Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome from the Chris Westlink podcast studio to
Speaker 1: another episode of Around the NFL. But it's a special one.
Speaker 1: It's the Trade Deadline Special. Dan hanss here with heroes
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. Boys, the deadline has recorded.
Speaker 1: This is one week away. Pinch yourselves. I love this
Speaker 1: time of year.
Speaker 2: I love a little team building, and I love the
Speaker 2: fact that the NFL trade deadlines starting to make progress,
Speaker 2: starting to catch up to the Major League Baseball in
Speaker 2: the NBA Trade Deadline Act players.
Speaker 1: Sestog listen to this. Yeah, what about the fact that
Speaker 1: I've been using sestog more lately? Is that a nod
Speaker 1: to money? Is it just the natural evolution of things,
Speaker 1: your thoughts? Natural revolution? I accept it. I don't comfortable
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of control over what happens.
Speaker 1: Whiet Storm Mark with a C.
Speaker 3: Like every couple of months we learned that some athlete
Speaker 3: has taken quiet Storm is their nickname to it.
Speaker 4: I fine, Oh, they're trying to take your name. They
Speaker 4: have no idea exists.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give that away. Maybe all right,
Speaker 1: Quiet storming to it just as and we have a
Speaker 1: special guest just about to join us before we bring
Speaker 1: him in a quick reminder like Greg saying, NFL is
Speaker 1: making strides and making the trade deadline a thing which
Speaker 1: always made sense, but now gms and teams aren't so afraid.
Speaker 1: Last year, these are some of the key names moved
Speaker 1: at the deadline. Christian McCaffrey, TJ. Hokinson, Bradley Chubb, Chase Claypool,
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool Mistake, Roquan Smith, Calvin Ridley, Robert Quinn all
Speaker 1: ahead of the deadline last year. So you would assume.
Speaker 1: We don't want to assume too much, but there will
Speaker 1: be big moves to come this week as well, So
Speaker 1: without any other delay, let's welcome in a man who
Speaker 1: knows this business of news in the NFL, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna help take us through it a little bit. What
Speaker 1: to be on the lookout for with the deadline a
Speaker 1: week away? Here he comes, Mike Garifolo us up, body,
Speaker 1: what's happening boys?
Speaker 5: How are we? We are?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 5: H deadliney?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You feel is to take you back to the
Speaker 1: old newsroom days, and in Jersey, I believe it was
Speaker 1: where you were up against deadline and you just you
Speaker 1: needed to plug in a landline into a phone line
Speaker 1: so you could send it to your editor in time.
Speaker 1: I mean, just bring back those memories. You're like, I
Speaker 1: gotta beat Glover on this story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was the competition of the of the dial
Speaker 6: up days.
Speaker 5: It doesn't quite go back.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 5: I probably dialed up a few times on that gig Listen.
Speaker 6: Back then, the deadline was like a you know, we'll
Speaker 6: check in at three fifty nine and nothing.
Speaker 7: Okay, good thought, so see you guys later.
Speaker 5: You know. Now it's sort of a thing.
Speaker 6: The one year I think really spoiled it for for
Speaker 6: a lot of other years. The year where Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 6: and Dwayne Brown, there's another it all happened on that
Speaker 6: last day, Like that year kind of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 5: Since then, we've had some action.
Speaker 6: I don't know that it's quite lived up to that
Speaker 6: one year, which is twenty seventeen if I'm not mistaken, but.
Speaker 1: We're last year was pretty good. Mike Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you got CMC on the move, for instance, and you've
Speaker 1: been covering the league for a long time. Why do
Speaker 1: you think we've seen the deadline shift into a more
Speaker 1: active place. Is it a copycat league? Like right down
Speaker 1: to something like this ultimately a.
Speaker 6: Little bit, and I think you've got a new generation
Speaker 6: of GM. In a lot of times, it's a younger
Speaker 6: generation of GM that's willing to part with picks to
Speaker 6: make moves. The traditionalists like to hold on to their
Speaker 6: picks and their compics kind of build their draft through
Speaker 6: that and get as much draft capital as you possibly can.
Speaker 6: Some of these young guys are willing to take this
Speaker 6: shot here. I always thought it was made more sense
Speaker 6: to you your draft capital now rather than have because
Speaker 6: if you've got a guy now and you keep them.
Speaker 5: Let's use Sakwon.
Speaker 6: Barkley as an example, Right, you keep Sakuon Barkley, you
Speaker 6: go through this year, he goes into the offseason, he
Speaker 6: signs in the spring of twenty twenty four. You're not
Speaker 6: using that pick that you're gonna get for him, that
Speaker 6: compick until April twenty twenty five. Whereas, yeah, maybe you're
Speaker 6: gonna get a little less potentially for a guy right now,
Speaker 6: but at least it's now part of that capital that
Speaker 6: you have immediately, or if it's a player for player
Speaker 6: or something like that.
Speaker 5: I've always thought that the weight for the.
Speaker 6: Satisfaction why do that when you can get something a
Speaker 6: little sooner.
Speaker 2: I wrote an article, I think it was the Eagles
Speaker 2: Patriots Super Bowl, noting that those two teams had made
Speaker 2: more trades than any teams in the NFL that decade.
Speaker 2: And it's like it is a bit of a copycat league.
Speaker 2: It's worked like teams. You can only acquire players in
Speaker 2: a certain amount of ways. Free agency, the draft and trades,
Speaker 2: and free agency gets worse and worse every year, So
Speaker 2: I think people are willing to do it. They did
Speaker 2: it with McCaffrey last year. You mentioned Saquon let's go there,
Speaker 2: he's not getting traded. We hear, like, what is that
Speaker 2: dance like?
