing

953
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: my stupid story that has slightly more to do with fishing.

954
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, look, I know this is this is a

955
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: cheesy story and and kind of dumb. But after reading

956
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: about it and then I fell into this video watching

957
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: hole after I found the story, and I couldn't stop.

958
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: It was mesmerizing. Uh. And I'm sure any listeners we

959
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: have in the Madison, Wisconsin area are well aware of

960
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: what I'm about talk about because it's it's clearly clearly

961
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: the local news is all over it. I don't think

962
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: there's much else to talk about in Madison right now,

963
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: at least nothing positive, so they're all covering the same thing.

964
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: But but if if you are in that area and

965
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: you haven't already heard about it, you should know because

966
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: you might still have time to check out some flying

967
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: muskies if you hurry. Every spring, muskies migrate out of

968
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: Lake Monona in downtown Madison and up the Winger Creek

969
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: where they run into a a three foot tall dam

970
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: and they're the big socks all congregate mill around in

971
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: the pool below the dam. And then just like sock salmon,

972
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: they throw themselves into the air and leap over the

973
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: concrete impediment to reach the warm water of Lake Wingra.

974
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: So it's like it's just like all those salmon videos

975
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: you've seen, except with musky doesn't say Wisconsin. You don't

976
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: have postcards with this on them, Like this seems like

977
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: the kind of thing, like what are you doing? Capitalize

978
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: the idea. Muskies are not quite as acrobatic aerially when

979
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: when not hooked as the salmon. They're not quite as

980
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: as smooth about it, a little awkward award. There's there's

981
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: some awkward, some awkward failures, which makes it even more

982
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: endearing to me. But but they do they do make

983
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: it over sometimes, but a lot of times they don't,

984
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: And clearly this is something that people know about and

985
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: they're into. I'd never heard of it. You hadn't heard

986
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: of it. It must be a local thing, and I

987
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: couldn't completely tell, but it seems like there's a viewing

988
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: platform where people really yeah, dude, And there's no T shirts.

989
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't reported, no T shirts reported, But I think

990
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: I think there's a gold mine opportunity for anybody again

991
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: in that area. Get out there and stuff somebody shirt

992
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: if you If there's stickers or something at this, I'll trade.

993
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: We'll trade you bent stickers for like a pack of

994
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: like I've whatever they are. I watched the jumping Muskies

995
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: of Madison. I'm so glad you feel the same way

996
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: about this as I, because all I do is this

997
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: is like a perfect springtime activity. If you're not actually

998
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna go fishing, right, load up the whole family, Like,

999
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: let's go watch some flying muskie kids. And the kids

1000
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: are gonna be annoyed, but if you get them a

1001
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: hot dog and a T shirt, they're probably into it.

1002
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: So I loved everything about this, And again I spent

1003
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: more time than I should have when I was working

1004
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: watching flying muskie videos and then I read further into

1005
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: the story, and what had felt like a heartwarming family

1006
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: funtail it started to go a little south. I f

1007
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: and be honest, because it turns out like all those

1008
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: muskie are are going over that damn so they can

1009
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 1: get to the warmer lake upstream to spawn. It turns

1010
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: out that the contaminants in lake wing rep prevent muskie

1011
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: eggs from actually hatching, and and the DNR has no

1012
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: recorded evidence of natural fish recruitment in that system. So

1013
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: they jumped the damn and then can't nothing happens when

1014
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: they get there, They can't reproduce. They do all like

1015
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: they go through all that work, they swim up the creek,

1016
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: they hit the damn, they fly over it, and it's

1017
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: utterly futile. How many years has this been going on?

1018
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: Like wouldn't they like wouldn't the fish in the system

1019
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: like have their genetics sorted out by now to know that,

1020
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: like that's not gonna work out. Well, I mean, hatchery fish,

1021
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: there's no natural recruit in the system. They're all they're

1022
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: all hatchery fish, got you, okay? Well that yeah, that's that.

