1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: The Fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, JP Shacker, John Ojan and NFL Network analyst 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Buckey Brooks bring you the latest on 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: George Jackson Hill Jack Wars. Everything's got to be about 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: the future, has got to be about tomorrow and bringing 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: all that into focus as we know attack the season. 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome in 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: to the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Tuesday. Wait a minute, yes, 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: it's Tuesday, April J P. Shadrick with NFL Network analyst 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, Jaguars dot Com Senior writer John Osan. Subscribe 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: to the Official Jaguars podcast network and give us a 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: listen on the podcast page at Jaguars dot com or 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: on I Heart Radio, Apples, Spotify, or wherever you get 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: your podcasts. It is Tuesday. We've shifted the schedule around 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. John for a drive time tomorrow on 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Wednesday with Brian Sexton in Las Vegas, and we're getting 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: ready for Thursday night and around one of the NFL drafts. 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: We move this podcast John to Tuesday. Happy Tuesday. It's 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: important to get Vegas Sexton on from uh you know, 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: or Brian Sexton on from Vegas, and uh you know, 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: it's it's a crazy week, so you just things accordingly. 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: Most importantly, though, we have Starbucks Bucky on on the podcast. 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: I think I think that I easily Trump's everything else 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: star Bucky. I mean, like, I'm glad I didn't even 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: know we could. We could uh solicitor or list and 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: paid sponsors. But yeah, like I like to have my 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: little um beverage before we come out there, Like we 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: can't miss it until we get a little a little 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: coin for there, like we can't give him free. And 30 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: he'll be rolling in here on Thursday. Right, that's right, 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: California East. That's right, California. Bucky is coming east. I'm 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: coming East. I won't have a lat in hand, but 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: I will have a yoga matt rolled up looking to 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: get a little, a little limber, little bindy on the beach. Baby, 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: we get ready for a big weekend. You know, that's 36 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: my favorite time of year. This is my favorite thing. 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: I get to do it in j Bil. This is 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: gonna be It's gonna be awesome with the number one 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: huge huge, I mean absolutely huge. So let's get into it, 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, Friday after the pre draft lunch and they 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: said they were down to four players under consideration for 42 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: number one overall. And now over the weekend, different reports 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes, reports come out that there's different names, 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: and every report seems to be a different name of 45 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: those four that we think are the top four candidates 46 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: they're considering. But Bucky, is this normal? I mean, should 47 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: people freak out? It seems like people are freaking out 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: over this right now. I think there's natural to have 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: a little freak out, but I think the draft class 50 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: makes it where it is one that you kind of 51 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: want to freak out about. If there was a clear 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: and unquestioned number one player in this draft class, a 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: guy that we would perceive to be a generation no talent, 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: then you wouldn't have the freak out ability. Normally, those 55 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: generational talents that we talked about kind of tend to 56 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: come in the form of a quarterback or a pass rusher, 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: something in that. Like in this year's draft, we have 58 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: what I call a bunch of very good players, but 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if we have that that that player 60 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: that we talked about changing the game, revolutionize in the 61 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: position when he steps into the league um and looking 62 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: at something that I did. In most instances, you have 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: anywhere from eighteen to twenty four guys that were raided 64 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: out as a first round pick. For me, I have 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: eighteen guys that rate out his first round picks, and 66 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: I would say eight of those guys kind of fall 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: into the category of the elite. And so when you 68 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: think about the elites being such a small number, it 69 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: makes it hard when you're trying to also figure out 70 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: value and need. For the Jaguars, the approach really centers 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: around the direction that they want to go before you 72 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: can think about the player. Do I want to continue 73 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: to build up the offensive line and put a fortress 74 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: in front of my generational talent and Trevor Lawrence? Or 75 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: do I want to find a way to help my defense, 76 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: because if we say the defense wins championships, we need 77 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: to