Speaker 1: There? It's a little confusing. And I know that the
Speaker 1: Giants won yesterday.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of one win teams that won, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gonna hurt the market at all.
Speaker 2: But do you think guys like adri Jackson is on
Speaker 2: my free agency list, Leonard Williams is on it?
Speaker 1: Those guys seem like logical trade candidates.
Speaker 6: Paris Campbell a guy that they signed and it certainly
Speaker 6: expected more of now. He had a lot of incentives
Speaker 6: built into his contract that he had to earn on
Speaker 6: that one year deal. So that's a guy that we
Speaker 6: could see on the move. Definitely would be available if
Speaker 6: the team came with a proper compensation. Not sure that
Speaker 6: that's gonna happen. But go back to Saquon. Who is
Speaker 6: your original question here?
Speaker 7: It is confusing.
Speaker 6: It's equal parts confusing and fascinating to me the way
Speaker 6: that the Giants have handled the Saquon Barkley thing, because
Speaker 6: they were not that far away on a long term
Speaker 6: deal when it came time to do the deadline, or
Speaker 6: it came time for the deadline to do a long
Speaker 6: term deal with Saquon Barkley back in July, to the
Speaker 6: point where I knew how close they were with a
Speaker 6: day and a half to go, I want to say,
Speaker 6: and I said, Okay, that's the kind of gap that's bridged.
Speaker 6: This deal is getting done, and it never did. The
Speaker 6: Giants didn't budge. And then after that, I said to myself, Okay, well,
Speaker 6: Takuon Barkley's gonna play out twenty twenty three season and
Speaker 6: then he's done as a Giant. And I got this
Speaker 6: indication that we would love to have him around and
Speaker 6: we're gonna make another run at this after the season
Speaker 6: and we feel like we can get a long term
Speaker 6: deal done. I was like, you guys were right at
Speaker 6: the doorstep, and now you're gonna do that.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: So now we get up to the trade deadline. Season
Speaker 6: hasn't started the way that we thought it might for
Speaker 6: the Giants. Maybe they're gonna sell off Saquon Barkley, and the.
Speaker 5: Reporters asked him about it.
Speaker 6: He said, I don't want to be traded, and I
Speaker 6: did a little digging last week and was told that
Speaker 6: they basically told him, you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 5: We're keeping you.
Speaker 6: We still would love It's like all this talk of
Speaker 6: we'd love for you to be around, it's not a
Speaker 6: regime that A drafted him or b would ever use
Speaker 6: a pick that high to draft a running back. So
Speaker 6: there's kind of been a couple of times where you're like,
Speaker 6: all right, here, they're out to get out for Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 6: and yet they keep kind of digging in and saying, no,
Speaker 6: we'd love to have you around for luck. So listen,
Speaker 6: it's gonna come to a head this offseason either way.
Speaker 6: But to sit here two weeks ahead of the deadline
Speaker 6: before that two game stretch that really was going to
Speaker 6: determine whether they were buyers or sellers.
Speaker 5: Which a lot of teams are in right now. I mean,
Speaker 5: if teams have told.
Speaker 6: Other teams, yeah, we understand that you've have some interest
Speaker 6: in maybe some of our players. Check back in a
Speaker 6: couple of weeks. We want to see where we are.
Speaker 6: Because there's not a great spread between the bottom of
Speaker 6: the conference in both conferences, between the bottom and a
Speaker 6: playoff spot, so a lot of teams were in waiting mode.
Speaker 5: The Giants are one of them.
Speaker 1: It's a huge middle classes, as you're saying. And I
Speaker 1: think one thing that's fascinating about this, Sessdog is how
Speaker 1: the trade deadline is Tuesday thirty. First, you got football
Speaker 1: on Sunday, and it's like that's where it's gonna get
Speaker 1: really interesting. So let's say the Giants, and this wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the worst outcome, get wiped by the Jets on Sunday.
Speaker 1: They have a very quick turnaround now to decide them
Speaker 1: amongst other teams are gonna have bad Sundays? Right? Is
Speaker 1: it time to be sellers as opposed to buyers?
Speaker 3: I just I wonder I know what the Giants, for instance,
Speaker 3: the coach and front office married at the hip. Like
Speaker 3: they're very they're going to see things a similar way.
Speaker 3: But it's kind of tough to time to tell your
Speaker 3: coaching staff we're gonna move someone like Saquon Barkley, We're
Speaker 3: gonna move X, Y and Z.
Speaker 4: I would like to ask a question about the Eagles.
Speaker 3: So I know you were with the Eagles as recently
Speaker 3: as last night. To Greg's point, Howie Roseman's always been
Speaker 3: super active, aggressive, and they're out there one of those teams,
Speaker 3: It's like, yes, absolutely, they're on the doorway of another
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. Like Dave got secondary injuries all over the place.
Speaker 3: Do you have you heard anything about them doing what
Speaker 3: they normally do, which is go out and add a
Speaker 3: couple guys to round out that roster.
Speaker 6: While they're doing what they normally do and that they
Speaker 6: knows around, they're always in on stuff. How we there's
Speaker 6: not a call that he's afraid to make because he
Speaker 6: does investigate everything and sometimes it results in the kind
Speaker 6: of information that.
Speaker 5: Leads to a deal.