1023
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: That makes the t shirts a little sadder, But I

1024
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: would still i'd still I still enjoy having one. Well, uh,

1025
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you got this one. I won't.

1026
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but giant tuna jumping with

1027
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: the beats, uh, the cicada's and casino ice. So you

1028
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: hear that, Philly just rolling over and give it to me,

1029
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: I'll take Yeah, it's okay, it's okay. Phil surprises is

1030
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: sometimes though, So we're gonna hear from Phil and then

1031
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: are gonna move on a covering water h with a gentleman.

1032
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: A lot of you probably are aware of former dude

1033
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: behind Barstool Outdoors, Ben Friedman, but he's better known by

1034
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: another name. All those stupid stories that have nothing to

1035
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: do with fishing usually appeal to me. You guys called

1036
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: it already, Miles, you're the winner this week, Joe. I

1037
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: do think, however, that your fish thermostatic casino heist story

1038
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: could be the next exciting addition to the Ocean's movie franchise.

1039
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the water punt is already there, so the

1040
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: movie practically rights itself, and you're gonna need a crew

1041
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: as nuts as you are. Who do you gonna mind?

1042
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm Joe A Miles Nulty. This is real horse coming

1043
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: to you. This is Stripe, a chunk and expert, Bob

1044
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: the garbage man Briton and not a now scheme. What's up,

1045
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: pass wives, it's me your boy lance V. You proved

1046
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: your point. You broke into my vault. Congratulate shows you're

1047
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: a dead man. I'm going in. I can hold it. No,

1048
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm alright, alright, So joining us today for covering water,

1049
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: we have got Mr Ben Freedman. However, most people are

1050
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: going to know you by a different name, which would

1051
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: be tell us what they'd know you by. I guess, uh,

1052
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: Young page Views, I don't know. It's the last time

1053
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: I was Little Mediator podcast. It's kind of the same

1054
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: situation where Steve was looking at me like, what the

1055
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: hell is so hYP I guess I don't know why. Yes,

1056
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: so young page use y p and you would have

1057
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: guy you you like, kicked off and grew bar stool outdoors.

1058
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: That was your gig, right, Yes, yeah, from from this brain.

1059
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: One of the only things is brain has ever really

1060
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: developed up in here other than thinking about fish. I

1061
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: guess it's still related to fish. But yeah, we've we've

1062
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: seen some evidence there. There's some other things that came

1063
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: out of that brain. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that too,

1064
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: so people know you as young page views and I

1065
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: just have to add it famously, when you interviewed for barstool,

1066
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: what did you bring to the office A wallaby or

1067
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: something like that, A live animal? Yes, there was. It

1068
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: was an albino wallaby named Winston I believe his name was.

1069
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: And honestly, our paths have never crossed since, and I

1070
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: sometimes I didn't wonder what Winston is doing out there,

1071
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,479
Speaker 1: probably hopping around a pasture. Hold On, hold on, where

1072
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: did you get a line on an albino wallaby? Like?

1073
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: How did that come about? Honestly, I think I got

1074
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: it luckier than I realized, because I have since looked.

1075
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: I have looked for them for other reasons that or not.

1076
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to procure wallaby again, and it was way

1077
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: harder the second time. So I guess I got one

1078
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: the first time. But it was I think I found

1079
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: it online. It was some lady had like a fall wallaby. No,

1080
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: it was in it. It was like in New York.

1081
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: I think I was looking up exotic animal things because

1082
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: I was looking for a tiger and the tiger was

1083
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: too much money, so I was like, had to go

1084
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: to plan B. Don't you hate that when the tiger

1085
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: is too much money? Like you have your heart set

1086
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,479
Speaker 1: on a tiger. I was so sad because in my mind,

1087
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, what a great idea. I'll just get a

1088
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: tiger and then I'll walk in And then it turns

1089
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: out you have to get permits to bring a freaking

1090
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: Bengal Tiger. City were sticklers about that, but any But

1091
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: here's why I asked though. I brought it up because

1092
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: did you know that there is a wallaby on Instagram

1093
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: called Young Pouch Views which appears to be named him

1094
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: in St. Louis. That's another wall be that I went

1095
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: to visit when it was a baby and they were

1096
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: naming it and then it was called young Pouch Jews.