start adding blue chip players on that side of 78 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: the ball. This conversation is compounded by the fact that 79 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: you have Cam Robinson who was under a franchise tag. 80 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: Are you going to sign him to a long term deal? 81 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: If you sign him to a long term deal, are 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: you wasting a number one pick if you take another 83 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. If you say yes, then you go to 84 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the pass rusher. Then which pass rusher is going to 85 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: give you the value that you want from a number 86 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: one pick? Because remember when we think about the number 87 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: one pick, in your mind, you want to envision this 88 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: guy being a gold jacket guy, right, the closest thing 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: that we have to it. Like Tony Biselli just is 90 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I 91 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: want to say he was too overall, but that is 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: the standard by which you should measure this pick. And 93 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: the guy that you hand the card in, in your 94 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: mind when he walks across that stage, is he someone 95 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: in fifteen to twenty years you envisioned him being called 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: to go to the hall. That's how the standards should be. 97 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: And so that's how you got to kind of base 98 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: it when you're looking at these guys and giving these grades. 99 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: But if you don't believe that that's up there, does 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: that change your thinking? And and just to clarify, I 101 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: think we all sort of think that the four are 102 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: uh Trayvon Walker, Georgia, Aidan Huddington Michigan, Ikey a Quanta 103 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: of North Carolina State, and Evan Neil of Alabama. We 104 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: never really said that yet, it feels that's the general 105 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: comp that's what you sort of think. And you know, 106 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: maybe Thibodeaus in the four maybe you know, but I 107 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: think it's those four if you look at it and 108 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: realistically don't see gold jacket guy. But does that change 109 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: how you think about this? Or am I getting too 110 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: far out there? No? So it goes from if you 111 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be a gold jack and guy, 112 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: is he a guy who can be a Pro Bowl performer? 113 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Can he be a top five player in this position 114 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: in a reasonable time frame and three or four years, 115 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: can we talk about player X being in the top 116 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: five of his position, being wildly celebrated as one of 117 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: the best players in the National Football League playing the 118 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: position that he plays. That's how we should be evaluated. 119 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Does he have the tools? Does he have the ability 120 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: to put up the kind of production that would warrant 121 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: him being in that conversation as a top five player 122 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: at that position? So wow, Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, 123 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: it's amazing in a way that the Jaguars, who I 124 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: think a lot of fans would say to the Jaggers 125 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: never get a break. Well, they got the ultimate break 126 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: last year when I got the number one pick with 127 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: maybe the has there been an easier pack? I mean, 128 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of the top five easiest picks 129 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: in the last twenty five years. Tory long Conn turn 130 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: that in in December, I mean, and absolute slammed. Maybe 131 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: luck was the same thing, Uh, Peyton, sure wasn't you 132 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: know a way back in the day, but a rushmore 133 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: of easy picks. Now, who knows how it turned out, 134 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: but to pick usself was easy. Two fast forward. It 135 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: maybe as hard as we've seen since I don't know, 136 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: jokel Fisher back in. I mean, but it's amazing that 137 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: it became this difficult. They've got this difficult this fast 138 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: because when I hear the arguments, you know, I I'll 139 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: be honest. We talked about it beforehand. Traymon Walker scares 140 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: me for a number of reasons, just because it feels 141 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: like workout guy is an element there. Uh, that's oversimplifying it, 142 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: but that's the thing that scares you. I like Hutchinson 143 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: because I feel like he's safe. You sort of feel 144 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: like Neil safe and you. But is a quantu safe 145 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: for you know? I guess I'll ask the scout if 146 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: you're picking, what's the guy? Who's the guy you if 147 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: you take the card to the table that you lose 148 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: the least sleep about until they put on pads on 149 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: the regular season opener, because that's that's the only time 150 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: you'll know. Yeah, that's don't saying you know so. So 151 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: typically when you you're at the top of the board, 152 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: and when we're talking about top five selections, So this 153 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: is whether the Jaguards are picking one or they're picking five, 154 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: like somewhere in the top five. Like what you're looking 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: for as a guy that is an all pro caliber talent, 156 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: And the way that you want to evaluate it is 157 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: you want to look at three different categories when you 158 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: just pop the tape. And this is for someone who's 159 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: not a scout. This is just casual looking. So do 160 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: you spot talent and so when I mean talent when 161 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: you're watching the tape, is there a wild factor to 162 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: the way this guy plays? Like it's simple scouting, Like 163 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: the first time you see him, within ten to fifteen plays, 164 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: you should be like wow, mm hmm, okay, I see 165 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: why they talk about them. The second part is then 166 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: you want to be able to look at the tools. 167 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: That is the size, the speed, the athleticism, the length. Um. 168 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: Does he have the prototypical tools that play at a 169 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: high level in this league. So if we think about 170 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: this player compared to the best players that we've seen 171 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: in his position over the last twenty years, how does 172 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: he measure up when it comes to the traits? So 173 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: does he have the tools? And in the final part 174 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: of it, which sometimes I believe is underrated, the production. Um. 175 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: Even though it's the draft and even though it's a projection, 176 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the only way to really understand how someone can play 177 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: at the next level is the production that they put 178 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: up in the past. And I know we talked about 179 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: past performance doesn't guarantee future results, but you have to 180 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: have a track record. Typically, the guys that were the 181 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: best guys and Little league and the best guys in 182 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: high school and the best guys in college, they continue 183 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: to be the best guys in the pros. That that's 184 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of what it is. And so do you have 185 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: a long track record of being able to see this 186 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: guy's performance where he was a dominant player. Yeah, you 187 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: have some rarities and some oddities. Like Josh Allen from 188 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, We're falling that category. But what we 189 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: want to do is when you're drafting, you want to 190 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: mitigate risks. So you want to eliminate all the other 191 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: stuff and then get down to it. So if you're 192 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: asking me which one would give me, UM the most 193 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: comfortable nights of sleep, I would say Aidan Hutchinson. Aidan 194 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: Hutchinson to me, Yeah, he's the one that checks off 195 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: the boxes. Right when I look at him on tape, 196 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: there's a wild factor because he dominated the level of 197 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: competition in the big tent. When I look at his tools, 198 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: people don't give him this And I think part of 199 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: this is because, like UM any evaluation process with scale, 200 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: sometimes we have a problem UM when we make comparisons 201 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: looking past racial lines to make comparisons. Right, So there's 202 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: certain words or co words that go with certain guys 203 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: that may look a certain way, come in certain packaging. 204 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: So for Hutchinson, all we hear in the evaluation try 205 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: hard effort technique or whatever. When when you look at 206 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: the numbers, he's one of the best athletes in this 207 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: draft class. His three cone in short shuttle times they 208 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: overwhelm some of the wide receivers that we're talking about 209 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: being elite players. We don't talk about him as an 210 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: elite athlete, but he's an elite athlete. So for me, 211 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: of all the ones who checked the box, he checks 212 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: his all the boxes while factor tools production, he had 213 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: fourteen sacks. To me, it's a slam duck. You take 214 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: him and then the football character checks out. He's outstanding. 215 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: So to me, it would be a no brainer that 216 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: he could be and should be the number one over 217 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: a pick. If Hutchinson had had to fourteen sacks seasons 218 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: rather than one, would there be any question? I mean, 219 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, I mean like it's it seems like people 220 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: are just nitpicking the guy. I I keep going back 221 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: to J. J. Watt and they had a double digit 222 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: sax season college. You know, So anyway, I interrupted your answer, Bucky, 223 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: what do you think another thing? Bucket's like, double digit 224 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: sacks seasons in college are not They don't grow on trees. 