Speaker 6: And he's maybe ahead of some other teams because he's
Speaker 6: willing to have those conversations. I'm not saying he's some
Speaker 6: kind of genius. It's just that's his method and he's
Speaker 6: always going to go that way. So, yeah, they have been,
Speaker 6: and I know that they've had conversations about guys in
Speaker 6: the secondary who might be available, who might not be available.
Speaker 6: They don't tend to spend a lot of money at
Speaker 6: the safety position. That's why they were they were connected.
Speaker 6: The Buddha baker doesn't make sense because you have to
Speaker 6: trade for him and give him top dollars. Yeah, which
Speaker 6: which would be sort of more of a rental. I
Speaker 6: mean they've been connected as somebody connected than the Kyle Dugger.
Speaker 5: That would be a guy that they'd have to pay.
Speaker 6: I mean, they've paid safeties, but it's usually kind of
Speaker 6: like that one step down kind of deal.
Speaker 7: It's not that top of the.
Speaker 5: Market type deal.
Speaker 6: And Kyle Dugger, from my understanding, is looking for big
Speaker 6: money from the Patriots or from anybody who would be
Speaker 6: his next team. Uh, So they've been in some conversations.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised if if they make some kind
Speaker 6: of addition. I just I don't I don't think it's
Speaker 6: a splash thing because they they've certainly spent their money
Speaker 6: in the second they're at the cornerback position to bring
Speaker 6: back both Darius Slay, who had a big play against
Speaker 6: the Dolphins, as wells James Brebray.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm hanging up the phone if Roseman calls
Speaker 1: me in.
Speaker 2: This worke advantage of the vacuum that is in the
Speaker 2: marketplace because the GM app has not been ted. Dan
Speaker 2: has been trying to say, overdue DM app where people,
Speaker 2: you know, they social media app where you can post
Speaker 2: your play by this and everyone can see it in the.
Speaker 1: Right who can beat this? And how many times? I mean,
Speaker 1: how many times is the return on a trade underwhelming?
Speaker 1: If he just would have truly gave someone else one
Speaker 1: last chance on the open market of the information super Highway.
Speaker 1: And enough of that, Mike, Hey, how about the Vikings.
Speaker 1: So as we tape this, they got the Niners on
Speaker 1: Monday night and who knows, maybe Cousins goes off without
Speaker 1: Jefferson and they have a huge game and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, in a wide open NFC playoff picture, they're
Speaker 1: believing in themselves. Well, we thought about the Browns last week.
Speaker 1: With the Niners, you never know, but let's focus on
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, which were told or we've heard reported even
Speaker 1: though his contract is coming up here and they made
Speaker 1: a very purposeful decision to let this year play out.
Speaker 1: That he's not going to accept the trade. However, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. And then the other big name and
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, Daniel Hunter, who
Speaker 1: is one of the leading sac artists in the league.
Speaker 1: That probably, I would imagine is far more likely. But
Speaker 1: let's start with Cousins. Any chance, any chance at all.
Speaker 1: I would love it, we would all love from a
Speaker 1: storyline perspective. But could he be moved? How about that Cleveland?
Speaker 1: Come on, I.
Speaker 6: Find it the Cleveland thing is whole. The whole Cleveland
Speaker 6: thing is weird, by the way. I'll get to that
Speaker 6: in a second. I find it very very much a
Speaker 6: long shot for that to happen. The hardest part with
Speaker 6: a quarterback.
Speaker 5: All right, let's.
Speaker 6: Say like the excess and O is the playbook, all
Speaker 6: that stuff, like he's got to get used to that
Speaker 6: and acclimated and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: Okay, great, But.
Speaker 6: Then there's also the I mean, how many times do
Speaker 6: we talk about it? In April and May and June,
Speaker 6: this guy's holding a passing camp with his targets because
Speaker 6: they're gonna work at the facility at OTA's and then
Speaker 6: they're gonna work by themselves of it because they gotta
Speaker 6: get that timing down.
Speaker 5: They gotta get that rhythm, that chemistry.
Speaker 6: Like that's the other part of a quarterback coming in
Speaker 6: the middle of the season, because you're really not getting
Speaker 6: those full speed reps during end season practices the way
Speaker 6: that you would, let's say during training camp when you're
Speaker 6: kind of going all out because you don't have a
Speaker 6: game coming up in a couple of days. So that's
Speaker 6: what just makes it so difficult to trade for a
Speaker 6: quarterback on top of all the financial stuff that would
Speaker 6: come on top of that, as well as the compensation
Speaker 6: that you have to get back for guys. So I
Speaker 6: find it very hard to believe that that Cousins is.
Speaker 5: Going to be on the move here.
Speaker 6: Daniel Huntery, Yeah, I think that that's a possibility, And
Speaker 6: these sides before the season came to an agreement to
Speaker 6: just get him back on the field and in the fold.
Speaker 6: So now it's at the point where an edge rusher,
Speaker 6: and we saw it with Bradley Chubb last year, it's
Speaker 6: a lot easier to take that guy and kind of
Speaker 6: plug him in and let.
Speaker 5: Him do his own thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a scheme upfront everything you're working with,
Speaker 6: but in a lot of ways, he can kind of
Speaker 6: just do what he does and he doesn't need a
Speaker 6: lot of time to get acclimated with his teammates.
Speaker 1: Well, he's also thirty years old.