1097
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: But then I honestly have been kind of a dead

1098
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: beat dad. I got to go back and check on

1099
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: the wall I have. Admittedly, I'm gonna say right now,

1100
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: hand up, I've not gone back, and it feels horrible

1101
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: to say out love, I have not gone back and

1102
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: played with it since that first in some states. In

1103
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: some states you can't get a fishing license if you

1104
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: don't pay your wallaby support so you gotta watch that, man. Yeah.

1105
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: But anyway, man, so you you put out content for

1106
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of years, um for bar stool, and you

1107
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 1: know a lot of your your fishing content. I noticed

1108
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: it was like sort of like a little bit of

1109
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: a jackass element to what you did too. Like you

1110
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: did a lot of videos of you, like in precarious

1111
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: situations or doing painful things. Right, A lot of it

1112
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: looked uncomfortable. Yes, sometimes I just stand there and get

1113
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: bit by like three pythons, and like, honestly it was.

1114
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: It was kind of fun because once I started getting

1115
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: bit by more and more stuff, I realized, I'm like

1116
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is overhyped, you know what

1117
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean? Like a python, I've gotten hooks in my

1118
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: finger fifty million times more painful than getting bit by

1119
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: python thirty times in a row. And I kind of

1120
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: it was fun to almost like dispel that weird fear

1121
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: that people have. That makes sense, I don't know, that's

1122
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: like the most um trying to make it more than

1123
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: a eulogy of getting bit by I guess goes for

1124
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: a bigger reason. Okay, So I asked you about all

1125
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: these these videos where you're in uncomfortable situations because there

1126
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: may be a question or two tied to them in

1127
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: covering water and to explain how that works. Here's what

1128
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: we do. So I'm gonna put two minutes on the

1129
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: clock on my cell phone and we are just going

1130
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: to pepper you with questions. And this is different from

1131
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: your rapid fire. So instead of doing like a a

1132
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: like a formal, like well thought out interview, you have

1133
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: just seconds to answer each one because the clock is ticking. Okay,

1134
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: I can't think. We've never had we can't think too much,

1135
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: and we've never had anybody pass. I mean, I don't think.

1136
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a rule, but like you know,

1137
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: you know. But then what we'll do is at the

1138
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: end of your two minutes, we'll give you a full

1139
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: minute to expand on any one of your answers. So

1140
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: like we always say, whichever one you think is the

1141
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: most damning, like which is the one that you're like, oh,

1142
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: should I should not have said that, We'll give you

1143
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: a whole minute to undo what you've done. You get

1144
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: to save. It's it's a it's a career saver after

1145
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: you like a little bits. That's basically what we're gonna

1146
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: do usually less thinking? Is it for me? So right?

1147
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: Afore you can beat to my advantage? All right, So Miles,

1148
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: are your questions ready? All right? Here we go, Ben,

1149
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? As ready as I could be?

1150
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I may not be, but this is

1151
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: hopefully I'm ready. Okay, Myles, I'll lead, I'll start, okay,

1152
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: and two minutes are on the clock. Starting now. Your

1153
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: childhood fishing idol was, say Mike Ignelli and my grandpa.

1154
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: I gotta throw him in there as well. Oh I

1155
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: like that. I like that. Have you ever had long hair? Um? Never?

1156
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: Never longer? Like maybe to the top of my ears?

1157
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: But that's it. If you could fish with any celebrity,

1158
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: living or dead, who would it be? Honestly, Drake, this

1159
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: is a weird one. I'll explain it in my minute

1160
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: after the recording artist. Okay, okay. What's the most underrated

1161
01:03:53,600 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: fishing state? Oh, I'm gonna say Missouri hometown. Don't know.