225 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: It's not like every guy can go do those like 226 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: those don't happen all the time right right now. In 227 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: a perfect world, you would ask me, John, the guys 228 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: who who've done it for a long time and had 229 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: tremendous success. So Von Miller, Von Miller coming out of 230 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: college man, I've had thirty four sacks, multiple seasons of 231 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: double digits. Like you can see, like when the resume 232 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: is real solid, you feel great about it. Toorell Suggs 233 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: when he came out of Arizona State was the all 234 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: time sack leader at the collegiate level. Easy to make that. 235 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: And I actually learned from the guys that were there before, 236 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: Shack Harris and all those guys. They say sack production 237 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: is the one set that translates into the National Football League. 238 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: Now to your point, in this class, there's no one 239 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: who has sustained sack production over multiple years. So all 240 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: of these guys are kind of one year wonders when 241 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: it comes to looking at their sack numbers. Adan Hudson 242 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: had a great final season in Michigan season before where 243 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: he was hurt. He saw flashes his early season, so 244 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: you didn't really get it. Um we think about on 245 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: tip of though it was all sub ten sax seasons, 246 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It wasn't the stats stuffer resume that 247 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: you wanted. And so all of these guys can kind 248 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: of be categoried as one year wonders. Even when we 249 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: go to the office side of the ball, whether whether 250 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: it's Ikey Kwanu or Evan Neil. I can pop the 251 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: tape on Ikey Kwanna watching North Carolina, he gives up 252 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: two sacks against the guy that I don't know if 253 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a Sunday player. But you look at 254 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: the traits, all that stuff stands out Evan Neil. Evan 255 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: Neil doesn't get people excited because he's kind of steady Eddie. 256 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: But there's some little things that kind of show up. 257 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: And so for all of these guys, there's some things. 258 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: But when we go through just that thing, talent tools production, 259 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: to me, Adan Hutchinson rates out above the rest of 260 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: the players in consideration. Sell me on trade line tra 261 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: everyone walking. The big sale would be what he could be. 262 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: Meaning athleteis m um size, his ability to change direction, 263 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: the explosiveness. He is a mulible ball of clay. Depending 264 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: on how much you um value your D line coach, 265 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: um your D line coach has the ability to develop 266 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: and get people to play at a higher level. Is 267 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: a teacher, then you feel good about what he could 268 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: be at the next level. By all accounts of Princon, 269 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: Bucklin is a great teacher. Done it has a track 270 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: record of having success with the guys that he's worked with, 271 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: But there's no certainty with Trayvon Walker because you haven't 272 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: seen him do it. He has six sacks his final season. 273 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: I think he entered the NFL with nine total sacks. 274 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: And so when you think about someone being the number 275 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: one overall pick, if you're drafting him to be a 276 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: pass rusher, that's one thing because you don't necessarily have 277 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: that track record. Now, he could turn out to be 278 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: a Davian Clowney type. J. Davian Clowney was drafted number 279 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: one overall. He's never necessarily had double digit sacks, but 280 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: he's been a dominant run defender. And there's value to 281 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: being able to stop to run and make explosive plays 282 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: and negative plays and create disruption early down especially do that. 283 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: And I think out of this class, now that you 284 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: said that it makes out of this class, I mean, 285 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: I think Clowney overall, most NFL fans, most NFL people 286 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: would say probably hasn't quite lived up to number one overall. Uh. 287 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: But at the same time, peopleho know football will tell 288 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: you not been a bad player at all. And and 289 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: what Bucky said, a good player on defenses and can 290 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: help you. And he was banged up earlier in this 291 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: career a lot out of this draft considering this situation, 292 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: meaning you don't feel like there's a gold jacket guy 293 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: in that type of or you're not sure there is. 294 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: I if Walker had Clowney's career, and I'm not sure 295 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: how long has been since, Uh Clowney came out ten 296 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: years ish saying that rang in a decade. If Walker 297 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: had clowneyes career, would you feel good about that as 298 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: a number one overall pick? I think you can live 299 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: with it. Well, I mean, here's the way to think 300 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: about it. When was the last time the Jaguars had 301 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: a draft pick that lasted ten years on the team. Yeah, 302 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: so you get the yeah mester or something like that, Mercedes. 