Speaker 2: He's one of the best addressers right now, so he'd
Speaker 2: give a team a boost, kind of like von Miller
Speaker 2: when he was traded a few years ago. But the
Speaker 2: Vikings clearly didn't want to meet his price or he
Speaker 2: would be signed long term. And he has a no
Speaker 2: trade clause as part of that no tag clause as
Speaker 2: part of that contract rather, so it's like that that
Speaker 2: really spells a you know, QUESSI is looking at this
Speaker 2: their GM, like, why would I not get a second
Speaker 2: round type of pick or something good? Brian Burns was
Speaker 2: offered like a lot of stuff a year ago. Actually,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna stick with past rush. Do you
Speaker 2: think Burns? Chase Young is another name. I feel like
Speaker 2: this just would like logically make sense because he's having
Speaker 2: a nice season, But I don't see him getting resigned
Speaker 2: there because Montes Sweat is also a free agent, which.
Speaker 6: I believe that they at least had exploratory discussions with Sweat.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that they haven't had him with with
Speaker 6: Chase Young, but my understanding is they've at least set
Speaker 6: the table for Montese Sweat there.
Speaker 7: It's hard.
Speaker 6: I mean, when you draft that many guys up front
Speaker 6: and they've done a really good job. I think they've
Speaker 6: probably signed more already than I thought they were gonna sign,
Speaker 6: with being able to get Jonathan Allen.
Speaker 5: Extended Duran Pain extended.
Speaker 6: When I you've got these two edge guys that you
Speaker 6: got to make a decision on, and you know, they
Speaker 6: didn't give Young the fifth year option, and they said, well,
Speaker 6: that'll be kind of a motivational thing, kind of, you know,
Speaker 6: get him to prove that we can make the long
Speaker 6: term commitment to you, which is what you say, but
Speaker 6: I think it was in large part because he's had
Speaker 6: an injury history, and do we really want to fully
Speaker 6: guarantee that money to this guy. We could always franchise
Speaker 6: tag him if we have to, So I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, again, they're part of that cluster of teams
Speaker 6: that is still in the mix. No matter how disappointed
Speaker 6: you could be when you lose to the Chicago Bears
Speaker 6: at home on a Thursday night a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 6: and then drop a game to the Giants that was
Speaker 6: certainly went up all the way that the Giants let
Speaker 6: them hang around in that one. So you got to
Speaker 6: make a decision do you want to be kind of
Speaker 6: at the back end of that. To me, if I'm
Speaker 6: the Commanders, you've got a new owner in there, which
Speaker 6: is always the catalyst for cleaning house, So it's not
Speaker 6: like you're saving up anything for the future, like win
Speaker 6: now and do what you have to do. So to me,
Speaker 6: if I'm the Commanders, I hold on to Chase Young.
Speaker 6: We'll see as we get closer to the deadline.
Speaker 3: What about a team like the Titans, who are you know,
Speaker 3: in a division where if you got on a hot streak,
Speaker 3: you're alive potentially, But they feel kind of like clinging
Speaker 3: to the past because I think there were whispers in
Speaker 3: the offseason that someone like Ryan Tannehill might fit in
Speaker 3: Atlanta that you know, he's hurt right now. But then
Speaker 3: Dereck Henry type figure, It's like, is Derrick Henry part
Speaker 3: of the future in Tennessee or do you think they
Speaker 3: would be potential sellers? If someone dialed up and said,
Speaker 3: we'd like to act Dereck Henry to our potential Super
Speaker 3: Bowl roster.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's lock in on Henry because I think that
Speaker 6: that's certainly the most interesting storyline there.
Speaker 5: It's I think you still got enough left.
Speaker 6: You're getting to the point of the season where you
Speaker 6: want to run the ball. You want to run the
Speaker 6: ball physically. This is a guy that could do with
Speaker 6: running backs also a position.
Speaker 5: And this is why rookies are show successful. You come
Speaker 5: into the NFL.
Speaker 6: Yes, their scheme again, I understand that, but it's also
Speaker 6: see the hole, find the hole, hit the hole. That's
Speaker 6: why you can acclimate as a rookie quickly. As a
Speaker 6: veteran changing teams, you're certainly capable of doing that as well.
Speaker 6: I would absolutely if I'm a team looking for a
Speaker 6: physical presence, a physical runner down the stretch, would certainly
Speaker 6: look at Derrick Henry as the possibility.
Speaker 5: If I was a GM, and.
Speaker 6: If it cost me a little more than I'm comfortable
Speaker 6: giving up, I'm fine with it because that is a
Speaker 6: message to your locker room, your offensive line, and certainly
Speaker 6: the defense they're gonna have to tackle that guy because
Speaker 6: he's still to me, a punishing, powerful runner.
Speaker 5: I've seen that on display this year.
Speaker 1: And Henry, I'm just looking at his financial situation. This
Speaker 1: is the last year of guaranteed money on his deal
Speaker 1: as well, right, so that makes it even easier.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sounds right.
Speaker 2: The Kevin Byerd was another guy that they sort of
Speaker 2: had a contract stuff with. Like it is tough though,
Speaker 2: if you're a Titans team. It's the tricky part, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know who the sellers are. Do you have
Speaker 2: any any teams kind of just off the top of
Speaker 2: your head that you think are looking for anything specifically
Speaker 2: or buyers out there in general.
Speaker 5: I go right to.
Speaker 6: Denver and sorry, one of you guys said it just
Speaker 6: a couple of minutes ago, about you tell your coaching
Speaker 6: staff that you're taking talent away. I think in the
Speaker 6: case of the Broncos with Sean Payton, he's okay with
Speaker 6: setting this up for the long haul, and he spent
Speaker 6: this season, or at least the early part of the season.