1162
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't get enough credit. I think it's

1163
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: very fun. What's the most expensive pair of sneakers? You

1164
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: wont did? I have to buy him? My mom one

1165
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: time helped me get these nikes for my birthday, and

1166
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: they were called like the pocket knife DM or something.

1167
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 1: They were like two nine dollars and they're they're they're

1168
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: like camo colored with orange bottoms. Pretty cool, gangster rep

1169
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: or outlawed country. Probably gangs arrived to be honest, nice nice?

1170
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: Which is the most funny target? Snakeheads, peacock bass, or

1171
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,959
Speaker 1: clown knife fish. Honestly, I'm in love with clown knife

1172
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: fish right now. That's subject to change. But my answers

1173
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: clown knife fish, maps, vibrats, panther martin or rooster tail

1174
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: rooster's tail. What's worse getting stung by a man o

1175
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: wore jellyfish or bitten by a python jelly? The man

1176
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: war is definitely worse because it lasts longer. It lasts

1177
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: for like hours. Sketchiest spot you've ever gone fishing? A

1178
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: few days ago down here in South Florida, the guy

1179
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: with a machette was walking by me in one of

1180
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: these canals. I think any of the canals in South

1181
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: Florida are the scariest place I've ever got. What's the

1182
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: worst place you've ever been hooked? Oh? I would say,

1183
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of two places. Either down near

1184
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: the gonads in the leg that we could have been bad.

1185
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: Or I'd say, like up here in the upper upper

1186
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: face region where it's luckily fingers crossed. Neither one has

1187
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: been a direct hit yet, but I'd say one of

1188
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: those two. All right, finished the sentence. Most fishermen are

1189
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: just drinking. Okay, we got time for one more? Each year?

1190
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: What was the last CD you purchased, not album you downloaded,

1191
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: c D you purchased. Probably Jimmy Buffett greatest hits. Uh,

1192
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: it was like an all incoming doubles at the register

1193
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: at the costco. All right, man, got time for one more? Oh?

1194
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: I get one more? Yeah? Okay. Would you rather be

1195
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: a rapper or a tournament bass angler? Oh? Am I

1196
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: going to be a champion of either one. Yes, I

1197
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: feel like probably tournament bass angler, but I don't know.

1198
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: There might be more money in the music industry. So

1199
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: definitely we are we are out and listen, we didn't

1200
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about it up front, but there's there's

1201
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: there were several rap questions in here because for people

1202
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: who don't know, right before you were in the outdoor industry,

1203
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: right you were, you were making a play to be

1204
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: a rapper, like we've listened to your song. Actually catch sure, sure, absolutely, man,

1205
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: I gotta scrub those off the internet. My don't do that.

1206
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: But like so the rap dream kind of not We're

1207
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: not you're not dreaming it anymore. Ever, you never know,

1208
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There? Who knows? But I

1209
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: mean it's certainly lost some theme in the past aple years.

1210
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: Can you freestyle right now? No, I'm out a lot

1211
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: of people that are good at rapping, maybe good at freestyle.

1212
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: I would be the guy that it would take like

1213
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: a week to write a song and then I'd have

1214
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: to record it like fifty thousand times in the studio

1215
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: to be able to make it like no, man, But

1216
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: because we're so into music, we couldn't not bring up

1217
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: the wrap the rap career. So anyway, but anyway, I

1218
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: am gonna put one minute on the clock and and

1219
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: feel free to expand on any one of your answers

1220
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: that you feel feel you'd like everybody to know more about.

1221
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: Time starts now. Um, I would say the one that

1222
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: has really just been in my mind for a while,

1223
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: and it says one celebrity like living or dead. There

1224
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: was a time I figot like last year, a couple

1225
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: of years ago, I was sitting there and I just said, wondered,

1226
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: if you know, there's the rapper named Drake is probably

1227
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: the biggest dude in the entire industry right now as

1228
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: far as pop music anything. He's he's a star. But

1229
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't find any evidence of him fishing ever.