303 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: So let's look at Jadevian Clowney and game in ten 304 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: maybe he has I think eight years. He has forty 305 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: one career sacks. Um, he's been a three time Pro bowler. Uh. 306 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: He has played at a level where we have how 307 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: many hits on the quarterback? A hundred and five hits 308 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: on the quarterback, which that's a pretty good number. You know, 309 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: most of those years he's been above nineteen almost twenty 310 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: when he's when he's played, so he's getting to the 311 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: quarterback and creating some level of this eruption. Uh tackles 312 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: for loss, which falls in that category. He has eighty 313 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: six tackles for loss in his career. So when we 314 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: think about the way the game is played, the game 315 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: is played about creating negative plays and splash plays. So 316 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: the sack production isn't necessarily there, but those eighty six TFLs, 317 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: that's significant because it creates long yarded situations and put 318 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: your team and pass rush mode on those third and 319 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: critical downs. Yeah, you can live. You can live with that. 320 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: The many things that you're not Yeah, what you're trying 321 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: to do at the top of the board, Um, because 322 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: we were down there in TPC Saw Grass Company. We 323 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: just want to put in the fairway, Like we just 324 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: don't need to hit it in the water. We just 325 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: want to put it in the fairway so we have 326 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: an opportunity to score. And so you just want a 327 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: good player, a player that's gonna come in and be 328 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: a key starter in a viable contributor. I can give 329 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: you those high standards of what you really want, but 330 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: if the player plays at a high level where he 331 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: gets All Star consideration. To me, that's a win and 332 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: for us the way that we look at drafting of 333 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: late haven't been a lot of wins, so we just 334 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: want to get a win. We want to get players 335 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: that can be there for their second contract to be 336 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: the nucleus of a team that eventually competes at a 337 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: championship level. Yeah, I mean, William, I mean it was 338 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: the last time the Jacks had a three time Pro bowler. 339 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: Been a minute? Been a minute? Yea. The Jaguars are 340 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: future focused and ready for a new look in to 341 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: join us at the bank this season is Doug Peterson 342 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence. Leave the charge and lock in your 343 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: seats at Jaguars dot com, slash tickets or called nine 344 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: O four six three three two thou. We'll preview our 345 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: coverage of the NFL Draft after this. Welcome back to 346 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast. J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Oser. 347 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: The Jags host the Do Bold Draft Party presented by 348 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: Baptist Health. It's this Thursday, starting six o'clock at Daily's Place, 349 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: Live draft analysis, on stage appearances, head coached Peterson, So 350 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: like Jaguars players, Buck Brooks will be there and then 351 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: stick around for the draft our live analysis on Jaguars 352 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: dot Com after the Jaguars first round pick. Bucky will 353 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: be there as well. Bucky's everywhere this weekend registered Jaguars 354 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: dot Com slash official Draft Party. They may have to 355 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: clone Bucky. I saw his schedule and it's yeah, it's 356 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: analytics on clone. You're gonna get your miles in, bring 357 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: a predometer. It's it's a lot. So um, John, you 358 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: brought up something and it made Dick so Mario Williams. 359 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: So let's use Mario Williams as as the example because 360 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: I think it made me think. So Mario Williams. When 361 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: he came out of NC State number one over number 362 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: one overall pick, he finished his career state with twenty 363 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: five and a half sacks. His final season he had 364 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: fourteen and a half sacks, like just and he had 365 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: fifty five tackles were lost and those things. So then 366 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: he goes to the pros and you know, it's funny 367 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: because people talk about him like he really didn't do anything. 