Speaker 6: I think trying to figure out whore is, Guys, which
Speaker 6: piece is fit moving forward. Jerry Judy is the obvious
Speaker 6: one that we've continued to track here. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of untapped potential there. We've seen it at times. I
Speaker 6: thought he really played well down the stretch in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty two. I thought that that was going to be
Speaker 6: the point at which he turns the corner and carries
Speaker 6: that forward to this year, especially with Sean Payton, uh
Speaker 6: a good offensive mind coming in as the head coach.
Speaker 6: I'm very disappointed in the production for Jerry. I shouldn't
Speaker 6: stay disappointed.
Speaker 5: I'm not his dad.
Speaker 1: That's Steve certainly good buddy, Steve. That's yeah, Steve.
Speaker 5: Steve is disciplined by the way Steve again.
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, I was just going to say that I
Speaker 1: don't know if you would caught win with my parallel
Speaker 1: that I drew from that infamous night on Thursday Night
Speaker 1: of Football where I kind of said you reminded me
Speaker 1: of a Mike Myers next to Kanye during the Katrina telethon.
Speaker 6: I heard that one a couple of times. I've also
Speaker 6: been I've also.
Speaker 1: Yeah, since then, I've als met I thought I was original.
Speaker 5: That was good, No, not, while you're always original.
Speaker 6: I've also heard meeting gene Oakerland and I was kind
Speaker 6: of standing there and pretending to be which which I
Speaker 6: feel like a lot of times is what I do.
Speaker 1: That's bald you know though, that's you know people, it's baldness.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not fair, it's pseudo serious journalists, you know that,
Speaker 6: that kind of thing. And then I did it again
Speaker 6: the other day when when Pella Sero had his unfortunate
Speaker 6: slip of the tongue. Yeah, and trying to say that
Speaker 6: Justin Tucker raged a sixty yard field goal, which we
Speaker 6: totally blew it.
Speaker 5: We just did our insider show on Monday.
Speaker 6: The Ravens won thirty eight to six, five touchdowns, one
Speaker 6: field goal, and as the show was wrapping up, I
Speaker 6: said to Andrew Groover, our producer, I was like, why
Speaker 6: did we not like we should have just run Justin
Speaker 6: Tucker's field goal and just been like, and here's Justin Tucker.
Speaker 5: I agno idea how long it was, here's Justin Tucker.
Speaker 7: Hear forty three yard field goal or whatever.
Speaker 5: It wound up being. We totally was.
Speaker 1: I was told I wasn't allowed to play that, which
Speaker 1: annoyed me because I'm really looking to escalate a potential
Speaker 1: feud with a pel Rais and I feel like that
Speaker 1: would have taken it up a notch. Some in house
Speaker 1: certainly heat speaking of that real quick, no more, we
Speaker 1: don't want it too far away. But what's it like
Speaker 1: doing that show? Because pel Raiser and Ian clearly hate
Speaker 1: each other, and you know, they both want to be
Speaker 1: the King of the Mount and then you're once again,
Speaker 1: uh you know, Mike Myerst, I'll just call in the
Speaker 1: middle of like this like typhoon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of float right, you know, like I'm
Speaker 6: okay kind of sneaking in there and having a couple
Speaker 6: of scoops and then getting out and you know, going doing.
Speaker 5: Whatever else I do with Steve Smith and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: Like I'm more of the five tool player, right. These
Speaker 6: guys they're power hitters. They're they're swinging for the fences
Speaker 6: every time, so that that can lead to some friction.
Speaker 7: As a matter of fact, I can tell the full story.
Speaker 6: Uh, Tom had a Nick Bolton uh dislocated wrist scoop today.
Speaker 6: He's gonna be out two months. He needs surgery. And
Speaker 6: he gave he gave me in the kind of okie
Speaker 6: doke about that because we were talking about injuries and
Speaker 6: we were we were going through the list of injuries
Speaker 6: going into that show, and they had put Nick Bolton
Speaker 6: on the A list, like we gotta hit Nick Bolton,
Speaker 6: and was like, like Nick Bolton's a really good player,
Speaker 6: but like linebacker versus quarterback, skill position guy, like we
Speaker 6: should bump him down or whatever. And then after the
Speaker 6: show was over, like he had the Nick Bolton map
Speaker 6: for two and Ian's like, so you downplay his importance
Speaker 6: not from a football standpoint, from a sexy skill position because.
Speaker 7: That's what sells when it comes to injuries and stuff.
Speaker 6: And then you go out and you steal the scoop there,
Speaker 6: like he lulled Ian the sleep, So I I gotta
Speaker 6: go back and check. Ian said he wasn't going to
Speaker 6: retweet it out of protest, which.
Speaker 2: Is this is one of the biggest scoops the ATM
Speaker 2: media insider Dan Hansen says.
Speaker 1: That sounds incredibly unhealthy and I love it in terms
Speaker 1: of dynamic. Yeah, Mike, let's get back on track though.
Speaker 1: Where were we we were talking? Oh yeah, so you're
Speaker 1: talking Judy the Broncos, maybe Courtland Sutton in the mix,
Speaker 1: Maybe all these names that feelings we've been hearing for years,
Speaker 1: that these guys have been on the block, doesn't finally
Speaker 1: happen this week?