1230
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: For some reason, it maybe something with my weird personality,

1231
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: whatever is in my brain that caused me to be

1232
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: so screw it up. I became obsessed with trying to

1233
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: figure out if he's ever just gone fishing one time.

1234
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: And this guy, you gotta think of super famous celebrity,

1235
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: their life's been documented for a decade and sometime now

1236
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of him ever going fishing one time.

1237
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: Not a picture, not an account, not anything. I'm starting

1238
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: to think this grown man who's worth, you know, a

1239
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: couple of hundred million dollars, has never caught a fish.

1240
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: And for some reason, it's like one of my missions

1241
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: in life to just I want to be the dude

1242
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 1: that takes him to go fishing, because I feel like

1243
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that joy in his life, money and

1244
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: women and success. He's never caught a fish. No, if

1245
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm not dissing him. I just it seems like something

1246
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: every human should have as part of their experience on Earth,

1247
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: and I just don't think he's done. So I don't

1248
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: know why I want to take him fishing. Well, I'm

1249
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: sure Drake's listening to the show, so I'm I'm positive

1250
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: is gonna happen for you? Now? Are you gonna slip

1251
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: him the demo tape? Like? Just maybe? Because because you

1252
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: never know? You know what, I didn't even think of

1253
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: that part of this could be my roundabout the way

1254
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: I think the dream could still be alive. I need

1255
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: to somehow get him to go fish with me, and

1256
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: then maybe even just hav enough fund that he comes back,

1257
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: and then I'll be like, hey, I'll pick you up

1258
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: and I'll just be playing it in the car. Uh.

1259
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: I think I think there's a lesson in there. Is there?

1260
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: I think tell do tell here. Here's what I distilled

1261
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: from that. Albino Wallaby's ruined rap careers every time. If

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Speaker 1: you ever find yourself walking to a Manhattan offics cradling

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Speaker 1: an Albino Wallaby, your future is a rap artist is over.

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Speaker 1: And I dare you to prove me wrong with evidence

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Speaker 1: on that one isn't that what what made DMX go

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Speaker 1: out something with an albino wallaby? I don't know, You're

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Speaker 1: probably right here. Look, I I appreciate a lot of rap.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like a huge rap fan, but say what

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Speaker 1: you want about YP songs. There were a couple of

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Speaker 1: hooks that's stuck with me. Like there were a couple

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Speaker 1: like I found myself just like muttering them in the car.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, man, that like it's a good hook.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like we're doing our audience and him

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Speaker 1: a disservice if we don't at least give you a

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Speaker 1: little taste, just like a little bit right. So here's

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Speaker 1: here's why peace putting a little hot fire. I'm really

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Speaker 1: young page views. They can make this content till this

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Speaker 1: one at night. Just might take your lunch and need it,

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Speaker 1: and we'll bite cameras, cameras, cameras, cameras, give me all

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Speaker 1: the footage. Micaba called you smash your woman and now

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01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: that you know what's been playing in Joe's head on

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Speaker 1: that concludes our cosmotology masterclass for this week. But as

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Speaker 1: you're sweeping up, note the ragged clumps of wisdom we

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Speaker 1: left behind. Long haired peanut Butter sandwich smugglers should not

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Speaker 1: travel internationally with rod tubes. Fish flies like to get

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Speaker 1: freaky and zz top beards, and snake things hurt less

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01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: than fish hooks embedded in fingers, at least according to

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Speaker 1: that one source that is correct. Hey, also, please keep

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Speaker 1: sending mail to Bent at the meat eater dot com.

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01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: We want your off weird photos, bar nomination, sabin items,

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01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: fish news, suggestions, and general sentiments about life, the universe

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Speaker 1: and everything. Yes, we do. We also love to see

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Speaker 1: what you're tagging with the Degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags.

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Speaker 1: Keep us up to date on the important things in

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Speaker 1: your life. And until next time, so long and thanks

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Speaker 1: for all the fish