368 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: But then I look up he was a four time 369 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: pro bowler. Yeah, he finished with ninety seven and a 370 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: half sacks. Better he had five seasons with double digit 371 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: sex fourteen, twelve, ten and a half, thirteen, fourteen and 372 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: a half, And so when we talk about him, he 373 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: does fly in the rater. Hit a hundred and twenty 374 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: one tackles were lost. That is a perfect example of 375 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: one that doesn't sound like a home run. But man, 376 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: I think everyone would sign up for that kind of 377 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: production from a guy on the edge. Yeah, that feels 378 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: like Hutchinson to me, like the forty second most sacks 379 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: of all time. I mean, seriously, I'm looking at it 380 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: like obviously Bruce Smith is number one and also shows 381 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: you the cruelty they can go along with being number 382 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: one overall. If he'd been numbered two over are all, 383 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: he's probably perceived his entire career is a really good play. 384 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: But because he was taken over Reggie Bush and Big 385 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: Young and it was a lot of controversy when he 386 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: came into the league, and he was probably a better 387 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: overall player than there's two guys in the league. Yes, 388 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: I think about all that counts, he was a better player. 389 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Ninety seven and a half sacks, that's big time production. 390 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: Who else was taking an O four around him? Uh? 391 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: You know, I think and I know that was the 392 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: Reggie Bush them, because those were the two, those were 393 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: the two big ones. It was Reggie was Reggie Bush. 394 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: It was uh the man line a draft. Um gee, 395 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: let's look it. I gotta pull this up. Yeah. Marie 396 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: Williams m hmm. Well it wasn't the old four draft 397 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: because that was Eli oh five live researchers six and 398 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: oh six, wowkay oh six, Mario one, Reggie Bush two 399 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: to the Saints, Vince Young to the Titans, the Brickishaw 400 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: Ferguson the tackle from Virginia to the Jets, a j 401 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: Hawk to the Packers, the linebacker Bernon Davis, Michael Hough, 402 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: Dante Whitner. So he's probably the right choice. I mean, 403 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: you look at you're looking at all these guys, Caaron Windley, um, 404 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis for the Jacksrcedies could have gone number one overall. Yeah, 405 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: we I mean, we look at it, Tomba Ali. That 406 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: was just the point. The point is, at that position, 407 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: you may not necessarily be getting a dead solid lock 408 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Bruce Smith walking the Hall player, but if you get 409 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: that level of production out of one of these guys, 410 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: then that's okay too. And that's probably more of a 411 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: comp then Myles Garrett out of this class. So anyway, 412 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: thanks to some dead air we got to that point. 413 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: That's okay, Well we can edit that up. It's a podcast. Hey, 414 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: So coming up this week, we've got plenty of coverage 415 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: leading into the NFL Draft Wednesday, drive time, eleven o'clock 416 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: John Tomorrow on Jaguars dot Com. Yeah, we'll have Brian 417 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 1: Sexton from Las Vegas on the air, and uh, if 418 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: you can get him off the craps table, well it's fair, 419 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: that's fair. It's a problem at some point, but uh yeah, 420 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: so they'll be that and then we'll be uh swinging 421 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: away for a double on Draft night. Yeah, we got 422 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: And then Thursday we got a Happy Hour at four o'clock, 423 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: our normal hour live radio show, and Trent Bark is 424 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna join in and I'll tell you to pick right. 425 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: That's exactly what will happen, right, um. And then the 426 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: Draft Special on television from seven thirty to eight, not 427 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: on television, excuse me, Jaguars dot com. And then the 428 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: Draft Radio special from seven to midnight on Tin to 429 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: excel um and then we'll be live after the pick, 430 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: immediate reaction and We'll be at the draft party on 431 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: Thursday night. That's a long night. And then of course Friday, 432 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: whoever the pick or picks are come in for their 433 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: press conference on Friday, either Friday or Saturday. Could be 434 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: Saturday this year, because if they're in Vegas, trying to 435 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: get back here from Vegas on Friday and time it 436 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: is difficult. So I'm told that press comment is spending 437 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: on player, just that people know what to expect depending 438 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: on the player and where they are Draft night, that 439 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: press or the introductory press or that it's always fun, 440 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: it's always a big event. Will either be Friday or 441 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: early Saturday morning. We'll figure that out of course, after 442 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: the wrap up each night. We'll have the wrap up 443 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: podcast at the end of each draft day on the 444 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: official Jaguars Podcast networking Jaguars dot com. Hey, Bucky, what 445 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: do you have left on NFL Network to get done? 446 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: Where is the hey in the barn? Here the hey 447 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: he's pretty much in the barn on my last my 448 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: draft um there with the drag Buars picking um number 449 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: one overall. So you're not gonna say who you want 450 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: me to say? No, I mean, it's up to you. 451 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: That's a nice teaser. I get it. When is it? 452 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: When is it drop? When does it drop? I wish 453 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: you could be Jamison with you too. Man I went, 454 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: I went, I went to conservative, and I went to 455 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: route that John and I talked about way way way 456 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: back at the combine where they took an offensive tackle. 