Speaker 6: If the Broncos don't make at least one move, one
Speaker 6: sizeable significant move before absolutely before you know they've They've
Speaker 6: given up draft capital in the last couple of years
Speaker 6: for Russell Wilson, so a lot of times restock in
Speaker 6: the cupboard in any way you can and kind of
Speaker 6: get in some of that back with this is the
Speaker 6: regime that you know wasn't I mean Peyton wasn't a
Speaker 6: part of that.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: I If they don't make a move here, particularly because
Speaker 6: some of these pieces don't seem to fit for whatever
Speaker 6: reason with Sean Payton and he's setting himself up for
Speaker 6: the long haul, I'd be absolutely flored if they don't
Speaker 6: make a move and they've sold it like well, we're
Speaker 6: not looking to sell anybody, but anybody can call us.
Speaker 6: My understanding and it's been told to me by several gms,
Speaker 6: is the Broncos kind of said like here's the menu,
Speaker 6: like you know, let us know what you want and.
Speaker 1: Make its not on that menu, though, is he?
Speaker 6: I That would floor me, Like I've heard there's the
Speaker 6: cornerstone pieces.
Speaker 2: I've like heard other like fan base even beat reporters
Speaker 2: being like, hey, we should just offer a second for
Speaker 2: Patrick's certain. It's like, yeah, you think you should like
Speaker 2: the best young cornerback in the league is just gonna
Speaker 2: be available for a second round pick. And it's like,
Speaker 2: I think that, I think that's a switchfle thinging, but
Speaker 2: you never know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it would absolutely floor me because then we talk, well, yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: I understand that.
Speaker 1: First.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well you're gonna get this uh draft capital back,
Speaker 6: and then what are you gonna do with it?
Speaker 5: You're gonna go out there.
Speaker 6: It reminds me of the Khalil Mack trade when the
Speaker 6: Raiders traded Khalil Mack and then John Gruden was like, well,
Speaker 6: you don't just find Khalil max on trees.
Speaker 5: We had to go out and find.
Speaker 1: What you had one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna trade this stuff away, then you gonna
Speaker 6: go get another one.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna let you go now because you're
Speaker 1: a very busy man. And of course check him out
Speaker 1: on the Insiders and he's all over NFL network. Is
Speaker 1: there one kind of big name out there and all
Speaker 1: pro type guy that we.
Speaker 3: Had the Odell Beckham story, remember before anyone else, Once
Speaker 3: upon a time.
Speaker 1: Is there a star out the march? You're hearing some
Speaker 1: whispers or just anything a little rumbling beneath the surface
Speaker 1: that could be in play. I don't want to put
Speaker 1: you on the spot here.
Speaker 6: And well, but you're asking the question I've heard from
Speaker 6: multiple GM, which is it seems kind of quiet right now,
Speaker 6: and they're all afraid that they're they're missing something. So
Speaker 6: I've kind of heard that, like, is there's anything, Is
Speaker 6: there there something missing here? Like I don't want to
Speaker 6: miss an opportunity, They're so scared of thing stuff go
Speaker 6: down and be reported, and.
Speaker 1: It's like you need the GM, Yeah, the GM, the GM,
Speaker 1: So I need guys donloaded. All right, Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thanks Mike.
Speaker 5: I would never trade you.
Speaker 1: Right back at you, buddy, all right, stay right there,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back to close things out. All right,
Speaker 1: we're back. Always great talking to Mike. Uh, he's a
Speaker 1: good dude. And who having the scenes at the Insiders.
Speaker 3: That's something that try not surprise the trade there as well,
Speaker 3: in the least that there's some Dan is.
Speaker 2: Way more excited about that. I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: It was that was just there is something Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Does it feel like a quiet? It does feel quiet.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know. Is it one of those
Speaker 3: things the names were like, are we going to get
Speaker 3: We didn't seek see them coming.
Speaker 1: There's two ways to look at it. It's one of
Speaker 1: those things like it's quiet, it's almost too quiet, right,
Speaker 1: But I think that was interesting what Mike said right
Speaker 1: at the end there, which was if and I'm sure
Speaker 1: this happens all the time, like GMS in front office
Speaker 1: people are calling the insiders and they're like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: hearing anything because they don't want to miss out. But
Speaker 1: you imagine there's gonna be at least one you with
Speaker 1: a seismic move and just figuring out who it does.
Speaker 1: I keep I keep coming back to DeVante Adams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to where the Raiders are, which
Speaker 1: it just seems they're on the doorstep of a almost
Speaker 1: necessary rebuild. And he's a guy that's already spoken out
Speaker 1: that he needs the ball more. It's a team going nowhere.
Speaker 1: He's a guy I think he's thirty years old at
Speaker 1: this point. He is someone that makes so much sense
Speaker 1: as a final piece. He's a name that when I
Speaker 1: think about what would not surprise me, Saquon also would
Speaker 1: not surprise me the way and there's interesting that they're
Speaker 1: obviously and I know that Ti and Mas like it's, uh,
Speaker 1: the Maras are more the personnel side and the Tishes
Speaker 1: are more of the business side. But it also sounds
Speaker 1: like there's some heads budding in that building.
Speaker 2: Wonder when when Mike says that the whole SEC one
Speaker 2: thing is confusing to me, that's like, well, there's the
Speaker 2: front office and the coach and then ownership, and that's when.
Speaker 3: Particularly with that team with the Giants, But I won't
Speaker 3: with Adams. I feel like players are more empowered obviously
Speaker 3: than ever before by leaps and bounds, and Adams has
Speaker 3: squawked in the off season.
Speaker 4: He's squawked a couple of weeks ago, and it's like there.
Speaker 3: Is time, if you're a displeased player in your situation,
Speaker 3: to raise a little bit of cane between now and
Speaker 3: the deadline where maybe it's like whatever the Raiders have
Speaker 3: said about trading DeVante Adams, what it gets difficult enough
Speaker 3: where it's like you.
Speaker 2: Need to listen and here's what Aams done in a
Speaker 2: way that NBA players have for instance, James Harden, oh
Speaker 2: what he's doing right now, but.
Speaker 4: It would be heading towards that closer to that than
Speaker 4: a way.
Speaker 2: And the Raiders did leak out, assuming it was from
Speaker 2: their end through ESPN this weekend that they they've told
Speaker 2: teams they aren't trading devontamers, or maybe it was the
Speaker 2: other teams that said it. Like some people just like
Speaker 2: but things could change. I think so much.
Speaker 1: Ryan Hooyer will make you change. He is a guy
Speaker 1: that will fetch at least the first round pick. I
Speaker 1: know we always seem to tend to overrate these trade
Speaker 1: scenarios and then the what comes back isn't nearly as large,
Speaker 1: leading to talk about a GM app. But I think
Speaker 1: Adams is an example of that that. I think they
Speaker 1: could get a lot of future uh draft capital a
Speaker 1: team that needs it, that needs to kind of figure
Speaker 1: out what they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made a list and there's a lot of names,
Speaker 2: but I'll give us some name.
Speaker 1: Salad hit us.
Speaker 2: The problem is those teams that won yesterday, those four
Speaker 2: to one win teams I think could potentially take You know,
Speaker 2: are the Patriots really going to be sellers?
Speaker 1: I just why does?
Speaker 2: But you know what I get it? Like you see
Speaker 2: them doing that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Why why?
Speaker 3: Because you've gone from look you don't want to give
Speaker 3: up or send the messages are giving up. But if
Speaker 3: you go from one win to two and depending on
Speaker 3: who you beat and what happened, like, why suddenly are
Speaker 3: we locking down the friends?
Speaker 2: This is why you got to plash the trade deadline back.
Speaker 2: I say this every year, Just push it two weeks back.
Speaker 2: It's so early that it's almost impossible, uh to be
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 1: But here's some name.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Chase Young is is a really
Speaker 2: interesting He's quietly played really well this.
Speaker 1: He was great against the Giants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to see Jalen Johnson is your number
Speaker 2: one coverage graded quarterback or cornerback. Sorry for the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2: He's had a very up and down career, like a
Speaker 2: lot of young cornerbacks like his good is really good. Uh,
Speaker 2: they're going nowhere. I don't know if they're gonna sign
Speaker 2: sign him long term. So he's someone I think he'd
Speaker 2: be like, Wow, they got a two for Jalen Johnson.
Speaker 2: But it's like Jalen Johnson's worth more than Chase Claypool
Speaker 2: was a year ago. Dante Jackson is.
Speaker 1: Old that thought, we have a trade breaking.
Speaker 2: News, but real perfect better No Jalen Johnson, Well, that
Speaker 2: would be crazy.
Speaker 1: I would feel like an amazing oh and very Rappa board.
Speaker 1: You could tell by the lack of characters. He's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta get this out before. According to a source,
Speaker 1: the Eagles are trading for Kevin by R. Did he
Speaker 1: come up today? I just I just I said by it.
Speaker 2: I just sort of jammed it into the Titans question.
Speaker 2: I said, well, Byered was a guy they sort of
Speaker 2: had contract issues with in the off season.
Speaker 1: He wanted, how about that a raise? And then he
Speaker 1: got a pay cut. On topic, the veteran safety to
Speaker 1: a Eagles team. That and we brought up the Eagles
Speaker 1: as well, Yeah, that has been kind of besieged by
Speaker 1: injuries in their secondary and needed some help in that regard.
Speaker 1: So you get you got an instant potential difference maker there.
Speaker 1: And again I say, never trade, never trade with the Eagles, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Mike jeez, you know, discover that information just as
Speaker 3: we did and done and yeah, he you.
Speaker 1: Know what he discovered. He was like, I could have
Speaker 1: had that if I weren't talking to the bozo.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's good.
Speaker 2: That's not a good he'd just say, and there goes
Speaker 2: how he's dB move. I guess yes, our our Eagles
Speaker 2: defensive back conversation was there. But that that makes sense
Speaker 2: because I don't think they're going to pay him. He's
Speaker 2: just along for the ride. He's in the last year
Speaker 2: of his contract. He's a really smart, good player. Oh
Speaker 2: I'm wrong there. I am glad I checked this out.
Speaker 2: He is not in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 2: I was confused because they did try to redo it.
Speaker 2: I think they actually got him. They asked him to
Speaker 2: take a pay cut and he said no, and they
Speaker 2: did the rare move of like.
Speaker 1: Oh, actually, you call their bluff. We're not going to
Speaker 1: cut you. We like you. And they kept him.
Speaker 2: But it spoke to something uncomfortable in that relationship. But
Speaker 2: unless the Eagles feel like it, they can keep him
Speaker 2: under salary next year for about thirteen million dollars. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a lot for a safety, but it's not outrageous.
Speaker 1: And you know, justin Graver and all the other Titans fans,
Speaker 1: that's a clear signal that they are sellers. And another
Speaker 1: thing to point to you now that is Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: on the move and whoever else could be on the
Speaker 1: move but Henry again, and that was interesting also that
Speaker 1: Mike g said, Okay, that's the name to center on both.