457 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: But the offensive tackle I picked was Ikey Kwanu. And 458 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: the reason why is because when you listen to Doug 459 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: a couple of times, Coach Peterson has talked about a man, 460 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: the thing that you can't do is you can't miss 461 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: on this pick and that number one guy has to 462 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: be a starter. And there are more ways to ensure 463 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman to start and be functional than a 464 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: pass rusher. And so when you think about Ikey Kwana 465 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: in the current construction of the offensive line, day one, 466 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: you can put him in left guard. You can put 467 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: him in left guard. He can play beside Cam Robinson, 468 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: you can go play you Gott Brandon shut on the 469 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: right side. Whoever you want to start at right tackle, 470 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: whether it's table, whether it's walking a little, you feel good. 471 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: You have a center and now one thing you can be. 472 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: You can be pretty bad up front in terms of 473 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: being able to like badass up front in terms of 474 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: being able to move people off the ball, and then 475 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: depending on what you do with Cam Robinson. If Cam 476 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: Robinson is signed to an extension, then maybe if he 477 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: eventually moves over to right tackle, but either way you 478 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: have options. I just think you have to go back 479 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: and look at the coaches d n A when they 480 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. They had the best offensive line 481 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: in football. They had Lane Johnson on one side, they 482 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: had Jason Peter on the other side, they had Jason 483 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: Kelsey at center, and they were able to do whatever 484 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: they wanted to do running and passing because they can 485 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: control the trenches. And you can't tell me when you 486 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: have a talent like you having Trevor Lawrence, that you 487 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: don't want to continue to upgrade to look at all 488 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: the people that have come in to help him in 489 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 1: the passing game will continue to do that by building 490 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: a fortress in front of him. Now you can go play. 491 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: So instead of thinking about building the team up in 492 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: a balance aspect, be great on one side of the ball, 493 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 1: and the easiest way to get great is at all 494 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: your resources to upgrading the offense so at least you 495 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: can score points and maybe that gets you to a 496 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: competitive level, and then you can attack the defense the 497 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: next year. You know what we might be doing around 498 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: here on Thursday, JP suf oh John, Well, if you 499 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: listen to the Bucky right there makes sense. It might 500 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: be the Bucky and Nicky Sha. It makes sense. I've 501 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: watched even though he went to that, even though he 502 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: went to that other school. I'll forgive him. He he 503 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: comes in and plays at a high level, I'll let 504 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: him earn let him earn off some of those de 505 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: marrius that he got for electing to go to North 506 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: Carolina States. Grown up in Raleigh, Were you an NC 507 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: State fan or a Chapel Hill fan? Absolutely not. There's 508 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: nothing about NC State that appealed to me. Ever, I've 509 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: been Atario through and through nothing even before you went 510 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: from from from birth grew up. There's nothing about that 511 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,239 Speaker 1: little school, at least I can refer to it by name. 512 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: I don't have that the school up north or whatever 513 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: some other schools. The duke not let you in Buck. 514 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: Is that what happened? I've been taught. I've been taught 515 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: that you should never say no comment. But I don't 516 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: have a lot of commentary on that one. Dear, John, Hello, 517 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: I love it. That'll do it for our podcast today. Bucky, 518 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: we're looking forward to seeing you down here in Jacksonville. 519 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: Stay caffeinated and we'll see you a couple of days. Absolutely. Man, 520 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: you guys have fun. That's Bucky Brooks John Osier for 521 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: Joe Fortunado. I'm J. P. Shadrick. Thank you for listening 522 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: to the Huddle Up Podcast.