Speaker 1: I think because it's interesting to talk about and because
Speaker 1: it makes so much sense. And what he said about
Speaker 1: how running backs can hit the ground running with a
Speaker 1: new team because the scheme isn't you know, it's not
Speaker 1: team dependent as much very interesting. I would imagine he's
Speaker 1: gone now. I think he's gonna But I'm trying to think, like,
Speaker 1: who would trade for the.
Speaker 4: Team I thought in the offseason would have fit.
Speaker 3: Would have been the Bills, but they James Cook's been
Speaker 3: very good, so maybe not necessary.
Speaker 1: How oft the Bucks. I guess I'm just thinking about
Speaker 1: teams who could see themselves use Baltimore.
Speaker 2: They could use it running back Baltimore. To me, he
Speaker 2: just seems like someone that they would trade for. And
Speaker 2: I like Gus Edwards, but I think they want to
Speaker 2: run the ball a lot. They they just are the
Speaker 2: home for wayward veterans that it's like, oh, Kyle van Noy, like,
Speaker 2: come along and have your best season in five years
Speaker 2: out of nowhere in Gadavian Clowney and they're just like
Speaker 2: good at getting those guys and Henry.
Speaker 3: What if the Spicy Texans continue to win and trade
Speaker 3: it for Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: Would they trade? They wouldn't?
Speaker 2: I feel like in the division I do not is
Speaker 2: a in a seller I call divish seller mode. Plus
Speaker 2: I have Damian Pearson my fantasy really waiting for that
Speaker 2: to work out. Oh you should have led with that
Speaker 2: Brian Burns. Yes, I mean he's a big time player.
Speaker 2: He's a free agent. The Panthers are zero and six,
Speaker 2: so I'm like, who's definitely could be a seller?
Speaker 1: You would think the Panthers.
Speaker 2: We actually heard that they're looking for a wide receiver,
Speaker 2: which is interesting, but I think that would make me
Speaker 2: be more of a Calvin Ridley type of situation. I
Speaker 2: know really was suspended, so that was unique. But it's like,
Speaker 2: is there someone out there that we could trade for and.
Speaker 1: Then sign long term.
Speaker 2: Darnall Mooney to me is a NFL receiver.
Speaker 1: He he fits well, chucks a box well.
Speaker 2: What I mean is by that is like darnohman, who's
Speaker 2: not gonna get everyone excited. We're not going to get
Speaker 2: the emergency podcasts for him. But he could absolutely be in
Speaker 2: your top three receivers on a very good passing offense,
Speaker 2: and like so many teams need guys like that. He's
Speaker 2: a deep threat that I think would be worth going on.
Speaker 4: What about someone like Carl Lawson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they could dump him for Yeah, he'll
Speaker 1: be most likely on the move as well. There's so
Speaker 1: many names, so Dalvin Cook from the Jets as well.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they try to unload him because he
Speaker 1: certainly has not established himself here. By the way, some
Speaker 1: trade terms, the Titans get back a player safety, Terrell Edmunds,
Speaker 1: and a fifth and sixth rounder. Something tells me that
Speaker 1: that's not exactly what Titans fans are hoping for there,
Speaker 1: So basically two Day three draft picks and Edmunds, who's
Speaker 1: a downgrade from Bayern.
Speaker 2: So that's too bad because Edmunds did great work on
Speaker 2: Mike last week at the Philadelphia Phillies game. It was
Speaker 2: kind of like a viral. Oh right, I think it
Speaker 2: was him and might have been DeAndre Swift. I forget
Speaker 2: what it was. And then he's traded. You know, who's
Speaker 2: just getting used to the It's a.
Speaker 1: Tough thing being a professional athlete. You know what I
Speaker 1: saw in the athletic too, which it just feels it.
Speaker 2: I know it was like a random column, but it's
Speaker 2: like a Browns columnists saying the Browns really need to
Speaker 2: trade for Jacoby Brissette back, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna happen, because why would Washington
Speaker 2: feel like doing that? And like, why would the Browns
Speaker 2: give up anything that would make it worth it for Washington?
Speaker 2: Is more my point, like why do it unless you're
Speaker 2: getting like a third or fourth and that just seems
Speaker 2: a little.
Speaker 3: They also let Josh Dobbs go, So the Browns have
Speaker 3: done a somewhat mysterious job right letting backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: The themis could potentially be available if someone needed a quarterback,
Speaker 2: but I think the Jets are now out of that market.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine trading Jamis Winston in the middle of
Speaker 1: the season and then saying, here's the playbook, and now
Speaker 1: be our starting quarterback. Good luck?
Speaker 2: Well, like if a team good luck to you, I
Speaker 2: don't know who it would be. The Browns, I suppose,
Speaker 2: are the best examples, just like we're not sure if
Speaker 2: our quarterback is gonna be healthy, and we're not really
Speaker 2: sure about PJ.
Speaker 1: Walker bringing us to the playoffs one two in a row.
Speaker 4: I mean, you like Deshaun Watson in theorious start next.
Speaker 1: Week there in backup play, kind of in purgatory. All right,
Speaker 1: so good stuff. Thank you again to Mike Garafolo, who
Speaker 1: is always great on the show. And just a little
Speaker 1: tease a little later in the week with Colleen Wolf,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have some more trade fun. I'll leave it
Speaker 1: at that and you can probably figure it out, all right.
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